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Enrique, Chicago, IL — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:59:55 GMT

I am beyond disappointed with Hillary's negative campaigning. Rather than focus on her accomplishments and her plans for our country, she has resorted to name calling and smear tactics. She may not get my vote if she were to be the nominee.

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Jacqueline Blumenthal — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:00:36 GMT

"Bob Johnson unmistakably invoked Obama youthful drug use and -- if that wasn’t enough -- referred to him as Sidney Poitier."

Better Sidney Poitier than Sid Vicious:

Sid Vicious:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0112081blumenthal1.html

Sidney Blumenthal:

http://www.mugshots.com/IMAGES/Mugshot__sid-vicious.jpg

Sid Vicious video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZuH865bSY6s

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:05:36 GMT

In a way, this could be like that movie "guess who's coming to dinner?"......

Chelsea could be the white woman to Sidney, ehhh, I mean Barrock Obama.......

You would have thought the Clinton's would have been smarter then to bring race into the issues, but then again, nothing surprises me about the Clinton's anymore. They will use every dirty trick int he book, both fair and unfair, to get what they want. Hillary can go on Meet The Press and act like smiles and sunshine all she wants to. But deep underneath, there is a sense that they are nothing but a bunch of liars and don't really care about what happens to this country except to get the power that they demand.

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:12:04 GMT

Senator Clinton is successfully making the conversation about whether or not she is justified in making all her smears instead of whether her candidacy is good for America.

I'm not buying it. There is no rift in the Democratic Party, there is only the mad and desperate flailings of the Cllinton machine against any and everyone who would stand in the way of their third term in the White House.

The media has been succefully muzzled, and now gives Hillary Clinton a pass on her hateful rhetoric.

Once the decision to go to war was made, Senator Obama RIGHTLY decided to support the troops and give them EVERY OPPORTUNITY to be successful in their mission. Now that the opportunity has been given, and the political situation remains just as muddled as it ever was, he feels the time has come to BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!

This is about OUR TROOPS and national security, not about political points and calculated positions to be trotted out and misconstrued later. Senator Obama did THE RIGHT THING and has nothing to run from or apologize for in his war decisions. Hillary Clinton is trying to hide her own BAD DECISION by once again laying blame on others (as usual).

The Clintons (because they are both running, let's not kid ourselves) don't stand for anything except more of the same of partisan, underhanded, self serving politics as usual. How is any of this going to improve America?

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Ed Nunn, Warren, Michigan — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:12:24 GMT

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MK,MO — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:13:37 GMT

clinton and obama want to help out the people that need it least, due to their wealthy elitist ties and complete lack of experience as working americans, and it is recognizable in their economic plans, edwards is the only candidate that has targeted where the help is need accurately

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Steve, Hartford, CT — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:13:42 GMT

It really is worrisome--Obama is running an exemplary campaign, but Hillary is doing everything she can to diminish Obama. And a fair number of people are buying right into her spin, it seems. I can only hope that those who refuse to vote for Obama because of Hillary's (and her surrogates') lies about Obama will be outnumbered by the crossover Repubs and Independents he can bring in.

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Anthony Newbill — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:25:38 GMT

Did the Clintons start this controversy to try and draw Barack into the fray , so they could try and Isolate him over what they the Clintons started in the first place , by challenging Barack on his freedom to speak of JFK and MLK the way he did ????

I mean what did the Clintons have to gain by Starting this in the first place , talking down the notion by Barack that he feels like he is an inspiration like MLK and JFK , ?? The Clintons could have said something about their own feeling of how they compared themselves to a past leader that brought change of hope , instead of attack Barack over his freedom to speak of his feelings about this topic , so who was Hillary's choice as a past leader of hope that she feels a likening too , LBJ ?????

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mike, dallas, TX — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:26:08 GMT

One evidence of tha quality of a campaign or a candidate is the type of supporters it attracts. Oprah is attracted to Obama as he shares her view of personal responsibility and triumph of the human spirit by working for a positive change in every day life. On the other hand the Clintons attract people like Bob Johnson who made millions of dollars by feeding denigrating mesoginy on his TV channel to the black population. The message of change and personal responsibility that Obama is carrying is a threat to the Bob Johnsons of the media industry. While Obama urges parents to take personal responsibility by turning the TV off and by being aware what they are watching the Bob Johnsons feed their commmunity trash on TV punctuated by burger commercials that sell diabetes and heart disease at an early age. As an African American I am proud of Barack Obama and Oprah Winfrey who challenge us to do better every day and who take their dreams from the poor neighborhoods of Chicago to the southern coast of Africa and beyond. I am ashamed with the likes of Bob Johnson who make their riches by selling filth to their community and who jump on a power band wagon to protect their greedy need.

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Lisa , Minnesota — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:26:42 GMT

I for the life of me don't understand why Hillary made that comment. That is a very personal topic and time in history for alot of african-american families. She should have used her words more carefully, but blaming Obama for her own words is just as usual for her shifting blame and not taking responsible for her words, her vote for the Iraq war!

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Melissa — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:27:15 GMT

I do not think we should have a caucus at the work place. It could only make it harder on someone if they do not agree with all of their co-workers or boss.

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Isacc, Virginia — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:28:53 GMT

The Democrats would screw up a two can funeral.

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R. John, Houston, TX — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:29:20 GMT

I always thought this was the BIG underlying story in the Democratic party -- That the potential for the fight to get so nasty on race and gender (both of which are extremely complicated issues) that either the Democratic party will do irreparable harm to itself, or potentially throw the republicans all sorts of ammunition for the debates. I know "ammunition" isnt the best term, but its early for me =)

I am bringing this up because it is a really interesting element to this race. Basically, if you do not address race and gender, you are playing it safe, if one of the candidate attacks, a pandora's box is opened. I think the Clinton campaign deserves some credit for holding back initially, but they are definitely the one's that opened the box (so to speak)

Also, BET isn't as nearly influential in American culture as it is going to realize. There are a lot of Black Americans that DO NOT look up to Bob Johnson as any sort of standard setting or discourse driving individual. He's been quiet on issues the past eight years, who cares who he supports...

Finally, just wanted to say I think Chuck has really emerged as one of the better political writers and pundits out there. I used to follow hotline, but its good to hear someone that really understands the "maddening intricacies" of this process...

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stop the witch hunt — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:33:23 GMT

YOU GO GIRL WE ARE ALL WITH YOU.

BLACKS, WHITES, LATINAS, JEWISH, KOREANS, CHINESE, INDIANS, JAPANESE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT RACE WE ARE WE ALL BEHIND YOU MRS. CLINTON

LADIES LETS MAKE HISTORY. VOTE FOR HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON. LETS PUT A STOP TO THIS WITCH HUNT AND THE DOUBLE STANDARD THAT IS PUT UPON WOMEN AND EQUALIZE THE PLAYING FIELD ONCE AND FOR ALL.
LETS CHANGE THE WORLD BY ELECTING THE FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT OF THE FREE WORLD.
LIKE DR. MAYA ANGELOU SAYS LETS RISE. LETS MAKE HISTORY

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Dave, Evergreen CO — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:34:24 GMT

If Clinton wins the Democratic nomination I'm voting for Bloomberg.

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John, Royal Palm Beach, Florida — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:36:06 GMT

Statement from Lois Davidson, Mother of Killer's Victim, in Response to Huckabee
January 11, 2008

For Immediate Release:
Contact: Keith Emis
Email:victimsvoice@gmail.com

Statement from Lois Davidson, Mother of Killer's Victim, in Response to Huckabee

Lois Davidson, whose daughter Carole Sue Shields was raped and killed in 2000 by a criminal whose release from prison was championed by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, issued the following statement today in response to Huckabee's contention in a television interview that her story was being "exploited" for political purposes:
"Last night, Mike Huckabee accused me of being exploited and used for political purposes. I assure you, Mr. Huckabee, I am not being exploited. I am fully aware of the actions I have taken in attempting to inform the public of your role in my daughter's rape and murder. I have spent over 7 years thinking about this.
"I am not a dupe. But you, Governor Huckabee, were duped time and again by convicted felons who once released from prison by you began hurting people again.
"Mr. Huckabee, I am not a victim. However, my daughter was a victim. She was raped and murdered by a serial rapist that you wanted freed from prison. Please be honest about the role you played in releasing my daughter's killer."

Huckabee's dismissal of Davis came during an interview on the Hannity and Colmes television program following a Republican debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C.

Davidson's story is the subject of an ad aired in South Carolina this week focusing on Huckabee's dismal record on the rights of crime victims. The ad was developed and paid for by Victims Voice, an Arkansas-based victims advocacy group and can be viewed on the Victims Voice Web site at www.victimsvoice527.com.

The 60-second ad from Victims Voice tells of how Shields was raped and murdered in 2000 by Wayne Dumond, a former inmate in Arkansas prisons whose release was championed by Huckabee. After his release, Dumond relocated to Missouri, where he raped and killed Shields and is believed to have killed another woman. Dumond died in prison in 2005.

Victims Voice is a non-profit 527 launched in December 2007 to expose the Mike Huckabee record of releasing hardened criminals from prison. During his 10 ½ years as governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee released over 1,000 criminals from Arkansas prisons. That total is more than that of the previous two Democratic governors combined, one of whom was Bill Clinton.

"Gov. Huckabee's suggestion that Lois Davidson is being 'exploited' is deplorable, and his callous dismissal of Ms. Davidson as a political pawn is shameful," said Keith Emis, director of Victims Voice. "According to all published reports, Huckabee played a key role in supporting Dumond's release, but now he's trying to run from his record. How many more women must die or live in fear before Mike Huckabee is held accountable for his actions?"

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Livid in Las Vegas — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:36:07 GMT

The attempt to disenfranchise voters in Las Vegas is the latest example of the Clinton campaign pulling chapter and verse from the Republican playbook in their cynical attempt to win this election at all costs. This is STRAIGHT out of GOP campaign training.

"Not going to endorse us, eh? We'll just have to make sure you can't vote then."

And Clinton supporters, don't insult your own intelligence by suggesting that she endorses this nasty attempt to divide Nevada and disenfranchise working-class and Latino voters. She could do a very simple thing and tell the Teachers to pull the legal action. She hasn't. This has been out there for 4 days now.

Disgusting.

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Haroun Al-Tibi Hayarabi Clinton, lurking in your broom closet — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:36:23 GMT

Shrillary and Osama...both playing the race card, the gender card, and the egomaniacal card not to mention the lying card... Real presidential material here!

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Buster — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:38:00 GMT

This is typical of HRC and her surrogates hoisting her onto her self-entitled bloody pedestal. Dick Morris predicted (her former guru)last week on Fox News that the Clinton's would begin using the race card.
Then yesterday on top of her coming back to her REAL voice on Meet the Press, the media plays her self-hatin' "good ol boy" R. J. Johnson attempting to marginalize Mr. Obama by bringing up drug use again.
This is a brotha that never met a woman, especially a black woman, he couldn't disrespect. By the way I never recall the media constantly tolerating anyone bringing up George Bush II's, REAL prior cocaine use when he was elected twice to the Presidency. You all have a double standard, one for yourselves and one for folks that don't look like you.

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Kristopher, VA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:38:52 GMT

Sen. Clinton expects that she can win the general election? She's already splitting the Democrats apart, and we all know that the Republicans can't wait to lay in to her in the general elections. I don't understand how she can purport herself to be "electable" at all. As it stands, her dirty shenanigans are turning off voters to the democratic side. I never expected to hear Democrats saying they would vote for McCain or Huckabee if Clinton is nominated. She's about as much of a "uniter" as Bush was.

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cms — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:39:36 GMT

I'm fighting off bitterness myself at the moment. It's going to be extremely difficult if HRC wins (and I'm a woman). I'll probably still vote for her because a Dem president is important to me, but I am very unlikely to lift a finger to help make it happen.

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Catherine Jobe, KY — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:39:42 GMT

The abortion issue? For Hillary to get to the left of Obama on that issue, she'd have to be for abortion after the birth.

If politics doesn't work out for these two knuckleheads, they'd make a great comedy team.

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Steve, Sioux City, IA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:39:43 GMT

The Clintons want the White House so badly they are willing to drive their party over a cliff to get it. The best thing for the nation and the Democratic Party is to rid them and their poison from the party for good. I normally vote Democratic, but I would not vote for Hillary Clinton if a gun were to my head.

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Melinda Gale, Boston, MA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:40:16 GMT

"time and space constraints" AND unAmerican and undemocratic exclusion of media coverage of the other candidates running for U.S. president--people who have been elected to represent their constituents for YEARS. THESE are the people who actually have something to say and offer a CHOICE to the voters. Focusing on the media-chosen "front runners" and their pathetic records is a travesty to the honesty and open debate American voters need and deserve.

