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Michael, Buffalo, New York — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:22:20 GMT

If the numbers hold up and Obama loses or wins only slightly, then I must put into writing what I’ve told friends ever since Hillary teared up.

This was orchestrated, and I have no doubt Bill was behind it.

Not only did the media attack Hillary for her eyes welling, but in households around NH, husbands were telling their wives “this is why a woman can’t be President,” or “see, women can’t help but cry all the time.”

And that is why Hillary is up by 12-points with women in NH as opposed to five down in Iowa.

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Domingo M. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:31:03 GMT

I have not seen the internal numbers but I venture to say that Chuck Todd was correct of 1 thing, the "independents" were oversampled but it looks like it was in the Dems polls not in the Rep ones. If "independents" broke for McCain and not Obama that is not a good things for Dems in Nov.

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Sam, Northern VA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:33:32 GMT

Hillary is the least electible of the Democratic candidates.

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gk greek — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:33:34 GMT

let's hope chris matthew keeps "clinton bashing" HILLARY all the way to the white house. i know he gets paid to do what he does but his "candidate of choice" {barack} is becoming a little too obvious, even for chris. so keep up the bad mouthing, chris! IT'S WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jodi Lustig, New York, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:34:59 GMT

Perhaps the women of New Hampshire enjoy being told how they'll vote as much as Iowans do. Hillary was crowned too soon, declared dead too soon, so yes, now resurrection is the next act. The writers may be on strike but the pundits are doing their best to make an essentially tedious process high drama.

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Natasha B, New Haven, CT — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:35:17 GMT

Fake tears...so-called savvy female voters of NH fell for it!!! If she is the nominee, I'm voting republican...if you're gagging for "experience" then McCain is miles ahead.

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Scott Campbell, St. Petersburg, FL — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:39:26 GMT

IT WAS THE "FAIRY TALE" SPEECH - Is This How We Want Our Former Presidents Behaving?

As I write, Hillary’s been projected by you guys to win the New Hampshire Primary. What was the difference? Her weeping? Nope. The fact that she's popular with women? Let's get real. It was the former president. Specifically, it was the “Fairy Tale” speech given by Bill, a monstrosity which may go down in history as having worsted both the “Checkers” and “You Won’t Have Nixon to Kick Around Anymore” speeches by Tricky Dick. A new low in American politics. A series of lies and distortions - which he knew, by the way - followed by the tag line (for those of you familiar with advertising), “A Fairy Tale.” So, I hope you’ll forgive a former Bill Clinton fan for saying that the aspiring First Husband has committed the gravest of sins, and sunk far below any former president in history. For, as a former president, he must’ve known that his first priority was the dignity of the office he once held; his second, his own legacy; and his last, any personal, post-presidential goals. Some of us - even those of us (like me) who would’ve voted for a nominated Hillary in November - will remember this. And we will cast our ballot for anyone other than the Senator from New York.

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Karen — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:41:16 GMT

Suck it up, Chris Matthews. We're not going to let the press do to Hillary what it did to Al Gore.

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Laurie B. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:43:27 GMT

What are the gender break downs for the Republican candidates? Why is the gender being discussed at all? I always knew our society was sexist but I'm continually amazed at how blatantly negative our media is about
"the woman" running for President.

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Gayle Niemeyer — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:43:30 GMT

Well, Gooooo Hillary!!! We love you and will work as hard as we can. We believe in you and know that you're the right person for this job!! NO QUESTION ABOUT IT!!!!!

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Ron Kristen, Raleigh, NC — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:43:42 GMT

I think yesterday's 3 events were clearly orchestrated targetting the woman vote
1. Bill Clinton getting a phone call in the middle of the speech from Hillary, ending with a "love you"
2. Hillary tearing up on 'How do you do it ?'
3. 2 guys coming up with placards that said 'Iron my shirt'.

The moment I heard the 3 events I knew it was all orchestrated. I didnt hear one news channel highlighting the 3 events. It was downright cheesy. New Hampshirt is supposed to have a highly educated electorate.

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John, Fort Collins, CO — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:43:47 GMT

I hate the idea that Clinton would snag women voters on behalf of being a woman, or that Obama would do the same with black voters.

In either case, it's an insult to the demographic being cited - that they can't make their own decisions based on anything but their race or ethnicity.

That being said, however you analyze the numbers, Hillary won. And if she continues to, so will the Republicans this November.

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OG, San Francisco, CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:44:05 GMT

Hey Main Stream Media, how about some humilty here? YOU GOT IT WRONG - BIG TIME!!! You guys/gals are no better than the local weather forecasters who regardless of how often they screw up the forecast, they simply brush it off or find another excuse for why the got it wrong - and still have a job the next day. Stop hijacking this important debate that we democratic voters need to have and start reporting more objectively. Chris Matthews - stop calling yourself a journalist. While you might have the intelligence and the right credentials - your blatant lack of objectivity barely qualifies you to work for OK Magazine but not quite good enough for TMZ.com

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rosie, grand rapids, MI — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:44:30 GMT

Chris/Chuck,
Need a tissue to cry into?

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Danielle, Rockville MD — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:44:35 GMT

I'm sorry, but as a woman under forty, I will pick Obama or Edwards anyday over Clinton. It is not a matter of gender, it's a matter of vision over politics as usual. Ilike to think that we are a society above gender politics.

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June, Boise ID — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:46:01 GMT

More than over the "tearing up" fiasco, I am more disappointed in my sisters in NH not voting down Politics-as-usual in Hillaries Rove-like attacks on Obama. We just keep rewarding bad behavior! Come back, Obama!

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Thank you NH Women! Women everywhere unite! — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:46:32 GMT

Thank you women of New Hampshire and on to the women of Nevada and SC! Senator Clinton I am proud of you! Lean on us ladies, we know what it's like to live in a man's world and will never let you fall from grace. Believe in us like we believe in you!

Much love from the Show Me state!

Johnalee~

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Lisa, Oklahoma City OK — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:47:00 GMT

I think this thread proves we are not a society above gender politics.

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Laura G. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:47:47 GMT

Any Democrat saying they will vote Republican if Hillary is the Nominee is a fake!

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Douglas Stouffer — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:49:06 GMT

Well, obviously, Edwards will win the next one, because he's from the Carolinas, and probably Obama wins Michigan - he's from that region.. we have to wait until super Tuesday to get a real clue about the probable nominee for the Democrats, if then!

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Julie Glade, Valparaiso, Indiana — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:49:46 GMT

Chris Matthews looked gleeful after Iowa and couldn't wait to sink his teeth into Hilary. How, he just looks angry--his personal preferences are obvious both by his appearance and his statements about the Clintons, both of whom he clearly despises. Keith O. is similarly transparent.

Guys, just report the results and get ahold of yourselves, or you will become as bad as Fox news has become in the pro-Bush camp.

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jim el cajon — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:50:18 GMT

HRC won in NH because the women flocked to her in droves because she CRIED. lol. unbelievable but true

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Upset Dem — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:51:01 GMT

We're going to lose this Whitehouse if Hillary wins the primaries :(

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Paul Hennerich Saint Louis MO — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:51:54 GMT

Look. It is this simple. This has nothing to do with gender.I have been a Democrat for the last 16 years. But we need a change in direction, we need someone with out bagage. We need someone who can unite the country. We don't need fake tears, polarazation and continuation of a dynasty. We have tried that in 2000 and 2004. If Senator Clinton is the nominee of the Democratic Party. I will be voting Republican (if it is McCain) or 3rd Party.

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Rich, NYC, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:52:14 GMT

Sen. Obama WILL be this party's nominee. Clinton's fake crocodile tears will fool nobody.

When did being the First Lady qualify you for the Presidency? "35 years of change?" If she brought 35 years of change, then why have the last 20 years been so divisive and done absolutely nothing for America? And why does America STILL want change?

