First thoughts: Game on

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:22:43 GMT

Well, well; looky, looky here!
Seems like New Hampshire said, "NO-bama!"

First thoughts: Game on

Lynette, NYC — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:30:09 GMT

We have ourselves a race. It shouldnt be decided by two small states and thankfully it was not.

First thoughts: Game on

Elliott, Los Angeles, CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:36:47 GMT

Sorry to have to inform you guys....but the biggest loser last night was the media. You piled on like something I have never seen. You got it so completely wrong. And yet you want to say it was all the fault of the pollsters. If that was the case why did Tom Brokaw find it necessary to lecture Chris Mathews on the air last night? (I loved it so)!!! I could not be happier this morning, not only that Hillary won but that everyone of you has egg dripping from your chin. Could someone get me a napkin please?

First thoughts: Game on

Shadow, Hamden, CT — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:37:21 GMT

There are thousands of young voters in NH who thought Obama had already won who are kicking themselves right now; however, it's important to keep things in perspective.

The problem for Clinton is twofold. One, those young voters will be motivated again to turnout for Obama now that the race is competitive again. Two, even if Clinton can maintain the same voting coalition in future states, most states have more African Americans than NH, and that would be be enough to push Obama over the edge in the majority of them. The entire establishment-underdog dichotomy in modern Demcoratic primaries has included the new ideas underdog not getting substantial African American support; you add that to the underdog vote, and it's simply a matter of arithmetic that they win.

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Bob, Manchester, NH — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:39:42 GMT

As a NH voter who decided in the last three days along with 38% of other voters here, it's disturbing to see the implication that race played a huge factor. The smiling, then angry Hillary of the debate, coupled with her, "I care" moment on Monday were decisive, as was the fact that NH voters don't like to be told who we'll be voting fore, we like to decide ourselves.

Also--as a voter who was getting 8-10 calls a day for the last week, about half of which were polls, don't discount the fact that people were just sick and tired of the harassment as we got closer to election day.

First thoughts: Game on

Cecelia C. Monge, Seabrook, Texas — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:40:21 GMT

Hillary Clinton won last night because 1)she borrowed word for word John Edwards speech about "I care - it is personal" and when 2)told she looked "cute and soft" when told voters in New Hampshire liked Obama more she changed to look soft got weepy (to quote Bill "give me a break", 3)Pundits did not hold her feet to the fire: when Clinton campaign thought she had Iowa locked up, she was not even going to talk or meet with the press or common people of NH and "I will run my campaign as I see fit" and the Clintons went to the elite of NH at first and Obama went to the common folk, 4)her patting Chris Matthews on the cheek to show likability and softness: have any of you ever watched her body language? She does to the men what they do to her: if they pat her on the shoulder - she pats them on the shoulder, if they touch her cheek, she touches their cheek: Hillary is still very 60's - Bella Abzug, etc. Hillary will always cater to special interests and wealthy - and only appear to change. The common woman is not someone Hillary cares to hang with - only at election time - if forced to do so, 5) Attacks in the press, ads against Obama even if they were lies - Bill Clinton stating Obama brought in voters from Illinois even while the Clintons were trucking in thousands of people from Mass. as Chris Matthews said a guard told him most of the people in her first rallys in NH were not even from NH - the guard said look at the license plates in the parking lot they are all from Mass. They were brought in at first to make it seem she was packing them in and sure enough everyone bought it. Hillary and Bill have not changed. I live in Arkansas when they were there and as a result they left a decimated middle class - raised taxes 12 times. Huckabee cleaned up a ton of their bureaucratic mess.

First thoughts: Game on

Rob, Phoenix, AZ — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:41:50 GMT

I think that First Read seriously underestimates the real reason that Clinton won. It wasn't just that Hillary displayed that she is human after all, but that she also got voters talking about substantive issues like policy, direction of the country, and the difference between rhetoric and real change. First Read sounds a little more than sexist in its post primary analysis of why Clinton won. And by the way, women (and some forward thinking men) have begun to notice the media bias for Obama and against Clinton and there was a backlash vote against Obama because of it. This should put the media on notice that the public does not like being spoon fed a sugar coated candidate. One more BIG POINT: The media got it wrong when it made light of (and under reported) the incident where two men held up those signs that read "iron my shirt." Had that been Obama and two people held up a sign that read "shine my shoes" the media would have been indignant in its disgust over a display of racism (and rightly so). All of the women (and forward thinking men) in NH who saw those two men try and humiliate Clinton said ENOUGH.

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susan annapolis md — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:42:13 GMT

<--a woman AGAINST hillary and glad to be, so no, i'm not part of that "woman army" you mention. and am a bit offended by a bit of sexism pitting "all" women into voting for hillary. i tend to think for myself and will vote for ABH (anyone but hillary) because what she represents to me is NOT what this country needs. we do not need a third term for Bill and if you think differently, then you should rethink "what will bill do?"

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Nashville_fan — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:42:17 GMT

While it may be convenient for the media to say that the polls were so wrong because of Senator Obama's race, I think that is far from the truth. Whether Senator Obama wins or loses, it will not be because of his race.

I think the biggest force at play yesterday was a backlash against the media for attempting to usurp the voters of New Hampshire before the polls even opened. Judging by many of the headlines this morning, that is a lesson that the media still has not learned. Many media outlets are now swinging sharply from the "Clinton is dead" storyline to the "Obama lost because he is black" storyline. Both of these storylines do a huge disservice to the American people.

This election is not about the media, who cries, or who voted for the Patriot Act. This election is about who do we want to lead America into the future. My answer remains the same: Barack Obama.

Senator Obama has demonstrated the same grace and resolve regardless of what the polls say or how the vote turns out. This is the kind of strength of conviction that appeals to me - his message has not changed from day one and he handles adversity the same way that he handles success - with determination and dare I say it, hope.

I'm sure many in the Clinton campaign wishes they could erase much of the mean spirited flailing they put on display yesterday. I again congratulate Senator Clinton on a tremendous win in New Hampshire, but I would feel better about her as a candidate if she (and her husband) could be just as gracious when she is down as when she is up.

Obama '08

First thoughts: Game on

HP Boston — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:43:11 GMT

Do not underestimate the voters of NH! They were not fooled by Romney, they saw first hand the crap he pulled in Mass. Do not over think the fact that people will see the he is buying his way across America.
Do not keep reaching for an "EXCUSE" why Hillary was the winner. People do like her, people do trust her, people do KNOW she has experienced. Not just women.
Stop the negative spin boys, you cooked your own goose!

First thoughts: Game on

Stopwatchingfoxnews, Rochester, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:45:30 GMT

Cheers to the Democrats and the way we turned to vote yesterday in NH. Whoever you're rooting for, you got to love it. It bolds well for us in the Novemeber election. The more time we take to choose our candidate and not let the media do it for us, the better off our candidate will be come November. All of our candidates need to be tested and toughend up for the Republic attack machine. Go Hillary!

Hey, Chris Matthews, how does that crow taste? If Obama fans want someone to blame, you should direct it toward MSNBC and the blantent sexism from Matthews! It brought the woman out after he and the other MSNBC pundits piled on Hillary and kicked her when she was down after Iowa.

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JohnnyU, WA State — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:46:04 GMT

The most important thing is to get the Republicans out of the Whitehouse and the House & Senate. To restore opportunitiy to the people. Obama is truly inspiring. I hope he gets the nomination. I'll vote for whoever the Dems tap. The Republican criminals have all but destroyed our Democracy. George W Bush & Dick Cheney are a disgrace. Any of the Republican candidates would be very much the same. I watched McCain's speech last night, if you could call it a speech. Whatever word is the opposite of dynamic. Please think for yourself and don't believe the lies being spread about Barack. Look into it for yourself. He's a good honest man who truly has the BEST INTERESTS of this country at heart. Look ahead, what's best for our future?

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Jan, Nashua, NH — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:47:32 GMT

I think a lot is being made of the tearing up MOMENT. If it had an affect, I think it was the reaction, not the action.

The Clinton Haters came out and made fun of her, after praising President GHWB for publicing sobbing his heart out over his son's political misfortunes.

Calling a woman who simply wells up while talking about her love for America a "crybaby" is not going to help. In fact, I saw a Fox blog where commenters were describing the moment as Clinton being "uncontrollably emotional."
Then we all saw the video -- over and over and over. She was obviously well in control of herself.
So, just another double standard.

Edwards, after arrogantly claiming he had knocked Clinton out of the entire race with his Iowa "win" (beating her by .04%!)...
And then showing no emotion while knocking her about for showing some emotion...
He got CREAMED by Clinton at barely 17%!

So I don't think it was Hillary Clinton's action, as much as it was the Good Old Boys' reaction, that pissed off a lot of our old "Status Quo" women up here in Independent New Hampshire.

First thoughts: Game on

g.eglesias'nepa~ — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:47:47 GMT

It is rediculous to say woman flocked to Hillary in droves because she "teared up". Are woman the only ones in our species capable of producing tears?? If her male competitors think tears work---Why don't they try to produce some?

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Ray in Maryland — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:55:37 GMT

Did the split victories for Iowa and New Hampshire recalibrate this race? If Clinton was inevitable two weeks ago and Obama was inevitable two days ago, do we have a level playing field now?

In pulling out all the stops to win New Hampshire the Clinton campaign stooped a little low in their accusations (you didn't note the accusation questioning his pro-choice record) and drew some unflattering comparisons about the value of Martin Luther King's soaring rhetoric versus LBJ's ability to get things done that are still making their way around the blogs. What will this mean for their campaign as they campaign in states with African American electorate greater than the small percentage found in New Hampshire?

In how many states does Bill Clinton have to "ride to the rescue" and become the attack dog? Won't that diminish her candidacy among women in the long run?

By what measure will WE now determine who is up and who down in the next few weeks, since the media's track record of predications going into New Hampshire is tarnished. National polls (they had already started to tighten after Iowa, and will Ms. Clinton's lead open up again)? How about fund raising (I hear that Obama's 4th quarter numbers will once again surpass Clinton's - but then again, this time yesterday I heard that he would win New Hampshire by double digits)?

First thoughts: Game on

Dot, Illinois — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:57:54 GMT

First thoughts: Game on

Scott, California — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:01:56 GMT

Isn't the campaign process about seeing how our candidates react under pressure:

Does Senator Clinton get a pass on this? She exploded when others dared to question her on Saturday night and then seemed to be overcome by the pressure of the campaign on Monday. Were either of the moments Presidential? Millions of Americans (men and women) are scratching their heads this morning.

I understand women are looking at this as the "hear us roar" moment of the campaign but did NH just shoot it's party in the foot? Most Americans did not react the way the "die-hards" in NH did to the two "big moments" of the past 4 days.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:03:51 GMT

Hey, cool. The Culinary Workers endorsed Obama anyway. I thought it was a little odd what was being reported - how their endorsement was dependent on another state's results. I'm disappointed the media got New Hampshire wrong, but glad the media got the Culinary Workers wrong.

First thoughts: Game on

jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:05:49 GMT

The Clinton Haters came out and made fun of her, after praising President GHWB for publicing sobbing his heart out over his son's political misfortunes.
Jan, Nashua, NH (Sent Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:47 AM)

Jan LOL....

There is a BIG difference between crying over a member of the family and crying over how your campaign is going....

But then again, Hillary seems to have always thought her campaign was more important then her family to begin with....

First thoughts: Game on

Looking for the Truth — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:07:33 GMT

Hey, hey, hoe, hoe who's laughing now. I guess the voters decided that the Media wasn't going to be the ones who decided for the people. No experience and a simple word "change" along with no one asking exactly what that means or what is he really for may be good enough for the media, but the people aren't going to let this guy go unchallenged. It’s about time someone said “where’s the beef”, and wait “I’m not letting an immature generation who base their unrealistic view of the world through the Colbert Report or John Stewart show decide the fate of this great country.

First thoughts: Game on

Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:09:08 GMT

I agree with the Clinton supporters about others (mostly the media, but supporters of opposing campaigns are guilty, too) that too much was made of the "great tearing." Get over it - it wasn't that bad.

I'm a little put off, however, by the seeming contradiction of this experienced candidate, with 35 years of trench battles, who is ready to lead on day one, even if al Qaeda were to attack again... just now "finding her voice."

That's kind of a head scratcher.

First thoughts: Game on

Evan Sloane, Boulder, CO — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:09:15 GMT

First thoughts: Game on

Paul, Annapols, MD — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:09:32 GMT

The Clintons used every dirty trick in the book, including tearing up, and it worked. Is Karl Rove runnign their campaign? Whether its Dem or Pub, its the same pile of ****.

I guess if you vote for her, you deserve what we'll all get stuck with, 4/8 more years of divisive, partisan politics.

Thanks New Hampshire. Thanks a lot.

First thoughts: Game on

Nora Iliadis. Woodland Hills — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:09:42 GMT

The media has crucified Hillary, Obama has also been very erogant to her..The "Your likable enough" and the "all she did was have tea" comments were very "Macho" and uncall fo- type comments and not only disrespectful to Mrs. Clinton but it truly demonstrated how he can treat women. Mrs. Clinton is the most experience and the most qualified. He talks about Hope and change. You need experience to bring change, you need experience to bring hopes to a reality! How can we possibly put our country in the hands of an inexperienced! After all this is our Nation's future. Our Country will be facing crucial challenging times and we need someone like Hillary to bring about the changes and make our hopes a reality. The media should give her some respect and give her a break!! it's time. Sean Hannity and Dick Morris are the worse!!!they have torn her down with no mercy and frankly it's just to much. There were no tears, but yes there was exhaustion and sorrow... Hillary will make it to the White House> why? She has experience, perserverance,conviction and has her heart and soul in this.

First thoughts: Game on

A Stunned Independent — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:09:53 GMT

New Hampshire: is the message that we're to reward the nasty, divisive, misleading trash politics that we saw in the past 48 hours from BOTH Hillary and Bill?

Is that what we still reward? It seemed as if we had a chance to see how the "Hillary and Bill" team would react under pressure. And what we saw was Rovian tactics (trying to scare people about Al Qaeda) and dissembling (Bill twisting Obama's record).

