Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Adam, Pittsburgh, PA — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:06:34 GMT

There was simply no lawsuit until the endorsement went to Obama. In fact, the Clinton campaign *openly endorsed* the Nevada policy before they lost the endorsement. Unbelievable.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Jason Warren, Sacramento, CA — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:19:56 GMT

It's interesting that Mr. Bill (I actually voted for him) and his wife are tag teaming Obama. I was pro Hillary at the beginning but have found myself going to vote for Obama based upon his principles and strong ability to show that he doesn't need to be negative to run against his opponent. Their has been plenty of talk about Obama vs. Hillary "the race card". When in actuallity he hasn't said a word about being black or competing against a woman. I think Clinton campaign needs to re-check their strategy, start worring about the support from the American people and not how they're going to attack Obama's character. Hillary also needs to watch how she relates to certain "groups". Check out this link regarding her "chips and guacomole" remark. Remember everyone. To check all your sources for information. The truth is out there.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Jason Warren, Sacramento, CA — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:20:26 GMT

fogot the link:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/14/navarrette/index.html

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

S.K.M. Mass — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:22:54 GMT

January 19th happens to be a Saturday, and that Saturday happens to be one of Las Vegas' biggest Saturdays. A lot of people in the working class will have to go to work. A lot of them are minorities. This gives them a chance to vote rather than be disenfranchised. It's my opinion that Bill wasn't suppose to comment on the lawsuit.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

tgirlstt, Atlanta, Ga. — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:24:40 GMT

Your bad, Senator C. Now we got your number. You should have thought before getting hoof in mouth disease!
Now all of a sudden when you realise that many who are African American and were sitting on the sidelines trying to make a decision, are leaning toward Senator Obama, you call for finding "common ground". Too little....too late. I don't want any president of mine being so divisive.
You need to muzzle your husband and those African Americans who have taken your bait to wrongly blame Senator Obama for your gaffe, while you try to climb above the fray that YOU created.
Get a grip and get back to the issues at hand.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

diane — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:28:39 GMT

"When asked next about the Culinary Workers endorsing Obama over Hillary, Clinton claimed that the campaign's voter outreach found that many members actually support his wife."

And we are suppose to believe him. rrriiiiiight.
Bill lies like others breath air so, I take what he says with a grain of salt.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

RobK, Seattle, Wash. — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:32:17 GMT

Funny how the lawsuit went forth AFTER the endorsement.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Marbw — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:33:10 GMT

Take a look at this regarding voters(scroll down to Nevada):
http://www.jacksonlewis.com/legalupdates/article.cfm?aid=1015

AND THIS:
Letter from Nevada Teachers Opposing Caucus LawsuitJanuary 14, 2008
Ms. Lynn Warne

President

Nevada State Education Association

3511 East Harmon Avenue

Las Vegas, NV 89121

Dear President Warne:

As teachers in Nevada, and members of the Nevada State Education Association, we are deeply dismayed that our union is trying to stop our students’ parents from caucusing on Saturday. We urge them in the strongest terms to drop this lawsuit immediately.

Many of our students are Hispanic Americans and come from low-income families. Their parents are construction workers, McDonald’s employees, and other shift workers on the strip, who work around the clock, and won’t have time to travel to their caucus locations on Saturday. That’s why the state Democratic committee set up nine at-large precinct locations on the strip – to provide nearby caucus locations for Nevadans who otherwise wouldn’t be able to caucus.

These at-large locations were approved back in March of 2007, and no one raised any concerns about them for nearly a year. But now, our union is filing a lawsuit making the baseless charge that these at-large caucus locations are discriminatory, when the fact is they were set up to make sure as many Nevadans could caucus as possible.

This lawsuit is all about politics. It’s widely known that many of our union’s top officials support Senator Clinton and now that the Culinary Workers Union has endorsed Senator Obama, they’re using our union to stop Nevadans from caucusing for Senator Obama.

We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what’s right for our students, but that’s exactly what they’re doing. As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support.

