Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

Brady — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:14:20 GMT

Is Hillary auditioning for the lead role in "Sybil"? Just how many personalities are we going to get to see in such a short span of time? Memo to Hillary: Being the change candidate does not mean changing your personality on an hourly basis.

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

ynw, ME — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:15:50 GMT

Hillary is the past and Obama is the future.
Experience is not a good thing if it's same old politics and negativity. Playing to the fears of the American people is insulting.
Obama's "words" do inspire and we are a country built by dreamers who dared to inspire and believe.
This is a new day in American and it is words like MLK's that continue to echo in our hearts and inspire us to believe in Obama.

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

ynw, ME — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:16:17 GMT

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

Andy, Baltimore, MD — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:17:32 GMT

Hillary Clinton is not only the democrats' worst chance -- by a country mile -- of taking back the White House, but she's also the American people's worst chance of getting any kind of straight take out of their next President. Her painfully transparent efforts to paint Obama as indecisive and disingenuous expose her for the rigged-system-defending, lobbyist-owned-and-approved clown that she truly is.

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Ryan, Nashua, NH — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:19:33 GMT

Her baseless and desperate attacks continue to escalate. I'm a hardcore Democrat, but she's on the verge of losing my vote permanently (even if she somehow wins the nomination). I am reminded exactly why so many dislike her: she's willing to do anything, even lie about a good and decent public servant like Obama, in her entitlement-fueled quest for power.

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ddd — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:20:28 GMT

Obama is a total fake His sixth and seventh important acts as a senator were to vote for a bill that made it nearly impossible for ordinary people to sue giant corporations who rob & defraud. He voted for President Bush's energy bill, sending more than $13 billion in subsidies and tax breaks to oil, coal, and nuclear companies. He voted to allow credit card companies to raise interest rates over 30 percent. He spoke out against the Patriot Act, only to vote in favor of reauthorizing it, he cannot commit to have all troops out of Iraq by 2013, supported Bush's sanctions against Iran and co-sponsored a bill designating the Iranian National Guard a terrorists organization, he implied he'd invade Pakistan, he favors amnesty for illegal immigrants, he is for entitlement programs that will increase the deficit leaving the burden on taxpayers and accepts contributions from influential lobbyists, corporations & special interest groups, while claiming he's the "anti-establishment" candidate."

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stuart jacobson, fairfield ct — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:21:27 GMT

ms clinton forgets to mention that she has accepted money from all sources, corporate, pharmaceutical, etc. while faulting others for doing the same. that is her fundamental problem- she is disingenous and deceitful, and her arrogance is offensive. she is not an agent of change, and her experience is minimal; the only advantage she has is age. living in the white house doesnt give you experience, and her campaign is smoke and mirrors. she is so polarizing, what makes her think anyone would be able to work with her given her vindictiveness and appetite for infighting? this is her "you owe me tour" and bill is using her for his own "lets do it again" tour. this is about satiating their monumental ambition and lust for power, not leading the american people. the only thing she knows about change is how to put more in her pocket. obama beats her on everything that counts- bipartisanship, charisma, leadership and vision. its time for the democrats to stop being afraid of the clintons and accept that the only way they have a chance is to embrace the politics of enlightenment that obama represents. i am one democrat absolutely sick of the clintons and their self absorbed smugness and intellectual superiority. we need to clean house and give ourselves a new, fresh start. the thought of ms clinton leading change given her track record, history and past behavior is patently absurd and delusional. more clinton means more of the same. Obama is our best chance to unify a badly fractured and rudderless america.

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life — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:22:46 GMT

"Last night Clinton revealed her passion, depth of knowledge and her humor. She revealed who she is. She also sent a warning that she will not be insulted or dismissed. That indignation at having her experience and record laughed at by two men who can't get the job done alone so they hold hands to get it done together."

There is no need to adress Edwards here because in realty, he never gets it. And that is the reason put him back. I was for him all along, very sad to see him "fight" for OB's life, not himself. I guess his next goal is not president, it is a wishful VP, position. Read my lips, OB will never pick him, use him only, sir.

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ROBERT — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:25:15 GMT

JUST A NOTE SO CALLED FAVORITE SON TED KENNEDY LOST THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY IN 1980 TO THEN PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER

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THROW OUT THE DOG AND TAKE OUT THE TRASH — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:25:25 GMT

I'll throw her a DOG BONE and tie her up out side!!!

There we now can continue our conversation, which is real issue.

The enough of enough has the American people pissed off. Their voice and concern over a failed congress is the real priority issue. No clever moves or side stepping will mask over reality.

Congress is maintained by self serving paper hangers, our intent is not to send that contender to Washington.

HRC, has completed the task of failing the people, as a Senator, or a want to be President ""which will never happen"" HRC, is the most unqualified to support that post. Talking always in past tense, will evade and only reflect conjecture to having any answer. HRC, can babble, yuck it up, snort, belch, fart, but the people are not impressed.

To change is to know what must be changed, living in the past has no meaning to know how to solve present issues. Clinging on to coat tails is not a leadership trait, defending scandal is meaningless, having loose leaf is pretense is a fools failure.

Yes , reality for some is never waking up to reality!