First thoughts: Game on

Pacheck, Huntington Beach, Ca. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:10:05 GMT

You gotta love it. The pundits, pollsters and armchair "experts" are irrevelent. The people have proven that they will vote their own mind and are not going to be hearded like goats.

First thoughts: Game on

Hillary 4 Prez — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:10:12 GMT

lmao, msnbc, the dumb and dumber crew of mathews and oberman, is crawling back to hillary, matt laur and brokaw are probably sending contrbuitions to Hillary now, this was total non professional reporting leading up to the vote ... now post this will ya Chuck

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Independent Voter in CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:11:58 GMT

Looking for the Truth,
I'm baffled. Was this how New Hampshire voted? To say, "don't tell US what to do. Stick it."

Doesn't seem to be the way to pick a President.

First thoughts: Game on

Tuck,Realityville,Ks — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:12:34 GMT

Clinton won because she's the best on the issues.

Why is it okay for first read to state tears counted and appealed to women, but not okay to say Barrack isn't black enough so he doesn't appeal to African-Americans?

First thoughts: Game on

Kathryn in Bham — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:12:40 GMT

I have to say that I was shocked to see a win for Hillary, as her entire campaign has changed its look, feel and approach. I shouldn't be, however, as she has played in to the hands of those of us asking to see who she is as a person. On so many fronts, from the 'Well that hurts my feelings' comment during Saturday nights' debate to the tears and the cell phone call to Bill, we have seen a whole new side of Billary. I would say that is EXACTLY what gave her an advantage at the eleventh hour. She knows well how to manipulate the thinking of the voters...she is a strong woman who did not learn recently how to appeal to the public! I think she must be reading our blogs, as she has several times played into our pleas.

First thoughts: Game on

David in Tallahassee — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:13:08 GMT

First thoughts: Game on

Rick, WS, NC — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:14:04 GMT

Who couldn't love mathews and olberman both sitting there with dumbfunded looks as their boy obama wasn't declared the immediate winner...what we have now is msnbc shilling for obama and fauxnews shilling for romney...great stuff

First thoughts: Game on

Blue state baby — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:14:26 GMT

The way Chris Matthews hates Hillary and runs his mouth he should be working for Fox.

First thoughts: Game on

Mike, New York — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:14:26 GMT

I hear folks saying Hilary won in New Hampshire because she, rather than Obama, won the votes of women. However, it looked to me like Obama got just about the same percentage of women in New Hampshire as he did in Iowa (35% vs 34%) -- is that correct? If so, it looks like the increase it women's votes for Hilary came at the expense of Edwards.

First thoughts: Game on

Stopwatchingfoxnews, Rochester, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:15:03 GMT

As for Hillary showing emotion and the press going crazy over it, where was the press when Mitt Romney teared up 3 times over the past two months? Talk about a double standard.

First thoughts: Game on

Barbara Mortson Ardmore, OK — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:16:59 GMT

I am so shocked that the state of New Hampshire fell for another Clinton lie. I have a six year old grandson that can cry on cue just like she did. The only thing that woman understands is how to lie. She will do anything and be cute for anyone who she thinks can do her some good. I truly believe we are ready for a woman president, I just pray it is not Hiliary. We have a wonderful chance to elect a man who see's good for our future. I hope we don't through this chance away just because Hiliary knows how to cry on cue.

First thoughts: Game on

redshift, spokane wa — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:17:45 GMT

The reason the polls and pundits got it "so wrong" is because of clowns like you: Todd, Murray,and Montanaro
Your job is to put out the facts. The readers and voters will make up their own minds. Don't give us your own spin and opinions on what is happening.

First thoughts: Game on

Lynette, NYC — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:18:14 GMT

she hasnt one the nod yet folks, just one battle, albeit a small one really. Its a race to the end, and either candidate we choose is a win for the democratic party.We get GWB out and back to Texas and we get either barack or hillary, either of which is better than W. Be proud. By the way, was there a GOP primary last night? oh yeah there was....

First thoughts: Game on

Greg, Wisc. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:19:30 GMT

Obviously it takes crying when things start to get tough to get people to vote for Hillary.Seriously John mcCain took enough of the independent votes from Barack Obama to give the pollsters a wake up call. independent voters went for McCain before and this should have been spotted long before the outcome last night.But the Ice Queen can't cover her facade with tears forever!

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Jersey Tomato, Metuchen, NJ — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:19:32 GMT

Hillary's not my first choice, but I was thrilled with her win last night. It represented a total repudiation of the media narrative that had gleefully declared her dead and buried. At a time when this country is wrestling with important economic and security issues, the press and the pollsters could find nothing more important to do than work out 20 years of personal animosity toward Bill and Hillary Clinton. Thus, all of the talk about Hillary's emotional demeanor, her cleavage, her pantsuits, her alleged propensity to clap like Chairman Mao, her shrillness and whether or not she sounds "like a stereotypical bitch" in the words of Chris Matthews. You add nothing of value, so the voters ignored you. The only question is whether you're smart enough to learn your lesson. Personally, I doubt it.

First thoughts: Game on

George Hagen, Flagstaff, AZ — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:19:58 GMT

I had forgotten that during Bill's "I did not have sex with that women" episode Hillary defended him with the "vast right wing conspiracy" comment.

Now, when Hillary was down, Bill was able to say "I love you" publicaly on his cell phone to her.

These folks know how to morph themselves into the form required at the moment to hold and retain power.

The question is will the public buy into the soap opera or are they at a stage where the want substance?

Only the future will tell...........

First thoughts: Game on

JJ Jax, FL — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:20:48 GMT

Congrats to Hillary, but like your supporters said before Tuesday night 'it ain't over till it's over'....

SEE, Hillary-lovers, it IS possible to accept minor defeats without blaming the system/voters/polls/media in the process!

OBAMA '08!

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Seed of Change, Philly — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:22:32 GMT

This is presidential election. We are not electing a preacher.

Hussain Obama will be shredded to pieces by same corporate media and republicans if he wins the nomination. They hate people who stand up to them and slap them in the face with help of people.

First thoughts: Game on

Gary Schear, Bozeman Montana — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:24:14 GMT

Looking for the Truth (Sent Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:07 AM)
"unrealistic view of the world?"

You just defined Project for the New American Century and the root of just about everything wrong with the current Administration and the precarious mess they will leave us in. You haven't had enough of the "grown-ups" yet?

First thoughts: Game on

Dee, Plano,TX — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:24:21 GMT

I don't even care anymore. After all the racist and xenophobic attacks against Barack Obama by rival "DEMOCRATS" or shall I say "Dixiecrats", if Hillary is the nominee, I'm voting for Huckabee or anyone on the Republican ticket. The Democratic party will be a party no more. This would be their third Presidential election loss.Sen Obama has made a name for himself, he has nothing to lose-
No one should be gloating at this point. A candidate needs to earn the party's nomination-
What Sen Clinton and her supporters don't understand is, if she wins the nomination ,WE, the rest of the Democratic Party are going to vote Republican, we hate her that much. What Sen Clinton easily forgets is this is the Primary Election, not the General Election.
Though I support Obama through the primaries, if Sen Clinton wins the primary, my vote and support will be needed by her. The same goes for all other supporters.
Remember Hillary supporters, you might need us, if Hillary wins. Also, Obama attracts a lot of independent voters to vote democrat, so if you treat us like dirt, those independent voters might stay home or Vote Republican on election day

First thoughts: Game on

Stopwatchingfoxnews, Rochester, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:25:12 GMT

Obama fans, can you answer me a question? I have yet to get a straight answer. Why did Obama vote "Present" on every bill that came up in the the Ill. Senate having to do with a woman's right to choose? I know one thing, Hillary would never vote "Present" on any woman's right to choose bill. Why would any Democrat vote for a person who doesn't have the conviction to vote for a bill concering a woman's right to choose? And the media wants to talk about Hillary Trianglelating? I'm serious, I would like an answer to that question and expect Hillary to bring it up over the next few weeks.

Also, why would any Democrat vote for Cheney's energy bill, that was written by Enron, like Obama did? You know the bill that gave billions of tax breaks to the oil companies. Hillary did not vote for it, for that reason. I have still yet to hear an explanation for that vote and why hasn't the media talked about that either?

You Obama fans can bring up her Iraq vote, we all know about that and I don't agree with that either. But Obama fans, please give me an explanation.

First thoughts: Game on

AP from IL — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:27:07 GMT

I feel the media played a big part in skewing this primary with their constant opinions and contrived narratives. If they had not built Obama up so much prior to this, a mere 3 point loss would not have seemed so disappointing. It is actually quite an amazing showing considering the Clinton's entrenched support in this state.

I am still 100% for Obama. Whatever sympathy I felt for Hillary would not have been enough to sway my vote, if that is actually what happened out there. I want someone new. I'm tired of theatrics, political maneuvering and people who are more concerned with their legacies, than their country. And don't give me the experience crap. I'm looking for character and class and so far I've only seen that in Obama.

First thoughts: Game on

Connie, Chicago — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:27:42 GMT

This election cycle is exciting..for the first time in a long time I can't wait for our primary Feb5.
Clinton is not a come back kid..seeing as she has held front runner status since she announced. Obama is scaring the crap out of the Clintons.
I will not vote for Clinton.I do believe America has more choices then two families (Bush/Clinton)..Haven't we had enough of this monopoly?.
Also a reminder to all those voting for Clinton..She is NOT Bill, she is not as charismatic nor is she as likable as her husband also she hasn't really done squat..Her touting her 35 year career of change..what specifics did she give? Oh yeah..her healthcare plan..we all know how successful that was!.If she does win the nomination you can sit back and watch the republicans defeat the democrats in the fall..
If America truly wants change then they must look to a different candidate other then Madam Clinton

First thoughts: Game on

vanreuter, NY NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:28:01 GMT

On my way home from NH, anything interesting happen here? lol It was WILD here last night! The first time a woman has ever won a presidential primary election, now THAT'S historic!

Van

First thoughts: Game on

KING OF SMEAR — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:28:03 GMT

WOW GIVE HER CREDIT A FAKE PHONE CALL FROM BILL WHO CHELSEA DOESNT HAVE HIS NUMBER

2 GUYS WITH HUGE SIGNS THAT SECURITY COULDNT MISS, THAT READ IRON MY SHIRTS HILLARY AND SHOUTED IT OUT AND HILLARY SAYING THE MALE CHAUVENTIST SHOWED UP LMAO

AND THE HOLLYWOOD CRYING ACT

GOOD LUCK OBAMA YOU RE UP AGAINST SOME IGNORANT GULLIBLE WOMEN BY WAY IM A REPUB TG

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Gary Schear, Bozeman Montana — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:28:28 GMT

redshift, spokane wa (Sent Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:17 AM)

It's called analysis. That is what they are paid for. You have always been free to take it or leave it. If you want some one to validate your own opinion find a mirror, a parrot, or a Fox "news" reader.
Ahccch! Polly wants a talking point! Ahccch!

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Jim Hayes, Havertown, Pa. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:30:18 GMT

This is the 1st time since I began voting that any of the three Democratic front runners are perfectly fine with me. I was leaning towards Mr. Edwards however after watching his vitreol towards Mrs. Clinton I am more than a little discouraged.Dems need unity to assure no more neocons in the White House. I have always been a Hardball fan but Chris Matthews obvious hatred for all things Clinton have forced me to change the channel more in the last month than in the last two years.

First thoughts: Game on

CitizenJ — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:30:34 GMT

Here is some advice I think we can all take after last night:

Polls mean absolutely nothing. Not in Iowa. Not in New Hampshire. And probably not anywhere else.

Congratulations to Senator Clinton. It appears this might be a close race after all.

First thoughts: Game on

Bill, Macomb MI — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:30:58 GMT

The famous quote by P.T. Barnum "There's a sucker born every minute" was never more evident than in the NH Democratic primary yesterday. The American public needs to remember the shame and humiliation the "Clintons" caused this country in 1998. The Republicans can only hope "the whatever way the wind is blowing" - "ever changing" chameleon Hillary continues to do well so the Republicans will have any decisive victory in November.

First thoughts: Game on

KING OF SMEAR — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:31:00 GMT

TO ALL DEMOCRATS IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE REPUBLICAN ADS IN THE ELECTION GO TO NO MORE HILLARY.CO, AND CLINTON S PARDONS AND CLINTONS SCANDALS IF YOU HAVE A STRONG STOMACH

First thoughts: Game on

Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:31:11 GMT

Here's why I think Hillary won New Hampshire.

I see this as a battle within the Democratic Party between those who want to try for a more adult, respectful tone in Washington and those who want to continue fighting the partisan trench wars.

If you look at New Hampshire over the last few decades from that perspective, the state's voters seem to prefer a more belligerent tone. Remember, this is the state Pat Buchanan carried with his "march to the sounds of the guns" line (yes I know that was the other party, but I think it may be a regional characteristic that crosses party lines).

New Hampshire results tend to contradict results from "Iowa nice."

That's not to say New Hampshire voters like ruthless, negative campaigns. But they do seem to reward the more fiery candidates. McCain's "straight talk" is a good fit. Note too how he ramped up his fiery aspects before the primary and then toned it down for the victory speech, which in reality is aimed at the rest of the country.

And from that perspective, if you're looking for a single incident that helped Clinton most, I suspect it was her flash of anger in the debates rather than the emotional moment the next day.

First thoughts: Game on

Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:31:51 GMT

First thoughts: Game on

Stopwatchingfoxnews, Rochester, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:32:17 GMT

I am a 41 year old lifelong democrat who is an Obama supporter. I didn't know that Hillary was the President, then Senator for 35 years, but that is what she is claiming. She also said she doesn't want the country to go backwards in her little teary eyed moment.I guess going back to the 90's is forward in her mind. I will not vote for her. If she is the Democratic candidate, I will stay home. If the choice is her or a republican, I don't see any difference.

I hate to see this stuff and it makes me wonder David, TN if you really are a lifelong Democrat. Why would you give up your right to vote and take away one less vote from the Democratic candidate and give an advantage to the republicans. Every vote counts. If you really are 41, then you would know that no candidate is perfect and going to give you everything you want, but I do know a Democrat in the presidency will keep the right from getting another facist Judge on the Supreme court. Wake up and grow up!

