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First thoughts: Where's the beef?

Robert Jorgenson, Salt Lake City, Utah — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:36:05 GMT

Mitt Romney,

Or should I say Flip Flopper Romney!

Mitt Romney's Flip Flop Record

ABORTION

From the Left:

Romney ran against Senator Edward M. Kennedy in 1994. During a debate, Romney declared: "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it."
- Boston Globe, March 2, 2006

"I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose."
-2002 Questionnaire for the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL)
Boston Globe, July 3, 2005

From the Right:

"I am pro-life. I believe that abortion is the wrong choice except in cases of incest, rape, and to save the life of the mother. I wish the people of America agreed, and that the laws of our nation could reflect that view. But while the nation remains so divided over abortion, I believe that the states, through the democratic process, should determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate."
- Boston Globe, Op-Ed, July 26, 2005

More from the Right:

"Every decision I have made as Governor in a very liberal state has been on the side of favoring life." – Governor Romney

- Robert Behre, "Romney Gets S.C. Support," Charleston Post-Courier, January 30, 2007

STEM CELL RESEARCH

From the Left:

"Romney has decided to support experimentation on surplus frozen embryos from in-vitro fertilization procedures."
- National Review Online, February 11, 2005

"At a campaign appearance at Brandeis University in June 2002, Romney strongly endorsed stem cell research."
- Boston Globe, December 17, 2006 Read the article

From the Center:

"Governor Mitt Romney set off a storm of criticism yesterday after he declared in a published interview that he favored banning a specific type of stem cell research. Scientists and the leader of the state Senate accused him of trying to block a promising avenue of research, even as antiabortion groups assailed him for declaring that he did not object to stem cell research involving embryos from fertility clinics."
- Boston Globe, February 11, 2005 Read the article

From the Right:

"I studied the issue for many months, and entered into conversation with experts from across the nation who were looking for consensus solutions, like Stanford's Dr. William Hurlbut. In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise, and that the way through it was around it: by the use of scientific techniques that could produce the equivalent of embryonic stem cells but without cloning, creating, harming, or destroying developing human lives."
- Governor Mitt Romney, Op-Ed, "A Stem-Cell Solution," National Review Online, June 15, 2007

EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTION

From the Left:

"When he ran for governor in 2002, Romney said he supported expanding access to the emergency contraception pill, a high dose of hormones that women can take to prevent pregnancy up to five days after sex . . . On a questionnaire Planned Parenthood gave to the gubernatorial candidates in 2002, Romney answered 'yes' to the question, 'Do you support efforts to increase access to emergency contraception?' "
- Boston Globe, July 7, 2005

From the Right:

"Yesterday I vetoed a bill that the Legislature forwarded to my desk. Though described by its sponsors as a measure relating to contraception, there is more to it than that. The bill does not involve only the prevention of conception: The drug it authorizes would also terminate life after conception."
- Governor Mitt Romney, Op-Ed, "Why I Vetoed The Contraception Bill," Boston Globe, July 26, 2005 Read the article

GAY RIGHTS

From the Left:

"All citizens deserve equal rights, regardless of their sexual orientation. While he does not support gay marriage, Mitt Romney believes domestic partnership status should be recognized in a way that includes the potential for health benefits and rights of survivorship."
- Romney's 2002 campaign website

"Mitt and Kerry Wish You a Great Pride Weekend! All citizens deserve equal rights, regardless of their sexual preference"
- A flier handed out at "Gay Pride" by the Romney/Healey Campaign See the flier here

"We have discussed a number of important issues such as the Federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), which I have agreed to co-sponsor, and if possible broaden to include housing and credit, and a bill to create a federal panel to find ways to reduce gay and lesbian youth suicide, which I also support. One issue I want to clarify concerns [grammar in context] President Clinton's "don't ask, don't tell, don't pursue" military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation's military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share…"
- Governor Romney letter to Log Cabin Republicans, October 6, 1994 Read the letter here

From the Right:

Lopez: "And what about the 1994 letter to the Log Cabin Republicans where you indicated you would support the Federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) and seemed open to changing the "don't ask, don't tell" policy in the military? Are those your positions today?

Gov. Romney: "No. I don't see the need for new or special legislation. My experience over the past several years as governor has convinced me that ENDA would be an overly broad law that would open a litigation floodgate and unfairly penalize employers at the hands of activist judges...As for military policy and the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy, I trust the counsel of those in uniform who have set these policies over a dozen years ago. I agree with President Bush's decision to maintain this policy and I would do the same."
- Interview with National Review, December 14, 2006 Read the interview

MARRIAGE AMENDMENT

From the Left:

In 2002, before the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court declared same-sex marriage protected by the Constitution, Romney denounced as "too extreme" the effort by pro-family groups to enact a preemptive state Marriage Protection Amendment prohibiting homosexual marriage, civil unions and same-sex public employee benefits.
- Boston Phoenix, May 14-20, 2004

From the Right:

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough: "Do you support a national constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage?"

Governor Romney: "Boy, I sure do. You know, that's a topic that's really, I think, very important to the country because marriage is not just about adults. Marriage is about the development and nurturing of kids, and in my view, the development of a child is enhanced by having a mom and dad. And so, I think it's very important that we have a national standard because marriage is a status. You get married in one place and then you move to another, you're still married at least in the eyes of the community and the children and the benefits may not follow you, but ultimately we're going to have one standard of marriage in this country and that standard ought to be one man and one woman."
- MSNBC's "Morning Joe" September 17, 2007

GUN RIGHTS

From the Left:

"He [Romney] is a supporter of the federal assault weapons ban."
- Romney 2002 campaign website

More from the Left:

In his 1994 US Senate run, Romney backed two gun-control measures strongly opposed by the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights groups: the Brady Bill, which imposed a five-day waiting period on gun sales, and a ban on certain assault weapons.

"That's not going to make me the hero of the NRA," Romney told the Boston Herald in 1994.

At another campaign stop that year, he told reporters: "I don't line up with the NRA."
- Boston Globe, January 14, 2007 Read the article

From the Right:

"Americans should have the right to own and possess firearms as guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution," said Governor Romney. "I'm proud to be among the many decent, law-abiding men and women who safely use firearms."
- Governor Romney, News Release, January 12, 2007

WAITING PERIODS FOR GUNS

From the Left:

Regarding the Brady Bill which required waiting periods to buy a handgun, Romney stated, "I don't think [the waiting period] will have a massive effect on crime but I think it will have a positive effect."
- Boston Herald, August 1, 1994

From the Right:

"Romney says he still backs the ban on assault weapons, but he won't say whether he stands by the Brady Bill. And after the gun show tour, his campaign declined to say whether he would still describe himself as a supporter of tough gun laws."
- Boston Globe, January 14, 2007 Read the article

MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE

From the Left:

"The minimum wage is important to our economy and Mitt Romney supports minimum wage increase, at least in line with inflation."
- Romney 2002 campaign website

From the Right:

Governor Mitt Romney yesterday rejected the Legislature's plan to raise the state minimum wage to $8 an hour over two years, angering Democratic lawmakers and advocates who accused him of abandoning a 2002 campaign pledge to significantly boost the pay of low-wage workers.
- Boston Globe, July 22, 2006 Read the article

EDUCATION

During his 1994 campaign for Senate he continually called for the abolishment of the Department of Education.
- Club for Growth's White Paper on Mitt Romney

Governor Romney now supports the No Child Left Behind Act.
- Club for Growth's White Paper on Mitt Romney

IMMIGRATION

From the Left:

In a November 2005 interview with the Boston Globe, Romney described immigration proposals by McCain and others as "quite different" from amnesty, because they required illegal immigrants to register with the government, work for years, pay taxes, not take public benefits, and pay a fine before applying for citizenship.

"That's very different than amnesty, where you literally say, 'OK, everybody here gets to stay,' " Romney said in the interview. "It's saying you could work your way into becoming a legal resident of the country by working here without taking benefits and then applying and then paying a fine."

Romney did not specifically endorse McCain's bill, saying he had not yet formulated a full position on immigration. But he did speak approvingly of efforts by McCain and Bush to solve the nation's immigration crisis, calling them "reasonable proposals."