Sincerely,

Tamara Anderson, Elementary School Counselor

Monica Baldwin, 3rd grade teacher

Jodi Brant, Government teacher for 12th graders

Mari Calderon, Kindergarten teacher

Jessica Cohn, 3rd grade teacher

Ketica Guter, 3rd grade teacher

Sarah Irby, Kindergarten teacher

Padmini Jambulapati, 7th and 8th grade teacher

Tracy Kamhi, 10th, 11th, and 12th grade teacher

Jennifer Kehs, 4th grade teacher

Clara Munk, Primary Reading teacher

Matthew O’Keefe, 4th grade teacher

Frances Rabbitt, Special Education teacher

Chantae Readye, 5th grade teacher

Jessica Tolliver, 1st grade teacher

http://thepage.time.com/letter-from-nevada-teachers-opposing-caucus-lawsuit/

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

sonya, atlanta, ga — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:36:06 GMT

And three of the plantiffs were on the board that approved the caucus at large venues at the casinos.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Anyone but Clinton — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:40:37 GMT

Do you like how the Clintons behave? You want four more years of this crap?

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

George NYC — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:42:10 GMT

It's absolutely disgraceful that NBC has taken it on itself to censor Kucinich's ideas. What are the 3 candidates who voted for the patriot act, funding for Iraq, bigger deficits, and military spending going to debate? Personal attacks? Is that what you're into? Certainly not issues. Some debate. Let Kucinich speak.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:42:37 GMT

More Clinton hypocrisy. The ironic thing is that by endorsing this lawsuit (actually they are the source of it) the Clintons are blocking the Latino vote. Latinos are a key voting block necessary to win in Nevada. And then what spill over effect will there be in California? Sometimes I think they act (and speak) before they think. Is this any way to run a campaign? Is this any insight into how they would run the country?
Obama '08

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Sam Winters — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:43:44 GMT

Former President's behavior only reminds me of the
famous Quote of Dale Carnegie " two men looked out
through the prison bars, one saw the MUD other saw
the STARS." You the Voting public has to decide, who
is hateful? who wants the power so badly ? Who is dividing the Democratic party for their selfish needs?
Who will bring the country together? Who is the leader?
In history all the good leaders are also the best
Orators, Which clearly Mr. Obama is.I rest my case.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

IOwa — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:46:35 GMT

Its also funny that when one of the Teachers Union people was asked, by Chris Mathews about "what teachers would be working on Saturday night", he came back with some poor excuse about a bunch of staff having to be at the schools because they are polling places. And then when asked why they waited so long to file a complaint, when this issue was approved almost a year ago, he claimed that they just found out about it! Then of course it comes out that 2 or 3 of the people that are filing these suites where actually ones that approved it a year ago! And of course they are Hillary backers! I myself am a teacher, and i live in Iowa, and I did participate in the Caucuses, and my precinct was in a school and let me tell you, there where NO teachers "working". And if he is talking about janitors or something then he has got to be JOKING!!! And of course old Bill Clinton is out putting his foot in his mouth again and acting like a major a@#. This of course doesn't surprise me a bit, after all we are talking about THE CLINTONS!!!!! A DISGRACE to the WHITE HOUSE and AMERICA!!! PLEase America don't put this kind of garbage back into the White House!

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Ashwin, Sacramento, California — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:50:15 GMT

Funny but does anyone here get it how we are influence and the who are the people influencing us. Are you influenced by Obama or Clinton or Edwards because of them...or are you influenced by the media coverage of them.
So Clinton got to run because she became famouse as first lady...then Obama got to run because ot that speech in the '04 convention..right. So I ask again, are we influenced by the candidate or by that candidates popularity. If not than why would those two early primary states be so important in launching some people.

I feel that Nevada should vote independantly. And if voting is allowed at one work place than it should be allowed at every workplace that has people scheduled to work...eg Airports and hospital...oh and fire depts too..and malls..and grocery stores and corner pharmacies and gas stations...and laundrmats(thats an idea)

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Jim L. Irmo, SC — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:56:57 GMT

I want to second what others have pointed out, the Clintons and their backers, and the national Democrats, and the state Democrats, all signed off on the plan before the endorsement. It was voted on, everybody thought it was okay then, but now...

