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Tareli, Fuquay Varina NC — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:01:55 GMT

I am so sick of Obama's "I didn't vote to go to war" defense mechanism. He wasn't in the senate at the time. Things look alot different when you're in the Hot Seat. Was he in New York on 9/11? Was he there in the aftermath? No he was not. Hillary however was there, she was at ground zero, she saw firsthand what had happened, it's alot different seeing that up close in person rather than images on TV.

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juicy lucy — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:24:21 GMT

Let us face it, the US of A is NOT ready for a black cheif of staff. Obama really should have waited for another four years and then go for it. He is just too inexperienced and he is also getting to be like the rest of them .........

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godenrulejoe — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:27:39 GMT

obama nor any thinking person did not have to be in congress on 911 to know Iraq had nothing to do with 911 and all the reasons for this war were based on LIES which hillary clinton went along with wholeheartedly. she did not critisize bush at all and voted with him every time. therefore, she can not get my vote!!!SHE SUPPORTED GEORGE BUSH ON EVERY VOTE!!!EVERY VOTE!!!!she gambled for the republican support to win the presidency,but alienated her democratic base. now the republicans still can't stand her and will not vote for her and the democratic base sees her for what she is!!!!its her own fault-voting with bush, she is as much to blame as bush is!!!!

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Flander Annapolis Albany, New York — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:27:55 GMT

But it is true, he didn't vote for the war. HIllary flip-flopped so much about the license deal. She was caught in a lie on National t.v. then tried to lie out of it. Both Edwards and Obama called her on it, then Bubba left the brothel long enough to try to defend her.

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Tommy Ates, Austin, TX — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:29:06 GMT

And so "getting to be like the rest of them" means 'experienced' and ready to lead lobbyists and special interests rather than America? I think Barack Obama will do. Thank you.

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Coltrane, Seattle, Wash — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:32:38 GMT

Another classic Right-Wing frame. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Wake Up!! HRC's judgment is predicated on polls. If you actually took the time to objectively explore the past maybe you'd have a better grasp of where the country should go. What did HRC learn from her 2002 War Vote? That Iran's Revolutionary National Guard is now a terrorist group? Thanks for that insight Dick Cheney. Senator Obama accurately predicted the mess in Iraq in a prescient 2002 speech. If you want someone that can't learn from past failures or continually shades the truth then vote for the Clinton dynasty.

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Randy, Sioux City, IOWA — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:33:06 GMT

"Hillary however was there, she was at ground zero..." Tareli

HILLARY NEVER EVEN READ THE INTELLIGENCE REPORTS!, about Iraq, who wants a president like that, that just follows what is popular all the time.

What do we want?...CHANGE
When do we want it?...NOW

OBAMA 08

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Dave, Queens, NY — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:34:38 GMT

Tareli -- Despite what Hillary claimed in 2002, there is absolutely no connection between 9/11 and Iraq. Why would "seeing firsthand what had happened" on 9/11 in any way inform your decision making regarding Iraq? If these two things are linked for Hillary than she shouldn't be in charge of our foreign policy.

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Paul, NY, NY — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:35:23 GMT

He keeps touting how he didn't vote on naming the Iranian Guard a terrorist group and that was only because he was busy on the campaign trail trying to get nominated! WTF! What are his priorities? What a freakin' hypocrite - how can he expect Amercian people to believe this rhetoric?

I'll stick with a proven leader - Hillary Clinton '08

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Teach53 — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:37:33 GMT

Senator Clinton claims that her and Senator Obama's positions on Iraq are "closer than Obama would have voters believe.". Well all I have to do is look at what they both had to say on the eve of the vote to Authorize Military Force:

Senator Obama: "I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda." 10/02/02

Senator Clinton: "This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.

And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation. I want this President, or any future President, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war." 10/10/02

Senator Clinton had even more information available to her than then state senator Obama, and she still got the most important foreign policy decision of a generation WRONG! Now she's asking us to "trust her experience"? Give me a break!

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Ronald E. Lohman Lake Geneva,Wi — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:39:03 GMT

They all sound negative-how about some poitive statements! I belevie the American people are are sick and tired of Politics as usual.

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Dave, Queens, NY — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:39:20 GMT

juicy lucy -- Has Obama committed to having a black Chief of Staff? I haven't heard that before. We currently have a black Secretary of State, which is a much more high profile position than White House Chief of Staff, so I wouldn't worry about it; Obama's potential chief of staff choice won't be weighing too heavily on the minds of voters.

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Charles Good Springfield, Illinois — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:43:12 GMT

Hillary is so experienced. Obama lacks the gravitas needed in these difficult times. The choice is clear: America needs Hillary Clinton.

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Dover, NH — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:44:59 GMT

obama ,please stop whinning. grow up!

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Mike, Baltimore — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:46:27 GMT

Juicy Lucy you're pretty ignorant. Obama is going to be commander and chief. And, it's not about his color. It's about his character, commitment and qualifications. He will be the next President.

Obama 08'

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Steve McGuire — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:46:35 GMT

Obama is the only candidate that hasn't marched lockstep with the Bush administration. Clinton likes to keep bringing up that Obama "wasn't in the Senate at the time" as if the royals in the senate are the only decision makers who's decisions have any clout.
Obama was at the time, running for the U.S. Senate against primary opponents who were backed by millions of dollars. He was publicly making the case against a "dumb war" while Bush had a 90% approval rating, and the Dems in the Senate, Clinton and Edwards, were too cowardly to vote against Bush. Clinton talks about judgement, but she didn't even have the judgement to read the damn NIE from 2002 with the dissenting opinions against the case for military action in IRAQ, and the dissenting opinions that exposed Bush's claims of WMD in Iraq as being bogus.
Obama didn't have access to the classified dissent in the 2002 NIE, yet he had the foresight and judgement to propheticly predict what would happen if the United States followed Bush and the NeoCon cabal of Rumsfeld and Cheney into an illegal, unilatteral war in Iraq.
Instead of being spun by the Clinton/Bush appologists,
Why don't people hear take a look at these videos of exactly what Clinton, Edwards, and Obama were saying about going into Iraq in 2002:
Clinton:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSu0zXCR9sE
Edwards:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY6BZgkI0kI
Obama:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUV69LZbCNQ
The choice is yours America. Judgement and level headed foresight and honesty are the two most important characteristics of a Presidential Candidate.
Even if you really want to talk about experiance,
It is OUR experiance with the results of Clinton and Edwards experiance that should really count. How can we vote for two people that have cost us a trillion dollars, 4000 American Lives, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives?