Romney also said in the interview that it was not "practical or economic for the country" to deport the estimated 12 million immigrants living in the US illegally. "These people contribute in many cases to our economy and to our society," he said. "In some cases, they do not. But that's a whole group we're going to have to determine how to deal with."
- Boston Globe, March 16, 2007 Read the article

From the Right:

In his appeals to conservative voters, Romney has made the Arizona senator's work on immigration one of his favorite targets. When McCain and other senators unveiled the latest reform bill two weeks ago, Romney called it the "wrong approach" and immediately launched a television ad slamming "amnesty" for illegal immigrants.
- Boston Globe, June 1, 2007 Read the article

TAXES

From the Left:

"Governor Romney…imposed a slew of fee hikes and tax 'loophole' closures….The largest of these was $259 million worth of fee hikes in FY 2004, the bulk of which came from higher Registry of Deeds fees. Smaller fee hikes, including higher charges for boaters and golfers, we imposed in FY 2003 and FY 2005. Romney also sought $128 million worth of so-called tax loophole closures for FY 2004; $70 million for FY 2005; and $170 million for FY 2006, which were later reduced to $85 million due to backlash from business leaders."
- Club for Growth's White Paper on Mitt Romney

"Romney continues to oppose the flat tax with harsh language, calling the tax 'unfair.'"
- Club for Growth's White Paper on Mitt Romney

Romney didn't support President Bush's tax cuts in 2003. That earned him praise from liberal Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA)
- Boston Globe, April 11, 2003.

From the Right:

"I said no to a tax hike; raising taxes hurts working people and scares away jobs. I also said no to more borrowing; borrowing just shifts our problems to the backs of our kids...Instead, I went after waste, inefficiency, duplication, and patronage."
- Governor Romney, Boston Globe, October 24, 2005

NO NEW TAXES PLEDGE

From the Left:

In 2002, Romney broke with his predecessor, Jane Swift, and Republican governors before her by declining to sign a written vow not to raise taxes once in office.

- Boston Globe, January 5, 2007 Read the article

From the Right:

Almost five years after he refused to sign a "no new taxes" pledge during his campaign for governor, Mitt Romney announced yesterday that he had done just that, as his campaign for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination began in earnest.
- Boston Globe, January 5, 2007 Read the article

CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS

From the Left:

Governor Romney has changed his position on key campaign finance reform issues several times during public life. During his 1994 Senate campaign, he held far left positions that advocated for abolishing PACs and creating strict campaign spending limits.

- Club for Growth's White Paper on Mitt Romney

From the Right:

As he runs for President, Romney abandoned his previous stance and has come out as a harsh critic of McCain-Feingold, and those presidential candidates who support it. His transformation has even propelled him to call for the legislation's repeal.
- Club for Growth's White Paper on Mitt Romney

ON HIS FAVORITE BOOK

From the Left:

He told Fox News his favorite book is L. Ron Hubbard's "Battlefield Earth"

From the Right:

He also told Fox news his favorite book is the The Bible

Or

Who Knows:

His MySpace page said his favorite book is "Huckleberry Finn"

Read more news articles on Mitt Romney's Record
Watch a video from Mitt Romney's 1994 debate with Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA)

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Kym — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:36:45 GMT

Talk about desperation, Did you see the debate? Clinton said "Words don't inspire people", she just killed the power of the "I HAVE A DREAM" speech, and the whole premise of "gospel music", oh, let's just stop listening to preachers why don't we? I mean really, if she just sticks to what she believe in, instead of trying to knock down others she would do much better!!

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Kym — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:36:58 GMT

First thoughts: Where's the beef?

Martin Koehler, Keane N.H. — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:37:15 GMT

I've been wondering when/if the media would ever call Obama out on his mantra of non-specific "change."
He talks about change all the time.
But, he never says what specific changes he'll make.
I think it's about time for the press to be a little more fair with him, and start asking him specifically what he means. So far, they've treated him with "kid gloves."

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P.D. — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:39:33 GMT

Has any one noticed what a feeding frenzy this preelection coverage is doing? It seems all legitimate news has been wiped off the airwaves. Obama up 13 points! McCain attacks Romney! Iraq, Black Water, the destuction of the CIA tapes are all pushed aside or tucked on page15 in the papers. This is the corporate masters throwing a bone to the masses and MSM picking up the bait.

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James, Flag Staff, AZ — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:42:14 GMT

MCCAIN VS. HUCKABEE it looks like now it is just the two as Republicans we need to unite and pick between John McCain and Mike Huckabee and let us advance one of the two and get a Republican into office.

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Chuck, NY — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:42:40 GMT

"We've sensed that a lot of reporters (even the ones taken with his tone) believe he hasn't been very specific. Will he drown us all in white papers?"

You folks are pompous jerks. If you are so gung-ho to tear down a candidate over issues, then run for office yourselves. Start listening and read the tea leaves First Read. The country wants changes, and that includes your reporting tactics.

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Christine Tran — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:42:47 GMT

"Where's the beef!"? Hillary is so, . . yesterday.

You know Hillary, for someone that hasn't accomplishment anything major in her political life and is running around telling lies about how experienced you are, you should be a little careful when pointing out the credentials of other candidates.

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Joe Weinstein, Washington, DC — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:43:48 GMT

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:44:00 GMT

I find the "Where's the Beef" argument a bit comical - Senator Obama has a health care proposal, an education proposal, and a Social Security proposal. Senator Clinton pledges to form a bi-partisan commission for Social Security and mandate that we buy health insurance at today's outrageous prices.

Senator Clinton has spent the bulk of her campaign telling us what Senator Obama can't do, not what she can do. The simple fact is, no matter how great your plans are, you can't govern with the support of only half of the country.

Senator Obama's most important plan is to get a mandate from a WORKING MAJORITY of America's voters to govern this country with integrity and vision, not fear and doubt.

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Bill C., NY — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:45:01 GMT

I know where the beef is!

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Pat, Boston, MA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:45:25 GMT

Am I going insane or what?? I couldn’t wait to get up this morning (a Monday morning no less!!!!!) to turn on Joe Scarborough/MSNBC to get everyone’s take on the campaign thus far. It has been so interesting and exciting to see how everything is playing out - quite the opposite from what I had imagined. I thought people would go into this election year very ho-hum, completely fed up with the process. I have been thankfully proven wrong.

A reminder from our youth that had somehow been forgotten until last week - if you want change, then you have to GO OUT and make change.

It’s now starting to sink in that we can now - at long last - turn our attention away from the awful, dreadful Bush years and begin to look towards the future.

Change is in the air. Finally.

Great, great program Morning Joe and Mika.

(Patriots/Giants).

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:50:17 GMT

I'm sure Hillary's investigators are being horse whipped into finding something and fast against Obama. It would take a finding of him fooling around on his wife or another man to beat him now.

On a Saturday night when she has some free time, she likes to do some "kind of cleaning activity. I find cleaning closets and drawers to be extremely gratifying because you know there is a beginning, a middle and an end.

I'm sure she has done a very good cleaning of Obama's closets and found them to be very clean. Now her closets are another story....

“We can’t be a new story, I’m sorry. I can’t make her younger, taller, male.”

Bill Clinton did not seem to have that problem with Monica....

If the republicans are going to be dragged into this change vs experience nonsense, then I guess we need to elect somebody who has not had any ties to the Washington scene.

Mitt found out what happens when you get ganged up by the others. He did better Sunday then Saturday night. I'm sure Obama saw the gang up inbetween the football game and the GOP debate and called John Edwards and said "Did you see that???? Hmmmm...I have an idea.."

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Web Hubbell — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:50:18 GMT

Hillary says: "On a Saturday night when she has some free time, she likes to do some "kind of cleaning activity. I find cleaning closets and drawers to be extremely gratifying because you know there is a beginning, a middle and an end."

Come across any billing records Hillary?

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:54:17 GMT

With all due respect, any journalists who think Obama hasn't been specific enough are clearly incompetent. Between his speeches, his extensive federal and state legislative record of eleven years, and the policies listed on his website, any literate person - whether they agree with Obama's positions or not - can tell what he intends to do as President. Are we supposed to believe that you guys don't know how to use Google?

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Jatin Shawn — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:57:19 GMT

Talk about desperation, Did you see the debate? Clinton said "Words don't inspire people" <<- Kym

Did Hillary really say that? No way. She's not that stupid, is she?

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:58:39 GMT

Martin Koehler - the change Obama has been suggesting for a year isn't complicated, though while its something most of the country has been painfully wanting for decades, it does seem to be a concept Clinton supporters can't fathom.

Its simply an end to the childish part of the partisan trench wars. Republicans aren't evil. Independents aren't indecisive flakes. There are areas in which we can work toward consensus, in an atmosphere of political differences though mutual respect. That's it, in a nutshell. We want our leaders to stop acting like children.