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Cathy, Upstate NY — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:57:00 GMT

Hillary Clinton is not responsible for putting forth the lawsuit. It is about all the other voters in Nevada who don't think it's fair that THEY do not get a Temporary Caucus Site set up in every single one of their workplaces like the culinary workers do. Whoever heard of such a thing? Why would you single out certain workplaces and grant them their own personal caucus site in their place of work, but not afford the same luxury to EVERYONE? It does seem to be an unfair practice, and if these were endorsers of Hillary instead of Obama,you would all be applauding that very same lawsuit! This lawsuit did NOT come from Hillary, it is a disagreement between people who live in the state, so stop trying to sling more mud!!! Hillary '08

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Kevin, SF CA — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:02:00 GMT

The timing of this lawsuit is so suspect. Talk about disenfranchisement - and the Clintons are the ones doing it using some perverted sense of logic that they'd easily be on the other side of if it benefited their campaign.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

chuck — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:03:57 GMT

I can't believe the Clintons are really this Rove-like. I was one of their biggest fans in the 90's. Was I wrong about them all along or has ambition (and Bill's guilt) led to them to act this way?

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

nadeem, Canada — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:05:50 GMT

Bill has lost it.

After all this silliness he will be lucky to get $1 for a speaking engagement.

He has all about gaining power at any cost, he might as well be a republican.

Say no to a Clinton third term. Its the constitution stupid.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Sharon — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:06:36 GMT

Why is everyone so upset?

Just wait until tomorrow; the Clinton campaign will be back with a clarification on what Bill REALLY meant. Also, everyone who speaks English and who thought he was endorsing the disenfranchisement of hard-working Americans will realize they once again misinterpreted what he said. And the die-hards will be telling the rest of us that we're wrong again.

How do people still support this circus? Seriously. Do women really want this woman to be the crowning achievement of the woman's movement?

There are so many extraordinary female CEOs, Senators, and Governors in America who should be in line to lead this country before Senator Clinton. Why do we have to put up with this crew? I realize there are many women out there who believe that voting for Senator Clinton is "showing the boys who's boss." But shouldn't we all be asking ourselves, "is this who we want as the standard-bearer and the prime example of what women can achieve?"

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

sam — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:15:25 GMT

I think Obama's response is actually pretty funny - brilliant and funny.

Hillary and Bill both put their feet in their own mouths but tried to blame Obama for the uproar that their comments caused, even though he really tried to stay out of it. Remember, it was members of the black community who were calling into radio programs to say they were offended by the remarks, not Obama.

Obama lets them stew for a while, as the black vote starts peeling off of the Clintons, then after a few days, he steps in to take the high road after the damage is done. But, the important thing is that the damage was done BY the Clintons, to themselves.

It’s not Obama’s job to jump to their flippin’ defense, especially after the way they treated him in December, with three of their staff caught spreading those "Obama is a radical Muslim" emails, and Hillary’s NH co-chair, Shaheen, bringing up his drug use. And now, Hillary goes on MTP before the Nevada caucus to totally lie about his record.

I don’t feel sorry for the Clintons. You reap what you sew.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

sickofitall — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:22:32 GMT

surprise, surprise ... another load of crap from the clintons. those caucus sites aren't just for casino worklers; ANYONE working within a 2-1/2 mile radius can go there. and the teachers' union? last i checked, teachers don't even work on saturdays. so what's the point of their suit again? oh, yeah - sour grapes 'cause they thought they had the culinary workers' endorsement sewn up!

lordy, what scumbags.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

PBrown — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:24:14 GMT

I wish Hillary Clinton would go away and take her Senior Citizen Husband with her.......

This is not the time.....this is not the place.........We have dyer things going on in America.....And only thing the Clintons are thinking about our the Clintons...They are completely obsess with POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Jackie, Washington, DC — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:24:58 GMT

It pisses me off, that's what it does. And honestly, the more and more Bill talks, the less respect I have for that man. I used to think he was a great president, a great public speaker, a great guy. Now, he's turned into this grouchy old man that has become quite the liability for Hillary's campaign.

Despite if you support Hillary or not, you have to question the timing of this lawsuit. Sure, some argue that it is unfair. But one, they've had six months to file a lawsuit. But they decide to do it 2 days after the Culinary Union endorses Obama. Second, it's sad to see teachers from the teachers union write an open letter, condeming the actions of their president based on politics (read the open letter on Kos). And third, if this was held in the middle of hte week and they made caucusing easier for not only the workers on the strip, but also teachers, I'd be all for it.

