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C.B. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:23:39 GMT

It's time to come take a looksie. hillaryclinton.com

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Peter T. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:26:26 GMT

When was the last time Obama had a drug test, for "cocaine" ?

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mikeeg,abdn,wa — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:38:09 GMT

when was the last time bush had a drug test for cocaine? when was the last time bush had an intellegence test?

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:43:40 GMT

Huckabee would be a disaster for the GOP if nominated and a bigger disaster for the nation if somehow elected, but I've seen the Romney ads and they're just ugly. Mitt is clearly willing to do whatever it takes, no matter how distatesful to win. Of course that was obvious last Summer when he spent massively on the Ames straw poll.

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Original Bob, Middletown, CT — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:45:12 GMT

Come on Peter T that's spin garbage coming from pure candidate specific bias. Unless, you are part of one of those strategy groups, you need to get a life.

On the issue of all of those polls. STOP! They are really becoming meaningless? I know people in New Hampshire and though they put up with the primary crazyness once every four years, but some of them are unplugging their phones just to stop the ongoing interruption in their lives. I'm in a February 5 state, and working on a campaign (won't say who) and I'm getting calls already to help in N.H., to register as a democrat, to register as a republican, etc. etc.
ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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Sue Kelly, Manchester, New Hampshire — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:48:31 GMT

Is MSNBC going to ignore the story about John Edwards mistress being pregnant? Its all over the blogosphere and its not like this site hasn't treaded into rumor before.

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Ron, TX — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:56:54 GMT

Polls schmolls. I can't wait to see what the real polls say that matter!

That Howie Kurtz Clinton-lip-service piece is so biased its funny. I almost thought it was satirical at first...

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vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:57:15 GMT

Daily First Read Truth-Pak-

Trust no one...
The following sites devote as much time and space to Denis Kucinich and Joe Biden as they do to the big three. Whether you are a dem or republican, liberal, moderate or conservative, your candidate is represented equally at these sites. Forget about Big Media and the MSM, create your own narrative.

We don't need anyone to spoon-feed information to us about the candidates or the election, it's right there for everyone if you know where to go. Campaign money, donors expenses, go here

http://www.opensecrets.org/ Opensecrets.org is "Your guide to money in U.S elections."

Just about every poll from every pollster, averaged out, with a link to the source
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Is THE source for political junkies, with links to every major political site on the right, left and center.

What the candidates actually have said about the issues.
http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm This is a Great site! Every candidate on every issue!

How the candidates have voted and their LIberal/Conservative ratings
http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/sen/lib.htm?o1=lib_composite&o2=asc#vr Has the voting records for all members of congress, and their Liberal/Conservative ratings.

http://votesmart.org/index.htm Here's what they say at the site;
Thousands of candidates and elected officials. Who works for you? Who is seeking your vote? Project Vote Smart, a citizen's organization, has developed a Voter's Self-Defense System to provide you with the necessary tools to self-govern effectively: abundant, accurate, unbiased and relevant information. As a national library of factual information, Project Vote Smart covers your candidates and elected officials in five basic categories: biographical information, issue positions, voting records, campaign finances and interest group ratings.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:57:49 GMT

The Iowa polling is again conclusively inconclusive...
How on earth do you poll a caucus where only about 6- 15% of the eligible voters actually show up in a process that is public and absolutely the opposite of voting as we think of it? While I am sure that the race is close, I have come to the conclusion that Iowa defies traditional polling models as to render them useless; And I am, in the opinion of many pro and con, the poll guy here.
When I read that;

"The big challenge for polling this contest, of course, is that turnout for the Democratic caucuses is typically a small percentage of eligible voters. Iowa had roughly 2.2 million voting eligible adults in 2004, of whom (as of last month) approximately 1.9 million are considered "active" registered voters by the Iowa Secretary of State. But only 124,331 participated in the 2004 Democratic Caucuses for President (according to the subscription only Hotline). That number amounts to roughly 6% of all registered voters, so selecting "likely caucus goers" is no easy task."

SIX PERCENT? SIX PERCENT! All of this time and money, all of this media madness, and SIX PERCENT of the Iowa electorate will be providing a springboard and momentum for the potential next C&C?
Why the hell doesn't anyone write about this?

Van

http://www.mysterypollster.com/main/2006/06/the_first_iowa_.html

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MK,MO — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:59:31 GMT

when any poll shows edwards doing well, 'the polls can't be trusted' and the corrupt political machine continues rumbling along, edwards still gets my vote, sorry

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Dot, Illinois — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:59:37 GMT

"Has the press been nicer to Obama than Clinton?"
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That is difficult to say--some of the stories that were not flattering to Senator Clinton were the results of mess-ups by her staff, so that can't be held against the press. I think First Read has done a good job of not being "pro" one side or the other. Sometimes when FR stacks stories about one candidate one after another without interspersing them with stories about other candidates, it may look like they favor one over the others, but in reality, I don't think that is the case. I'm sure that candidate accessibility plays a major part in what stories are posted. Or, perhaps some reporters are more selective about what is newsworthy about the candidates.

The Tim Russert thing though, to me, showed some anti-Clinton bias. Russert seemed almost geeful when he used President Clinton's statement against Senator Clinton. One could almost here him say Gottcha." I do get a sense that the media as a whole LIKES Senator Obama better than Senator Clinton.

If we were to expand that question and ask if press coverage has been fair to ALL the candidates, I think I would have to say no. The lower tier candidates have not received adequate coverage from any of the media.

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Grace — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:59:40 GMT

BTW guys you know that you are reading the IA poll incorrectly. Poll avergers are using the "Highly Likely" number which has obama and edwards virtually tied with clinton in third. Dxon't believe me check for yourself. The only people using the likely number are people who won't to show Obama in third. How about a little journalistic honesty:

Democrats
Obama 26.6
Edwards 26.0
Clinton 23.8
Other candidates 14.0
Undecided 9.5

http://www.time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/

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David Anders Pharr, Tx. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:00:12 GMT

John B WHERE IS YOUR MIND HUCKABEE WILL BE THE NOMINEE AND WILL WIN LIKE REGAN DEMOCRATS ONLY HAVE 1 CANDIDATE WHO COULD WIN BUT WONT GET NOMINATION, PEOPLE WONT VOTE FOR A WOMAN THAT STOLE THE WHITEHOUSE FURNITURE, TOOK DRUG MONEY FROM BILLS PARDONS ECT. THEY WONT VOTE FOR A MUSLIM WHICH IS WHAT CLINTON BACKERS ARE CALLING OBAMA, NOR ANYONE SPENDING 400 DOLLARS FOR A HAIRCUT EDWARDS. THIS ELECTION IS OVER LIKE IT OR NOT, HUCK IS THE MAN.

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Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:00:15 GMT

Unnamed sources claim the GOP contenders will temporarily put their differences aside for the sake of the Party, and appear in a Group Nativity Scene.

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Ron, TX — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:03:12 GMT

"Well, the first thing she intends to do, because you can do this without passing a bill, the first thing she intends to do is to send me and former President Bush and a number of other people around the world to tell them that America is open for business and cooperation again," Clinton said in response to a question from a supporter about what his wife's "number one priority" would be as president.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/18/bill-clinton-george-hw-bush-will-help-president-hillary/
Former President George H.W. Bush has shot down his successor Bill Clinton’s idea of a diplomatic mission under a Hillary Clinton presidency that would send him and other notables abroad to assure other nations that “America is open for business and cooperation again.”
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/18/elder-bush-nixes-clinton-trip-idea/

So basically, Hillary isn't even in the White House yet, and she ALREADY FAILED to accomplish not only the -first thing- she plans to do, but also her number one priority...

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Nashville_fan — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:03:43 GMT

I think all of these polls mean that it is too close to call - can't wait for January 3rd! May the best man (or woman) win - I'm tired of arguing the same points over and over again - bring on the voting! :)

The only thing that will make me happier than Senator Obama doing well is for it all to be OVAH! lol

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Peter T. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:03:57 GMT

What is the book title name, where Obama talks about his past drug use of "cocaine" ?

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:05:31 GMT

Sue Kelly, if you're going to spread smears how about providing enough information to at least judge whether there is any chance of truth? Otherwise forgive us if we just assume them to be lies, the proper response to any unsubstantiated smear.

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PulSamsara — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:05:57 GMT

Barack Obama for President of the United States of America.

Say no to nepotism.
Say no to triangulated Iraq vote disasters.
Say no to mud-sling machine politics.

It's time for America to Rise and Shine again.

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:07:48 GMT

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Kate, Waterloo IA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:10:18 GMT

I can't wait to caucus for Obama on Jan 3. Edwards will likely be my second choice.

BARACK THE VOTE!!!!

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ace p washington, d.c — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:10:54 GMT

i don't think anyone can trust the polls. their are those candidates that have strong frienships with media moguls. rupert murdoch owns cnn. you can check who is a close friend of his. like wise there are papers that have an agenda to see obama win. the same with edwards, giuliani and more. it is becoming the time that we have to wait and see.

we also have to remember that if media outlets don't keep interest and spin going they don't sell as many papers. they have their motivation as well.

in some states i would suggest that voting maybe suspect. not talking about iowa, n.h. or s.c.

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Phil R. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:14:06 GMT

[Unnamed sources claim the GOP contenders will temporarily put their differences aside for the sake of the Party, and appear in a Group Nativity Scene.]

The Democrats will try to follow suit, but the whole thing will fall apart for the lack of any wisemen.

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Yolanda — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:16:45 GMT

I can't wait to caucus for Obama on Jan 3. Edwards will likely be my second choice.

BARACK THE VOTE!!!!

Kate, Waterloo IA (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:10 AM)

Thanks Kate, Be sure to take ALL of your friends and family along!!! Make a difference, Barack the vote!!

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Bee, NH — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:17:30 GMT

The polls cannot be trusted at this point in time because they are so volatile. Too many polls coming out every 2 days; this is ridiculous...

I am going to stick with who has the best organization on the ground. I know Clinton will be in for a shocker in NH. The independent will decide who win NH and not the democrats.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:18:56 GMT

That Howie Kurtz Clinton-lip-service piece is so biased its funny. I almost thought it was satirical at first...

Ron, TX (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:56 AM)

That's because unless something is biased against Clinton, it's unfair to you.

Did you have the same reaction to this study that CONFIRMED the media bias that your own bias prevents you from even acknowledging?

http://www.journalism.org./node/8187

Most observers without your bias and a Paul Bunyan sized ax to grind see the Kurtz's (Kurtz is a media critic and host of Reliable Sources on CNN) article as
an analysis of media coverage of the campaign.

As you claim the article is biased, please point out the inaccuracies in the article that led you to that considered conclusion. As you claim that you thought at first that the article was satire, expand on the reason(s) why you felt that way.

Van

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nuanced — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:19:51 GMT

Thanks for the report on Howie Kurtz's biases. I know he is biased but it is not for or against any Democratic candidate but for conservatives. When he pumps up or down a democratic candidate it is more to make mischief for the benefit of the Republicans.

A recent Media Matters column about Howie Kurtz says
"more and more prominent players on the left no longer consider Kurtz to be an honest broker -- because he remains chronically oblivious to breaking stories that have a strong progressive media angle. Yet simultaneously, Kurtz shows a chronic over-eagerness to amplify any minor media story being advanced by conservatives."

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Bee — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:21:51 GMT

I realized Hillary's blogger are attacking Obama because of upcoming Ted Kennedy endorsement. This party is dead if Hillary becomes your nominee.

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Anonymous — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:23:44 GMT

He talks about it in both books but discusses it more in Dreams from My Father: A story of Race and Inheritance

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:24:19 GMT

he timing of the Huffington Post’s unearthing of Obama's Ted Kennedy criticism is intriguing. Is Kennedy's endorsement of one of the Big Three imminent?

Depends on who gives him the most whiskey.....

While it’s pretty obvious that Clinton, her husband, and her campaign have received much more scrutiny in the past couple of months after the Philadelphia debate.....

Duh???????
The Clinton's receive the most press because they are the most corrupt of all of them.....

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RAH — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:24:43 GMT

LOL... Ron,TX. How true!

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Pat Huntington Station NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:28:18 GMT

I like a lot of the things Edwards has to say, but what has this guy done to deserve to be president? I can say I believe in what he says, but am I qualified to be president? No. Edwards was a one term Senator with no landmark legislation he can cite to. He didn't event get re-elected nor could he carry his own home state when he was running as Kerry's running mate in 2004. Nor did he bring in any southern states as was hoped by naming him on the ticket. So again, would the Edwards supporters please make the case for him with concrete examples of what he's done to make me enthusiastic about him should he be our party's nominee. It's no real secret I'm supporting Hillary as of now.

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:29:20 GMT

Bad news for Hillary in California !!
Her lead is rapidly shrinking

From the SF Chronicle:

'...Clinton's lead over Obama shrinks in new state poll
Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer

Wednesday, December 19, 2007

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's robust 25-point lead over Sen. Barack Obama in California has shrunk by nearly half since October - but state Democratic voters by a 3-1 ratio still believe the New York senator has the best chance of winning the presidency, a new Field Poll shows.