First thoughts: Game on

John B, Des Moines, IA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:32:28 GMT

I think when the postmortems are all done we'll find that a lot of the Undeclareds that were assumed to be voting for Obama instead voted for McCain. Since voters are more easily motivated to vote AGAINST a candidate than FOR one it probably says that the Republican field scares independent voters and they voted for McCain to try to head off Romney, Giuliani, or Huckabee in the general election. I also think the MSM works WAY too hard to tell a story that favors the candidate they like best personally and in the process tell a deceptive story of the campaign. The way Candy Crowley gushed over GW in the 2000 & 2004 campaigns was ridiculous, for example, and the story that GW was "the guy you'd like to have a beer with" was a media construct that became self-fulfilling prophecy. The margin for Clinton was still MUCH closer than was assumed a few weeks ago and clearly the Democratic race is wide open. I remain convinced this race is the Democrats to lose if any of the top 3 Dems gets the nomination.

First thoughts: Game on

Looking for the Truth — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:33:00 GMT

I'm happy to see how many are now realizing how much the media tries to infulence the election by either supporting their favorites (which changes like the wind) and attempts to destroy those who don't mirror their own political views. While many will point to Fox News erroneously as the network guilty of this it is becoming more obvious to those who aren't brain dead that MSNBC/NBC/Newsweek are the most guilty of trying to manipulate the American people based on their own political bias.

First thoughts: Game on

John, Columbus, OH — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:33:23 GMT

II didn't realized that MSNBC was biased until this election. Chris Matthews is saying the NH voter are racist and lairs and you Chuck are soo over your ego that now you are bashing the Clinton campaign. When are you guys going to give credit for this woman? Just face it, this women can take hundred punch and still can't be knocked out. Shame on you Chuck. When are you going to join Obama campaign?

First thoughts: Game on

Alan Siegel, Stamford, CT — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:34:01 GMT

We are still a divided nation. The Clinton-haters are playing the gender card negatively. Talk radio is saying the crying was staged. It IS going to come down to actual experience. Obama is a good man who needs more "seasoning". His turn will come, but not now. This is Hillary's time. You go girl!

First thoughts: Game on

Dumbfounded in Des Moines — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:35:18 GMT

New Hampshire had an extraordinary opportunity to send a resounding message to Washington that America is sick of lobbyist money controlling our government.

Instead, what did some voters do if reports (including self-reports from New Hampshire) this morning are correct?

Certain NH voters registered a "protest" vote against John Edwards' ganging up on her in the debate and Chris Matthews and the mainstream media for "daring to tell us what to think."

Well, you sure showed Chris Matthews but isn't this about electing a new leader of the free world?

First thoughts: Game on

Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:35:59 GMT

Todd, Murray, and Domenico. Just a quick thanks for all you do. You have the lightest touch, and always have. Don't mind the occasional Bozo, OK?

First thoughts: Game on

Sandeep, CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:36:25 GMT

Shadow,

Justt like you claim (and spin) that there were thousands of young youth voters who are kicking themselves now for not voting, similarly the fact is there are thousands of mature grown up intelligent rational logical voters in the age of 40-60 and above who didnt turn up to vote in Iowa. They are kicking themselves too.

Spin is easy and so is hypocrisy. Good to see as an Obama supporter, you excel in both.

First thoughts: Game on

JR, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:37:05 GMT

The pundits believe they can push the voters in one direction or another. Neither Iowa nor NH really represent the rest of the country. This is a stupid game to think these two states represent how the rest of the country will go. The sad shame of it all is that the media is really trying to influence the voter based on what they believe. Romney loses big and he is still in it, Rudy is no where, yet he is still in it. Obama is a head of Hillary by a very narrow margin in Iowa and all of a sudden she is supposed to be out of it. A different standard for Republicans and Dems. Edwards declares after Iowa it is now between him and Obama and then gets destroyed in NH. Any of the Dem candidates is better then the Bush wannabees. People forget the biggest challenge facing the new President is getting the dumb Republican congress to start acting for the middle class. Hillary is a better choice because she has been battling those jerks and making changes for years. I do not think that Obama ( although a good 2nd choice can really get congress to make changes.
Edwards and Obama want to put the "status quo" label on Hillary, because they need to scare us, that's a Repulican tactic, scare American to grab their vote.

Republican started the Hate Hillary campaign 8 years ago. Opp's they may have to start a Hate Obama campaign now, and you can bet they will, if he wins.

First thoughts: Game on

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:38:43 GMT

"...Given the Democratic/independent breakdown from last night -- per the exit polls, Obama defeated Clinton among indies, 41%-34%, but Clinton won the Dem vote, 45%-33%-- independents could very well determine the outcome on Feb. 5. Fifteen out of the 22 Democratic contests on that day are contests in which independents can potentially vote; only seven of them are closed to party members.
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A little cheerleading there, I see.
Independents were supposed to swing the primary in New Hampshire last night too.
How'd that work out, eh?
By the way, did Mathews buy a "fifth" after the broadcast last night, polish it off, then beat his wife when he got home?
GEEEEZus, I hope he doesn't turn into a serial killer when Hillary wins her next primary! I never saw anybody that angry with the result of an election they were reporting on. The man's going to have an aneurism if he isn't careful.
Your commentary in "First Thoughts," and the numbers from last night prove (once again) what I've been saying all along.
That, most of Hillary's support comes from registered, mainstream Democrats; while most of Obama's support comes from independents.
They may be able to swing a couple of primaries, and their votes are good to have, along with that of a party's "base" in any "general" election.
But, you cannot win an election with the independent vote representing a larger percentage of your support, than that of your own party's "base" of core voters. Obama's biggest problem in a "general" would-be right along those lines.
That, along with the offense taken by mainstream Democrats (such as myself) with the idea of having independents select our candidate for us, would probably cost Obama, and The Democratic Party the election in November. (Whether his supporters want to admit it or not.)
I think what we saw last night in New Hampshire reflects the attitude of the Democratic "base."
If independents are going to "stuff" the ballot box, then registered Democrats are probably going to come out in greater numbers too. You'll probably see record participation in The Democratic Primaries, and Caucuses from here on out. It's interesting to note that partisan voters won the day for Hillary.
Also, the woman came into play last night. 47% of them voted for Hillary. I think they've been waiting to see 'Hillary-be-Hillary' the way she was in the two days which preceeded the voting, and especially the way she presented herself in the debate Saturday night.
People are also starting to look at Obama much more closely than before. The biggest question we all have is, 'what is he going to change and how is going to change it?'
Nobody really knows. Because most of his speaches (even though they are recited with charm and charisma) contain rhetorical catch phrases, and 'buzz-words' that are delivered in cheerleading fashion.
In short, Obama talks well.
But, he lacks substance, and he talks at you...not with you.
In the end, the polling data was off by as much as 20%. Some said Hillary would lose by 17 points, instead she won by 3. A lot of voters said they hadn't made up their minds until just before they walked into the voting booths last night. Additionally, the younger vote, and the indpendents didn't push Obama over the top as expected. Partisans came out in equally large numbers and made the difference for Hillary. Don't be too surprised if that also happens in these other states where the indy's are supposed to make a difference.
But for today, I'm satisfied with Hillary's win last night, and I look forward to watching Obama supporters whine, cry, bitch, and moan about what happened. My wife and I have a bet going here, as to how many times the buzz words "cold," "calculating," "divisive," and "polarizing" will be used, and how many times (and how many different ways) the catch phrase "Hillary energizes conservatives to vote against Democrats" will be spun.
All things considered, it should be a fun day.

First thoughts: Game on

Sierra, SF — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:41:21 GMT

Question to liberal bloggers: Who is using the GOP talking points now ?

Answer: THE CLINTONS !!

I still think Obama has to be favored for the nomination....

If the Clinton's had to 'mischaracterize' (to quote Obama using a euphemism for lying) Obama's positions...... They've got NOTHING

If the Clinton's threw EVERYTHING THEY G=HAD AT OBAMA
They've got NOTHING

She WON'T WIN CALIFORNIA !!

It's a longer campaign, with a happy ending ....... OBAMA

Keep sniveling about the media, Clintonistas
It's verrrrrry appealing

Obama/Edwards '08

First thoughts: Game on

Kris, Keizer, OR — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:41:56 GMT

Hillary has never said she is the president like someone said here. All three of the top candidates say when they are president. All three of them use emotion to try to win over voters. Obama uses his blackness, Edwards uses families who have suffered medical tragedies and we heard constantly in the last debate how he felt things inside and deep and how personal everyuthing is. Okay, so Clinton showed a few tears. The difference is???? The Hillary haters are just that. There is a double-standard for the good ole' boys. If they something it is okay, if Hillary does the same thing she is called a manipulator or worse. Get over the gender bias. Vote for who you want, but stop the I Hate Hillary rhetoric. Oh yeh. For Bill in MI. Let's us remember what the Clinton's brought to this country. Sound economy, high norale in our country, respected by other countries, should I go own.

First thoughts: Game on

jbl in PA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:43:25 GMT

Wow, it was quite shocking to see the pundit from the Washington Post? on MSNBC pull out the race card when he realized Obama wasn't going to win. I know this guy is just another one of the normal leftwing hacks normally found on MSNBC but it was sad to see how quick it came back to "The white man is keeping me down" view still used so often by many racist minorities in an attempt to continue the race war - soo sad.

First thoughts: Game on

Rick,ky — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:44:43 GMT

75% of Democratic voter's yesterday, said, they were concerned about another Terror attack.Mrs. karl Rove on Monday said Exactly That.Mission Accomplished, Mrs. Karl Rove, you singlehandily put Fear into New Hampshire Democratic voter's. Mission Accomplished, Indeed!!!!!!!

First thoughts: Game on

JaniceM,Atlanta,GA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:44:47 GMT

The big loser was the media. With their poll results and snide comments. I was happy to see Hillary win for that reason along.The media thinks they can influrence the public and I realize that there are some who just sprout what they hear. I don't think that showing emotions got her the vote. Woman are much smarter than that. I think this shows that the media should stick to reporting the facts, and not what they think will happen or want to happen. Thank you NH for putting them in there place.

First thoughts: Game on

Stu Hyvonen, Saginaw, MI — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:45:04 GMT

I agree with "redshift"!

I'm really tired of NBC, MSNBC, and First Read bloggers Todd, Murray and Montanaro spinning the election news towards Obama and away from Clinton, et al, rather than simply reporting the facts and letting us do our individual spinning. I say this even though Hillary is not my first choice.

Once again, to First Read, please, PLEASE eschew your use of the "snarky" questions; for that matter, just eliminate your questions altogether.

First thoughts: Game on

JOHN ROGAN LONDON UK — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:46:40 GMT

maybe the great OBAMA should cry..a man crys he,s a wimp..a woman and its cool..NH is the "chicken state" not having the courage to back real change in Obama..a truly establishment & thus stupid state. Obama should be president if America is wise tho HILARY would be good too..anybody but those revolting Republiucans..a view from Europe n god bless AMERICA

First thoughts: Game on

Ed Mikulski, Daytona Beach, Florida — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:46:49 GMT

Who is the adviser who picked out Hillary's dress for her N.H. victory speech? You could make a joke about which of the "old Clinton guard" threw that thing out. Dress is important when trying to sway young voters.

First thoughts: Game on

Jack Sprat, Fat City, NV — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:47:24 GMT

Read This: New Hampshire Democratic Primary
Check out this website. http://ronrox.com/paulstats.php?party=DEMOCRATS It breaks down the number of votes to Machine counted vs hand counted. Notice how Clinton's votes are inflated with Machine votes and Obama's are deflated. This looks artificial and I think it is fraud. If they where not artificially inflated then the poll results would match the outcome from last nights primary. This needs to be exposed. I am just concerned that if this is happening in the primaries imagine what will happen in the general election.

And no I am not some crazed Ron Paul supporter. This is just the only website I found that breaks the data down so clearly. Personally I like Thompson.
Thanks.

First thoughts: Game on

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:48:05 GMT

"...I hear folks saying Hilary won in New Hampshire because she, rather than Obama, won the votes of women. However, it looked to me like Obama got just about the same percentage of women in New Hampshire as he did in Iowa (35% vs 34%) -- is that correct? If so, it looks like the increase it women's votes for Hilary came at the expense of Edwards. ..."
Mike, New York (Sent Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:14 AM)

Mike, the difference is that she got 47% of a female vote that was split between all the candidates. Obama supporters aren't likely to change midstream. But, if Edwards supporters are throwing in the towel so to speak, and giving their support to Hillary, it only strengthens her base.

First thoughts: Game on

MK,MO — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:48:53 GMT

pity is not a good reason to vote for a presidential candidate, new hampshire made themselves look ridiculous falling for the 'poor hillary' production, but I suspect that won't be a winning strategy elsewhere, obama and edwards best watch their back, hillary is capable of anything

First thoughts: Game on

HP Boston — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:48:56 GMT

And once again, it is just now becoming fun!

Mark Thieme (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 3:47 PM)

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Enjoy yourself Mark, as tomorrow I do believe Hillary and McCain will be the surprise in Obama's and Romney's eyes! Fun? Interesting? You betcha!
If not another day will surely dawn. As for change....
HP Boston (Sent Monday, January 07, 2008 4:17 PM)

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OH YES it does feel good to best the Mark Thieme!
It is good to be so much smarter than the talking heads, What's the weather outside today boys?
Rain? Snow? Sleet? Feeling swamped? Under the weather?
Hey not to worry you guys make big bucks making this stuff up.

First thoughts: Game on

Bob, Orlando — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:48:59 GMT

I think the media should concentrate on Brittney Spears and Paris Hilton and let the American people decide who will be president!

First thoughts: Game on

Cheryl Germer MN — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:49:07 GMT

Do tears Help? Ask George McGovern. Why is this even a relevant question? Is the showing of humanity instead of the cookie cutter campaigns of both sides a bad thing for this country? Who cares about the cost of haircuts and who eats hot dogs or tea with honey: Let's keep talking about infrastructure and the self-sustainablity of the country.