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jlb in PA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:53:19 GMT

What makes Obama's drug use off limits? Is it because he is black and therefore considered normal? That would sound racist to me, but just because someone is a minority shouldn't mean than can't be called to tasks for their failures. Obama as admitted his use so why is discussing the facts a problem? There was no proof of Bush's use but it was discussed many times so I don't see why Obama should be getting a free pass.

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:53:38 GMT

USA Today/Gallup Poll. Jan. 4-6, 2008. N=499 Democrats and Democratic leaners nationwide. MoE ± 5.

1/4-6/08 12/14-16/07
Clinton 33 45
Obama 33 27
Edwards 20 15

OBAMA is GAINING SUPPORT
It looks like Clinton is LOSING SUPPORT
I wonder why ?

Has anybody noticed that Bill Clinton has turned into Spiro Agnew ?
Has an ex-President smeared other candidates during a Primary ?
Has an ex-President smeared other candidates in ANY ELECTION ?

Bill Clinton, World Class LIAR and Attack Dog !!
Did you have SEX WITH THAT WOMAN, BILL ?
How about Paula Jones ?
Kathleen Wiley ?
Gennifer Flowers ?

OH !
WHAT IS THE MEANING OF 'IS' ?

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Joe Einloth — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:54:15 GMT

The damage won't be irreparable. Whoever wins still gets to run against the Bush record.

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Craig Beitzel, Chincoteague, VA. — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:55:27 GMT

The Democratic party is now divided, thanks to Hillary and Bill. The African American community has been "used" much more by them, than helped.The Clinton's started the entire race-issue regarding Obama, and now blame it on him. It is disgraceful, disingenuous, and will push every civic minded voter to either Obama or Edwards.She was FOR the war, he was AGAINST (documented), but now she claims that he was for it. She was FOR Spitzer's 100% illegal immigrant amnesty, then against, and now (again) claims both sides of the issue.She claims to want to help middle class, but pushes IT jobs for recent college IT grads to India due to her lobby money from India. One thing is clear...on poll that is true...Obama honesty-rating is about 75%, and hers' is 12%. That much is true. Anyone But Hillary !!

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RJ, Phoenix, AZ — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:56:25 GMT

I really feel that it would be in the best interest of both Obama and Clinton (not to mention the democratic party)to hold a joint news conference to say that things have escalated beyond what is necessary and that neither of them wish to inject race. This doesn't look good for either Obama or Clinton. In the news conference they should state that they want the news media to back off and focus on the issues for the sake of the Democratic party. Obama supporters may dismiss this saying that it was Clinton that started this by her comments on LBJ and MLK. But I see that MANY pundits in the media are backing Clinton saying that her statement was about policy and vision working together and had nothing to do with race. On the other hand, Clinton stands to lose support in the African American community but Obama stands to lose among more centrist democrats the longer it appears that his camp makes an issue out of the race thing. This is bad news for both candidates come the general election when one of them will be the nominee. Therefore, I firmly believe that both Clinton and Obama should hold a joint news conference and call a truce to this issue and put it to rest.

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Adam/Brooklyn New York City — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:57:22 GMT

Hillary Clinton is employing the Karl Rove playbook: Divide, Destroy and Distract. She's making it clear that if she's going down, she'll taking the party with her.

I think Obama needs to make a distinction right now. THIS is the difference between these candidates. Clinton employs these tactics, Obama does not.

It is time to end the Bush/Clinton Era.

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Daniel, NY — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:58:53 GMT

There were four new polls out this morning and they ALL show McCain leading: one in Michigan, one in South Carolina and two in Florida. We have our nominee? Link: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2008/01/morning-polls-gop-muddle-in-michigan.html

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Rep0X — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:00:43 GMT

-By the way, the reason this lawsuit cropped up late? Because no one knew for sure who was going to get the Culinary nod. Had Edwards or Clinton received it, do you think this lawsuit gets filed? Actually, it probably does get filed, just a different plaintiff.-
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I would like to see the media give Obama the benefit of the doubt, since he's the only candidate who has showed fairness in this race... Do NOT assume that Obama would do the same thing Clinton does!
Clinton s throwing sucker punches at Obama. He hasn't attacked Hillary Clinton, but U manage somehow to call this an "..increasingly nasty Clinton-Obama race". I think an "..increasingly nasty Clinton campaign" would be more accurate. But I guess U are so afraid to hear more complaints from Bill Clinton talking about the media NOT giving enough scrutiny to Obama. ONE BIG problem though; Obama would never consider running as Clinton's VP!!! What would Clinton do without the large amount of Obama's supporters? Bill and Hillary have demonstrated their integrity level... Voters, do you part!

YES WE CAN

Obama '08

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Susan K., Wysox, PA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:01:40 GMT

I read the online article by Newsweek last Friday which said that the rumor that Obama’s church was racist was untrue. They said that the church was pro-African and radical but that they couldn’t find any actual acts of racism. Some how that didn’t quite get to the bottom of the accusations. White racist can yell out “White Power” and not make any other remark but you know what they mean. So what is the difference when you have a group yelling “Black Power?” I think it’s hypocritical to say one is racist and the other isn’t.

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John Hardin — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:02:08 GMT

I don't see how any true Democrat could vote for Hillary. She still hasnt apologized for her support of the war. SHe was very proud of her vote when they got Saddam. Lets not forget either that Bill also lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction or how he said that we need a new world order, (see Youtube). The only reason she's even in the race is because it's nothing but an auction and she has the most $$ and runs the DNC. Funny thing too she's getting money from the same folks that backed W. I still dont see how all of the pollsters couls have been so wrong in NH. It smells fishy really fishe

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Toni C — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:02:29 GMT

My analogy on Iraq:

Clinton voted for the arsonists that Obama would not have voted for. They both voted for firefighters and equipment to deal with the disaster caused by voting for arson. Now apparently they are both for trying to save the building without sacrificing anymore firefighters than is necessary.

On the MLK/LBJ flap:

Don’t go there Hillary

“On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was morally indefensible and socially suicidal."
- MLK Jr, The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr

Of course Hillary was a “Goldwater Girl” in 1964 as he received the Republican nomination. Goldwater was one of only six Republican Senators to actually vote against the act.

So while it “took a president” to have the dream begin to become a reality, it certainly was not the President she would have had preferred at the time.

Is this part of the record we are being asked to look at Hillary?

I’m not suggesting that Hillary didn’t change and demonstrate a change in political position on the Civil Rights Act over time, but Mr. Clyburn was right when he said, “We have to be very, very careful about how we speak about that era in American politics”.

I’d suggest that Hillary just abandon the MLK/LBJ theme for a more suitable example of change over experience and talk over action. She was in fact on the wrong side of the Civil Rights Act at the time it mattered.

That might sound like her Iraq vote but let’s not mangle the point. (Laughing)

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k, seattle — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:04:22 GMT

Clinton and Obama have got to get it together as this is getting very Repulican like and it's sad. I do think it is the last thing that Democrats need and to bring race into this race (pun intended) is just ludicrous. Lets debate issues democrats and hey, where is Edwards? He better jump in the water while it's hot!

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Jesse — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:04:49 GMT

Too devisive... then pick Edwards because he is the candidate that is by far telling the truth and standing up on behalf of working families and the poor. Obama is ok... but doesn't offer the specifics that Edwards does, and Clinton is the least sincere of all the candidates. Haven't been able to connect with her.

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A Independent Voter — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:05:07 GMT

I have seen the recent coverage of the Obama and Clinton and I have to say that this could turn into a situation where JFK and LBJ are brought back to life through Obama and Clinton. I think that they will have no other choice but to become a ticket because all of this race and gender warfare is hurting the party (you can see it for yourself out in the country and on numerous blogs all over the internet). I am an independent, and I really would like to vote for a democrat this year only because the individuals on the republican side (except John McCain) are really scary. I think that if JFK and LBJ could put their differences aside for the good of the party and unite as a ticket, I think Clinton and Obama can do the same. I fear that some might thing this idea as foolish, but I think both sides must give some ground to make sure the party survives. I think Clinton is a wonderful, strong, and independent woman and I also think Obama is an inspirational, kind, and giving man. Why not combine both to make a ticket that can bring the country back together? If this warfare continues, I think it is the democrats that need to worry about whether or not this fighting will produce a victory for the republicans, and once that happens I can hear the blame game running off with both camps blaming each other for getting the democrats to lose for a third presidential election cycle. The democratic contenders need to think of the country FIRST!!! and not GENDER and RACE!!!!

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Robert, Newnan, GA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:05:33 GMT

Great job by the Clintons of bringing ethnicity and race into the campaign. She spent nearly the whole hour on Meet the Press attacking Obama, intstead of talking about herself and the American people. What is wrong with the Clintons?!

Does anyone wonder why the Edwards and Obama campaigns dont have these issues between them?

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wlmarvel — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:05:59 GMT

Clinton and Obama need to stay positive, speak about the issues, No back stabbing. I thought this is what both candidates wanted and that's what the the American people want. If the ugliness begins the American people will tune them out.

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Anthony Newbill — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:06:52 GMT

Subject: Did the Clintons start this controversy to try and draw Barack into the fray , it was their statements that started this in the first place ??

I am a Republican , and have been favoring the idea of voting for how a Barack Obama Presidency could change the way career politics has created the biggest mess in the last 20 years that I have ever seen in my 47 years , so ,

Did the Clintons start this controversy to try and draw Barack into the fray , so they could try and Isolate him over what they the Clintons started in the first place , by challenging Barack on his freedom to speak of JFK and MLK the way he did ????

I mean what did the Clintons have to gain by Starting this in the first place , talking down the notion by Barack that he feels like he is an inspiration like MLK and JFK , ?? The Clintons could have said something about their own feeling of how they compared themselves to a past leader that brought change of hope , instead of attack Barack over his freedom to speak of his feelings about this topic , so who was Hillary's choice as a past leader of hope that she feels a likening too , LBJ ?????

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Kerry Cunningham, Plainview, Arkansas — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:07:07 GMT

I can not understand why NEA backs Clinton -- Her running in education in Arkansas was a mess-- just like her attempt at Health Care in Washington -- Wake Up America!!!! Clinton is for the Money People - they do what they want -- Hillary had licensed teachers take a test to prove that they are capable of teaching---- her basic skills tests that students had to take or be retain -- was sooooo basic that it brought academics down in Arkansas-- we are finally getting it where it needs to be -- and that is no help with Huckebee either-- he is a liar and an idiot-- again I repeat WAKE UP AMERICA and ask their home state "ordinary" people what they think about these life long politicans --- they need to get a real job.

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HoleinOne, Hopkinton, MA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:07:43 GMT

While there are players (Al Sharpton) who talk alot about race relations, there are others (Clinton) who have taken action. Interesting discussion - not sure why you don't vote for team that has proven it can get thing done.

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Jim, Irmo, SC — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:08:00 GMT

This has less to do with race than it does with bad politics.
Clinton needs to stop. Obama is right to state that it is something that she said, that other people had problems with, but that his campaign has, essentially, nothing to do with other than being the target of her accusations. He didn't say anything about what she said. She did something and is trying to blame him for it.

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash. — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:08:20 GMT

IF THESE POLITICIANS DO NOT STOP THEIR CHILDISH BEHAVIORS AND START TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEIR PLAN IS TO BETTER THIS WORLD, I WILL NOT VOTE ...PERIOD. I WISH THEY WOULD ALL GROW UP AND QUIT THEIR RIDICULOUS WHINNING. NONE OF THEM DESERVE A VOTE.

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MK,MO — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:08:22 GMT

'Most likely, this all means that whoever comes out on top -- Clinton or Obama -- is going to have a lot of work to'

best I recall their are more than two dem candidates, please correct me if I'm wrong, maybe I have missed something, you guy's take the cake

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Kwame — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:08:49 GMT

Everthing you metioned in this article is about comments and attakcs from the Clinton's camp. Why are all of the storylines about a Obama/Clinton fight. Obama has said nothing.

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Shelly, California — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:10:06 GMT

Keep in mind guys..it takes two people to 'fight'. Obama isnt 'spatting back' at Mrs. Clinton. He does his best to me to not even touch race issues-hence the authenticity of his campaign of being a candidate for unifying America. Mrs. Clinton is 'spatting' with herself about words she and Bill said out of their own mouth. Just because Bill felt he needed to go to Sharpton to do damage control doesnt mean that Obama is fighting her. I know it makes for an interesting story but its just not fact.

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Debra — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:11:12 GMT

How quick you are to count John Edwards out like the rest of the elite media.

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EE — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:11:15 GMT

In all fairness The Clintons are bad omen for the Dems in 08. When Obama gets the nomination he will have to do alot to heal the party.