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Bill Z, Manchester, NH — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:27:54 GMT

I understand First Read is sort of like blogging but NBC news can do a better job than this.

Senator Obama was asked about this July 2004 statement about Iraq war ("What would I have done? I don’t know") By Tim Russet during his Nov 11 appearance. Sen Obama responded to that question in this way:

Sen Obama: "[that] quote was made with an interview with a guy named Tim Russert on MEET THE PRESS during the convention when we had a nominee for the presidency and a vice president, both of whom had voted for the war. And so it, it probably was the wrong time for me to be making a strong case against our party’s nominees’ decisions when it came to Iraq."

[source http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21738432/page/2/]

Come on, First Read writers. You can at least check the most basic of things -- like your own website. The people of NH are trying to make a critical decision here. Help us out, please.

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MatureEducatedAndy, USA — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:30:35 GMT

Andy, Baltimore, MD (Sent Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:17 PM)

Andy, you already proved that you are not knowledgeable and uninformed by saying Hillary and Obama are both in their 1st term of Senate. What more do you want to prove by spewing uninformed hatred about Hillary due to your blind sightedness?

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Manuela, Fresno, Ca — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:33:03 GMT

please people do not vote for a candidate because the media and the television told you so. first of all, if you believe in Oprah then you should get out of your couch and stop watching so much television. what happened to this country?? you vote for a president just because Oprah told you to do so?? and Oprah should side with the women not with the men. I guess she does this out of jealousy so there is no woman more powerful than her on this planet. if she would have some senses into her, she would know how hard it is for a woman to suceed in this country. maybe she forgot how much she had to endure from men to get to where she is now. I see this on daily basis in the corporate world, women get stepped all over and pushed around by the sneaky men who steal their ideas and promote them as theirs. Isn’t this what Obama did? Obama has no experience and he stole Hillary’s ideas and speeches and make them his own, ten he attacked Hillary on public television and made her feel unworthy, just so he can get to the top. isn’t this typical men behaviour in your daily job?? women wake up and stand up for women. I hate to see women siding with men, when they themselves were hurt in the long run by men. what a shame that us women cannot unite together and be more powerful to stand up for oursleves.
Hillary is an excelent candidate, full of experience and wisdom. I hear he speeches and I tell myself that this is one smart woman who knows what she is talking about. Obama has no clue what he is talking about. I hope the democratic party does not make a huge mistake and elect a candidate who has no experience and elects him just because Oprah told you to do so. Who is Oprah anyways??? a talk show host?? please, if she would me smart she would support Hillary and think about the hard times she had before she got to where she is. and people stop watching too much television and think about where this country is going and what would happen if a candidate with no experience comes into power.

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Bill — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:33:35 GMT

Amen Hillary.

Now, why don't you tell us what you've actually done instead of continuing to pitch your empty "experience"?

If it's good advice for others, you might want to take it yourself.

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John, NH — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:34:07 GMT

Since when talking about policy issues and voting records considered an attack? I thought when Obama talked about policy differences, it wasnt an attack.

So now why the hypocrisy from Obama supporters? America is doomed if double standards and hypocrisy takes over.

Actions speak louder than words. Obama's actions in Senate dont match his words. So yes, Obama is right, he will be swiftboated by Republicans easily.

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Simon, IA — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:39:49 GMT

To change is to know what must be changed, living in the past has no meaning to know how to solve present issues. Clinging on to coat tails is not a leadership trait, defending scandal is meaningless, having loose leaf is pretense is a fools failure.

Yes , reality for some is never waking up to reality!
THROW OUT THE DOG AND TAKE OUT THE TRASH (Sent Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:25 PM)

Your first sentence in itself kills your argument.

To change is to know what must be changed and how it can be changed based on actions done so far! Just saying change the past is not change. Remember someone once said "Old is Gold". Sometimes it is. "KNowledge of how to change is a virtue".

Day dreamers will ruin America. Hope our youth dont fall for fluffy change. Hope they ask for action.

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frederick Mugul — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:41:00 GMT

I support Obama but I think credit needs to be given where it's due....Hillary has done some good things, made some mistakes...just like you and I.
If you don't believe in nagative campaigning be consistent by not bashing Hillary sitting on your brains....be fair and logical.....read and learn then judge!!>>>
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/about/
The moments is for change , thanks to Bush....who many of us thought he was the one we could comfortably have a beer with then....I wish the best for Obama....and I hope , God Forbid, if he let's us down we should just shut up and take responsibility.....not like many republicans turned against Bush....who they preferred over many experienced leaders at the time.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH EXPERIENCE....if we trump experience for the presidency, I wonder why MSNBC should not hire me to fill the role of some of these reporters....I can surely do better than some of these Scott Peterson look alikes!

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Gates — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:41:07 GMT

Desperate and childish tactics by a desperate and poorly managed campaign. Hillary's experience does not seem to be helping her in running a smooth campaign now does it?

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Kaye — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:42:33 GMT

Hillary is missing the big picture here. Americans want real change, real inspiration, real challenges, real integrity and real leadership. That is why she is losing, they are rejecting real entitlement

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Jan, STL — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:46:27 GMT

Right now, there is this tidal wave of support for change. I understand it because I want change. I want change from the current adminstration.