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Dover, NH — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:47:27 GMT

please, obama proposed his own bill labeling the iranian guards "terrorists".
yet he missed the bill the vote on a bill that stated the exact same thing.

he simplly doesn't show up to work

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Penny Big Sandy, WV — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:51:10 GMT

I think people are on board with Obama simply because Oprah came into the picture. Let's remember that if we get Hillary-we also get Bill- who kept this country running like a well-oiled machine. I hate it when someone changes religious convictions to suit the moment. Obama keeps harping on the fact that Hillary voted for the war. He would have, too, if he had been in Congress then-even though he will deny it.

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bret, seattle, wa — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:53:22 GMT

Tareli, thats a bit of a leap to say that because obama wasn't in new york on 9/11, he couldn't feel the real impact and decided not to go to war. if you read speeches from 2002, he predicted nearly every single wrong turn the iraq war has taken, including the US becoming bogged down in sectarian violence that would not be fixed with guns (hint to his insight of the outside world, pretty sure he was a bit more educated about iraq and islamic regions in general compared to GWB... or clinton for that matter). not only that, he supported (right after 9/11), and still supports military operations in afghanistan.

I am sick and tired of hillary clinton's "ready from day one" rhetoric. the president is a unique job that does require on the job training, even if you were first lady. you think laura bush is ready to be president?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/opinion/18brooks.html?hp

check this out, its just an opinion, but one articulated well.

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S.K.M. Mass — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:53:39 GMT

Juicy Lucy, if that is your real name!
We aren't ready for a black president, or are you not ready for a black president? Is it really that he should have waited four years, or is it "how dare he threaten Hillary's ambitions!"? Honest questions

Tareli,
I am pretty sure Hillary was in D.C. when 9/11 happened. I am pretty sure that Obama, too, visited Ground Zero. All of that is without consequence to the point.
Now of course, we've heard before that Obama wasn't in the senate at the time of the vote for going to war with Iraw. He was in the Illinois state senate, a state which greatly supported the war. He gained nothing by voicing his opposition to the war at a time when so few were against it, he put himself at risk. Nonetheless, he voiced his opposition.. and that's a documented fact.
As for it being a defense mechanism, it's an honest point. He may have had limited foreign policy experience, but he had enough judgment to know what so many of us, myself included, didn't even stop to consider. He wouldn't need to say something to his defense if Hillary's campaign didn't constantly slander him.

Hillary Clinton, cut from above, speaking of Barack Obama:
“He wasn’t in the Congress at the time,” she said, “and when he was running for the Senate, he said that he basically agreed with George Bush’s policy and conduct of the war. "

YouTube the debates between Obama and Alan Keyes. Your candidate is outright lying to the American people.

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mike oh — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:02:01 GMT

Criticize the Iraq vote when he wasn't there to cast one. Criticize the Iran vote when he wasn't there to cast one. All the preasent votes on controversial issues in the State Senate.

If you don't want to vote, don't vote, but don't go criticizing people who do stand up for their convictions and accept the responsibility for their action.

What a coward. Won't take a stand himself, but can't wait to popint fingers at people who do.

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DHD — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:03:37 GMT

Oh please are you guys forgeting that OBAMA DIDN'T SHOW UP TO MAKE THE IRAN VOTE, BUT CO-SPONOSORED THE SAME EXACT BILL DESIGNATING THE IRANIAN NATIONAL GUARD A TERRORISTS ORGANIZATION

PAKISTAN ALREADY HATES THEM BECASUE HE IMPLIED HE WOULD INVADE THEM

AND OBAMA VOTED IN FAVOR OF REAUTHORIZING THE PATRIOT ACT.. AMERICANS ARE DOING A DISSERCIVE TO THIS COUNTRY BY ELECTING THIS FAKE INTO OFFICE

VOTE FOR ANOYONE BUT THE FAKE OBAMA THAT HAS TAKEN MILLIONS FROM LOBBYISTS

PAUL AND KUCINICH WERE ACTUALLY THE ONLY TWO CANDIDATES TO VOTE AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ

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S. Wood, Portland, OR — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:11:06 GMT

Wait a minute! Mrs. Clinton's now 'borrowing' Obama's word 'silly'. Tsk. Tsk. Tsk to Mrs. Clinton. She's pathetic, afraid to be beaten, and at best can only hope to be as qualified as Obama. Mrs. Clinton's just not a good looser.

It's silly for Mrs. Clinton to say that this campaign shouldn't be based upon lists. If she's telling the truth then she should apologize to Obama for her baseless accusations listing 146 times that he allegedly didn't vote - out of possibly 4,000 times. Mrs. Clinton's unbelievable! She's absurd and hypocritical!!!!

It's silly for Mrs. Clinton to think she's more experienced than Obama. Oh! Wait a minute, she must mean her negative experiences! They include the recent distortions about Obama's senate voting record, her untrustworthiness, her inability to connect with voters, her on-going lack of accountability on her first Iraq War vote, her lack of good judgement about the Iraq War vote, her intransigence with politicians over health-care reform, her life-long connections to corrupt people, her questionable ethics, the infidelities of her husband, her inability to unite people on health-care reform, and her meanness. So yes, Mrs. Clinton's got lots of experience in negative ways.