Hillary and Bill Clinton are the exact same side of the Bush-Cheney-Rove coin of deceit, division, dishonesty and Machiavellianism. In the end, Americans will reject that formula. We are sick and tired of being told that "the other side" is evil, when the REAL evil we face is Bin Laden & Company.

If Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, it guarantees a Republican victory and another 4 to 8 years of "Remember 9/11!" being shoved down our throats. It guarantees another 4 to 8 years of division and hyper-partisanship.

New Hampshire betrayed its storied tradition of wise judgment tonight; the rest of America will prove them wrong.

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Denise, Houston, Texas — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:52:21 GMT

I completely agree with Michael from Buffalo, New York. I am certain that it was orchestrated and that is why she is up in points with women in NH. However, as one woman who had a very different reaction to her crocodile tears, I sure hope other strong, smart women will also be offended no matter what the ploy behind them. Ms. Clinton, "there's no crying in baseball!!!" PPPLLLEEEAAASSSEEE

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Kristy — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:52:28 GMT

I read so many people pointing out that Hilary Clinton is a woman and husbands around the country debating whether women can be President.

How many are questioning if a black man can be President? How ignorant would someone look if they reasoned that because Obama isn't white, he's playing a race card. And because Hilary is female, she's playing the gender card.

Once again something idiotic gets reinforced:

Only rich white men can be President. We debate whether a woman can be President, whether a black man can be President, but after seeing the last rich white man President, I wonder why we're not asking if it's not time to let some other gender or race give it a go. Can we do worse?

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M. Little — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:52:54 GMT

I think the outcome and MSNBC's comment on the "gender divide" underscores a more important and neglected reality. That is, the media establishment is unprepared to interprete an election process pitting a female against a male. The inaccuracy of media pundits over the past 48 hours reflects more than a few limitations of media coverage during this "change" era in politics. That is, (1) the ongoing democartic race (Hillary's "fall") has been interpreted with respect to past races- which do not provide a precedence for a male/female standoff and (2) major networks and cable channels use more males than females for a greater proprtion of televised time when reporting and interpreting the ongoing polls/results. This affects, I believe the accuracy and levity of interpretations. why did we hear so much about Hillary's aggression when every candidate, over the course of the primary challenge so far, has shown more?

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Jennifer F. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:52:58 GMT

Go Hillary! Jen & Aunt Ter are rooting for you in FL...

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Shane, Apex, NC — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:54:21 GMT

Ain't that America!? At least the press doesn't have a clue. I'm glad to see some contention. Trial by fire is good practice for a future Prez.

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Marcia, Gold Canyon, AZ — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:59:42 GMT

'Suck it up, Chris Matthews. We're not going to let the press do to Hillary what it did to Al Gore.'
Karen is right...the best campaign tool Hillary has in her pocket is Chris Mathews big, dumb mouth...keep it up, it must be time for you retire! I'm even disappoint in Keith Olberman, who I love, for MSNBC's jaded coverage of this race. But go ahead, keep it up...we'll be laughing about your crappy coverage from the Oval office in 380 days!

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Jacque, Boise, Idaho — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:01:37 GMT

I am thrilled for Mrs. Clinton. I do not know if she is electable, however, I have similar doubts about the electability of Mr. Obama. John Edwards has the best polling numbers against the Republican candidates.

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Randall Price Chattanooga, Tennessee — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:02:23 GMT

Isn't it amazing that the national press/media and the pundits they let spout their biased opinions has had it put back in their face. MSNBC should be ashamed to let their main anchors be so biased. For a while there I thought I was watching FOX. And Keithe Oberman reminded me of his arch rival Bill O'Reilly. Good for the voters in New Hampshire for going to the polls and voting their mind not what the press was telling them to vote!!!

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Sam, Boston, MA. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:04:55 GMT

I could never understand the voters in our country, some complained that Hillary was Cold and Steely and now they complain that Hillary cried to get votes and show a softer side. When Obama and Edwards attacked her in the debates, they said she was playing the gender card but when Clinton attacked back, she was being Nasty and Demeaning. Obama won in Iowa, good, Hillary appears to be winning in NH, wonderful, maybe Edwards will win in South Carolina. Stop Moaning, listen, and then vote

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Brian, St. Louis, MO — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:05:43 GMT

How did Obama's double didget lead disapear over night? I didn't think there were that many undecideds.

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Julie, OR — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:06:30 GMT

Get real, media. You were writing Hillary off after the Iowa caucuses - as if such a tiny percentage of the country were going to determine who the nominee will be. I'm so sick of seeing interviewers ask the guys about their foreign policy experience and Hillary about her hairstyle in 1976. We're not playing Entertainment Tonight here, we're electing the next leader of America and delegating all the power that goes along with that post. Yes, Obama is a rock star and is running an impressive campaign. I just think he doesn't yet have the credentials to be President. Maybe a Clinton/Obama ticket?

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John Doe — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:08:58 GMT

Hillary Clinton has the capability to lead our nation & the people of New Hampshire has spoken. Only the zealous Clinton's Haters would tried to come up with all sorts of reasons for her winning the state of New Hampshire.

If you truly hate the Clintons, then have the guts to admit it for posting negative comments about her w/ no basis. Don't hide behind the "Pundits" shroud & make stupid comments that are totally uncalled for. The least you can do is to point out her weaknesses as a leader. Please don't resort to comments that would make you any less of a person than you already are.

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J Garcia, San Diego, California — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:09:03 GMT

Dude, since the Republicans have been in office our wages don't go as far and our children go to war. They prefer Obama to win the democratic election because they feel they can defeat him when it really counts. This election is not about being patriotic but who controls our countries wealth by giving huge government contracts to their buds. So believe what you want this is about money!!! Every card (i.e., race, gender, economic) is being played and we are falling for it. Vote for Hilary.

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Sam, Boston, MA. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:09:18 GMT

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kenn — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:09:39 GMT

TRY ASYOU PUCKERS MIGHT you are going to lose to whatever democrat you suckers go up against5 .Republican equals haters people who are greedy people who rather lose money in Iraq and I mean lose as in someone stole it thangive it to another american you are hard of haeart ,mind and soul good luck in your new endevours.

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Susan Erickson — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:10:22 GMT

I haven't heard any of the pundits remarking that it is Edward's percentage points that Clinton gained in the change from the Iowa results. If Edwards had done as well she would not have and the predictions by pollsters would have been closer to reality. Perhaps New Hampshire doesn't like populists, or maybe they thought he was unfairly attacking Hillary in his pointed remarks about the systemic powers that be. But I also think the Clinton's have been playing the voters in a very manipulative way.

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JG — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:11:38 GMT

I agree with you, Mr. Hennerich. There just seems something profoundly upsetting about two families ruling us for so long: Bush I, Clinton I, Bush II, Clinton's Wife I . . . that seems so strange and upsetting to me. We need someone new.

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Mark Golembiowski, Chicago, IL — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:12:04 GMT

Has anyone noticed the placement of the podium and the background of Ms. Clinton's acceptance speech?? Kudos to her media adivser who finally took notice and took some timely advice.

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Karla Johnson, Ventura County, CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:13:49 GMT

The media themselves have become the "pillory Hillary" crowd. At the slightest hint of a show of tiredness (read: weakness) on her part, supposedly "objective" journalists roll out the negativity smear machine in a way that they never do for any of the male candidates. There IS a gender divide here, folks, but it's not just among the voters. It's among the overwhelmingly male members of the media who don't know how to report on a woman presidential candidate. Here's a hint, guys: do it just like you report on the male candidates.