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Diana Glinski, Mancelona, Michigan — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:11:22 GMT

As a Democrat in Michigan, I think it is wrong that the State Democratic Party did not include all the Democratic candidates on the ballot. No matter how much the news broadcast that "write-in" spot will not be counted and that the voter should use the "uncommitted" spot, there are always someone who will still write-in one of the candidates whose name does not appear on the ballot.

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Walter Mybeck, Des Moines, IA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:12:26 GMT

American humorist Will Rogers is reported to have said, "I am not a member of an organized political party, I am a Democrat." The more things change, the more they stay the same. A bruising primary fight is common for Democrats, the questions is who, if anyone, is going to reprise Ralph Nader's role of petulant 3rd party spoiler and deliver the Presidency to the Republicans yet again. Hopefully that does not happen. Without Nader, Bush likely could not have been appointed President.

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Brian Carter — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:15:08 GMT

This country cannot afford to have any of the Republican candidates get in the White House. Clinton and Obama need to stick to the issues and not wallow in the muck making personal attacks on one another. The Democrats cannot self-destruct again like we have the last 2 elections or this country will dig itself a deeper hole with a sprialing economy and a never ending war!

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Brenda Cassell, Virginia Beach, VA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:16:06 GMT

This presidential race IS NOT about race....Hillary Clinton is correct when she stated that JFK & LBJ were instrumental in getting the Civil Rights Laws passed as the law of the land....The Masses demonstrate, sit-in, etc to gain support across the land but the USA is a LAND OF LAWS...And the truth of the matter is Barak Obama, tho a great candidate, is not MLK or JFK....PLEEZE TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES...DO NOT TAKE US BACK TO THE PASS....IT'S A DISTRACTION. I would challenge each person to look at Clinton and Obama's SENATE RECORDS as well as their LIFE'S WORK UP TO THIS POINT AND IT WILL BE PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THAT HILLARY CLINTON IS THE BEST candidate to be our next COMMANDER IN CHIEF

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Lynn, NC — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:16:22 GMT

Man, I was so hopeful for the Dems before the primaries began, and then again after Iowa. But now it's all gone to dust, or maybe mud. I keep hoping all of the mud-slinging is just a bad dream but alas, it is reality and it will not stop. What truly disappoints me the most is how a former president, Bill Clinton, has waded into the fray. I know it shouldn't surprise me because his legacy was pretty much tarnished anyway. But now his legacy is blown into oblivion and I have absolutely ZERO respect for the guy. Yes, his wife is running. But he could have been involved without bringing out all of his dirty political tricks.

My hope is now pretty much dead.

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James Jones, Jacksonville, Florida — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:16:32 GMT

If Clinton manages to destroy Obama she and the Dems may be in for a nasty suprise on election day. Black voters may write in Obama in significant numbers or he may just run as an independent. If that happens any legitamate Republican would win. They could run together, but their phenomenal ego's would never allow that.

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Becky Binks, Chicago, IL — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:16:40 GMT

On the Meet the Press yesterday, Hillary Clinton characterized all criticism of herself and Bill regarding race as unfair and not true. Has she not figured out that this is the side of her that no one wants to see? We've had enough of a president who says the opposite of the truth every time he opens his mouth. How the heck will she work with people whose viewpoints are different from hers? She keeps claiming that she hasn't injected gender or race issues into this campaign and yet on the radio (WBBM-AM CHICAGO) on the day of the NH Primary, I heard a clip of her saying that criticisms of her were sexist.

She can't have it both ways. For the record, I would love to have a woman president. Just not one who is so patronizing (or matronizing) to the rest of us. She's got a lot of competition for being the smartest girl in the class these days--and it appears she never learned how to work well with others.

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Harlan Broers, Clara City MN — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:16:52 GMT

Obama, can't win the Nov election, as a Muslem he wants the republicans to win as he knows their right wing heathen anti Christ agenda will be the fall of the USA, Democrats are as stupid as the people who believed Hitler, remember his anti Jew rhetoric did not come out until after he was in office.The USA is going the way of the Romans

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John B, Des Moines, IA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:18:35 GMT

All of this could be avoided if the MSM would focus on issues and answers of substance instead of horse race and who's liked by the media.

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Arshad, Newburgh, NY — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:18:46 GMT

Media is doing a poor job here. Please do NOT characterize it as Clinton-Obama race spat. Because it's not. Hillary is running to break the highest glass ceiling to become the first woman president. Obama is not running a symbolic campaign to become the 1st black president. He is running because he is the right candidate for this moment in American History with a gridlock in Washington and a wrong war in Iraq that's running for years. DO understand that Senator Obama is raised by a white mother and white grand parents. He is married to an AA woman. He has strong ties to both side of the race equation. He never brings race or gender in campaign trail.

Clintons are the ones who are making remarks on MLK, LBJ. Clintons are the one that are calling Obama's whole thing as fairy tale. Clinton's pals are characterizing him as a drug dealer. Her campaign workers spreading e-mails that he is a muslim plant. Her NH supporter sent false mailer on his pro-choice record to voters. They are the one who got caught on all these nasty attacks. They are the ones who needed to either fire their campaign officials or apologize to Obama or to Black politicians to clarify their OWN remarks. Senator Obama or his campaign officials never made a direct remark on any of these. So why does MSM characterize this whole issue as Clinton-Obama spat. Why not see it as what it is? Relentless attack on Obama, his records and his character. Clintons know they can't win on their strength. So they want to establish Obama's weaknesses.

They have already lost this game. A man who was not known in this country even 3 years ago, with a name that even does not sound American, raise $100M in 10 months, go to states that are 95%/96% white and crush the most powerful political couple in the recent history of this country, by itself, is a HUGE accomplishment. Clintons are scared, had to cry or beg for votes in NH to save their political lives. They should know by now, they have already lost. 35 years of Hillary's experience and 24/7 presence of a former 2 term president on campaign trail and relentless attacks are making very least difference. Clintons believe if they can lie enough times, it might stick. It's true, sometimes it does, people give a benefit of doubt to the negative campaigners. But it won't work this time because people already know Clintons. They know these couple can lie with a straight face, by looking squarely at the TV camera.

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Janet Bailey Hooksett, NH — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:19:00 GMT

Under "lost Dem issues" you are a little one-sided (Hillary's way)about the Clinton attacks on Obama. I think a little more explanation of the true story should have been noted. As the Newsweek article pointed out, Obama's "present" vote was actually sanctioned and encouraged by Planned Parenthood and was in reality a "No" vote. Also, Obama has never waivered on his stance against the war. He voted for the same funding bill as Hillary, to support the troops not the war. She tooks pieces of what he said during the 2004 Kerry campaign and twisted it to suit her purposes. Not explaining this in your article leaves room for people to infer that what she said is true. It's a sad commentary on this country that the real issues, the economy and war, aren't being discussed.

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Catherine,Philadelphia,Pa. — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:19:04 GMT

There is an under estimated consequence of Obama's trumpted up claim of racism against Clinton. Not taken into consideration is the amount of "Race Card Fatigue" felt even among many White Democrats. Obama risks losing support of these voters in the General Election should he be the nominee. Speaking to many of my Democratic friends the comments are the same. Many feel Obama is hurting the Democratic Party by injecting race needlessly. We see the fabric of the party being torn by one of our own claiming to be a uniter. It has to stop.

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Nekol — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:20:04 GMT

I don't think either Obama or Hillary have said or done anything during this campaign that would be hard to take back or prevent them from being on the same ticket. And, it doesn't do Hillary any good to throw stones at Obama,when she's done the same things (i.e. war funding votes)she's accusing him of. I get that she's attempting to point out he "says one thing and does another". But it just makes her look like she's trying to drag him down in the mud with her. I'm not sure if it has more to do with the WAY she says these thing than actually WHAT she says. It's just not very tasteful to me.

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Patty, C-town, NJ — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:20:35 GMT

Most of you people are blind as far as seeing Obama some innocent victim. He brings this all on his own and the Clintons did nothing wrong. The facts are just the truth. Nothing will be hidden and shouldnt be either. Anything the Clintons say is going to be distorted and taken apart to like like racism. Its a bunch of crap!! This is what Obama is trying to do. We all know whos side the Clintons are on and always were.

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Becky Binks, Chicago, IL — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:20:56 GMT

To Ed Nunn of Warren, MI. It's pretty well documented that our current president used cocaine and had a drinking problem. Don't you find it refreshing that Obama is actually honest about his flaws and that he was willing to become a better person.

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Brian, Seattle WA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:21:13 GMT

This really sounds like the Media *wants* a spat between them. Is there one? I'm not so sure it's as bad as they are reporting. I think the Media wants a story so badly that they inflate the campaign's "attacks" so they can get a story when in fact there is little to report.

Candidates will and always have highlighted what the other person says and "attack" that. I don't think of it as negative campaigning, I think of it as politics. Comparing and contrasting the candidates is part about making a decision and whether or not you agree, American's like that.

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eNews Reference — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:21:53 GMT

I don't know how even the Clinton camp can get around the comments that Hillary Clinton made about the MLK Movement needing a politician in Washington to enact his Dream...that statement was outrageous and it had nothing to do with Barack Obama...when will politicians be accountable?... http://www.enewsreference.wordpress.com

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Laura, St. Louis, MO — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:21:53 GMT

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laysu kemokai — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:22:32 GMT

I would hope the media will stand up and not drop the ball as it did prior to the invaison of Iraq. Just how does Senator Obama plans to inplement his change? We all want change after 7 yrs of Bush. Is he going to change the rules in Congress or the senate or Ammend the constitution?

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SHIRLEY LOWELL AR. — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:23:34 GMT

I DON'T KNOW WHY I BOTHER TO WRITE ON THESE ISSUES.
FOR SOME REASON MY LETTERS DON'T GET PRINTED.
I SUSPECT IT IS BECAUSE I AM A CLINTON SUPPORTER.
I SEE WHAT THE OBAMA CAMP IS DOING. THE ARE VERY SUBTLE IN THEIR ATEMPT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE CLINTONS ARE RACIEST. MR OBAMA CAN STAND ASIDE AND LOOK VERY COY ABOUT IT, WHILE HE IS QUITE WILLING TO TAKE POT SHOTS AT HILLARY , IN HIS OWN DEFENCE OF COURSE.!!! WHY DOESN'T HE PUBLICLY DENOUNCE ANYONE IN HIS CAMPAIGN THAT WOULD CAUSE THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR? HILLARY HAS.
HE DOES INDEED HAVE A VERY WELL ORGANIZED CAMPAIGN.
JUST ABOUT ALL THE LETTERS THAT COME IN HERE ARE FOR OBAMA. OR AS IN MY CASE THEY DON'T GET PRINTED.
THE OTHER REASON COULD BE THE RIGHT WINGERS FLOODING THE EMAILS TO ONCE AGAIN SPREAD THEIR HATE FILLED MESSAGES AGAINST THE CLINTON'S AND DIVIDE THE DEM'S.
THE TIME AND THE PLACES FOR VOTING IN SOME STATES IS RIGGED TO BEST SERVE SOME CANDIDATES OVER OTHERS.
OUR VOTING PRACTICES NEED A FACE LIFT. TO THINK WE DON'T HAVE A MORE FAIR SYSTEM IN PLACE NOW AFTER WHAT HAPPRNED IN 2000 IS JUST CRAZY
THE DEM'S KNOW HOW NASTY THE GRAND-OIL-PARTY CAN BE.
LET;S NOT SINK TO THAT LEVEL. GIVE THE CLINTON'S A BREAK. LETS HAVE A FAIR RACE.
MAY THE BEST MAN OR WOMAN WIN.

MY CHOICE IS HILLARY!!!!!

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Datha Nation, Longmont CO. — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:23:36 GMT

If this cat fight keeps up will switch to Independent
party, they need to stick to the real issues...

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ObamaorimmovingtoCanada — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:25:29 GMT

Obama was running a perfectly clean, and even noble campaign until Clinton decided to play dirty. Complete with crying the day before the N.H. primary, using her pathetic husband to spew baseless claims that the American people see right through, (by the way, Bill, you were a lousy President, thanks for selling missile technology to the corrupt government of China, yeah that's right, any info. coming from you is not credible...liar). The Clintons time is OVER. Gone are the days of corruption and the staus quo. The Clintons only care about one thing more than they care about this country............POWER. You see, Obama will put the country first. If this thing divides the Dems, blame it on the person who decided to make it dirty when she was losing in Iowa, Hillary Clinton, defender of the status quo. Enemy of the democratic party.