That said, change is not some abstract concept that can be accomplished through rhetoric. Change occurs through action. What has Obama done that suggests that he is capable of leading this country to change? Not much in the few years before he started to run for president.

There are two things that really bother me about Obama's crediblity: first, he abstained from voting on making the Iranian Guard a terrorist group. This was an important vote about national security, and regardless of his position, he should have let us know where he stands by voting.

Second, in my opinion, his credibility is tarnished by the fact that he promised not to vote for the Patriot's Act, and yet he did.

If he makes promises that he does not keep, how can I know that he will keep this word on issues such as health care or Iraq? If he refuses to vote on the tough issues, how will I know that he will not do the same on issues such as North Korea?

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sbn — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:48:20 GMT

Barack Obama talks of change but what change? He talks against interest groups but he has raised $100 million dollar and a good portion of it from interest groups. He is indeed a candidate of change, for changing what he says. He talked about bombarding Islamic positions in Pakistan only to backtrack a few days later. As a constitutional law teacher, he may have remembered that Pakistan is a sovereign country. The world is too dangerous to have another unexperienced President in the White House. He definitely lacks any experience on foreign policy to bring up his 4 years of childhood in Indonesia as an experience. American people do not need a talk show man, they do need an experienced and decisive person in the White House.

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Marbw — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:48:21 GMT

OBAMA SPONSORED LEGISLATION
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/barack-obamas-health-care-record-the-making-of-the-health-care-president/
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http://www.ilga.gov/senate/SenatorBills.asp?GA=93&MemberID=747

Over 800 bills sponsored in Illinois
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/07/29/us/politics/20070730_OBAMA_GRAPHIC.html

http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/category/

IRAN
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/10/11/did-obama-skip-the-iran-vote/

Present(100+ out of 4000 votes cast)
http://progressivegovernment.blogspot.com/2007/12/from-anne-and-women-for-obama.html

LEARN & ISSUES
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

http://obama.senate.gov/

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Marbw — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:49:37 GMT

REAL LEADERSHIP FOR SENIORS
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid353515028/bctid1358585519

WFO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ASwQGwTDII&sdig=1

Meet Barack Obama
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WGGIHqIoP2k

Community Organizer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22bcGFeq71U
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/27/eveningnews/main2737505.shtml

Sentinelsource interviews of Barack Obama
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=sentinelsource+obama

Candidates@Google: Barack Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4yVlPqeZwo

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Marbw — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:52:52 GMT

For many months, we've been teased, even derided for talking about hope.

But we always knew that hope is not blind optimism. It's not ignoring the enormity of the task ahead or the roadblocks that stand in our path. It's not sitting on the sidelines or shirking from a fight. Hope is that thing inside us that insists, despite all evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us if we have the courage to reach for it, and to work for it, and to fight for it.

Hope is what I saw in the eyes of the young woman in Cedar Rapids who works the night shift after a full day of college and still can't afford health care for a sister who's ill; a young woman who still believes that this country will give her the chance to live out her dreams.

Hope is what I heard in the voice of the New Hampshire woman who told me that she hasn't been able to breathe since her nephew left for Iraq; who still goes to bed each night praying for his safe return.

Hope is what led a band of colonists to rise up against an empire; what led the greatest of generations to free a continent and heal a nation; what led young women and young men to sit at lunch counters and brave fire hoses and march through Selma and Montgomery for freedom's cause.

Hope—hope—is what led me here today – with a father from Kenya; a mother from Kansas; and a story that could only happen in the United States of America. Hope is the bedrock of this nation; the belief that our destiny will not be written for us, but by us; by all those men and women who are not content to settle for the world as it is; who have the courage to remake the world as it should be.

That is what we started here in Iowa, and that is the message we can now carry to New Hampshire and beyond; the same message we had when we were up and when we were down; the one that can change this country brick by brick, block by block, calloused hand by calloused hand – that together, ordinary people can do extraordinary things; because we are not a collection of Red States and Blue States, we are the United States of America; and at this moment, in this election, we are ready to believe again. Thank you, Iowa

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lou starkyindianapolis — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:53:19 GMT

you may not like her but shes smart i believe shes ready to get us out of trouble america need some help after 8 years of foolish im black i beg blacks dont vote for some one because hes blackthey voted for bush because they like to drink a beer with him how about because they can do the job. dont let thenews people pick for america again

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POLpursun — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:58:51 GMT

Sen. Clinton and her campaign have now become totally ridiculous. I trust that new Hampshire solidly confirms Iowa's historic action. Just as the incessant experience mantra (ignoring its uselessness having informed poor judgement at crucial junctures), her whole campaign has become just plain tiresome and laced with prevarication.

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R H Parker, Kansas City, MO. — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:00:38 GMT

John McCain securred my vote last night because of his personal explanation of why he wants to be the president. It was honest, simple, and best of all, from his heart. Romney acted like a spoiled rich kid who always gets his way...until last night. Ron Paul may be seriously mental.
On the dem side, Obamma did very well and seems to have taken control of his own destiny. Hillary can't speak on her own without a script from Bill's past. I never heard a direct answer or original explanaton for anything. Richardson doesn't have a clue and can't look anyone in the eyes.