What gave the victory to Mrs. Clinton in New Hampshire was all the gratuitous negative spew being dumped on her by Messrs. Obama and Edwards, and by the media with their puffed-up pundits. Criticism of Mrs. Clinton has gone far beyond the reasonable and borders on a witch hunt. That is why as long as women see one of their own being mocked, flogged and crucified in the public square, they will flock to her side to defend her -- with their votes.

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RobK, Seattle, Wash. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:14:15 GMT

Are there nothing but old, white women in NH?

WTF?

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Jen, Columbus, Ohio — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:14:16 GMT

Gender absolutely is a factor. Check out the three guys on the left side of your screen who are responsible for this content (Political Director, Deputy Political Director, and Political Researcher who wrote this piece). All WHITE MEN. The Republican candidates? All WHITE MEN. Wake up, America, it's time to get rid of the -isms that plague our society. We need to elect a non-white non-man to the Presidency.

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cbob — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:16:42 GMT

As we look at New Hampshire and scratch our heads at the polls versus the election results, people should recall the Doug Wilder rule with polling. Is it possible that twenty years later, people still poll one way and then vote another? Did Obama's race play a factor in an area that has a strong Boston immigrant population? Not to suggest that the people of New Hampshire are bigots, however these questions should be asked.

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Jim, Santa Cruz, cA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:18:21 GMT

Hey Republicans, I'm an independent who would vote for McCain before I'd ever vote for Clinton.

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Katie — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:19:04 GMT

I sooo saw this happening the minute she teared up. The discourse erupted. ALL the women in my house BUT me started considering a vote for Hilary after that, and the way it was all over the papers today. How many feminism-related posts did the NYTimes have? Sheesh. I am SOOOO disappointed that this was decided by a woman acting like a crybaby on television.

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Don Wynn, San Leandro, CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:19:12 GMT

I'm glad Hillary won tonight, if only to wipe that smirk off Chris Matthews' face. His blatant hatred of the Clintons, seizing on any and every opportunity to belittle them, is an ugly thing to see. His behavior makes the Fox Noise team look like impartial journalists. Honestly, I think the man's brain is unhinged, for instance, he keeps confusing the results of the Suffolk poll. I'm not sure what kind of ratings he's getting for his show, but if I were MSNBC, I would look more carefully at his contract next time it's up for renewal.

Well, actually, the real reason I'm glad Hillary won is that Iowa and NH now don't get to decide for us, the people who live in other states (CA in my case), who our Democratic nominee should be. Now, the rest of us will have a chance to cast our votes that actually mean something later on. Finally, I'm gratified that a black man and a woman each won a presidential primary for the first time ever in our country. History has been made and a new chapter has been turned, and the current bankrupt administration will be swept away into the dustbin of history a year from now. Halleluja!

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Josh Thorstad, Sun Prairie, WI — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:19:50 GMT

Bill won NH for Hillary and the rest of the country shouldn't be that easily fooled, Hillary is not the answer for America, Obama will be back and will win the nomination or get ready for at least 4 years of right wing politics.

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Alex, Oakland, CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:24:10 GMT

Yeah,

I just heard on NPR a few women voters who were set to vote Obama voted for tears instead... What I take from this? Nothing wins an election like crying. I guess we should all throw tantrums when we are on the receiving end... when everything is bleak we should stop quiver our lip a little and squeeze out a couple of tears. Maybe if I did that someone would hire me and I wouldn't be in such a rut... Obama gave me hope... all is not lost, but one thing I did decide is if Hillary gets the nomination she is never getting my vote. I am sick of dirty politics and as genuine or in-genuine as those tears were they definitely were not clean, she might as well have squeezed her handkerchief into the ballot box.

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Keith Hansen — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:24:27 GMT

I don't care if Obama or Hillary wins the nomination, just as long as they stay in it to the tenth round and beat each other into a bloody pulp and tear apart the Democratic party. I will pay for front row seats for that.

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David, Indiana — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:24:49 GMT

Mike Bloomberg is sitting at home relishing Clinton's victory...

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John Turner, Erie, KS — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:26:56 GMT

Can anyone here name ONE THING any of these candidates has done FOR AMERICA. All I have ever seen any of them do is work to escalate their own popularity. Sad . . . the masses are buying it as always.

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Jerry, appleton, wi — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:29:19 GMT

This is clearly a more "sexist" election than a "racist" one. Obama does not make note of his race near as much as Hillary plays the feminist, female tricks to gain votes. Now she almost breaks down in an obvious ploy, will she cry foul and the victim of men, when things don't go right in her presidency?

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Demian,Sonoma, CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:30:19 GMT

On Hilary's win " Yuck." What does New Hampshire know?

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Karl U. Rome NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:30:22 GMT

As a Republican, I have no dog in this fight, but I think the pollsters have some serious explaining to do. Sure, Matthews et al. may have their favorites, but based on the numbers we were looking at Obama was supposed to win by as many as 10 points. That is pretty far off. My guess is that young voters who caucused enthusiastically in Iowa reverted to form and voted in low numbers in NH. Agree?

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Dick C denver colorado — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:33:16 GMT

I am a hispanic Democrat who is NOT VOTING FOR A DEMOCRAT. Neither one of our candidates have done anything to warrant attention. How many days have they been in the Senate this year, doing work for ME? Not many. They should at least return the money that they are paid. Why arent they at least trying to get work done in the Senate. PSHHH. Please they are WEAK. Clinton has tears, and Obama votes PRESENT. WEAK. I dont want someone who cries or someone who will sign Present onto anything. OBAMA is weak Come on I want someone who can unite this country, McCain is the one who can do it. He has my vote. And he can fight Illegal immigration

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MH Pierce — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:35:25 GMT

I agree with Don Wynn. Also, it should be said that the drama of media journalists recently has become too much part of the process. When one candidate was up in the polls, a huge sway of opinion followed. It was like the Titanic... Given that the democractic primaries are unprecedented with an African-american and a woman running... the media opinion seems irrelevant in its extremes and its inaccuracy. Be cautious, be strong...

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Rob Beckwith — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:37:59 GMT

Laura G.: You assert that any Democrat who says that they will vote Republican if Hillary is the nominee is a fake. I am a lifelong Democrat, I have voted for only two Republicans, neither for President and...drumroll please...If Hillary and McCain are the nominees I will vote for McCain. If Hillary and not McCain I will register a protest 3rd party vote.

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Vince Madison, NJ — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:38:05 GMT

Fake tears...so-called savvy female voters of NH fell for it!!! If she is the nominee, I'm voting republican...if you're gagging for "experience" then McCain is miles ahead.

Natasha B, New Haven, CT

WELL PUT...I am not one of the rabid Clinton haters, but they exhaust me with their attack ads and negative rhetoric...IF its McCain v. Clinton I'm going mcCain, if its Obama v. McCain Im going Obama and if its Clinton v. any other republican....I going to write in Ron paul haha, how bout that?!

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jp — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:39:31 GMT

I've always voted as a democrat but this week I have realized what my republican friends have been telling me about the clintons all these years. Liars, fakes, and willing to do anything to win an election. I commend the voters of N.H for making the race go on to vet the candidates, but if Hillary wins the nomination, I'm writing in Bloomberg or voting liberterian.

Hillary is by far not electable - the only thing that will bring the GOP together is Hillary.

Hillary's stealing of both Edward's and Obama's message of 'change, hope, young folks, and fighting for you' is repugnant and reminds me of Romney's similar tactics. And Bill's Fairy Tale speech was the straw that broke it. Um, do your research and it was the Clinton's changed positions on the way - not Obama. What a liar and I defended him for Monica-gate because it was about sex and not national security? No - he'll do and say anything for power. I will never vote for Clinton and I'm a democrat.

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Ignatius Reilly — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:41:04 GMT

teehee..teehee...teehee.