Hillary calls a truce on the race thing because it didn't work out. She couldn't make him look like a typical politician because he didn't let this issue get to him. Now, she is going to allow unions to fight and bicker and drag not only Obama's, but her name to the ground? Pathetic

There is something to be said about D.C. politics...living in the city, it's pretty much all you are surrounded with. People who live outside and have never lived in the District can't quite comprehend when I say that these moves by Hillary and her campagin are right out of traditional, Karl Rove-esque D.C. politics

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

ikie12pts — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:25:11 GMT

This whole thing is going to divide the democratic party and we'll lose the White House again. All for egos....I am sick of all of this. I was going to vote for Hillary, but this is the dumbest assed move I've ever seen for somebody who's supposed to KNOW how to be a politician. (Bill too).

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Anderson, Savoy, IL — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:28:21 GMT

I know this is somewhat of a special circumstance, but has any other former president been so active in a campaign before? I don't recall GHWB being anywhere near this active for GWB. Does this guy have any respect for the office he once held? Day after day, he appears to indicate that the answer is an emphatic "no". After they repeatedly show themselves to be slime balls talking out both sides of their mouth (and both sides are lying!), how can anyone want more of this in the White House???

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

amar singh — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:30:09 GMT

Reading the comments of "Hillary Haters" I feel that no matter what she did, they will view it as negative...it is matter of perspective. In my humble opinion, when she talks about her 35 years of experience, she is talking about her involvement in some or the other cause ever since her school/college days. I believe that just like true wisdom does not come from how many degrees one has achieved but how much experience in life one has and what he/she has learned with that experience...in the same way, one does not necessarily hold a certain office to have experience. Besides in her case, she has proven that she quite capable of that (in her capacity as a senator) and even more importantly, she comes with the greatest advisor (Bill Clinton) on her side...one who balanced the Budget left behind by the 12 years of republican administration...and left the office with the country back in surplus...all that wasted by the current administration. Had the republicans left Bill alone to do his work, he could have done so much more, but that would have been contrary to republican agenda of making rich richer (hypocrites) that is why they kept him distracted with all sort of lawsuits and the impeachment issues in his second term. I consider myself an independent and just for the clarification, I am NOT a Clinton lover, but I like to give credit where it belongs. Besides, I do not like to sit and watch people bash another person just because they have formed a baseless bias against a person. To further clarify, my favorite candidate for the office is John McCain the only candidate with integrity, convictions and honesty...as much as there are number of issues I disagree with him as well. Besides him I consider pretty much all republicans as greedy for money and power, with no heart for the less fortunate...believing in "LIFE" but not respecting it once it is born...quick to take away school meals at the same time giving the tax breaks to the rich resulting in once again the largest deficit in American History. People loose their homes while Exxon Mobile announces the largest profit ever of $40 Billion. Ending I just want to add, no one is perfect but in spite of Hillary's faults I believe that she believes that she can make a difference. I am a man but I wouldn't mind finally seeing a woman as a President. Several so called third world countries (Myanmar, India, Pakistan, England, Bangladesh, Indonesia...) have beaten us on this front...it is time and I think we have a strong woman candidate. I personally do not see race as a big issue therefore do not have same sympathetic view for Obama, although I like the guy...quite charismatic...however lacking experience..... Peace...

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Hans, Reno, Nevada — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:31:38 GMT

Obama will probably end up losing this race for democrats with his obsession with the race card. I viewed and then read the entire transcript of the Meet the Press from Sunday.
There is nothing even remotely racist being said by Senator Clinton or President Clinton.
What a bunch of losers

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

PollM, Dallas TX — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:32:25 GMT

Watch Video response by Hillary.

"The caucus idea is for neighbors to get together to argue and talk about their choices," she said. "The problem is that if you have a limited period of time, as I pointed out long before anything happened in Nevada, you're going to essentially leave people out who can't be there during those one to two-hour periods of time."

Should Caucuses be held near workplaces or in home precincts?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1523

.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Michael James — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:33:47 GMT

The statements coming out of Bill's mouth lately make "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" look downright truthful in comparison. Yeah, Bill, everyone should play by the same rules -- you know, the ones everyone agreed to way back at the beginning?

If Bill and the teacher's union were so concerned about the caucus rules, why did they fail to speak up back when the event was being planned? Once the state party leaders decided to conduct a caucus, it is automatically unfair to a lot of people who cannot attend at the apppointed hour or are physically unable to participate. That said, Nevada decided it wanted a caucus and no one objected to any of it until after the union endorsements for Obama.

"State Democratic Party officials disputed the lawsuit’s contentions.