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Arshad, Newburgh, NY — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:59:20 GMT

Senator Obama has more beef than Senator Clinton.

If reporters are not finding them, then they are not doing their job right. Go to www.barackobama.com and he has well thought out policy details on Iraq, Education, Environment, Foreign policy, rural agenda, economic policy, healthcare you name it. They are detail, well planned and admired by experts of each areas.

For those reporters, I remind you, when he presented those policy proposal, you guys were busy in coronating the inevitable Clinton, he did not get your attention or a space in your column.

Ask Clinton what is her plan on Iraq? She will say she will have one within 60 days of her insuguration. Ask her about how she will solve social security? She will say i she will reduce the deficit first by turning economy around and then will figure out what to do about them. These are not plans. Obama has much better plan than hers. She does not wanna talk about her plans because she will be attacked by Repubs later. She does not care if people who will elect her deserve to know what will be her policies to impact their lives.

Again, for our wonderful professional media experts, all policy details are at your finger tip. People can take the horses to water but can't make the horse to drink. Horses have to drink on their own.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

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John, Lake Worth, Fl. — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:06:28 GMT

You guys are nuts. Romney clearly won the debate last night. The focus group of N.H. voters saw it that way and yet you call it a draw. In the future please hide your own agenda better. If you watched last night you saw that Romney is the only Republican that can beat Obama in 08.

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diane — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:11:02 GMT

First Read, the next time the Hillarylanders whine about substance in regards to Obama, please direct them to his web site and there is all kinds of policy.
Actually,I remember Obama giving alot of policy speeches in the summer while the media complained he was not being exciting. So, what else do you want???

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Scott — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:11:59 GMT

First Read: can somebody please start calling out Hillary on the "experience" question instead of just parroting her claims?

WHAT HAS SHE ACCOMPLISHED? In the debate Saturday night, when she was putting "the beef" behind her claims of having accomplished change, she mentioned healthcare as her big accomplishment during Bill Clinton's administration. Huh?

The Clinton camp is whining about the press not having vetted Obama. Why doesn't the press highlight the fact that she CLAIMS to have done things without any substance to back it up.

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John, Lake Worth, Florida — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:19:10 GMT

This would be a great Romney ad: "I'm Mitt Romney and yes I am a Flipper...I've flipped dozens of broken businesses making them profitable again...I flipped the debt and scandal ridden Olympics, turning a profit and restoring honor and integrity...I Flipped the Massachusetts Budget from a $3 Billion shortfall to a surplus that we used to expand health coverage...And I'll Flip Washington too by saying "NO" to earmark pork-barrel spending, holding government spending BELOW inflation, preventing Social Security from going Bankrupt, and improving the efficiency of our government."

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Steve, Hartford, CT — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:21:55 GMT

Two others have already said it, and more probably will get their comments posted before I do, but the alleged "lack of substance" is the media's fault, not Obama's. Remember the actionable intelligence-go-after-pakistan-speech? That wasn't about Pakistan. It was about foreign policy with a focus on combating terrorism. But all we heard from the media was Pakistan. I read that whole speech, and it was excellent.

He's given substantive speeches on several topics so far this campaign season, and they've all been ignored. When he's substantive, he gets ignored, and when he uses soaring rhetoric he gets accused of lacking "beef." That's what's known as a catch-22. Do your job, MSM.

Obama '08!

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jstip, Perry, OH — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:22:00 GMT

Shouldn't Bloomberg endorse Obama at this point since he is running a bi-partisan campaign ? This seems obvious to me at this point. Is it just me ? Also, I like Bloomberg for VP. I thought tihs was what they may have discussed over eggs.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:24:54 GMT

If Hillary is serious about this "35 years of experience "nonsense, she needs to start backing it up with facts, starting with year one....

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M. Davis, New Hampshire — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:25:19 GMT

*****BREAKING NEWS!!*****

The specifics about Obama's plan in Iraq are starting to come out, and it is not pretty. A hed staffer for the Obama campaign speaking on FOX news this morning, said that Obama's Iraq plan would be as follows: on DAY ONE, Obama plan will be to immediately remove one brigade of American troops from Iraq on DAY ONE of his Presidency, and then remove one brigade of American troops each month, until ONE brigade of American troops and ONE counter terrorism unit is left to protect Democratic installations and fight Al Qaeda in Iraq. Obama and his campaign don't have a clue about what they are doing. People, our country is facing some of the most challenging times in American History, the ongoing war against Al Qaeda, unemployment above 5%, high oil/gas prices, a tanking economy that is going toward recession, mortgage foreclosure, millions of Americans without any health insirance, the list goes on and on. It is scary, but what is even more scary to me, is the fact the Obama Iraq plan that they just announced on FOX news. Incredible! Obama and his team don't knwo what they are talking about and showed their total lack of experience this morning. That is not a plan to get us out of Iraq safely, that is a plan that is insane and will get our men and women in uniform killed. Just on the whim, on DAY ONE, Obama will remove a brigade and keep removing brigades until we are down to one brigae and one counter terrorism unit to fight Al Qaeda in Iraq. WOW! JUST WOW!
The head staffer for Obama went on to say that she hopes everyone starts drinking the Obama elixir. Do the Obama people think the American people are stupid? What in the world is the Obama camp thinking? Obama and his campaign folks really are inexperienced. Incredible!

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George Powell, Manchester, NH — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:30:04 GMT

".....With all due respect, any journalists who think Obama hasn't been specific enough are clearly incompetent. ....." Shadow, Hamden, CT (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 9:54 AM)

Okay Shadow. So then tell us specifically what Obama is going to change.

".....Martin Koehler - the change Obama has been suggesting for a year isn't complicated, though while its something most of the country has been painfully wanting for decades, it does seem to be a concept Clinton supporters can't fathom.
Its simply an end to the childish part of the partisan trench wars. Republicans aren't evil. Independents aren't indecisive flakes. There are areas in which we can work toward consensus, in an atmosphere of political differences though mutual respect. That's it, in a nutshell. We want our leaders to stop acting like children......"
Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 9:58 AM)

Paul, I didn't ask what's wrong with the political process, I asked how Obama is agoing to change it.
You see, Democrats like Hillary have tried to be Bi-Partisan, and have tried to cooperate with the right wing before.
But, when they did, people like Obama trashed them for doing it.
So what is Obama really saying? That the Republicans are going to roll over for him, and him alone?
Or, is he saying that he's going to give in to them?
Either way, we still don't know what "changes" Obama would bring because he never tells us.
Your response "sounds good," Paul.
But, it really doesn't answer the question.
Very specifically, what is Obama going to change?
I think we have a right to know.

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Wishful Thinking — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:32:31 GMT

Dream Team: Barack Obama and Colin Powell
Who could argue with that?

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Dot, Illinois — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:33:49 GMT

Question for the First Read team: Do you think Obama, if he were the nominee, could get Bloomberg for the VP spot? Seems like it would be win-win for both (except for the lack of foreign policy experience).
Joe Weinstein, Washington, DC (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 9:43 AM)

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Interesting thought. I would think since the "experience" issue is perceived as a trouble spot for Senator Obama that he might go with someone with more foreign policy experience such as Richardson or Biden, especially if Senator McCain gets the Rep nod. Personally, since I supported Senator Biden for President, I think he would be the perfect choice. His only down side would be that Delaware does not bring many electoral votes onboard for Senator Obama, but he certainly would give wonderful foreign policy credentials to the ticket. As in some ways, would Senator Dodd--but I think Senator Biden would be a better campaigner.

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KING OF SMEAR — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:35:52 GMT

DID YOU FIND YOUR THESIS ON COMMUNISM WHILE CLEANING HILLARY, OR THE PAPERS FROM BILLS LIBRARY YOU REFUSE TO RELEASE. DO YOU FIND MORE PAPERS THAT GOT LOST FROM VINCE FOSTER 'S DEATH, AND SOME ACCIDENTALLY TURNED UP ON A TABLE YEARS LATER, THIS IS THE MOST DISGUSTING WOMAM IN THE WORLD.

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AP from IL — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:36:04 GMT

If "where's the beef" is Hillary's latest argument I think you can add that to the growing pile of useless campaign themes that aren't working for her. For one thing, where is Hillary's beef? After 35 years, or whatever her claimed amount of tireless service is, there should be a alot of beef.

Certainly in Obama's short time on the scene he has accomplished quite a bit. He was not afraid to tackle tough issues in IL such as the death penalty and ethics reform. In the US Senate he worked extensively on addressing nuclear proliferation and reducing the threat of loose weaponry falling into the wrong hands.