With just seven weeks until the state's Feb. 5 presidential primary, the latest statewide poll shows that Clinton leads by 36 percent to 22 percent and that one in 5 Democrats is undecided - a number that has nearly doubled since early last year.

Among the poll's key findings:

Both Clinton and Obama enjoy high favorable ratings among Democrats, but Clinton leads 2-1 among women and Latinos while Obama has a far more positive image among independent and African American voters.

"There's no significant surge for Obama, it's just greater hesitancy amongst those who were formerly supporting Clinton," said Field Poll director Mark DiCamillo. But California Democrats are "not really moving to any one candidate, mainly going into the undecided column." ...'

Californians are turning off to Hillary Clinton
The 'inevitable' scam is over
What about cross over support ?
Which Democratic candidate can pull in Republicans and Independents ?

'...Obama gets more crossover support from Republicans - 47 percent say they would consider supporting him, versus just 20 percent who would support Clinton.

That suggests that in the general election, "Obama might stand a better chance," said DiCamillo. But he cautioned that "Republicans in this state generally get behind the Republican nominee" and that expressed support "might not hold" in a general election....'

Republicans would consider Obama over Clinton by over 2 to 1 !
That's HUGE !
California is dominated by independents

'...Obama has a far more positive image among independent and African American voters...'

Hillary's support is continuing to shrivel
What if she LOSES IN IOWA ?

'...While former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards' support has remained stable in California, there is speculation about how Democratic voters in California would be swayed if he doesn't do well in the first crucial states of Iowa and New Hampshire. Second choice preferences among his supporters show Edwards' voters "would be more inclined to support Obama than Clinton, which could make the race in California closer," the survey shows....'

Surprise !!
Edwards supporters are more inclined to support Obama
Obama's supporters are probably more inclined to support Edwards, too !!

Looks grim for Hillary in California
She's SHRINKING !!

Hillary Clinton is like Paris Hilton
She's famous for being famous (or infamous)
At least Brittney Spears puts out albusm...

Obama/Edwards
Honesty, Integrity, Reform

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Pacheck, Huntington Beach, Ca. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:31:21 GMT

Polls? They mean less than nothing. At best they were made for people who are unable to read or think for them selves. I personally know a whole lot of people who know a whole lot of people and no one I have ever posed the question. Has any one ever been polled or know anyone who has been polled? responded that they had. If it don't make instant sense it is probably a ripoff. People are like that. Think and decide for your self.

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Sue Kelly, Manchester, NH — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:31:45 GMT

John,
I hope the story is not true, but remember the Enquirer got the Gennifer Flowers story right, the Bill Cosby love-child right, etc. Also, Roger Altman, a Clinton crony, is an owner of the Enquirer. Would Altman want to damage the democratic party just to help Clinton? Does he want to get sued for millions?

These are facts. The alleged mistress was paid over $100k for "campaign videos" that no one has seen and then she disappeared. Isn't it a little coincidental that she is now pregnant?

This is terribly unfair to Edwards if its false, but unfair to voters if its true and Edwards lied about it.

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Steve, Hartford, CT — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:32:33 GMT

Meanwhile, over at the GOP nativity scene, everyone will be fighting over the gold.

Van: Six percent, huh? Atrocious. I really hope they do significantly better than that this year. America needs to start caring again. Anyway, polls are worthless, it's anyone's race, can't wait for 1/3/08.

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nuanced — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:35:01 GMT

[Unnamed sources claim the GOP contenders will temporarily put their differences aside for the sake of the Party, and appear in a Group Nativity Scene.]
Phil R

-- They will arrest the wise men for illegally crossing the border, close the homeless shelter, dock the shepards pay for leaving their jobsite, send Joseph to the war in Mesopotamia, lecture Mary on the evils of adultery, and call the angel gay.

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diane — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:35:20 GMT

Thank you for pointing out that the others received alot of negative press for months while Clinton got the coronation treatment.
Alot of the bad press Clinton has gotten recently is her own fault for the boneheaded moves made by her and her surrogates and the slime attacks they indulged in.
The Obama video is so cute. His girls are just so adorable.

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Pat, Huntington, NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:35:47 GMT

I'm sheeding the nonsense of some of my prior posts here, so I'm getting real here with my fellow Democratic posters.

On our side, the top three candidates are either current US Senators or Former Senators, with no executive experience. On the other side, the top three candidates are 2 former governors and a former mayor of the biggest city in our country with an economy that rivals most other countries. Regardless of who the Dem nominee is, it's going to be very difficult for us to make the case for him or her if its either Edwards, Obama, or Clinton when compared to either Romney, Huckabee, or Guiliani. Of course we can say a lot of bad stuff about the republicans [flip flopper, tax hiker, and bush clone, respectively - of course this list is by no means exhaustive]. But, you can't win an election by just bad mouthing the other side.

Oh, and what about Florida! The wedge issue of gay marriage is once again being resurrected for 2008 as a referendum to amend that state's constitution to ban gay marriage will be on the 2008 ballot in November, obviously, a Rove-type tactic to galvanize the evangelicals of that state once again.

So, 2008 is not in the bag for the Dems. We've got lots of work ahead of us. So, the inner fighting and nasty comments between those supporting differnt candidates is only going to hurt us, not help.

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Michael, Los Angeles CA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:40:00 GMT

BIAS ALERT -

I am glad the boys on FIRST READ wrote this section, because I also felt the same way. And I really like that they use Huck as an example because I actually agree that Huck has come under more view because of his front runner status -

BUT isn't the media everyday saying that Obama is now the front runner - but is the media looking at him in the same fashion as HUCK? I don't think so...

I think my main opinion is that the media is really not touching on the experiance issue with Obama (Perhaps they are waiting until the general when it will be the major theme of any republican nominee should Obama get the nod...)

But yes the media loves to hate the clintons - and that has been the case for awhile but again (and the reason why I am voting for her) - They still win! And in 2008 (after 2000 and 2004) THE DEMS NEED A WINNER!!!

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:42:58 GMT

Ron, TX : '...So basically, Hillary isn't even in the White House yet, and she ALREADY FAILED to accomplish not only the -first thing- she plans to do, but also her number one priority...'

ron, that was just a publicity stunt by the Clintons to get on the news
Notice how yesterday, First Read had 4 stories in a row about the Clintons ?
About NOTHING !
First Read is doing its' part to puff the Clintons...

Peter T.: '...When was the last time Obama had a drug test, for "cocaine" ?...'

Van, why don't you have the guts to post this under YOUR OWN NAME ?
If you're gonna smear Obama, do it under you own name

Sue Kelly, Manchester, New Hampshire: '...Is MSNBC going to ignore the story about John Edwards... '

van, that's you, too
Post this crap under your OWN NAME !!
What happened to Susan, Miami and Tofun,Disney ?

The Clinton camp is posting this racist crap and garbage !!
What a sweet heart she is ....

Hillary Clinton, cold, calculating, dishonest, unethical, divisive

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Michael, Los Angeles CA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:45:00 GMT

Is Sarah and Bee the same person?

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:45:37 GMT

Ted Kennedy is a good man
He's a real Democrat
But, his endorsement will only have an impact BEFORE Iowa
After Iowa, it doesn't matter that much

John Kerry, who cares ?

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Real Poll — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:48:01 GMT

Breaking News

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_hampshire/election_2008_new_hampshire_democratic_primary

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James G., Oak Park, MI — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:48:04 GMT

So, 2008 is not in the bag for the Dems. We've got lots of work ahead of us. So, the inner fighting and nasty comments between those supporting differnt candidates is only going to hurt us, not help.
Pat, Huntington, NY (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:35 AM)

True. Also, remember Ohio in 2004. They still haven't fixed the voting machines. I heard yesterday on Sirius Left about voting machine problems out West. Why haven't these issues been given greater coverage?

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Eric — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:48:56 GMT

www.barackobama.com

Barack the vote!!! Barack the vote!!! Barack the vote!!! Barack the vote!!! Barack the vote!!!Barack the vote!!!

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David Anders Pharr, Tx. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:51:53 GMT

LOL DOES HILLARY REALLY THINK GEORGE BUSH SENIOR WOULD WORK FOR HER, AFTER EVERY SPEECH SHE RUNS DOWN HIS SON, AND SHE THINKS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SO GULLIBLE WE WOULD BELIEVE THAT GARBAGE. WE DONT NEED ANY OF BILL S FOREIGN POLICY. hE S THE ONE THAT LET THE TERROSISTS RUN OVER US TIME AND TIME AGAIN, TILL THEY HIT US BIG. aND NAME ME ONE SOLDIER THAT WOULD WORK FOR HILLARY, OR ANY DEMOCRAT.

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:53:18 GMT

Wouldn't ya know it ?

From Salon.com:

'...Administration lawyers were in on discussion of CIA tapes' destruction
The White House has been doing its best to distance itself from the potentially illegal destruction of videotapes of CIA interrogations of al-Qaida suspects, but it looks like the New York Times threw a wrench in those works on Wednesday. The Times reports that more Bush administration lawyers were involved in discussions about whether the tapes should be destroyed than previously acknowledged, and that administration officials may even have actively lobbied in favor of the plan.

Before Wednesday, only former White House counsel Harriet Miers had been reported to have taken part in discussions about the tapes, but the Times says the circle was wider. It includes former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales -- who participated when he was White House counsel -- David Addington, now Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, and John Bellinger, formerly the senior lawyer at the National Security Council.

The Times also contradicts previous reporting in asserting that administration officials may not have opposed the destruction of the tapes, and that others may even have advocated their destruction. "It was previously reported that some administration officials had advised against destroying the tapes, but the emerging picture of White House involvement is more complex," Times reporters Mark Mazzetti and Scott Shane write. "One former senior intelligence official with direct knowledge of the matter said there had been 'vigorous sentiment' among some top White House officials to destroy the tapes ... "Some other officials assert that no one at the White House advocated destroying the tapes. Those officials acknowledged, however, that no White House lawyer gave a direct order to preserve the tapes or advised that destroying them would be illegal."

― Alex Koppe...'

Even they're embarrased about their torture
It's a violation of the Geneva Convention
As per Alberto, the Geneva Convention is 'quaint'

PS
GREAT WORK Chris Dodd
Chris Dodd defeated the 'immunity for phone companies' that Harry Reid and Diane Feinstein were trying to push through Congress

Let the courts decide if the phone companies violated American's civil liberties by allowing illegal wire tapping by Bush!!

Even the Republican Supreme Court will make a better decision that lick spittle Harry Reid and his politician 'friends' !
Thank you, Chris Dodd
(the Democrats do have a good pool of candidates)

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pam, clear lake IA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:53:49 GMT

don't be fooled Ron Pauls's name wasn't even offered in IA rep. polls. The revolution is brewing!!

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:01:37 GMT

Here's why First Read is discounting the polls ....

'...Iowa Poll Spotlights Importance Of Turnout
Obama and Clinton Lead the Democrats

By Dan Balz and Jon Cohen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, December 19, 2007; Page A01

Sens. Barack Obama of Illinois and Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York remain deadlocked in Iowa, with former senator John Edwards of North Carolina trailing, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll that underscores the importance of the massive efforts the Democratic candidates have set in motion to turn out supporters on Jan. 3.

In a race that could hinge on a campaign's ability to motivate voters to brave wintry conditions and spend hours attending caucuses, each of the leading contenders appears to enjoy distinct advantages. More of Obama's backers said they are certain to participate than did those who have gotten behind Clinton. But Clinton's supporters are the most committed and enthusiastic, and Edwards counts among his supporters experienced caucus attendees who are more likely to turn out again.

Enthusiasm for a candidate and familiarity with the process are critical components in the caucuses, in which voting takes place in public after speeches on behalf of each of the candidates, and complex rules dictate the allocation of delegates.

The three front-runners are pouring resources into the state, viewing the caucuses as potentially decisive in the battle for the Democratic nomination.

Obama has gained ground on Clinton on the question of which Democrat is seen as most electable in November 2008, which had been one of her early calling cards in wooing voters. Clinton retains a significant advantage as the candidate with the best experience to be president.

Overall, 33 percent of likely caucusgoers support Obama, 29 percent Clinton and 20 percent Edwards. A month ago, four percentage points also separated Obama and Clinton at the top (30 percent to 26 percent).

The other Democrats campaigning actively in Iowa remain far behind. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson registered 8 percent in the new poll, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware 4 percent and Sen. Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut 1 percent.

Iowa's caucuses put a premium on organization, and all the campaigns are engaged in unprecedented efforts to identify supporters and get them to one of the 1,781 precinct caucuses.

Here the poll offers good news for each of the leading candidates. More than seven in 10 of Obama's supporters said they are certain to participate in the caucuses, compared with 59 percent of Clinton's backers....'

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Monkey1016 — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:02:21 GMT

I love it when people post stuff on sites in caps thinking it looks better or gets the point across better somehow.... hold on I'm sorry...I'm sorry here.

I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE POST STUFF ON SITES IN CAPS THINKING IT LOOKS BETTER OR GETS THE POINT ACROSS BETTER SOMEHOW =D

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Dickie Flatts, Charlotte, NC — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:02:34 GMT

Want to see unfair coverage of Clinton? Just tune in to MSNBC. Watch Chris Matthews and the rest of the cast and crew take great glee in sticking it to Clinton, fairly or unfairly, night after night.