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M. Davis, New Hampshire — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:00:44 GMT

The Obama campaign is now playing not to lose and is on the defense. They have joined up with John edwards to attack Hillary Clinton at all costs. That is a desperate act, IMO. John Edwards was rejected in 2004, and his message of "fighting for change" still has not brought any real change for America. It is very interesting that Obama continues to refuse to answer questions at his campaign stops. He just talks. Again, Obama's campaign is playing not to lose. Hillary Clinton's campaign is playing to win.

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Marbw — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:01:06 GMT

Obama working with others/push lobbyist aside

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XLyQNJsCv0&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/2/215018/3535

Iowa stump speech--http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1274008643/bclid1358275349/bctid1358294842

Part of comment about Iraq.

''But, I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,'' Mr. Obama said. ''What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.''

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Kaye — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:02:15 GMT

sbn, be careful about spreading mistruths, special interests cannot donate to presidential campaigns, thanks to campaign reform. Each contributor can only donate $2300, which all campaigns are held to. Hillary's campaign encourages a practice called bundling, which while not explicitly illegal, is somewhat questionable ethicly. Baraks campaign dollars are from donors such as myself, some amounts as small as $5, but none over $2300 - that is the law.

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DAVID ANDERS , PHARR, TX. — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:02:39 GMT

THE REALITY IS SHE WOULDNT HAVE TO BRING THE TROOPS HOME, GENERAL PETRAEUS ALREADY HINTED HE WOULD RETIRE RATHER THAN SERVE UNDER HER AS WOULD OTHERS. THE SOLDIERS HATE ALL DEMOCRATS, AND WOUDNT SERVE, MEANING NO RE ENLISTMENTS, 20 YEAR RETIREMENTS ALL TIME HIGH, IF YOU WERE A SOLDIER WOULD YOU SERVE UNDER ANY DEMOCRAT, NO BECAUSE NO DEMOCRATS SERVE OUR COUNTRY, THEY RE TOO YELLOW

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Marbw — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:02:52 GMT

People who say he needs more seasoning in Washington just want to "boil all the hope out of him" so he sounds just like everybody else, Obama said.
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Hillary..c’mon. Before Obama entered into the race, I was actually considering voting for Hillary, not because I supported her stances(her Iraq War vote and refusal to apologize for it really bugged me), but I felt it might be worth it to see Hannity’s head explode when she became president.
However, once Obama entered the race, I began listening to him more closely, and did quite a lot of reading on his website to understand his positions and policy ideas. I found them refreshing and intelligent, as well as pragmatic.
Before the CNN/Youtube debate a few months ago, I was undecided and went into the debate with an open mind, however after the debate, I started leaning towards Obama.
Then Hillary came out the next day and attacked Obama as “naive and irresponsible” for saying he would be willing to engage with leaders of rogue nations directly. After hearing Hillary’s criticism, I did some research and found her interview with Keith Olbermann from 2006 where she said “as president, one of my first acts would be to talk to Iran directly.”
Ok, then I found the clip of Hillary telling Al Hunt of Bloomberg News in 2006 that “nukes were off the table” regarding Iran, yet she had just criticized Obama for saying the same thing regarding Al qaeda targets inside Pakistan.
Ok, so then Hillary attacks Obama for saying as president, he would act IF Pakistani president Musharraf refused to act on solid intel on Bin Laden and other high-value Al qaeda targets. Hillary says Obama’s words “will destabilize a nuclear power…words matter and presidents should not always say what they think.” I then did some research and found out that Hillary told the Urban Radio Network’s April Ryan on August 2nd 2007 that “if we have actionable intelligence on high-value Al qaeda targets inside Pakistan, I would make sure they were killed or captured.”
Ok….so at this point, my decision to support Obama is solidified, and I start to wonder why those who support Hillary refuse to address her inconsistent positions. (posted by Gilberto)

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I see you — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:04:26 GMT

Some amazingly transparent Clinton plants on here, pretending to represent certain races, misrepresenting Obama's record, defaming Obama's past and race. Nice try, your campaign is surely as desperate as your personality changing candidate

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Stay Strong Stay Focus — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:09:24 GMT

I see Hillary Clinton is still having a Brittany Spears Moment.....She gonna lock her self up in the bathroom if you tried to take her Presidency away

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Politicien, Indiana — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:11:48 GMT

Lou, all the candidates spent a year going from house to house, church to church, school to school, being grilled by Iowans. I am black to and would be angry if was judged by the color of my skin. But to say that his winning because his black is wrong. Sharpton doesn't like him because he is not "black enough." Get informed about the biographies and issues of each candidate!

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Chris, Nashua, NH — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:13:34 GMT

I just can't believe that the Clinton camp still don't get it! too polarizing, too caustic, unscrupulously ambitious -- not likable. Well, lets show them what we mean again on tuesday. Fired up...Ready to go. Obama 08.

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j simpleton — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:19:18 GMT

HEY OBAMA may not be a bag of potato chips and more, but he is a MUCH MUCH better choice for loser Democrats than HILLARY, I BOUGHT MY SENATORSHIP, CLINTON.