“This has been a fully transparent process,” party spokeswoman Kirsten Searer said. “These rules have been approved by the Democratic National Committee and the campaigns have been fully informed throughout this process, which started in May.”

(snip)

{Lynne Warne} acknowledged that she did not approach the state party about the problem.

“We’re approaching them now,” she said.

The Nevada State Education Association has not endorsed any candidate, Warne said.

The other plaintiffs are Dwayne Chesnut, John Cahill, Vicky and John Birkland, and Patricia Montgomery.

Some of them were active backers of Sen. Dina Titus’ 2006 bid for governor. Titus, of Las Vegas, has endorsed Clinton..."

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/12/voting-stripa-no-no-suit-says/

One of the comments posted to the LV sun article pretty much nails it:

"The plaintiffs were made fully aware of this on 11/3/2007 a their State Central Committee meeting and said absolutely nothing.

Most think we didn't provide enough delegates to the 9 Strip sites. The Strip sites were actually announced way, way back at the launch of the Nevada Caucus Commission, and all of the plaintiffs were in attendance and silent and the DNC approved.

Lynn Warne admits not talking to any of us first before filings. That alone will toss this.

This is a party meeting, not an election, where the US has no jurisdiction to provide injunctive relief. They may have had more success in District Court here, but still this will be tossed.

This has HRC minions all over it using persons in elected party leadership, all on the SCC, who could have voiced their concerns on 11/3/2007, or way back when this was announced in 2006!..."

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Nobama 08 — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:38:42 GMT

MSNBC, the creator of non stories. Everyone knows a caucus is undemocratic. What MSNBC fails to report, what a surprise, is that those that would vote in those "special" locations where the union can "intimidate" its members to voting its way gets some where close to 6 - 1 voting power. Meaning each vote counts 6 times more than any other location. How bout that sexist Chris Matthews reports on that? If Obama wanted everyone to be able to vote, why not have a primary? No bother. MSNBC will be changing their tune when Hillary wins Nevada, ties SC and destroys Nobama in Florida. Better get the race card warmed up again.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Bill, Boston — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:47:20 GMT

Let Kucinich talk.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

alison — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:49:14 GMT

actually Cathy - som info you may want to have:

(a) The attorneys who filed the suit in LV are all Hillary backers - and it was championed by Rory Reid (Harry's son) who is the Clinton Nevada Chair
(b) Many letters have been written by union members (you can go to the LV Sun) listing their names - to their union management objecting to the Teachers Union instituting this lawsuit (and that the Union principals have all endorded Senator Clinton so this suit is strictly political)
(c) Last MARCH 2007 - all the members of the Nevada Democratic party voted on the caucus sites and signed off on them -- so this is not new info (the only NEW info was that the Culinary Union did not endorse Sen Clinton as she expected)
AND LASTLY:
(4) even if all the above was set aside - and even if other parties would have liked additional caucus sites - why would disenfranchising one group - on one of the busiest holiday weekends of the year - be something any fair minded people would object to

oh and yeah-- MONDAY is the legal MLK holiday and the schools are closed -- they are also closed Saturday --so why is the teachers union of Nevada suing for on site caucus locations so their janitors can participate in the caucuses?? The caucus us two hours 11 - 1 Sat morning/aft -- and as no school till the following Tuesday - a more reasonable way to allow the janitors to vote (and less costly to the state that additional hastily arranged caucus locations) would be to give them those two hours off --

The schools would still be clean and ready to go by the following Tuesday

There is no logic to this lawsuit - which is why it will be dismissed assuming the Judge it is assigned to is not in the "pocket" of the Reid family in Nevada

Thought you'd like the facts

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Dr. Ashley, Chicago, IL — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:53:48 GMT

Hans---you need to read what was said before and then after MTP. Sir, you need to be a bit more thorough with your research...again, Americans need to read more and listen to the media less.

1.Obama's name was mentioned by Clinton in regards to the MLK comment, if you check the ACTUAL FACTS, he could not have distorted her comments, because he hadn't said anything about them.
Hillary is playing the race card and gender card and it's pathetic.
Now, I do feel her comments were misconstrued by the 2 other (non-Obama affiliated individuals...but Obama had nothing to do with that.
I'd like to see Hillary come out and admit that she screwed up and misspoke by mentioning Obama with that staement...but I'm not holding my breath.