Meanwhile Obama gets a pass because he is just soooooo nice.

Why doesn't someone ask if Obama is ready to handle a major international crisis?

Ask why Obama changed all the names of his friends in his book. And that now, after one of his old friends has come forwards and is an ex con who lives in his car, if we should worry there are other skeletons in Obama's closet.

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TruthSeeker — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:03:04 GMT

I thought this was beyond the Clintons' control:

http://www.nysun.com/article/68332

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David Anders Pharr, Tx. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:03:35 GMT

Pat FROM NEWYORK SORRY YOUR WORK IS IN VAIN YOU RE JUST ANOTHER YANKEE FROM NEW YORK SUPPORTING HILLARY WHO S NOT FROM YOUR STATE, CANT YOU ALL DO ANY BETTER THAN THAT. SHE S LAUGHING AT YOU LIKE SHE DID THE PEOPLE FROM ARKANSAS THAT SHE CALLED ALL HICKS WHEN SHE FIRST WENT THERE.

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Dot, Illinois — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:03:41 GMT

Nuanced:

Further charges are being considered against the Magi for possession of a controlled substances (aka franchinsense) violations of numerous "scooper" laws in various countries, unlawful uses of roadways by non-motorized carriers, failure to provide proper immunization for camels traveling to Bethlehem, and cruelty to animals for working camels for over 4 hours per day. Sanity hearings will be held because the trio claimed they travelled hundreds of miles because a star was leading them.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:03:47 GMT

-- They will arrest the wise men for illegally crossing the border, close the homeless shelter, dock the shepards pay for leaving their jobsite, send Joseph to the war in Mesopotamia, lecture Mary on the evils of adultery, and call the angel gay.

nuanced (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:35 AM)

Maybe the demos can do one too......

Hillary can play Mary......

Obama can play the guy looking for shelter for the night

Biden can play the innkeeper that won't give him shelter

Richardson can tell the story, just get the name of the play right

Gravel can play the statue

Dennis can play the space invader

Chris Dodd can just stand there and look important

Edwards can play scrooge

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mike, dallas, TX — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:05:21 GMT

Howard Kurtz does not have credibility when it comes to the issue of scrutiny to the candidates. He has ignored our comments when the media was giving a soft treatment to Hillary and sometimes misrepresenting facts to beat up Obama. He dismissed the media as being silly and they should leave her alone when Hillary went to a zillion morning shows on the same day and just cackled in response to very serious questions the most bizzare one being to Bob Schiefer's question and Bob didn't know how to react because there was nothing funny about his question. Howie is one of those pro Hillary journalists who have been unleashed in recent days to save Hillary(like Krugman)and he has the right to be pro Hillary but if that is the case he shouldn't be in the business of arbitering the media how to cover the campaign.

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Watch — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:05:32 GMT

Sierra, SF

You are working so hard for Obama and I kind of see your name every where. But, there is no need to worry about California now, and I believe you know that. So no need to shift attention here.

Now, first read realized that how media treat each candidates differently. Keep tune in, more in this topic will come, it is spreading all over the blogs and TV channel. Media will pay attention to it, finally. Find where is your heart and soul. Thanks God.

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Simon, IA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:07:32 GMT

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Rick,ky — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:07:42 GMT

Give me a break!!!, The press( some anyways) has finally started to question her campaign.She got the " All Hail The Queen" treatment for month's while we heard about $400 haircuts & Barack attending a madrassa as a child stories. David gregory, who will ask the hard questions, was stonewalled by Hillary, just 2 days ago. He even said to her, something like, OK, you won't answer that question, let's move on.Move on, he did, got the same result.Her campaign is a charade on the voter's intelligence. As other's have mentioned, her supporter's have brought on this kinda press with there Dumb & Dumber remark's. Let's hope that the press keep's this up until all the Electorate see's her for exactly what she is trying to pull, a CHARADE.

' DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER"

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Ron, TX — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:09:45 GMT

Van - the Kurtz puff-piece is based on the underlying assumption that none of the negative press on Clinton is true, and that all of the negative press on Obama is true. It sounds like satire because it begins saying that the Des Moines Register endorsement should have just swept away all the Clinton's mistakes and follies over the past 6 weeks. That's a rediculous claim, and seems satirical, because a newspaper endorsement isn't going to erase the Clintons' errors in judgment and tactics. Then it goes on to say that the Clinton campaign is even going so far as to complain to producers because she was asked some difficult questions in an interview?! Wow! I thought that Kurtz was getting ready to make fun of them because those claims are so rediculous, but it turns out he's just horribly biased towards the other side of the isle.

The reality is that the media runs what gets ratings, what people want to hear about. Obama doesn't have dirt piles NEAR the size of Clinton, as evident by the press coverage. Dirt doesn't appear to be sticking to Obama, because it isn't sticking, because it's weak dirt, because no one cares about what someone did when they were 15. Dirt appears to be sticking to Clinton because it's strong dirt, because the Clintons have been rolling and playing in dirt since 1985. It's serious dirt too, Clinton the inevitable is all of a sudden falling, people are sick of her strong ties to dirt, planting questions, openly insulting people during debates (how INCREDIBLY rude was it to laugh at and mock Obama over a question before he even answers it? How is that in any way PRESIDENTIAL? It isn't),

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Simon, IA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:12:34 GMT

The media, with its focus on - and even debate evaluations based on - national horse race numbers, was propping up Hillary's campaign for most of the year; if they didn't get critical of her in the last couple of months to balance it out, that would have been intolerably biased.

The Iowa numbers Insider Advantage actually released to the RCP polling average were the most likely voters numbers, where Obama was first by a point over Edwards - so it actually backs up the numbers from the ABC poll.

All in all, thanks in part to both polls, Obama now leads the RCP Average for Iowa by 3.5 points, his biggest lead yet.
Shadow, Hamden, CT (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:07 AM)

In your eyes media propped up Hillary. But can you show one example where media propped up (or ignored) Hillary's mistake? When Obama triangulated on driver's license in 2 weeks or changed his positions on Social Security, did media raise it 100 times? Could you have imagined if Hillary did that , what would have happened? You already know what happened, you started hating and distrusting her. Similarly, if media had highlighted Obama's traingulation as much as Hillary's, then you will start saying, the issue is not a simple yes or no:-)

We are all prejudiced. Just accept it and move on:-)

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vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:13:20 GMT

In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Clinton is bouncing back. it’s Hillary Clinton 42%, Barack Obama 24% and John Edwards 15%. Bill Richardson is supported by 4% while Joe Biden and Dennis Kucinich are each supported by 3% of Likely Democratic Primary Voters.

42-24 in today's Rasmussen.

33-26 on 12/6

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Van

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Go Teddy — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:13:36 GMT

BREAKING NEWS: Ted Kennedy endorses "Jim Beam" for prez

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Phil, Chappaqua, NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:14:17 GMT

As to the qualifications of the leading candidates: being a former state governor is not necessarily a good qualification for the presidency (the current occupant of the White House being a prime case in point). A large part of the President's job has to do with international issues, and experience as a Senator generally brings far more exposure to these than a term as governor of a state.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:17:23 GMT

Thank you for pointing out that the others received alot of negative press for months while Clinton got the coronation treatment.
diane (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:35 AM)

"THE INVISIBLE PRIMARY—INVISIBLE NO LONGER
A First Look at Coverage of the 2008 Presidential Campaign
October 29, 2007

A study by the Project for Excellence in Journalism and the Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy

In the early months of the 2008 presidential campaign, the media had already winnowed the race to mostly five candidates and offered Americans relatively little information about their records or what they would do if elected, according to a comprehensive new study of the election coverage across the media.
The press also gave some candidates measurably more favorable coverage than others.DEMOCRAT BARACK OBAMA, the junior Senator from Illinois, enjoyed by far the MOST POSITIVE treatment of the major candidates during the first five months of the year—followed closely by Fred Thompson, the actor who at the time was only considering running. Arizona Senator John McCain received the most negative coverage—much worse than his main GOP rivals."

http://www.journalism.org./node/8187

Will you be thanking me for pointing this out?

Van
(It's gotten even worse)

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--NSMSNBC — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:20:10 GMT

*** Bias alert!
"“Bill in a china shop ...he went on a minirampage, grabbing unflattering headlines and hogging the spotlight ..."
--The reason is that the media focuses so much on the darn Clintons all the time that they don't train attention on Obama/Edwards so much. Billary is like Britney Spears, we don't want to hear about the trainwreck, but we can't turn away. AND THE MEDIA WON'T LET US!!! There are other Hollywood actresses who are better examples of human beings, likewise other political candidates.
--The other candidates have had a ton of negative press, but the pro-Hillary folks seem to have memories of an goldfish. There was a HUGE run where everything was pro-Clinton and anti-the others. Nobody complained about unfairness then. Maybe if her campaign would stop screwing up and get its act together, she could receive some positive press once again. Maybe the media tells it how it is, relatively speaking.

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Randy Brown City Michigan — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:22:21 GMT

What I find fascinating, is you people still think your running against W.......

:)

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Dan, Baton Rouge, LA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:24:15 GMT

I'm not so sure Hukabee would be a disaster of the GOP. I remember when the Carter camp was thrilled when Ronald Reagan won the Republican nomination because he was just too right-wing to get elected.

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Del LaBelle Boise, Idaho — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:24:24 GMT

Has Hilly-billy ever been asked what drugs she experimented with in her college days? When was she tested. I just read that hill-billy made the statement that " it's hard for her to talk about herself" I almost fell out of my chair laughing , does that woman really, really believe anyone believes anything she says ? the hilly-billy machine isn't aware there's anyone else on the planet them and them alone. It is impossible for them to talk about any but themselves. If they would take I, ME, and MINE, out of their conversation they couldn't speak. But I do thank her for helping me start my day off with such a hardy laugh. this is going to be good by Nov.08.

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L Griffin, Paducah, Kentucky — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:24:37 GMT

As a lifelong Democrat, and one who has opposed Dubya on every major issue, I am dismayed at the possibility of not electing a Democrat for President in 2008. There is too much negative talk, and not enough about what a particular candidate might do to heal this country. The only person who seems to be projecting a positive message is Barack Obama. I can only hope that the political machine of the Clintons does not kill his chances. I for one think there needs to be a national primary so that we could have a choice rather than letting 2 small states do so much to decide who gets nominated.

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Barbara C., Pompano Beach, FL — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:27:10 GMT

On polls, there is a website called USA Election Polls where you can leave comments also. It is pretty current and a lot of fun to read.

If anyone is dumb enough to predict this race with a couple of weeks to go and a lot of undecided voters, I say -- SILLY YOU...!!

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Joe Justice — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:29:28 GMT

The Obama holiday ad is great and simple.

It's one thing to wish Americans "Merry Christmas", but a whole different thing to prattle on about Jesus with a cross in the background.

Nice try at snark, FirstRead. Leave that lame shit to Adam Nagourney and his awful writing.

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JD, Cincinnati, Oh — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:30:47 GMT

Some say that Mitt's ads are ugly or distasteful - HARDLY! The truth hurts for some and I hope the country realizes that the best solution this nation has to it's problems is MITT!

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Chris Reynolds, Tallahassee, Florida — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:34:49 GMT

Here's another story for you... MIKE HUCKABEE'S SON TORTURED A DOG TO DEATH. (But not to worry, "Spin King" Huckabee says it was just a "mangy" dog, anyway)
Is that the true Christian huckabee is?

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Jerry/Corpus Christi Texas — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:46:49 GMT

David Pharr says "WE DONT NEED ANY OF BILL S FOREIGN POLICY. hE S THE ONE THAT LET THE TERROSISTS RUN OVER US TIME AND TIME AGAIN, TILL THEY HIT US BIG. aND NAME ME ONE SOLDIER THAT WOULD WORK FOR HILLARY, OR ANY DEMOCRAT."

Wasn't bush president when the worst attack on US soil in history happened? Didn't bush hide on an airplane while the nation he was sworn to protect was under attack? didn't bush con you into thinking Iraq had something to do with it? Wasn 't bush more interested in snorting coke and deposing saddam than protecting us on 911?

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Dawn — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:52:58 GMT

"What does that poll tell us?" It tells us that Clinton's racist attack via Billy Shaheen on Obama is working in a state with a 90+% White population receptive to exaggerated stereotypes of Black male criminality. It seems that because Obama has been a class act not ever discussing the impact of race in this campaign, it's given White, privileged and self-described liberals a free pass not to discuss what is clearly a factor: Racism within the Democratic Party, especially among ethnic, working-class Whites. Senator Obama already faced an uphill battle in two of the statistically 'whitest' states in the country, NH and IA, but it's even more difficult now that Billy Shaneen made the unfounded allegation that he was a drug dealer. Never mind that he's accomplished more than what most people, irrespective of race, could ever dream of, all it took is the image of this Black male dealing drugs to convince voters in NH (and probably IA too) that an Ivey League educated lawyer, constitutional law professor, U.S. Senator, devoted husband and father is nothing but another Black criminal. But of course Chuck Todd and his cohorts won't discuss that. It would undermine Liberals and Democrats as being free of racism and bigotry. BS!