As a presidential candidate, he put together, in no time, a team that is successfully taking on the massive political machine of an establishment candidate and doing so without resorting to the same dirty tricks and personal attacks that have been used against him.

He has displayed a level of intellect, leadership skills and personal integrity that I didn't even think was possible in a modern politician. Obviously he can't do it alone but given the type of Democratic congressional sweep he is likely to inspire in Novemeber against the disillusioned GOP, I feel the type of fundemental changes he is talking about are well within reach.

As long as we're using beef analogies I plan to order Obama's fillet mignon over Hillary's ground roud.

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:37:34 GMT

From the LA Times:
Clintons fight for primary rebound
There are signs of a crumbling strategy.

By Mark Z. Barabak, Peter Nicholas and Robin Abcarian, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
January 7, 2008
NASHUA, N.H. -- With their presidential hopes and political legacy on the line, Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband battled across New Hampshire on Sunday, fighting to become the comeback couple of the 2008 race.

Change was the word on their lips as they campaigned across this slushy state -- separately, to cover more ground -- taking thinly veiled shots at rival Barack Obama.

"You campaign in poetry. You govern in prose," Hillary Clinton told a raucous rally at a high school gym in Nashua, where the overflow crowd matched the Illinois senator's audience a day earlier.

Later, talking to reporters, she acknowledged some retooling in her campaign and drew a proverbial line in the snow. "If the campaign doesn't evolve, it probably is dead," she said. "And I don't intend for it to be anything other than a winning campaign."

In North Conway, in the picturesque White Mountains, former President Clinton challenged Obama's oft-stated boast that he, alone among the major Democratic contenders, had opposed the Iraq war from the start. Bill Clinton cited a July 2004 interview in which Obama offered a somewhat more qualified statement of opposition.

"The point is, it's inconsistent," Clinton said....'

Is THAT ALL YOU GOT ?
Hillary has consistently followed the polls on Iraq
She was for it, before she was against it

'...Clinton is undeniably on the defensive. A new batch of polls showed Obama steadily climbing in New Hampshire, after his unexpectedly strong victory in Iowa.

And in an ominous sign for Clinton, a recent University of New Hampshire survey found 6 in 10 Democratic voters said it was more important to them to find a candidate who could bring about change than to elect one with experience. In Iowa, the change argument also won out over experience, greatly benefiting Obama, according to a survey of voters entering their polling places....'

'...Members of Clinton's campaign circle, who operated with a confidence verging on cockiness over the last year, seemed perplexed by the abrupt turn the race has taken -- and grateful they had left Iowa, where voters expect the politicking to be more genteel.

Clinton's strategy had been to cast herself as the inevitable Democratic nominee, clearing the field with a series of early wins. Iowa was always seen as troublesome, given its leftward leanings, and New Hampshire was supposed to be a firewall.

There are signs, however, that wall is crumbling. So lately, the Clinton camp has begun playing up the importance of other states, in case of another disappointment in Tuesday's New Hampshire primary.

"We have the resources to go on," campaign Chairman Terry McAuliffe told reporters in a post-Iowa conference call, pointing to the avalanche of states voting Feb. 5. It is a message the Clinton team has been privately delivering to jittery supporters and donors in a series of buck-'em-up phone calls made over the last several days.

Inevitably, second-guessing and backbiting has begun within the campaign, some of it long-standing but finally emerging from behind closed doors.

Some Clinton strategists said privately they would liked to have seen the candidate make a greater effort to show the warmer, more personal side that was emphasized during a tour near the end of the Iowa contest....'

Good luck !!
The walls are closing in on Hillary
Get ready for a loss in New Hampshire....
And a loss in South Carolina......

GAME OVER !!
How sette it is !!

TURN THE PAGE

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A.Brocco,Albuquerque,NM — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:37:41 GMT

James/Flag Staff/AZ

Where have you been for the last 7 yrs? "...and get a Republican into office." The point now is...WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER REPUBLICAN IN THE OFFICE!" Only 379 days left until he is gone!

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David Munez, Concord NH — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:37:42 GMT

Steve in Hartford....
Okay, so maybe you can tell us what Obama is going to "change."
Because, quite frankly, I've only heard him say the word itself.
I never hear him say what he's going to change.
Please tell us.

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:38:28 GMT

Please !!

Obama/Edwards '08
Honesty, Integrity, REAL REFORM

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Peter Smith, Darien Conn. — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:39:46 GMT

Yeah, you know I wasn't going to say anything.
But, I noticed that too.
Obama talks about "change".
But he never says what he's going to change.
How come the media never asks him, even in the debates?

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:40:13 GMT

M. Davis, New Hampshire wrote:
"People, our country is facing some of the most challenging times in American History, the ongoing war against Al Qaeda, unemployment above 5%, high oil/gas prices, a tanking economy that is going toward recession, mortgage foreclosure, millions of Americans without any health insirance, the list goes on and on. It is scary, but what is even more scary to me, is the fact the Obama Iraq plan that they just announced on FOX news. "

Being afraid of everything is not a solution. Regardless of whether your post is correct or not, I refuse to be afraid for the next 20 years.

Come what may, if America is always REACTING to problems or perceived threats with blind fear instead of having the courage to face the reality of the situation and take POSITIVE STEPS to CHANGE things, we will still be facing the same problems 100 years from now.

After 8 year of fear mongering and lies, how are our lives better or safer? All of the problems you have listed have gotten worse, not better under the hapless management of self serving politicians in BOTH parties for the past 20 years.

Your post confirms what many Americans have alread figured out - it's time for a NEW APPROACH!

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Al, KS — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:45:00 GMT

It's been a year, folks. Everything has been covered over and over and over again. Everything ever written from kindergarden on. Everything ever said. Every book ever written, Every issue, every white paper, every speech. Every vote ever taken. Everything. To say that the media or the campaigns have not fully covered the candidates is just desperate and absurd. We've heard the issues, we've heard the rhetoric, we've heard the pudits, we've heard the negative, we've heard the positive. And we've made a choice.

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:45:02 GMT

Who in the hell listens to faux news??????? The spew channel of this administration, come on let's get real. Change is coming.

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bluestateken — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:45:35 GMT

OBAMA/BIDEN '08

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:45:43 GMT

"If there's one thing that Obama is good at on the campaign trail, it's taking the attacks of his opponents and making light of them on the campaign trail" The Democrats seem be be getting MUCH better at dealing with attacks, the ONE thing that has taken Republicans to victory in the last 2 elections, and Congressional elections going back several cycles further. It simply doesn't work to ignore the attacks, or declare yourself above the fray, or put together a wimpy, waffling answer. Whether it's Obama turning an attack into an asset, a Clinton-style rapid response team, or Edwards simply refusing to back down, this is one more place where the Democratic party is stronger than ever before.

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:47:16 GMT

I see that David Anders declared himself King at 10:35.

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Lucinda, Allbuquerque, New Mexico — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:48:15 GMT

To M.Davis, NH

All I can say is WOW! No matter what the plan is for getting our troops home, it is a giant step in the right direction compared to the plan that idiot in the W.H. has come up with. All the Repub.crooks running for the idiot's job want to keep stepping in tune with him (with the exception of R. Paul). That won't get any of them into the oval office except as a visitor.

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:48:46 GMT

George Powell, Manchester, NH: '...Paul, I didn't ask what's wrong with the political process, I asked how Obama is agoing to change it....'

Let's start with the crooked 'pay to play' strategy
Hillary has been giving earmarks to her campaign contributors
Let's jave honest campaigns, without Norman Hus's and Peter Pauls
There are ALWAYS scandals bubbling around the Clintons.... there aren't any around Obama

'...You see, Democrats like Hillary have tried to be Bi-Partisan, and have tried to cooperate with the right wing before....'

You mean NAFTA and WTO ?
The Clintons have been pushing a 'Republican lite' agenda including loosening the rules on media ownership.....
They've done NOTHING for working people

'...So what is Obama really saying? That the Republicans are going to roll over for him, and him alone?...'

Hillary is TOO DIVISIVE
'If you want someone who'll stand up to the Republican attack machine....'
NO thanks, Hillary

'...Or, is he saying that he's going to give in to them?
Either way, we still don't know what "changes" Obama would bring because he never tells us....'

'...Very specifically, what is Obama going to change?
I think we have a right to know....'

How about HONEST GOVERNMENT ?
How about ending the 'politics of personal destruction' ?
How about ending the 'poll driven' foreign policy of Hillary ?
How about ending skirt chasing in the White House ?