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Allen Yeager, Portland,Oregon — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:20:15 GMT

What can a mix (white/black) non-Christain man who is so green in politics that it almost hurts to hear him speak? What does he bring to America?
Please-THINK before you respond. How many black people do you really know? Be honest...
I do hope for the best, but leave it to us Dems to shoot ourselves in the foot when we would have a better chance with Clinton.

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Marbw — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:21:35 GMT

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

Stacy, Gloucester, VA — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:28:08 GMT

Clinton can and might get elected but we need someone who can help get other Democrats elected as well. More people will come out to vote against her and that will prevent a working majority in congress so we can really have change. Hilary is the best fighter in the trenches but if Obama is elected he will bring enough others into the process that the Dems won't need to fight tooth and nail for basically nothing. That will be true change and meaningful change.

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ynw, ME — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:31:05 GMT

Oprah has nothing to do with this - she is just another citizen and her opinion is not what should convince anyone.

I support Obama because of my own discerning or his judgment, vision, graciousness, and leadership, which is not shrill desperation (like Hillary's).

Whatever experience Hillary is purporting is not about home much experience, but about what she has actually done -- where are the results she keeps talking about?

She is the kind politician we need to leave behind, people.

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fabooj — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:35:16 GMT

Um...Manuela, you're the first person to mention Oprah. Just because she endorsed Obama? Can you point me to your similar posts on Chuck Norris or Barbara Streisand? And your armchair psychology is just about on par with the hacktastic Dr. Phil. I'm thinking it's time you turn off your TV.

And thanks to First Read for finally putting up some facts even if it's not all the facts.

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Brandon, Edmond, OK — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:36:06 GMT

HILLARY IS ANSWERING ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS! GO TO ONE OF HER RALLIES AND MAYBE SHE'LL CALL ON YOU AND SHE WILL ANSWER THE EXPERIENCE QUESTION.
SEE, OLDER VOTERS KNOW SHE HAS EXPERIENCE. THE YOUNG VOTERS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT POLITICS. ALL THEY'VE EVER HEARD IS THE BAD THINGS ABOUT HER...FROM THE REPUBLICANS...SOME OF THE SAME YOUNG VOTERS WHO BENEFITED FROM SCHIP!!

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Kaye — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:41:17 GMT

Barack is a Christian - plz stop with the blatant lies, obviously a Clinton plant. My nephew is biracial, straight A student, superb athelete and has a great future. I would hope for him and my caucausian son and all of Americas black, white, red, yellow, etc children that we can look to a leader like Barack, who has integrity, character, and a vision of a united country, and let him inspire us to be a better country and a better ppl where the color of someones skin color and their ancestors religion are not preclusions from leading our country

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steve, albuquerque — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:41:42 GMT

has anyone seen the new UNH/CNN numbers? Obama up 10 points on Clinton. Yesterday they were tied

The only "Reality" here is that Clinton is going to get spanked on Tues in NH

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Politicien, Indiana — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:48:49 GMT

Keep insulting young voters. Keep telling us that we are uninformed and stupid. Keep telling us we won't show up and vote. We can relate to Obama. We connect with him.

And for those who keep saying Obama is not a Christian, shame on you. And for those who talk about his race, shame on you. This is the 21st century folks, its not the 60s anymore.

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Andy, Baltimore, MD — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:55:49 GMT

"Andy, you already proved that you are not knowledgeable and uninformed by saying Hillary and Obama are both in their 1st term of Senate. What more do you want to prove by spewing uninformed hatred about Hillary due to your blind sightedness?"

If one error in the midst of endless discourse constitutes "uninformed hatred" and "blind sightedness" to you, I feel genuinely sorry for you, sir. Your remarks are straight out of the Mark Penn playbook. Would you like to comment on my cocaine use?

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Jack Morris, Phoenix AZ — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:57:58 GMT

Allen Yeager, thanks for confirming what I was thought. I always knew that there racists in the Dem Party too. All that talk about loving blacks and minorities to portray the Rep party as racist and devisive. Keep going tell us more.

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nadeem, Canada — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:02:37 GMT

Hillary here i some reality for you ...

Obama up by 13 points, McCain up by 4 in USAT/Gallup Poll in N.H.

Sen. Barack Obama has opened up a 13 percentage point lead over Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in the battle for votes in Tuesday's New Hampshire primary, according to a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll conducted in the state from Friday through this afternoon. The results were just released.

On the Republican side, Sen. John McCain is 4 percentage points ahead of Mitt Romney.

The surveys of 776 New Hampshire residents who are "likely" to vote in the Republican primary and 778 New Hampshire residents who are "likely" to vote in the Democratic primary were all completed after the news from Thursday's Iowa caucuses had been reported.

The rundowns:

Democrats.

• Obama: 41%; up from 32% in the last USA TODAY/Gallup New Hampshire poll, taken in mid-December.
• Clinton: 28%; down from 32%.
• John Edwards: 19%; up from 18%.
• Gov. Bill Richardson: 6%; down from 8%.
• No one else above 3%.

Republicans.

• McCain: 34%; up from 27% in mid-December.
• Romney: 30%; down from 34%.
• Mike Huckabee: 13%; up from 9%.
• Rep. Ron Paul: 8%; down from 9%.
• Rudy Giuliani: 8%; down from 11%.
• No one else above 3%.