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--Nicholas — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:55:48 GMT

Van, the link you provided starts out with the words:
"In the early months of the 2008 presidential campaign ..."
--If you take the campaign season and break it into little bits, of course you can find a time in which one candidate gets preferential treatment. Let's us examine what was occurring in those early months. Clinton and McCain were frontrunners, obviously receiving scrutiny. McCain also failed in his first campaign attempt, a lot of negative media there. F. Thompson and B. Obama were the new guys and the media and people wondered who they were. Obama still doesn't have the name recognition that either Clinton or Edwards have, I believe. Let us examine what has happened since then. Clinton received a ton of press around the brief spurt she soared in the polls, before her fall from grace, and McCain has regained some positive press with the comeback story, and Obama was shunned by all the Republicans, Clinton--before agreeing and the media for his foreign policy decisions to communicate with others but to stay strong also. The experience question also dogged him like crazy. And does that include Fox news or conservative radio too, because they love doing nice little conservative hit-jobs on the Clintons?

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Bree Donos, Santa Clarita, CA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:03:19 GMT

What have this country come to when a candidate for president cannot even wish the people Merry Christmas without some snide remarks from the leftist loonies? They supposedly notice crosses (it was a bookshelf which apeared to look as a cross) and other strange, subliminal messages in the ad. Mr. Huckabee's Christmas greeting ad was very heartwarming, appropriate and timely. What's wrong with that? I hardly think Mr. Huckabee is some wild-eyed, blazing, hellfire and brimstone individual who would take this country down the tubes, as the leftist loonies seem to advocate. God have mercy! Merry Christmas!

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Jakass club concedes to defeat — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:03:21 GMT

Your Washington self serving Paper Hanging ""Jackass Club"" again Failed! The Jackass ranking file showed the true color and flip once again, all the speech "" we will not approve another dollar for this war"". What blundering idiots and the waste of Billions this year!

How so many self sering paper hangers control the fate of this nation? What would 2.5 trillion dollars have done for we the people?

A vote for another Jackass Washington self serving paper hanger will insure this insanity has horrific conequences.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:07:58 GMT

Ron, TX (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:09 AM)
So, you didn't read;
http://www.journalism.org./node/8187
As you had nothing to say about it's validity.

"Puff-piece", is your characterization and a further indication of your own lack of objectivity. The fact that your posts indicate that you're more anti-Clinton than pro anyone makes me wonder exactly what she or the Clintons did to you personally, as your anger at them seems very personal on your part.

What has senator Clinton done in her senate campaigns and while in the senate SPECIFICALLY that you believe justifies your anger and criticisms? It's obvious that you're very against her candidacy, so what has she actually done to merit your ire?
You come off so angry, so you must have your reasons, What SPECIFICALLY are they?

Van

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Dot, Illinois — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:10:25 GMT

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m, OR — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:11:47 GMT

Go ahead and let the Dems be in the spotlight and let the Republicans slide right on in. To be honest, I wish candidates will focus more on what their plans/polices are rather than bash each other so much, Im sick and tired of it, same goes for the media too, let the candidates do their job.
Right now there is nobody I really want to vote for on either side. Far as Im concerned, our President is doing a better job handling things now than most other canidates could, that dosnt mean I agree with all he does, but it does mean I do aprove of him.

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Ian Dee, Calgary, AB — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:14:41 GMT

Nuanced isn't exactly nuanced - ham-fisted is more like it.

Diane, I hope a cute video & adorable daughters aren't your basis for supporting someone.

Eric, are you a person or a parrot?

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Rick C, Stevens Point, WI — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:17:44 GMT

Could Howie Kurtz have Chris Matthews in mind when he talks about an anti-Hillary bias? Night after night on Hardball, Matthews cuts down Clinton. The only time that Matthews had something nice to say about her was after she made a statement after the campaign office hostage situation had been resolved. Otherwise, it has been a nearly non-stop bash-a-thon.

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GoneFishing — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:19:28 GMT

We need to rethink the caucus process. With 80% of republicans in Iowa thinking Bush is doing a good job, something is in their water.

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Nathan, Evansville, IN — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:20:53 GMT

In this article they're updating Duncan Hunter's campaign activities but not Ron Pauls? ARE YOU SERIOUS? And why am I the first person asking this?!?
This week, too, of all things.

Check out Ron Paul this Sunday morning at 9AM EST on NBC's Meet the Press with Tim Russert!

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Beckwolf — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:20:58 GMT

"Has the press been nicer to Obama than Clinton?"

Depends on which press you're talking about, and at which particular minute. The press, for a rather long time, ignored all of the stupid statements made by Clinton, the comments showing her as a stringent dictator with no regards for the majority middle or upper class. Instead, they mixed her words to form wholly unrelated statements that sounded better but didn't fit her profile. Then, as people were beginning to call out the media on it, they reacted in a way to make people believe they never were acting as such, showing negatives and focusing more on the positive aspects of Obama. It seems to me that the current news situation is little more than a poor attempt to cover up the overly positive spin Hillary received for so many months. Just my opinion though, and there are still a few other possibilities. The only certain thing is that the vast majority of the media remains supportive to the left, as it has for many years. For every media leaning to the right is a dozen pulling to the left, and there isn't much to be found in the middle for an atheist pro-choice business economy supporting Republican like me.

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disgusted Van — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:21:43 GMT

Hillary Clinton likes to whinn when she is loosing ..who is paying attention?

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:22:18 GMT

What has senator Clinton done in her senate campaigns and while in the senate SPECIFICALLY that you believe justifies your anger and criticisms? It's obvious that you're very against her candidacy, so what has she actually done to merit your ire?
You come off so angry, so you must have your reasons, What SPECIFICALLY are they?

Van

vanreuter, NY NY (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:07 PM)

Did you really open a can of worms on that one Van....

Let's start with:

chinese dishwashers
planted questions
planted people
fake laughs
fake answers
furniture from the white house
travelgate
whitewater
Vince Foster
Monica
Bill
Socks
Buddy
Anti semitic remarks
her F word bombs
Norman Hsu

I could go on and on but we'll cut to the chase:

Hillary Clinton's Senate Record....

In five years as the most influential Democrat in the Senate, Hillary has managed to get the following laws and resolutions enacted:

• Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site

• Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month

• Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor

• Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall

• Name courthouse after James L. Watson

• Name post office after John A. O'Shea

• Designate August 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day

• Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day

• Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death

• Congratulate the Syracuse University Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

• Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship

• Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program

• Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda

• Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death

• Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Bringing a man who was unfaithful to his wife and got HIV in the process just shows the poor taste her when it comes to picking people. Sandy Berger is another.
Bringing in anti union people into her campaign to make her look like she is pro union is a bit stupid as well.

When all fails, bring your mother......
However that picture on drudge should remind everyone how badly she is aging from this campaign....

And it is only December 2007......

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Ron, TX — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:23:40 GMT

Van, that study doesn't suggest bias at all, but rather, media coverage. You trying to use it to suggest bias is incorrect. The flaw in that study: it doesn't compare the accuracy of positive vs negative coverage. Maybe Obama had more positive coverage because he is positive and isn't bogged down in dirt. And maybe Clinton had more negative coverage because she is always stirring the pot and is bogged down in dirt.

Don't be so silly Van.

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pearl elliott,Elizabethtown,Ky. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:23:55 GMT

lol- you folks are so biased about Hillary it is unreal, i think that the media has had a hand in it and you all have just bought into it, but the reason is some of you don't know, all you know is what you read about, have you ever thought about just treating them all fairly?and listen with an open mind? most of you were babies or in diapers when Bill was in office so how does that make you able to judge her?shame on you all

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CJ Los Angeles — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:23:55 GMT

Peter T.

When was the last time George Bush had a drug test ---
and IQ test? can he read written material yet? or pronounce Nuclear now?

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Geri, Mead, OK — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:24:04 GMT

While I consider Joe Biden to be the best candidate for president due to his emotional maturity, his intelligence, and the wisdom he has gained in his life, I recognize that each person, whether they consider themselves a religionist, an atheist, a scientist, a philospher, or a libertine who has no philosophy at all except that of the survival of the fittest, each person has their own vision and interpretation of what represents a Heaven or Hell on earth. And each voter in any country will vote for the person who most represents their interpretation and vision of these things. One can not divorce behavior, actions, attitudes, or their vote from their personal philosophy either as individuals or in a group setting. I don't pay much attention to polls for this reason simply because I think they ask the wrong questions. This is I am a registered Independent.

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Kristian O — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:25:27 GMT

The National Enquire/Drudge Report. These are the periodicals that you haters are hinging your credibility on? Now I know why America is in such pathetic shape. Americans believe everything they hear and everything they read. What a joke.

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pearl elliott,Elizabethtown,Ky. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:27:26 GMT

i truly feel like Hillary has the best experience in todays times to correct and heal this country

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Rodney Lindale, Ga. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:28:22 GMT

Actually delve into the platforms of these people and look what they will try to do for the country not your personal special interest and quit letting the idiot boxes your watching tell you how to vote. Think for yourselves.

Ron Paul for 08

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Andrew, Miami, FL — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:28:53 GMT

"The reality is that polling on the telephone is becoming more difficult; caller id and the widespread use of cell phones are affecting response rates."

"It is illegal for polling firms to call cell phones, coupling that with the rapidly increasing rate of cell phone use and the gradual decrease of land lines, the polling industry will face a crisis within a decade."

"As an industry, we must adapt to the future or face extinction, because the telephone will not always be a valid method of conducting random samples."

John Zogby, of the polling company Zogby International, September 17, 2004

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=866

Face it, polls are shit. Let's talk about the issues and the candidates until the votes are actually cast.

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Brian, FL — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:29:18 GMT

We need a Victory for Liberty!
Vote for the only true patriot. RON PAUL!

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vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:31:23 GMT

The other candidates have had a ton of negative press, but the pro-Hillary folks seem to have memories of an goldfish.

Nicholas-

For the third time, I think, I'll post the same link I have before and ask you whether you think this study was done by goldfish...

http://www.journalism.org./node/8187

Obama got the lion's share of positive press. Clinton was slammed three times as often. Do you disagree with the findings?

Do you disagree with Kurtz's take on the current media narrative? As a Clinton supporter, I am probably as guilty as the supporters of the other candidates of being overly sensitive to negative press about Hillary, but a simple viewing of a show like 'Hardball", does much to support Kurtz's contentions.

Can you name a network or media outlet or chattering class roundtable or nightly show that is devoted to bashing Obama or Edwards or any of the other democratic candidates the way that "Hardball", is devoted to smearing Hillary?

President Clinton lamented the paucity of in-depth coverage of the issues in the campaign and used the study I've linked above to support his argument. Big Media accused him of complaining that they weren't covering Hillary's policies and positions, exclusively. This is patently and obviously false.

They willfully misinterpreted his statement and tailored it to fit the chosen media narrative. His statement was about the MEDIA COVERAGE of the candidates, it was a legitimate complaint that was supported by the study linked above, and a scathing indictment of the shallowness of the media's coverage to be sure. The distortion of his meaning and the following attack from Big Media did a lot to prove his point for him.
It's one thing to be in a goldfish bowl, but when people are shooting at the goldfish, it isn't their memories that need to be questioned.

Van

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Sam, Galesburg, Illinois — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:33:02 GMT

Democrats do not know how to run anything. What has congress accomplished? NOTHING!!!! We need a person like Mitt Romney who knows how to run things and make them work. Romney is the one who can help the United States become great like when Reagen was in office. Mitt Romney for President!!!!

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Jack, Oceanside, California — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:36:21 GMT

These polls should be outlawed. Educated people know that they are "rigged".

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Iowa girl — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:37:22 GMT

Newest poll out today in Iowa has Edwards 30%, Clinton 26%, and Obama 24%. People in Clinton's campaign have said all along that Edwards will come out the winnner in the Iowa caucuses based on the grass roots support he has built up since 2003. He has almost lived here since then.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:37:56 GMT

Don't be so silly Van.

Ron, TX (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:23 PM)

I tried. You obviously didn't read, or perhaps you didn't understand the study. My Grandmother used to say, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.". As I said, I tried.

Van

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Jim Easton, Chesapeake VA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:38:47 GMT

I am wondering why noone has brought up the Carter Presidency when discussing Senator Obama? We Americans have such a short memory but someone has to remember how we bought into Carter's outsider and change message only to find out how inept his administration was. How do we know that Senator Obama wont repeat this? The parallels are just too close to ignore...A paranoid and corrupt Republican Administration (Ford could not break the Nixon connection), an unpopular war, perception of a messed up economy, etc. Anybody remember the "Sweater"?

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Chix — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:39:24 GMT

I'd vote Obama regardless of which party he belonged to. He only has one face and does not wear multiple fronts. People like that are hard to find.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:40:10 GMT

Peter T.

When was the last time George Bush had a drug test ---
and IQ test? can he read written material yet? or pronounce Nuclear now?

CJ Los Angeles (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:23 PM)

What was Hillary's final answer after five tries on Drivers Licenses for illegal aliens?

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Gerald Devora, Calif. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:40:29 GMT

Why Obama? Obama's platform deserves better scrutiny and less media empathy...

Time after time, debate after debate Obama simply rejects to answer or give any real insight into how he attends to "change" the way business is done in Washington.