First thoughts: Game on

Jackie, California, CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:49:28 GMT

The thing that worries me most is still who is Obama? I heard his dad was sent back to Kenya for burial. That is not root to me or patriotic enough to be President of USA. He never talks about his mum and his whole clan seems to be still rootted to Kenya. Or if he is elected, will he be bringing his whole Kenya clan to US?

Talk is easy. We have seen results produced by Hillary Clinton. I have not heard anything done by Obama. He is a hot celebrity senator now but can he produced the results that he promised with his inexperience? Will be the the replica of Bush? I have not heard anything specific achieved by Obama, so that is my main worry. I can also talk at the podium, promise all things but can I deliver when given the task?

This is a country we are talking about, not just an organization. We really need experience to bring this country back to good stand.

First thoughts: Game on

HP Boston — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:49:47 GMT

First thoughts: Game on

disgusted,charlotte,NC — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:49:48 GMT

I am really scared for this country when poeople vote for a candidate to "spite" something or someone else. It is also disturbing that people respond to a candidates "outbursts" like Bill's whining and Hillary's tears. WAKE UP AMERICA, LISTEN, the only things you should be paying attention to are 1)- Is the candidate honest and do they have integrity, 2)- Can they matrix manage congress and 3) What are their plans for the issues and how realistic are their implementation plans. NONE of the candidates have experience as president. I don't care if they watched their husbands in that role they don't have any experience. Vote with your brains not your emotions, this is not your love life, it is the future of this country and your children's future. I always thought the best debate would be to have average ciitzens ask the questions in a debate and if the candidate danced around the issue call them on it and make them answer it.

First thoughts: Game on

Jesse, Burnsville, MN — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:50:12 GMT

Congratulations to Hillary. She needed a win and she got it. That being said, I think it was absolutely disgusting the way Bill tried to tear down a fellow Democrat (Obama) with lies and distortions yesterday. I truly hope that it didn't have any effect on the voting.

For me, if there is a candidate of hope or a candidate against hope, the candidate of hope will always be my choice. Especially since I had lost all hope over the past 7 years.

Keep fighting Obama. We will too!!!!

Obama '08

First thoughts: Game on

frank harling, saint louis, missouri — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:51:06 GMT

a pollster ask would you consider a black canidate. my answer is yes.i vote for my favorite and it's not obama i'm a liar and racist. the key word is CONSIDER.

First thoughts: Game on

JaniceM,Atlanta,GA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:51:35 GMT

Bill,Macom MI- the only shame I felt during that time was the amount of money spent on Clintons' Impeachment. I felt shame when we let Bush and his hoods steal the election,I felt shame when we went to war for oil and our standing in the world dropped, I feel shame for having a President is incompetent. Need I go on.

First thoughts: Game on

John — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:51:46 GMT

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Caryn, Saint Louis, MO — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:52:21 GMT

Yesterday my Aunt received the Obama is a Muslim e-mail from a Dem in CA. I am just wondering if there is some really dirty politics going on and where these e-mails are coming from? This is the type of politics most of us hate!

First thoughts: Game on

Pat Huntington NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:53:08 GMT

Does anybody else find the leading question that preceded Clinton's "spontaneous" tearing-up moment a bit suspicious? Didn't Clinton's campaign have a gaff not too long ago for planting a question from a staffer in the audience??
Evan Sloane, Boulder, CO (Sent Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:09 AM)

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Yours and all hillary hater's accusation that the question that prompted Hillary's emotional response, was from a plant was debunked this morning on the news. The woman was interviewed on NBC, and she said she attended both Obama and Hillary rallies, and while touched by Hillary, was moved to tears during Obama's speach, and thus, she VOTED FOR OBAMA! So as usually, the Hillary Hater accusations are proven baseless once again.

First thoughts: Game on

Madpauly, Madison, WI — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:53:15 GMT

Wow. 38% of NH decided in the last three days. Do some research. Your irresponsibility has ruined it for the rest of us who actually understand the issues and the candidate's take on them. You are like children picking teams for 4-square, letting popular opinion drive your choice rather than your own research. Hopefully the other states will have a more mature approach, or at least get informed before polluting the voting pool.

First thoughts: Game on

g.w.b., bring it on ! — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:53:23 GMT

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS OVER. SO LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

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Adam Hazleton Pa — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:53:49 GMT

I just watched an interview on msnbc of a Las Vegas bookmaker who took bets on last nights out come. I was suprized to hear he had Senator Clinton picked as the winner last night. When asked why he picked her he said she was the best candidate,if a woman ran for president with as little as two years experience she would be laughed out of that arena refering to Senator Obama. Maybe you people before picking winners in the political arena should check the odds in Vegas

First thoughts: Game on

Jesse, Burnsville, MN — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:53:52 GMT

Does anybody feel that this win by Hillary may have been at her own detriment? Don't get me wrong, a win is a win. But if she would have lost, she could have just skipped Nevada and South Carolina, which would have made their legitimacy virtually nothing. She could have then just focused on the big states on Feb. 5th.

Now, she must campaign in Nevada and South Carolina and if she were to lose those two states (not saying that she will), I think she will be in much worse shape in the Feb 5th states that if she would have been able to just skip these states.

I don't know, should be interesting.

First thoughts: Game on

dan — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:53:55 GMT

as for me, well, i am a 60 year old former marine and vietnam veteran and a formerly republican, but ever since what never transpired after 911 and watching the economy fail, i am a full supporter of hillary clinton.most americans have very short memories and forgot how the clinton administration creat a strong markets in our country and i do feel hillary does really care genuinely and sincerely, so who cares about the personal lifes anymore?

First thoughts: Game on

HP Boston — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:54:33 GMT

On my way home from NH, anything interesting happen here? lol It was WILD here last night! The first time a woman has ever won a presidential primary election, now THAT'S historic!

Van
vanreuter, NY NY (Sent Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:28 AM
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I never doubted for one minute that Hillary would win NH. People in NH have had their Republican roots shaken to the core these last 7 years. Once a red state it has become blue and as always fiercely independent.

First thoughts: Game on

John Doe, Seattle, WA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:55:18 GMT

So, if Hillary is having discussions with the Iranian leader, and things aren't gong her way, is she going to cry? That will really show USA's resolve.

First thoughts: Game on

Sierra, SF — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:56:00 GMT

First thoughts: Game on

Joan Chapman, Cheshire, Ct. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:56:56 GMT

To Susan in Annapolis - I completely agree with you.

After using her celebrity to become a Senator from New York, apparently now she feels entitled to move up to the Presidency. Entitled - that's her word. However I disagree - those 35 years of experience she talks about - she spent all those 35 years enabling Bill to get away with whatever he wanted.

So, yesterday she used an old trick "Crocodile Tears = Sympathy Votes" and it worked.

Let's make sure that no more of the Clinton tricks are successfull.

First thoughts: Game on

Ron NPR FL — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:56:58 GMT

Are we looking at a battle between Clinton and her army of women versus Obama and his army of independent crossover voting men?
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Depends--does the media intent to make it one? Is this reporting the news or editorializing?
Dot, Illinois (Sent Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:57 AM)

Great comment Dot. I have been saying that for 15 years now.

Its simple the media wants to produce the candidates for us, that is wrong. Please people vote for who you like do not listen to any of these pundints.

Question for all, why weren't there any early returns shown during the day on any network? That was the biggest joke, come on you and I know they had eary returns why weren't they posted?

John McCain 08

First thoughts: Game on

Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:56:58 GMT

I didn't know that Hillary was the President, then Senator for 35 years, but that is what she is claiming. She also said she doesn't want the country to go backwards in her little teary eyed moment.I guess going back to the 90's is forward in her mind. I will not vote for her. If she is the Democratic candidate, I will stay home. If the choice is her or a republican, I don't see any difference.
David in Tallahassee (Sent Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:13 AM)

Please cite to me specific portions of any speech Hillary Clinton has given in which she claims to be have been president. Also cite specific portions in which she claims to have been a Senator for 35 years.

I'll save you the trouble. She has done neither. What she has claimed is that she has been working for the public (in some form or another) for 35 years.

It does you and your candidate no favors when you flagrantly mischaracterize another candidate's statements.

First thoughts: Game on

Wufpakmom, Illinois — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:57:32 GMT

It would appear that "The Biggest Loser's" from last night are indeed, every commentator, consultant, pundit, polster, policy wonk, talking head and so-called political "expert" in the media. I say bravo to the people of New Hampshire for delivering a well-deserved smack in the eye to the mainstream media.

The American electorate are not stupid. We are more than capable of completing our own analysis and making our own decisions. By the grace of whatever, for the first time in decades Americans can make a choice from a field of incredibly talented candidates.

We do not need the media to do our thinking for us. How 'bout all of you just hush up for a while?

First thoughts: Game on

Shadow, Hamden, CT — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:57:36 GMT

Sandeep - It's not spin, it's demographics.

If I was spinning for Obama, instead of offering honest analysis, I would be lowering expectations for him and not raising them.

First thoughts: Game on

Pat Huntington NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:58:12 GMT

Hillary Won because she changed tactics - she started talking to the people, and actually answering their specific questions on the issues with specific answers.

Obama Lost because he stopped talking about the issues, and was suckered into the rhetorical I have a dream type of speach, with no real substance.

McCain Won because NH seems obsessed over him.

Romney Lost because NH is too smart to vote for this flip flopping used car sales man.

Huckabee Lost because he couldn't get all the Evengelicals in Iowa to move to NH in time to vote in that primary.

Guiliani Lost because well, today is not 9-11.

Thompson Lost because he's a gas bag.

And poor poor Gravel. He lost because who's Gravel?

First thoughts: Game on

Joshua Murphy, Las Vegas, NV — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:58:20 GMT

I can not believe her breakdown and her debate performance is what changed this. First, as for the debate, if she doesn't want to come off cold and exclusive then she needs to not act cold and exclusive. I've had an easier time getting into a George Bush event than a Hillary one!

As for the tears heard around the world, doesn't it bother any other Democrat that Hillary Clinton essentially threw her fellow Democrat Barack Obama under the bus by claiming that she is so emotionally invested in this campaign and just fears that by anyone else getting elected we would go in reverse.

Listen to her comments again if you don't believe me. This is why the Republicans have constantly beaten the Democrats. Because of candidates like Hillary who would rather use any tactic possible, she will divide her own side just to be the nominee. I would like to see one Republican candidate ever insinuate that any Democrat would be better as President than any of the Republicans currently running!

First thoughts: Game on

Amy — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:59:19 GMT

I have a little different theory than others here. I don't think the polls were so far off. I think the pre-primary polls were right in showing Obama in the lead, but that the huge lead showing for Obama (combined with the smaller one for McCain) caused a lot of independents who otherwise would have voted for Obama in the Democratic primary to cross over and bolster McCain instead. I also think some of the younger crowd might have stayed away thinking Obama had it won without them. Finally, I do think there's a beloved contrarian streak to the New Hampshire voters that caused some of them to go against what the polls were saying, and what Iowa did. I don't really think race played a big part in it (and I pray it didn't). Perhaps if the media and the polls hadn't been so exuberant the results would have been different.

First thoughts: Game on

Dot, Illinois — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:00:23 GMT

Polls mean absolutely nothing. Not in Iowa. Not in New Hampshire. And probably not anywhere else.

Congratulations to Senator Clinton. It appears this might be a close race after all.
CitizenJ (Sent Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:30 AM)
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Agree with your comment on the polls. I'm wondering if the "tearing up" incident really made a difference or if the Independents voted for McCain instead of Obama in NH, thereby lessening his totals.

First thoughts: Game on

Bob S. - Canton, OH — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:01:47 GMT

If there's one thing I know for sure, Hillary Clinton will lie, cheat and steal to get what she wants. And what she wants is power. She does not care about anyone but herself. The tears she shed the other day were so disingenuous I can't believe anyone bought it. What a bunch of fools that voted for her last night. A real shame. It shows how easily the public can be swayed by a really great liar and fake. Of course we already knew people were fools when they re-elected the greatest fake and liar of all, her husband.

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Donna Samatulski, Las Vegas, NV — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:03:09 GMT

My husband and I were appalled with the reporting by Chris Matthews last night. Needless to say, we were pleased with Tom Browkow's comments about responsible reporting. We are intelligent people. Just give us the information...we'll process that information and form our own opinions!! Wake up Chris..it's a new day!!!!

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Bob Kokomo IN — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:03:12 GMT

I have been an Edwards’s supporter from the start but last night I was cheering for Hillary not because of a dislike for Obama but because for 12 years I have listened to cowardly attacks and nasty attempts at humor inflicted on Senator Clinton by the Republican Party and now Democrats and the news media have jumped on board. Ask yourself why you don't like Hillary and listen to your answer with the B/S meter on and you will realize that you are just repeating crap spread by the Republicans. I prefer Edwards but I think all of the Democratic Candidates are qualified to be POTUS.

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H. Smith, Saratoga Springs NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:03:15 GMT

I think NH voters pretty much told the polsters what they wanted to hear and the media as usual, with no imagination becme obsessive. It is amazing what happens when a person gets in that voting booth..it truly is private and very personal.
I look forward to the race and hope the cable, and radio blah..blah.. blahers learn a lesson..the voters will choose.
By the way, I really thought Chris Matthews loved Hillary, he has been singing her praises since the day after George Bush was reelected.
From my point of view Hillary is a part of the past and not a good choice. I can't imagine having to listen to the tiresome Clinton rails for the next 4 years

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SoCal for Edwards — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:03:21 GMT

Obama-25 delegates, Clinton-24 delegates, Edwards-18 delegates. How is Edwards the biggest loser? He is seven behind the lead and 48 more states to go. It was shown last night that the pundits do not know everything. This will inspire people who's first choice is Edwards to continue to support him and not let either of the other to candidates to get 50% of the delegates need and claim victory. Force it to be settled at the Democratic National Convention. One thing is for sure, Edwards says he won't give up, his supporters should not either.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:03:40 GMT

*** Pulling out all the stops: "To win, however, Team Clinton pulled out all the stops: calling Obama a flip-flopper on Iraq and the Patriot Act, accusing Obama in a mailer of wanting to raise a trillion dollars in Social Security taxes, and playing the 9/11 card. (Question to liberal bloggers: Who is using the GOP talking points now?)..."