This is why women should not have the right to vote. As a republican I am PUMPED. McCain will turn Hillary "Kankles" Clinton into his his personal Monica come the fall. Anyone have an extra cigar? John may need them.

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Mike, Somerville MA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:55:08 GMT

As a former organizer for the Dean Campaign, a Government major in college, and a resident (at one time or another) of three vastly different parts of the US, I think Hillary may have blown the game for us Democrats.

Personally, I think the teary eyes and cracking voice were staged. You can't tell me that she held-up like a battleship so far, without a twitch, and suddenly cracked. She's to disciplined and her handlers are too smart for that to be a mistake. As other posters have suggested, the end result in NH may have been women coming to the defense of a seemingly-embattled Clinton at the polls.

This creates a HUGELY dangerous precedent. If savaging Clinton immediately leads to charges of sexism, it isn't too hard to imagine that savaging Obama could lead to charges of racism. Two groups of the Democratic electorate trading shots about who has been more marginalized does not seem like a desirable outcome heading into the general election. It would make my party look like a collection of whining interest groups trying to out-victim eachother, which is precisely how conservatives have portrayed the Dems for years. I hope the Clinton camp put a nice bow on this gift when they handed it to the GOP.

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Gale Wheat — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:55:32 GMT

What an exciting primary! The voters, the candidates, the pollsters and the pundits are all off balance. It is turning into the most stunning and exciting election I'ver ever seen. Americans are involved and turning out in droves to vote and nothing could be better for our country. Viva Democracy!

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S. Bajaj Houston, TX — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:58:48 GMT

Obama is a great orator, but how good is his execution? The reason so many of us are backing Hillary is because we can see that her heart is in the right place AND she will know how to be an executive. Obama has the vision, but it takes a lot more than that. And people really seem to forget that Obama is very very liberal. I just don't think that is where our country is. I think Obama needs to convince me some more that he is the right choice with more specific answers on how he would execute his vision.

As for the buffons known as the media, they have no clue. What they are seeing tonight and what they have seen in IOWA is democracy at work. It's been so long they do not know how to describe it. They can call it the gender divide, the race divide, Teargate, whatever spin they want. At the end of the day people are pretty fed up of our democracy being dragged throught the mud. The media cannot seem to recognize that.

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Dale, Lynn, MA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:04:08 GMT

I volunteered for Hillary in New Hampshire and she won for four reasons. First, we were the only ones that held signs from 8AM to 7PM at many of the polls where voters were still making up their minds as we greeted them. Volunteers for all other candidates left their signs in the snow and people coming to the polls could see that Hillary's supporters were going to go the distance.

Secondly, Senator Obama during the debate on Saturday night stressed that he was going to listen to people, but what the people saw for the next 48 hours was that Hillary was the candidate willing to sit and listen to people and Barack was going to deliver more speeches at people - a one way communication. This emphasized what every older woman knows-while you may love to hear the words, you have to watch the behavior because that will tell you when you're hearing the truth.

Third, everyone knows that our beloved New England Patriots will not send out their least experienced players as they battle for the next Superbowl title and neither will the Democrats in this Presidential race. Hillary did a great job of contrasting her differences in the last debate and not running away from her own experiences in answering the call for change from Edwards and Obama.

And finally,when it comes to change...well every woman knows that every MOM in America has a little jar or box or drawer of "change", a little something that she has put away sometimes for years and years. And while she may not often or ever go to that secret place for herself she will break out the "change" when those she loves need it most...and Hillary knows America need it now.

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jacob, san jose, california — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:14:25 GMT

well Hillary go ahead and be the first women president of our country

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Bobbi J, Bremerton, WA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:14:38 GMT

Congratulations Hillary! The country needs a smart, wise woman.

Bobbi J., Bremerton, WA

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Greg Severs, Memphis, TN — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:16:32 GMT

I don't understand all the black/white conflict with Obama. After all, he's both.
I'm at a greater loss understanding the gender thing. Hillary is Bill, was, is, and shall ever be.
He always was a charmer.

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Mike Feuerstein, Lone Tree, CO — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:21:33 GMT

Sen. Clinton cannot win the presidency when half of the Democrats (incl. me) want to punish her and Bill for his wasted presidency (only a couple notches above W's worst ever - which we're living through now) and most Independents rightly view her as the most dangerous and divisive candidate in the race. For those of you not around in 1968, this is a very similar time: Rome was burning and the Dem leadership fiddled around to nominate Hubert Humphrey! A Clinton nomination will turn another generation off to politics and motivate massive Dem crossovers to Rep or Ind candidates.

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ellen meuleman Harrison maine — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:21:48 GMT

Why does the press refer to Sen.Obama as the "African American"canidate?What about his white half.Why does Hillary have to be referred to as the woman canidate.Why can't they all just be called canidates.

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Judy Z — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:23:11 GMT

No one can quiver a lip like the Clintons!!

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Emily Smith, Salem, Oregon — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:24:09 GMT

If that had been a man whose voice cracked talking about his reasons for running for office, everyone would be oohing and aahing about how strong his convictions were, and how strongly he feels about his role in politics. Just because Hillary is a woman, men everywhere immediately dismiss her as being too emotional. Why am I not surprised? We've been dismissed as the weaker sex since the beginning of time. Maybe that "female weakness" is exactly what this country needs. And those of you who think it was all staged - you can't fake that kind of emotion that well.

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Me, Dallas, TX — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:24:29 GMT

First, as a woman, I would love to have a woman president. However, Hillary being elected to the White House would put as back 50 years before another was elected. She is simply unlikable to too many people. Regardless of how I feel about her policies, she is too dividing to ever accomplish anything. You either love her or hate her. I would vote for a Republican before I would vote for her on that basis alone.

I too, feel that all of the "heartfelt moments" yesterday were staged. The timing was too perfect and the responses too planned to be real. Additionally, I am disgusted IF this is the reason that women changed their votes. A few tears does not a president make.

While I am currently an Obama or Edwards supporter, I truly hope Edwards drops out because he can't win. His votes would mostly transfer to Obama and we could be done with Hillary.

35 years of experience? I will give you the years in the senate, but being the wife of a politician does not give you political experience. For her to be so gung ho on the healthcare reform issues - do you really believe it? She has accepted more money from the insurance industries than anyone else in the Democratic party. You can't talk about one thing and then have your actions show another.

I just frankly don't believe her. You don't change your personality that much over night. PLEASE America, do not put this person into office. I would love to see another female president in my lifetime and this would ruin it for us for a long time.

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ST, Houston, TX — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:25:15 GMT

For all the talk I hear amongst us Democrats of wanting meaningful change, Hillary's victory tonight reminds me that some of us aren't really ready for it. The status quo won tonight on a symbolic level (since Hillary is the embodiment of the status quo) and on a practical matter (since Hillary will get crushed in the general election if she's nominated - especially if McCain gets the nomination, which seems likely at this point). Time and time again, I've been disheartened by the unwillingness of Democrats to stand up to real change, and sadly enough, tonight is no exception. So so disappointing.

Obama for President!

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Laura, Mtka., MN — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:25:51 GMT

As a women over 55 I cannot believe that women do not see through the 'stand by my man'mentality of Hillary. As a community activist, she is not a women I look up to - I see many women on a daily basis that are much stronger than she is. She does not know what real life is, I believe the future is in Obama. It is the time for the torch to pass to the next generation. I see Obama as the new Bobby Kennedy. (After his death I don't see that my generation ever recovered or found someone to his equal)

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john olson — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:25:58 GMT

Regarding anyone who says they are a Democrat and will not vote for Clinton in November being a fake. I am a Democrat, not a fake. I voted for McGovern, Carter twice, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry; but I will not under any circumstances vote for that fraud.

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Jim, Evergreen, CO — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:26:20 GMT

Don Wynn's second paragraph (above) is the best in the whole thread.

