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Terry — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:22:39 GMT

First Read – How have you missed this one? During an interview with Fox&Friends, the candidate that you guys don’t like was asked his opinion about the Huckabee Christmas add. He quoted Sinclair Lewis and said "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Here is the video, which is reaching viral status: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrkltetQ0x4

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May — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:34:41 GMT

Oprah might just as well have stayed home and hung out with her gal pal Gayle. It was hoped her recent appearances on the campaign trail to promote the presidential aspirations of her friend Barack Obama would have dazzled women voters. But noooo . . .new poll released Wednesday by Lifetime Networks and Zogby International. And what the pollsters found was that Oprah made little difference in the way women are looking at the candidates. In fact, with some groups of women, Oprah's efforts actually backfired. 73% of women said it made no difference to their campaign choices at all. Voters don't want "to have their entertainment figures involved in political support," explained Fritz Wenzel, director of communications at Zogby International.Women say they don't feel obliged to support Clinton because she is a woman; they support her because she is a strong, smart woman and a role model, according to the poll. That is especially true for minority women who say they are more interested in supporting Clinton because she is a woman than they are in voting for Obama because he is a minority candidate. 32 percent of Democratic women trust Clinton, followed by Obama at 19 percent. Now we just have to get more women elected at all levels of government if we really want to make a difference. You go girls!

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:40:23 GMT

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Rick, WS, NC — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:53:33 GMT

i'll tell you right now that our founding fathers are spinning in their graves over the new religious litmus test being applied....people not in the "right" religious branch should be scared, very very scared of the trend towards making us all evangelical christians or else nonsense...

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Rudy, NYC — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:54:12 GMT

Free America, kill an evangelical

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OH My — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:58:01 GMT

Hey May...why don't you get your SISTER to have her brother pay his child support:

December 20, 2007 -- Owe, brother!
Hillary Rodham Clinton's youngest sibling is a deadbeat dad who owes tens of thousands of dollars in child support to his politically connected ex, The Post has learned.
In a disclosure that could prove embarrassing for his sister, Anthony Rodham has stiffed his former wife, Nicole Boxer, out of $75,000 in child support, as well as $55,000 in alimony, a source close to the case said.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12202007/news/nationalnews/hills_brother_a_deadbeat_514395.htm

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Ron, TX — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:58:34 GMT

Kerrey apologizes to Obama over Muslim remark, offers glowing endorsement, sounds better than statement he made in regards to Clinton.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/kerrey-apologizes-to-obama-for-muslim-comments/

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M. G. Hollingsworth, Knoxville, TN — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:59:13 GMT

I can't see what all the fuss is about, really. All this to find out who will get 42% of the national vote -- oh wait, if the nominee is Huckabee, make it 39%. Pay attention to the Democratic side, because whomever wins it is easily the next President. In a landslide.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:04:53 GMT

First Read is caving into pressure from the Obama-Rama-Ding-Dongs who routinely terrorize its' message boards.
Any positive news about Hillary is referred to as "bias," and the truth about Obama is "smear."
Hillary is more than 20 points ahead of Obama nationally.
But, First Read brings up the unproven "negative" statistic, which no one ever talked about before this election cycle.
First read also fails to mention that Hillary beats EVERY Republican candidate head to head in EVERY poll...but Obama does not.
I've heard some experts say they think the polling numbers are wrong, because the demographics don't match up with who usually votes for who, and why.
Throw shakey independents who's affections are as fickle as Jessica Simpson into the mix, and you've got yourself a horserace that probably isn't going to be over until late in the primary selection process.
Whatever happens, whoever wins, I hope The Democratic Party selects someone who will energize its' base. Not someone who appeals mostly to independents, as Obama does.

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Bee, NH — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:05:04 GMT

National polls are all about notoriety, it is meaningless at this point. Focus on NH, IA, SC, and NV.

That been said, I think Hillary Clinton is the weakest candidate in the race. Her negatives won't make independent leaning democrats like me vote for her.

Negatives like: Hillary Care, Secrecy in Government, Fear of retribution if she is elected, demonizing her Republican and Democratic Opponent, Shady deal involving donation, Pork barrel Spending, and Drugs cover up in Arkansas and Exploiting Seniors in the state of Arkansas. There are so many negatives that come with Hillary Clinton. Democratic Party will regret nominating her – just kiss the election good bye.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:07:35 GMT

I see it is now a two horse race on the dem side but still a fight to the finish on the GOP side. Polls mean nothing, we will find out who is the real Mccoy's and who are the prima donnas January 3rd....

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Hillary R.C. — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:09:34 GMT

Hey! Did you hear the news? Obama is a Muslim!

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Bee, NH — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:10:25 GMT

The Clintons are so good at throwing mud and apologizing later. This is what they do best; they are such a liar and will do anything to destroy their opponent.

Like i have said before, i don't see my self voting for Hillary. It is just impossible for me to do, no matter the amount of Ads i see on TV. I'd rather stick with the republican or cast my vote for any independent that is on the ticket.

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diane — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:12:33 GMT

Jay Cost has a very good article on the obsession with the horserace and how this knocked Hillary off her game.
Penn is taken to task for his utter failure in seeing outside the polls and spin. And the press is also blamed for their focusing solely on polls and calling the race based only on this and therefore, missing alot of things that were going on in the campaigns.
Most notably, they, along with Clinton, were caught totally off guard with Obama's surge. If both Clinton's camp and the press looked up from the polls they could have seen he was laying down groundwork for a battle in the winter.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/12/why_did_clinton_overlook_obama.html

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Lek — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:14:47 GMT

I expect Obama to take the Clinton's on regarding their mail attack. There is some mail that is being circulated in the South touting how Obama is a Muslim. The Clinton campaign is responsible for this mail and i am pretty sure they will deny it when they get caught.

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:15:23 GMT

'...One of the reasons for Giuliani’s decline is that he’s not seen as likeable to voters as he once was. Back in March, he had a 58%-14% fav/unfav rating. Now it’s 37%-37%...'

Who does THAT sound like ?
Hillary's favorable to unfavorable ratings must be similar......
Except her unfavorablility is always around 45%

Unlovable little Hillary

The Paris Hilton of the Democratic party
She's famous for being famous (or infamous)

What 'experience' ?
Hillary has NO FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE !!
She really wasn't Secretary of State
But, she's trying to ride that scam to the Whit House

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cms — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:15:24 GMT

How ridiculous and borderline dishonest. Why in the world does Obama need a Romney-like speech? In case you hadn't noticed, Romney is, indeed, Mormon. Obama is Christian. The last I saw, Christians do not have a problem getting elected in this country. And your citation of polls doesn't help support your absurd suggestion that Obama needs to "explain" his religion to the country in the way that Romney did.

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Mike, NH — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:15:53 GMT

We just had one two-faced back handed partisan President for 8 years. America cannot afford to go through that for another 4-8 years. Clinton will only stir the pot more, promising bitter fights agaisnt the Republicans, which will inevitably lead to NOTHING getting done.

Edwards, Obama, Biden, Richardson... I'll vote for ANY of them over Clinton.

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William Jefferson C. — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:15:56 GMT

The end is near. See it at HillarySucks.com

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:16:57 GMT

"..... Pay attention to the Democratic side, because whomever wins it is easily the next President. In a landslide."

M.G. Hollingsworth,
I'm not so sure about that. I do not believe Obama would carry The South or The Southwest.
If he were to run against Giuliani, he would lose NY, and if he were to run against Romney he would lose Massachusetts. These are critical states that a Democrat cannot lose, and still expect to win a national election.
Hillary is the only candidate who beats ALL the Republicans head to head in EVERY poll.
We need to be smart about who we pick. Right now, I fear we're beeing hoodwinked by Rush Limbaugh types, and by independents who change political candidates almost as many times as Imelda Marcos changes her shoes.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:18:11 GMT

Using another candidate to smear mud at your chief rival?

Another dirty trick by Clinton Inc......

Would take 20 years to confess to a priest.....
All the dirtiness in their lives...

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RGO, California — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:19:52 GMT

Jerry it seems like that constant badgering of Hillary by the GOP has hurt Giuliani the most ... keep up the good work ... Mrs. Clinton's commanding 18 point lead over all other candidates can hardly be categorized as a two horse race ... I guess it will be a Merry Christmas after all :)

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:20:59 GMT

Can't help it
The girl can't help it

From the LA Times:

'...Clinton toeing the line of campaign negativity

With voting starting in two weeks, she and aides are
taking subtle digs at Obama.

By Peter Nicholas, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
December 20, 2007
CORALVILLE, IOWA -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton
doesn't tell Iowa voters that in his younger days, her
chief rival for the Democratic nomination behaved
badly. She never lays out incidents from Sen. Barack
Obama's past that could be exploited in a general
election contest; doing so might be considered an
unseemly personal attack.

But with the Iowa caucuses just two weeks away, she is
sidling up to that fine line -- and, in some cases,
her campaign surrogates are fleshing out what the
candidate leaves unsaid.

Nominating Obama would be a gamble, the senator from
New York is suggesting to crowds. Republicans would
surely and swiftly make him a target.

Speaking at an antique-car museum here the other day,
Clinton said that a major consideration should be
which Democratic candidate is most likely to withstand
the looming Republican attack and win in 2008.

Recent polling shows that Obama would be competitive
in the general election; a USA Today-Gallup poll
showed that he fares a bit better than Clinton in
head-to-head contests with three top Republicans.

But Clinton's message is that once the GOP finishes
sullying him, he won't look so pristine. In contrast,
she is, she said, "ready and able to run a campaign
against whatever" -- a word she emphasized -- "the
Republicans decide to throw our way."