Ah, I guess there's little doubt that comment was aimed at me, is there?
In response I would say that "what's good for the goose, is good for the gander." Obama used a Neo-Con mantra on Hillary, she used one back at him
Touche'
However, there's a huge difference in the way Hillary framed her comments, and the way others like, say, Dick Cheney & Rudy Giuliani have talked about 911.
Both Cheney and Giuliani openly stated we'd get attacked if Democrats win elections. Hillary didn't say the enemy was about to attack, or that we'd be attacked if Obama won.
She simply said that, as Presdient, you have to be ready in case something happens. That falls in line with her "ready from day one" thesis. I don't think anyone outside of this board thought of that as using 911 to scare up votes.
By the way, Obama said that BEFORE Hillary made those comments, too.
So when I heard him say it again last night, I thought more of him jabbing at Republicans, than I did of him retaliating towards Hillary, and I think most people took it that way too.

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PM, Silver Spring MD — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:03:59 GMT

You and all the rest of media can talk only about the tears -- but you forget (or deliberately not mention) what she was saying when her voice cracked. If those words and intensity of it did not move you to understand why she is doing what she is doing and why she has been in public service, your humanity needs to be questioned. But fortunately this is still a democracy and individual citizens have the biggest say and they saw the real deal.

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Margaret, Waterloo, Ia — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:04:18 GMT

Does anyone remember Howard Dean? The stunt pulled by Hillary yesterday was just as bad. Tearing up to sway voters is dispicable. The new leader of the free world can't be weak and wishy washy. By displaying that kind of emotion justs proves to me that she's not ready to be the President. Don't get me wrong displaying emotion is fine in deamable circumstances, but not this one. We need a strong leader who can handle anything without breaking down emotionally. I'm sure the leaders of other nations will just love it if we get a weak leader like Hillary in office.

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Keely, SLC, Utah — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:05:16 GMT

I just want to second Susan from Annapolis, MD comments regarding Hillary. I am a professional woman who is sick and tired of the oligolopy of the Bush and Clinton's running our country for the last 20 years. I don't care if Hillary is a woman, she does not represent myself or my views. Despite what she says, she has way too many ties to lobbyists and corporations to ever make a true change to Washington and to the perception of the United States to the rest of the world. While it is noted that Obama does lack experience, I believe that the ideal of national unity, true change from politics as usual and the involvement of young people will propel Obama to ultimate victory. Furthermore, I look at Obama as a modern day Abraham Lincoln; he will move our elected officials to cooperate, diffuse the scare tactics currently being used in Washington and redefine how the political sphere is run in this country.
p.s. I just received an e-mail from a conservative relative stating over and over about how Obama is a Muslim, his mother an atheist, and that if elected, he will turn our country over to terrorists. Last time I checked, this country was founded by immigrants, and this type of closed minded generalization and assumption are what bring this nation down. Is it too difficult to accept a well educated, well spoken, motivated individual who clearly loves this country because he is not old, white and full of family riches?

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HP Boston — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:05:30 GMT

This Election has always been about the lack of a Woman's Voice in leading the Country. If you don't think a majority of Women resent even the slightest hint of Misogyny among the Candidates, the Media, the Co-Worker, the Man sitting across from them at breakfast, you are wrong. All the Candidates are talking Change. Hillary is the Change that none of the others can offer. If she is elected and gets this Country back on track, we might not see another Man elected for a long time. Sisterhood IS Powerful, whether people deny that or not. Just an Independent Observation
Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa (Sent Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:31 AM)

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WOW! Awesome observation Steve. Can you come and speak at my next Women Lib group? Hey the good part is we won't cry but be aware (YOU WILL BE) we do not wear bras, yep burnt the suckers.
Well can you make it?

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DM. LA, CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:07:38 GMT

The tears helped.....

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K., Austin — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:07:58 GMT

For all the jostling from states trying to be first or one of the early states, both races could very well come down to the Texas primary on March 4th. I thought that for the republican side even before the Iowa caucuses.

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mike oh — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:07:58 GMT

I didn't read this as a 'sympathy vote', although I think there were more than enough people angry at the almost personal meanness the press has been throwing at her lately.

I think she's turned a very important corner. In poll after poll, she wins hands down over Obama on experience and readiness for the job. The majority of voters does not question her competence, but they have questioned her motives. I think with the 'choking up' moment, it was more than sympathy, it was empathy, to hear her talk about 'sliding backwards' in such an emotional way I think the whole 'inevitability, I'm a Clinton I deserve the Whitehouse' thing fell apart. I think people saw the real reason she decided to run, something they hadn't seen before, and suddenly they had a choice not between their heads and their hearts, but could feel comfortable with both.

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Prior, Elk Grove, CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:08:05 GMT

Basically, polls suck - they are a fabrication. The media was saying a few years ago that Kerry would win, he was ahead and had all of Hollywood behind him, etc. I also believe a woman should not lead our country and I am a woman. 'Crying' is ridiculous and she looked weak. We need to all be praying now for our future leader.

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Al, KS — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:08:07 GMT

It seemed clear last night that Edwards plans to stay around...forever. As I watched the votes come in and looked at Edwards constantly at 17%, I could only think, "What a waste". After IA, and NH and all of the ups and downs in this race, I don't pretent to know who would pick up the Edwards vote if he dropped out. I just think it's time for him to go. Which ever way his votes break, so be it, but I would surely like this to get down to a real contest between Hillary and Obama. Keeping that 15-20% on the sidelines, just hoping to get into the game, and wondering what they will do if they ever get in, is just not a good thing right now. I am an Obama supporter, but I will probably be able to hold my nose and vote for Clinton in the fall. But I want a true winner. I want to know where that sideline vote goes. It's time to choose between the two front runners, and, John, while I commend your spirit and your passion, please back out gracefully and let the voters unify the party under one banner.

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D. Deal — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:08:12 GMT

I am concerned that the Eastern Cultures (Middle East, Asia, etc,) will not accept Hillary as a leader. IE: Tears do not a leader make. They show weakness and the Asian leaders will distain her....poor foreign policy for the world.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:09:37 GMT

A bit testy today, aren't we, Sierra?

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Iron Horse — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:09:42 GMT

Hilary Clinton received ONE more nomination vote than Barrack Obama... Hardly a stunning endorsement!

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Lynn, Tupelo, MS — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:12:11 GMT

I am so tired of the ridiculous generalizations about who will vote for whom. I am a professional Democratic woman. I'm also a Southerner stuck in a very red state. My vote will go to Barack Obama, even though our primary race won't count for much. OK, so I'm not that far out of his demographic, but I won't vote for Hillary simply because she is a woman.

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Joanna, CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:13:13 GMT

I can't believe some women can be such idiots and suckers. At one moment, Hillary claims to be a strong woman, a feminist type, working to show everyone how great women can be. The next minute, she's crying because she's under so much pressure. She's acting like it's "unfair" to be attacked by two men, because she's -just- a woman! It makes me sick!

You think any of the Republicans are crying because of the stress, because, at any one time, at least one of them are being attacked by 2-3 men? You didn't see Obama cry when all the candidates called him "naive and inexperienced" over his Pakistan comments a few months ago (comments Edwards and Clinton seemed to all of a sudden agree with at the New Hamsphire debate, since Obama turned out to be CORRECT again). You didn't see Edwards cry because Clinton and Obama pointed out his lobbyist ties. You didn't see Biden or Dodd cry when they left the race. And most importantly, you didn't see -Hillary- cry at one of her long-time best friend's FUNERALS! All of a sudden, she plays the "just a woman, I have to cry" card when she's down. She played it for the first time EVER as a matter of fact. She didn't cry when her husband cheated on her for the 4th time! But her losing, that's a "cry" moment? Give me a break! Women have the ability to be president. We don't need to prove that point by elected the WRONG ONE! Ugh!

Maybe I'll go cry over her winning... maybe that'll convince everyone how deceptive she is!

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JackDerry, Derry, NH — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:13:15 GMT

Tears? Everybody cries, sometimes. No, for me it was anger. Anger that Edwards and Obama made eye contact during the debate, seemed to agree without words about an attack strategy, and then Edwards tried to beat the crap out of Hillary. He was guilty of an act of comission, Obama an actr of omission. Both were condecending, both were dismissive. Both acted like the bully boys on the playground. And I am a 50+ year old male. I voted in anger as both these guys represented the worst of what we have to offer. Tears? Everybody cries, sometimes.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:13:47 GMT

Rick....wrong. Most primary voters in NH actually said their main concern was for the economy.
So much for your attempt to smear Hillary this time.

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Deb, Lewisville, TX — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:13:59 GMT

full disclosure: I'm an Obama supporter. That said, the Clintons did what the Clintons do best - play dirty. That's why I'm a woman who doesn't support Hillary. I did see that some could be swayed by her "human" moments in the last hours before the NH primaries. The tactics are effective but they are the tactics of antagonism, not unity. Want to keep Washington in gridlock? Vote for Hillary.

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Nashville_fan — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:14:27 GMT

So good to see the Hillary supporters back on the blog - for a while it seemed you had lost faith in your candidate! Remember, anything worth having is worth FIGHTING for! :)

That being said, sometimes I wonder if Senator Clinton's willingness to hit WAY below the belt will be her undoing in the end. Time will tell . . .

Obama '08

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T Bone — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:15:10 GMT

I lived in NH (Nashua)for 20 years,my parents still live there, am white and loved my time there. I can't believe that ANYONE who lives in NH wouldn't be willing to admit that RACE cost Obama the election. NH from just above Concord on up is full of racists and to discount this is simply not to admit the "dirty little NH secret".There's a reason why NH is one of the whitest states in the country.

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cassy j — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:15:41 GMT

Hilary's tearful moment did wonders for her, and whether it was real or planned, it worked to her advantage. The polls may have been off but they weren't that off - afterall, she didn't win by much. I have never like Hilary Clinton. Her sense of entitlement because of her long standing political history as well as who her husband is, is what put her on the defensive when she lost in Iowa. Her nasty attitude towards the other candidates as well as her husband's incinuation that voting for Obama is a "fairytale" only made me dislike both of them even more.

If she wins the nomination, I will either vote republican or stay home. There's no way I can vote for her and still sleep at night.

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Natasha B, New Haven, CT — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:15:51 GMT

For those idiots saying that Hilary won because of the issues, Hilary herself has admitted that there is virtually no difference between Obama's and her positions on any of the major issues except a philosophical difference about mandating adult healthcare (they are the same about kids), a difference about speaking to foreign leaders and a difference on how to fix social security.

Interestingly, Obama has "brought the beef" about his social security position while Hilary has refused to get into specifics. Where's her "beef"? She has been asked about this and speaks for five minutes without really saying anything meaningful.

So all those trumping Hilary's superiority on the issues, give me a break!!! If you ask me, what's likely to happen is:

(1) Obama is more likely to build a working coalition of dems/repubs to actually get things done. Hilary will be divisive and she is already stirring up the Republicans everytime she brags about having beaten the Republican machine.

(2) Her "grassroots" support is the traditional Dem establishment and she's massively funded by lobbyists and special interest groups...the same folks who torpedoed her healthcare efforts in the nineties. There are favors to be returned...business as usual...same old Washington if she gets in...expect little progress unless you have a lobbyist in your corner.

The folks at Fox must be chomping at the bit as a Hilary presidency will give them plenty of fodder to boost up their ratings.

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Ken O'Brien, Tampa, FL — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:15:53 GMT

I find it very interesting that the press is not highlighting the amount of old Democratic cronies that are working behind the scenes in the Clinton campaign. For someone is promoting change, she seems to be carrying alot the old guard with her.

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Leslie, Lawrenceburg, Indiana — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:16:01 GMT

Well, as far as I know Hillary and Obama are not the only 2 in the race. I am tired of hearing about them just because 2 states have voted. When everyone gets a clue and pays attention to the issues that impact working class Americans, they will realize that John Edwards is the only candidate that offers anything other than rhetoric. Some say Edwards is angry; I think he's passionate. Edwards in 08!!!

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Doug Bond, Grants, NM — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:48:44 GMT

No surprise! I told my wife Monday that Andrea Mitchell should be muzzled after the obvious personal bias/dislike apparent in her comments about Bill Clinton's "over the top" defense of Hillary, and sarcastic evaluation of her "tearful" comments. I thought BC was funny, poignant and at the time believed she had grossly misread the impact of both episodes on HC's campaign. Although I believe Obama would also be an excellent Democratic choice (Edwards too), he has not yet been anointed. Borrow a spatula, scrape the egg off your faces, search for good crow recipes, tranq yourselves and let us do our job as the electorate please!

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Demodrama, MO — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:49:25 GMT

I have never loved politics as much as I do now. As much as I'd like to buy into Hilary's emotional choke up as genuine, I think those "almost tears" don't line up to what she said. They more indicate how pissed she is going to be if Obama comes out on top. "I mean can't you see what is happening America? Obama might beat me!" And for the record, New Hampshire didn't exactly say "NO-bama!". According to the results this wasn't exactly a landslide for clinton. Check the stats at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21660914#NH. 39% for Clinton and 36% for Obama. Both won 9 delegates.

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Sally, San Jose, CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:53:46 GMT

New Hampshire is not alone in rejecting media assumptions of who they want. Neither has New Hampshire cornered the market of reasoned thinking.
Shame on the many MSM pundits who declare, as O'Donnell did last night on MSNBC, that based on the voting in only two small states, there remain only two choices for Democrats. Wait to hear the opinions of us in the other 48 states.
Sen. Clinton still has not articulated the supposed experience she claims that makes her superior. Lots of senators have accomplishments and lots have traveled and met heads of state. That doesn't translate into having the best Presidential leadership personality, or into invigorating a disaffected electorate.
The best is yet to come.

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Jaime R. Gastonia, n.c — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:45:36 GMT

A democrat household of three who has decided no matter what we will not vote for Hillary. What a grand leader we have in Mrs. Clinton she and that campaign was falling apart then they got the surprise and won now is all good again apparently. The Democratic leader is supposed to be Bill, what kind of leader serves as an attack dog against his own party.