Take a bow, Don.

Everyone else take a breather.

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J.D San Diego, California — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:26:45 GMT

As a man, and a Democrat, I say great job Hillary.You guys that are making a big stink about nothing. If Hillary and Bill staged the, so called "events", it is nothing that men running for President have not done in the past. What happens, will happen. Just thank God that whoever wins(I am pro-Hillary), it is not another Bush. And Men have messed things up for long enough. Lets see what a women can do. Talk about breaking that glass ceiling. I think that is what all the guys are crying about. A female President. She is tough, intelligent, and knows her stuff. I say lets give Her a chance. I would be proud to call Hillary President.

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Chris G, LA,CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:27:16 GMT

Go Hillary.....
I could not vote for OBama, not enough experience.
All tag lines, reminds me of Bush.
If I want a rock star I'll pay the $100 to go see him sing but not as president. By the way, I'm black and just turned 25. Go Hillary!!!!

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AnnE Kingston, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:27:19 GMT

Women of New Hampshire...what were you thinking?! Hillary's "tears" were obviously a ploy. I would love to see a woman President - once we have a forward-thinking nondivisive woman who can lead this country. In the meantime, let's get behind the person who has shown an ability to lead, a true commitment to improving people's lives, the real advocate for change...OBAMA.

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Cathy Axline — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:29:14 GMT

I do not get to vote in the primary election until March 3...I truly resent the fact that everyone has all but decided who is in and who is out when only 2 states have voted. I would think in modern times it would make more sense and be more accurate for everyone to vote in a primary on the same day and using the same guidelines. It makes no sense to me to have eveeryone doing their own thing with all sorts of different rules. Also I am deeply disappointed in MSNBC news in taking sides and obviously bashing Hillary...sounds like Fox News to me and guess I will turn my tv to CNN from now on. I have rooted for Edwards since the start. I have been a devout Democrat for 40 years, but if Obama is the Democratic candidate, I will probably vote Republican for the first time, or maybe even an Independent. I try to vote for the best person for the job, and I do not believe Obama is that person.

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joe m. hillsboruogh, nc — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:29:18 GMT

senator clinton's win in NH makes the dem race more interesting. i think most on this blog have it right, if she is the nominee then many dems would be willing to vote rep or indep. from how it is shaping up, obama seems to have the appeal that can attract the moderate reps, uncertain independents, and all the democrats. the party needs to consider the mood of the country first if they trully want to reclaim the white house and crown hillary their leader. winning in the general elections will need more than a harking back to the good old days, it will require a vision for a very different future.

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C Skourup — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:30:34 GMT

"I'm glad Hillary won is that Iowa and NH now don't get to decide for us, the people who live in other states (CA in my case), who our Democratic nominee should be. Now, the rest of us will have a chance to cast our votes that actually mean something later on. Finally, I'm gratified that a black man and a woman each won a presidential primary for the first time ever in our country." I have to totally agree with D Wynn from CA. I'm very happy that our input will count for something now rather than just those in IA & NH.

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kevin balboa — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:32:07 GMT

Im sure america Finally ,got it rigth ,please keep voting for the best next President ,stay away from male or female,from black or white ,don't allow the media to vote for you,lisen to smart words and Presidential carisma .Im sure Hillary will be our Best Choice,I hope you have the same oppinion.

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Virgil, Richmond, Kentucky — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:32:44 GMT

Hmmmm the republicans will win because the democrats can't unite on a candidate because there is a female and a male running. Huckabee all the way

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T Collins, Minneapolis, Minnesota — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:33:30 GMT

I am an African American woman and would not vote for a candidate based on race or gender. Our first lady's politics are more consistent with a moderate republican than the democratic party that I support. My first choice is John Edwards followed by Senator Obama. It seems that we are easily distracted by side issues and not those that greatly influence how we live and what policies do or do not support our constitution and the general welfare of our society. Maybe it would be beneficial for us to insist that issues be discussed rather than tears, hair or skin color.

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Al, Chicago Illinois — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:35:27 GMT

It just goes to show you that the youth in America still can't spot a judas in the crowd... Let's look into Obama's past a bit and see what you come up with. He has more skeletons in his closet than a science teacher at medical school.

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Jill, Tulsa, OK — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:37:01 GMT

Didn't America learn its lesson and face enough critism the first 8 years under the Clinton (behind every man there is a strong woman) regime? Are we really even considering letting them in the white house again?!

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Gilberto — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:37:07 GMT

It's a sad day for America today.But I still believe Obama has a chance.

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valeriam. smith — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:37:33 GMT

Good luck Hillary, I am proud of you. I am lo0king forward to you becoming our next president. It is time we show the men of this contry we can do something beside cook, clean and have babies. we have a brain that work just as well as their. We can plan, run a city, state or country. In doing so we can still run our home. We as women are able to do more then one thing and that is what we have over the men in this country, so men get over it Hillary will be our next president. She will show you how a contry is suppose to be, not for just a few but all of us. I am a black female and very proud of it.

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Barbara - Los Angeles — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:37:34 GMT

Are you all kidding. We just need to get the Repubicans out of office. Either Obama or Clinton will work for me. Don't forget about the party that got us into this war, voted against funding medical coverage for yes, that's right, children. A vote for a Republican is a vote to continue the same course - business as usual. Vote Democratic....

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valeriam. smith — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:38:16 GMT

Good luck Hillary, I am proud of you. I am looking forward to you becoming our next president. It is time we show the men of this contry we can do something beside cook, clean and have babies. we have a brain that work just as well as their. We can plan, run a city, state or country. In doing so we can still run our home. We as women are able to do more then one thing and that is what we have over the men in this country, so men get over it Hillary will be our next president. She will show you how a contry is suppose to be, not for just a few but all of us. I am a black female and very proud of it.

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Gialani — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:39:02 GMT

Let's be fair ....Hillary should win!!!!!.I have been watching both of them really closly for past 4 months.So far now she seems to be the right candidate.The only reason Obama has been gaining popularity is because of OPRAH, which was kind of cheezy!!!!!!!!!!!! what she did....BUT NO MATTER WHAT MAY THE BEST PERSON WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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John, Tacoma, Washington — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:40:00 GMT

I have read all the comments and heard Chris on the television. Two things bother me about all the fussin about Ms. Clinton and Mr. Obama.. One, Ms. Clinton has only served as a New York Senator. She was a Presidents' wife or first lady? Two, Mr. Obama does not salute the Flag of the United States and is a confirmed Muslim. By definition, Muslims are supposed to hate and kill Americans. Now, how can these facts be true and we are going to vote for these two people? I do not understand the reasoning behind any of you that are supporting either of these two candidates. I still have not made up my mind at this point. It will be a little while longer before I can honestly cast a vote for any of the candidates at this time. The woman and black thing is just that a thing. Who cares if person is female or black? What the hell does that got to do with running this country? Lots of women and lots of black people run countries and do a fine job of it. Granted some of them are dictators but, who knows? Ha Lighten up a little. John from Tacoma Washington.

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toby darling, whittier, ca. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:40:02 GMT

Anybody is fine with me as long as they aren't REPUBLICANS. I can't imagine how we are ever getting out debt or Iraq. They have destroyed the constitution, so lets just get a Dem. in there.

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Ash, NJ — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:40:47 GMT

I am glad Hillary won tonight she is the most qualified candidate for the president as compared to Obama or Edwards one is just a Inspirational speaker and The other one is the Trial Lawyer. They will say anything to get elected. In order to change the system you have to work with it. Otherwise they will end up breaking something else without realizing it.

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Kevin, Kirkland, Wash. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:41:37 GMT

You know, I actually agreed with the pundits this time; I though Obama was going to pick up that momentum from IA and carry it into NH. But that turned out to be complete foolishness! If anything, Clinton's win tonight confirms that this is a two person race between Obama and Clinton. Now we can say for certain that Super Tuesday will deliver the final verdict.