In addressing voters, she does not specify what
"whatever" might encompass, nor does she mention Obama
by name. But some of her surrogates have.

During a recent newspaper interview, her New Hampshire
campaign co-chairman invoked Obama's teenage drug use,
which the senator from Illinois has publicly
discussed. Such indiscretions, said Bill Shaheen,
could make Obama vulnerable.

"It'll be, 'When was the last time? Did you ever give
drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?' "
Shaheen said.

Clinton's campaign repudiated the remarks, and Shaheen
quickly resigned. But there have been other cases of
Clinton aides and loyalists zeroing in on aspects of
Obama's history that she won't publicly mention.

In a television appearance, her top strategist, Mark
Penn, used the word "cocaine" in talking about the
Shaheen episode. An advisor to another campaign jumped
in and chided Penn for making a gratuitous reference.

Former Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.), who endorsed Clinton
on Sunday, later gave an interview where he mentioned
Obama's middle name -- "Hussein," a family name -- and
added that Obama's Kenyan father and paternal
grandmother were Muslim (the candidate is Christian).

Kerrey has said that he was merely trying to
compliment Obama, casting him as a worldly figure --
but his words could also serve to agitate voters.

Interviewed by Charlie Rose on PBS, former President
Clinton questioned Obama's seasoning. The whole
election, he said, will turn on whether "no experience
matters."

"In theory," said Bill Clinton, who faced similar
criticism when he ran for president as the 45-year-old
governor of a small Southern state, "we could find
someone who is a gifted television commentator and let
them run."

Obama goes after Sen. Clinton in a different fashion.
He has accused her of equivocating on policy
positions. He has also voiced doubts that she would
bring about real change, dismissing a Hillary Clinton
presidency as "Bush-Cheney lite."

Campaigning in New Hampshire on Wednesday, he mocked
Clinton -- without mentioning her by name -- for
refusing to act without "poll-testing" the
consequences, and he suggested that she wants the
presidency for the wrong reasons.

"I'm not running because I think this is owed to me,
because I think it's my turn," he said.

With so little time before the first contests, Clinton
is making what advisors call her closing argument. She
invokes her battles with Republicans dating to the
early 1990s as testament to her staying power.

"The Republicans won't give up without a fight, will
they?" she said earlier this month in Winterset.
"They're not going to say, 'we messed it up; we should
just be ashamed of ourselves and leave.' They're going
to launch their political attacks. I think I'm the
best, most tested person to withstand that, having
survived it now for 15 years."

There are voters who find this persuasive. A new Field
Poll survey of California voters showed that Democrats
indeed believe Clinton to be more likely to prevail
over the Republicans.

But the other leading Democratic candidates reject
that argument. A spokesman for Obama predicted
Wednesday that if Clinton is the nominee, she could
win only by the slimmest of margins. The thinking
behind that view is Clinton is a partisan figure who
will drive away Republican and independent voters.

A spokeswoman for John Edwards' presidential campaign
said the former North Carolina senator can appeal to
Southern voters in ways that the other contenders
cannot.

Obama did not directly address the continuing remarks
from the Clinton camp during his events Wednesday in
Manchester and Concord, N.H. But Ric Hopkins, a
53-year-old undecided voter who said he was still
considering the entire Democratic field, as well as
long-shot GOP candidate Rep. Ron Paul, said the
Clinton campaign's recent attacks on Obama's
experience were upsetting and could backfire in New
Hampshire.

"They're trying to hang this inexperience -- 'you're
rolling the dice, he's a greenhorn, he doesn't know
what he's doing' thing on him -- but I think that's a
cheap shot. Negativity does not play well."

peter.nicholas@latimes.com....'

Hillary is a gutter campaiigner
How will she unite the nation when she's doing gutter campaigning ?
What would she do in the Presidential campaign ?
Hillary is unlovable and unelectable

Her surrogates are spreading smears and fear
Straight from the Republican playbook

Is THAT what America needs after 15 years of division and extreme partisanship ?

Just say no to smears

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Travis, Louisville, Ky. — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:22:21 GMT

Scroll, if I've told you once I've told you a thousand times - not only am I not going to regret Hillary's nomination, I am going to revel in the complete across the board sweep in 2008.

You say Hillary will bring a Repug back to office? Wrong, Hillary being in the contest energizes everyone who's sick of how America is getting ruined daily by people who have no grasp of the constituencies they "speak for" Hillary guarantees everyone who's sick of this trash in D.C. running things right now comes out and votes in droves.

Watch it happen.

And Lek, those are some pretty strong allegations... borderline slander and most likely libel as well, funny how everyone who critisizes Hillary does exactly what she "does" and more.

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Sean — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:22:55 GMT

Bee: "Like i have said before, i don't see my self voting for Hillary."

You have us all shocked, Bee! We all had mistaken you for a die hard Clinton supporter.

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Pacheck, Huntington Beach, Ca. — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:23:01 GMT

Remenber that polls are conducted by special interest groups who are looking for a specific response to bolster their candidate. It's focus is to sway the person who is yet undecided. Don't be a sheep. Do a little investigation and make your own decision. Look what we got in office now for being complacent.

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Nashville_fan — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:23:56 GMT

I don't think that Senator Obama needs to give a speech with the theme "I'm a Christian". Anybody who wants to know does or can easily find out. I think the only reason it is an issue is because SOMEONE (I wonder who?) is working very hard to make it one.

It is amazing to me that in a world filled with corrupt religious leaders and politicians who wrap themselves in religion for the public, and live debased lives in private, so many continue to find comfort in the empty displays of counterfit Christianity. The Bible says it best:

"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."
-Matthew 6: 5,6

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Richard in Idaho — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:24:31 GMT

MSNBC is amazingly biased. Ron Paul smashes all fund raising records but barely gets mentioned, until, its found out some no name racist is found to have given him $500. Then it makes a front page story.

Let us all ask ourselves what is it that most threatens us. For me it isn't the illegal aliens, abortion, or the "islamofascists." None of those issues has an impact on my day-to day life, but rather it is the sinking economy, the removal of civil liberties, and a growing nationalistic society that is seemingly complacent about the power government is exerting on their lives. I have yet to hear any candidate for president say they will repeal the Patriot Act, and end the war now. Hillary has committed to the Iraq war until 2013, and I seriously doubt she would give back any power accrued to the executive. Only Ron Paul has said he would end the war NOW, and repeal the un-Constitutional Patriot Act.

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:24:56 GMT

'... say they don't feel obliged to support Clinton because she is a woman; they support her because she is a strong, smart woman and a role model, according to the poll...'

Hillary is a 'strong' woman who let her husband cheat on her repeatedly...
That doesn't sound strong
That sounds like a woman with low self esteem

Hillary Clinton was the cuckolded wife of a mediocre President

Not very strong
Who's Willies' latest play mate ?

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Melanie, San Diego — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:25:55 GMT

Is anyone in the mainstream press looking into this story about John Edwards? I read that the LA Times has been sitting on a blockbuster scandal about a leading candidate. Is this it? If it is, the voters deserve to know the truth. if there is any, sooner, rather than later. The Enquirer has a lousy reputation, but they do have a knack for getting many of these types of stories correct. There must be some way for a more reputable news organization to check out the validity of this story, which is going to be seen by countless grocery shoppers in the next week. If it is a lie, Edwards deserves to have an apology from the Enquirer. If it is true, the voters deserve to know now, so that they may make an informed decision.

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Grace — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:26:10 GMT

J...why don't you wake up. Simply because she might be able to win the democratic primary doesn't mean she will win the GE. As the polls show she is within the margin of error with everyone. Very high negatives and poll internals show independants go to the republican.

Obama on the other hand beats the two leading Republicans easily...outside the margin of error. Very low negatives ( even after all of Hillary's Muslim,cocaine stories) and poll internals show he pulls more independants.

WAKE UP democrats as many have been saying ALL YEAR it takes more than just democrats to win the GE next November.

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V. Foster — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:27:07 GMT

Here's Hillary showing off her warmer side again. Her gift to Obama for Christmas? A prayer rug so he can pray to Mecca when ever he feels like it.

For Edwards, she's getting a crib, and a copy of Ann Coulters latest book.

And for Bill, she's getting him something to keep his cigars fresh. Something called a 'Monica'.

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Christine, Saint Louis, MO — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:27:17 GMT

This First Read issue mentions that Obama is a member of the Church of Christ. He actually is a member of the UNITED Church of Christ. Although this seems like simple semantics, these 2 denominations are quite different in their ideals and doctrines.

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Pablo Zed, Arlington, VA — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:28:25 GMT

Romney may have lied about watching father walk with MLK.

http://thephoenix.com/article_ektid53200.aspx

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Paul, NY, NY — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:29:50 GMT

Bee, NH

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.....your maniacal obsession with the anti-Clinton fervor is so tired. Every single day, post after post after post, whether it's relevant or not, just continuous unsubstantiated garbage.

Based on your posts, please, please do vote for a Republican - you're an embarassment to the Democratic Party.

HILLARY '08

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:31:02 GMT

Bee, NH: '...Like i have said before, i don't see my self voting for Hillary. It is just impossible for me to do, no matter the amount of Ads i see on TV. I'd rather stick with the republican or cast my vote for any independent that is on the ticket....'

You WON'T have to make that decision, Bee
Hillary's hous of cards will collasp after losses in Iowa and NH
Obama wins in those states will lead to a victory in SC (who knows what's happening in Nevada?)

That will quickly turn the races on Super Tuesday
Hillary had a 26% lead in California in October
That lead is down to 14% in December
Watch what happens AFTER Iowa !!

Keep up the good work, Bee !!