Each figure has a margin of error of +/- 4 percentage points. So Obama's lead is "outside" that range, while McCain's is not.

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

Sharon Bailey, Fairfax, Virginia — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:29:38 GMT

There is only one democrat who can deliver on change, it is Hillary Clinton. It's time to look beyond the poetry of Senator Obama's words and the hope he gives us all, to the person who has a COMMAND of the issues, the processes and a life-long record of battling on behalf of average Americans. Hillary's Administration will take us beyond just hope and deliver on change.

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

O, Philadelphia, PA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:30:53 GMT

I love some of these messages. Has anyone read any of Obama's books? Have you read Hillary's? What is the fundamental difference? One has been honest in their writing and one has not. What is Hillary's 35 years of experience? Riding on the coat tails of her husband because the country wasn't ready to accept a woman with that kind of power. Didn't we let her run the White House for 8 years already? Also, It is really a joke that Hillary can preach family values when we all know what type of family values her husband has. Do you think they went to marriage counseling?

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

Gene Britton, Dallas, Texas — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:32:17 GMT

Obama can not win the general election. He will lose all the sounthern and Border states, as well as new York and Pa. {and maybe more}.Rudy and or John McCain will not be as kind to him as you are. I am a liberal democrat { 81 years of age and a world war two veteran} and I live in Texas. I am saying goodbye to MSNBC, NBC and to Newsweek. I have already cancelled my newsweek because of Rowe. Remember GE owns these guys and you know what they do for a living.

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

ynw, ME — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:32:58 GMT

can you imagine hillary attempting diplomacy with foreign leaders and not getting what she wants? not presidential material -- she showed that last night. she calls it passion, but we're not that dense (i hope). that was a five-year-old not getting her way.

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

Kevin, Hurst Tx — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:45:33 GMT

When speaking of false hope, Hillary got into this race hoping America would be willing to vote for a woman. No woman has ever held this office. Se hopes we would forget how she hoped Bill would be a good husband and not cheat. That was false hope. I am all for supporting the premise of democracy which is we are created equal, but have the opportunity to distinguish ourselves as individuals if we have a dream, hope and the drive to face whatever comes our way. Nothing is false about wanting to charet a new path for America. Sure Obama is in bed with big business. No one gets anywhere without being connected to those that pay the bills. Billary, Romney, Hucklebuck, Guiliani and the lot of them are polticians, but Obama has the least ties to the old way of doing things wrong and ore sense of what we ned to do.

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teddy of orlando — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:57:52 GMT

do you smell trash i do oops its coming from hillary's mouth. More garbage

what will she think of next
i tell ya that lady will say and or do anyhting to win.

Thats too bad

shows she is a liar oops i mean disin ge hell i cant spell it liar lair pants on fire - i know that was childish

Bye bye Hillary

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A Truthful American — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:06:29 GMT

Barack Obama said lobbyist does not FUND his campaign and WILL NOT WORK in his WHITE HOUSE(2 year gap).
Lobbyist OR POPULAR FORMER GOVERNORS working on a campaign to attract voters is as American(democracy) as apple pie. Read the constitution-right to petition(they cannot be sent to a leper colony people. I get the difference(anyone that does not is naive or trying to make cheap POLITICAL points). By the way, the candidates all have them working on a campaign.
Marbw (Sent Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:21 PM)

By saying "By the way, the candidates all have them working on a campaign.", shows the hypocrisy of the highest level.

Nothing much is expected of Obama other than hypocrisy?

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Feduo — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:16:25 GMT

Dear Hillary,
In line with those of us that detest you and Bill. Did Barack Obama suffer a grevious head wound and
if not do you and Bill plan to make sure he gets one?

[ON THE SUBJECT OF OBAMA THE ANTI CHRIST]

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

NinaK — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:50:10 GMT

Hillary-a-la-hillarity and Billa-la-hold-up-the-inept Hill just do not get it!! They are sour grapes from almost three decades ago. This is a new century with a new view on politics. Things are NOT the same as back then, we have a new generation that's eager and willing to work for change in their lives and that want new blood in their leader. The tactics of scandals and deceipt DO NOT belong in today's world. The Clintons boast about their tenure in the White House; what they fail to mention is all the scandal and lies regarding Whitewater; Fostergate; Republican FBI Filegate, the Lincoln Bedroom Rentalgate, failed heath care--(they had an additional 7 years in which to work on this but didn't); Travelgate; the Chinese Financial Connection; questionalbe Chinese donations to the Cinton Library; questionable campaigne donations; rape, sexual harassment; Monicagate, lies to Americans and the enire world ("I did not have sex with that woman." Thanks to Monica for bringing out the truth by preserving her blue dress); lies to the Grand Jury; disbarment; bannishment from the Supreme Court; IMPEACHMENT! Disception and disgrace which they are still carrying on with today!! These comprise the Clintons' RESUME.