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Here we go again — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:25:42 GMT

It seems we have learned nothing from the last election. Then, John Kerry chased a lot of independents away because he used such harsh tactics in the Primarys, attacking everyone in his way. The election became more of a I'm not for Kerry than anything. Thus, Bush won. This time, Obama and Clinton are going at it and Edwards is sniping from the edges. All this does is make the eventual winner look bad to Independents. I hope history doesn't repeat itself

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Barbara Lang, Phoenix AZ — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:25:54 GMT

Yeah, and if I were Obama I'd be running an exemplary campaign as well. Can't let anyone dig too deeply into the real person behind the campaign or we'll all realize he's even snakier than the Clintons and Edwards put together. And for goodness sake, put your hand on your heart for the national anthem, especially if you want to run for leader of the country!

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Curt, New Jersey — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:25:57 GMT

This whole issue is nonsense.

Without Martin Luther King and the movement he led there would not have been a Civil Rights Bill.

Without the support of President Johnson it never would have passed.

While King was the leader of the civil rights movement it took both of them to pass the Civil Rights Bill and take the dream a big step closer to being realized. We are not there yet.

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Andron Evans, West Palm Beach — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:26:16 GMT

To ED NUNN, WARREN IN MICHIGAN..If your theory of past mistakes being a deciding factor in choosing your President... then you should have never ever voted in any election during your life time since you were of voting age....Everyone in their life has made some kind of mistake...it's just that someone like Obama is man enough to admit to them... It shows one thing about him, HONESTY and FULL DISCLOSURE... perhaps two even more important qualities you should be looking for, rather than mistakes of a maturing and oft ill decision making youngster.

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:26:47 GMT

'... Clinton supporter (and BET founder) Bob Johnson unmistakably invoked Obama youthful drug use...'

As head of BET, Bob Johnson did his best to turn black women into sex objects, for the sake of his own personal gain.

Bob Johnson sterotyped Black people for his own personal parofit....

He's the ultimate Clintonista, belittling and smearing the first viable black Presidential candidate in the interest of the Clintons...

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laurie Piitsfield, MA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:26:58 GMT

The Clintons have no regard for the Democratic Party - Hillary uses the same old smears and polarizations that have characterized her whole political career.

Only this time it's not just an individual opponent who is being destroyed, the Party is being fractured and diminished. The DNC and it's chairman made a fool. And other candidates for other offices will pay the price.

This is the Clintons at their very worst.

She doesn't care if the Democrats win the white House or other elections if she's not the nominee. we saw what the clintons did to gore and Kerry's campaigns to make way for Hillary.

Only this time the DNC can't count on Democrats holding their noses and voting for Hillary. Do you really think very many Obama and Edwards supporters will do that? Do you think very many Republicans will do that?

She'll be off titing at thewindmills of the vast right wing conspiracy the was she has for 35 years!

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Russ Naranjo — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:27:37 GMT

The Clinton-Obama fight won't hurt the Democrats. It will help John Edwards. The voters realize real hope and change doesn't come from politics as ussual.

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Mike Brooks, Eugene, OR — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:27:55 GMT

The damage was done a long time ago. I am an Edwards supporter and the dirty campaign of the Clinton folk against him made me (and my entire family) decide that we would rather vote Republican than for CLinton. Now, it appears that Obama is in her machine's sights and this only confirms it. Frankly, I cannot figure out where she is getting any support. In my home state (Oregon), normally a Democratic stronghold, McCain would easily beat her - the first Republican Presidential victory in modern times. The Clinton's are corporate pawns, racists, crooks, and scounderals - essentially, Hillary is Bush in drag, her sole support the shrill radical (read: "lesbian")feminists and gay rights nutcases and the like minded self serving Wall Street yuppies.

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Dr. Sharon Bourgeois — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:28:02 GMT

Sexism is alive and well!! Obama's campaign mamager Jesse Jackson jr is allowed to criticize Hillary!!. When she responds back it appears to be unacceptable. It is easier to criticize a woman than a black man. (LETS BE REAL). Keep in mind they are both democrats,however I am convinced that Barack is a conservative. He should run on a conservative ticket.NewYork Democrat.

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Darrick, Hillsboro, OR — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:28:10 GMT

Was Bill Clinton a great president or was he just the benefactor of the dot com bubble?

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ProudMarineWife, IOWA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:28:21 GMT

Clinton is a SORE loser! She said she wouldn't be negative, and she is! She has HORRIBLE ideas for America. She already had her chance to "run" America when she had her hand up her puppet of a husband. I am sick of her volunteers calling my house telling me I "SHOULD VOTE FOR MY OWN RACE, WOMEN!" "DON'T TURN YOUR BACK ON YOUR FELLOW WOMAN, STAY TRUE TO YOUR RACE!" I started getting these calls in DECEMBER! Live people calling on her behalf to tell me to stick to my WOMAN RACE! Frankly didn't know that the female species was considered it's own race! Or was she just having a hidden undertone for her actual skin color! She has had many mistakes in her life that she won't own up to, and hasn't shown her "experience"! Experience as WHAT a First Lady? Does that mean I have experience in my husband's field too! I am proud to say that I am confident that if she ends up with the nomination that the Republicans can BLOW HER OUT OF THE WATER! So it wouldn't really matter. Would love to know why she keeps sending out others to attack Obama rather than just say it herself, coward and lier is she. Just keep in mind what campaign she was running before hand when she thought that she had the nomination without even working for it! The only b!tch that should be in the White House should be that of canine descent! Keep in mind that you can't trust people who don't open up or tell you the truth! She didn't stand up for women when she was in the whitehouse and won't ever!

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Shelley Timmer, Rock Valley, IA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:28:21 GMT

I believe that Obama and Clinton are both just fighting for what they believe in and that they both want to be in Washington in 2009 to lead this country. As a woman, I do understand Clinton's views and that it still continues to be difficult to be a woman in America and get the same respect as a man. It has brought the issue to the foreground, there is no way around it. But, the big question here is who is going to be able to bring both parties together and get the work done once in office and it is a big job because of the mess that Bush has left our country in. My vote is for Clinton, not because she is a woman, but more importantly she understands politics and how the many other politicians work and think and I believe she will do everything in her power to get this country steered back in the right direction. Does not the work she already has done speak to how passionately she loves America. Is that not what we need?, not whether one is white, black, woman, Muslim, Christian,but plain ole American!!

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Barbara C., Pompano Beach, FL — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:29:10 GMT

Giuliani was in my home town of Pompano Beach yesterday in Florida. I was wondering why no one was on the road coming back from seeing a movie on the west side of town? Could it be the "Mystical Mayor" of NYC drew that big a crowd down here by me??

On Clinton and Obama....if either make this about race or gender and the important issues get lost in there somewhere....look for it to be very hard to beat McCain, who is a Moderate, and is gaining in popularity right now. As of this writing, Hillary is leading on the Dem side in So. Florida. You have a lot of older women who are voting for her down here where I live.

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D. Fortner — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:29:36 GMT

What continues to bother me is when referring to the Clinton campaign and their strategies they are constantly referred to in the plural "The Clintons"..so I guess they really are running as a team? I mean, I don't keep reading the O'bama's.

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Kym — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:37:13 GMT

I just don't get how people can believe that the Clinton's would ever diss the african americans. They have fought for them for years. The media keeps spinning this it will cause further division within the party. We need to be careful here because we are falling into the hands of the republicans.
Laura, St. Louis, MO (Sent Monday, January 14, 2008 11:21 AM)

Laura I am sorry but define what you mean by "fought for". This is a common rehearsed feeling in the African-American community, but please state specifics, because I am not sure I get it. Sorry but inviting a few blacks to dinner at the White House does not mean "fighting for", study what happened in Rwanda, Somalia, study the effects of the Patriot Act and how it has disproportionately affected African-Americans, study the effects of the Welfare Reform Bill, I mean really don't just through something out there.
I am not saying that Bill wasn't a good president, but there shouldn't be an automatic allegiance to him or Hillary, they did what was politically expedient at the time, not out of any loyality to the race. I mean be for real, and at the same time do not vote for a candidate because of their race or gender. It is really distasteful that every time Clinton tries to criticize Obama she/Bill minimizes the effect of a black leader "MLK and Nelson Mandela". If race didn't play a role then pick a different leader.
I am not voting for Obama because he is black, nor would I vote for Hillary because she is a woman, I am voting for Obama because in my heart that is a decision that will allow me to wake up with a clear concious, knowing that I truly did what I believed was in the best interest of my children and grandchildren. Those are the people that I have loyalty too. God help those that voted for Bush a second term, I wonder how soundly they sleep as parent's everyday get news that there children have been killed in a war that was unnecessary.

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Keith (NY) — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:37:57 GMT

I was going to give the Clintons a clean slate and let them run on topics and issues. The last week they decided to go Rove on Obama and it's shameful. Then they have the audacity to blame Obama for comments she makes? wow.

I'm voting McCain or Independent if Hillary gets the nod. My 84 year old mother and 27 year old niece is right. It's time for Obama.

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LV, Florida — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:39:30 GMT

Hillary did not diminish MLK's dream by her statement.
Let's face it, LBJ had the power and connections in the Senate to get the legislation passed. History documents the facts, read about it.

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James Duval, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:40:07 GMT

If Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic nomination, I can guarantee you that she will be crushed by the Republican nominee, simply because she has enough political, personal baggage to bring up. The Republicans just love to hate the Clintons and it will be the nastiest muck raking you ever saw. Even Bill's infidelity all the way from Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Monica Lewinsky, to Lisa Belzberg and Belinda Stronach will be a topic of discussion. If you think the Obama-Clinton race/gender issue is becoming nasty, wait till Hillary gets the Dem nomination. The country will be divided once more and we will no longer be the United States but the Divided States of America. It will be everything that Barack Obama fought against.

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Eliot, Los Angeles, CA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:40:29 GMT

Reading a number of the posts here it is quite clear many people are just not paying attention and instead are reacting to headlines and sound bites. Hillary is making a contrast with Obama. She is pointing out that leadership and change are not the results of a good speech. She is pointing out that his speeches do not reflect his own record. He had stated when running for the Senate that he would vote against funding for the war. Not the case. The press has not made the point. Obama has not been questioned in the debates about it...so finally Hillary is bringing it up. This is a policy point not a smear. Obama has thus far offered us inspirational speeches but little in the way of substance. This fact has been somewhat covered by the MSM but no nearly to the degree they have microscopically covered everything Clinton. Obama has said that Clinton doesn’t have the judgment to be president because of her vote on the war. Obama when a state senator voted “present” for a large number of important votes. Well had Hillary just voted “present” rather than taking a side then she would have the judgment to be president? And as for the race issue...the Clinton’s are not stirring this pot. They both have longstanding respected records on race issues and I think are simply comfortable enough with people knowing that and therefore they feel “comfortable” making a MLK comparison. Because they are white they are not allowed to make such a comparison? That is what I am reading in many of the comments here.
I do hope that people will hold the media responsible for what they are trying to do. The media wants this to be a story about race, and drugs etc. It helps them sell papers and get viewers. Hopefully people are paying enough attention to see that.

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anonymous — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:40:46 GMT

Can someone do a comparison of GW and Obama on, cocaine, length of experience, schools... BTW look how the drug use and experienced advisors helped GW.

We might just end up with polar opposites (not in a good way, just opposites), raising taxes instead of lowering, committing troops for human rights causes instead of business interest...

When are we going to get off this merry go round of electing people on pipe dreams (such as unifying Washington, I believe GW had a very similar message in 2000).

I am a democrat, and must say the best ones have already left the campaign. Now it is a popularity contest, there is a negligible difference between Clinton and Obama on the issues.

Also, anyone who believes that Obama is not running as negative a campaign as Clinton is DREAMING. He just happens to be rubber and Clinton is glue. This goes for the race and gender card for both.

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independents for the future — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:41:06 GMT

it is the clinton's running. bill is going for his third term despite the constitution. hillary needs bill to win and she will need bill's help to run the white house. the sad thing about that is she is more capable to run the white house than bill was when he ran for the white house. let's face it. without bill in the picture hillary wouldn't be in this race. she wouldn't be senator. it is bill's name recognition that has gotten her to this point. it doesn't mean she is less qualified. it is the truth. it is sad she is practicing bill's style of politics because she doesn't need him. she is qualified on her own.

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Janet Dickson, Pennington, NJ — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:41:10 GMT

The Democrats will always find a way to shoot themselves in the foot. Clinton and Obama are acting like children. My sense is that the electorate would like the candidates to rise above the fray and act like adults. My prediction is that John McCain will be the next president. I would love to see a Demorat, but if these two keep acting like this, I won't vote for either one.

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CL, massachusetts — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:42:12 GMT

It's worth repeating Hillary's ENTIRE quote on Fox News: "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed to Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do; presidents before had not even tried. But it took a president to get it done. That dream became real in people's lives because we a president who said "We're going to do it" and actually got it accomplished."

Why are we deminishing the power of President Johnson and the goal of such a great civil right's leader--MLK?