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CitizenJ — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:31:11 GMT

May (Sent Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:34 AM)

May,

The substantial effect of Oprah is not how many minds she personally changes just by showing up. It is how many people she gets to come see her, and thusly, see Obama. In that respect, she was very successful.

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Tom, Waldorf, MD — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:33:30 GMT

Regarding the poll on Obama. Obama is protestant but he is not a member of the Church of Christ. He is a member of the United Church of Christ. The two denominations have major differences in beliefs.
This just goes to show that people truly are unclear about what religion Obama actually is.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:33:45 GMT

What effect do you think McCain's resurgence in NH will mean to the DEMOCRATIC primary?

Van

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Kathryn in Bham — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:35:05 GMT

Lek -
I received an email SEVERAL months ago regarding Obama's background. I have no idea where it originated, but it was not a recent find. I would be interested to know whether or not it came from Hillary's campaign, however, when I researched the information, I found it to be true. I do not think that he is plotting the downfall of our nation, but I would think that his father's and step-father's influence may have some effect on how he views and would deal with the issues stemming from the muslim world. Would he be sympathetic/vulnerable to the muslim leaders? I AM NOT SAYING THAT HE WOULD - but I do wonder. I think he is a good man, but I'm not sure that he is best for the presidency.

And Rick and Rudy -
Mike Huckabee has not once tried to convert anyone, condemn anyone or persecute anyone based on his faith or differences in religion. Get your facts straight. He is no more trying to push his faith on you than Obama is trying to impose his - whatever that may be. The fact that he was a pastor does not mean that he is forcing you to convert to his beliefs. The media and his opponents are the ones who ask him about his faith and make that the key issue with him - so he is not manipulating the public/evangelicals by playing the 'christian card' - he is simply transparent enough that we get to know who he is and why he is. I wish the other candidates would be more transparent as well. It would make the task of choosing the right president much easier for all of us who truly want to put a trustworthy proven leader in the White House.
Huckabee for president!

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Dante — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:35:56 GMT

cms (Sent Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:15 AM)

Excellent point CMS!!!

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:37:02 GMT

Ron, TX: '...Kerrey apologizes to Obama over Muslim remark, offers glowing endorsement, sounds better than statement he made in regards to Clinton.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/20/kerrey-apologizes-to-obama-for-muslim-comments/
...'

And yet, Hillary's apologists were complaining about HER negative press coverage....

After all this sleazy camapigning ?
After all the gutter politics ?

Is this the woman to unite America ?

Paris Hilton would do a better job !!
How about Brittney Spears ?
She's 'experienced' !!

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Brian, Cedar Hill, TX — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:37:26 GMT

I don't care if they worship flying monkeys. I don't want to hear anybody preaching his beliefs from the presidential podium. Problems are taken care of by proper actions, not praying to your lord and saviour or bowing to mecca or dancing in jello.

We have a current president who pours forth his faith and he's the lyingest, most corrupt low-life our nation has ever had to endure. They all need to keep religion to themselves. Those spouting gospels and biblical verses will get no vote from me - to me, it's a sure sign of falsity and hypocracy.

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Chelse — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:38:11 GMT

Avoid the rush. HillarySucks.com

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redshift, spokane, wa — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:42:24 GMT

Sierra, SF:
i figured with cheney's office burning up we would be missing out on your "i'm against, not for" diatribes. glad you were able to grab your laptop and scoot.

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Daniel, NY — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:11:29 GMT

Another interesting news is a new North Carolina poll that has Elizabeth Dole surprisingly very vulnerable: http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2007/12/19/but-what-if-huckabee-loses.aspx

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:12:20 GMT

Hillary Clinton sends chills through some Western Democrats
She might scare voters away, say some party officials
By Thomas Burr
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 12/14/2007 10:04:43 PM MST

Posted: 10:03 PM- WASHINGTON - Should Sen. Hillary Clinton lead the Democratic Party's ticket next year, Western Democrats could face a lashing at the polls, one state party leader argues.
Wyoming Democratic Party Chairman John Millin says in a letter to the The Denver Post that Clinton is a polarizing figure and could scare voters away.
"If Hillary Clinton is our party's nominee, every Democratic candidate in Wyoming will be painted with that same liberal, big government brush," writes Millin, who is backing Clinton rival Barack Obama. "We will also be the target of the locker room jokes that rightfully belong to Bill Clinton."
Millin, who said he was speaking for himself and not his state organization, calls his warning the "dirty little secret of the Democratic Party." Other Democratic leaders in the West, though, distanced themselves from Millin on Friday.
Utah Democratic Party Chairman Wayne Holland acknowledged the idea that Clinton could harm other Democrats down the ticket but said Republicans are pushing that line to boost themselves in the region.

For all you Hillary lovers that seem to think this is going to be a cakewalk for her.....

Wonder why you don't hear of western demcrats standing up and screaming I'M FOR HILLARYYYYYYYYYY?

California and Oregon are the only two liberal nutstates that seem to be for her.....

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laura, texas — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:13:44 GMT

Please check you polls correctly. If you look the Dem's are only up against the Rep's by a mere 3%, but if you look at whom was polled you will notice that 10% more Dem's were polled than Rep's. So if the equal amount per party is polled Rep's would be up by 7%

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Pat Huntington NY — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:16:32 GMT

Huckabee supporters wake up! The US criticizes the middle east for having religious zealots running their countries, i.e. the mullahs running Iran is one example. If we elected Huckabee, we're electing another religious zealot to run our country...a baptist preacher and admitted christian fundamentalist. How can we have any credibility in the world if we elect him? Also, it would undoubtedly send a message to the middle east that we are indeed on a 21st Century Christian Crusade, and they will attack us with even more vengence. Electing Huckabee as president will be the worse thing ever to happen to the US.

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Sarah, Vienna, VA — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:17:17 GMT

Just posted about Hillary's negativity rating of 44%. Forgot to mention that only 42% liked her. Just wanted to clarify, so that people wouldn't think 56% liked her. No - only 42% like Mrs. Clinton. We Democrats WILL NOT win if she is the nominee. People know Hillary - and apparently only 42% like her. This is not rocket science people. She just can't win. Period.

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H.C. — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:28:11 GMT

HILLARY IS "SURGING" IN MOST RECENT POLLS... COME SEE WHY, I KNOW YOU WANT TO.. HILLARYCLINTON.COM

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Kimberly — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:29:07 GMT

Ha! Ha! made you look hillaryclinton.com

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MK,MO — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:30:45 GMT

edwards is the only dem that beats "all" repub candidates nation wide, clinton nor obama does

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:31:11 GMT

A NH endorsement for Obama:

Vote for your hopes and dreams
not for a political hack

http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071220/NEWS/712200386/-1/OPINION

'...Vote for Obama in Democratic primary Jan. 8
December 20, 2007 6:00 AM
All elections are unique, but not all of them are historically significant. We believe that the election of 2008 will prove to be one of the most important since Franklin Roosevelt brought this country a New Deal in 1932.

The Portsmouth Herald is endorsing Sen. Barack Obama as the Democratic choice in the New Hampshire primary because we believe he has a unique character and far-reaching vision to lead this country as it faces war abroad and economic instability at home. He is the 21st century candidate the country needs.

More than any of the other Democrats in the race, we believe Obama has made the most compelling and persuasive case for his candidacy. He has talked throughout this campaign about the "urgency of the now" but has shown patience to develop both his campaign and his proposals.

It has been our privilege to host candidate forums and see candidates react spontaneously to Seacoast residents, as well as to prepared questions. We see in Obama an exceptional intellect, strength of character and raw talent. He has the best intuitive grasp of the electorate we have encountered.

His purpose is simple: He is dedicated to government that is "competent and meets the needs of people—" all people. He knows he cannot achieve his purpose without an extraordinary team, one that is "short on drama and long on substance." To date, he has surrounded himself with just such teams, and it shows in his current surprising success, as well as past legislation.

He has tapped into the hunger for change among the electorate, but has made no promises that he can't keep. He has framed the problems in the country not by blaming one person such as President Bush, but by calling for collective responsibility from Republican and Democratic politicians and voters alike. He has framed the solutions in the same manner to allow the country to move forward. We have been impressed by his campaign's tone of pragmatic hope and partisan reconciliation.

We have seen his evolution as a candidate throughout this primary season. Of all the Democratic candidates, we believe Obama has the best chance to break through the partisan gridlock that has dominated our national politics for the past 15 years.

Change has been a much used — even overused — term this election season. Obama has communicated best both the challenges and opportunities facing the country. Whoever takes the presidential reins in January 2009 will face a daunting gauntlet of tough domestic and foreign policy choices on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, health care reform, international terrorism, global climate change and restoring trust in government and our constitution.

But it is not on policy distinctions that we make this choice. All of the Democratic candidates have produced volumes of thoughtful and detailed proposals, and with most, there are only shades of differences between them.

What separates Obama is a positive vision combined with a unique temperament for leadership. He combines the best attributes of natural competence and political inspiration. He inspires trust that he will make sound judgments.

Will he make mistakes through inexperience? Of course, every leader does. But he believes — and we believe — he will learn quickly, hire competently and steadily move his administration and our nation toward the goals set out in his campaign, by putting the White House back in touch with average people.

His unique biography and political resumé are worth a close look — especially his work as a community organizer, which allowed him a ground's eye view of the everyday frustrations faced by people. The curiosity he has shown on the campaign trail inspires confidence that he is ready for the job of president — and would use the bully pulpit effectively. The face he would present to the rest of the world and to America itself would be an extraordinary statement — and possibly go far in restoring the country's tattered international reputation.

One of the main objections to an Obama candidacy and possible presidency has been the question of experience. There is no question that Obama has made a meteoric rise as a national figure and that he doesn't have extensive experience in Washington, D.C. We believe this is more asset than liability.