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squintz, philly, pa — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:47:14 GMT

Goodness me! I thought the teeth would come out today! Ha ha, as an Obama supporter, I'll verify right now that I think this narrow loss wasn't such a bad thing. Inevitability is OBVIOUSLY not a good theme among the electorate now, and Obama certainly didn't want that mantle. And, if she lost, she'd have fired ol' Jabba the Penn and then the campaign might improve!
Also, to all of you sexist losers, the crying didn't win it for Clinton, I imagine her new "underdog" status did. Obama said it best this morning on GMA, the voters don't want to make this easy for anyone. And there's nothing wrong with that!
Obama's concession, by the way, was so much classier than Clinton's last week. And I'll bet there won't be as many excuses and anger as there was from Clinton's following their loss. That's what I still am struggling with, they hadn't even LOST NH yet, they weren't even GOING TO and yet the panicked conspiracy theories and unstatesmenlike behavior came out right away... That is not the reaction of a confident politician, that is the reaction of the self-absorbed. I don't care WHAT John Edwards says, leadership is not personal, and it is obviously all about the Clintons. Obama doesn't even have his NAME on his banner.
His message continues to dictate this race, and he will prevail. Obamaramanation is fired up now, all right!
Oh, and the MSM should relax. Obama doesn't want to date you, Chris Matthews. Ha ha, their cheerleading is pathetic, even when it's for the candidate you like!

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Annie R., Las Vegas, NV — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:48:15 GMT

Boy, Hillary really had her hat handed to her after the first caucus, and when the hard exterior shell cracked and her emotions flowed, she showed her male, hard-core nay-sayers that under the hard pressures of our commander in chief, a woman could and might actually break down and turn into a cry baby. She may not be able to hide that lump in her throat that will obviously come up with the pressures of running our country. She was shown that some (hopefully most) of the country does not want another Clinton back in control (as I and others feel it would be her husband calling the shots, whenever he got done roaming the halls playing with the interns). But seriously, I have been a Republican my whole adult life, and have just now registered Democrat for the first time because I AM READY FOR CHANGE, and I think a GREAT ticket would be EDWARDS/OBAMA. Bush/Clinton back to back era of ignorance and destruction and ignoring us, the people who they work for and what we need and want is OVER. She keeps referring to her experience. PEOPLE, please answer me if you can, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, has she ever done, meaning, what programs, etc, has she ever put into place, fixing anything, that are still up & running today. Nada, zip,???? Please do not throw our country under the bus yet again. Change, everyone is throwing this word around, well change means just that CHANGE YOUR VOTE, let's go in a completely different direction with people who have not been in there before, even as wife of the....... God Bless Our Country , signed a first time Democrat, hopeful!

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Trey — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:48:56 GMT

My problem with Clinton is the double standard women give her. Hillary was the wife of a president and the wife of a governor. She was never elected to either office so how is she experienced. Can I put on my resume that I taught for two years since my wife is a teacher? If my wife is a General can I claim to have experience in executive military leadership? Without claiming her husband’s experience Clinton is nothing more than a second term Senator with little more real experience than Obama.

Anyone but Hillary 08.

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Trey, Indianapolis, IN. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:49:29 GMT

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Walter, Fayetteville, NC — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:54:42 GMT

I must agree with many of you who question the sincerity of Hilary Clinton’s action in NH. I saw the same tricks employed by the GOP, use by the Clintons. What really gets my goat is the victory speech. Barak came from the heart, or at least took time enough to remember what he was going to say. Hilary could not hold her head up for an entire sentence. How could someone that is so in tune and so sensitive to what this country needs, not even think enough of us to write her own speech.

Please don't let us be fooled into shooting ourselves in the foot. Don't let what her husband did as president be her representation for or basis of experience.

Be judicious in picking the next representative of this country.

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Greg Murray, Detroit — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:56:19 GMT

To all you black folks who are lovin' on the clintons:

Please remember that it was Bill Clinton that allowed the three strikes law to go into affect---affecting hundreds of thousands of black males--it was Clinton that allowed crack cocaine to be treated more seriously than powder cocaine--affecting hundreds of thousands of black males---It was Clinton who sat on his hands during Somalia, Rwanda, and Dufar---it was Clinton who sent manufacturing jobs overseas through his NAFTA treaty--it was Clinton who began conspiring on the black vote for his woman when he set up that office in Harlem---black folk in Arkansas don't think he did much for them when he was Governor, and all Hillary has done is been a professional wife for 35 years...but we love her anyway? Pleeeeeesssss!

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Francis Crosby, Columbus Georgia — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:57:28 GMT

OMG!!

Iowa Primary, Hillary is gut shot.

"Sucking Crow," whining, and blaming others, or is it lesson(s) of betting all, "against," a gut shot draw?

The Media got it wrong... so now "the media" wants to play the race card, to justify a colossal misjudgment. MSNBC First Read, is almost apologetically telling it's readers. "It's those pesky women, yup, they done did it to us... It's all their fault, they played the sexist card, if those women would have just stayed home, (and not voted like they shoulda.) Then everything MSNBC, Fox, and CNN, said, would have come true, just like "they" said it was a gonna be, and should be...

Well guess what? **SHE BEAT YOU ALL** with your polls, your bright lights, and all your expert pundits. Since the presidential campaign has officially "kicked" off, the media and the pundits officially "kicked" Hillary. She has been ransacked, savaged, attacked, ridiculed, kicked, punched, spit on, I'll spare a more visceral aspect of another bodily function, that they have done to her... The viciousness that the media has gone after Hillary with, is really unparalleled in any presidential campaign in my memory. Just the day before and the day of the actual primary, "media pundits" were busy writing her obituary. Even Chris Matthews gave her a hug, as if to say, too bad old girl, I know you wanted it, but you can't come up, his reference to the crypt... And then the loving farewell pinch on the cheek he gave her, which was meant to say, "well, we won't have Hillary Clinton to kick around anymore." But in my mind it was every bit as sweet when Chris Matthews asked Tom Brokaw, what he should do about getting it all wrong, and Tom Brokaw, told him that he needed to shut up, get out of the way, and put away the "crystal ball," and let people make up their own minds...

In the battles of old, being "gut shot" almost always meant certain death, and often a slow very painful one at that. In gambling with "playing cards" it means, trying to draw a card on the inside to make a straight, and, playing that hand, adds more drama and greater risk, of not "drawing" the card one needs. For those of you who know this, sorry for regression, but it does lend itself well to what Barny Fife, would call a "Situation."

In the battle for, and subsequent loss, in Iowa, the media/pundits said Hillary was gut shot. They meant it in the fatal way, that she would now stagger bleeding into New Hampshire, and the inevitable death of being "gut shot" was surely soon to follow. and pretty much (all) the media networks/pundits grabbed their chisels and hammers and started clinking out her "head stone." and oh what a chorus of "clinks" it was... And they continued.. even in the face of the actual numbers coming back from voters on the night of the New Hampshire primary. At fifty percent of the vote *counted,* CNN, kept pointing to a couple of spots on the New Hampshire map, that had not yet come in that was going to "propeller" Obama, to his double digit lead, that "the media" were all salivating for.

Shame on you media/pundits, even in the face of "real" numbers you still have to be right. Well many of out here, know, that you are NOT RIGHT, a lot of the time. We are not all lemmings who march blindly behind one another, we are much smarter than you give us credit for. Now poor ole Chris Matthews and his puppy, Tucker, are saying the no body knew, that not even the Clinton's or anyone else. For many of you "pseudo intellectuals" out there, let me help you with the concept of what a battle or fight is.... When Gladiators get in the fight it's win or lose, life or death. It's the same in a boxing ring, tennis match, or even a spelling contest for that matter. They all come to the "battle field" to win, and there are times when they win even against great odds. But they win just the same, and the reason they win is because they (showed up and fought like hell,) they don't give up!! Do you media/pundit easy chair warriors get it?? Nothing, I repeat nothing, was conceded to the Hillary camp, they won because they fought like hell... The Obama, camp swords drawn and swinging, lost the battle.... Get it!!! You can point to the Indies, Oies, and the Xies, to try and shore "Yourselves" up, as to why you did not get it exactly right. The reason, the only reason you did not get it right is because, Hillary, and her camp, came to win. Dear arm chair pundits, when one draws his sword and step into the arena, one listens to oneself, not the crowd, not the nay Sayers, and certainly not arm chair pundits.

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Flmagic Orlando, Florida — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:58:11 GMT

WOW...It seems that some people don't get it. It did/does seem that Hillary is the only one getting the grilling here til she brought it up in the debate. Yes, I agree Obama is charismatic and a great orator and even a motivator BUT let's vet him out, see if there's any substance behind it. Didn't alot of the country take a chance on a guy who you want to have a beer with with no experience. Ummmm....where did that leave us? I concur any Democrat should win the White House. I think that any of the Reps running will be pretty close to a 100% continuation of GWB 'cept maybe Ron Paul or Huckabee but that's not gonna happen. Let's be smart and pragmatic about our choice...not fired up like we're going to a rock concert this is OUR COUNTRY that we'd like to get back!!!!!

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cheryl bentley san antonio texas — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:00:25 GMT

How fishy that Hillary won after Carvel and Belaga (sp?) came on board. If you can't win honestly, a little help from the unethical staff of Bill Clinton's campaign will come to the rescue. Let's call for an investigation of voter fraud.

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Drew, New Lenox, IL — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:01:13 GMT

If you cry hard enough, you, too, can be president.
Genius political stunt.

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Caroline, Bethesda, MD — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:02:55 GMT

First Read - I sent a post in around 11:20 am - still hasn't shown up. How come???

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Doctaj — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:06:07 GMT

King of Smear Got it RIGHT!
It was like a page out of the planted falsified records of Bush's Military service - who's kidding who - Rove planted them! Brilliant move on the Dems.
The guys with the shirts - too obvious!
The tears - twofold problem: if real, she better get on track, that won't hold up in the world slugfest of international politics; if false, just more Hillary manipulation of women. Don't think for a minute the U.S. isn't sexist enough to play "poor Hillary" when Edwards delivered the point! If a MAN had become unraveled - he'd be history (point - Dean!).

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Shotti Kawlra,Potomac, MD. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:06:39 GMT

SO HOW DID THE POLLS GET IT SO WRONG?

Like many other comments, I would like to add that voters got very tired of the piling on by the media and specifically Chris Mathews and his gang. Late last night some one who has the credibility that nobody at NBC possesses today, Tom Brokaw lectured Chris not to rush to judgement prematurely.

Several reasons have being given in this First Read segement as to why the polls were so wrong. Some of them seem accurate and other appears to be wrong, but once again an important reason was omitted. People just got tired of media's extreme bias against Hillary. By now the whole world knows what Mathews would have liked. I also do not buy Eugene Robinson effort to incite black voters in South Caroline by suggesting that it could be the race factor. Come on! What happened to the race factor in Iowa?

Chris: Please allow everyone on your show to voice their opinions. Don't shout them down. You, Tucker, Russert, Fineman and others need to play fair. I was happy to hear Joe Scarborough finally came around to accept the reality this morning. I just don't know for how long.

Tom Brokaw: Please tell these guys not to elect presidents. Voters vote and journalists report honestly and fairly.

Finally, CONGRATULATIONS to Hillary and her team for this wonderful victory. It is true that folks were carried away with Obama's speeches, but Hillary is tested, experienced and has worked with the Democrats and Republicans for the good of the country. At least this time the system worked.
Shotti

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Mike K, Denver — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:07:11 GMT

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Trojan--North Hills, CA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:07:52 GMT

Anyone objectively looking at the NH DEM results (voting in private) and the Iowa results (declaring support out in the open)and NOT remembering "Governor Tom Bradley" after renown CA Pollster Mervyn Field called the '82 Gubernatorial election for Bradley on election night-----is "colorblind" and clueless.

30 years ago, buses were burned and overturned in response to busing (Boston) and today, the liberal bigots still exist in New England

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VJ Hinrickson Omaha NE — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:09:01 GMT

As a life-long Democrat, I have watched a lot or primary wins and losses. And I found last night to be exciting and good for us. Primaries are not to crown the candidates but for them to prove to us that they can win votes from fellow citizens--not just in one or two states, but all over this country. Having been reading the posts, I have been seeing the usual vitriolic posts about the Clinton's--planting the "crying" question, vicious attacks on Obama, etc. According to CNN, the question was asked by someone who voted for Obama. And, when Obama and Edwards question her record that's fine but why cannot she ask about theirs. And, by the way, why don't the press do their job and question them, too? From the speeches by the 3 candidates after the voting last night, all 3 of them want pretty much the same thing--the differences is how to go about getting them. I can promise you anything, but if I don't have the knowledge or experience to help me obtain my goals, I'm going to fail both of us. I have been around long enough to know that it takes more than promises and stirring speeches to run this country. When Obama has been around long enough to build up some actual experience in the Senate and in Washington and foreign affairs, he is going to be a wonderful leader. But he's not ready for it yet!

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Is this Feminism?, Indianapolis, IN — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:11:36 GMT

For all the women claiming that it would be historic if Hillary were elected President; this is what you are teaching my daughter!! "If you want to be president first you have to be born to an elite family (The Rodham’s). Next you have to marry a man who will become President; ignore all his infidelities while putting your career on hold; UNTIL HE becomes President. Then, after your HUSBAND is no longer president you ride his coat tails to Senate seat.” Is this the feminist movement? Is this truly what you want me to tell my daughter, that she can only be president if her husband was President. Have feminists fallen so far that you Vote for a women even if she got the job because of her husband? So, should I vote for Betty Ford; she did have Four years of Presidential experience after all? Or is it you only have Presidential experience if your Husband was popular? Just remember that the only thing the Clinton’s brought was Welfare Reform, NAFTA, and a failed Healthcare Bill (and you know who failed on Healthcare, Former First Lady Clinton)!!!

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CitizenJ — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:17:44 GMT

Here's an interesting number:

This is a breakdown of how many cities (or however MSNBC broke this down)

Obama won 54% (or 128), Clinton won 45% (or 106), Edwards won 0.4% (or 1), and Richardson won 0.4% (or 1)

I guess Clinton won in all the right places.

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Lura, Philadelphia, PA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:19:01 GMT

If John Edwards is an afterthought it is because the media has made him so, and has been ignoring him as much as possible since he entered the race. Get his message out there and he is a winner.