2. Bill Clinton is not running for president. He needs to simmer-down with all this rhetoric. He's not only ruining his legacy, he's causing a major turn for voter against Hillary. Bill...Keep you nose out of it...This is not your campaign.

3. OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT.

Everyone needs to understand the series of events as things are happening, the media is doing a horrible job at clipping bits and pieces of speeches and footage to create good spin for the debate.

Read what really happened and you'll agree, just as I convinced my sister...Hillary is lying...Obama is honest.

OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT....HONESTY, DIGNITY, RESPECT. HUMANISM, that's what I want to see return to Washington, not more political game-playing and nonsense.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

alison — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:57:09 GMT

Hans - in real life the person who picks the fight is usually considered the one at fault --

In this case: Senator Obama has run a campaign devoid of race - he is not Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton -- he is in the unfortunate spot of being portrayed as "not black enough" for some and "too black" for others --

Senator Obama has not commented on Senator Clinton's statement other than to say she likely mis spoke

This evening Senator Obama - once again - took the high road asking for a "truce" to get back to real issues --

In rocket speed time: the Clinton campaign sent out a memo also asking for a cessation to the conversation

The difference is that as the Clinton memo was being distributed; another Clinton surrogate; Charles Rangel of NY (which as a New Yorker who liked him really upsets me) came out calling Obama "stupid" and in another line "dumb". He also said that Obama put his teenage drug experiences into a book (written in 1996) just to sell books.

So Hans: you decide who has the clean hands in this dust up that threatens to tear the democratic party apart --

The campaign whose surrogates include: Charles Rangel, Bob Johnson, Bob Kerrey,Andrew Young, Joe Wilson, Billy Shaheen -- need we go on

or the campaign of Senator Obama

Perhaps you would rethink your post with all this info (all readily available back up on the web)

Good Luck finding hope

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

sickofitall — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:59:54 GMT

hans, please put down the kool-aid. obama NEVER said anything about any of the comments until he was asked about it sunday. he's NEVER made an issue out of the many off-the-mark things the clinton cronies have said about him (shaheen, kerrey, cuomo, the "imaginary black friend" thing, etc.), so whatever race card your alluding to came out of the clinton's tainted deck. and since you're in nevada, what do you have to say about the subject at hand: your candidates' sleazy attempt to block thousands of nevadans to vote AFTER the caucus site plan was approved 'cause she didn't get an endorsement she thought was entitled to her? hmmm? talk about sore losers!

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

jdr — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:01:55 GMT

If Hillary is so pro labor then why does she have no qualms about hiring a union buster to be her chief strategist.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/06/16/hillary_and_mark_penn/

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

AVERY — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:02:44 GMT

nobama
I am sure the people who run MSNBC would be thrilled to know they have the power to determine the election process and how it is conducted--

also: as I live in Florida - the Dem Nat'l Party stripped us of our delegates counting when the State Party moved the Primary up a week before Feb 5th -- so like Michigan -- Florida primary will be a hollow victory as no delegates will count on the democratic side

When we get to the Nat'l Election Florida will count as we elect President Obama

nobama makes nosense

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

ST, Houston, TX — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:53:55 GMT

I'm glad to see that there are people out there that are actually following politics and voicing their outrage to the Clintons' latest antics. I used to support Bill a lot, but now, I look at him as a pathetic man, desperate for his wife to become President so that he can tack on to his legacy. Of course, my perception of Hillary gets worse and worse as she continues to allow her surrogates to lower the quality of this election by speaking half-truths or flat out lies. Seriously, Obama can run such a clean campaign, and every week or so, Hillary or Bill (or some surrogate) seem to make comments that the media "misinterprets"...how can that be? Either they are in desperate need of someone to script their responses OR they're simply playing Rove politics because running a smear campaign is easier than running a clean one. I am just so tired of this kind of politics. It is time for America to bid farewell to the Roves/Bushes/Clintons once and for all.