Though he was an Illinois state senator at the time, we believe it was no accident of political and moral happenstance that Obama opposed and correctly predicted the quagmire of the Iraq war in 2002. His plan to travel to the Middle East and give a historical speech about America's intentions and aspirations is a stroke of boldness rarely found in a politician.

All presidential choices come with risk. "Do you match up with the times?" Obama has said about an intangible ingredient necessary for the next president. We believe that Obama is like another candidate, a lightly experienced man from Illinois who burst upon the national scene in the midst of the country's greatest crisis in 1860. Abraham Lincoln matched up with his times. We believe the same of Barack Obama, and encourage voters to support him in the Democratic primary on Jan. 8....'

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:32:49 GMT

In a disclosure that could prove embarrassing for his sister, Anthony Rodham has stiffed his former wife, Nicole Boxer, out of $75,000 in child support, as well as $55,000 in alimony, a source close to the case said.

And this has what to do with Hillary exactly? My father didn't pay his child support for years. That says nothing about his parents, or the rest of his family, nor does it say anything about my stepmother. He convinced himself that he didn't need to pay it, no matter what anyone else told him.

It's shameful. However, the shame and the blame belongs on the deadbeat dad, not on his relatives.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:35:15 GMT

What 'experience' ?
Hillary has NO FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE !!
She really wasn't Secretary of State
But, she's trying to ride that scam to the Whit House
Sierra, SF (Sent Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:15 AM)

Please cite Obama's foreign policy experience. Please do the same for John Edwards.

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Rick,ky — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:36:23 GMT

NONE, van. Next question.

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thanu — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:40:31 GMT

I have to control throwing up when I listen to the candidates, their supporters and news media mixing up religion and politics. Thanks to Huckabee in large part for bringing religion in to this campaign. Are we electing a Pope or a President? Since when did it become that being a Christian Leader or belonging to Christian faith as a primary qualification or litmus test to be the President of US? Obama should embrace his heritage rather than distancing from his ancestors being Muslims. So what if he has some Muslim heritage? Are we saying that his heritage disqualifies him to be US President? So if you are Jewish, Muslim, Hindu or non-Christian you simply can't be a US President? We pride ourselves to be secular and democratic, and preach the same to other nations in the world, complains about religious intolerance, but seems to practice the same religious intolerance. We can learn a lot from a true democracy like India, where a foreign born Catholic, Sonia Gandhi, who could have become the Prime Minister, yet gave way to Dr. Man Mohan Singh, a member of another minority religion of Sick to be the leader of country where 80% or more belongs to Hindu religion. Christians comprise less than 3% and Sicks are even less. That is the way a true secular democracy should work. Shame on the candidates and the news media for highlighting religion as a major issue in this election!

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:41:01 GMT

I don't know why everyone is so consumed with polls that are predicting who would win in the general election which is almost a year from now. We can't even begin to predict who is going to win Iowa and NH or who will be left standing for Tsunami Tuesday. But somehow, we are supposed to rely upon a poll based on what people would likely do a year from now? Many people don't even know who they are going to support in their own primary or caucus, let alone the general election.

It's premature to place so much emphasis on the head-to-head matchups. I think the past couple of weeks have illustrated just how quickly things can change. On the Democratic side, Hillary is fighting to hold on in Iowa and elsewhere, while in GOP land Huckabee has come out of nowhere to steal Mitt and Rudy's thunder. The picture now in Iowa, especially on the GOP side, has changed so much over the months. How can anyone have any confidence in polls that attempt to predict what will happen in a year?

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Jo, CA — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:41:26 GMT

Richard in Idaho, I couldn't agree more. I thought the exact same thing when I saw that headline yesterday. The biased tactics are pathetic and at a scum sucking level, fortunately Dr. Paul is calm and cool headed about such matters and will be able to cast aside that nonsense quickly which will make the media look like fools for bringing it up in the first place.

Also, I totally agree with you about what issues people should be focusing on. I'm not sure why people aren't more concerned about domestic topics or things that might personally impact them. I think everybody needs to stop being scared that Osama bin Laden is going to get them and start being scared that our soldiers our dying, this country is going bankrupt and nobody can sell their damn house.

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Donna Matrix — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:41:41 GMT

What about Ron Paul?

Why do you leave him out of the article? Why? Why?

Lucky for you the press is free to print what it likes (and ipso facto, it doesn't have to print what it doesn't like - OBVIOUSLY that is RON PAUL).

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Ivan Brooks — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:42:25 GMT

The Clintons are stepping up their attack ads. Anyone that even thinks of voting for these two cowards should have their heads examined. No link - you all have the ability to google it.

From ABC News

ABC News has learned that the campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., has registered the names of two Web sites with the express goal of attacking her chief rival, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

It's the first time this election cycle a presidential campaign has launched a Web site with the express purpose of of launching serious criticisms on a rival.

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The Clinton campaign intends to use these new Web sites to paint Obama as cowardly.

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Dot, Illinois — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:44:59 GMT

Van

I would like to hope that the resurgence of the experienced Senator McCain's campaign might cause Democrats to look more closely at their more experienced candidates (you knew that was coming, didn't you) but I am not sure if there is enough time for any of them to overcome the tremendous leads of Senator Clinton and Senator Obama. Senator McCain has a better shot with the Republicans, I think, because there is no really strong front runner. Giuliani and Romney and now Huckabee all show some strength, but it doesn't seem to be as solidly set as the support for Senators Clinton and Obama. Since Senator McCain is a strong supporter of the war, I would think the Democrats will try to tie him to what they consider to be the failed policies of President Bush with respect to the war. If he should become the Republican front runner, I would think Senator Clinton's campaign would use the experience issue to suggest that she would run better against such a seasoned Republican than would Senator Obama. Conversely, Senator Obama would undoubtedly use the "Washington Insider-part of the problems of the past" argument agains Senator McCain.

Personally, I think Senator McCain would be the toughest candidate the Republicans could choose to run against either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama. In small towns, there are many, many voters who want a candidate who is a blend of the ideologies of both parties. A Conservative Democrat if you will. They are in many cases, union people who oppose abortion, oppose illegal immigrants coming to US and same sex marriage, yet they favor strong education, health care and social security initiatives.

Should make for an intersting year--a year I hope that doesn't spiral downward into a constant stream of negiatve ads. I know people say they work, but I really dislike them.

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Dot, Illinois — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:48:30 GMT

Jerry

You see it as a two horse race on the Democratic side?

You think Edwards will finish third? Also, what are your thoughts on the Republican side--do you think Gov Huckabee can pull off a first place finish? And if he does, whom does he hurt the most?

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Sittin Bull, Dallas, Texas — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:49:47 GMT

"present"

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Steve, Hartford, CT — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:01:42 GMT

Listen, I know everyone here already has their viewpoints picked out, but just consider for a moment the theme that the candidates use in their speeches:

Obama: unity, getting things done, helping the American people, the occasional jab at "poll-driven politics"

Clinton: We need to BEAT the Republicans. Us and them. We need someone who can fight THEM. Also, we need experience.

Do you hear the difference? That's the difference between the kind of American determination we know and love, and INFIGHTING. Clinton is trying to keep fighting the bitter partisan battles of the 90s and today. She's ready to take on the GOP, she says. But the way she does things, she may win the presidency but she'll have total deadlock in Congress. Think nothing's been done since the 06 elections? If Hillary wins, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Think Andrew Johnson.

We need to rise above the liberal-vs-conservative crap. That's how we got where we are: polarized elections, politics based on 50% + 1 wins, etc. It's time we stopped arguing about abortion and started working on teen pregnancy, which is the REAL problem there. It's time we stopped building fences on the border and figured out how to deal with the 11 million people here that we don't know about and can't keep track of (and can't get rid of, I might add). It's time we stopped whining about taxes and accepted the fact that living in a country as great as America means a certain amount of financial sacrifice. It's time that we stopped bickering about which wasteful programs to get rid of and got rid of ALL of them, and started fresh with an eye for teaching the man to fish instead of giving a fish to him. It's time we stopped yelling at "the other side" about what their guy did and got rid of BOTH their guy AND our guy, both of whom have been SCREWING US FOR YEARS. It's time we stopped letting rich people change whatever laws they want. It's time we stopped letting the media give us whatever scraps of information they aren't too lazy to print, and started getting information for ourselves. It's time to make America into what we were told it was back in grade school!

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Sue Seau, California — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:07:34 GMT

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gc, fargo, nd — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:08:46 GMT

to those whose posts say nothing other than the bashing type of comments you so protest from the candidates. hmm....your "information" is citing polls...hmm. what information are you really providing here??

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Horace, Jackson, MS — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:12:50 GMT

I love first read and MSNBC but you guys are so lost when it comes to matters of religion and faith. In making a comparison of Romney and Obama you raised the possibility that Obama may also need to give the Kennedy speech. Fair enough. You then went on to identify him as a member of the "Church of Christ"- a fine group no doubt. However, Obama is a member of the United Church or Christ which could not be much different theologically, culturally, historically or politically. The mistake is quite stunning- or would be had any taken even a survey course of the American Religious Expereince

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Mike K, Denver — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:16:13 GMT

First read also fails to mention that Hillary beats EVERY Republican candidate head to head in EVERY poll...but Obama does not.
I've heard some experts say they think the polling numbers are wrong, because the demographics don't match up with who usually votes for who, and why.
Throw shakey independents who's affections are as fickle as Jessica Simpson into the mix, and you've got yourself a horserace that probably isn't going to be over until late in the primary selection process.
Whatever happens, whoever wins, I hope The Democratic Party selects someone who will energize its' base. Not someone who appeals mostly to independents, as Obama does.