Mrs. Clinton is not the best candidate for America. trustworthy. She isn't trustworthy, she is mean-spirited, dishonest, and divisive.

Barack Obama is the best candidate for America. He's the person we can trust. He's honest, authentic, and the right person to serve America!!!

Go, Obama!!!!

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Edmonsky, Sacramento, CA — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:12:02 GMT

Honestly, l read some silly comments that make my head spin in disbelief. There were many enlightened citizens outside the government who opposed the preemptive strike against Iraq. Opposition to the war is not limited to those who had the privilege to vote for or against. If the then chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, former Senator Bob Graham, voted against authorization of preemptive strike against Iraq, those who voted should tell us what they read that Graham missed. Please read what Bob Graham wrote in Washington Post for enlightenment.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/18/AR2005111802397.html

Furthermore, if many foreign policy experts who worked under President Clinton’s administration decided to back Senator Obama, it means they have confidence him and distrust in Hilary Clinton on foreign policy. That is a testimony that what Hilary is claiming as her advantage on foreign policy is not supported by those who know her better. Most of these people that worked for Bill Clinton and who are supporting Obama, also opposed the war in Iraq.

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Pope, Houston, TX — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:14:23 GMT

Love Obama, He gives us so much hope in the future of Our Great Nation.

LIKE EVERY OTHER RARE TALENT, MANY EXIST THAT WANTS TO SHOOT HIM DOWN. JFK was shoot, so was MLK, even Reagan.

I'm not suprised to see so many trying to shoot down this rare talent with their hateful, unthoughtful and fanatical spews.

They invoke, his kindergarten essays, admitted youthful indiscretions, attack his faith, whats next? His race?

( for the record Obama is a Christian and there are so many good muslims in this country)

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Pope, Houston, TX — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:15:34 GMT

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mike OH — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:17:02 GMT

Obama will never be commander in cheif, at least not this year. Even if he gets the nomination, the Republicans will tear him apart. All the questions and rumors about experience and voting records, even the cocaine and muslim heritage, even the Obama/Osama trick. Wether it's fair or not, he's going to get pounded day in and day out. Chris Matthews will not be there to hold his hand and protect him from the big bad republicans either, he'll have to stand on his own and defend himself, something he has not done and has not had to do yet.
This man, plain and simple has not been vetted, has not been pressured, has not shown anyone in the Democratic party yet what he's made of under fire. If you are a real Democrat and getting the Whitehouse is your main concern after 8 years of the crap we've been putting up with, then we need to send our strongest hardest hitting candidate in there this year. If we send in Mr. Rodgers, Saint Obama into the meatgrinder the Republicans will be using this time, then we're going to lose. WE ARE GOING TO LOSE.

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Pope, Houston, TX — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:18:14 GMT

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JHD, Topsham, Maine — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:27:48 GMT

Could a real Presidential candidate please stand up. I can't see how any of the loonies running from either party are going to do anything good for this country. We'd be better off imitating corporate America: when nobody good applies for the job, eliminate the position and move on from there.

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S.K.M. Mass — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:28:46 GMT

Mike,
check the latest poll matchups of Obama against the Republicans.
(Hint, he does the best of all the Dems against them!)
On him "not being vetted", ccooooome on.. he's been attacked SO MUCH on EVERYTHING by Clinton's Attack Machine, even on stuff that doesn't exist! What more do you want from him? Probably for him not to be black, right? It can't be about experience, Obama has more experience in elected office then both Hillary and Edwards! It can't be on his lack of foreign experience, he has A LOT more than Bill Clinton did! Bill had no experience on the national or the international level. He governed a rather small state of Arkansas. If voting for Hillary can be justified by Bill, then Bill's record at the time of his election is fair game. Hell, so many of Bill's former advisors jumped ship to Obama. Do you ever wonder why?

Obama wins.

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John Walsh ,Iowa — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:36:32 GMT

Domestic policy is more important than foreign policy. And Obama cant explain his "present votes" on a lot of issues. Watch him fumble and triangulate here.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4tV-e2npzNo

Talk about karma. Haha. His got a baggage and his fans know it will knock him out big time.

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John M., San Diego, CA — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:38:23 GMT

Right Mike, we definitely shouldn't send Obama into the general when according to the poll averages at RCP he runs better than Clinton against Giuliani (+1.5%), Huckabee (+4%) and Romney (+4%). He definitely hasn't shown any toughness after having the kitchen sink thrown at him by the Clinton machine (including the Clinton News Network) and coming out stronger than ever.

Obama's opposition to the war has been strong since 2002. He was opposed to the Iran bill that was passed both before and after, missing the vote because it was supposedly tabled before he left to campaign. It's that kind of judgment that explains why he has the support of so many former Clinton foreign policy advisors, including the last national security advisor.

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RobK, Seattle, Wash. — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:40:00 GMT

Nice link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSu0zXCR9sE

If Billary becomes the the candidate, you can COUNT on the Congress to lose to the Republicans b/c any Dem who aligns themselves and campaigns w/Billary during the '08 election WILL LOSE!

You do not want to be associated w/HRC otherwise you won't get elected!

Stop the Billary machine now! She is COMPLETE UNELECTIBLE!

Experience?

http://jaydiatribe.blogspot.com/2007/03/barack-obamas-inexperience.html

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Joe G. White Bear Lake, MN — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:44:43 GMT

I heard Anne Coulter sat down with Bob Novak and they have decided to come out in support for Obama. Let's face it....Anne [C]oulter (with the C. standing simultaneously for "Cocaine, Caffeine and Cigarettes") knows personally what the ravages of too much hard living can do to a body (but she has figured out the combination helps keep you thin!) and the "Dark Lord" of political snuff-jobs is just waiting in the wings to get directly involved in outing all the Muslims in Obama's family tree. I believe Barak Obama is a wonderful man who represents hope and the future for this country (one day), but lets face it, the Republicans will have a FIELD DAY with the past drug use issue and a Muslim heritage. It just won't fly, unfortunately. Clinton can be nasty yes, and that is what the Democrats need “right now” to retake the White House. I am not saying I like that kind of politics, I am just a realist.