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K.P Chabria — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:53:51 GMT

Hilary is analogous in political experience to a College Professor,a senior attending surgeon who has worked hard at her trade.Barack is like an surgical intern,college instructor or junior associate,who appeals to youth as they can relate to hm.But who would you have as your surgeon,Dean,CEO?Someone who has been through all difficult situations (including the Republican Smear machine )before and has reharsed the role rather than someone who will have to wing it for the first time like an intern with no senior supervision .Objectivity is needed to elect a President and not Charm.We have had a difficult 8 years and now we need a smart,experienced "surgeon" Hilary, to fix the problem to save "patient" ,not an "intern" Obama

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NinaK — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:55:48 GMT

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

Mitch--Massachusetts — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:00:21 GMT

Mrs. Clinton did a good job in stressing her experience on Saturday night. I also really liked her comment that the chance to elect the first woman President is an opportunity for extraordinary change. I would like to see her stress this fact more often.

She has always been an agent of change and I very much respect her for the changes in our country that she helped create--changes in chidren's health care, child care, adoption, and education. Furthermore, as she has pointed out, a woman President would be change of the highest order! Women should be planning to vote for her in record numbers. They have an amazing opportunity here to elect a woman as President. They and we owe it to their daughters--and their sons. I see here the opportunity to demonstrate to all the women of our country and to all the children--girls and boys--in our schools that a girl can become anything--even President of the United States. Furthermore, I say that as a male educator/teacher/administrator who respects all that women bring and have brought to our government and our nation.

I firmly believe that many of the attacks against her would never be made if she were a man. We would be admiring her strength and determination, instead of insulting her and demeaning her. This often happens in politics at the local, state, and federal level whenever a strong woman steps forward to lead. I have rarely seen such venemous attacks on a candidate, and they are unacceptable and unworthy of such a great country. I respect Barak Obama as a dynamic new voice, but I will vote for Hilary Clinton on the basis of both her record/experience and her character.

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

Kaye — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:00:46 GMT

One difference "O" when you are talking about books and Hillary and Obama, Obamas autobiography is much more open and better reads. But when it comes to books written ABOUT them (biographies) Hillary must have nearing hundreds written about her, most not very flattering. I have read quite a few and read reviews of quite a few others. Her past is still very shady and the Republicans are going to have a field day (Vince Foster, pardons, Lewinsky and other women scandals/coverups, etc). Dont bother attacking me Hillary defenders, it is the truth and I do not waste my time fighting with fellow posters, hope that does not hurt your feelings.

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Kaye — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:21:18 GMT

Just what exactly is her experience? Take out time as first lady, that does not count or else Laura Bush has more experience in that department than Hillary. She is a senator, so is Obama and Edwards was too. How many votes does it take to be experienced enough to be president? Obama had crucial experience before his Washington senate seat, and his record is one of always looking out for ppl. Hillary now tries to say that is her record too, but that is mostly just her copycat tactic again.

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

PulSamsara — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:57:03 GMT

Here's some Reality for you: Sleep Well

The new USA Today/Gallup poll has Obama up by 13 points, 41% to Hillary's 28%, with John Edwards at 19%.

The new CNN/WMUR poll has Obama up by 10 points, 39% to Hillary's 27%, with John Edwards at 16%.

The new Strategic Vision poll has Obama up by 9 points, 38% to Hillary's 29%, with John Edwards at 19%.

The new ARG poll has Obama up by 12 points, 38% to Hillary's 26%, with John Edwards at 20%.

The new Rasmussen poll has Obama up by 12 points, 39% to Hillary's 27%, with John Edwards at 18%.

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

Baltimore, MD — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:17:09 GMT

Personally, given the way the debates went last night, I would be OK if any of the four candidates from the democratic party present at the debates became president. That being said, I truly agree with the examination of track records-- not just what people voted for (voting is important, but it isn't CREATING and ENACTING) but what the candidates have actually DONE. As a pediatrician, there is no question for me that Hillary is the candidate that will put children first-- given her track record. She is the reason why at my clinic in inner city Baltimore, we have the ability to vaccinate ALL children -- covered or not covered by insurance. Did you know that there are MANY insurance companies that DO NOT COVER MANDATORY IMMUNIZATIONS for children? Parents must pay. Because of Hillary, those that cannot afford to pay will still be vaccinated. "It takes a village" -- that is the attitude that will CHANGE this country because the children really are the POTENTIAL for CHANGE for our FUTURE. The candidate that puts CHILDREN FIRST does embody change.

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

Frustrated, St Paul, MN — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:41:18 GMT