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Louis, Louisiana — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:42:44 GMT

I am a gay male who is catholic, republican and also cajun. Tell me what kind of minority that is. I'm a concerned citizen who has many views on many issues and do not care about stupid polls. I want to see a candidate that has their own voice to tell me what they believe and not say what the public wants to hear. So many issues are brought to the fore front in this campaign process that have nothing to do with how capable someone would be at running a country. It only serves to devide this country even more so at a time when we need to be united.

Ronald Reagan had the ability to unite people and made me proud to be an American. Our country was strong and other nations listened to us. I am embarassed at most of the candidates who use dirty tactics and bring up issues that have nothing to do with being a true leader and will unite this country creating change for the better and a future to look forward to.

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MAMN — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:43:36 GMT

Sen. Clinton said "while I was talking to the voters, I found my own voice" That is true, now she knows how easy to manipulate the innocent people’s mind and make them believe her acting. She thinks that by playing innocent victims role and showing the emotions and gender card that female can rule over the male, she is thinking that she will draw more female votes, but American female population will not be fooled by that. Also she obviously found her ill voice which bringing the most negative campaign strategy in democratic primary voting history. She is no better than dirty politicians who ignites the unfortunate controversial incidents and blame the other party. She did authorize the war and now saying she did not know if it would have given Bush the permission for War. This undermines her so called 35 years experience. She opposed the funding to the troops at war and blaming Obama to vote for it. She must forget that once the troops are in the middle of any war, it is our fundamental duty, either you for the war or not must need to help the troops with proper funds so they can win the battle. Shame to her for playing this Washington dirty politics which is dividing the democratic caucus. She should abandon her craziness about winning the nomination by hook or by crook. Her campaign of smear tactics of destruction should not be getting a pass from the media. Media is overlooking her guilt’s and putting right on Obama. The Clinton’s team is the one for this division and the wounds creating in the Democratic Party not the Obama.

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Danaelle Hawkins — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:43:52 GMT

Apparently the majority of you have no idea what you are talking about. Firstly, did any of you watch meet the press? She was induced to slam Obama on many occasions, and refused to do so, talking instead about her qualifications.
Secondly, she DID state some of the things she figures he has not done appropriately in his senatorial service, which is exactly what one is supposed to do in this contest. To do otherwise would be to run a shoddy campaign.
Thirdly, some of you are saying "the democratic party is now divided! Way to go Hillary, destroy the democratic party!" Umm, hey knuckleheads, pardon...your slip is showing! In case you havent yet realised it, the party was divided from the outset, hence the reason for more than one potential candidate...obviously, this applies as well to the Republicans. I believe this would be the reason for a primary? Duh.
As far as the comments about Hillary telling the teacher's union to pull the lawsuit? Obviously that would be a bad move on her part. SHE didnt tell them to sue them in the first place and were she to actually do that, those of you who think she should would turn right around and say she was sticking her nose into something she has no business sticking it into! Face it, you are just people who, for whatever reason, dont like Hillary. Well, FYI, there are a lot of us who do and who think she is going to do a wonderful job and WILL do what we can to help her get there. The people on YOUR side of the fence make statements like "I wouldnt vote for her if there was a gun to my head". Well, imho, that is about as dumb a statement as can be made. Regardless of your standpoint, if you cant see the good that the woman has done in her offices before, you just have some sort of blinders on. I wouldnt listen to anything you had to say because of that simple fact.

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David, Columbia, South Carolina — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:44:12 GMT

The number one issue is universal health care.

An important question to ask when interviewing management candidates is, "What's the basis for their passion to accomplish what we're hiring for?"

Barak Obama watched his mother die of cancer without adequate health care coverage. He has a personal passion to move health care toward care and away from centers of exploitation.

What is Hillary's passion for this? Nothing but getting votes. She failed the first time and now has the U.S. Senate record of taking the most money from the drug companies.

She speaks of 35 years of experience. Okay, what bold initiatives has she brought to fruition? None.

My management hiring instincts, which have proven pretty good over the years, points me strongly toward Obama to get us real results in the first term and not another Clinton "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" fairy tale.

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Beckwolf, Houston, TX — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:44:43 GMT

Gotta love how they bring focus to Obama using drugs and ignore the fact that the Clintons dealt drugs out of their law office. Neither is a plus, but I'd take a teen occasional user over a mature adult dealer any day. Of course nobody really cares about it, it's just like Clinton and his sex scandals. When it happens to a politician a person doesn't like, he cries that the person should be kicked out of politics. When it's a politician the person DOES like, he just cries to leave the person alone because the personal life doesn't affect the presidency. Those using past drug use as a reason to stand against Obama are looking for just that, an excuse, since I see those same people end up supporting the Clintons who took the same problem but were much worse.

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RICK RANGEL ,CLUTE,TEXAS — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:44:57 GMT

There was a comment from a reader that former indiscetions of youthful drug (or alcoholic)abuse
shapes the attitude toward a particular candidate
on whether they will vote for them or not.Those
indiscretions didn't affect voters'attitudes in the
2000 presidential election.Is this just short term memory loss?The only perfect man died over 2000 years ago.

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Ron, La Habra, Californa — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:45:03 GMT

First of all I am a African-American Male and this is all very unfortunate because we all know the following to be the facts:
a. Hillary and Bill’s words have been taken out of context and we all know that
b. We all know that Hillary and Bill have been working all of their political lives for equal justice for all people and especially for people of color.
c. The Republicans are the only ones that will benefit from this ridicules misunderstanding.
And most importantly, Mr. Obama knows that she was not disparaging the legacy of Dr. King and if Mr. Obama had the judgment that he always talks about, why didn’t he just defuse this non-issue by saying the following:

“I know what Hillary and Bill meant and we need to move on and continue to discuss the issues that are affecting the American People”

But he obviously wants this issue to fester and that’s not good judgment.

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Lazarus Cain, Chicago, IL — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:45:14 GMT

The fighting seems to be more of a charactersitic of the Clinton camp than the Obama camp.
Being a democrat with the desire to see them both on the same ticket it disgusts me that Hillary needs to direct attacks against Obama.
Hillary has lost my support because of this, and the thought that she may not choose Obama as her running candidate is of no comfort either.
Unfortunately between her and the Republicans there is not much of a choice now, but I am certainly not going to give the Republicans my vote, so Hillary will get it out of default, not because I like the way she is campaigning.
Certainly she can do a bettter job than Bush, but I am afraid she will not bring abnout enough change to undo the damage done by the Bush administration, and she is too much of a hawk concerning Iran.
She does seem to be playing both sides of the fence and unwilling to commit to anyhting of imprtance to the voter.
Obama appeals to the voter because he is easier to for a simple man to understand and is not so full of doublespeak which is a Washington insider trait.
I do not see so much of th eObama capmaign slinging mud at Hillary so the foul play is coming strictly form the hillary camp, and the avergae democratic voter should find this tctic repulsive.
Hillary needs to target the issues and to leave Obama alone.
What really disgusts me concernig hillary is her refusal to commit to withdrawal of troops from Iraq and to continue Bush policy with regard to Iran.

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Scott, Detroit, MI — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:45:17 GMT

People should know this. Some posters have put up identical posts on the CNN Political Ticker as well. "stop the witch hunt" is one of these posters. Hillary staffer?

Hillary injected race into this nomination process. Obama has not played, and does not play the race card. Hillary made some pretty stupid comments which downplayed MLK's accomplishments, then realized she sounded like an a$@, then has been trying to find a way to bring Obama into this. Obnoxious!

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Frank, South Hampton, NY — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:45:34 GMT

Folks you need to read full new's stories and not headlines. I am not a Clinton support nor a Obama fan however,let's be fair. I saw Bill C's speech about " A fairy Tale" and Hillarys speach with regard to MLK and it was not racist or undermining the accomplishments of MLK. The Obama camp started these rumors along with the media just playing small snipits of the the speeches. I am loosing a lot of respect for Obama. I seriously believe that no one can ever accuse the Hillary or Bill of being a racist. Let's stick with the facts.

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Ima Clam — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:46:09 GMT

I am tired of the media's focus on Clinton and Obama!!! Let them give more time to Edwards and I think he is the lessor of the phonies!!

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Robert, Mew York, NY — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:46:23 GMT

The Clinton's have decided that bringing race into the election plays to their favor...they understand they will lose the black vote, so are cynically banking that they can consolidate what they perceives as working-class whites who resent a "black" movement candidate. What better way to get them annoyed than to portray Barack Obama as Al Sharpton on Slimfast.

The Clintons have no class, no shame, and no chance of uniting this country.

I love Hillary getting credit for being "great" on women's issues while spending a career slashing and attacking the women that Bill cheated with...Gosh, I can't wait to pull the lever to have this psychodrama played out in the White House for eight more years...some change.

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Sylvia Denver Co — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:46:36 GMT

Hilary tried to focus on what she has done and once again the Obama camp twist's her words. If we are not supposed to focus on race then why does Obama constantly bring up that his father is from Kenya? If we are not to talk about his past with drugs then why can he talk about Hilarys past with her husband? He has yet to commit to a plan.... all I hear is "change" Some people want to hear how he is going to go about bringing that change. Obama continues to focus on being black.... mlk.... civil rights. I am a minority but I am not black. I would rather vote for a white person who has all races in mind then a african american who only talks about african american issues. I would perfer all canidates focus on pressing issues rather than who said what about mlk. But it goes to show you.... for all who promised it would not be about race.... it truly is.

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jane — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:46:59 GMT

like many others have stated and hopefully millions of americans will open their eyes to see whats really going on....which is that Barack Obama did not initiate this whole DR.King comment, Hillary did. Hillary is the one bringing up race while Obama has tried to take the dignified route and essentially ignore her. The TV news stations need to stop labeling it as a clinton/Obama fight and call it for what it is.
Hillary is a despicable candidate who will do anything to win her power hungry campaign. Her and Bill are absolutely despicable.

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Matteo Arnoco, New York, NY — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:47:05 GMT

With all due respect, this is one of the stupidest thumbsuckers I've read yet this election season. There's no "feud between women and blacks" emerging. There's a feud between two campaigns. Lots of women support Obama. Lots of blacks support Clinton.

The Democratic electorate is a coalition, not some fractious, Balkanized array of different tribes. Interests and identities overlap. There's also this crazy notion on the left, pace Martin Luther King, Jr., that "We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny."

That said, yes, the Clinton campaign's use of racial code talk and dog whistle politicking is repugnant and could, indeed, damage the party by driving away black voters should she win the nomination.

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Bryan Brouhard, Williams, Arizona — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:47:16 GMT

Of course the political boxing match will continue all the way to the nomination. So expect each candidate will raise thier opponents failings. Bottom line is this, the most nationally electable candidate will be the one viewed as having best grasp on the issues and will have the most experience to put forth solutions to those issues.

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Alex Lekas Asheville, NC — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:47:50 GMT

Regarding: "LETS CHANGE THE WORLD BY ELECTING THE FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT OF THE FREE WORLD."

Evidently, Margaret Thatcher in England, Golda Meir in Israel, and Indira Ghandi in India were not part of "the free world".
It is nonsensical letters like that, as though we're electing a senior class president, that make Clinton II even more difficult to take seriously. Aside from being married to the former President, exactly what has this woman done on her own?

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Opa2 — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:48:22 GMT

Since Obama can not win the General election, the Cintons are doing what needs to be done. You hate doing it but you have no choice. It's like putting an old dog to sleep. Gosh how you hate doing that but it is the best thing you can do for that dog. Gettting rid of Obama, while he is still usefull to the Democrats is the best thing the Clintons can do. So they do what has to be done and take the hits for it. In the long run it's best for everybody.

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Gary Utica NY — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:49:29 GMT

I agree with Debra - John Edwards may be the only democrat that can win (by uniting the party). The country can not afford another republican (and I am a registered republican).

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Karl, Trumbull, CT — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:49:36 GMT

"stop the witch hunt" - you are wrong - the first democratically elected female president in the free world (the whole world to be precise) was Vigdis Finnbogadottir president of Iceland from 1980 to 1996. I voted for her before I moved to the US and am ready to make history again to elect the first female president of the USA

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One Angry White Male, Bennington County, Vermont — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:49:43 GMT

"Witch Hunt" take down the caps, you're sounding just like your candidate now. Never, ever underestimate the ability of the Democratic Party to "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory".

Both Clintons, Johnson, Cuomo, Andrew Young, Bill Shaheen et al. are making millions of Americans question why we need to go through the bad part of the 90's all over again. We've got two other candidates still in the race who present an upbeat and unifying future for America rather than one of politics as usual, attack, slander and constant whining plus a bad soap opera in the making. Hillary and Bill shut up and do something constructive.

I'll say this that if the GOP comes to its senses and nominates Mc Cain and the Dems "coronate" Hillary, it will be my pleasure to celebrate the first term of President McCain 'cause that's what we're going to get.