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY (Sent Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:04 AM)

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Perhaps you missed the 2nd segment of the Today Show with Tim Russert who broke down the numbers and ran Hillary and Obama against the supposed front-runners on the Republican side. Hillary, while she beat all three, fell well within the margin of error in all three to either make them statistical ties or give the win to the Republican in that head-to-head. Obama, meanwhile, only had this issue with, I believe, Romney. He kicked the hell out of both Rudy and Huckabee head-to-head. The numbers you are stating are from November, if not earlier. Today, the race has a much different look and your girl is having some serious catching up to do.

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Mark, Green Bay, Wisconsin — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:18:06 GMT

Where do these poll numbers come from? How do I get in on the action? Would someone please please tell me? Because Im just lost! Im a Ron Paul supporter and for the life of me cant understand why he never makes in on MSNBC on thier so called polls. I would like an honest answer please. I love how the media tries to dictate who will be the next president and for all you that think that the only canidates are the ones you see on tv, please do your research and stop being brainwashed by the media.

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The Outlander — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:20:44 GMT

It is appropriate to wonder and ask aloud how FirstRead gets from Clinton Inc. to be a cheerleader for Hillary (not Rodham) Clinton.

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AP from IL — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:23:29 GMT

I really think folks who feel that Hillary is the best candidate to send up against the Republicans need to browse some conservative websites where you can plainly see they are relishing running against her. I don't care how tough she is, the nastier it gets the more they will rally to beat her.

On the Republican side there is far more nervousness about facing Obama and an open acknowledgement that his combination of intellect and charisma is a force to be reckoned with. I'm sorry but the Democratic base is not going to single handedly sweep Hillary to victory. To win an election you need to be able to swing independents and moderates and Obama is registering in every pole out there that he can do that far better than she can.

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MY, VA — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:30:10 GMT

I must say that I am an adamant supporter of Ron Paul. Although his positions may be radical to us, they seem to mimic what the founding fathers had intended. Paul offers us, the people, a chance to take this country back from corruptive Washingtonian politics. At this point in our history, more than any other time of this 231 year old republic, this country has become too polarized, too controlled, and we have forgotten the principles that make this nation the greatest hope for mankind. Ron Paul may not be the most compelling man for the job but maybe we've forgotten that this country was never supposed to be run by the most capable ruler, rather it is a nation etched in the tradition that its greatness is "of the people, for the people, and by the people." Can we please take our country back?

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Ron Jeffers, Arizona Independent — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:32:09 GMT

"independents who change political candidates almost as many times as Imelda Marcos changes her shoes."
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Oh? Not this Independent. I have supported Obama throughout and will continue to support him in a general election. Clinton? Sorry, but you have proven to me that you are underhanded and can't be trusted. If she wins the Dem nomination, I can't see myself supporting her in November.

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Mike K, Denver — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:32:33 GMT

M.G. Hollingsworth,
I'm not so sure about that. I do not believe Obama would carry The South or The Southwest.
If he were to run against Giuliani, he would lose NY, and if he were to run against Romney he would lose Massachusetts. These are critical states that a Democrat cannot lose, and still expect to win a national election.
Hillary is the only candidate who beats ALL the Republicans head to head in EVERY poll.
We need to be smart about who we pick. Right now, I fear we're beeing hoodwinked by Rush Limbaugh types, and by independents who change political candidates almost as many times as Imelda Marcos changes her shoes.
J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY (Sent Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:16 AM)

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Please show me a poll from a reputable (read: main stream) news agency that shows this. Please. I'm waiting with baited breath for you to show me that Rudy will clean Obama's clock. Again, just this morning, Tim Russert showed head-to-head matchups that showed the exact opposite of what you're trying to preach. It isn't working.

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Jon S, Chicago, IL — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:37:42 GMT

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY "First read also fails to mention that Hillary beats EVERY Republican candidate head to head in EVERY poll...but Obama does not." ???? WRONG!

Do you read EVERY poll? Clearly you don't. Hillary LOSES to McCain in the Rasmussen 12/6 - 12/9 poll. Obama does not lose to ANYONE. Rather, he ties Giuliana in Rasmussen 12/10 - 12/11 and ties McCain in CNN and Rasmussen.

Please check your facts before purporting to expound the truth.

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John Alexander,Edinboro,PA — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:44:12 GMT

Bee and Sierra sittin in a tree, K-I-SS-I-N-G!
I am going for THE HILL just to piss you two off, thanks for making my choice easier for me, your meandering non-points are tiresome and at times childish, I also will scroll down when I see your posts, your cult of personality has been found wanting. Hero worship belongs in the comic books not politics, grow up dear ones, we got an election to win and don't need no fence sitters.

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Laurie, Manasquan, NJ — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:44:52 GMT

Pat Huntington NY - You are dead on. We don't need another Christian zealot in the WH. We've had almost 8 years of one now. Besides, it makes me sick to listen to him go on and on about his Christianity. I wonder what kind of upbringing he gave his children for one of them to hang a dog???!!! Better still what kind of a person is he to try to thrwart the investigation of it?? Goes to his character I would say.

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HTP, Seattle, Washington — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:50:25 GMT

WAKE UP AMERICA. Did we elect Bush because he was a change, he was straightforward kind of guy, he made us feel connected etc...? Yes, he was all that but WHERE ARE WE NOW? Trillions of dollars in deficit, more ennemies and less allies in the world, the middle-class americans are suffering. Please
ask yourself tough questions before voting for the candidate:
1/ DO WE NEED TO LIKE THE PERSON WHO MOST CAPABLE OF CLEANING THE MESS THAT OUR NATION IS FACING NOW?
2/DO WE GET HIRED ON THE JOB BECAUSE WE'RE INSPIRATIONAL AND LIKEABLE OR WE'RE EXPERIENCED?
3/CAN WE AFFORD TO TRAIN ANOTHER PRESIDENT?

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:51:10 GMT

I think it will be Hillary that finishes third in Iowa, Iowa is between Edwards and Obama. If most people in Iowa are well read and has seen everything Hillary has to offer and has gone to her website and was bored to tears by what they saw, they know that Hillary is not for them. She offers no new ideas, trying to reshape her failed health policies of the 90's and is trying to ride the coattails of her stupid husband. This is not a campaign about Hillary, this is more of a campaign to get Bill back into the public eye. They have to remember this is not the 1990's, when they suckered everybody into believing that they were the ultimate power couple and ended up in shame.
If people in Iowa are smart, they will see the crap the Clinton's are shoveling and they will make a change for the better.

Huckabee is not a good choice, more like a liberal republican. I will never vote for anyone who tries to show he is a republican, but his policies show he is no more a tax and spend liberal then Bill Clinton. I think he is a good man, made a mistake on letting that guy go in Arkansas so he could kill rape and kill again. Mitt Romney is now my choice. A man's faith in whatever God he chooses makes no difference to me. After 8 years of watching Bill Clinton destroy the White House with his affairs and his lies, we really don't need anymore of that. Mitt is also a businessman who looks at the bottom line, so that will also keep our economy going strong. For whatever reason people may think, the president does not set the agenda...Congress does that. I think people will look at Pelosi and Reid and decide they really don't need their leadership at all and vote those two bums out.

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Richard in Idaho — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:52:57 GMT

Donna, you surely won't find a more ardent supporter of the 1st Amendment than myself. However, given that there is a very large contingent favoring Ron Paul as evidenced by the sheer number of grass roots supporters giving of their time and money, yet they are largely ignored by the media. We must ask why that is. I really wonder how free is the press when obviously a large sector of the populace is not just dismissed but even denigrated. I can only speculate; is it the political views of the large media owners, does the political views of Ron Paul threaten the corporate establishment, is it perhaps that the differences between what is called Democrats and Republicans are now so narrow that someone with ideas outside the establishment is a threat to their hold on power? I wish I knew, but there is little of free press, in the mainstream media at least.

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Kristian O — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:57:24 GMT

Strategi Vision has Obama at 30% and Edwards/Clinton at 27%. That's a statistical dead heat folks with 14 days to go.

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David Seiple — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:59:15 GMT

You got it wrong about Obama's church affiliation. He is not a member of any of the "Churches of Christ," which are essentially fundamentalist congregations. The United Church of Christ is the merger of Congregationalists with several other denominations to form a non-creedal progressive church that has recently endorsed same-sex marriage. Your comment couldn't be more misleading.

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Lek — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:00:00 GMT

Kathryn in Bham,

Your write up is silly and non-factual. I don't have to respond to this silly comment coming from Hillary Clinton's machine

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disgusted — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:05:46 GMT

AW...COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

Democratic field is virtually unchanged for a month

Clinton 45%
Obama 23%
Edwards 13%

But this poll can't erase concerns about Clintons negtive ratings or her electability.

Is the media deaf, dumb and blind.

Clinton has way higher poll numbers, yet the press spins it as a negative.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Bee, NH — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:06:06 GMT

****Breaking News******

After launching so many attacks against Obama, Hillary Clinton has finally come out of the shadow to create another website of attack.

I thought hillaryis44 website is their brain child; now, she has finally made it official to go after him online. Sorry saint Hillary Clinton, independent bloggers like me are ready to counter any of your attack.

Shame on you (Hillary Clinton) for going that low. I am pretty sure the Democratic Party will be done once the Clintons collapse the party. The Clintons are selfish nut who could care less about the party.

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kenn — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:06:43 GMT

Jerry is your problem that you have spent to much time with preists,how can hilliary talk with preists when you are so sure she is the anti christ.

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Matthew, Mark, Luke, John — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:08:19 GMT

Hello, Sierra, Bee, Diane, Sarah or whatever your name is.