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Francis Crosby, Columbus Georgia — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:20:29 GMT

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY (Sent Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:38 AM)

As to your post above, with regard to Chris Matthews "an aneurism" wow, why didn't I think of that one.

Yes he did look strained, but I was thinking he looked more like he had a flatulence, "turned sideways" and couldn't get it out... Maybe being consumed by his own hot air!! I did see him late night msnbc, sitting kind of slouching in a chair, he looked very tired...

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Waiting to see the last of the cry baby — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:24:44 GMT

Umm basically Obama wasn't supposed to do as well as he did last night. So, to all the Billary lovers, buckle up and get ready for a bumpy ride.

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Mark S, NC — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:28:23 GMT

J. Merle,

Um...actually, I think the "liberal bloggers" comment was directed at the well-known, nationally read bloggers at places like TPM and Kos who have been railing at Obama for using GOP "talking points" about Social Security, etc, and for pushing back against good old-fashioned tow-the-line liberals like Krugman.

But maybe Chuck Todd and Mark Murray were in fact thinking about J. Merle Stanley of Westchester, NY, and how to set him straight when they wrote their First Thoughts this morning.

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Liam, San Francisco — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:29:51 GMT

The most inaccurate statement all the mainstream media, including MSNBC has made, is that Hillary Clinton was "piled on" by Obama and Edwards during the New Hampshire debate on Saturday. If you watch the reply, you will see Hillary vigoriously going after Obama throughout the debate (EG. "reality check guys!", Obama not responding and also not saying much of anything throughout the debate, and Edwards acting mildly aggressive back at Clinton. Bottom line: Obama did not make a single comment at Hillary specifically. If anything, this approach was a major error, which cost him New Hampshire. Obama should have pointed out Hillary's war vote, Iran resolution vote, and that she is the second leading recipient of pharmaceutacal industry lobby funding in the Senate.
Lastly, the media has failed to disect the nature of Hillary's "show of emotion" on Sunday. Instead of showing emotion that she sent thousands of our troops to die in a war she knows is predicated on a lie, she cried for HERSELF. That she was losing the race. This is no reason to cry, and is a reflection of her self-centered world. Just listen closely to her words as she gets choked up-- she still manages to insult Obama about change and being ready to be president. The media apparently missed that part as they were predictably too focused on the fact that some semblemce of emotion had been shown in a human being. How, what high standards!

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Francis Crosby, Columbus Georgia. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:30:19 GMT

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Mark Thieme — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:36:50 GMT

As I said last night... I was wrong. Way wrong.

I got too close and too taken up with the emotion.

We were lost without our Truth Pack!

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Domenico Montanaro — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:37:07 GMT

We have closed comments for this post.

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Dusty, Waterloo, Iowa — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:38:22 GMT

At times, I actually enjoy reading some of these posts. However, please people, stop showing your ignorance, try editing a little. Unable to spell, use proper punctuation and grammar, it is no wonder our country is falling behind in education. If these posts represent the informed voter, several of you would surprise me to form a coherent sentence.

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Shotti Kawlra,Potomac, MD. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:42:21 GMT

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Joyce, NY, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:45:27 GMT

I just read the schedule of the candidates for the week. Hilary is going back to NY and DC to attend meetings while Obama will be out campaigning already in NJ and raising funds in NYC. At least she still remember to fullfill her role as a Senator. Obama missed an important vote in the senate because of guess what - campaigning.

I doubted Hilary's sincerity before. But it's pretty obvious who has a lot of explaining to do now.

Barrack, explain your absence and why did you vote for Cheney's energy bill? Explain your flip flooping stand on Iraq and yes, why do you vote present on women's right to choose?

To the pundits, Hilary won simply because she is the better candidate. The more reliable one. The one that the Republicans would hate to go up against.
Obama is good but it's not his time yet. A VP post would be ideal for him to gain much needed experience.

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VP and Mother of 2, Suburban Chicago, Illinois — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:50:45 GMT

I give Hillary credit for one thing...she played the woman card beautifully. She saw what happened in Iowa and did not want to risk a repeat in New Hampshire. Her "emotional incident" as it has been called, pulled at the hearts of voters. I think one voter in New Hampshire even said she voted with her heart for Hillary versus what her head said was the better choice with Obama. And I have no doubt that the "emotional incident" was staged / planned. She saw the numbers, needed votes and the best way to get them was to get all choked up on camera.

I have been a Republican all my life and as a woman I would love to see a woman President, but not Hillary. Right now, the candidate that appeals to me most is Obama. Good luck to you sir! When Super Tuesday comes to Illinois...you have my vote.

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Emma Lowell, MA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:51:50 GMT

I’m not letting an immature generation who base their unrealistic view of the world through the Colbert Report or John Stewart show decide the fate of this great country.

As a college student who gets their news from a variety of sources, none of which are Colbert or Stewart, I resent the implication that people my age are unable to think for ourselves or formulate a valid opinion. Our votes are just as good.

I have yet to see any canditate put forth clear enough policy, rather than rhetoric, to convince me of their fitness, although any of the democratic candidates would be a welcome change. After careful research, my vote will go to the candidate who can offer proof of this fitness. Not all young people are ignorant.

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Clark, Rutland, VT — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:58:23 GMT

Ok, so I didn't read ALL the comments...but I can suggest that we the people are the losers in this race. Every single candidate wants to "fix" the USA but NOT one of them wants to suggest how on earth they plan on going about that! We have a dwindling middle class; right Hillary? Ok, so what are you going to do about it? I worked my way up from poverty to this "new" class (middle) just to find out that... oh guess what? You have a huge debt to pay for your education... and you will never make enough money to pay that debt for many reasons but the primary reason is the cost of living exceeds the average income. It's happening EVERYWHERE... but I can only speak of Vermont.. and since we don't seem to have people who care to act on any of this...then we need to look to the next level of government because it is not only an issue for VT.

So, I would suggest to ALL of the candidates running... as to not separate .... what are you going to do about these issues? Don't think for one moment in time that we are back in high school and you can get our vote for telling us you are going to put vending machines in the cafeteria.... COME ON people we are smarter then that!!! Don't CRY about it... DO SOME THING!!! TEARS will NOT fix any problems our nation is facing! Coming from where I have ... lets say there were many nights that I cried because I could not keep my baby son warm, the number of jobs I had did not seem to make a difference... I still had to pay the babysitter so I only worked for half the wages. But, yeah I cried.. but in the end the tears did NOT fix the problem.... I had to do something different! So, I enrolled in college and obtained my BA so that I could work one or two jobs and keep a nice warm roof over my son and food in his belly! So, stop crying and start telling me what your plan is to create this change they all speak of!

Now I know I am going to upset some people but, on a personal note, I must admit I am scared of Hillary becoming President... but just my opinion after keeping very close track as she has suggested that we do with ALL the candidates and my gut instinct when it all comes together is that I don't have a choice other then to fear her becomign president of the USA!

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FitMom in Farmington CT — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:01:14 GMT

If people are going to vote for Clinton based on the fact that she cried then they aren't intelligent enough to vote in the first place! Does no one see how calculated it was? Sure it was real, actors in a movie cry real tears too! The Clinton Camp probably saw a poll that said she needed to "feel" so she pressed the empathy button and out came tears. Did no one notice how she smoothly went on to talk as if "okay...cry here...make political point there..." YUCK!

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Connie Cartwright, Princeton, KY. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:06:43 GMT

I just wonder if a few tears will work on Osama or other problems.

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SJ Smith, Kansas City, MO — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:10:53 GMT

Reality Check #1: Hillary won because she has the strength, experience and, yes, humanity to be president from day one. The exit polls tell the story.

Reality Check #2: The media needs to do more reporting of facts and less opinion-spin, especially where Hillary Clinton is concerned. Chris Matthews used the metaphor last week of Hillary attempting to "smother" Obama's candidacy in its "crib." Translation: Hillary is not just the "b" word; she's a "baby killer." That is outrageous even for a talking head like Matthews (who used to be so good...what happened--maybe Olbermann's superior ratings?).

Reality Check #3: Obama has awesome potential and political skills--not to mention ambition; he'd be a better president with more experience.

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citizens for change, nyc — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:23:56 GMT

How long before John Edwards, a good man, realizes he's playing the role of Ross Perot for the Clintons?

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Vanessa Storm, Chicago Il — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:24:20 GMT

Out of all the candidates from both parties,John McCain and Joe Biden are the smart, seasoned, thoughtful, world-knowledgeable, practiced, sophisticated, skilled, and most able leaders to be President of the United States. This country would be in very good hands with either one. Barack Obama is smart, thoughtful, knowledgeable, sophisticated, skilled, and sharp enough to lead, and he brings a new generation's outlook to the table. John Edwards is skilled, thoughtful, smart, knowledgeable, but to my mind doesn't have the national and international scope.
Hilary Clinton? Oh puhleeeeeeeeeze! The quivering lip/choke-up thing? Bill's signature! She feels your pain, and she knows it all. She'll fix ya'll up real good-oh wait that was the Arkansas accent. Her resume is all coat-tail riding. All puff and no pastry. Just wanting it really badly is not enough qualification. Neither is being a woman. It is NOT her "turn." Clintons in the White House again? Yuck!

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Susan, Nebraska — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:24:44 GMT

Isn't it funny that "we" automatically assume that only "ignorant gullible women" are voting for hillary??? Does that mean we assume that "only arrogant, ignorant, redneck men voted for bush?"""
That my friend was an ignorant and gullible comment. Think before you speak

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Jerry, Seattle WA — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:47:58 GMT

I hope Hillary gets the nomination since she is the easiest to beat. She won't get even 40% of the votes in November. It will be a landslide for the Repulicans.

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Bill, Macomb MI — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:55:07 GMT

Kris, Keizer, OR
For Bill in MI. Let's us remember what the Clinton's brought to this country. Sound economy, high norale in our country, respected by other countries, should I go own.
JaniceM,Atlanta,GA
Bill,Macom MI- the only shame I felt during that time was the amount of money spent on Clintons' Impeachment. I felt shame when we let Bush and his hoods steal the election,I felt shame when we went to war for oil and our standing in the world dropped, I feel shame for having a President is incompetent. Need I go on- So Janice it is OK for your husband to have an affar as long as he does not spend any money??
Yes, I was so proud to be an American trying to explain to my young children at the time what the President of the United States - the Commander in Chief and the leader of the free world was doing with Monica in the oval office. Everything is not about money. The President of the United States is held not to a higher standard but to the highest moral standard. Our country is only as strong as our leaders. We need to make sure the person who is elected as our leader is worthy of this honor and responsibility. Hillary is right we know exactly what we will get if the Clintons return. This country can not afford that kind of lack of morality again.

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All About Change, Tampa FL — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:58:10 GMT

Everyone is bashing Obama about not having experience but can someone, anyone please answer this question? In Mrs. Clinton years of EXPERIENCE what has she done that that brought about change and made a difference to this country? Where is her EXPERIENCE coming from! As far as I am concerned she is INEXPERIENCED.

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Mitchell Branch, Hagerstown, Md. — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:02:24 GMT

King of Smear absolutely correct. If the tears of like her winning the Oscar wasn't enough, it was enough for the women to flock to her. It baffles me like you said how gullible they were to fall for that. Then you have Bill talking smack about Obama, saying that his speeches are nothing but a fairy tale. Did he forget that is exactly what he did when he ran for President to get the black vote, now it seems to be a problem. Also what do you take of Bill giving Hillary that dry hug last night, do you really think that he believes that she is the right person for the job? It is definitely going to be something to watch the rest of the way. If she fell under pressure that much because of the way she was treated in the Debate, then heaven forbid if anything happens if she becomes President. What will she do, announce to the world in tears that they are playing rough and I can't take it anymore. America and women all over the world wake up you are getting bam boozeled.

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Tamaika, South Boston, Virginia — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:09:33 GMT

I can not believe that Hillary gets rewarded for doing the "girlie" thing-crying. I certainly hope america as a whole knows that was strategy. Tear up briefly, then attack. Why do we forget the attack? Wake up people! If change is truly needed, and I believe it is, can Billary really bring it?

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:28:22 GMT

First Read:

Why aren't there ANY RECENT POLLS for Nevada ?
Do you have any ?

Any new National polls ?
I understand Hillary's lead has COLLASPED
Where's the latest ?

We used to have a guy in this blog who would continually post national polls when his candidate was ahead......
Sierra, SF (Sent Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:56 AM)

Sierra apparently didn't pay much attention to NH. Otherwise he would know that the polls are worthless. Two days ago Obama was up as much as 12%. He loses by 3%. That's a 15% swing in 24 hours.

That should tell you about the value of polls.

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Carrie, Eastern Iowa — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:30:55 GMT

Ron NPR FL (Sent Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:56 AM)

The networks don't report on actual results - i.e. start counting the votes - until the polls have closed. It's standard procedure. In 2000, the press took a lot of heat when it declared Bush had won FL - the panhandle is in a different time zone, and those polls had not closed yet. A lot of people didn't go vote because of that. As a result, the press stays away from projecting, counting, etc. before the polls are closed.

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Ron Jeffers, Arizona Independent — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:38:54 GMT

Did anybody watch McCain's speech last night? He was reading straight from a prepared text, practically on every word. What was that? Is McCain no longer able to speak from the heart, off the cuff? That speech just bothered me and changed my perception of him. What's worse is that he is by far the most qualified Republican running. Yikes.

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jcl, center, texas — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:48:22 GMT

We cry when we are happy, we cry when we are sad, men,women,even Oprah in her earley days as a news caster. Does she support Obama with tears or joy. We need a leader that laughs and cries, we need someone to help our country get out of this mess we're in and I'm laughing and crying with every friend that is helping Hillary to the White House. jcl

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jcl, center, texas — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:49:22 GMT

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Mike K, Denver — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:58:14 GMT

Also, the woman came into play last night. 47% of them voted for Hillary. I think they've been waiting to see 'Hillary-be-Hillary' the way she was in the two days which preceeded the voting, and especially the way she presented herself in the debate Saturday night.
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Then the Demcratic base (re: the left of the left) are indeed as nuts as many think they are if they want to continue the back and forth biting, bitter, defensive, attack-to-win-at-all-costs politics with the Republicans. Hillary represents this more than any Democrat in the race. Thankfully, there aren't enough of you whackjobs to skew this nomination to Hillary. The rest of us that are more mainstream in the middle will kindly take it from here and deliver this country from another evil (Hillary or another Republican) administration.