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Daniel, South Carolina — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:50:31 GMT

This back and forth is really just designed by the conservative controlled media, which includes CNN, to turn people off by keeping issues of race(which makes many americans, black and white, uncomfortable). The more the clintons bring up race, they hope to make white voters sick of Obama. And the more the clintons do it, the more the conservative media hopes to turn off black voters, who may be so upset with hillary come the general elecion, that they just sit and home anxd refuse to vote.

If Dems lose enough black support during the general election, then Mccain could easily win the election.

the powers that be are afraid of Barack's mesage of Unity for the country; because they want to keep to business as usual.

I think we need to be a better people and a better country than that. Barak's message of unity resonated deeply with me, and all these race games the media is trying to play are pathetic.

One United America!

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Tammy — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:50:32 GMT

Didn't Bill smoke pot but not "inhale"?

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Vicki — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:50:46 GMT

Harlan Broers, Clara City MN - ONCE AGAIN..... Barack Obama is NOT a Muslim.... This LIE needs to be put to rest. It is unbelievable that you can be duped into believing this. Please do some research on this subject it is out there for you to see... don't let other people TELL you what to think

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Jason Smith, upstate NY — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:52:09 GMT

I live in NY, where Hillary takes votes for granted. Both Hillary and Obama have a similar platform. Hillary had indicated support for Bush in some issues, which should distress for Dems since she is apparently running on "change" now. She will be attacked, as Kerry was, for being a flip-flopper and rightly so, handing the election to the GOP.

She was safer touting her "experience", now she (and others) have jumped on Obama's bandwagon....and now SHE invokes the race card, and seemingly abandons the Hispanic vote by attempting to disenfranchise Hispanic voters in Nevada...

I am upset by her negative campaigning, as everybody knows that eventually Obama/Hillary will be running mates, so why is Hillary so vehemently lashing out at other Democratic nominees, when, if she is determined to sling mud, she should at least concentrate on the GOP which are like sitting ducks??? Huckabee even says faith will play no part in his presidency, yesterday, he was campaigning and the background had "faith" written all over it.....hypocrisy knows no bounds. I will vote for Obama now, who admits his mistakes, and relies on his own conscience and intelligence above the most recent polls, and does not engage in mud-slinging and negative campaigning, as Hillary does....with great reluctance, I would even vote for McCain if Hillary gets the nomination at this point.....

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Kimberly Peacock, Fresh Meadows NY — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:52:25 GMT

It is amazing to me that the news media distort the facts knowingly with 30 second clips.

What ever happened to integrity in news?

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KP, Chicago, IL — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:04:15 GMT

It is sad that people will play any card they can find to justify their positions. I'm very disappointed in the Clintons, especially allowing themselves to play nasty race games. This is all the Republicans need--an opportunity to say that the Democratic house is truly divided. Wake Up!!

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Lorena — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:04:54 GMT

God help America!

With all this bigotry and ugliness rising from the Demo candidates I wonder how well they will be able to make right and necessary decisions at the time of Presidency.

?????

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:05:02 GMT

Frank, South Hampton, NY - Please send me a link to the proof that the Obama campaign started these rumors... That would be an interesting read.... I can't seem to find that article ANYWHERE.... I wonder why... maybe because it is NOT TRUE....

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Marie, New Jersey — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:05:16 GMT

All this says to me is that the Clintons are willing to use WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY to get back into the White House. Hilary Clinton needs to know that she is not entitled to the presidency and that her ultimate goal to be president is not fait accompli. So please stop acting like it is. In fact, I would not be surprised if the Presidency goes to the Republicans when all is said and done. I cannot in all honesty vote for Hilary Clinton. Should she end up on that ticket this is one vote that the Democrats have forfeited and I hope it is one among many. we do not need anymore of the soap opera moments that accompanied the Clintons last run in the White House. She is right about one thing though, its time for CHANGE. And this change for me means making a clean break with the past not hanging on to any remnants of it.

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Daniel, South Carolina — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:05:43 GMT

The conservative media(which controls nearly all media, CNN included, is trying very hard to destroy the two best Democratic hopefuls-- Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

They want to turn off white voters by constantl printing stories about race, and issue which makes many whites uncomfortable. They also want to turn off blacks by making it seem unfair the way Obama is being attacked on racial issues, and focusing so much on race. What they hope is that whites will turn from Obama--destroying his campaign, and that blacks will be so upset with the way Barack was treated, that they will not want to vote come the general election.

I would not be suprised if this was all Orchestrated by Karl Rove himself.

Listen sane democrat, we know Hillary is not a racist, and we know that through Barack's entire career he has never used race to get votes. So let's tune out the sinister republican machine and conservative controlled media, and lets get back to focusing on the brillant Mr. Obama and the fierce Mrs. Clinton.

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Donna, Gorham, NH — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:05:48 GMT

There is no fight. This is one-sided. The Clinton team is trying drag race into the mix, and Obama is not buying it. Good for Obama and their team of professionals. This is not about race or gender, it's about how we are going to make America and the World better. Please Clinton team focus on the issues and stop attacking character. Your hole is getting deeper and deeper and you're draggin down the whole Dem party.

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J. Kobas, Perth, NY — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:06:14 GMT

Let's get real here folks. I was there for the 25 odd years of Democratic rule. They over spent, raised taxes, and cared only for themselves not the country.
The people got angry and wanted change...so they put Republicans in charge because they "SAID" we are for change!!
They continued down the same path, over spending and increasing debt for another quarter century!! The only thing that changed was the faces.
Stop fooling yourselves kiddies. Take the red pill and get out of the Matrix!
The grass root people are on the brink once more and WANT change, so it's time for another booster shot of bull feces.
The only real change you are going to get; regardless of who wins, is a new face.

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Julie Panizo, Skokie, IL — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:06:49 GMT

As a white woman in her sixties, I was enthused when Hilary Clinton said she was running for the Presidency. I thought of her as intelligent and perhaps she might do a good job. Now, however, after seeing and hearing her and her busband, Bill, make nasty comments about Senator Barack Obama I think it would be a disgrace if she was the Democratic party's nominee. She is now showing herself as a nasty, hypocritcal person. Since she apparently is unable to come up with some good ideas for the future of this country she resorts to attacks on the one person who is a genuine honest man who believes in uniting and changing the USA for the better. If Hilary is the nominee for President, I am switching my vote to the Republican candidate.

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LE, California — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:07:18 GMT

The most important goal Americans should be thinking of is not if they how "likable" but CAN THEY GET THIS HUGE JOB DONE?? Politics especially in Washington (and by the way that is where our government is run people like it or not!)is BRUTAL and not likable! Obama will get slaughtered in real Washington. He'll be giving pep rally speeches to those not interested in listening or changing! We have too much to lose and too much to accomplish to risk HOPING he has it, HOPING his "theories" work. CLinton like her or not, has proven the test of time. She is hard core and BEEN tested...here throughout all the good and bad is still standing and not just still standing but very much in the race. That says something. Everyone found Bush "likable and trustworthy" look what a mess America and the world is now! Go for the person who can GET THE JOB DONE, the one who THEY CAN'T beat down no matter HOW they try, and oh they do try!!
Hillary is in a league all her own, no one has stuck through it the way she has, I have every confidence she'll make an incredible President and turn this barge around and is what is needed for our country.

Consider this: If you were bleeding to death and there were two medics. One who is friendly likable and could cheer you on but with little or no experience but had good medical theories never tested, and the other a seasoned medic been through years of trauma and training, years of a track record of never giving up with amazing accomplishments in the field however a serious less charismatic person, less "likable" WHO WOULD YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR LIFE? VOTE HILLARY. SAVE YOUR LIFE.

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Andreas Koch, Burlingame, CA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:07:38 GMT

That the Clintons are using extremely dirty campaign tactics is sad but not surprising. I used to give them the benefit of the doubt but I am now unfortunately more convinced than ever that the "right wing conspiracy" against them was actually dead on as far as their character is concerned.

The Clintons have become a disgrace to the Democratic party. They have managed to manage the complete lack of credibility of the Bush administration. It would be a serious mistake for the party to nominate Mrs. Clinton. We would set ourselves up for resounding defeat in the presidential elections. Trustworthiness will be amjor issue and the Clintons score about as low as you can on that scale.

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Triplefish1, Alexandria, VA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:07:58 GMT

I'm kind of baffled at all this bickering between the two. Between the two candidates my vote goes to Senator Clinton. This mess we are in called a conflict is because of Who? In the beginning there was no way based on the tale we were told that we could get out of this mess. People, we will not just be able to up and leave Iraq no matter who's President. The repurcussions down the road are far greater than what they were when we first piled into Iraq. The Wrath of Sadamm will forever be a cloud over the U.S. I will say this for the two, end the clash because the only way America will win is if the two candidates band together. A Clinton/Obama ticket is much more appealing to me than any other. Bill Clinton has been the best President in my era and I don't see any reason why Sen. Clinton would not make an awesome President as well. I'b much rather have a Democrat in the office for the next 12 years than anyone else. 2 terms of Hillary and 2 more terms of Sen. Obama. It's going to take Hillary at least the first four years to cleanup the mess this country is in right now, anyway. Just my take on it. Realistically, whoever the next President is will have a lot of sleepless nights.

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Michael Ajayi, Bolingbrook, ILL — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:08:08 GMT

Obama should stop whining, and show us the beef. Hilary is quite correct, what can Obama show to the people of Illinois since he was elected as a Senator from the state of Illinois. Obama is a spoiler,and before anyone call me a racist, I am Black. I think Hillary is the best candidate for the democrats, she is battle tested, unlike Obama, hopes and dreams without substance will lead to just dreams. The Republicans are enjoying this. ( A House Divided )

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Al, KS — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:08:36 GMT

Did anyone question that Hillary was not involved with Bill's pardons. She said she was not involved. But she was involved in all other aspects of Bill's presidency...except the pardons...oh and NAFTA...and Monica of course. You can't have it both ways. Either you were involved and aware or you weren't. Which is it?

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Daniel, South Carolina — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:08:50 GMT

And another thing, all Obama said was that " Her comments were ill advised" and that was it. It is not right to blame Obama for this mess, because he made his remark and left it alone. We all know Hillary is not a racist, solet's leave her alone. It is the media, which i remind you is conservative controlled, who is bringing this issue up again and again and again. It is the media who is trying to pit dem against dem, woman against man, black against white. And it is the dems who will lose the general election, by turning off white and black voters alike

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M. Whitney, Ivor, VA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:09:15 GMT

You know it really don't make any sense. Both Clinton and Obama seems to be very good qualified candidates. For me it's not a black or white thing, but for me I want the one that make a promise to get in office and keep the promise. All this name calling and finger pointing is unnecessary. If the truth be told everyone that is in office from the White House to the outhouse has done something in their lives that they regret or pray nobody find out about. We were all young once and made silly mistake. Clinton and Obama cease with the name calling and finger pointing and in the name of Jesus the person will win. Let's work together.

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Bryan, Monroe WI. — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:09:16 GMT

It seems that there are some people using Obamas past to use it against him, when they should relize that those mistakes would only make him stronger as a person. Just for the remarks that I heard about his past will only make me a stronger supporter for Obama!

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CDH, Highland, MD — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:09:18 GMT

Are you all kidding? Who gains by this? Certainly not Senator Clinton ahead of the South Carolina primary. This is being driven either by the media or someone outside the Clinton camp. She meant no disrespect to the Rev. Martin Luther King. There is no reason for thinking she doesn't have the highest respect for him. But, if as all of you believe, she is a calculating politician, there is no benefit for her to have done days ahead of the MLK holiday or ahead of the first primary where blacks are a majority. it would be nuts. and she is not that.

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Ernest Levi — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:09:36 GMT

I have not voted in a general election since the Nixon era when he promised to end the war in Viet Nam but given who is running 'HRC' I will vote to keep her and slick Willy from getting in office..enough of the lies already

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SteveM, Signal Mountain, TN — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:09:40 GMT

Hillary has brought up a good point: what about the role white folk have played in giving blacks civil rights?!! Not MLK but rather LBJ!! Can't you just hear Lyndon Johnson famously say, "I have a pen" ? Perhaps we should have an LBJ Day instead. Remember, "It took a President" :)

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David Ables, Holt, MO. — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:09:42 GMT

Why does the major news media outlets ignore the fact of Obama's membership in the United Church of Christ in Chicago and their obsessive isolationist African only racist mentality. I could care less about the Clintons, but I have deep concerns about a person who is a member of a racist church sytem leading our country.