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Richard in Idaho — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:09:52 GMT

One other point, Donna Matrix, is that the purpose of the 1st Amendment protection of speech is not to protect popular speech. Popular speech needs no protection, but rather it is to protect unpopular speech. So, if a large segment of Americans are ignored or denigrated because their candidate espouses freedom, Constitutional adherence, self reliance, non-interventionism; how is this free speech?

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Glass houses — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:20:21 GMT

HEY, OH MY,

Don't throw stones if your candidate lives in a glass house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Hillary's brother is a deadbeat dad?

How about Obama's father, Barack Hussien Obama Sr.

1.He was married to numerous women without
divorcing the previous wife

2. He fathered many illegimate children and
did not support them.

3. Obama Sr. abused his wives

4. Obama Sr. was a raging alcoholic

Stop throwing stones, Obama supporters

Your live in a glass house!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Glass houses — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:21:47 GMT

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:22:40 GMT

From CBS News:
The latest South Carolina poll
The 'Oprah effect':

'In a reversal of many national and state polls, Obama leads Clinton among South Carolina Democratic women who are likely to vote...'

'...Poll: Huckabee Up in SC, Democrats Tied
Wednesday December 19, 2007 11:46 PM
By The Associated Press

THE RACE: The presidential race for Republicans, Democrats in South Carolina.

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THE NUMBERS - DEMOCRATS

Barack Obama, 35 percent
Hillary Rodham Clinton, 34 percent
John Edwards, 13 percent

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THE NUMBERS - REPUBLICANS

Mike Huckabee, 28 percent
Mitt Romney, 20 percent
Rudy Giuliani, 12 percent
John McCain, 11 percent
Fred Thompson, 10 percent
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OF INTEREST:

In a reversal of many national and state polls, Obama leads Clinton among South Carolina Democratic women who are likely to vote, while Clinton leads among men. Obama has a comfortable lead with blacks, including black women, while Clinton is well ahead among whites of both genders. Bill Clinton has a stronger impact for his wife than Oprah Winfrey does for Obama, for whom she has campaigned in the state. Among likely GOP voters, seven in 10 say they may still change their minds, including most Huckabee and Romney supporters. Huckabee's backers say they like his honesty and religious beliefs, while Romney's cite his stance on issues, honesty and experience. Giuliani and Romney are considered most electable, with only one in five naming Huckabee...'

Is this the Oprah effect ?

'...In a reversal of many national and state polls, Obama leads Clinton among South Carolina Democratic women who are likely to vote...'

Obama leads Hillary in the women's vote !!
How you like them apples ?
It's the 'Oprah effect' in action

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Mike K, Denver — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:24:59 GMT

The more Hillary and her shee--er, supporters are forced to back down and apologize for some "error in judgement" (riiiiiiiight) they've made, the higher and higher her negatives score goes. Hasn't Mark Penn figured out that they're directly proportional to one another?

She likely can't wait to get away from these early state "goody-too-shoes" and completely take the gloves off. What she likely fails to realize is that it isn't just Iowa and NH that don't want the negative campaigning, but everyone does. We've endured 8 years of the worst this country has to offer in the present administration. We want nothing to do with the negative. We want to know who will give us the best chance of cleaning things up and getting the country back to the point we want it to be at. Here's to hoping she can't see that and will be done by 2/5.

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jena Mesquite, Texas — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:30:09 GMT

To all of the people haters: YOu spend a lot of time and energy hating on people, defaming people and you wonder why our world is in such a mess. So much hate and disrespect spewing from these emails. Surely your hearts are corrupted. Could it be that you are in some kind of stressful mental pain from some bad situation you may or may not have experienced?..... There is only one way out of the self-made prison that you haters have built for yourselves. Love lights the way, people! Try spreading more love than hate. More well wishes than dismay....You will feel so good inside, your hearts and minds will experience such peace...you will wonder why you wasted so much time hating. Give love a chance you won't be sorry...A loving kind heart is a happy heart. Don't you wantto get well? Why can't we all just...Get Along?

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Jim, Santa Cruz — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:37:58 GMT

Whomever the republican nominee is, I'm voting against him.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:46:17 GMT

It's shameful. However, the shame and the blame belongs on the deadbeat dad, not on his relatives.

Carrie, Eastern Iowa (Sent Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:32 AM)

Guess he learned well from the Clinton's didn't he?

Anthony Rodham really needs to be jailed....
I hope his ex can get the arrest paperwork done today.

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Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:51:18 GMT

Carrie...

I couldn't agree more about the general election polls. Right now, you've got candidates on each side trying to play to their party's base, because you can't win the primary without the base. But, when you get to the general election, you'll see the 2 candidates basically sprint to the middle to try to win the independents, who usually decide the general election. Right now, the typical independent voter (outside of NH or IA I guess) really isn't paying much attention to the race. Once the nominees are decided, I think the general election polls will become a bit more relevant. But a year (heck 3 weeks) is an eternity in a presidential race.

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C.B. — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:59:46 GMT

####News Alert#### new CNN poll Hillary Clinton now "leading" in Iowa. come see why..hillaryclinton.com

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Rob, Iowa — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:00:55 GMT

Fred's gonna be someone to watch in Iowa. The Club for Growth gives him pretty good marks, except for his support of McCain-Feingold. I'm working for Rudy, mainly because of his positive marks from the Club for Growth, and he has allot of states in play (i.e. he can win). But Rudy also has a few negatives which could come into play during the General, philandering not withstanding. His support of gun rights are suspect, as is his support of McCain-Feingold.

I've been talking with people at work, and Fred's name is coming up a quite a bit amongst my conservative co-workers. I could see supporting Fred if Rudy doesn't get the nomination.

My sticking point with any Republican nominee is they need to be a fiscal conservative. Rudy or Fred. Huck is another Bush on spending issues, and Huck has supported too many tax increases. Mitt is to back and forth on to many issues to be seriously considered.

I predict Fred is gonna surprise some people on the morning of Jan. 4.

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Trudy — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:01:20 GMT

H I L L A R Y C L I N T O N . C O M .....come visit.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:01:57 GMT

Dot-

McCain would indeed be the strongest candidate the republicans could run in the general election, whoever the democratic candidate is.

How the democrats finish in Iowa is almost as important to the republican race in NH as it is to the democrats. Independents, and the side they choose to vote on, will be a major factor in whether Senator McCain wins the republican primary, and whether Senator Obama wins the democratic primary, and whether they lose. Because of their their reliance on independents to provide the margin of victory, it is unlikely that both can come out winners in NH. It seems right now, like a win for one spells defeat for the other

My question about McCain and the NH primary is because if the Iowa caucus results favor Clinton, and with her advantage in NH appearing to stabilize over the past few polls, if it looks like Clinton is well ahead on election day, independents in NH will be focused more on the republican side, and that greatly benefits McCain.

If Obama is the winner in IA, the combination of his win and the inevitable 5 or more pt., "bounce", he would get renders the democratic race more competitive and therefore more interesting to independents, who would then be more likely to vote in the democratic primary, which would be a big advantage (according to the polling) for Obama.

I don't remember another time when the fates of candidates from both parties were as much at the mercy of the previous primary and the direction independents will break because of it.

Van

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MK, Los Angeles, California — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:06:11 GMT

"First read also fails to mention that Hillary beats EVERY Republican candidate head to head in EVERY poll...but Obama does not."

J. Merle

Perhaps you should read yesterday's NBC poll cited in the story to which you posted your comment. That poll shows Obama beating ALL the Republican candidates, beating them by wider margins than Clinton, and having lower negative ratings and higher favorable ratings than Hilliary Clinton.

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MK, Los Angeles, California — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:08:36 GMT

J. Merle and the rest of the Clinton crowd, perhaps you did not hear Tim Russert's analysis from this morning that if the Dems nominate Clinton they lose the White House, if they nominate Obama they win the White House.

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Jennifer Hunt, Spokane, Washington — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:10:00 GMT

I bet bin laden and his crew get a kick out of this presidential election.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:43:26 GMT

"....Hillary, while she beat all three, fell well within the margin of error in all three to either make them statistical ties or give the win to the Republican in that head-to-head. Obama, meanwhile, only had this issue with, I believe, Romney. The numbers you are stating are from November, if not earlier. Today, the race has a much different look and your girl is having some serious catching up to do. ....." Mike K, Denver (Sent Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:16 PM)

Mike,
As my old friend Alex Trebeck would say....."nooooooo, sorry."
Go check pollingreport.com and you'll find December polling data that shows Obama TIES McCain, and shows Hillary outside the margin of error over every republican except Rudy...who she's still ahead of.
I guess that's what happenes when you get your information from TV like you did, instead of researching it for yourself.
I also want to say here that I object strongly to the disrespect you show towards Senator Clinton by calling her "your girl."
If we called Obama "your boy," you would call us racists.
If you want respect you have to give some. Let's see you people start practicing what you preach.

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Amy B Portland, ME — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:46:51 GMT

I think Obama is inspiring and I would love to vote for him, but I am afraid we do need a Democratic President who will fight the Republicans. Obama acts as though all he has to do is show Republicans the light and they will vote for universal healthcare. Ain't going to happen. I support Edwards because, if the Congress doesn't vote his way, he will take his case to the people to replace the obstructionists, and voters will do that. He's a trial lawyer, he's very persuasive, aggressive and relentless. I like Hillary too, but I'm afraid she won't be as ruthless as Edwards can be.