Two days out of the week I go to church. On Sunday I'm inspired on Wednesday I learn...Obama is like Sunday. Where's wednesday?

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:42:31 GMT

I am The National Chairperson of Barrack Obama's Smut & Smear Committee. I have no historical, or political knowledge at all.
But, my 8th grade education, and my position in life as a burger flipper makes me angry and envious of any and all successful woman.
That's why I hate Hillary so much, and that's why this is the perfect job fo me.
I listen to Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity everyday. That's why I support Obama. Because he's the candidate all of the conservative-hate-speak-radio pundits want as the Democratic nominee.
Vote Obama everybody, for a divisive America in which we attack our political enemies and then claim they are the ones who attacked us first, and remember; drug use doesn't matter.
http://www.hannity.com/

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Dolores Fleming — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:43:04 GMT

I am sick and tired about hearing Obama.There in no way in hell we will vote for a black president.If Obana gets the vote i will surely vote republican.I am a born liberal.He said he never got into Washington and he has been a senator for two years.He said it needed a change.Yes but not with someone who is a liar and drug user.he didn't say how he got off Drugs.aleast Cocaine.Two years in washington and does't know washington.Wonder how many years it wiil take.

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Tareli, Fuquay Varina NC — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:44:02 GMT

Sorry Sierra you're wrong about California. Hillary is kicking Obama's ass there.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ca/california_democratic_primary-259.html

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mike oh — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:44:02 GMT

I think it's absolutely biased right now and for the last six weeks against Hillary.
My best example is the 'foreign policy experience' issue that made the rounds a few weeks ago.
Obama says live as a child overseas give him FP experience, Clinton says traveling to 80 odd countries as First Lady gives her FP experience.
I watched MSNBC for 3 days hold a microscope over Clintons assertion, asking how that could be experience, Tucker spent a whole segment of his show asking for minutes of the meeting she held.
O.K. - fair questions, does meeting with 80 foreign heads of state as First Lady qualify as the right kind of experience? Should be asked and talked about.
Except here's Obama saying that because he played hackey sack on a street corner in Jakarta when he was ten years old he has FP experience. What???? Where's Matthews, Tucker, Scarborough, etc., on that comment??? Didn't here it more than once or twice and nothing real bad about it.
No media bias? give me a break.

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Jason Cheers Talahassee, Florida — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:44:38 GMT

I see whoever edits this column is STILL protecting Huckabee AND Chuck Dodd. Nice going, losers - I'm heading over to the "Fair and Balanced" channel.

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Brent Vote Mitt Now — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:46:40 GMT

Polls do have value. Do not kid yourselves folks.
That value is very subjective to us bloggers but consider the Football polls for college. Creates controversy right? Oh yeah! Generates interest and lots of $$$.
These political polls are generate lots of interest and benefit the media.
I can go along with that fact that they mean very little as to who is winning or losing. Or who is beter or not in football or politics.
This is a race for as much recognition as possible. That generally computes to votes and activisim.
This case it is probability and alot of luck.
A number of these candidates could win and do just fine. Of course, they will get ripped apart. Every President is just not good enough. Can't say I like the job benefits but somebody has to do the job.

Now, everyone say vote for the most qualified. That argument is presented by the one who is most skilled and has experience. Doesn't mean that should be the one in office or not. It marketing to their strength of course.
Wether religion should be used or not is irrelevant...its marketing. most of these candidates want lots of coverage. The more you hear and see the names the better the chances of getting the nomination.
People in the end vote from their gut or not at all if over-exposed.
That's my blog for the day. Gotta love the pollsters. reminds of the paparazzi. Do anything to sell their data.
GL

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Drew Burn — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:48:03 GMT

This column does appear to be pro-Hillary and pro-establishment.

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Dolores Fleming — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:49:06 GMT

I dislike republicans with a passion It is republicans that gave Bush all he wanted and sent our country to hell.All i hope is that all those red states(republican) Turn into blue states.Blue is the color of freedom.

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Chix, Roswell, GA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:49:07 GMT

I'd vote for Obama regardless of which party he belonged to. He's a single-faced guy without multiple personalities. That simplicity campaigns fo him. Naturally likable because he is real and original.

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GoneFishing — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:51:50 GMT

I like Clintons new endorsement... Ask Monika Lewinski about Bill's "Magic Johnson". Being the Clinton's can't keep their family in order, they don't have a snow ball's chance in hell sorting out the problems our country faces today.

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Jesse, Burnsville, MN — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:52:19 GMT

Pearl,

We were "babies or in diapers". How old are you grandma? I have a feeling I am one of the younger posters and I am 30. That means I was 14 to 22 during his years as President, some pretty formative years.

Besides, Bill is not the reason I don't like Hillary. Hillary is the reason I don't like Hillary. She is pro-war, pro-lobbyist donations, pro-corporation, and she thinks an individual making $100k a year is middle class (even though only 6% of the population makes that much or more). That, to me, sounds more like a Republican!! Besides, with how divisive she is, how is she ever going to accomplish anything. It would basically be like having Bush as President for four more years. NO THANKS!!

Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama '08

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mjjones, brooklyn, ny — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:52:21 GMT

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If You Were Listening, You Wouldn't Have to Ask — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:53:22 GMT

".....What was Hillary's final answer after five tries on Drivers Licenses for illegal aliens? ....."
jerry/corpus christi texas (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:40 PM)

jerry.....
I'LL DOUBLE SPACE THIS, AND USE CAPITOL LETTERS.

BECAUSE, I KNOW YOU HAVE LESS THAN A 6TH GRADE EDUCATION, AND DON'T COMPREHEND THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ALL TOO WELL.

HILLARY'S FIRST, AND LAST ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION WAS / IS "NO."

THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING jerry, YOU HAVE WON THE HOME EDITION OF "HOOKED ON PHONICS" AND A COPY OF "ENGLISH COMPOSITION FOR DUMMIES."
HAVE A NICE HOLIDAY, NOW GO MILK THE FAMILY CARIBOU.

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Republican — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:55:02 GMT

Where are these polls??? I've never seen one or taken one and I surf the web all day!

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differenceinopinions — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:59:59 GMT

interesting article.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/80882

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Codename: V — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:00:38 GMT

Ron Paul!

www.ronpaul2008.com

No more tricks. No more lies. Only truth.

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NICK BARTOW, LESTER, PA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:01:15 GMT

I heard that 70% of repubs in iowa approve of BUSH. So we as americans are to take the iowa caucas as a snapshot of what america thinks!!! Super tuesday is the day. Iowa is not up to par with the nation and super tuesday will prove it.

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J G Louisville KY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:02:54 GMT

Hilary must be stopped. I do not wish to live in a Marxist society. Obama never has a position on anything. He just spouts platitudes. Edwards, yeah, just what we need another egocentric, mysoginist in the White House.

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Ron, TX — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:04:49 GMT

Van, you post like you are the monolith of truth. But until you can actually engage an argument, your links continue to mean nothing. Like I said, that study you linked, which you suggest "proves media bias." That is absolutely incorrect. That study is concerning media -coverage-. The word "coverage" appears around 20 times. The word "bias" appears ZERO times.

Bias requires the coverage to be more a higher percentage of Clinton's negatives than Obama's negatives. For example: If Clinton has 10 negatives and the media covers 5, that's 50%. If Obama has 3 negatives, and the media covers 3, then that's 100%. Note how Clinton has more negatives, 5 to 3, which means that she will receive more negative COVERAGE even though the media may have focused on ALL of Obama's negatives. That would prove bias.

But the study has nothing to do with any of that? Notice how the study is -only- about coverage? Until you post a study that actually analyzes the the total amount of negative and positive news in relation to the amount of negative and positive news coverage, there's no proof of bias at all. There's only proof that Clinton has had more negative news stories (i.e. has done more negative things).

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--Nick — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:08:11 GMT

" ...a further indication of your own lack of objectivity ..."
*Clearly you, Van, are not objective. (I can't claim so much either). Dot, IL seems pretty objective when it comes to the top three candidates. (She's about the only objective (Democrat) one on this blog). I defer to whatever her position is on this issue, with the probable caveat that I'm slightly glad the media somewhat ignores the less-than first tier.

--I already posted above some issues with that specific article. Mainly, like polls, that if you re-arrange the parameters, you can tell any story. You're article focuses on the early campaign, specifically the first five months if it is the same article you brought up before.

--Hardball is a poor choice. I find Mr. Matthews very fair (and I don’t say that because I like Obama, though clearly you won’t believe me on that point), you guys are creating a narrative that doesn’t exist. He or his panel has been tough on Obama, made me cringe a bit, but it was always fair criticism. You know who on a panel is biased and who isn't. I try to listen to the less biased folks, and I do wish he would call out peoples' BS more. He has very recently also said a number of nice things about Senator Clinton, especially towards her character, which were nice to hear. Like I say, she's a news maker, so much lately has been bad. You all weren't bringing up media bias until after her poor debate performance. Mr. Matthews reports on the present events, and the show is called Hardball for a reason. If the present, in the future, is positive for Hillary, he will no doubt direct the conversation as such. What's fair is fair. I just don’t see him telling lies. That somebody on the Clinton side of the blog insinuated Tucker is pro-Obama is also laughable. He does get some very good guests though. Mr. Olbermann does seem to at times lean pro-Hillary. FR is pretty fair, and I have said that when other Obama folks have disagreed.

Still, on the other hand, I'd like to have Obama under fire more, I do agree. But first, the Clintons have to get out of the media's way. But that is the problem of such a managed campaign, you know, Tight Like a Tiger ... Clinton, her surrogates and her supporters react so strongly to everything. This very argument is counterproductive to obtaining the very thing you all want, sheesh! And that is all I have to say on this issue.

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Patti, Portland, OR — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:11:20 GMT

This whole Edwards' "pregnant mistress" rumor is so disturbing. I felt sick reading it. I googled it and, unfortunately, got a lot of hits. Is the story really coming out in this week's Enquirer? I hope it is not true. Please, someone, tell me this isn't true. The Enquirer is a rag, but, I know they occasionally get it right. I hope this isn't one of those times. I just cannot believe Edwards would do this. I pray it is proven to be a dirty trick. I just hope it can be resolved very, very quickly - and that it is a total fabrication.

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Everett Lacy, Yuma, AZ — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:17:20 GMT

The democrats do not seem to be able to offer anyone
that is reasonably close to the center. The republicans seem to be trying to get us to buy Hucklebee but he has heavy baggage in the law & order
dept. plus the immigration issue. Mitt Romney seems to be the reasonal choice.

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Case, Oakland, CA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:18:41 GMT

There is no mystery here. Clinton is white and Obama is black. No matter what people say - or how they lie - a black man running for president in today's America does not stand a chance in the Democratic party. We love to talk about equality and say that we have no bias but, when the vote is taken, the real feelings come out. It is obvious to me that Obama is as qualified - or more qualified than Clinton. He is certainly most honest and straight forward. The polls show he would beat any Republican in the General election but he will lose in this primary because of the color of his skin. We really haven't come that far. . .

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Mike T. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:20:28 GMT

Do you think the MSM will ignore Ron Paul when he places 1st when it comes time to vote?

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Tracey Wehner — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:21:54 GMT

Hi
first time i've been here. i've read it all and have to say i'm voting for John Edwards regardless of who wins in Iowa and NH. I'm from the state of Michigan which is in a econimic depression. We need a Dem. in the White House.

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Thomas, Houston, TX — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:27:00 GMT

Once again Ron Paul is conspicuously absent from the article and the polls yet you list Dodd in the article? The majority of the peice is so Dem it is painfully obvious that objectivity is not the priority of the media. Just rename yourselves dem-msnbc or msnbhuck or macainbc or gulliambc. Please, we already know the media in the USA is a joke but you would think they would want to improve or steer away from ironically coinciding with a predetermined pattern.

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Tracey Wehner — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:29:57 GMT

Do people know Ron Paul wants to do away social security. I don't know about anyone else, but I want to retire and not work till I die.

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Aidyn,NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:30:28 GMT

The Press is always umfair the Clinton, becuase she is a Clinton!

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JOHN CHOPYAK — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:34:06 GMT

With all the people running for President why hasn't anyone asked them the question about taking care of all the Military Veterans that have served our Country. Not just some. Did you ever see the six page forms that a Veteran has to complete for benefits. It is a crying shame that the people that served there Country have to complete these forms. It is worst then completing our Income Tax Forms at the end of the year. All Militay Veterans should receive benefits. Some do not receive nothing if there income is to high. What a joke. And no person runing for Presdent has even talked about it. They just Bury you if you die and that is not free.

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Blake S, Seattle, WA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:35:03 GMT

Here is a poll that has shown consistent results and has a map on the results page showing where those votes came from
http://www.votenic.com
check it out.

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Lynn, Millington — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:38:31 GMT

Chuck Todd you are making me believe in you once again. RIGHT ON! The MSM has been more than fair to the Clintons. It has held Senator Obama's feet to the fire and I'm happy about that because the MSM has made him a better candidate. Every one of his words have been looked at. His dealings with in Chicago have been looked at by his hometown paper with a fine-tooth comb. Those reporters have been harder on him in Chicago, that is why the beltway media doesn't have to do it. Chicago Sun-Times and the Chicago Tribute have been brutal and I'm happy about it. They are not showing any bias, like the N.Y. Times is with Hillary Clinton. The N.Y. Times has been harder on Senator Obama and Mayor Ruby than they will ever be with Hillary Clinton.