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diane — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:45:25 GMT

I am so sick and tired of people saying 'wait till the republicans do this or that. blah blah.
Fact is that anyone who goes up against and wins against the dirtiest campaign around - the Clinton machine- and comes away looking presidential, cool under fire and a winner while the feared Clinton machine is run off the tracks, is perfectly able to take care of themselves.
Besides, I am sick of democrats using the republicans the same way republicans use terror against the people - as a fear tactic.
The republicans are no different from democrats except they have a backbone while the democrats have lost theirs.
Any democrat who is elected to office has obviously run against republicans before and won.
Please either get a grip and a backbone or stop using the gop as a scare tactic.
Hillary voted for war. Hillary did not read the NIE after it was urged that she do so. Hillary held her finger to the wind to make her decision.
She has demonstrated time and time again she has very poor judgment and cannot lead.
Obama has demonstrated his fine sense of judgment and leadership abilites.
Just the other day Politico had a story on how well run his campaign was and how it was managed in a smooth style. Compare that to the back biting and fighting going on in Hillary's camp.

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diane — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:53:58 GMT

Reading the comments I must say:

Barack Obama majored in International Affairs at Columbia.
Was the head of the Illinois state foreign affairs committee
Is on the US senate foreign affairs committee
Has gone to eastern europe with Lugar to secure loose nukes.
Has been to Iraq and Africa.
Is the favored candidate of the foreign policy community.

Hillary, on the Armed Services Committee.
Has voted for war every time.

So, who is not experienced with foreign policy?
I suggest people do some homework and find out the real information and not just parrot talking points from the Hillary camp.

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DAVID ANDERS PHARR,TX. — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:11:51 GMT

WAKE UP HILLARY SUPPORTERS AND YOUR ROCKSTAR PERVERT BILL GO TO BILLS CLINTONS PARDONS.COM AND THROW UP AND HIDE YOUR FACE GOD ARE YOU PEOPLE NUTS OR HAVE NO MORALS

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Katy — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:19:54 GMT

If it was so silly for Senator Obama to raise the question as to why so many of Clinton's former foreign policy advisors are endorsing Senator Obama, then why did the Clintons respond with a list? (And one so vulnerable to be exposed as dishonest) The point is that so many now support Obama.
This is what you can expect from Hillary Clinton:
Hillary Clinton supported the reckless Kyl-Lieberman Iran bill. By defining Iran's Revolutionary Guards Corps, a core branch of the Iranian military, as a foreign terrorist organization, the bill put the U.S. Senate on record as vindicating the Bush-Cheney line that Iranian proxies are part of a global conspiracy, linking Al Qaeda, Iraqi insurgents, Hamas, Hezbollah, and any other enemy the administration wants to conjure up. It made a US attack on Iran just that much more possible and confirmed that she learned little from her earlier vote to authorize the Iraq war.

U.S. Senator James Webb called it "Dick Cheney's fondest pipe dream." "It could be read as tantamount to a declaration of war," Webb concluded. Once again Hillary Clinton empowered a recklessly belligerent administration in their efforts to go to war. A US attack is probably less likely since the National Intelligence estimate found that Iran had halted its nuclear weapons programs in 2003. But Clinton had no way of knowing this when she voted for Kyl-Lieberman, and Bush continues to talk confrontationally in the wake of the report. Karl Loeb, Free Press, December, 2007.

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POLpursun — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:22:42 GMT

Clinton continued to emphasize that the real debate for voters should be which candidate, and not which policy team, was most qualified. “We cannot predict every challenge and every crisis that will come to the attention of our president, and therefore it’s important to pick the person who can make the best decisions,” she said. “When the door closes, and you’re having to make those difficult decisions that presidents confront every day, ultimately there is no adviser you can count on. You have to make the decision and live with the consequences.”

Comment: That's precisely why, Sen. Clinton, it's JUDGEMENT, not experience per se. Experience which leads to poor judgement is of no import.

“He wasn’t in the Congress at the time,” she said, “and when he was running for the Senate, he said that he basically agreed with George Bush’s policy and conduct of the war. When he came to the Senate he voted to support it. So I think that once you’re in a position of responsibility and you actually have to be counted by what you do or what you look for, his record is the same as many of us.”

Comment: IF, Obama said that he "basically agreed with George Bush's policy and conduct of the war" after that October 2002 speech, a delineation of the details would be legitimate criticism. What are they? When, where, why, under what circumstances, etc did he say that? Further, once the fiasco was set in motion, there WERE no good solutions. It is, at best, for some, a cut-your-losses situation. That's why the initial JUDGEMENT was significant. It was not the time for crass political calculation, particularly if leadership is important.

NOW, of course, the experience vs. change construct seems to have become change vs. change. More political calculation. Change? Really? ------ what's this: Attack on Obama, seemingly from Edwards, on behalf of Clinton?

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Michael Cosentino Spokane WA. — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:34:36 GMT

As I read all these comments I see reddiculous comments attacking the one person who obviously has had so many years of experience and has the wisdom and the strength to lead this country. I think you all need to stop and think a bit. Mrs. Clinton is going to make an exceptional President, that is unless you continue to just lash out without using your heads!