OBAMA WAS AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR
Hillary was for it

Deal with THAT !

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John Walsh Purrysburg South Carolina — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:49:43 GMT

You know what, I've noticed the same thing.
I was going to support Obama
But, now I don't know if I should.
He never says what he'll change. He just says the word change, an awful lot.
I'm kind of surprised the press hasn't asked him what he means by "change."
Someone else on this board says it means he won't fight with the republicans.
Isn't it kind of silly to think that they're going to lay down for him, after fighting and bickering with Democrats far more Bi-Partisan than he is?
And anyway, doesn't he criticize Hillary for voting with Republicans? I don't quite understand what he means now.
He says he won't fight with the republicans, but he goes after Hillary for cooperating with them. (?)
That's kind of contradictive, isn't it?
I'm afraid I don't understand what exactly Obama's message is now, or what it is that he's going to change. I think he should do some explaining.

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Keith Wilkerson, Stamford Ct. — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:53:15 GMT

".....Your post confirms what many Americans have alread figured out - it's time for a NEW APPROACH!....."
Nashville_fan (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 10:40 AM)

Okay so, I'm sure you wouldn't mind telling us what that new approach is.

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Mickey G., Tyler TX — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:53:45 GMT

> Who in the hell listens to faux news???????
>
> Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA

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Apparently, lots of people. They are by far #1 in the cable ratings you know.

Now, just run off and listen to your NPR. And as far as my tax dollars being used to support it, you're welcome.

> Change is coming.

Indeed.

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:56:58 GMT

'...: “We’re going to lose South Carolina,” a Clinton adviser told the Politico. So could this mean Clinton sort of skips South Carolina? It's something the chattering class is talking about: Should she or shouldn't she? Is the state unwinnable?...'

Is Hillary 'electable' ?

She lost in the Mid West ... Iowa
She'll lose in New England ... New Hampshire
She's conceding the South ? ... South Carolina

Is Hillary 'electable' ?
Shouldn't we nominate the 'most electable' candidate?

If she loses ALL THREE what's her rationale for running ?

What are Hillary's 3 biggest accomplisments in the Senate ?
What has SHE DONE as a Senator ?

Not during the Clinton administration....

What are HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS ?
ANYBODY ?

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:59:54 GMT

George, you're looking for a wonkish answer. There isn't one. Its simply a question of maturity, which voters seem to find in Obama.

Look at Clinton talking about working with Republicans just a couple days ago. Actually I think Bill said this - something about "dealing with the devil" to get things done. I think people are looking for someone who doesn't have what I at least see as a childish need to get the last insult (aka - the last shove on the playground).

We're just tired of it. Its childish. Its divisive. It makes people groan that we don't have adults in charge of Washington.

So, now we have hope that an actual adult is running.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:00:06 GMT

Who in the hell listens to faux news??????? The spew channel of this administration, come on let's get real. Change is coming.

Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 10:45 AM)

I guess your post shows the reason why Hillary will be pulling out of the race shortly huh Terry?

She kind of gave in when she sent one of her senior team members to be interviewed on Sean Hannitty's radio show the other day. Almost flipped my car over when I heard that one....

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:03:27 GMT

Keith Wilkerson, Stamford Ct. wrote:

"Okay so, I'm sure you wouldn't mind telling us what that new approach is. "

You know Keith, if the policies that Senator Obama has proposed and talked about until his voice is giving out have not swayed you, I doubt anything I can say will either.

I wish you well in your search, and hope that you will eventually come the conclusion that I did - Senator Obama is the best choice to be the next President of the United States.

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Dante — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:04:09 GMT

I'm afraid I don't understand what exactly Obama's message is now, or what it is that he's going to change. I think he should do some explaining.

John Walsh Purrysburg South Carolina (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 10:49 AM)

Or John, maybe you should do some more reading. I suggest you visit www.barackobama.com, where everything is laid out for you. And if you don't like reading, simply go to YouTube and listen to any of his speeches!!

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Terry, Disabled Vet, Des Moines, IA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:08:24 GMT

Mickey G., Tyler TX, I don't listen to NPR but hey, cable vs regular news channels ---go figure on that one, I do know one thing change is coming and for starters the dunce in chief will no longer be news and it is about dang time.

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Henry James, Putnam Township, Michigan — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:09:14 GMT

Wow Sierra, you mean Barrack Obama is going to stop Hillary from chasing skirts in The White House?
First you write, "How about ending the 'politics of personal destruction' ?"
Then you write, "How about ending skirt chasing in the White House ?"
Isn't your very angry response to George in Manchester aliken to the 'politics of personal destruction' ?
I think there are some good questions being asked here today.
What exactly is it, that Barrack Obama is going to change? He never says what it is.
Look I'm just trying to figure out who to vote for here, I haven't made my mind up yet.
Change sounds good to me.
But I gotta' know what change someone's planing to make.
So far Obama hasn't told anyone.
I will say this. His supporters on this board are very "motivated."
I just don't understand why they're so mad, and mean spirited towards people who ask questions.

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Steve, Hartford, CT — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:12:44 GMT

Well, George Powell from Manchester, part of the change we'll see with Obama is already started. He is, in the course of this campaign, building a working majority for change. We're already seeing independents and moderate republicans shifting to his side, and as that wave gains momentum, he will build the political capital necessary to force bipartisan change. The thing is, if he can win the general with 60% support (which I think is doable if he's not up against McCain), no one can really stand in his way.

However, even without a landslide victory, Obama has shown himself capable at working against political odds to get things done in Illinois (death penalty reform, ethics reform, both in Republican-controlled legislatures against powerful lobbies).

As for specifics on what he'll change, here are a few, without getting into too much detail:

Health care: effort to emphasize preventive care, creating an affordable health care program through the government to compete with private insurance, other significant cost-cutting measures.

Iraq: Pull out 1 brigade per month until only one is left. This will allow the Iraqi government time to resolve things while also putting significant pressure on them to get their act together. With popular Iraqi opinion turning against al Qaeda and Barack's leadership and diplomacy, we can get out of Iraq in better standing than we had when he left Vietnam.

Taxes: Barack wants to roll back the Bush cuts for the wealthy and spread them back to working class families and senior citizens. He wants to cut all taxes for seniors earning $50,000 or less. He also wants to simplify the tax code so that Americans can file their own taxes in minutes.

Energy: Barack wants to institute a cap-and-trade policy under which carbon credits will be auctioned off to the highest bidders. The money raised will be used to fund alternative energy initiatives. He also wants to raise CAFE to 45 mpg (I forget the target date though).

Foreign policy: Barack wants to initiate a campaign of diplomacy around the world to help the world understand America's values better. He will also be agressive in redeploying our troops to fight al Qaeda and other terrorist groups bent on destroying our way of life.

Other changes: Barack will offer information online about every bill that comes to his desk prior to his signing it, in order to engage Americans in a discussion about how our country should be governed. He will issue an executive order on Day One banning members of his administration from lobbying it after they leave. He has already gotten a bill passed to set up a government website detailing all budget expenditures in order to allow Americans to see where their tax dollars go.

I could go into more detail but then my post would end up ungodly long and no one would read it. If you want more information, go to www.barackobama.com

Obama '08!

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Scott — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:15:13 GMT

To all the skeptics who ask "where's the beef" behind the Obama calls for change:

Here's at least one and it's more important than you may give him credit for: He has refused to take lobbyist money. That in itself augers an earthquake-like change and is sending shockwaves to K Street in Washington.

Now, on its own, that wouldn't matter. Others (like McCain) have tried to be idealistic and build campaigns without lobbyist money. However, nobody has ever succeeded. NEVER in HISTORY has one candidate raised as much money from normal Americans (not lobbyists).

First Read and the Mainstream media: let's start talking about the money trail. In reality, it's the MOST important difference between HRC and all the other candidates, so why aren't we hearing about it?

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Obama Supporter — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:19:36 GMT

Lets see, Hillary likes cleaning closets, lmao, is that where she keeps the illegal campaign contributions, and the 2100 documents she does not want "found" till after the election?

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Steve, Hartford, CT — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:21:31 GMT

As a further note, I would like to ask those Obama supporters here to please not respond so negatively to questions about Obama's substance. It's not these people's fault that the media refuses to report on anything but sound bytes. Try to include some detail about Obama's plans (even though the plans themselves are relatively similar to those offered by other Dems). Especially the little tidbits that the other candidates have NOT said, like the pledge to ban administration officials from lobbying the administration (which he will do one day one--it's an executive order, not a bill), or the plans he has to engage in discussion of the bills on his desk with the American people prior to signing them. These especially are the things that set him apart from the field and start to illustrate just how he will make the fundamental changes our government needs.