I'll also add that as a woman, I am ashamed that "our" first candidate for the Presidency is so sleazy. My only comfort is that her over-eagerness to fight for the sake of fighting has shown its ugly face yet again, and Independents and Republicans are also watching so she'll never be the first President for sure regardless of who the Dems nominate.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Frank Magno — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:12:44 GMT

its in public market. Barrack Obama's used of crack
is in his published book.It's generally public. Why can't we ask him about his usage of cocaine? When was the last time he used it? Did he sell some to his fellow
junkies? As regards to his economic stimulus plan, of distributing 250$ to each of the worker. Yeepeee. Is is this in cold cash? In kind-credit? Or in the form of food stamps? This is great. This will propel
the manufacturing sectors to create jobs, produce more, and provide high-source of stimulant to the
drug addicts, with additional money to buy crack, thanks to the government and Senator Barrack. No more
crack.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Frank Magno — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:18:03 GMT

Senator Barrack Obama. I can not find any convincing
idea, plan, and or achievement that he would be voted as
President of the most powerful country in the world. with secret case wherever he goes ready to detonate
our missiles. Is he ready to be entrusted with this?
Hmmmpp. looks like he has still milk in his mouth,

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Frank Magno — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:20:40 GMT

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Kevin Giampa, Clifton Park, NY — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:21:11 GMT

I think we should all just accept the comparison that Sen. Clinton so clearly made. For the remainder of the campaign, I will view Barack Obama as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and I will view Hillary Clinton as President Lyndon Johnson.

I'll be voting for Dr. King. The time is now.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Nevine Loutfy, London, UK — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:25:47 GMT

As a republican woman, I am truly insulted by the Hillary haters including the Media and the roles they continue to play to beat her up at every corner. Tim Russert, Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, etc. etc. whom I used to watch and listen to, are shameless examples of just that. No one is really focusing on the candidates economic and foreign policy plans, no one is truly scrutinizing the issues but all are jumping on the ludicrous ban wagon of sensationalism as a law suit in Nevada, race, gender, tears, fairy tale, speeches, etc...always going for the tangential and inflammatory sound bites that have no value in helping choose a leader of our country.
None of that helps advance our understanding of what the plans are to cure an ailing economy, a messy foreign policy, the withdrawal of our troops in Iraq or how we will face the threat of another war in Iran. The Media continues to air on the absurd and advance sensationalism rather than analyze and contrast the stand of candidates on issues that affect the life of Americans. All you have to do is watch Hardball or Morning Joe since the primaries started, or even Meet the Press MSNBC video line up which for the first time does not have the Hillary entire show and still has John McCain's interview as the opening etc... I never wanted to believe that gender had anything to do with a country that is supposed to be progressive and promotes equal rights, unfortunately it is the case and the Media that is overwhelmingly male dominated is among the worst culprit here. Voters have time and again refused to follow the Media lead on candidates who ar unfairly promoted based on the Media preference, check McCain in 00. 'It is the Issues Stupid' not how great a speech is!

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Pure Fact! — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:31:18 GMT

Its Carville who writes the garbage for the Clintons, you can bet that when they get to Vegas!!!

HRC, was a mistake and remains a babbling lunatic! I would vote for for David Duke before another four years of clinton horse sheeit!!!

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Michael — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:42:53 GMT

Dr. Ashley, Chicago, IL
sickofitall
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Get your facts straight. Obama's campaign issued the following memo on Saturday:

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Subject: MUST READ: Key S.C. figure takes issue with Clintons

SHUCK AND JIVE

Clinton Supporter Andrew Cuomo, Referring To Obama, Said "You Can't Shuck
And Jive At A Press Conference. All Those Moves You Can Make With The Press
Don't Work When You're In Someone's Living Room." Clinton-supporting New
York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo said the thing that's great about New
Hampshire is that you have to go out and meet people rather than "shuck and
jive" through press conferences there. Cuomo said of New Hampshire on an
Albany radio station: "It's not a TV-crazed race. Frankly, you can't buy
your way into it. You can't shuck and jive at a press conference. All those
moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living
room." [Newsday, 1/11/08]

MARTIN LUTHER KING / LYNDON JOHNSON COMPARISON

Clinton, Criticizing Obama For Promising "False Hope" Said That While MLK
Jr. Spoke On Behalf Of Civil Rights, President Lyndon Johnson Was The One
Who Got Legislation Passed: "It Took A President To Get It Done." Clinton
rejoined the running argument over hope and "false hope" in an interview in
Dover this afternoon, reminding Fox's Major Garrett that while Martin Luther
King Jr. spoke on behalf of civil rights, President Lyndon Johnson was the
one who got the legislation passed. Hillary was asked about Obama's
rejoinder that there's something vaguely un-American about dismissing hopes
as false, and that it doesn't jibe with the careers of figures like John F.
Kennedy and King. "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President
Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act," Clinton said. "It took a president to
get it done." [Politico, 1/7/08; Video]