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Sean — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:48:09 GMT

Carrie,
Agreed on the head to head polls for the general election. It has always been a joke - not sure why they keep doing them.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:48:55 GMT

".....Tim Russert showed head-to-head matchups that showed the exact opposite of what you're trying to preach. It isn't working. ....."
Mike K, Denver (Sent Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:32 PM)

Go to pollingreport.com....it says the complete opposite of the non-sense you're spewing.
By the way, Russert is a NEO-CON, or hadn't you noticed?
By the way ALL the polls show that Clinton is supported mostly by Democrats, and Obama is supported mostly by independents.
If you can't enegrgize and dont have the support of your base.......you will lose.
Period.
That's "basic politics 101."

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Rick, WS, NC — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:54:44 GMT

I figure Hillary will garner a lot of rep votes in a general election...whats not to like about her if you favor secretive government, lying and coverup, corporate pandering, selling of america to the lowest bidder, wars and torture in the name of security...heck man she is tougher than any of the lame boys running on the right

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Bee — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:01:01 GMT

Either you like it or not, Hillary cannot win over the Independent. I am one of those that will cast my vote against her come 2008.

I am tired of lies and dynasty

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:02:21 GMT

"just this morning, Tim Russert showed head-to-head matchups that showed the exact opposite of what you're

trying to preach. It isn't working.

Mike K, Denver (Sent Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:32 PM)"

Using Russert as your source? Ever seen those links I post? Ever use a search engine? Allergic to pollster, RCP Rasmussen, Pollingpoint, etc.?

If how the candidates do in the current (pretty much meaningless) head-to-heads in the GE is what you're going to swear by, then it's JOHN EDWARDS who Russert should be slobbering all over.

Both Clinton and Obama do about the same against most of the republicans in the rcp averages.
Both are in a statistical dead-heat against John McCain (Obama 1.0, Clinton, 1.7) Whip Rudy (Who may not even make it to tsunami Tuesday) by the MOE (Clinton,3.8, Obama, 5.0)

Edwards beats Rudy by 4,McCain by 5, Romney by 18, and Thompson by 11

Clinton beats Rudy by 3.8, McCain by 1.7, Romney by 6.8 and Thompson by 8

Obama beats Rudy by 5, McCain by 1, Romney by 11.6 and Thompson by 11.

They (Democrats) all beat the republicans, and probably would be favored in the general election. Those numbers will change a lot as the field is winnowed down to a few. What will it matter how someone does against Rudy if he isn't the nominee, or Fred or Mitt?

So, try those links I post every day, (there's information there that you don't have to wait to be spoon-fed by some TV talking head with an agenda) that allows you to figure things out for yourself.

What doesn't work is relying on someone else to filter your data and promoting that as gospel, when it's so easy to do your own research.

Van

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:04:26 GMT

Please check your facts before purporting to expound the truth.

Jon S, Chicago, IL (Sent Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:37 PM)
As a bonus, the latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey shows McCain with a two-point advantage over Illinois Senator Barack Obama in a general election match-up (see crosstabs). The two candidates were tied at 44% in late November. McCain also has a two-point edge over Hillary Clinton."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/a_good_time_to_be_john_mccain

I couldn't agree with you more...:)

Van
(ex-pounder)

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:19:39 GMT

Mike:

I'd rather be a sheep than a jackass. :)

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DC — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:20:51 GMT

If Hillary doesn't win the presidency after she wins the Democratic nomination and faces the Republican nominee, you can blame all the Obama supporters who have been attacking her for months now. Obama is helping to bring the Democratic Party down in more ways than one. It will either be Hillary Clinton or a Republican that is worse than GW Bush who will be elected despite all the false Obama cheerleading/hoopla and Hillary bashing.

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Laurie, Manasquan, NJ — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:34:41 GMT

Jerry...come on now. "After 8 years of watching Bill Clinton destroy the White House"....Really? Just what the h**l has GWB been doing for the last 8 years...planting daisies???? If ever anyone could be credited with destroying the White House and possibly the entire country, it would be GWB!!! You must be living in an alternate reality Jerry because you just couldn't have said that with a straight face if you weren't.

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vanreuter, NY NY — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:36:34 GMT

From CBS News:
The latest South Carolina poll
The 'Oprah effect':

Sounds like the title of a Sci-Fi B movie...

Let's look at the effect that the candidates themselves are having on the election, sans celebrity endorsers (Please don't come and kill me Chuck Norris!)

Today's polls from RCP
Fox News National; Clinton-FORTY NINE, Obama-20
(McCain BEATS both Clinton and Obama by 5 and 4 pts. respectively)

SV SC primary, Clinton-41, Obama-39

ARG Iowa; Clinton-29, Obama-25

ARG NH; Clinton-38, Obama-24

NBC national;Clinton-45 Obama-23

CNN Iowa; Clinton-30, Obama-28

CBS SC Clinton-34 Obama-35

Quinn Fla Clinton-43, Obama-21

Battleground National Clinton-47, Obama-23

Lots of polls today. Honest people post everything and post links to the information. Dishonest people cherry-pick one and pretend the others don't exist.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

In addition;

Rasmussen IA- Clinton-31, Obama-27
NH- Clinton-31, Obama-28
SC Clinton-33, Obama-33

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/

I post links to all the polls every day, no matter who leads where. To do anything less would be dishonest.

Van

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Laurie, Manasquan, NJ — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:40:04 GMT

Jena Mesquite, Texas - Wow! Do you ever sound like my husband. He was so kind and wonderful, very religious...walked around with a bible under his arm...went to church meetings three times a week and Sunday service for half a day. He espoused love and kindness for his fellow humans. Then he would come home shut the door and abuse the crap out of me. It was creepy to hear him out in public knowing what he was like at home. I got that same creepy feeling reading your post. Sorry.

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truthinclintonact — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:44:38 GMT

clinton's lied about 31.3 million contribution from frank giustra of the radcliffe foundation.

"the vast scale of these secret fund-raising operations presents enormous opportunites for abuse," said representaive henry waxman.

SCANDALS ARE ON THE HORIZON-CLINTONS & BIG BUSINESS

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Tom Barbour,New Haven Ky — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:48:51 GMT

We have a choice of 6 Hillarys(1 real & 5 clones)
or Ron Paul.If I have to chose between one of the fakes Rudy,Mitt,Mike or Hillary I will vote for Hillary because she is what she is and we all know what that is.Big goverment,big dept,Busness as usual new management stile.If it is Ron Paul or Hillary ,I will vote for Ron Paul,he has a 20 pluss record and we know where he stands like it or not.
I am a republician,Voted Reagan and Bush

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John, Beaverton, Oregon — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:49:57 GMT

There is a lot of anti-religious hate speech going on here, and then there is wonder as to why the Democrats can't get the "Christian" vote. I am a Republican who didn't vote for Bush either time, but I didn't vote Kerry last time solely because of the same type of talk.

Huckabee is not a facist or a fundamentalist, for that matter. Rather he represents the values of a large segment of the American population, a segment that some would like silenced. Is it fair for me to call the far left facist or fundamentalist just because they are ideologically set with a refusal to even consider any viewpoint that doesn't agree with theirs? Stop the hate speech - partisanship is a problem on both sides of the aisle.

BTW, McCain 2008!!

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Herb in Ct — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:07:35 GMT

Before his candidacy took off, I had the opportunity to ask Huckabee in a Time question session "Why is someone so progressive on national health and fitness so concerned with trivial issues like abortion and gay marriage." His response was classic political nonsense'"
"I don't consider protecting the lives of the innocent trivial. It is what separates us from the very jihadists we're fighting.' Never knew the Islamofascists were pro-choice:). I think Ron Paul's (Sinclair Lewis')comments about him were spot-on: when fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Huckabee is indeed a modern day Elmer Gantry: do we wnat him anywhere near the White House. I've heard he might get the #2 under Giuliani: given the fervor of some of our Christian zealots, that might augur very badly for Rudy's health should he win.
As for Hillary, I consider her morally compromised and a very poor choice. I don't know about Obama's experience, but given the fact that Dennis Kucinich has no chance, I'm starting to lean that way.

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Red Rose — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:11:29 GMT

Just a few minutes ago in an interview with Chris Cillizza. the article by Myerson in the Washington Post was discussed with an exerpt from it. Unfortunately. the last paragraph wasn't mentioned and it exposes Mr. Myerson's personal feelings for Christianity and Republicans. He seemed to be equating Christianity with being Republican.

"The most depressing thing about the Republican presidential race is that the party's rank and file require their candidates to grow meaner with each passing week. And now, inconveniently, inconsiderately, comes Christmas, a holiday that couldn't be better calibrated to expose the Republicans' rank, fetid hypocrisy."

The question of Christianity in politics has been made an issue by the media because they just keep bringing it up. We just want the candidates to be honest and honorable people who love America and it's people and how they intend to assure us that we matter and their policies will be to make America strong and united once more.We need in depth interviews with each candidate to know what they stand for, how they view foreign policy, free trade with a communist country, how they feel about our manufacturing base leaving America for cheap labor in other countries and how they think this is supposed to be good for America, do they think it is good for America to outsource American jobs and leave Americans out in the cold, how do they see globilization, the Patriot Act, wiretapping, use of our military and the use of pre-emptive war, how they would bring resolution to the situation in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan,what our relations with other countries should be, the erosion of our Constitution, if they believe in the Constitution or whether they consider it just a historical document, the use of constant fear and danger to encroach on our freedoms, if they believe in America remaining a free and sovereign nation, and how they really feel about illegal immigration and what their solution is. We need to know how they would approach these problems and just how they view the problems here in America instead of the focus on other countries. Why do they think we went into Iraq? Do they know if the policy is that we will stay there forever? Do they really believe our troops will gradually leave? I'm tired of what their hair looks like, what their religion is, and I'm really sick of these stupid polls that don't mean a thing except fodder for the political pundits.