That said, don't lose the enthusiasm! Obama '08!

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J Munn — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:23:42 GMT

Why has the media not been talking about Michigan? Do their delegates not count? I cant remember if they like Flordia jumped the gun, but even so, dont we assume that at the convention they will be seated? And even if we dont assume that, wont the outcome mean something in terms of Obama momentum or Hillary comeback?

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KING OF SMEAR AND FACTS — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:37:38 GMT

THATS RIGHT FOOD STAMPER JOHN FROM IOWA, ITS MY DUTY TO EXPOSE ALL THE FILTH OF THE DEMOCRATS, THE YELLOW BELLIES THAT DONT SERVE BUT CRITIZE, FDR PUT PEOPLE LIKE THAT IN PRISON IN WW2 WE NEED TO FOLLOW WE RE TIRED OF YOU NON WORKING CREEPS TAKING OUR MONEY FOR WELFARE, AND WE RE READY TO KICK YOUR ASS

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Bill Greene, Bonneau, South Carolina — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:38:04 GMT

I'm afraid that everyone asking the question today "what does Obama mean by change" is right.
We really don't know what this guy is all about because he never says what he is going to change. He just says "change"
He really needs to explain himself, and we need to know who he is, and what he's all about.
The idea of change is always intrigueing.
But, before we go off on an adventure with another Jimmy Carter type, we need to be sure we're not making a mistake
Obama should say specifically what he's going to change, and how he is going to change it.
If he doesn't do that, then I'm afraid he's just another in a long line of charismatic speakers who captured the imagination of the youth in this country without any real substance or clear cut ideas.
I don't necessarily have anything against this guy. I just don't really know who he is, and I'm not sure America does either.

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Joe — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:38:22 GMT

This is really getting sad !! Has anybody noticed the old Clinton supporters are either gone or to ashamed to use their real names.....

She will not go away soon...but I believe this is not going to get better.

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Yolanda, SC — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:45:09 GMT

So it abvious that Senator Barack Hussein Obama going to Win the NH primary, there is no question of that. But is all those Republicans who is going to vote for Barack Hussein to get him the win in NH also going to vote for him in the general election as well?

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Jimmy CHICAGO IL — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:51:55 GMT

Apparently, lots of people. They are by far #1 in the cable ratings you know.

Now, just run off and listen to your NPR. And as far as my tax dollars being used to support it, you're welcome.

> Change is coming.

Indeed.
Mickey G., Tyler TX (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 10:53 AM)
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Wrong!
MSNBC has beat Faux for the past couple months and going.
What's wrong with NPR? Too intelligent for you? Not enough truckers geeked out on meth calling in for you? Is it the lack of a fat Oxy addicted loudmouths giving you your opinion? Maybe because they don't have some conniving televangelist telling you how to screw in your own home?

Oh, for those that ask what Obam is going to change? Haven't you noticed the electoral process is changing already? Doubling the turnout for primary election is a good change, due in no small part to being inspirational to the electorate. That is evidence enough of change for me.....

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IowaDem — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:55:17 GMT

I love Obama's message, but I just think he's in over his head. The argument so far here on this board has been about what is he going to change. I'm not sure either. His policies are not that different than any other candidate's. While his speeches are inspiring, his tone on the campaign trail is just the same as everyone else. I'm also not sure he listens to anyone but himself. He's been unwilling to engage people in discussions. He only talked at people in Iowa. We already have someone in office who thinks he has all the answers. We need to be careful.

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JIMMY CHICAGO IL — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:00:56 GMT

I stand corrected, I was wrong.................. It seems we still have a large contingent in this country that are slack jawed, misinformed, backwater sheep that absorb and regurgitate the filth spewed from Fox(apparently they came in on top with news ratings).
Well, fox still blows!

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obama's dealer — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:01:47 GMT

> He says he won't fight with the republicans, but he > goes after Hillary for cooperating with them. (?)
> That's kind of contradictive, isn't it?

Those are excellent rebuttals. Unfortunately, Hillary doesn't seem as smart/shrewd as we were lead to believe and is not likely to make sharp counterpoints like these.

She is falling apart; unable to think on her feet and demonstrate command over a crisis situation. Her mettle is being tested and she is flailing.

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MK,MO — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:05:16 GMT

I would like to see edwards and obama team up, edwards could fight to rid the government of corporate control, obama could negotiate with them, either way maybe a change for the better could start, I still don't think obama can win the general election, edwards can

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HP Boston — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:05:56 GMT

Its simply an end to the childish part of the partisan trench wars. Republicans aren't evil. Independents aren't indecisive flakes. There are areas in which we can work toward consensus, in an atmosphere of political differences though mutual respect. That's it, in a nutshell. We want our leaders to stop acting like children......"
Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 9:58 AM)

Paul, I didn't ask what's wrong with the political process, I asked how Obama is going to change it.
You see, Democrats like Hillary have tried to be Bi-Partisan, and have tried to cooperate with the right wing before.
But, when they did, people like Obama trashed them for doing it.
So what is Obama really saying? That the Republicans are going to roll over for him, and him alone?
Or, is he saying that he's going to give in to them?
Either way, we still don't know what "changes" Obama would bring because he never tells us.
Your response "sounds good," Paul.
But, it really doesn't answer the question.
Very specifically, what is Obama going to change?
I think we have a right to know.

George Powell, Manchester, NH (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 10:30 AM)

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George it would be amazing if Paul knew anything about changes Obama would be capable of making. The guy just likes to stir the pot with innuendoes, we need specific facts Paul. Got any?
The biggest and best change will be a Democrat in the WH. The only thing Obama can change for sure is 2 dimes and a nickle for a quarter!
It is dammed scary when a statesman like Biden is passed over for a fluke such as Obama. Madness!

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HP Boston — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:12:13 GMT

Its simply an end to the childish part of the partisan trench wars. We want our leaders to stop acting like children......"
Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 9:58 AM)

Paul, I didn't ask what's wrong with the political process, I asked how Obama is going to change it.
You see, Democrats like Hillary have tried to be Bi-Partisan, and have tried to cooperate with the right wing before.
But, when they did, people like Obama trashed them for doing it.
So what is Obama really saying? That the Republicans are going to roll over for him, and him alone?
Or, is he saying that he's going to give in to them?
Either way, we still don't know what "changes" Obama would bring because he never tells us.
Your response "sounds good," Paul.
But, it really doesn't answer the question.
Very specifically, what is Obama going to change?
I think we have a right to know.

George Powell, Manchester, NH (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 10:30 AM)

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George it would be amazing if Paul knew anything about changes Obama would be capable of making. The guy just likes to stir the pot with innuendoes, we need specific facts Paul. Got any?
The biggest and best change will be a Democrat in the WH. The only thing Obama can change for sure is 2 dimes and a nickle for a quarter!
It is dammed scary when a statesman like Biden is passed over for a fluke such as Obama. Madness!

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John Alexander,Edinboro,PA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:16:46 GMT

Thanks Mickey G from Tyler TX, I appreciate that you pay your taxes, too bad many corporations don't, you could be paying less then.
Wheres the Beef? There will be less beef on peoples tables, prices are up on all foods, wonder what chinese beef tastes like. Gas up, feed up, bread more expensive, even Walmart uped prices.
Go Change, send Bushco home!
Go New Hampshire keep the ball rolling.

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MK,MO — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:24:54 GMT

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Mike Frazier — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:41:48 GMT

In the land of beef, the Obamaburger is pure soy.

Hillary is a triple-decker of pure Angus.

The country will starve to death on the Obama diet.

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Mike K, Denver — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:48:57 GMT

*headdesk*
*headdesk*
*headdesk*
You people that think Obama is using the word "change" for the sake of using the word are full of it. Either you are too stupid to properly use the internet, can't remember his website, or need your ears cleaned out. He has repeatedly stated what he intends to change. He has lined up clear, well-defined areas of how he will change government, how he will govern, and what he plans to do that is radically different from the way they've been done for almost 20 years now. They're right there at his website. Now either go and read it, or remain brain-dead zombies following Hillary around. Either way, STFU. There are plenty of places to read up or see what Obama's message of "change" really means.

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Brad Pollinger — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:58:02 GMT

About the only thing left for Hillary to do is cry. She has nothing she can run on, her agenda has been coop-ed by a younger and more charismatic candidate. Her old ideas are all worn out. She has the personality of a temporary office clerk (no offense). The only thing left for her to do is turn on the tears. Either that, or maybe beg.