I am about to blow my lid!! Don't you people get it? Obama is what.....a muslim?! He refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance?! What the heck is with that? He's only been in the senate for a year!!! Are you people awake?! He hasn't got the foggiest clue of how to run a dang country. He's never been there....neither has Edwards. Although he has more experience at least. Be realistic people. Who can go the distance and deal with the truly harsh realities of being President? There truly is only one rational and clear choice. I'm starting to believe that most of you people posting comments have not actually been involved in trying to make a presidential choice before this. Wake up, your country is crumbling and we need someone in there that has experience and is stubborn and is determined to correct the wrongs that we're all upset about. Do any of you actually understand the unbelievable complexities of running a country? Neither do I. And neither does anyone else with one years experience in the senate. Hillary is the only one who's been there.....although she may not have been to actual private meetings with Bill....you don't think that they talked afterwards!! Get a clue, I tell my husband everything...we talk all the time. Don't you think that Bill bounced ideas off of her? If you don't think that Hillary was intimately involved in the goings on in the presidency then you are not being realistic or open minded. Oh, and by the way...you people who have the audacity to claim that anyone who likes Hillary is a Clinton transplant. Get a blankity blank clue!! There are actual people who believe in her and you have no right to say we're implants. Unless you're Obama implants....then go ahead and insult away! You're idiots.
Also, I hate Bush. But he made a super forward stance on Iraq having WMD. People were fed what he wanted them to hear. Not what was actually the case. All of Congress voted based on what he supplied them with. So is it a wonder why senators voted to invade Iraq? They were all mislead. So they voted on what they were told. Lies. Read a few books and you will soon see. If you're not educated enough in the current government and the past....then stay the heck away from the polls. You have no business skewing the presidential process based on lack of correct information. And NO, I am NOT a dang Hillary implant. You people are truly clueless. And worse yet, you are determined to screw up the country further by pushing your lack of education on the matter on the rest of us.

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NinaK — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:46:36 GMT

wow!! Looks like the inevitable front runner has totally disentigrated!! Proof that if she cannot run an organized campaigne, she defintely cannot run our country!!! Proof that smears and meanness do NOT work!! Also all the different campaign Hill-a-this and Hill-that were not impressive; does this woman even know who she is?? Oh yes, and that likeability tour w/her mom, daughter and friends to show just how likable she is was a disgrace and an insult to all Americans. (Gee, mommy, please come help me show just how much you like me) Also, hey, bill, the polls aren't looking too great for me, PLLLLLEEEEAAAASSSEEE HELP RESCUE ME!! PROOF THAT AMERICA IS NOT BUYING THEIR SPINS AND DECEIPT!!

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jd — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:01:05 GMT

I have to admit Clinton is coming across as shrill as ever. I wish she could tone it down a bit because she has demonstrated that she listens to people and has specific plans. Of course the best thing about her is she can always just roll over on Bill in a crisis (that is, if she doesn't dump him--but who could even think that!)

That said, Obama gives as good as he gets, and I just don't get the right vibe from him. I get that the young love him, but his inexperience really makes me nervous.

Edwards sounds better than before, but just doesn't quite have me. Now Richardson is just as bizarre as Huckabee with his wacko space cadetry, but reminds me of Jon Lovitz playing Dukakis in the '88 vote: "I can't believe I'm losin to (these) guy(s.)" Somebody give him a cabinet, sure. But not VP. That could be Gore or Obama :)

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jd, Sellersville, PA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:04:15 GMT

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

Sally, New Hampshire — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:31:51 GMT

I'm embarrassed by the polls in NH reflecting a sudden Obama-wave since he won in Iowa. We have been face to face with these candidates for nearly a year, we've had the opportunity to get up close and personal and make up our own minds, and now suddenly the state of IOWA is majorly influencing our decision?? Where people who had to work that night and couldn't attend the caucuses couldn't even be represented, and where people don't get to choose their candidate privately but in a public forum?? C'mon, NH, we're not sheep!! We're not Oprah-worshippers or feel-good followers! We need to use our heads and pick the smartest and most prepared person for the job no matter what Oprah and Iowa say! Don't let them think for us! Hillary is the only one who will know how to start un-doing the attrocities of the Bush administration on day one. I am a nurse in NH and I'll be voting for Hillary on Tuesday and am encouraging others to not just jump on the "winner's" bandwagon, no matter how sparkly it looks driving out of Iowa.

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

KING OF SMEAR — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:14:15 GMT

HILLARY IS SUCH A DUMBASS, SHE KEEPS RUNNING DOWN BUSH WHO HAS A MUCH HIGER APPROVAL RATNG THAN HER AND THE DEMS IN CONGRESS

Hillary: time to 'separate rhetoric from reality'

C Nary, Whittier, CA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:23:36 GMT

I hope - AND PRAY - that folks will pay more attention to Obama's Muslim roots...ever wonder why he is not attacked by fundamentalist Muslims as an apostate (because he seems to have 'converted' to Christianity)? PLEASE remember that the Quran tells its believers that it is not only okay but they are URGED to lie in order to fool infidels (that's us - anyone who is not Muslim) - yes, he attended Catholic school in Indonesia....but was enrolled as a Muslim and was excused 5 times/day for Muslim prayers....and attended Mosque - and 'hung out' with his Muslim buddies....NH PLEASE wake up!
I grew up there....it USED to be a smart state! please vote SMART! vote Constitutionally!

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O, Philadelphia, PA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:20:05 GMT

C Nary...

What happened to freedom of religion. If you read the Quran correctly it says none of the claims you raise above. Just like with any other religious book (like the Bible) it is up to the interpretation of the reader (BTW, I am a Christian). What happened to Christian's being accepting.

Besides, this is not a religious race, it is a political one.

Has anyone noticed that Obama is the only one who can seem to keep his cool and act reasonable during the debates. He has typically not fallen into the normal political bating.

He is an agent for change. He has done that during the majority of his adult life. You talk about waking up. You need to wake up. Where in the Constitution does it say the president has to be Christian? Sounds to me like you really need to brush up on Article 2 of the Constitution.