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Herb in Ct — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:12:03 GMT

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Bill Clinton — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:12:50 GMT

jena Mesquite, Texas / 'Try spreading more love than hate.'

jena I tryed that and got the clap, and I hate that

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Dot, Illlinois — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:19:51 GMT

Jerry

Thanks for the response. It will indeed be interesting. We'll know soon, won't we?

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Ross Welch, Boston, Mass — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:26:18 GMT

Do the HUCKABEE'S abuse their wives when they don't "submit graciously" the same way they torture and murder animals? (see this week's NEWSWEEK article)

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Elaine — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:28:41 GMT

Haven't we had enough of the far right zealots in The White House yet?

My hope is that this country will wise up and vote for someone because of experience - not which religion they are in. The evangelicals are not open minded. They talk a good game about goodness (unless you are speaking torture, then it's also ok) - but all they really care about is who can speak to Jesus. Quite the zany crowd.

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Eric, Louisville, Ky. — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:30:50 GMT

If Ron Paul doesn't win the republican nomination, I'll vote democrat. That is unless it's Hillary. Then all bets are off and I'll probably vote Rep.
Why? Because Ron Paul is the best candidate of our lifetimes, and Hillary may be the worst.

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Joe H — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:31:02 GMT

anyone who thinks oprah doesn't help is only concentrating on whether oprah can tell someone who to vote for. few, even if true, will ever acknowledge they don't think for themselves. still, the true measure of oprah's influence is her ability to bring together people that have never been exposed to obama. he will have to sell himself, but he may have never had the chance for some without oprah.

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BubbaDownSouth — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:39:44 GMT

John Alexander, Edinboro, PA
I agree with you, all the prattle from Bee and Sierra does get tiresome.
Especially the inconsistent logic of wanting to know one piece of legislation the Hillary has authored and then saying Obama is preferred without having any experience except his vast experience as a community activist.
The useless argument of trying to tie in the Clintons to Anthony Rodham's failure to pay alimony and child support. That is like saying because Obama's father was a muslim, Obama can't be trusted with the security of the U.S. Or, because Obama's father was an alcoholic he can't be given any serious responsibility. Of course this is ridiculous logic, as is the spew we get from Sierra and Bee.

Just keep scrolling down.

Personal attacks by these folks will not persuade potential voters towards Obama.

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Sean — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:56:51 GMT

Bee: Your breaking news is comical. Do you really think anyone running for president shouldn't work for it and shouldn't compare themselves to others or point out flaws. You trash Hillary - but trash her for trashing others.

I am not sure where you pick up the fact that she thinks she is a saint. I think she'd agree she is like most of us.

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Eric, NY, NY — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:57:24 GMT

A speech on Obama's faith may not work for him as it will be harder for him to distance himself from particular church teachings considering the church he belongs to and the views of that church's lead pastor.

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Sean — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:00:49 GMT

Bee: just because she cannot win over you, doesn't mean she cannot win over others. And even if she doesn't win over a majority of independents, doesn't mean she cannot win. She will energize the base so much more than previous nominees could.

Gambling odds are still on her winning.

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joe — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:04:09 GMT

oprah effect:

a lot of people voted for bush because he's the guy they'd most like to have a beer with. I'm sure as many will vote for obama because they love oprah

sad but true

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Chuck Parton — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:04:26 GMT

Not for a second do I believe Hillary wasn't behind the smear campaign against Obama and his drug use a hundred yrs ago. If, God forbid she does get in the white house who will she carry on with in the oval office. Certainly not a FEMALE page. But then again,maybe so. There have been rumors and not just because of her unfeminine pant suits.

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Barbara C., Pompano Beach, FL — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:10:46 GMT

Okay, here is the thing with Rudy going on now....New York knew his arrogant ways all along. Now the rest of the country is finding out.

I truly think that Huckabee can get the Nomination, and that is if this Moderate Republican survives his own Vast Right Wing Mud Slings coming from Mitt Romney who has the money.

For all the Hillary bashers out there I would ask...are you doing it because you really hate her, or because she is NOT the candidate on the Dem side who is most electable? If you are the Republican base and you hate her, you just might want her to be the Nominee, because the Indies will go Republican. Just some thoughts....

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Ron in Deer Park — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:10:47 GMT

I take comfort in the bitterness I hear in Sierra in SF and Jerry in Corpus. Something is obviously going bad for the Repubs and their Bush league Prez.

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ace p washington, d.c. — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:15:28 GMT

the national polls showing hillary with the lead will change over time. that is a historical fact. in history any candidate with well known name recognition or association with someone that does have a highly recognized name has placed well in the polls early. this has proven to change as other candidates become better known and point out their views and ideas.

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joe — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:20:33 GMT

how does everyone on here report these polls like they represent the truth? they are only a barometer and enable the media to rank. just looked at a fox poll and they wouldn't even be used if someone weeded out the ones most likely to be rigged, the statistical outliers. if you look at 10 polls from among conservative, centrist, and liberal places, you wouldn't have a clue who was winning particularly if you take into account the margin of error. one thing for sure though, since Obama has been intimate with the Iowa voters, he's changed a lot of minds and his following has only increased at the expense of Hillary. is she still winning, depends on which paper you like to read, but has she lost a lot of voters after they got to know her better...a resounding YES. get to know him before you spew that support for her, you may change your mind too.

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Sheri Ellis, Jacksonville Florida — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:21:44 GMT

I am not sure where you pick up the fact that she thinks she is a saint. I think she'd agree she is like most of us.
Sean

________

Hillary is not like me Sean. I believe I possess honesty, decency ,and integrity. I tell the truth, and apologize when I offend others. Neither I, nor my friends, talk badly about others. I earn my own way and I make my own mark.

Hillary is not so fortunate to have any of those characterists. She is not like me at all. I would even go far to say she is not like most of us. And for that we can all be very thankful.

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Buzz — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:29:11 GMT

Rudy NYC- I wouldn't kill an evangelical- I'd torture them. I'd make them THINK. On their OWN! To them, that would be far worse than death by a long shot.

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INDEPENDENT REVOLT — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:23:19 GMT

president bush said in his speech this morning that he thought the GOP had a very good chance of putting a republican in the white house again. if you remember he also stated a month ago or less that he thought hillary would be the democratic nominee.

bush knows that if hillary wins the democratic nomination the GOP, conservative, neo-con, libertarian and the religous right base will rise up like a tidal wave to defeat hillary.

the indepedent base majority will not support hillary. a lot of us independents remember the clinton era. it wasn't pretty. we remember all the scandals, not just lewinsky. there were many.

we remember how the country actually got the national debt under control. it wasn't bill cliton as they claim. the republicans at the time sent a balanced budget to president clinton twice. bill clinton vetoed it both times. the republicans would not budge. the third time it returned to bill clinton's desk he signed it. that is the truth how we began to get rid of the deficit at that time. look it up if you want to know the truth.

hillary made selections for atty. general. they were flops. the first to couldn't pass nomination because they had hired illegal immigrants to work for them. those to were shot down.

hillary's third choice made one of the biggest mistakes in history. do you remember? her name was janet reno. janet reno messed up on the branch davidian assault at waco, texas(86 people died. 17 were children. good judgement,hhmmmm).

here is another one about hillary's choice of janet
reno. the seizing at gunpoint of a 6 year old from his miami relatives to have him returned to cuba(good judgement hhhmmmmm).

hillary has a history of consistent bad judgement. it is all there for anyone to look up if they are disireous of the truth.

independents have their own forums and correspondence. we know some claim to be independent, yet don't interact and participate as the gop and democrats do. some of those may vote for hillary. the majority of independents won't.

what no one wants to realize is that independents look at themselves as somewhat of a third party. we are the deciding factor for both parties.

if hillary clinton becomes the democratic nominee, the democrats are going to lose to the republican in the general. we will vote for biden, edwards, obama or richardson. we are not going to allow hillary to win the white house.

as stated. some will vote for her. the majority will not. some independents may sit home. some may vote republican. if john mccain runs against hillary clinton, he will get the majority of the republican vote. he is the only republican that warrants that support. there are democrats we will support over john mccain.

the democrats will also have to worry about low voter turn out because so many democrats will stay at home instead of supporting hillary clinton.

if you send hillary to the general election you will lose and you will lose big. you absolutely can't wim without the independent vote.

THIS IS NO JOKE. THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS BEEN WARNED!
if the democrats nominate hillary clinton they will lose the presidency. we will vote against her or not at all.

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Joyful Alternative, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:20:08 GMT

You've got a fact wrong. Obama's a member of the United Church of Christ (specifically, the Trinity United Church of Christ congregation in Chicago), not "Church of Christ," as you have it. That's a big error as far as we members of either denomination see it.

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Sal Barno, Boston — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:22:49 GMT

Buzz "Rudy NYC- I wouldn't kill an evangelical- I'd torture them. I'd make them THINK. On their OWN! To them, that would be far worse than death by a long shot. "

Liberals are some very ill people.

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Amy B Portland, ME — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:50:11 GMT

Sal, I think he meant that to be forced to think for themselves is a form of torture for an evangelical. I don't think he meant evangelicals should be tortured. By the way, Jesus is a Liberal.

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Lee Holmes — Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:00:01 GMT

Some ''liberal''. Jesus OKs opposite,but not samesex marriage[Matthew 19,Mark 10].He also OKs capital punishment,bearing arms,equitable taxes,and standing armies,areas usually confined to the province of conservatives. Jesus was neither liberal nor conservative. He is what he is.

Also see: The Bible.[N.T.]

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Jackie Royce — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:08:49 GMT

Hillary will get a great big retirement - whether she is a good president or NOT.... don't think she doesn't know that. I think that's what it's all about with her. She never did strike me as someone who really cares about ME. I have not seen a really "caring" side of her.