As for the GOP, I can totally see McCain taking center stage at the convention. The party would really do themselves a favor if they selected him --sure he sides with Bush, and his postions have some conservatives angry --but he is really the most electable. That being said, I think it would be boring if he won...we need some new blood. I don't care if Bush's approval shoots up to say 50% come Nov. (good luck with that)

I'm rooting for Obama now, but I orinally wanted Richardson to win. I disagree with some who say Clinton will put the Dems into the red if she the nominee; we can't predict that. But it would be great if we could elet someone who is fresh. And might I add thatI was very shock by former president Bill Clinton's remarks about Obama's "fairy tail" cmapaign. He reflected a tone as if he was talking to Ken Starr, not one of his own! Pretty low for Bill...

If it is infact Obama, I hope the srutiny of a national campaign will force him to tell us where he stands on the issues. Face it, we still don't know the guy. Come up with some comprehensive plan we can believe in, otherwise, a more experience candidate will more than likely win the election in Nov.

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nicole, new york, ny — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:41:43 GMT

Like another women said, I vote Obama because he has vision and motivates. I also vote for Obama because I am tired of the negative attacks that Hillary once denigrated. I honestly can't believe that she made reference to Obama being no MLK Jr. or John Kennedy. Shame on you Hillary. Run a clean campaign.

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TTom, Atlanta, GA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:46:35 GMT

If the Huckabee people do as they say: change the Consitution for prohibit anchor babies from automatically becoming citizens and couple that with actual deportation, as "Ike" did in '54, all the illegals, McCain is toast!! And the rest of'em have big problems because most people see the illegals as an economic/tax issue with their schools, their medical care, welfare, etc.

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Ken Sam Bronx, N.Y. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:48:41 GMT

The biggest looser tonight is Chris Matthews. He must be having sleepest night. GO Chris. I can't wait to hear Morning Joe and see Meca's face.

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Rick S. Elgin, Illinois — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:49:03 GMT

I don't get this whole new hampshire, Iowa thing. Truth be told, they represent next to nothing of the US electorate and represent very little when it will come to the general election. You people need to stop getting all worked up until at least February 5th when most americans have at least had the chance to express their opinions. It's good to see so many people finally involved in the political process though. If George Bush has done one good thing, it has gotten a heck of a lot of people pissed off enough to actually go out and vote.

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MIKE GILLICK — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:49:30 GMT

IM NOT TO SURE ABOUT MY ABILITY TO COMMENT ABOUT ANYONES QUALIFACATIONS TO BE PRESIDENT. HOWEVER I DO BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE SHOULD BE TOTALLY FOCUSED ON ABILITY.IT APPEARS THAT AS WE ARE VERY HUNG UP ON GENDER,RACE,AND AGE TO BAD WE CANT FOCUS ON ISSUES

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Michael Ware, Blacksburg, VA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:49:37 GMT

A flash back on the Clinton 8 years of experience:
-Green energy companies like US Windpower and Kenetech floundered with incompetent leadership.
-Energy frauds like Ken Lay had multiple stays in the Lincoln Bedroom and golfing excursions with the President to get Executive promotion in international energy deals.
-The Baptist and Methodist President and First Lady crossed separation of church and state when they imposed themselves upon the closed communion of the Roman Catholic Church in South Africa.
-Global Warming got off to the fast track with US highway speed limits doubling freeway emissions and SUV's becoming popular.
-We know that feminists and unions are big Clinton fans. That's what the Northeast and California are all about.
-They publicly polarized politics with their booing and public eyerolling mockery of Bush and others.

No thanks to this experience. Either it failed to do anything in the midst of these things or actually promoted them. We will never know. It was the administration that redefined words for us to justify stupidity, only to be succeeded by the administration that invented new words for us to justify similar stupidity.

Obama is a big change from all of this old school. He's already demonstrated respect for those who stand up, surrounded by those that disagree with them. He disagrees with booing and supports free speech. He actually listens and actually responds thoughtfully to even the unpopular. He may not be Martin Luther King Jr but we do know that he does not dehumanize his opposition. If there's going to be a push for unity, these character traits will do it.

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Me, Dallas, TX — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:50:56 GMT

For Al from Chicago,

The Clinton's have so many skeletons in their closet they have had to rent storage lockers.

I don't think anyone is truly honest when they run for president - how can they be? They would never get elected. BUT, if you look at our country coming together and getting change pushed through - Hillary is not the answer. Edwards and Obama are our best shot at things being different.

Even the Democrats are EXTREMELY divided about her. She will not be able to win over Republicans at all and nothing would get passed in Congress. I would love to see a Democrat in office, but if she is the candidate, then we are screwed.

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Tanya Oliver — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:52:07 GMT

I've never voted before but I have registered this year just to vote againt Hillary. Please, anyone who would take there husband back after he cheated, does not deserve my vote. The tears, get a life. Do you really want that as a president. What would she do if we were really at war, cry her way out of it.

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John K. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:52:11 GMT

1. We don't need a candidate to cry for sympathy or for any other reason in public.
2. We don't need a candidate who calls for change, but never says what the change would be. It could be change for the worse.
3. We scrutinize 1 candidates faith,we should do them all.

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Joyeta E. Anderson — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:54:04 GMT

Check the ballots , did she and bill bring the 2% from the other state same day registration , with pretend addres + id from the former Gov. her campaign chair ? investigate , investigate. another Bush / Rove. I use to adore Bill & Hillary now I will turn of the TV when they come on as I have done for the last 7 years with Bush.

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Mia McCormick, Philadelphia, PA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:54:13 GMT

Chris Matthews is reading the tea leaves of statistics for clues about women voters. We are not a monolithic entity. Forget the idea that women/feminists can be counted on for Hillary. Many of us "older women" are feminists...the only women VP's or directors. The brains that got us into boardrooms are the brains that may disagree with Hillary's positions. I am not against a woman president, but I am not for Hillary. That's not bias, it's rational and individual thinking. She is not entitled to votes based on her gender any more than she is to be excluded on that basis. In all, I simply don't believe Hillary is electable and I feel that our country needs to switch parties.
The fiscal conservatives have plunged us into debt, the "experienced in foreign relations" have plunged us into war and international disdain, the traditional Republican relationship with business has cost us jobs, tax revenue and environmental damage. If all Hillary's experience made her vote for that war, I doubt her judgement. If it was political expediency, I doubt her fitness.
We do need leaders of courage and vision, like Jefferson, Hancock, Franklin and Adams. They didn't have more experience in governance than George III; they just had a better vision and the courage to stand for it. Now that we have another "King" George dismantling our Constitution, we need leaders like that. Being male shouldn't count against them. Hey, any chance we can resurrect Harry Truman? Or Harriet, if she can give-em-hell like her forebear.

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R. McCoy — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:55:32 GMT

We have a President I am assuming,

Hillary Cries, Obama Dies!

Now come time of war,

Hillary really tough

Hillary - cries

all will die.

What a President, not the real McCoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Alain Blair, Chicago IL — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:56:57 GMT

I feel sorry for these women that voted for Clinton out of sympathy. Because she cried? Because the 'men' pounced on her? TV women were saying there was a double standard because male politicains can cry, but women can't. Thats not the arguement. Could anyone imagine if Edwards teared up because someone asked him about how difficult the 'pressure is'? He'd get the living crap beaten out of him before he was even able to leave the diner. If anything, that's the double standard. Its insane.

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Mike, LI, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:57:27 GMT

Barack the vote!

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Jason Tribolini — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:58:26 GMT

One thing I am certainly tired of hearing is women are more emotional then men. Men may bottle it up more, but if suicide and murder rates are any indication, men are probably more emotional.