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M. Whitney, Ivor, VA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:09:43 GMT

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Florence James, Upper Marlboro MD — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:10:39 GMT

I am a former admirer of Hillary Clinton. But, as a life-long Demomcrat and an African-American woman, I am appalled at the "no-holds-barred" approach her campaign has been taking to erode Obama's candidacy. (I am equally disgusted, offended and even embarrassed by Bob Johnson's comments.) The Clintons have shown themselves to be so power-hungry that they will stop at nothing to get back into the White House. It will be very hard to repair the damage they are doing. And people wonder why they are described as polarizing!!

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Dot, Illinois — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:10:39 GMT

While King was the leader of the civil rights movement it took both of them to pass the Civil Rights Bill and take the dream a big step closer to being realized. We are not there yet.

Curt, New Jersey (Sent Monday, January 14, 2008 11:25 AM)

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Exactly, so why this is even an issue is beyond me.

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Ashley — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:11:10 GMT

Does everyone notice that all the Clinton support is coming from women? I see what appears to be the "lets elect a woman at all costs" crowd. It is not what she stands for but because she wears a skirt. That the Clinton's are liars and mud slingers has nothing to do with it.

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Mitch Pelley Butlerville, In. — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:11:47 GMT

None of the Dem. candidates are saying much about the immigration issue. What I can't understand, is why when a huge majority, want to stop the drugs, and all of the illegal activity, all I hear is Amnesty! What about the rights of the citizens of this country, who overwhelmingly, want our elected reps., to simply enforce the Constitution, and make this a safer Country? That's my relevant question, anyone answer that?

Thanks,

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Carrie, Elkridge, MD — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:12:50 GMT

IMO it very much matters if a candidate has had past drug use. I want to know if the person running for president is a pothead or a cokehead. In Obama's case, he's a self-admitted drug user and that is not conduct becoming the President of the United States, therefore, it disqualifies him in my book. Why does the press not talk about this?? Why is he getting a free ride on this issue?? Why are the other campaigns not supposed to talk about it either??? I believe it is extremely relevant to talk about candidate's past mistakes. By their past conduct, be it negative or positive, you learn what shapes that person's "judgment"...and isn't that what Obama is always saying, to look at his "superior judgment"???

Ed Nunn, Warren, Michigan (Sent Monday, January 14, 2008 10:12 AM)

The reason it is not talked about is because our current President was also a drug user and although he tries to blame it on "youthful indiscretion" that becomes difficult to buy when the person in question is in his thirties. Obama, by contrast, was young, has admitted the mistake, and acknowledges that it set a poor example. It is one reason why he is so committed to public service now.

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Drew, Atlanta GA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:13:30 GMT

I have heard so many people speaking about Baracks past cocaine usage however I am not hearing anyone speak about Bill Clinton not inhaling marijuana. Everyone has skeletons in their closet and the person that is going to get my vote is the person that is brave enough to admit that.

Bill, Before you and HRC and Bob Johnson start critizing Barack maybe you should fess up about your past transgressions and then maybe people will respect you.

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Zizzy Balooba, Manchester, NH — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:18:22 GMT

I would vote for someone who had tried drugs before I would vote for someone who uses smear tactics. The former shows curiosity and normal human behavior. The latter shows immaturity, low self esteem, and social retardation. People who use smear tactics have something to hide, or nothing to offer.
I, for one, am not impressed by sandbox mentality and behavior.
These things are convenient distractions from the real issues. Get out of your pharmaceutical, anti-depressant, hypocritical, drug using fog and wake up to reality.

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felisa chattanooga tn — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:19:23 GMT

I was willing to give Hillary a chance, not after Sunday. Not about the race issue, it's all about her voting for the war and not apologizing for it.

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Anonymous Nebraska — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:19:46 GMT

Re-submitted due to spelling errors and
a seemingly vain attempt at getting it passed
the language filter.

Political Wisdom from Nebraska

The election year has come
With a great and hurried pace
But now we have the media
Talking about issues of color and race.

This is oh SO ill-advised
for either you on this path
for you run the risk of incurring
the electorates vicious wrath.

Please remember it is your mascot
That has the cloven hooves.
If you think yourselves most pious
Just who are you trying to fool!

Lead by example,
Is the advice I give to you.
Steering clear of those issues
That will cause your followers to brood.

It has been now 17 years
Since the promise of National Care.
Just where have you been recently?
John, Hillary, Obama…WHERE?

The children born in that election year
May now have children of their own.
How long will they now have to wait
Until that promise is driven home?

You need to start playing nice boys and girls,
Because I really just don't care,
About the color of your skin,
Your money, or even that of your hair.

You all have a parents wisdom, folks
But still, mine I will let you borrow.
Be sure the hooves you step on today,
Aren't connected to the *** you've got'a kiss tomorrow

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Stacy, Virginia — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:19:55 GMT

I think the Democratic party was spilt before the primaries. As soon as Hillary Clinton entered the race I started hearing from long term Democrats that they would not vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstances. The only addition I see now is that her negatives are just going higher with the independents. I worked for John Kerry even though I didn't support his nomination because I am a Democrat. I tried to keep an open mind about Clinton because I am a Democrat. But after the last couple of days I can say without a doubt that I will not vote for Hillary Clinton. The only way I would vote for her is if Bush was running again, and we all know that can't happen. So I am supporting Obama and if he falls I will keep my fingers crossed that McCain of Rudy get the Republican nod so I can vote for them.

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Dee, Tucson, Arizona — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:21:37 GMT

If Obama and his supporters cannot handle what The Clintons said than he better hang it up right now.
Wait till the Republicans go after him. How is he going to handle that? Also noticed often when Obama speaks he has his arms crossed in front of him. That has always been a no no for public speaking. Indication he is not open to others and is self centered.

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Warren, Lincoln, Virginia — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:22:22 GMT

I voted for Bill twice. I defended him to my family for 8 years. It's 2008 and I am SO DONE with the Clintons that I can't even express it sanely. They're just jealous that they aren't the ones at the front of a movement. Dear Bill & Hillary, be smart enough to know you are part of the problem

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Carol Anderson,Px Az — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:23:03 GMT

The Clintons enjoyed the 128 White house parties that the gave to the crooked $ donors who supported Bills candidacy. The filled a uhaul with white house artifacts and got caught and returned what was left. THEY DON'T CARE ,I'VE NEVER SEEN SUCH POWER HUNGRY POLITICIANS . Bill skirted the constitution to pas the 2 term limit so that his wife could get them back in the white house.When they left the white house they did,nt even own a house after living in the Gov mansion 2 terms and 2 terms in the W.H. But the diclosed over 40 million when she filed to run in this election. S.C Nevada and Mi. send a clear message that Clinton politics are over once and for all. And to the one or two of you who feel that all is fair in politics to protect this couple, thank God you are in the minority.

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John, Philadelphia PA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:23:30 GMT

I'm not biting. The Media is just hyping this riff. Once we have a candidate, this will be just a faded memory. It's just politics. The fences will be mended and the Dems will set their sites on the republic party.

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Ben, Chicago, IL — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:25:14 GMT

Obama isn't mentioning of this garbage and he never asked everyone to sympathize with him as a minority by crying and claiminig everyone is ganging up on him. I will never ever vote for Clinton. Bill used drugs and lied about it. If anyone wants to go back into the Clinton closet again and take a look around they're welcome too, but I remember, and I don't want to go there. Neither should they......

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Maggie, Portland, OR — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:25:18 GMT

This mess between Obama and the cause, Billary, has finished me as a Dem. voter. I'll write in Bloomberg even if he dosen't run.

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Tacoma WA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:25:26 GMT

Neither Clinton is to be believed. Both of them have shown that they will lie rather than tell the truth, when the truth would do. If Hillary is running for President because she thinks it now is "her turn", she is dead wrong. Anyway, I'm really tired of the same old Bush-Clinton-Bush-(+)Clinton. God help us all.

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Ernesto — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:25:35 GMT

Isn't it interesting that the Democrats penchant for political correctness is now devouring one of their own on the "race" issue. And isn't it interesting that we all knew the "race card" would be played at some juncture by the candidates. There's no getting around it. Race is and will always be an issue.

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lionred — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:25:54 GMT

Obviously from this message board, all the Obama idiots are trying to attack Hillary Clinton. Attack all you want Obama worshippers, you still haven't changed my mind. I voting proudly for Hillary Clinton. When it comes to experience to be best President, she has Mr. Lazy beat. If Obama gets extremely lucky and happens to win the nomination, then I'll just vote Republican. Hillary Clinton in 08!

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MPG - San Francisco, CA — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:26:30 GMT

Hillary "found" her voice and she's using it to spout foolishness. Shame on you. You're spending valuable time and energy commenting on the lowest denominator. Please spend your time convincing the American people that you are the best qualified PERSON for the job as president and tell us your vision and plan to lead and protect this country and defend our constitutional and civil rights......if not, you'll lose your "voice" and thereby the American vote.

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Diane, Los angeles — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:26:41 GMT

Bottom line to all of this for me is I think Obama is more authentic and will be a unifying force. I believe Hillary will not only have more difficulty winning a general election (she is so disliked by so many people) and I think she would be polarizing if elected. I think the Dems really need to look at what's important - uniting the country and working together and I really don't believe Hillary is the one to do it.

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ignore the pundits — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:28:39 GMT

i'm an INDEPENDENT and FEMALE.
i like both Hillary and Barak.
i would vote for Hillary because she has the experience necessary for the enormous problems facing our country at this time...
NOT because she is a woman.
It's the PUNDITS whom are dividing the "Dems House"...
with their dubious analysis of the presidential contenders, forcing them to defend themselves and/or
attack each other.
When Hillary is portrayed as too sensitive, not sensitive enough, shrill, trying to "look" this or that...reminds me there is still a gender gap, a glass ceiling, mysogenists, etc....
...and that DOES make me want to vote for her regardless of her qualifications!!!!!

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David DelPrete — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:01:08 GMT

Stop picking on Hillary!! I have voted for many wonderful politicians in the past like Gov. Duval Patrick, Senator Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton, however, no one has the inner confidence and leadership qualities that I believe she possesses..Hillary 08!!!

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mg in Nashville — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:07:50 GMT

I am so disgusted with Hillary Clinton I can barely put it into words. I don't think she is a racist, I think she is a calculating, manipulative, triangulating, dishonest politician. She will say anything to win, regardless of whether she destroys the party in the meantime. I will leave the democratic party before I will vote for her.

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Todd, Los Angeles,CA — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:52:39 GMT

It is alarming that politics in America has come down to he said she said...wait! Obama has said nothing. He is simply trying to run his campaign with out falling victim to the problems that consume political system in the first place. I am an Obama supporter for many reasons, but I can't tell the American people enough how disappointed I am in the Clinton's. Congrats to the Clintons, they have proven that they are good, if not great politicians. What this country needs is a voice, not politics, let the house of reps do that...which is another debate in its own right. Senator Clinton is playing with the same building blocks and it's hurting her party and if elected will hurt the country. When who ever enters the White House next year does, we as a people can only hope and pray they do what they say. Leadership comes from all types of sources, but hateful commits comes from only one...the Clinton camp cares only about their legacy and nothing more. No man or WOMAN is entitled to Presidency. PLEASE I implore the media to stop making this seem like a fight between Obama for ratings and point out the facts and the facts are Senator Hillary Clinton is putting her foot in her mouth...what's next " She did in fact have sex with that intern?" Obama is a true image of equality across the American board and if he admires MLK and JFK and their speeches then more power to him.

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laura elwin, Sammamish, WA — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:58:12 GMT

I am shocked at some of the above comments... I
guess what I've been hearing in the media is phoney... From his own lips, I have heard Obama attack Hillary Clinton. In early debates he said
that she was not trustworthy and honest, then Edwards
went on the attack and Obama sat back and let Edwards
do the nasty attacks. Even lovely Elizabeth Edwards,
who I admire greatly, said some nasty things about Hillary. I cannot imagine anyone sitting back and not responding to these attacks. Obama consistently
injects race into his speached...on Sunday he compared the Civil Rights Movement of MLK to his
call for a "Yes we can" movement. Telling us what we need. We know what we need. What does he plan to
do about it....haven't heard anything of substance yet. I find that he has changed from the first time I watched him on Oprah. He is more egotistical and arrogant. Sorry, I just don't know much about him and the media has given him a pass by not asking the tough questions that are leveled at Clinton.
On Meet the Press, Tim R. asked personal inappropriate questions of Hillary Clinton. She answered gracefully. Has anyone asked Obama personal
questions. We all learned of Bush's DUI after the fact and God only knows what else will come out about him in his personal life. Questions were asked of McCain which he answered. Why is the media
giving Obama a pass. As a voter, I need to know something about the man running for president.

For the Clinton bashers, love the way you enjoyed making money while President Clinton gave us a good economy and the rest of the world respected us.