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Fred from Woodbury, MN — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:07:16 GMT

I am Democrat first. A Clinton supporter second. If she does not win the nomination I will be disappointed but still a Democrat. I will support the Democratic nominee who ever it is. I just do not get how some Democrats would either vote Republican or not vote at all (which would also be a Republican vote)if Hillary gets the nomination. Makes me think they are not really Democrats, more likely they are Indpendents?

I was thrilled that Hillary came out on top last night. I listened to all three top Democrats speeches last night and there is so much they have common. We should be excited that we have 3 great candidates. We should embrace the process of choosing out nominee based on the issues and how they plan to lead us.

Shame on the media and press for interfering with the process. Lets stick to the substantive issues.

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Jeb Karcher, Cortland, New York — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:12:13 GMT

I have voted for democrats for as far back as I can remember. I have given generously to the campaigns of Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry. I have argued passionately for many years with my conservative friends and colleagues who claimed that the Clintons are committed to one thing only - themselves. Up to last week I was quite happy with any of the democratic nominees.

The recent display by the Clintons in NH has completely soured my view of them and of what they stand for.

I saw Bill Clinton - a former president of our country - transparently and inartfully play to sexist fears and innuendo in order to gain votes in NH. For all of the sometimes just criticisms of the other democratic candidates, I doubt that any of them would get away with this sort of open display of divisiveness.

I saw Hillary Clinton break into tears only to emerge to say that her opponents are wrong and she is right - exactly about what I do not know.

As I've watched both Clintons (particularly Bill) operate these last several days, I've experienced an unfamiliar combination of awe and sadness. It finally dawned on me that these people have no shame and that their values are really not mine. I saw, as have others on this discussion board, a combination of raw ambition and selfishness that has no interest in civility or the truth.

I nonetheless waited up last night to hear what Sen Clinton had to say for herself - to so-to-speak give her the benefit of any doubts about her husband and about her plans heretofore. What I heard must rank as one of the most unimaginative, inane, inarticulate political speeches we have been treated to for quite a long time. I certainly cannot be alone in this view as I am generally more of an ..actions speak louder than words.. type of person.

I am frankly already worried (for the party) about what she will say when the republicants ask: what 35 years are you talking about Hillary? ..Does this include the time of overbilled hours at the Rose Law Firm, your manifest incompetence in managing healthcare reform, you poor judgment in selecting an attorney general (not once but twice), cronism in the Travel office firings, the Law firm billing records that mysteriously disappeared and then just as mysteriously reappeared during a criminal investigation, Monicagate, your inability to stand up to the Bush administration against rushing into the Iraq war.....

Fellow dems, let's pray a silent prayer each day that by some miracle we do not find ourselves after this fall's election in the now familar predicament of having lost the white house, re-energizing the republican base (losing the congress), two new justices on the supreme court that do not share our values.

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Suzanne Ellis Jeffersonville, IN — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:20:12 GMT

I'm sure glad the women in New Hamshire showed how the power of women can change what they thought was going to be Obama running like a freight train through New Hampshire and guess what the power of these women stopped him just like we can throughout the rest of the 48 states. Women need to take a stand this is our opportunity to make history. After all ladies we have'nt been able to vote that long.

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Felix Littleton CO — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:33:02 GMT

Not convinced the Bradley effect was the difference between accuracy of Iowa polls vs New Hampshire.

I don't see, for instance, why an Iowan would be ashamed to stand for Edwards. No on can be accused of being racist just for preferring Edwards. No one knows how you might have previously answered a poll.

I think in New Hampshire Clinton got many women back after her most genuine moment. Also there may have been more indies interested in affecting the Republican race as they were hearing it was going to be Obama with ease on the Dem side. New Hampshire voters also still had very high undecideds going in and young voters weren't as much of a factor, even though it's a lot easier to vote in a primary than to caucus. Probably less work with them by the Obama campaign since the early days when it was supposed to be Hillary's by 20%

We'll see what the future holds but I don't think black voters should be too fearful on the basis this one instance that Obama isn't electable. He DID win indies in both of those very white states and indies will determine the winner in 2008.

White Dems, like those who voted for Hillary in New Hampshire, will mainly come to Obama in 2008 if he is the nominee. And the drive to get out the black vote will be the most massive in history.

If Obama wins, black voters will see that they really can make a difference and they will be much more of an asset to the Dem party. That could change the R/D balance in elections for years to come.

Here in Colorado, the fact that indies have been getting Dems elected has made them much more important to Dems and the result is Dems are coming up with candidates much more to their liking and keeping their concerns in mind. The same would be true for blacks, young people and women if they became a bigger force for Dems.

With indies and even a relatively small improvement in those other voting blocks, Dems can finally recover from the Reagan revolution and the middle class can use the Dems to get back what we're losing to a tiny corporate elite that keeps telling us how great their tax cuts are for us, while our buying power drops like a stone, our grandchildren's future gets looted and our constitution becomes optional.

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Monica, Dallas TX — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:33:59 GMT

Chris Matthews predicted that the Establishment would rain down a ton of bricks on the hopes and dreams of many Americans to start fresh, to feel inspired and to hope again. Chris also rightly mentioned on-air how the media was sucker punched back in 1992 with Bill Clinton's declaration of "comeback kid". I think the media was snookered again..."I Love You" cell phone calls, crying on que (the day before the voting played non-stop on cable),demonstraters showing up at a campaign rally on que, flirting and cheek squeezing to deflect Chris's serious question, telling us that she was being ganged up on during the debate when it was clearly John Edwards attacking her because he wanted the #2 spot (notice the cutaway shot was of Edwards alone, but somehow Obama was included), and finally the best-old play straight out of the Rove playbook...blame the media when you are backed into a corner and claim favoritism...brilliant Mark Penn, simply brilliant.

And for those of you who think that Chris and Chuck Todd are Obama supporters, clear your television screen...that is so NOT TRUE! I thought Chuck Todd was going to punch someone the night of the Iowa caucuses he looked so upset that Obama had won. And to be fair to Chris, stop bashing him...Chris is an equal opportunity journalist.

I'm not supporting either candidate at this point, but let's be fair in our wanting to blame the media for everything that happened last night. I believe that the media was, as my kids say...played like a violin by the Clinton camp. And it worked. She won. Or maybe they allowed the Clinton camp to play them, so that they would have another narrative to get the election to Super Tuesday...sounds like a great ratings opportunity to me.

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Brando, Bronx, NY — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:36:29 GMT

It doesn't matter. The dems are still gonna loose NH in nov. it's just like the 2000 election all over again, so bye bye 4 electoral votes. clinton / omaba ticket? that will never win. cause as much as people would like to have barack as a vp the price for that is to have hillary as president.Please barack don't go for the vp spot, you would loose the election and loose WHO YOU ARE in the process. DON'T SELL YOUR SOUL TO THE "STATUS QUO", IT'S NOT WORTH IT. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

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keithette laughton — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:46:11 GMT

I’m a 59 yr old women from California who watched a lot of Televison on Monday and Tuesday due to a bad cold. This is my take on what happened to the exit polls. I could not get a clear picture of what made “Hillary cry” from the media. My reaction to Hillary by what I saw and from the opinions of the media was negative.

However I think the women of New Hampshire experienced Hillary up close and they liked her. Then they saw the crap on the T.V. and they got pissed and called five of their girlfriends and those girlfriends each called five of their girlfriends and they went out to vote. At the exit polls I think they gave the media their version of a middle finger. In truth the media under estimated Hillary Clinton. However what the polls did show is people voted for experience.

Right now I’m more interested in Obama and think the media did him a big disservice. I also heard the college kids weren’t all back to school yet and just maybe they didn’t all vote because they thought Obama was going to win by double digits!

Keithette Laughton

First thoughts: Game on

Josie, Newnan, GA — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:40:36 GMT

The idea that the press & network anchors can control our voting process scares me beyond belief. They led us to believe that Hillary was history and Obama was in. Well, the people of independent New Hampshire had another idea and we now have a new political outlook. I am an Independent and had not formed an opinion about which candidate I would align with, however, I tell you now that I will support Hillary all the way. She was treated unjustly and for whatever reason, the media is responsible. Obama is charismatic and exciting and I was waiting for the time when he would tell us what his platform would be, what he felt about the real issues facing our country. He hasn't done that yet. He is only calling for change. We all want change from the Bush administration. I delayed making a decision about which candidate to vote for waiting to see what all the candidates propose. This anti-Hillary campaign has me supporting the underdog. I am supporting Hillary all the way because she has "real grit".

First thoughts: Game on

Doug Bond, Grants, NM — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:58:10 GMT

First thoughts: Game on

George Cohen — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:58:35 GMT

RE: Media getting it wrong

Perhaps the media should REPORT the news and NOT try to PREDICT it! What a concept...

One wonders just how much the media is causing other problems. Could it be that the media is also causing the housing problems by continuously harping on how bad it is????

First thoughts: Game on

Susan, Chaska, MN — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:54:23 GMT

Remember the Far Side cartoon where someone is giving a dog all sorts of commands, and all the dog hears is "blah, blah, blah..." That's the way I feel with how the media covers politics. I consider the media as just another division of Hollywood - dissecting the "roles" the candidates are playing, interpreting their "performances," critiquing them, and ultimately recommending, subtly, who should get the award. Just as I have no problem figuring out who David Letterman or Jay Leno or Rush Limbaugh might lean towards supporting, it's pretty easy to spot the media bias. It's not the place of those bringing us the "news" (and that's everyone from liberal CNN to NBC to conservative FOX news) to interpret it for us and attempt to sway public opinion. We either have a democracy or we don't- please, just give us the facts and let the American people (whether black, white, yellow, red, muslim, christian, educated, uneducated, white collar, blue collar or whatever) carry out what the Constitution intended.

First thoughts: Game on

Jamie, Salt Lake, Utah — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:53:50 GMT

You can remind those so-called Republicans in SC what a Republican Actor can do, Thompson. Go Thompson!

First thoughts: Game on

RealB.G. — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:38:48 GMT

Does anyone see that Hillary constantly plays the gender card at the first sign of trouble? First, the Philly debate and facing a possible defeat in NH given the Obama victory in Iowa. Her sense of entitlement is disgusting. Have we all forgotten that we still don't know what is in the presidential library. Now they have James Carville out on the attack. The man wrote a character letter for Scooter Libby.

First thoughts: Game on

Bob Taylor, Omaha NE — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:02:11 GMT

I think Hillary's emotional win in New Hampshire was her using her political "get out of free" card. Any attempt by her to be emotional again will dub her as the "candidate who cried wolf." and voters will see this as a sign of desperation.
I think her win was due to her feeling picked on in the Saturday debate and playing the picked on candidate. I believe people will look at the stronger candidate when they make their choice. Once Edwards does eventually bows out and voters aren't splitting their votes between him and Obama, these 2,000 vote margin of victory will be a thing of the past

First thoughts: Game on

Marisol, Albany, CA — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:31:40 GMT

Source: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629
Statistic: Barack Obama missed 177 of 1086 votes (16%) since Jan 6, 2005 (Very Poor relative to peers).

Source: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300022
Statistic: Hillary Clinton missed 143 of 2394 votes (6%) since Jan 23, 2001 (Average relative to peers).

Pay Attention to the time frame. Hillary's is since 2001 and Obama's is since 2005 (A 4-Year Difference), yet he missed more votes than Hillary over the course of time.
Sounds like someone is solely interested in getting into the White House and forgot to perform his duties to the state of Illinois first. Racing through, not climbing, the political latter.

First thoughts: Game on

Marisol, Albany, CA — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:43:07 GMT

Jan from NH, I was thinking the exact same thing. The media is trying very hard to find an excuse for their bad polling practices. Had it been the Gallop Poll, I'm sure the results may have been more akin to the election results. This is not rocket science here my friends. The media has offended the NH people terribly; shame on them.

First thoughts: Game on

Jeeazi, Sengkang, Singapore — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:06:07 GMT

Obama lost because of the media. On the NH poll eve,there was a prominent article on how Obama relatives in Kenya will pray for him. It reminds people his Muslim roots and family. Muslim Terror - Fear. As an outsider I'm following this election closely because what happens in US affect the rest of the world. With Hillary & Bill, the next 4-8years will be more or less the same policy esp. foreign. With Obama, there's a a little hope that things will change especially how it handle foreign policy and thus terrorist threats.

OBAMA '09

First thoughts: Game on

Frank, South Hampton, NY — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:55:22 GMT

I think it is so great that Obama lost. It shows that Oprah! - who thought she had so much clout to sway voters to his camp. I wonder how she is having her crow served? People got caught up in the Obama thing. Catch phrases and a new face. Well not so fresh. He has been a politican for quite sometime and his voting record is so different than what the man spouts out. I am not sure where people see the change thing. The man is a "politician" so where is the change. If you want change then vote for a Teacher or a Mill worker. I did not fall for the media or Oprah trap.

I think that we have some good candidates out there and we should all vote for the candidate each of us believe will do a good job and not because of thier sex, color, star power and celebrity friends. Did anyone notice that when "Edwards gave is concession speech in NH - they had stragetically placed the actor from "Desperate Housewives" right behind Edwards. I am not sure why our Country is so fascinated with celebrities. I am so tired of seeing them on the nightly news - let's rid of the celebrities and keep this race with politicians only.

******Oprah stick with crying mothers and your book club*******

First thoughts: Game on

HP Boston — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:24:44 GMT

Hillary's tearful self pity was picked up and played over and over ad nauseum by all the "news" channels. Don't be fooled, this was planned - a very clever and very well orchestrated media coup...we all pity the crying fair sex. Obama would have been mocked for the same thing. We are sexist, she took advantage of it.
John (Sent Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:51 AM)

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Dear John,
Yes it was as you say, BUT it was done for the reason to KILL her!
It backfired on the press who played it over and over and over KILL!
Bit them in the ASS!