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PG 13 — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:40:02 GMT

Actually for Democrats building the Congress is the first priority. The thing is if Obama wins the nomination and comes up short in the general, the party will hold The Congress and likely gain a veto proof majority in the Senate.
Why? Three reasons: First, many folk will feel deep guilt about voting past Obama and compensate by voting for all Democrats in sight. Second, the vote will surge in core Democratic districts and spill over and up. Third, Obama draws independents and progressive Republicans, even partisans, don’t’ hate’ him, most remarkably have grudging respect.
. The Congress is far more important to the party and its constituents than the White House. As they say, ‘the president proposes the congress disposes’. It was held for fifty years until 1994 when a Democrat in the White Hose managed to lose it. Then came kitchen sink.. welfare, Nafta impeachment, a growing security crisis and tragically 911. It took a lot to get it back. Dean did well with the 50 state strategy. Today Nancy is doing fine and Harry is OK, Rummy is gone, Mr. Bush is pretty much under control and Condi is making some diplomatic progress. The surge is working because the Democrats in Congress are in charge and Sec. Gates is being held accountable for all to see.
Folk are reasonably happy across the land because ‘their’ Congress people have the old familiar power back and they are seeing change. Its also good for America around the world. If Obama wins the general election that’s gravy!
On the ticket he insures the Congress for a generation. This is the real issue and his true trump card
Since The Democrats lost it after fifty years under a Democratic administration. The issue is which candidate is going to work to excite and turn out the base, appeal to independents and progressive Republicans. Who will be able and inclined to run fifty state campaign?

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just grow some b**** — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:49:58 GMT

I am so tired of this blame Bush,blame HRC,blame everyone that suported the Iraq war vote. People we as a country are so weak. Sen Clinton you voted yae because with the info you had it was the right thing to do. Grow some b****. Pres Bush thought it was the right thing, the majority of Sens and Reps thought it was right. Everyone has 20/20 hindsight, some think it was wrong, some think it was right. Being a leader means you make decisions, you live with the consequenses. What scares me with alot of the candidates that want to lead our country is the fact none of them have the courage to stand by a decision that they made. Sen Clinton why do you need someone to blame? Sen Obama you scare me, I dont think you will protect my family. A leader can not be all things to all people. You can make a mistake Sen Obama you seem to think that everyone loves you and they will America too just because of who you are. Guess what they wont. As long as we are free and wealthy we will be despised. Sen Clinton the worst of it is you are probably the best the Dems have. Quit apologizing for making a decision to protect my family!!!

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Michelle — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:07:59 GMT

I am from Illinois and I have said before that Obama does not tell the truth. I would like someone to ask Obama what he has done for Illinois since he has been in the Senate? I will answer nothing except support illegals and big business.

I wouldn't vote for him. I voted for him once. I won't make that mistake twice.

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Scott, New York — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:11:07 GMT

"But it is true, he didn't vote for the war. HIllary flip-flopped so much about the license deal. She was caught in a lie on National t.v. then tried to lie out of it. Both Edwards and Obama called her on it, then Bubba left the brothel long enough to try to defend her.
Flander Annapolis Albany, New York "

Actually let's be honest, you don't know the issue before and after, so do not use flip-flop words, too naive.

"Love Obama, He gives us so much hope in the future of Our Great Nation. "

Really ? Then name 3. Give us only 3 clear lists he give so much hope to our nation. Pal, you truly don't know Obama. Instead of "inspired" by his speech, check his records, what has done. Ask people from his hometown to show you why Hope is hopeless.

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Jennifer, Savannah, GA — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:51:47 GMT

HRC didn't think it was a SILLY QUESTION during the last DEBATE in Iowa. This is precisely the same question that was asked of Senator Obama. As a matter of fact, she'd still be laughing right now if Senator Obama didn't respond with an anwser SHE CERTAINLY DIDN'T EXPECT. HRC----When are you going to learn that when your deeds are malicious, they WILL backfire?

Hillary charges Obama agreed with Bush

Johas Carter — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:00:37 GMT

How'd Hillary vote on the war way back when again?

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Anthony, Seattle, Wash — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:11:00 GMT

In reply to mikeOH

I respectfully disagree with you about Obama if he gets the nomination will lead the democratic party to a lost. Obama offers a clear message on where he stands... better than any democratic candidate in the field. If, you, and several others want to reject him and nominate someone who can't give straight answers (HRC), then we'll lose. Democracts only lose once they play politics. If we do not say what we believe in, then it's the endgame for us. But the most important thing to consider, if we remain cynical about our chances to getting back the white house by being true to ourselves, then we simply have lost the ideals of our founding fathers, America, and ourselves.

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Marbw — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:16:23 GMT

Kyl-Lieberman and IWR----Clinton voted aye on both.
Kyl-Lieberman and IWR--Barack Obama was told the day before by Harry Reid(his son works for HClinton's campaign) that there would not be a vote anytime soon, then Reid pulled a fast one the next day. Biden had one of his own legislation coming up that day.
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/10/11/did-obama-skip-the-iran-vote/
IWR--- Barack Obama spoke against the war in 2002. He was interviewed(day after JJ dinner) on Meet The Press. Tim left off this part of his statement: ''But, I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,'' Mr. Obama said. ''What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.''
Barack Obama has been consistent. Frankly, it would have been great if HClinton had stayed home instead of voting 'aye' BOTH times. Deception will be 'HER ROYAL SILLYNESS' downfall.

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Chris, Adaville, Iowa — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:53:54 GMT

New poll out!
Sen. Barack Obama is the only Democratic presidential candidate who polled higher than all five of the top Republican contenders in its latest national survey of potential "general election matchups," Zogby International reported this morning.
Obama led:
• Rudy Giuliani, 48%-39%.
• Mike Huckabee, 47%-42%.
• Sen. John McCain, 47%-43%.
• Mitt Romney, 53%-35%.
• Fred Thompson, 52%-36%.

Edwards:
• Led Huckabee, 47%-41%.
• Led Romney, 50%-38%.
• Led Thompson, 51%-35%.
• Trailed Giuliani, 45%-44%.
• Trailed McCain, 46%-42%.