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Kathy S. West Seneca, New York — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:59:01 GMT

I am so tired of hearing how everything is orchestrated with Hillary. And I'm sure that the people in New Hampshire were aggravated by the media rush to crown Obama and bury Hillary. Let's face it, you men just can't face a woman possibly in the White House. Don't worry though, I'm sure you'll find lots of things to criticize her over the next two months as each primary leads up to SuperDuper Feb. 5th.

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Ragtag Virginia — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:59:23 GMT

It is very sad when my fellow Americans can't discuss the basics of politics instead of the slander towards people running for office. Do your own research and vote the way you direct yourself.

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Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:00:01 GMT

all this infighting and threats of voting for the republications if hilary or obama wins.

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Oriyomi Agbabiaka, Lagos, Nigeria — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:01:34 GMT

It is amazing that no one is talking about the abilities of the candidates based on their past achievements or what they claim they can offer. For a society of educated and "enlightened" people, this is really so disappointing. What is wrong with being a woman, is it a sin or a disadvantage to have been a former first lady? If you truly believe that all are born equal, what does the colour of a man's skin have to do with his abilities. America will always have problems of divisiveness and retardation because they essentially do not understand what the real issues are. The society is highly racial and sexist.

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Ada, Texas — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:01:49 GMT

Come on man, forget about ploy and tears. Tears do not determine vote does it?.
My question then is how do you vote? with your emotions or your realization?

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jerry,odessa,fl — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:03:04 GMT

The way i see it, clinton has the vision. our government needs to focus on the economy issues first and formost.the rest will fall in place...education,crime,religion, ect. the hillary/bill clinton team has done done it suscessely before and can do it again. signed a contributing suscessful 39 yr old male business owner with children which has alot at stake.

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John K. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:04:00 GMT

MSNBC is an un-necessary network.
Come on lets play, smart and rich ones.
You can insult me, but I am not supposed to insult you back.

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Blondshag, USA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:04:41 GMT