One more thing, the Clintons have been using their friends to bash Senator Obama from calling him a drug addict, to a drug dealer to a muslim.

Last thing, Senator Obama as written two books and all his business is out in the public. Sometimes I wish he would have just lied instead of telling the truth, he would be leading in ALL THE POLLS by now.

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Jackass or Reality / — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:38:33 GMT

As the Bill to continue support for funding war passes so do those Jackasses who flip flopped and signed on again. Like a three way split,, support GOP,, Support Jackass club,, support self serving agenda.. Just where in the hell does the voice of any Jackass mean anyhting!!!!

Not One dime more ""Ranted the Jackasses"" to support this war!! There has to be a Paper Bag over each one of these Jackasses head,, The shame of being a registered Jackass would be pure humility. I guess it could be said,, To be a Jackass club member leave your spine at the hat check in.

One VOTE to support a Jackass is a wasted VOTE!!!

The symbol of the DNC is the Jackass nad do they ever live up to it!!!!

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Jim Williamson — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:40:05 GMT

Its time to stop the insanity. Few people believe the polls betcause they are so many and their political slants are so obvious. Like the media, the pollsters have successfully made themselves irrelevant with the constant cries of "the sky is falling, the sky is falling".

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vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:42:07 GMT

Sierra-

As you know, I seldom acknowledge your existence, choosing to scroll past your repetitious screeds. That you decided to answer a question directed to someone else, (understandable as no one EVER asks you anything) gives me the opportunity to cut you a new one and highlight the meaningless silliness that you post, and that most ignore daily. Here was the question;

What has senator Clinton done in her senate campaigns and while in the senate SPECIFICALLY that you believe justifies your anger and criticisms?

Lets see what perhaps the biggest Hillary-hater on the board has in their quiver. He gets the chance to air all of the terrible things that he feel will influence others to not vote for Clinton and because it isn't his post, people may actually read it! What will Sierra do with his chance? What damning evidence does he have of Clinton's perfidy?

Did you really open a can of worms on that one Van....

Let's start with:

chinese dishwashers- LOL Didn't someone have BABIES contributing to their campaign? If it isn't Clinton it isn't bad? Just shows your crazy bias and one-sidedness yet again

planted questions- Obama had one this week. Will we be seeing you harp on that? More one-sidedness.

planted people-Where are they PLANTED? LOL

fake laughs-Do you have any idea how foolish this makes you seem?

fake answers-As opposed to REAL answers? What does this even mean? Do you realize how foolish these lame criticisms paint you to be?

furniture from the white house-What about the TOWELS!!!!

travelgate-EXONERATED, and only a low-life creep would continue to post this crap without ADMITTING that. But then you have nothing of substance in your endless litany of lies and inanities, so lacking anything that is true you continue to perpetuate lies.

whitewater-EXONERATED, and only a low-life would continue to post the claim without noting that it had been DISCREDITED.

Vince Foster-Committed suicide, and only a hate-filled, low-life would have the lack of human decency to continue to exhume his dead corpse to try and smear the name of someone he loved and respected. I only wish I could come to your door with the members of mister Foster's family so they could look you in the eye and tell you what they think of you and your despicable use of his tragic death.

Monica-That was Bill Clinton's indiscretion and (this might surprise you) most DEMOCRATS felt it was a personal matter between two married people. That the Clinton's survived a crisis and kept their marriage together, like MILLIONS of other couples, is only an indictment of how low you continually sink to smear the only 2 term democratic president since FDR.

Bill-One of the best, if not the best president of my lifetime, and THE MOST POPULAR democrat in the party. Are you even a democrat? This crap would make anyone wonder.

Socks-This is logically consistent with the rest of your reasons.

Buddy-You could really probably use a dog, or some kind of friend, yourself. Maybe the Clintons have one for you.

Anti Semitic remarks-I'm a Jew, are you? Did you know that there are several Jews in New York? Do you know where senator Clinton is the senator FROM? Do you know where President Clinton's office is? Do you know how ridiculous the, "reasons", you have so foolishly cited to justify the endless stream of hyperactive invective that most simply scroll past? You're lucky that most do, as even a cursory reading of your stuff is enough to see that there is nothing of substance there.

her F word bombs-LOL I can't believe she CURSES! That's should disqualify EVERYONE from the race.

Norman Hsu-Contributed to many campaigns, including Senator Obama, everybody gave back the money and he was indicted. Only you fail to get that seemingly obvious truth.

I could go on and on...But you LED with your BEST and your best is so sadly lacking in any real merit that it only makes you look foolish.

The endless stream of postings, many of great length, that repeat these foolish, spurious, claims won't cease despite being exposed to the light of ridicule, I know;
But the utter lack of truth or import in your daily postings highlighted here thanks to you, may allow more to scroll past as you howl your sad, discredited, sorta' crazy propaganda into the wind.

If you had any class or decency, you'd stop posting some of the things I've put to rest here. Let's see if you do.

Van

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Michael D. Hafer, Fort Wayne, Indiana — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:42:23 GMT

When I hear about such and such percent of Californians believe Hillary is the most electable, I think about the 40% of Americans that still believe Saddam had something to do with 9/11 terrorist attacks. The data and FACTS just don't support either popularly held opinion. FACT: Most head-to-head match-up polls show Obama and Edwards defeating their Republican rivals by greater margins than Hillary does.

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Marian Gerula — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:42:33 GMT

I can't believe that the media is focusing on how nice or not nice Senator Clinton is or isn't. President Bush in 2000 was looked upon as the nice guy most wanted to have a beer with and look what that got us. I believe that Mrs. Clinton has the best credentials to get this country moving in the right direction - and that stands for getting our troops out of Iraq, setting up a health care plan for everyone in this country, economic stability, global warming policy to benefit our country and the world.
SHE'S THE ONE !!!!!

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Emery ., Dallas,TX — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:44:17 GMT

In a recent African American Professional Caucas Poll in a Fortune 500 corp an overwhelming 93% voted for Sen Hillary Clinton over Sen Barack Obama for Pres. When asked what was most important in a candidate 89% voted experience.

The media - MSNBC in particular would have you believe the majority of African Americans favor Obama, but that is not true. We also realize the state this country is in, and experience the same day to day decisions and struggles (economy,healthcare, jobs,) as every American does. Although we believe Sen Obama is highly intelligent and very charismatic, he does not bring the set of prequisite skills needed to implement an immediate turn-around strategy that this country desperately needs.

With more experience in the Senate and more exposure to Foreign Policy, he would probably have the full support of the African American community. BUT RIGHT NOW SEN OBAMA IS NOT READY!

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TJ Thomson, Boise, ID — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:46:07 GMT

Why don't you include Nevada in your countdowns? Why does the press always skip the fact that Nevada has a caucus before South Carolina? Nevada will be VERY important. After New Hampshire, Nevada will vote and set the trend for South Carolina and then Super Duper Tuesday...

Check out our efforts for Obama in Idaho!
www.idahoforobama.org

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Jesse, Burnsville, MN — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:51:41 GMT

David Yepsen (Des Moines Register)wrote an opinion piece regarding Obama and Foreign Policy:

Two Birds With One Speech
Posted 12/18/2007 4:25 PM CST on Des Moines Register

Barack Obama whacked both Hillary Clinton and John Edwards with one speech in Iowa on Tuesday.

Obama staged a foreign policy forum featuring two of Bill Clinton’s former advisors, then followed it up with an address criticizing the U.S. decision to go to war with Iraq, a move supported by both Clinton and Edwards.

The forum featured Anthony Lake, a national security advisor to President Clinton and Susan Rice, former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs.

In his speech, Obama said: “George Bush did not take us to war alone. Congress gave him that authority when it voted for a Resolution with the simple title: “A Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq.” I opposed the war, and spoke out against it in 2002 when it was not politically popular. I said we needed to finish the job in Afghanistan, and that invading and occupying a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 was the wrong way to respond to the unconventional challenge posed by al Qaeda and Islamic extremism.”

Using former Bill Clinton advisors in a campaign against Hillary Clinton was a neat tweak of his foe. They were also effective counters to the argument that experience is needed in the White House and that he would lack it. Obama argues a little judgment is important too.

He added: “We also have to change a conventional way of thinking about foreign policy that values time spent in Washington over timely judgments; posturing over pragmatism; and fear of looking weak over the conviction to get things right,” he said.

Obama hit just the right tone with the address. He was able to criticize Clinton and Edwards without sounding too negative about it. (Their names were never uttered and not sounding too negative is always important in nicey-nice Iowa.)

The politics of the speech was pretty simple: Obama holds the narrowest of leads in a tight race with the two for votes in the Iowa caucuses. His main rival is Clinton, who he’d dearly like to defeat in order to give his campaign a big boost into the New Hampshire primary and later contests. Defeating Clinton in Iowa would also deal a hard, perhaps mortal, blow to the national Democratic frontrunner.

But part of doing that involves taking anti-Hillary votes away from Edwards and there’s no better way to do that with Iowa Democrats than to remind them how both Clinton and Edwards voted for the war.

“When I’m the Democratic nominee, I will offer a clear choice,” he said. “My opponent won’t be able to say that I ever supported the war in Iraq, or that I don’t support a clear timetable to bring our troops home. He won’t be able to say that I voted to use our troops in Iraq to counter Iran, or that I support the Bush-Cheney diplomacy of not talking to leaders we don’t like. And he won’t be able to say that I wavered on something as fundamental as whether or not it is ok for America to torture –because it is never ok.”

Obama added: “This isn’t about drawing contrasts – it’s about a change in our foreign policy that you can believe in. So when you consider who to caucus for, I ask you to consider my judgment and vision for new American leadership.”

It must be working. Obama’s narrow lead widened to 9 points in the last poll taken in Iowa, a fact that has both Clinton and Edwards feeling a little jittery.

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E Mac, Houston — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:53:38 GMT

I laugh at all the small minded people who are writing on this. You all forget that the mass vote in this country comes from the country. All the whiners and people who want change don't vote. There is a reason that Lil Bush will do 8 years, and by the look at what the Dems are trying to send up, a Rep will do some more.

I don't agree with Huck throwing his church stuff out there, but there are a lot of votes that comes with that. But he seems to be the only Rep that is doing it for the right reason. I can't stand Mitt. He just looks like one of those guys that are in it for the wrong reason. As for the Dems Barrack seems to also be in this for the right reasons but there is no way a Muslim will get into the White House. There are too many hardcore Christians, rednecks, hill-billy's, and military supporters that will not let it happen. And believe it or not, more of them vote than do the MTV Nation. As for Clinton and Edwards, I don't see them being in the house with all of our best interests at heart. I just get a weird feeling when I see them speak. The one I usually get when some one is lying threw their teeth.

The way I do see it, if Barrack was Christian and maybe white (not necessarily) he would win in a landslide. But since that isn't the case, Huck will most likely be the one with the keys. And that will probably be not so bad.

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Ian Dee, Calgary, AB — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:55:47 GMT

What job really qualifies one to be president? Is anything really sufficient? Not really, I think.

But here's something interesting. With only a couple of exceptions, American voters choose people with executive rather than only legislative experience to be president. Recently, at least.
2004 - Bush 43, sitting president
2000 - Bush 43, governor of Texas
1996 - Clinton, sitting president
1992 - Clinton, governor of Arkansas
1988 - Bush 41, sitting vice-president
1984 - Reagan, sitting president
1980 - Reagan, former governor of California
1976 - Carter, former governor of Georgia
1972 - Nixon, sitting president
1968 - Nixon, former vice-president
1964 - L. Johnson, sitting president
1960 - Kennedy, senator from Massachusetts & the one exception to the rule since Harding in 1920
1956 - Eisenhower, sitting president
1952 - Eisenhower, former Supreme Allied Commander Europe
1948 - Truman, sitting president
1944 - F. Roosevelt, sitting president
1940 - F. Roosevelt, sitting president
1936 - F. Roosevelt, sitting president
1932 - F. Roosevelt, governor of New York
1928 - Hoover, former head of American Relief Administration & former Secretary of Commerce
1924 - Coolidge, sitting president
1920 - Harding, senator from Ohio

I doubt that most voters make a conscious decision based on this factor. I suspect that someone with executive experience appears presidential while mere legislators don't. Anyway, I think it's an interesting point.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:01:38 GMT

"I find Mr. Matthews very fair."

I'm sorry Nick, but if that's your opinion, we won't be able to find any common ground to continue a discussion on the topic of media bias, as Matthews is almost universally acknowledged for his trashing of Bill Clinton (When he was Presudent), Al Gore (Matthews recently stated that he voted for Dubya.) John Kerry and now Clinton. His bias has been documented, and goes back to the 2000 election.

Here's a piece from Media Matters, documenting Matthew's bias;

Chris Matthews: 2005's Misinformer of the Year

This year, of all the news anchors, columnists, pundits, and reporters whose work we've critiqued and corrected, one man stands alone as a clear successor to the O'Reilly throne. We are pleased to announce broadcast journalist, former newspaper bureau chief, former presidential speechwriter, and best-selling author Chris Matthews has earned the title of 2005's "Misinformer of the Year." At times, it has even been difficult to tell the difference between 2005's Misinformer of the Year and his predecessor.