Clinton:
• Led Romney, 46%-44%.
• Led Thompson, 48%-42%.
• Trailed Giuliani, 46%-42%.
• Trailed Huckabee, 48%-43%.
• Trailed McCain, 49%-42%.
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1404
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/12/poll-obama-beats-any-and-all-gop-noms.php

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jds, slc, ut. — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:01:02 GMT

Mrs. Clinton will never be president.

If she is nominated, it will galvanize and mobilize every republican, from sea to shining sea, to come out to vote against her.

Obama is absolutely more electable.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/12/zogby-obama-is.html

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FAYE JAMAICA,N.Y. — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:29:58 GMT

OBAMA,IS NOT READY TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. HE LACKS EXPERIENCE HIS WHOLE TALK HAS BEEN ADOUT IRAQ,OF COURSE THATS IMPORTANT,BUT ITS DONE,AND REGARDLESS OF SENATOR CLINTON, VOTING YES OR NO, PRESIDENT BUSH WAS GOING TO WAR ANYHOW.THAT WAS HIS PLAN IN THE BEGINNING. REMEMBER THE PRESDENT HAS THE LAST WORD.GO HILLARY, WE NEED YOU FOR PRESIDENT.

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OhioforEdwards — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:38:14 GMT

Anyone sick of all this sniping can go to johnedwards.com and read about real, substantive policies to get our country back on track. Then go to realclearpolitics.com , click on "head to head match-ups," and see that Edwards has the best average against Republican opponents (he beats all, consistently ... Recent polls show he also would carry North Carolina, making him the only viable Dem. in the south.)

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 04:32:38 GMT

Ready to lead on day one. What the hell does that mean? It can't mean that we should trust her good judgment because I haven't seen any evidence of good judgment. Not in her war votes, in her cozying up to special interests, not in who she has chosen to run her campaign, not in her use of surrogates to launch personal attacks, not in how loosely she vets her large contributors.

Is it because Bill will be at her side? No way! We're not electing Bill as first tutor. It's her leadership, not his that we're supposedly electing or did she forget that? I mean, if it's Bill's leadership, then perhaps we should just forego with the 22nd amendment and allow Bill to run for a third term, God forbid (only FDR had the poor judgment to break that tradition, before law prohibited it). Or maybe we should just establish a dictatorship and allow the corridors of power to be completely overtaken by the growth of corrupting forces.

The longer this campaign continues, the more pissed off I am at the Clintons for trying to pull off this scam, this power grab. My oldest daughter said to me the other day, "Dad, if she gets the nomination, you have to vote for her, to keep the Republicans out." I answered, "Honey, what whould be the difference?"
Obama '08

Hillary charges Obama agreed with Bush

ki houston — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 05:44:14 GMT

more than i hate people who lie is dumb people who lie . For you people that say obama sponsered the same bill as kyl leb. that is a lie or you are just dumb and dont understand politics . his bill was to keep the congres from calling the iran guard a terror group by keeping the language confined to the state department . which means its no more than bush saying it . So ethier stop telling lies or do your homework.

Hillary charges Obama agreed with Bush

MK, Los Angeles, California — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 05:54:14 GMT

"I'll stick with a proven leader - Hillary Clinton '08"

Paul

Oh my where to start. Lets see a proven leader who voted to take us into a war in Iraq where it turned out later that the reason for the invasion was bogus. A leader who voted to start the process of going to war with Iran only to find out later that again the basis for the vote (prevent Iran's nuclear weapon program) was bogus. A proven leader who could not deliver health care reform even with a Democratic President, House, and Senate. A proven leader whose education reform in Arkansas left the state worse off then when her reform began (the state was 43rd in the country and when Bill left office in 1992 it was 49th).

If this is what you mean by "proven leadership" I think I will pass in favor of someone who was against the Iraq war from the start, who did not support the Kyl/Liberman resolution, who has a history while a state legislature in Illinois of getting campaign finance and death penalty reform passed, and who got campaign finance reform passed while in the US Senate.

Obama '08

Hillary charges Obama agreed with Bush

Jeremy, IC, IA — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 05:58:46 GMT

Wow. Hillary's supporters have resorted to conflating 9/11 and Iraq. How very Rovish.

Here is Obama pre-Iraq War:

"But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars."

Here is Hillary:

"In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad.

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."

She hadn't even read the NIE when she said that. Let's get serious folks. There's just no comparison on this.

Hillary charges Obama agreed with Bush

Mark From NY — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 06:02:28 GMT

Obama didn't take the chance to make news in 2004 by criticizing then Presidential nominee Kerry for his vote. I don't think it would have been a smart move for him to dump on democrats, Hillary would have tho... If she had only poll-tested it back then

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Dover jr NH — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 06:36:50 GMT

Dover, NH, Obama is not fortunate to have a former preseident as a husband, I wonder what they talk about,because she has made bad judgement after bad judgement.
You wanna tell how one will be when he/she becomes presiednt? Look at how they run their campaign. I think so far Obama has rum a decent, transparent and formidable campaign. He has own all his fight by not sayin much, short and straight to the point but it stinks like a bee.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-i5mGij_YRg&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YBBcHWw6ypE&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_ytGaPqclSA&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BK6B9ufHyLA&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0yuMdnktphM&feature=related
This is enough material for you to enjoy your holidays.
Merry Christmas

Hillary charges Obama agreed with Bush

mkb, sierra nevada — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:55:01 GMT

jds, slc, ut.

Yeah, they'll all mobilize . . . but I don't think all two of them can beat her.

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LIfe is Good — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:14:13 GMT

Obama is not a muslin. War and drugs are forbidden.
He is just another All American Boy who resists the worship of Drugs, Sex and ROCK and ROLL! Ya can't be a true christian till ya ask Jesus to save ya and send ya to heaven when you die. All angels are welcome to the kingdom of heaven. Repent, accept Jesus and you too can ascend! Sing it Oprah!