VOTE - HILLARY CLINTON - PRESIDENT!! The only true choice! HILLARY is experienced and she is ready to do the Presidential duties on day one. HILLARY is well educated and she can get the job done. HILLARY is a very hard worker and she will work for American. HILLARY will do great things for America-she is truly commited. HILLARY is Proud of America and she salutes the America flag. HILLARY is America's Change Machine and she is ready to get the Wheels of Change rolling for America and all as President.
HILLARY CLINTON - THE COMEBACK KID.
HILLARY CLINTON - THE ONLY CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT.
YOU GO GIRL!!!!
~~~Who Let The Dogs Out~~~ Put them front and center.
HILLARY CLINTON-PRESIDENT - TRUE HOPE FOR AMERICA.

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Doug Somers Franklin, WI — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:04:52 GMT

There is no truth to the rumor that Bill and Hillary
made a late deal to have Diebold count the votes. After all, it worked for Bush!

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Albert Doe, Wickliffe, LY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:05:02 GMT

I am a long time Republican,,,terribly disenchated with what both parties are offering.

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Tom Moore, Jeffersonville, PA. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:06:02 GMT

This was a good win for Senator Clinton. All the so called experts had the Senator buried a 6:00 PM and are now eating crow at 11:00 PM. It scares the hell out of Corporate America that woman can be president. This is the 21st century, get over it. Senator Obama is an impressive personality, that in time, will be a great leader & president. 2016 looks like a realistic timeline. Without the independant vote it wouldn't have been a close race in N.H.. Also believe the TV media folks, in general, are to full of themselves. They think we are stupid and hang on their their every word, opinion and assessment. They put on their slacks and panty hose like everyone else. It's all about their so called power trips. This election is about placing our internal domestic issues as our nos. 1 prioriy and mending fences globally as our nos. 2 priority.

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Doug Somers Franklin, WI — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:07:50 GMT

The Republicans are Happy Again. They know that Hillary is the only Candidate they can beat in 2008.

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Indra Bishop — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:10:22 GMT

Hillary for me all the way! Competence over TALK.
Obama - come back in 8 years after you have made real changes elsewhere to prove you can bring change. Hillary has has been bringing change for years. She may not have always been successful - but she has been DOING it.

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Johnny Cash, Iowa — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:10:42 GMT

Karen and others--

It ain't the 'woman' thing; it's the same morons who chose Al Gore (yes, at the time, sorry) and John Kerry. People in Iowa showed up five days ago because they want to back a winner, not someone who represents some cute special interest group and is about themselves, e.g., Clinton. Those of you who put your own interest ahead of others will elect the next President Bush (Romney, whoever). What idiocy.

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Watcher, Germantonw, MD — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:12:17 GMT

The bad thing about it is that the whole thing has circled the globe. Hillary's breaking down, the gender divide, etc. etc.

How do you think this makes America look in front of the international community?

All I know is, if we Americans don't wake up, and start paying attention to substance, change our habits, and correct our priorities, we may as well write this country off.

This may be envitable, given that "eveything has and end" and all great civilizations in the past rose and fell. Why should we be any different?

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maggie, nashville TN. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:13:20 GMT

Obama has fresh ideas and passion for change! He has shown an ability to lead, a desire to work for and with the Ameican people. The only way I would vote for Hillary, the queen of "stand by your man" is if she is Obama's VP.

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herman holland — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:13:29 GMT

It wasn't hillarys tears that made her look pathetic,it was the speeches her and bill gave talking about obama's votes when she voted for the same things.She forgot to tell us that.while obama never got off message,bill and hillary's speeches were no more than negative diatribes against obama.The clintons showed that when the going gets tough,they show their lack of class

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Ismael Mendoza — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:13:36 GMT

After not having a Clinton in office for 7 years, it was easy to forget how fake these panderers were and still are. I mean Bush is no prize either, setting the bar so low that it seems that we'll take anyone else, but do we really need another Family Dynasty in control of things. I have GOP'ers calling her a far left freak, but I just see her as a person that jumps on whatever band wagon is popular. She'll sell her Left Wing buddies in a heartbeat if it meant getting the White House.
I was appalled that anyone would fall for this pathetic near sob show that just played right of the Bubba Handbook. You can’t say you’re a strong woman who is tougher than the boys and then cry that the boys are picking her. You set women back 50 years every time we allow her to get away with this. She runs on her supposed Executive Experience, yet she wasn't the one running things and failed on her Universal Healthcare Plan push. In fact, that helped push the congressional control over to the Right Wing for 12 years.
Besides, If I’m going to vote for the person and not who she's married to. As I said in the 90's, we voted for the man and not his wife. The same thing should apply here as we should for her and not her husband. If this was Central America, we would be screaming that this was a blatant power grab.
No more US Royalty, whether it‘s the Bushes or Clintons. We need change and getting another Clinton is not going to change things at all and might set things on track for another fight amongst the extremists or have another round of pathetic investigations that waste time that can be well spent on more pressing issues such as Global Warming, illegal Immigration, healthcare, Social Security, and the illusion of Domestic Security here in the States.

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Ken — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:13:37 GMT

Obama needs to win South Carolina to maintain some sort of momentum. I do not wish to see HRC in the white house
again they are ridiculous.

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BR, Seattle, WA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:14:20 GMT

I wonder how many of Hillary's supporters actually voted for Bush in 2000 because Bill was loathed by so many?

Talk about Flip-Flopping.

I know that the last eight years have been horrible but do you seriously want Bill Clinton back in the White House???

There is a large segment of the country that does NOT want Bill anywhere near the White House again.

Those of you of that were dumb enough to vote for Bush should REALLY think about your vote this time.

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John, Carlsbad, Ca — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:14:20 GMT

Please Wake Up America - no more Bushes AND no more Clintons!!!

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Just Joe — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:15:23 GMT

After 30 years of Republicans screwing 80% of us while providing the wealthiest one % with dramatic unfair advantages it is incredible to read the anti democratic vitriole of so many self certified morons.

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Shirley Bryan, Texas — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:15:29 GMT

American's where are you?
Barack Hussein Obama was born to a MUSLIM,
Keep in mind when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but the Koran.
The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the U.S.
from the inside out. What better way then through the President of United States.

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Ryan Baker, Puyallup, Washington — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:15:58 GMT

If Hillary Clinton wins, I will have lost hope in the majority of America's voting population. While that might not mean much, it's still appaling that she is even close to Barack Obama.

Let's look at this:

1) Hillary has never said how she will accomplish these issues that are presented before all of the candidates. She says she will take care of them, but HOW?!

2) She does NOT have 35 years of experience what so ever, other then her term as Senator of New York. Being married to a Governor and President does not mean you have experience in leading or making decisions. It is unfair to try and ride the wings of Bill Clinton's presidency into the White House.

3) Do you really want another 4-8 years of Clintons? The trend will continue... Bush Clinton, Bush, Clinton. Then what? Laura Clinton?

4) Hillary has extreme animosity towards her Republican peers. What will this get done in Washington?

5) These recent orchestrated events are embarrasing to the American people. I'm not being sexist, but it was ridiculous that she played the "crying woman" card.

6) She can't get things done!!! Her initiative as First Lady was to reform health care. LOOK WHERE IT IS TODAY!

7) She isn't trustworthy.

I beg you America, do not vote for Hillary Clinton. She has an enormous personal agenda, such as JUST BEING ELECTED. Mr. Obama is a respectable clear-headed candidate who truly cares about this country (without crying about it).

Good Luck Barack.

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mary cumpian, big foot , tx — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:17:59 GMT

I'm happy clinton and McCain won, because Obama is to young to run our country he does not have the experience and the know how.People like him cause he is young, well they better think about it very hard cause we are going to be in a bigger fix than we are now. thank you Texas girl

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April K. Toledo, OH — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:18:38 GMT

For those thinking Obama is the best choice for the Democrat nominee, you need to check his record. Especially, the different items he did not give a yes/no vote for. 166 to be exact. While some things might seem small, some do concern me. No vote towards prohibiting money for groups that perform abortions. As a woman, being pro-choice, not taking a stand on that is upsetting to me. On agriculture bills, his only yes vote, to put a cap on farm subsidies. Those having to do with bioenergy, an income tax cap for farm subsidies, and gov sponsored farm insurance, no vote. A large number of no votes for domestic budget issues, but proposed and had a bill passed to give $56 million to the country of Congo. No vote on a bill implementing the 9/11 commision recommendations, no vote for Iraq withdrawl amendment. Some of you want "change" or experience? I'll take Hillary's experience of proving she fights for the people like she did in Arkansa, just like she fought (even though it failed) to get universal health coverage as first lady. But, well SCHIP is HER idea, and regardless of the president vetos, it was her creation. I'm part of the younger voters, but I want someone who can take a stand whether I agree or not. Not someone who gives a "no vote" to some very important issues.

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JLK, FL — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:20:07 GMT

A VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT CLINTON WILL BE A FUTURE VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN! CAN THIS NATION REALLY WITHSTAND ANOTHER 4 MABYE 8 YRS OF ANOTHER BUSH?

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Jess Gayer, Wilmington, California — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:20:35 GMT

Nobody seems to get it !!!.... The reason Obama lost in NH when he was so much in front in the polls is racism. The Tom Bradley effect from CA in 1982 .... Bradley was 9 to 10 % ahead in the final polls to become Governor but lost narrowly. White people lie to pollsters and even exit pollsters about their true intentions when it comes to voting for a person of color. In Iowa it was an open caucus, no hiding your racism behind a curtain ...in NH it was easy to hide one's bias .... A sad day still in America.

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George, Singapore — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:20:50 GMT

America sometimes tends to elect a president who is articulate, good looking & apparently nice, eg George Bush. Is this the way an employer would recruit someone to run his company?

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Wil Okraku, Frederick, MD — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:21:18 GMT

It's rather pathetic to think of it that Hillary tearing up should be a deciding factor in this race. Could this have been really ochestrated by Bill; not sure who Obama is running against now-Bill, Hillary or both.
More than anything, it's very important to look critically at the shift in independent candidates by the McCain factor.
Albeit, Obama will do well; the momentum is on!

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bill, McLeansboro, Il. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:22:23 GMT

As a resident of Illinois it upsets me to see just how easy of a cake walk barrack has had. what about his religion, lack of representation south of cook county, the fact that he not even been to all of the 110 counties in illinois not sure if he even knows there is an Illinois south of Springfield. If you really think he is a change he is not just another chicago party player. He has not represented the people of downstate Illinois worthy enough to be reelectd again to the senate actually when he was elected he lost in the downstate vote not only in the primary but in the general election as well. I just hope an pray that he starts to get the tough questions that need to be asked and answered and when all is said an done he is not the right person to be the dem. nominee. as a matter of fact I have lost count of the number of democrats in downstate that have said they will vote against him in the general election. And yes I am a Clinton supporter and ninth generation Democrat with family ties to the founding fathers of the party.

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Allan, San Diego, CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:22:40 GMT

If the theme of a united Democrat front is CHANGE, then we need to move away from the BUSH and CLINTON dynasties. Can you believe there will be 18 year olds who will be voting for the first time and the only presidents they've known their whole lives are BUSH/CLINTON. This is not about gender or race, it's about CHANGE, REAL CHANGE. OBAMA/EDWARDS 2008!!!

Please America, Wake Up

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Florene, Hilton Head, SC — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:07:26 GMT

I never saw Hillary shed a tear during interviews about her husband's infidelity. When it comes to the stress of campaigning, her eyes well up as she holds back tears. What will happen if she were to become president, the most stressful job in the world? More tears or was that an opportunity for women to see her as vulnerable?

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M Montgomery, TX — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:17:33 GMT

Ah! I see there is a lot of rhetoric that is being said about the candidates, especially the ones about race or gender. I am going to vote for a change but not because the two main choices seem to be decided by race or gender. What are the issues that need to be adressed, which are the candidates strong and weak on, not because they wear a skirt or has dark skin. You people need to remember that some of those candidates are elected senators who are not doing the job they were elected for. They were not elected to run for office but to legislate laws beneficial to the people in this country. How many bills have they come up with to help us out? Their vote is needed in the Senate. since the Democrats lost in 2000, they have pouted like a little kid who didn't get his way and have outright refused to help the administration help the American people. for eight years they have insisted it's either their way or the highway. What plans have they come up with? They talk change but what changes are being offered to consider? I guess they'll let us know when they get there, not much reason to elect them, though. It must be nice to have a job that I don't have to do and still get paid for it because I'm running for office. Get a life people and start making these officials do the job they were elcted for.

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Patrick, Washington DC — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:45:36 GMT

Has anyone asked Hillary what she actually did to bring CHANGE in her years in Congress? Can Americans get smart and get rid of these Clinton hillbillies with the same ole-same-ole politics ...look at that group picture with Albright and Gen what's his name in the background ---IS THAT A SIGN OF CHANGE? And how low can an ex Pres. Clinton go, attacking Barama--what a classless couple! And does MaCain really represent change after all those years trying. From A long independent, apparently staying that way.

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Joon, NY, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:29:12 GMT

I'm glad Hillary won instead of Obama. I just hope she gets the nomination, because if we are going to have a Democrat president, I'd rather have her. I live in New York City, and I'd rather not get blown up. Strangely enough, for some reason I trust her more than him by miles (none of them seem trustworthy). This may seem like a fear mentality, but frankly I don't care, I don't live in the cornfields of Iowa, a threat to me is real.