For your reading pleasure, we've compiled some highlights of Matthews's most egregious false and misleading claims, as well as his glowing and gushing praise for President Bush.

Without further ado:

Matthews on the filibuster debate: Democrats are "just sort of pouting and bitching." ..., Matthews repeatedly espoused Republican talking points, claiming, among other things, that because of the recent bipartisan agreement aimed at averting the "nuclear option," Democrats can stop "pouting and bitching ...

# Matthews repeatedly smeared Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. On April 24, Matthews attacked Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) by referring to her as a "sort of a Madame Defarge of the left." On May 30, Matthews questioned Clinton's ability to lead, expressing surprise that retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey, an NBC military analyst, wasn't "chuckling a little bit" at the idea of Clinton giving orders to the troops as commander in chief. On July 11, Matthews said Sen. Clinton "looked more witchy" because she criticized the Bush administration's homeland security spending priorities on July 8, a day after the London bombings. On July 27, Matthews asked Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) if he thought Sen. Clinton is a "big-government socialist." [Hardball, 5/30/05; The Chris Matthews Show, 4/24/05; Hardball, 7/11/05; Hardball, 7/27/05]

This Chris Matthews, right?
The rest of the article is here;

http://mediamatters.org/items/200512230005

I don't think that Matthews is fair at all.

Van

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Terry, Omaha, Neb. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:01:54 GMT

Sierra,SF, on WHAT BASIS was/is Ted Kennedy EVER a "GOOD MAN"? In this life, or the past???

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tracy, dallas — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:03:16 GMT

I think it's amazing that everyone here forgets Clinton has done quite enough in the past to warrant negative attention. Look at the many scandals she started while in the White House. If she's elected, they'll surely be more scandals on top of scandals. For her supporters, just stay home so you don't put the country through that again.

Barack is just inexperienced. He's poised and intelligent, so he doesn't really do anything to cause a big scene in the media. The only people causing a big scene about Barack is Hillary (who has to fire a staffer every week for being racist...poor White House) and Bill, who said on TV that any other candidate besides Barack is ready to be president. Oh come on, man! You only say that because he's the only one that can beat Billary.

You people really are morons.

None of these people have once suggested any plans to make this country better, but they have definitely come up with new ways to spend your money! Hillary's going to cut individual taxes, while increasing corporate tax: Yay! WE get to pay for that at the register, so no help there.

You are all refusing to acknowledge the one candidate that is free from scandals, has over 20 years of experience, wants to protect your rights, and wants you to keep your income and is a U.S. Air Force Flight Surgeon (maybe why most of the military supports him more than any other candidate).

Ron Paul 2008!

Stop accepting the status quo and shake it up a bit!

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vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:06:00 GMT

Wednesday, December 19, 2007

NH- Clinton-31 Obama-28, Clinton up SIX from last poll.

"It’s way too early for New York Senator Hillary Clinton and her team to celebrate, but the former First Lady has gained back some lost ground in the state of New Hampshire.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone poll in the state finds Clinton with support from 31% of Likely Primary Voters while Barack Obama has earned the vote from 28%. Those figures are the reverse of last week’s total and reflect a net six point gain for Clinton. In late November, Clinton had a seven-point lead in New Hampshire."

Presented without comment, though there will probably a couple of comments soon...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_hampshire/election_2008_new_hampshire_democratic_primary

Van

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Terry, Omaha, Neb. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:06:04 GMT

Sierra,SF, on WHAT BASIS was/is Ted Kennedy EVER a "GOOD MAN"? In this life, or the past???

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GF, San Diego — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:09:54 GMT

The only poll that counts is the New Hampshire Bus Poll. That the one where a bus load of journalists will pick the "comeback kid" of 2008. The "kid" will get uncritical coverage and everyone else will get trashed.

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Connor Christian, Atlanta GA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:10:01 GMT

Hahaha Who is this clown who believes that Huckabee will be president 'Just like Reagan'? Huckabee is a racist theist with about a 7th grade understanding of world politics and diplomacy. Keep listening to Sean Hannity and esposing this garbage while we all laugh at your miniature intellect and penchant for reguratating whatever you hear from hate-monger radio. Huckabee isn't qualified to be a city counselmen much less president. Keep dreaming

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Childers, Oxford, MS — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:13:00 GMT

I like that Obama feller, he's been real square with folks. I reckon that I aim to vote for him.

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E Mac, Houston — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:15:12 GMT

I wasn't saying I was going to vote for him. I just said that is the way it will most likely work out. You being from ATL should know how the bible belt works.

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Jim, Hortonville, WI — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:17:55 GMT

Ron Paul will win the GOP nomination. He has a lot of momentum coming at just the right time

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--NSMSNBC — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:19:57 GMT

Oh boy Van, a media matters source. Democrats really do need to stop bitching. It is true that Democrats prefer to bitch and Republicans do. The fact that you think these examples proves anything is, in fact, laughable. All it proves is that you're too sensitive, like anecdotal evidence w/o context and don't understand the point of the questions. For example, what was Sen. Rick Santorums response to the "big-government socialist?" Certainly a fair question to ask. I bet if you asked Mr. Matthews, he tell you that she is not.

He was critical of Bill’s indiscretions, sure. He may have voted for Bush, but he can’t acknowledge that until after the fact. Would you have him not vote? He is also very critical of Bush and the War now. He tries to be right, and I think he does a good job. And no, we probably will have to agree to disagree. : )

Ian Dee, Calgary, AB--And yet the Senators keep trying.

There is no mystery here. Clinton is white and Obama is black ...
Case, Oakland, CA
Would you be afraid of Obama painting the White House black? Ha! The Black House. Would you worry that Clinton would order the destruction of the many phallic pillars in Washington. I don't think so. I don't know, I guess I prefer to celebrate differences, unless somebody is nuts of course.

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Christy — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:20:49 GMT

WHERE DID DAVID ANDERS GET THAT HILLARY WOULD HAVE GEORGE DUMB ASS BUSH WORKING FOR HER. FROM MY RECORDS HE IS GOING TO BE PROSECUTED AFTER HIS TERM. LET HER JUST DO HER JOB. I HATE BLOGGING ITS BASED ON OPINION NOT FACTS. HERES A FACT HILLARY HAS MY VOTE!
HILLARY 08!

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Bob Miller, Little Rock, AR — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:26:22 GMT

Neither Hillary nor Obama will pull out of Iraq before 2013. They couldn't even commit to that. RON PAUL will pull out just as orderly and quickly as we went in, but not just there - from a good number of places all around the world. I don't know how anyone who is for PEACE could vote for either of the top two democrats, especially once you look at what they're offering. We are already going broke as a nation - the Dems are just going to ninja-punch us over the edge. Just IMAGINE how much health insurance and other necessities you'll be able to afford when Ron Paul abolishes the IRS!

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Kathryn in Bham — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:29:55 GMT

Wow - I'm trying to keep up with you all today...
First I have to respond to the comment from Connor in ATL...what do you base your view of Mike Huckabee on? How can you say that he is racist? The only intolerance I see is yours...

Now Tracy in Dallas -
There is in fact a candidate who is for moving this country forward in a positive direction, for REAL change and for bringing us together as a nation. That is Mike Huckabee. I think that if Ron Paul had the same years in the White House that Bill Clinton had, where domestic issues were the bulk of what was on the table as opposed to a raging war, he would do some good. However, we need someone who knows where we are and how to handle the current situation we're in (yes, guys, like it or not we are at war and cannot just pull our troops out and close the books on Iraq/Iran/Afganistan/etc...) and can effectively change the direction we are going and swing the momentum in our favor. Hillary is too polarizing despite the fact that she does have the political experience. I would like to know more about Barack's faith, about exactly what he does and does not believe and his upbringing. That would put to rest alot of rumors! Still, the candidate who has what it takes and is a man of integrity we can trust is MIKE HUCKABEE!

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Wilkes B, Greensboro, NC — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:32:36 GMT

It's going to be really funny when Ron Paul places first in Iowa and New Hampshire and the MSM is forced to mention the good doctor and touch on his ideas. Take a look at the platforms of these individual candidates and it is clear that Ron Paul understands America's problems and has a real plan for freedom, peace, and prosperity. The polls quoted by msnbc and other media owned by multi-national corporations are only counting phone landlines of those who voted GOP in the 2004 primary. Along with attracting people from across the spectrum, Ron Paul is a true Jeffersonian (endorsed by the Jefferson Republicans), and GOP primary voters themselves will naturally turn on and tune in in the next few weeks. Go Dr. Paul!

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Lisa, Columbia, MO — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:34:35 GMT

"Regardless of who the Dem nominee is, it's going to be very difficult for us to make the case for him or her if its either Edwards, Obama, or Clinton when compared to either Romney, Huckabee, or Guiliani."

Each of those Republicans also come with their own big negatives. Diehard evangelicals won't vote for Romney no matter what because they believe Mormonism is a "cult". Huckabee will scare off any moderate and liberal leaning Republicans. If Guiliani gets it, there's no point in the Christian base (who put Bush into office) to vote. He's no different on abortion, gun control, gay marriage than any Democrat. Unless, of course, Republicans are stupid enough to believe his backpedaling on those social issues. Guiliani would never in a million years push to make abortion illegal and that's a top Christian conservative objective. They'll all just stay home.

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Billy — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:40:24 GMT

To the guy who said everyones on drugs better have a drug test himself !!!!!!

Hillary Clinton will be our next president.

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john — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:42:23 GMT

read all the posts from Texans and you get the same garbage, same themes. democrats are bad and corrupt, republicans are good and honest. of course, bush is from Texas and if not the most corrupt administration in our history he is in the top two. go figure. must be the water.

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Jim Kennett Sqaure PA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:42:27 GMT

Hillary has 35 years of being corupt. If she is elected you might as well replace old glory with a sickle and hammer?

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:47:25 GMT

".....When I hear about such and such percent of Californians believe Hillary is the most electable, I think about the 40% of Americans that still believe Saddam had something to do with 9/11 terrorist attacks. The data and FACTS just don't support either popularly held opinion. FACT: Most head-to-head match-up polls show Obama and Edwards defeating their Republican rivals by greater margins than Hillary does. ....."
Michael D. Hafer, Fort Wayne, Indiana (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:42 PM)

No Michael, that is not "a fact."
It is, in fact, "a LIE!"
Pollingreport.com has MULTIPLE polls, all showing that Hillary beats EVERY republican....while Obama TIES John McCain at 48% each.
Here's the website http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

sorry Mike, nice try but no cigar

HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT 2008! ***Experience Counts***

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:51:02 GMT

Personally, I would think Senator Kennedy's endorsement would be very important to whomever he chooses. Much more important than the endorsement of a movie or TV star because as a politician he could throw the weight(no pun intended) of his support staff behind the candidate he chooses. He undoubtedly knows politicians that might be amenable to his persuasion in most, if not all, of our states. I am sure that there are numbers of people who might find it prudent to voter for the candidate of his choice, or who would do so just to curry favor with him.
Dot, Illinois (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:10 PM)

I think Obama would have a hard time selling a Kennedy endorsement to his supporters who back him for change and an end to the Washington way of life. If anyone exemplifies the Washington way of life, it is a Kennedy, and particularly Teddy.

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J.J.C. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:52:35 GMT

WHAT'S THIS ABOUT OBAMA USING COCAINE ?

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Jennifer, Little Rock AR — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:57:18 GMT

I live in AR.....Hucks campaign has purposefully kept Janet on a tight leash. When they let her go, it will be Hucka bye bye.......

She is a bigger idiot than him

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Rick Houston TX — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:05:20 GMT

If your reading this article and these comments then you should have a look at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21116732 Go to all users tab.
This chart clearly shows people are seeing past the hype of Clinton/Thompson/Edwards/Obama/Huckabee, or Guiliani crap and are seeing a person who really stands for what he belives... past party lines and into what is good for America.
Ron Paul Revolution

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Jon Juan, Nashville, TN — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:06:45 GMT

It has been apparent to me for the last few months that the political commentators have a general dislike (putting it kindly) for the Clintons. Chris Matthews made remarks disapproving of Hillary's laughing, clapping, using a shrill voice and he has virtually denounced everything uttered by President Clinton as political hype. Matthews appears eager to denounce Clinton after every debate and crown Obama winner when it is the general consensus that Clinton is the defined winner except perhaps the Philly debate. It is also apparent the media has a love affair for Obama however they will be covering a Republican White House for the next 4 years should he win the Democratic nomination. Hillary may "triangulate" on some of the issues but she is a realistic politician and knows that answering hypothetical scenarios and taking an idealistic view may make for a nice speech but could lead to political suicide in the general election.

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Dot, Illinois — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:17:39 GMT

Carrie

I agree. Because he is such an insider he does seem to typify all Senator Obama is campaigning against--but as an insider he probably does have some political muscle.