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Mike OH — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:14:31 GMT

The poll numbers for Obama vs Repubs mean nothing right now, especially for him. They haven't gone after him yet and they won't because they're praying for him. When they start going after him the way they've been going after Hillary then show me the numbers.

Republicans are the weakest they've been in decades and we're going to give them a 1 term senator with a very weak voting record, muslim heritage, addmitted cocaine use, middle name Hussein, and a first name one letter away from Osama. ... Merry Christmas Mitt Romney, would you like our candidate giftwrapped or will you defeat him in a landslide here?

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Garrette — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:25:12 GMT

Recently free ride for Obama from political press and it feels besieged it has to bat away incessant questions with Obama's significant shifts/ flip flopping on issues such as Patriot Act, Defense of Marriage Act, Fast Track trade authority and benefits for same-sex couples. Given how little experience, campaign doesnt want any focus on his record, clearly raise questions about his electability and serves reminder about how little the public knows about his positions. Illinois chapter of the National Organization for Women, Obama said he would vote to repeal the Patriot Act. In 06 Obama voted for the redrafted version of the Patriot Act that made only minor changes. On Defense of Marriage Act Obama answered No, to the question: "Do you support repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act. On Fast Track authority, which requires Congress to vote yes or no and without amendments on pending trade deals, Obama opposes Fast Track authority. Benefits for same-sex couples, Obama said he would need to evaluate the fiscal impact before extending Social Security benefits to same-sex couples. Obama is involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin Tony Rezko. Obama also linked to an alleged influence peddling scandal and was nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law. In addition three political aides on Sen. Barack Obama’s payroll are registered lobbyists for dozens of corporations, including Wal-Mart, British Petroleum and Lockheed Martin, while they received payments from his campaign, according to public documents. The Oprah Winfrey endorsement might have generated a lot of press for Barack Obama, but not a lot of impress, particularly among younger women, a poll released wednesday shows a third said they were less likely to support the Illinois senator because of the Oprah support. Older women, over 65, also showed they were ruffled by Ms. Winfrey stepping "out of her pew," as the daytime diva herself described it. About 17 percent of older women said the endorsement made them less likely to support Mr. Obama. "Oprah's endorsement represents a disconnect to me between what the community needs and her motives, which are likely strategic and brand oriented," he says. "More than a black president, what black America needs are an economic environment that is conducive to optimal job creation and a radical reform of the public school system, and in both instances Obama is not the guy." The truth is going to surprise, and disappoint, and outrage many people who were drawn to him. He has lied to the American people, and he has sought to misrepresent his own heritage.

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Desider, Washington DC — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:33:23 GMT

I suggest people look for Clinton's actual 2002 speech before they accept excerpts that pretend she voiced no concerns about the war.

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

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Dr. Greg — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:00:43 GMT

I can't help but toss my two-bits-worth into this. Please forgive my tyrannical post, but all of the comments here are just too much to bear without some strong language to counter them. With that being said...

There are some great comments here, and some, well, brainless ones. This one is the worst:

"I am so tired of this blame Bush,blame HRC,blame everyone that suported the Iraq war vote. People we as a country are so weak. Sen Clinton you voted yae because with the info you had it was the right thing to do. [...] Quit apologizing for making a decision to protect my family!!!"

just grow some b**** (Sent Saturday, December 22, 2007 7:49 PM)

I think people are failing to see why the 2002 Iraq vote is so important in this election. This was clearly a war that was built upon a poorly veiled desire to dethrone Saddam Hussein and open up the Iraqi oil fields. After-the-fact revealings of these motives have only proven that we have some rotten apples in D.C., and the voting process is the only non-violent means to mitigate this problem.

Responsibility - how does one take responsibility for all of the soldiers' families who've lost their moms and dads, sons and daughters? How does one take responsibility for the COUNTLESS Iraqi lives that have been lost, and continue to suffer and wallow in misery even as we Americans celebrate Christmas!? None of these politicians cared about American families, outside of their own and the gains they would win from the windfalls of a U.S. wartime economy.

If these politicians want to even talk about responsibility, they should resign and leave politics.

Further, let me note that saying something doesn't make it so. No matter how many of Hillary's blog-trolls want to cast Obama as the precocious black boy who dares to interrupt her rightful ascension to become the first woman who received the democratic nomination for president, people aren't buying it. You may have rights, but some of these recent comments edges towards outright slander. People simply won't tolerate that - here or anywhere.

Finally, what give people the idea that being muslim is somehow "an issue"? Obama has clearly stated many times that he is a Christian. Just because his middle name is "Hussein" is not an excuse to fabricate rumors. There is nothing wrong with Islam, nor should it be implied that Islam isn't welcome in the U.S. as equal to Christianity.

Please stick to the truth. Of course, with some candidates, that means they'll never win an election.

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Fasteddie, Houma — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 03:09:08 GMT

@Scott,New York, I've checked his record and will gladly give you 3 reasons. 1)Transparency...He believes that everything should be transparent in government, so there can be no secrets. He co-sponcered a bill doing just that with government funds. 2)Hope...regardless of what you and the rest of the Senator Obama haters on this page think. He brings hope in that this country does not have to be as down trodden as it is at this time. We don't have to be the most hated country in the world. It does not have to be politics of old. Business as usual, the trickle down theory. 3) HONESTY....This administration has lied to the people so many times, that we don't even pay attention to it anymore. The Clintons lie like a rug. Ask Bill did'nt he really inhale, and while your at it ask hillary did'nt she inhale also. Democrats, Republicans and Independents know that Senator Obama will be Brutally Honest. Which is why he will attract all three voting blocks.
Now Scott whats good for the goose. You tell me 3 just 3, things that Hillary has accomplished (excluding being first lady) in her 35 years of experience. We are
FIRED UP.........READY TO GO!