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Francis Crosby, Columbus Georgia — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:18:28 GMT

OMG!!

Republicans are saying that the Democrats are having a "popularity contest" to elect a president. After watching the rerun debates both Republican and Democrat, I have to wonder if they are right. These people who are so impressed with preaching and cadence, listening to someone who derides experience, and ability, to get things done. Sound extraordinarily young, naive and down right silly. For some reason (I don't know what it is) they seem to think, believe, or maybe want to believe, that it just don't matter who is the president of the country. We are talking about the most Executive of executive jobs in America . The only way I can explain or justify this is, people mostly Democrats just don't think that it matters... That, electing a president is lot like picking a high school, home coming king, it's all about being popular and acting cool. We have been there and done that, Dubya, was that result.

CHANGE WHAT? It sounds so superficially baby like, to keep repeating pretty much the exact same phrases, and use Martin L King's mannerisms and cadence, to keep talking of hope and change. MLK did some great things, but there was A WHOLE LOT OF ACTION BEHIND HIS WORDS.

If this guy was doing this and trying to hire onto a company, to lead as a point man, even a small one, let alone one the size of the US government or really just about any type of executive job. Then, deride experience, and just talk about change for "change" sake, he would never get hired. Not even by the "Lemming Democrats," who's vote it seems is cast on popularity, and the coolness factor. He's going to have to stop with the rhetoric and "communicate" what it is he is going to do. Because many of us who don't live in Iowa or New Hampshire , don't get, or understand what all the commotion is about, furthermore, many of us prefer "locomotion" over commotion. So yes, where's the beef, the meat... I watch, listen and read, and it is not there... I'm not saying I won't vote for Obama, but not based on what I have "heard" so far. I need to see some action. "Talk is cheap," it's an easy thing to do, action is quite another story. The two examples that Obama and Edwards gave as accomplishments in the Senate, were not!!

Edward's bill, did not make it through the "House," and Obama's bill, about stopping lobbyist from buying meals for members of Congress, has no teeth. As long as one stands up while he eats, lobbyist can buy them all the food they can eat, and all the drink they can drink, then, they can sit down together and chatter like birds. Both bills did have "good intentions" but neither was effective... what change?

Pathetic, that this is all these great agents of change can point to... I need more than words folks. I think most of us remember or have at least heard, John Lennon's great song "Imagine." There is a line in the song that goes "imagine there's no money, I wonder if you can" well when he died, he was worth sixty million dollars, over a hundred million in today's currency. It's just words folks... it's a beautiful song, but just words, none the less. Now if he had given all that money away, it would have been a whole lot more believable, but he didn't. A little action goes a long way... And I think, "the fierce urgency of now," is needed, and required, if he, Obama, is in this for the long haul. Otherwise, I don't believe he will make it to the finish line. The "Clinton Machine" and the media, will expose him. If not, the Republican attack machine will... It's best to know now, and please, not another round of... it's a new day, a new dawn, the polictics of hope and change will save the day... Yeah, righ! It's the same "old glitter" in a new box. Everybody is a changer and a uniter, just tell "us" how and what you are going to change?

First thoughts: Where's the beef?

HP Boston — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:52:05 GMT

Everybody is a changer and a uniter, just tell "us" how and what you are going to change?

Francis Crosby, Columbus Georgia (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 1:18 PM)

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Kudos Francis Crosby, well said, I could not have said it better! Great post.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:10:04 GMT

Like I said, many Clinton supporters won't understand. Tomorrow we'll see if voters in New Hampshire understand what change Obama could bring.

As for the "how," by simply acting like an adult. Not feeling the childish need to characterize any cross-aisle discussion as "dealings with the devil," like we just heard a couple days ago from the Clinton campaign.

Its that simple, and yet seemingly for the Clinton camp, completely incomprehensible.

HP - I believe you've been here longer than me, when I came on last January. Not that you have any reason to remember anything I said, but if you did, you might have noticed that it was Obama's tone that started winning my support back in the March or April timeframe. He wasn't taking gratuitous shots at Bush. We all know Bush will be gone. We're looking for an adult to replace him, not a partisan warrior (aka master food fighter).

I thought it was exceedingly clear that people were tired of partisan politics. By that, we recognize partisan differences will and should remain. But when people say partisan politics in a negative tone, they usually are referring to the childish games.

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Emily Studwell, Hamilton, Ohio — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:13:00 GMT

I don't understand why people like Mike K in Denver get so mad when we ask what it is that Obama is going to change. We're just trying to make an intelligent choice about who we vote for, and Obama never says what it is. He just says he's going to "change" things.
Also, I never really liked being told to go to a website in answer to a question. That usually means that the person telling you to go to the website doesn't have an answer.
I also note that Mike tells us we should STFU ( I believe that's online slang for SHUT THE F*** UP) Isn't that nice? Why are Obama's supporters so defensive and angry?
It really is time for the press to be more fair with Obama and ask him what he's going to change, and how he's going to do it, and it's time for Obama to start explaining what he means by "change." So far he's been very vague.

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Mickey G., Tyler TX — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:17:29 GMT

Jimmy from Chicago writes:

Wrong!
MSNBC has beat Faux for the past couple months and going.
What's wrong with NPR?

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Nope. Overall Fox leads by quite a large amount. There have been some ebb and flow within certain demographics, but overall Fox is way ahead of the game.

And there's nothing wrong with NPR, other then the fact that 98% of the people that pay for it don't listen to it.

You want to get your news from only MSNBC, CNN or the networks? Go for it. You have the right to be as ignorant as you want to be.

Jimmy says:

I stand corrected, I was wrong.................. It seems we still have a large contingent in this country that are slack jawed, misinformed, backwater sheep that absorb and regurgitate the filth spewed from Fox(apparently they came in on top with news ratings).
Well, fox still blows!

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You should work for Hillary. With all your wit, charm, and insight, you'd be perfect for that campaign, and you would fit right in on Day 1. Some would say you would be "Ready!".

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:23:24 GMT

Wheres the Beef? There will be less beef on peoples tables, prices are up on all foods, wonder what chinese beef tastes like. Gas up, feed up, bread more expensive, even Walmart uped prices.
John Alexander,Edinboro,PA (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 12:16 PM)

Gee John, I wonder why Hillary lied when she said in June 2006; "If you want lower gas prices, vote for a democrat".......

I thought by putting in a democrat controlled congress gas prices would go down....

Guess they lied about that one too.....

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Mark Thieme — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:25:22 GMT

Paul Miller: Just so.

I remember.

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norb jackson michigan — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:45:19 GMT

So when he was younger he blew some coke. What did the Republican's blow?

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Jarrod Branch, Manchester NH — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:47:31 GMT

Francis Crosby, Columbus Georgia 1:18pm

Excellent post. You are right on the mark. The Democrats are spending all their time debating 1) The meaning of the word 'Change' 2) How experienced each of them are (hint: none of them are). They don't talk about the issues, they don't talk about their experiences, they don't talk about what they are going to do, and last but not least, they don't talk about what the voters want.

The amount of time these three navel gazers (four if you include Richardson who seems to be around only because they had an extra chair at the debate) spent on telling us what 'change' is during their NH debate was insulting to the voters.

It is an absolute waste of time listening to what this crew has to say.

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Mark Thieme — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:48:10 GMT

In my previous post, I made a mistake for which I apologize.

Miss Vera (a formidable and fear-inspiring teacher of yore) always insisted, that "interesting is a dull word."

She was never wrong about dull.

And so, I now respectfully redact the language of my earlier missive and prefer to say,

the battle is just now getting to be fun.

So it is.

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Steve, Hartford, CT — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:50:30 GMT

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:58:43 GMT

See, here's the thing:

The problem with all of the "Where's the beef" posts today is that they are magically appearing - TODAY, as if on cue. And when drugs were the topic, the posts about that appeared, then the Muslim" posts, then the slush funds, and on and on. So that causes me to question the sincerity of the request.

Senator Obama's positions are readily available to those who are REALLY wondering . . . for others I fear the question is just another campaign ploy. But I could be wrong.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:59:52 GMT

When I first came on here, I was amazed by the amount of people that were big time Hillary supporters. Yes I took it as much as I gave it, really ticked off some people and really got hammered into near submission. All the time I took it, I knew at some point the gods were finally going to prove me right about Hillary Clinton.