Our fight is with the Bush Administration and what they have done to ruin our country, not about race as the media is promoting. But, wake up, Obama is
working it for all he can. The Clinton's are for
all races and have proved it. Stop bashing Bill Clinton. He was not perfect, but show me someone who
is. The media is having a field day...wake up voters and use your own brains.
Laura, Wa.

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Chuck Booth — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:59:10 GMT

The Dumocrats will lose no matter who they run

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Jeff Seti, Syracuse, NY — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:12:11 GMT

The "party" people were having in the excitement of seeing a woman being pile upon and kicked when whe was down; all the hateful posting about Hillary people are posting here are amazing the world. It show how phallocentric this society still is. America should be proud to have such a brainy daughter who might just do great things for this country! The hatred has become so ugly that most of people don't even realize they are dripping ugliness in the way they talk about their American "sister"! The most amazing thing is the attitude of Hillary-hater women! Do they realize that all these attack are actually directly to woman. Yes, gender matters. Should we think Germany is so much in Advance on America gender wise? Wake up ladies, Hillary is fighting bigots' glass ceiling for all of you!
Bigot's know she can be a damn good President, and they can't stand it. Remember the "Iron My Shirt" picketing in NH?
People, please re-read what you write against this lady and look at yourself on the mirror of that page. It reflect who you are inside...

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Don't do them myself, But... — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:37:22 GMT

I like Obama, and I'll vote for him in the general if he wins the nomination, but I disagree over that drug thing. It's important to bring up and it needs to be addressed in the primary, not the general. Not that I hold drug use against a canidate, but I feel any politician should be called on to answer on how they would prosecute this drug war; and with a history of drug use, further answer of whether they believe people having done the same things they've done should be in prison, and if so, ought not that politician serve time in prison, and if not. The drug war remains a powerful issue in this country, and politicians who casually acknowledge drug use yet fully support current policy make me nuts. Someone needs to speak up for some sanity and balance while in office.

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T. Ruthspeaker — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:47:32 GMT

I am really not getting the appeal of Obama. I liken this to Germany in the 30's mesmerized by this man for no apparent reason. He's dangerous. I believe his not putting his hand on his heart during the national anthem and refusing to wear the american flag were subtle messages to the muslim world of where he stands. Yes, go ahead and call me crazy. Germans turned a blind eye too and look what happened. I am comparing Obama to Hitler. He has millions of Americans fooled. He is as dangerous a leader as this planet has ever seen.

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VICKY BIRDSONG, PROSPECT, TN. — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:54:51 GMT

JUST WHO IS THIS MAN RUNNING FOR OUR PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY?? OBAMA? HERE WE HAVE A MAN WHO ABSOLUTLY WILL NOT RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGENCE? AND WILL NOT EVEN PUT HIS HAND ON HIS HEART WHILE WE RECITE IT??? IS THIS THE SO CALLED MAN WE WANT RUNNING OUR COUNTRY? PEOPLE I BEG YOU TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THIS MAN BEFORE YOU TURN OUR COUNTRY OVER TO HIM. THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE NOT REGISTERED TO VOTE GET OFF YOUR REAR AND GET REGISTERED, YOU SAY YOUR VOTE WON'T COUNT? WELL BELEIVE ME IT WILL COUNT THIS TIME. READ YOUR NEWSPAPER OR LOOK ON THE INTERNET,FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR???? YEAH CLINTON,SHE'S GOT MY VOTE.

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VICKY BIRDSONG, PROSPECT, TN. — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:08:03 GMT

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James Duval, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:20:49 GMT

Dear President Bill Clinton,

You had an excellent run as President for 8 years and you had our wholehearted support from the very beginning. You turned this country around in the most dire of times and brought us hope and prosperity. But for the sake of the American people can you please step aside and let Hillary do her own stumping and campaigning. Not only have you become a distraction, but you are annoying almost to the point of repugnance. If we are to choose Hillary as the Democratic nominee and President of this glorious country, then please let her sell herself and tell us in her own words why should choose her as the nominee. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that Barack Obama is light years ahead of your campaign in this regard.

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G. Gonzalez — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:47:55 GMT

In response to Tim Russert’s first question Sunday morning, she said, in part:

I don’t think either of us wants to inject race or gender in this campaign….I have no intention of either, you know, doing something that would move this race in a wrong way or, frankly, sit standing by when I think tactics are being employed that are not in the best interests of our country.

And then this:

You know, I think that we don’t want anyone, any of our supporters, anyone — and that’s why, in my campaign, any time anybody has said anything that I thought was out of bounds, they’re gone, you know? I have gotten rid of them, I have said that is not appropriate in this campaign.

“Any time anybody has said anything” is as unequivocal as it gets. But…

Bill Clinton isn’t “gone.” (”kid” — could be read as “boy”; “fairy tale”)

Mark Penn isn’t “gone.” (”cocaine,” in the immediate wake of the Bill Shaheen-planted seed of doubt about whether Obama was a drug dealer — Shaheen had not said “cocaine”)

Bob Kerrey isn’t “gone.” (”Hussein”; “secular madrassa”; “Muslim Manchurian candidate”; “Islamic Manchurian candidate”)

Andrew Cuomo isn’t “gone.” (”shuck and jive” — derogatory slang for African Americans, akin to “foot-shufflin’ Negro”)

Robert L. Johnson isn’t “gone.” (”…Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood — and I won’t say what he was doing, but he said it in the book”)

The anonymous “Clinton adviser” isn’t (as far as we know) “gone.” (”imaginary hip black friend”)

The fact is, whether or not Clinton has told any of these staff or surrogates that their racially charged remarks were “not appropriate” — and there is no evidence that she has — Clinton hasn’t “gotten rid of” any of them.

After putting this to Clinton at tomorrow night’s Democratic debate in Nevada, here’s a question for Russert to ask her:

Senator, you told me on Sunday, and I’m quoting you directly: “I don’t think either of us wants to inject race or gender in this campaign.”

You said: “I have no intention of either, you know, doing something that would move this race in a wrong way or, frankly, sit standing by when I think tactics are being employed that are not in the best interests of our country.”

Then you said: “I think that we don’t want anyone, any of our supporters, anyone — and that’s why, in my campaign, any time anybody has said anything that I thought was out of bounds, they’re gone, you know? I have gotten rid of them, I have said that is not appropriate in this campaign.”

Given that all of the people I just mentioned are, presumably, still with your campaign; and given the apparent absence of any disapproving response from you to any of their remarks…

Are American voters to infer that you believe that all of these comments were “in bounds”?

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G. Gonzalez — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:54:45 GMT

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mike, torrington,wy. — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:57:39 GMT

nice!

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iljas kosova — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:04:47 GMT

for hilary klinton votes

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iljas kosova — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:07:33 GMT

for hilary klinton votes

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Goran A., Jerusalem, Israel — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:25:00 GMT

There have been UNTRUE claims Obama is a Muslim because he was born Muslim, his father was a Muslim and because as a boy he attended a Muslim school in Indonesia.

(Note that according to Islam converting out of Islam is forbidden under penalty of death; and this is why fundamental Islamists may se Obama as an "apostate" and might threaten him in the future.)

However, Obama has compounded to the simmering fuss by not coming out straight (probably not out of dishonesty but because of apprehension of stoking the controversy): he said he is not and never WAS (note the past tense !) a Muslim (and had his website confirm this denial) which is simply untrue. (see home page of site of Dr. Daniel Pipes)

Of course everyone is entitled to his religion, and having been a Muslim is in itself not sinister, but voters MUST be told the truth, and know whether the Islam which his boy's soul was exposed to (especially during Friday sermons in the mosque his father occasionally took him to) was of the "hate-the-infidels" type. I am not American but I know from my own experience how much the American school I attended me AS A BOY affected me (in a positively way!) for life.

Very probably Obama was not adversely affected, BUT it's frightening if (just IF) he was. After all, as President he would be in charge of the US army including nuclear weapons!

This is why he must be asked PUBLICLY and directly so that he can clearly and explicitly set the record straight about the pure truth of the matter.

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G Davis — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:28:00 GMT

Toni C, I really like your arson analogy...mind if I borrow it? ;0

The Clinton's can't help themselves. It's sad to watch this for them, the party but most importantly for the country.

Hopefully the electorate will stand up to these sorts of politics...from anyone. Vote hope, not fear. Vote unity, not divide and conquer.

BTW, I echo the calls for the media to quit framing this as a fight...it's a Clinton dirty trick smear to keep their powerstructure in place.

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Lee, NYC — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:39:04 GMT

How full of himself Obama is, he in no way like JFk,
MLK a true activist (not all talk, but action). He is nothing like either man. By the way MLK was not trusted by the white population as a whole, MLK spoke up for justice, Obama does not, and he trusted by the masses of whites, because he stands down, not up and
pretends he can unite people. I wonder how many whites that voted in primaries so far, are socializing with their black neighbors if they can find them. Unity my eye.

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Lee, NYC — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:46:11 GMT

David, SC, Barack Obama will not give you Universal Healthcare, he barely wrote up a proposal, until Hillary Clinton wrote her's up seven months after John Edwards did, and was praised in NY Times as the best healthcare proposal. You are not going get anything unless you vote for John Edwards, check out his website.

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Lee, NYC — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:56:39 GMT

Janet Bailey, nh, you are all wrong, Hillary said that LBJ signed the civil rights law, and it wouldn't have been fulfilled if he had not, the amendment had to go through Senate and congress and signed by the President, no way what she said put down the Preacher and Activist to encouraged people to do the right thing. Obama's campaign turned her words into a racist issue, Obama is not MLK, and never will be, he never stands up for anything concerning black people, he is full of crap. If you in NH, voted for him, you are doing yourself and this country a great disservice, and as democrat, the Republicans may win this race if Obama becomes the nominee, WAKE UP. You should have voted for John Edwards, the peoples President.

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Dawn W, Phoenix, AZ — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:55:39 GMT

Why don't they campaign to Americans, instead of breaking everything down into racist and sexist lines? Why can't they behave like adults and stick to the issues? This kind of nastiness, twisting-of-words and smearing has no real place in this important contest.

Details about their plans to address real issues would be far more relevant. The facts and telling the truth would be such a refreshing change.

Instead, we have the Democratic Presidential nomination race playing out more like a bad soap opera. It's disgraceful, shameful and does a serious disservice to the voters they [claim to] want to represent.

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kam alabama — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:22:13 GMT

it's interesting to see the mad scramble by the clinton posse. first there was bob johnson, now charles rangle. i guess they are are the only two people outside of bill and hillary, that feel she said nothing offensive. quite frankly, it was a slip of tongue at most. however, why all of the backpedaling? obama simply addressed what she had said--damn we all heard what she said, a slip of tongue. let us not forget that, bob johnson bought us b.e.t.'s uncut--not the best look for black women, and rangle wanted to bring the draft back, just imagine the impact on young black men--as if a draft would level out who dies in iraq (well to do whites would simply do what they did in the during vietnam, for their kids, remember g.w.'s non service.) oh yea, regarding the clinton's contributions to black america. more black men were sent to prison during the clinton administration, than any other in u.s. history. remember, this guy has slumber parties in kennebunk port. in short, m.l.k. was is more than a figure in history, he IS an institution. he may not have signed any legislation into law, but he did put his life on the line, time, and time again. lest we forget.

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Kenny NV — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:28:46 GMT

For a long time people in America have said that Bill Clinton was the first Black president. If you look at Bill Clinton or at least when I look at him I see a White man. Bill Clinton wasn't the first Black President, Bill Clinton WAS THE FIRST WHITE PRESIDENT THAT CARED ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE!!! I said that to say this. Hillary just made a big mistake by allowing this man Bob Johnson to say what he said at her rally. I think that she feels just because he is Black he has the right to say what he said. This is the same type of OLD, TIRED, WASHINGTON politics that we have been seeing all along. All she is doing is further dividing this country, I expect this from Republicans, this is what they do. So when Barack indicates to the country WE NEED A CHANGE YOU ALL NOW KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT... IF Mrs Hillary Clinton can't control rich contributors that give to her campaign HOW IS SHE GOING TO RUN THIS COUNTRY?????

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Kimberly Peacock, Fresh Meadows, NY — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:17:29 GMT

It did take a washington insider to achieve the MLK dream. History shows that behind virtualy every great change exists a partnership between the change agent and the establishment.

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c edgar, carlisle, pa — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:49:25 GMT

I'm amazed that even in the midst of this historic moment in our history (ie: the fact that there will be a woman or a black man nominated by the Democratic party to run for President of the United States)that the press choose to make irresponsible statements intimating that Obama and Clinton are fighting about race. If you read exactly what O and C have said, it is not in the least racist.
The press are still living in the late 50's or worse are baiting the public in order to undermine and trivialize the significance of these candidates. No matter your party affiliation or position relative to center; we are watching history and should be listening to the candidates and not the pinheads who spin what they say....edgar