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Tareli, Fuquay Varina NC — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 03:59:06 GMT

Finally, what give people the idea that being muslim is somehow "an issue"? Obama has clearly stated many times that he is a Christian. Just because his middle name is "Hussein" is not an excuse to fabricate rumors. There is nothing wrong with Islam, nor should it be implied that Islam isn't welcome in the U.S. as equal to Christianity.

People have a right to be wary of Muslims. The filthy scum who attacked us on 9/11, the filthy scum who dared to use our own planes to attack us were Muslims, whose religion was Islam, so yes people have a right to be concerned and any questions about Obama's backround are completely justified. People have a right to ask these questions about him. Obama should give a speech like Romney did to lay to rest any fears people may have about his having a Muslim parent.

As far as Obama's "new ideas and new direction" spiel, that's all well and good in theory and thought, but in real life it takes drive and experience and a strong work ethic to get things done, to make dreams into a reality. I have yet to hear Obama spell out exactly how he plans to get all these things done. He thinks he will just snap his fingers and the congress will give him what he wants, well, it just doesn't work that way.

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teddy orlando — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:41:31 GMT

hillary could not lead on day one or day 101. I really cant satnd it when she say she is ready to lead on day one..... please!!!!! Does she really think americans are that stupid.

No Hillary wake up and see the truth

Obama 08 - america needs him

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DAVID ANDERS PHARR,TX. — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:08:36 GMT

TEACH 53 IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM DECIDING ON VOTING FOR HILLAY, YOU HAVE A PHYSCO PROBLEM LET ME HELP GO TO BILL CLINTON PARDONS.COM AND HILLARY'S BIO AND CHECK OUT HER COMMUNIST TIES, WE'LL FORGIVE YOU

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DAVID ANDERS PHARR,TX. — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:18:25 GMT

CLINTON IS SO DUMB SHE ASKED VOTERS TO CACUS FOR HER ON JAN 14 TEN DAYS LATE, NO WONDER SHE FLUNKED THE BAR EXAM. sHE MUST BE INHALING WHAT BILL LIES ABOUT AND SAYS HE DOESNT, GOD BLESS AMERICA FOR KOOKS LOL

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Obam greif, Hrc — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:48:06 GMT

A in depth look at two control freaks,

She wears the pants, and he wares a condom over his head. Such a terrible mistake to have made.

Like O.J, its the second time around, it will be He Clinton will go straight to jail. O.J will too.

As for Obama, he will have his chance. But this time around , he gets plenty of experience from a real professional lying paper hanger!!

America needs these to rats in the White House. Then the daily tabloids will stay in business

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Ed, Caldwell NJ — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:10:40 GMT

As a ardent democrat I just want to be assured we have a nominee who can not only win the election (which, to the poster who posted all those polls showing Obama ahead, when you look to averages of the 6 or 7 of those polls that have been conducted over the last few weeks Edwards is the most electable and Clinton still beats all the Repubs). I have serious concerns about Obama and his message, the truth is that overcoming partisanship is neither realistic nor prudent in today's Washington. For all you "progressives" who are so ardently in support of Obama, see a recent column by Paul Krugman in the NY Times pointing out the hypocrisy of the Obama campaign http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/17/opinion/17krugman.html

The Iraq/Iran issue and Obama's attacks on Clinton are ludicrous, considering he was not privy to the intelligence reports and was in the IL State Legislature at the time. Even if he claims he was against the war we will never know what he would have done had he been in the Senate, considering all we have is his word and in examining his record as a IL State Legislator it is clear he voted "present" multiple times as one of only two legislators,in order to avoid taking concrete positions on controversial issues, that certainly sounds like "triangulation" to me! Also, other than stories posted on fringe left wing blogs I have never seen a legitimate news story or even a statement from the Obama campaign verifying the supposed Harry Reid "trick" to prevent Obama for voting on Kyl-Lieberman. In fact, Frank Rich, a clear pro Obama columnist, even indicated in a recent article that Obama needs to address his absence, which he has continually failed to do.

The media has painted Obama in such a favorable light and has failed to even attempt to investigate or criticize legitimate issues in his career (with the exception of the NY Times investigation into his "present" votes) and in the current campaign. I was suprised and happy to see that Paul Krugman is asking the hard questions that regular voters should be asking themselves about Obama's message of "change," and whether it is actually practical in today's Washington.

I want a candidate who is experienced against the Republican attack machine and is not afraid to take on other Republican politicians and other right wing interest groups. Both Edwards and Hillary have proven much more adept at that, because they have actually been tested before. I would not call the Democratic nomination contest, up until now, a true test for Obama, especially when he has all major news organizations essentially promoting his campaign. Just wait until he is under the microscope of a general election.

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robert s. isaf,Cortland, New York — Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:35:08 GMT

Experience? Mrs. Clinton? Since when did being the wife of a president make one "experienced" enough to BE president? She is in the Senate where she has one vote on any issue. All the other senators have the same one vote. Has she ever been CEO of anything? Mayor, Governor Department Head? What experience does she have calling the shots at anything?

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Ruben Morales — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 05:35:19 GMT

Wow! Hillary Clinton basically LIED (what's new) in claiming that Barack Obama agreed with "with George Bush’s policy and conduct of the war. When he came to the Senate he voted to support it." That is totally not true!! Barack Obama was from the start and has always been against the war. It was she who was for the war, voted for it and made statements supporting it. While Barack Obama disagrees with W and the war, he supports our armed forces and wants to ensure they have the resources they need for their mission, all the while trying to find ways to intelligently extract our forces from Iraq. When you're hearing stories like troops lacking basic items like body armor, the need to up-armor vehicles, how do you vote against funding for the troops? Unlike Hillary Clinton, he's worked hard on legislation to get our troops out of Iraq.
As usual, Hillary wants to yoke Obama to her failed stance on Iraq. Why is she so flipping dishonest!?!