As the summer turned into fall, and all the stories about Chinese dishwashers and Norman Hsu and bad tipping and people being abused by the Clinton supporters came out, I sensed that the tide was turning. All the hatred that the Hillary supporters were throwing at Obama and Edwards and the stories they were digging up and Van's little itty bitty polls and all the Bill Clinton stuff was just eating away at her lead. I kept saying "there is something wrong here with the Clinton's and one day it will backfire on them".

Now I have been proven right all along. People started looking at her "35 years of experience" and decided "Nah, not on my watch". Iowa was the stepping stone and now New Hampshire begins the long slow descent of the Clinton Dynasty. Hillary as tried everything from tears to pouting to new slogans to trying to be a kinder gentler woman. You notice she was all fire and brimstone before Iowa; now she is a campfire on it's last ashes.

Let this be a lesson to all of you president wannabe's who are thinking of getting into this madness....

Talk about your qualifications, don't just stand there and say "35 years of experience" Prove it....

If you throw dirt at your rival, you might get dirt and a few rocks thrown back at you........

Always tip your waitress and make damn sure the press sees it.....

and finally, don't run for President if all the skelatons in your closet are threatening to break the closet door down.

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:07:06 GMT

"THATS RIGHT FOOD STAMPER JOHN FROM IOWA, ITS MY DUTY TO EXPOSE ALL THE FILTH OF THE DEMOCRATS, THE YELLOW BELLIES THAT DONT SERVE BUT CRITIZE, FDR PUT PEOPLE LIKE THAT IN PRISON IN WW2 WE NEED TO FOLLOW WE RE TIRED OF YOU NON WORKING CREEPS TAKING OUR MONEY FOR WELFARE, AND WE RE READY TO KICK YOUR ASS
KING OF SMEAR AND FACTS (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 11:37 AM)" I'll tell my employees to send you to my office when you get here. You are a pathetic hater who deserves the marginalization that is coming.

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HP Boston — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:36:51 GMT

Paul Miller: Just so.

I remember.
Mark Thieme (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 2:25 PM
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Well, well Mark..I SHOULD think you, you of all people would remember. lol as do I, not much I missed about your "politics", aka the game.

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HP Boston — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:41:08 GMT

I am very frustrated that First Read couldn't moderate well enough to get my comments posted within an hour. It seems no one else will step up to the plate and actually talk about the issues, so I tried to do it and got completely stymied by the lack of efficient mods.

I am NOT HAPPY about this--the primary is in ONE DAY and I may well have lost the chance to convert an undecided voter simply because the mods are lazy.
Steve, Hartford, CT (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 2:50 P
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NO ONE ever changes any minds on this blog! Some never even change their underwear, nor do they know how to spell underWARE!!! Get a grip man!

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HP Boston — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:46:23 GMT

be forewarned hillary is beaten down sufficiently to turn loose some of the criminal elements of her seedy campaign staff, because if she can't win in a fair fight she will cheat, and she has a staff that can cheat with the best of em
MK,MO (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 12:24 PM)

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MK MO pray for John he is the one in need of all your positive energy, better he than do nothing, know nothing OBAMA. No need to worry about Rudy, only McCain to beat in the GE.

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Mark Thieme — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:47:20 GMT

Earlier, I inquired where the Clinton tuba section had gone.

One little cloud rises on their horizon and it ruins their whole day (paraphrasing what Butch said to Sundance).

Really, it's only a scratch... come back and defend what honor is left...

And once again, it is just now becoming fun!

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HP Boston — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:54:00 GMT

The amount of time these three navel gazers (four if you include Richardson who seems to be around only because they had an extra chair at the debate) spent on telling us what 'change' is during their NH debate was insulting to the voters.

It is an absolute waste of time listening to what this crew has to say.
Jarrod Branch, Manchester NH (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 2:47
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They were so much better than the six warmongers touting religion and smacking each other to get attention.
Is it true they were led in song by McCain in a rendition or BOMB, BOMB, IRAN?

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Francis Crosby, Columbus Georgia — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:58:53 GMT

(Substitute, the word Effective, for Change.)

**Paul**

Like I said, many Clinton supporters won't understand. Tomorrow we'll see if voters in New Hampshire understand what change Obama could bring.
Its that simple, and yet seemingly for the Clinton camp, completely incomprehensible.

Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 2:10 PM)

No Paul, it's not that simple. Try factoring in the word "EFFECTIVE" and lets see how the charismatic rhetoric of, change, new day, new dawn, "new politics," new America, new world order... goes down. It dramatically changes the equation.... Because when the hyperbole of "change" band wagon stops, and it has to stop somewhere... All that talk of change this... change that... and change the other... is going to catch up with him... The "ticking clock" of what, and how, does he plan to change things, is soon, going to sound like a Japanese gong, beating in his ear. As we, (and there is lots of us) and the other "bigger states," on down the line, want to know as to, exactly what his plan of "change," is. So again, yes! Where is the beef... The chicken? A tuna salad? Come on Obama Camp, we are starving out here... "Talking" about food does make me "hungry," I don't and won't deny, but to get that "hunger" feed you've got to get in that kitchen and rattle those pots and pans. "EFFECTIVITY," feeds my hunger, your hunger, and the hunger of the world. When it comes to picking a "talker" or a "doer" I'll take a doer, any day.

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Mark Thieme — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:12:38 GMT

Francis Crosby:

Enough said,

just do it.

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HP Boston — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:17:52 GMT

And once again, it is just now becoming fun!

Mark Thieme (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 3:47 PM)

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Enjoy yourself Mark, as tomorrow I do believe Hillary and McCain will be the surprise in Obama's and Romney's eyes! Fun? Interesting? You betcha!
If not another day will surely dawn. As for change....

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HP Boston — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:33:56 GMT

Jimmy says:

I stand corrected, I was wrong.................. It seems we still have a large contingent in this country that are slack jawed, misinformed, backwater sheep that absorb and regurgitate the filth spewed from Fox(apparently they came in on top with news ratings).
Well, fox still blows!
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Jimmy I see you have meet jerry from cc/tx.
So many more like him it is an absolute epidemic. I hear it is hereditary, in the genes, no cure.

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shirlin — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:42:41 GMT

"Show me the cipher using the bills Obama authored or introduced (not including bills sponsored or cosponsored), as a foundation, if you will:

Alternative Diesel Standard

Fuel Economy Reform Act

Health Care for Hybrids Act

National Low Carbon Fuel Standard Act

Oil SENSE Act

Federal Funding Accountability & Transparency Act

Iraq War De-escalation Act

Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assitance, and

Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006

Lead Free Toys Act

Healthy Communities Act

Healthy Places Act

Mercury Market Minimization Act

Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act

Chemical Security and Safety Act

Spent Nuclear Fuel Tracking and Accountability Act

Innovation Districts for School Improvement Act

Summer Term Education Programs for Upward Progress Act

Education Opportunity Act

Higher Education Opportunity Through Pell Grant Expansion Act

National MEDiC Act

Hospital Quality Report Card Act

Federal Employees Health Benefits Program Efficiency Act

Attacking Viral Influenza Across Nations Act

Lead Poisoning Reduction Act

Genomics and Personalized Medicine Act

Sheltering All Veterans Everywhere Act

Home for Heroes Act

Legislative Transparency and Accountability Act

Honest Leadership and Open Government Act

Obama also worked as a community organizer and a civil rights attorney, and is a Senior Lecturer in Constitutional Law at University of Chicago Law School.

Constitution where have I heard that from ... oh I know, nowhere in the last eight years. ...

Again, where exactly, is the cipher? Now lets compare the above with the "apt words of Ezra Klein at The American Prospect"

After this that is:

"Kellman was looking for an organizer for the new Developing Communities Project (DCP), which would focus on black city neighborhoods. Obama, only 24, struck board members as "awesome" and "extremely impressive," and they quickly hired him, at $13,000 a year, plus $2,000 for a car--a beat-up blue Honda Civic, which Obama drove for the next three years organizing more than twenty congregations to change their neighborhoods."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070416/moberg

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Mark Thieme — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:43:53 GMT

HP: As always, I admire your spunk.

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Mark Thieme — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:57:50 GMT

Tomorrow is do or die for the Clinton campaign: if they lose NH the only chance they would have left is to leave Hillary at home baking cookies and get the Big Guy out there every day.

Bill Clinton was the greatest president since Kennedy and he still has it.

Hillary shillary.

Stale crackers.

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--NSMsnbc — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:03:04 GMT

[Clinton said: “We can’t be a new story, I’m sorry. I can’t make her younger, taller, male.”]
--That implies that her gender (female) is a weakness. If it was a weakness, why has she played it as a strength?

P.S. It is a strength, not a weakness.