Of course, the fact that Senator Obama is from Illinois would almost certainly mean he would get the endorsement of Mayor Richard Daley of Chicago and Gov B, two people who are the epitome of political cronies and politics as usual. Gov B is under investigation for financial irregularities and it seems Mayor Daley is always being investigated for something, so I wonder how Senator Obama will deal with those endorsements, assuming he gets them?

Keep us posted--as an Iowan, you tend to be our source of what is really going on there.

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:25:42 GMT

Terry, Omaha, Neb: '...Sierra,SF, on WHAT BASIS was/is Ted Kennedy EVER a "GOOD MAN"? In this life, or the past???....'

Ted Kennedy has been the steadiset liberal leader in DC for years !!
Unlike the 'experienced' candidates, he voted AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR
Good enough for me....

Carrie, Eastern Iowa : '...I think Obama would have a hard time selling a Kennedy endorsement to his supporters who back him for change...'

Unlike Hillary, Ted Kennedy votes AGAINST the Iraq War
Kennedy is a REAL DEMOCRAT (unlike Billary)

Ted has been a liberal stalwart for ages....
Unlike your DLC clowns (Bill, Hillary, Joe Lieberman, Al Gore....)
Ted OPPOSED NAFTA and deregulation....

But, his endorsement will only have a big effect BEFORE the Iowa caucus

Funny, Carrie you claim to be a Biden supporter, but you almost NEVER post about Bidne....
It's always Hillary or Obama.....
Strange, isn't it ?

van:
I only post under my own name....
Unlike you who posts as Dickie Flatts, Susan,Miami, Tofun,Disney and all those posts about cocaine and black candidates .....
COWARD !!!

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:27:09 GMT

Dot:

I wish I could take the next 2 weeks off work and just wander around from one campaign event to the next. I would have a full schedule every single day!

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ace p washington, d.c. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:29:13 GMT

emery, you make a good point, but this poll is not indicative of the majority of african americans either. as time goes on i believe that you will find that the majority of blacks do not subscribe to your theory as a whole. i would venture to speculate that in various parts of the country the sentiment and what is important to blacks will vary.

i think as some realize that he has a chance to win they will lean in his favor. young blacks more so than most. there are those that don't think a black man can win or have a honest chance to win (i feel sorry for those who concede defeat so easily).

then there are those such as yourself that believe experience is the only remedy to solving the problems that the present administration has created and those problems that existed prior to this administration as well.

i would suggest to you that there were 3 times in history that america was at it's best. neither of those times was a president in place with extensive federal or elected federal experience. this includes bill clinton (he was one of those presidents-despite all the scandals).

experience is an asset, but it is not a prerequisite for success as a president. good judgement is as crucial. each president has had advisers. it is the judgement that a president uses when being advised by the folks around him that will make a difference.

we have officials that have plenty of experience and aren't even being considered (biden for one). we have people with a lot of experience that have gotten us in to one of the worst situations this country has ever been in. experience can be overrated as history shows repeatedly.

judgement, vision, honest, morality, ethics and transparency are going to be what this country is going to need to regain the trust of the american public and the world in order to have cooperation that will allow government to be succesful as a whole again in the representation of us all.

if anyone, not just blacks believe that experience in how to get around washington, use the right sound bites, have the right money people in place and having yes men or women in place is a prescription for our countries illness, i ask you this, could we be setting ourselves up for the mistakes of history past?

i am sure that everyone has a candidate they feel fills the need of the next president. i do think we should not ignore history, especially recent history when making our decision.

it is not about familiar names, who has the most experience or something as simple as who has been around the longest. it is about change. to suggest that the majority of blacks are going to represent hillary because of her experience may be presumeing a bit much so early int the race.

i think the black vote is as unpredicatable as any other.

i do believe that history has showed us repeatedly that to do the same thing repeatedly and expect change is not being true to one's self. i just don't think that we can have change and expect it with an estalishment candidate. it doesn't mean i'm right, but history doesn't disagree.

look at the last 60 years of the presidency in history. the establishment candidates have been trouble because of entrenched points of view and favors due corporate america. the only one that didn't have a long history in washington was bush 2. even with him he was the establishments candidate. so was nixon.

i think the irony to that would have been biden, but we both know he is not going to survive iowa. i respect the point you are making, but blacks are to independent thinking and intelligent to be in march step with others think. especially a majority. i realize hillary is your candidate, but the black vote will be spread around amongst hillary, edwards, obama biden and richardson. if it comes down to hillary and obama then it will become more obvious. with john edwards(john has better numbers among blacks than being indicated) in the picture the claim you are making cannot be rightfully asserted by poll numbers. At leastnot this soon.

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Darlene Dublin Ohio — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:30:01 GMT

I would like MSNBC to stop Chris Matthews from showing his real hate foe the Clintons. I always liked hardball but Matthews dislike for Hillary is so bad I think he should go over to Fox TV to get a job.Take Tucker with him. I am going to CNN.

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Kathryn in Bham — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:31:27 GMT

Jon Juan-
Do you honestly believe that the commentators here are against Hillary? Were you around yesterday? The correspondant in the field reported on the 'circus' of a public appearance in a local grocery store, but when the comentator here recapped it, it was portrayed as an entirely different event - somewhat downplayed I would say. I think we all see what we want to see in this. It is very subjective (on the part of the bloggers)-

There are several things I would like to see. For starters, I would like to know both Hillary and Barack's stance on the faith issues. They both privately profess their faith - I would like to know more about what they believe, just to get both a personal knowledge of who they are and where they are coming from, as well as a perspective into what positions they may/may not be sympathetic to. I would also like to know what role Bill Clinton would play in Hillary's White House if she were to become president. Would he have a position in her administration at all? Would he play the ambassador role? I would be curious as to where this would take him and how that might affect her time in the White House. I would think it would be unreasonable to believe he would play no part at all, which means makes me wonder whether or not we would in effect have him as a 'co-president'. I am not suggesting anything, just wondering if anyone else has a thought on the matter...

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vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:41:16 GMT

van:
I only post under my own name....
Unlike you who posts as Dickie Flatts, Susan,Miami, Tofun,Disney and all those posts about cocaine and black candidates .....
COWARD !!!

Sierra, SF (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:25 PM)

Sierra-

Guess you read my post and this is your, "reply".

my sympathies to those who are forced to tolerate you in real life.

Van
(like I said, "No class.")

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Todd... Boise, Idaho — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:44:13 GMT

I support Huckabee.

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Ron, TX — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:52:38 GMT

Van
(like I said, "No class.")

vanreuter, NY NY (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:41 PM)

Oh come on Van, you have a -little- class... I wouldn't go so far as to say you have NO class. You just aren't good at developing arguments beyond name-calling, but you ARE a Hillary supporter, so no surprises there.

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Pete Z. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:01:21 GMT

Carrie, Eastern Iowa *** I wish I could take the next 2 weeks off work and just wander around from one campaign event to the next. I would have a full schedule every single day! ***

For the amount you post here, it looks like you might have the time to do it. Are you on vacation, unemployed, or retired? If your working, you either got a great boss, or you don't get much done.

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MK, Los Angeles, California — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:22:54 GMT

"Polling aficionados beware"

Hey Chuck here is some good advice to give --- DON'T LOOK AT INDIVIDUAL POLLS, LOOK AT SITES LIKE REALCLEARPOLITICS.COM THAT TAKE ALL THE MOST RECENT POLLS AND THEN AVERAGE THEM OUT. By averaging all the polls it diminishes the impact obvious "outlier" polls like CNN's twelve point bommerang in less than a week have. There may be shifts but I've never seen anything that dramatic in such a short span of time.

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O. PETERSON — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:32:08 GMT

DID SOMEONE SAY OBAMA HAD A DRUG TEST FOR "COCAINE" ?

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Lee Tibbs, Spokane, Wa. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:34:31 GMT

WHICH CANDIDATE TOOK COCAINE ?

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MK, Los Angeles, California — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:36:32 GMT

"In the last 12 hours, two Iowa polls showed two dramatically different results. One (Washington Post/ABC) had Obama in first and another (Insider Advantage) had him in third. Edwards was in third in one (Washington Post/ABC) and first in the other (Insider Advantage). What gives?"

Chuck what gives is that you did not take a closer look at the Insider Advantage poll -- among "highly likely" voters Obama leads 27 to 26 over Edwards with Clinton at 24. Looking at the numbers does get rid of the "wide divergence" between the two polls.

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Disgusted — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:50:27 GMT

Which candidate didn't inhale? Which candidate is a lesbian? The answer is Hillary Clinton...

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:59:57 GMT

For the amount you post here, it looks like you might have the time to do it. Are you on vacation, unemployed, or retired? If your working, you either got a great boss, or you don't get much done.
Pete Z. (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:01 PM)

Hardly any of your business, now is it? But it's nice to know that random men on the internet keep such close tabs on me.

Cue the scary music.

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L.T. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:30:53 GMT

NO I THINK IT WAS OBAMA WHO TOOK "COCAINE"? WHEN WAS IT THE "LAST" TIME HE TOOK "COCAINE? LET'S ASK HIM. OR BETTER YET , LET'S GET A DRUG TEST DONE.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:40:23 GMT

"Oh come on Van, you have a -little- class... I wouldn't go so far as to say you have NO class. You just aren't good at developing arguments beyond name-calling, but you ARE a Hillary supporter, so no surprises there.

Ron (scroll), TX (Sent Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:52 PM)"

It's a shame that you are not equipped to be able to grasp the unintentional, ironic, albeit sad joke made here at your own expense.

Maybe someone will help you by reprinting some of your , "arguments", and the courteous way you engage in them that has led to the universal respect and admiration ( dare I say reverence?) you are held held in by all here.

Van
(you seem to have missed class)

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B.O. Chicago , ill. — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:48:24 GMT

I no longer inhale "cocaine" " trust me "

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Classic side show//AZ — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:53:43 GMT

Nothing but BLA BLA BLA!

Would you think so many dumpster divers would have a computer. Must be plugged into the wall socket next to their dumpster. Its not the Candidate to fear, It is the freak who casts his vote!! All this posting has been summed as complete garbarge. If it were time to vote: There is not one od these self sering paper hangers that is quaified to be the next President!

The candidates polictical views are total Bull Shiet, Every election they come to a point of slinging mud. They make projections which in reality someone will be taxed. The self serving agenda paid for by the hidden high roller. Back room deals and money flows like water.. But there is truth ""Money talks and bull sheit walks"". If you didn't pay hundreds of thousands then you are not part of the Jacka@@ club. And for the dumpster diving club, hang in as your remarks are free speech.

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Brent, Seattle, WA — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:55:57 GMT

If any of you believe that these pollsters are non-biased, and have your interests in mind, you are sadly mistaken. Ron Paul raised a record $6 million dollars IN ONE DAY, yet his name wasn't listed on the polls. The revolution is on, and none of these pollsters/pundits want to acknowledge this fact. Ron Paul is for liberty, freedom from government, fiscal responsibility, and no pork barrel spending. No wonder these guys are running scared; they'll lose their government entitlements!! Think of this scenario for a second:
1) No IRS, no income tax
2) No war, no foreign occupation
3) No CIA, no FDA, no paying into a Social Security Administration that can't pay back what you're putting in!!

GO RON PAUL!!

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phillyinpa — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:20:21 GMT

how can anyone in their right mind even consider voting for obama. remember, you are going to elect the leader of the most powerful nation in the world and you're willing to let someone with almost zero experience be your leader. you have to got to be crazy to even consider this. our next leader not only has to correct all the harm that has been done by this last administration, they also have to be ready to lead this country back to prosperity. they also have to be ready to confront some of the most unpredictable leaders in the world,such as, putin of russia, ahmadinajad of iran, il of north korea and handle the unrest in the middle east. do you for one minute think someone like obama is capable of doing this? these people will walk all over him. they will have him shaking in his boots. there is no way he is ready to handle this. he has absolutely no idea what this job entails. and please do not take his upbringing so lightly. he was raised as a muslim and his step brothers are still muslims. wouldn't that be enough to scare anyone. he never mentions them. WHY? are they waiting until he's president to make their move? would you like muslims running this country? do not think for one minute this can't happen do not be swayed by celebrity or impassioned speaches. vote for a strong leader based on experience and knowledge of the job. clinton or edwards would be your best choice and remember, with hillary you get bill. now that's a team. the 90's under clinton were exceptionaly good for everyone. vote wisely, please!!!!!

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Norm Cordon, Petaluma, CA — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:44:19 GMT

When are the people in this country going to wake up and realize that Iowa and New Hampshire don't represent the entire country. It's all about bringing money to their repective states. It's time we demanded a ONE DAY vote for all states.

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virgilh, Las Vegas, NV — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:19:50 GMT

OMG!!!! The sky might well fall if Americans actually voted their beliefs and NOT with the pollsters. Although, it is "only natural" to want to vote for the winner!

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Reggie Boykins, St. Louis, MO — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:03:36 GMT

The real problem with polls is, they intentionally tend to influence outcomes. You and I live in the same community; if I tell you that 66% of the people I've spoken to said they will attend the community's holiday dance would you change plans you have already made? (I spoke with 3 of my personal friends...our community is comprised of 1850 families). So, know what you are going to do people. Stop being so whimsical with your decisions based on "polls.". Choose your candidate, support them, and vote for them as long as they are in the race.