Clinton Introducer Said JFK Gave Hope, But Was Assassinated. Clinton
introducer: "If you look back, some people have been comparing one of the
other candidates to JFK and he was a wonderful leader, he gave us a lot of
hope but he was assassinated and Lyndon Baines Johnson actually did all his
work and got the republicans to pass all those measures." [HRC, Dover, NH,
1/7/08] AUDIO ATTACHED

NELSON MANDELA

Bill Clinton Implied Hillary Clinton Is Stronger Than Nelson Mandela. "I
have been blessed in my life to know some of the greatest figures of the
last hundred years. [...] I go to Nelson Mandela's birthday party every year
and we're still very close. [...] But if you said to me, 'You've got one last
job for your country but it's hazardous and you may not get out with life
and limb intact and you have to do it alone except I'll let you take one
other person, and I had to pick one person whom I knew who would never
blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions [...] I would
pick Hillary.'" [ABC News, 1/7/08; Audio]

DRUG USE

Clinton's NH Campaign Chair Raised The Youthful Drug Use Of Obama And Said
It Would "Open The Door To Further Queries On The Matter." Clinton's
Campaign Issued A Statement Distancing Themselves From Shaheen's Comments
And Shaheen Issued A Statement Saying That He "Deeply Regret[s] The
Comments." The Democratic presidential race took on a decidedly nasty and
personal turn, with the New Hampshire co-chair for Clinton, raising the
youthful drug use of Obama. Shaheen said Obama's having been so open -- as
opposed to then-Gov. George W. Bush, who refused to detail his past drug use
during his 2000 presidential campaign -- will "open the door to further
queries on the matter. It'll be, 'When was the last time? Did you ever give
drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?'" Shaheen said. "There are so
many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It's hard to overcome." By the
end of the day, Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer had issued a
statement asserting that "these comments were not authorized or condoned by
the campaign in any way." And Shaheen himself issued a statement: "I deeply
regret the comments I made today and they were not authorized by the
campaign in any way." [ABC News, 12/12/07]

Mark Penn, In Trying To Defend His Campaign Over Bill Shaheen's Obama Drug
Use Comments, Used The Word "Cocaine," Drawing A Rebuke From Edwards Adviser
Joe Trippi. Mark Penn, defending the Clinton campaign in light of Bill
Shaheen's comments about Obama's drug use, repeatedly referenced Obama's
cocaine use. Edwards adviser Joe Trippi accused Penn of dropping the word
"cocaine" deliberately. Mark Penn said "Well, I think we have made clear
that the -- the issue related to cocaine use is not something that the
campaign was in any way raising. And I think that has been made clear. I
think this kindergarten thing was a joke after Senator." Joe Trippie
responded and said "I think he just did it again. He just did it again. ...
This guy's been filibustering on this. He just said cocaine again."
[Politico, 12/13/07; Video]

FAIRY TALE

Donna Brazile Lashed Into Bill Clinton For Comparing Obama To A "Fairy Tale"
And Said "It's An Insult... As An African-American" And That His Tone And
Words Are "Very Depressing." Donna Brazile lit into Bill Clinton over his
insulting comments of Obama, where he called him a "fairy tale" and said "I
could understand his frustration at this moment. But, look, he shouldn't
take out all his pain on Barack Obama. It's time that they regroup. Figure
out what Hillary needs to do to get her campaign back on track. It sounds
like sour grapes coming from the former commander in chief. Someone that
many Democrats hold in high esteem. For him to go after Obama, using a fairy
tale, calling him as he did last week. It's an insult. And I will tell you,
as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing.
... I think his tone, I think calling Barack Obama a kid, he is a United
States senator." [Politico, 1/8/08]

Amaya Smith
South Carolina Press Secretary
Obama for America
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On Sunday, he attempted to deny the charge but ended up repeating it in his statement, which the MSM conveniently left out:

“I am baffled by that statement by the senator. She made an ill advised statement about Dr. King suggesting that Lyndon Johnson had more to do with the Civil Right Acts. I did not make the statement. I haven’t commented on the statement. For them to suggest that we’re injecting race as a consequence of a statement she made that we haven’t commented on is pretty hard to figure out. Maybe you can tell me and explain to me how we distorted her statement.”

Anyone who says the Obama campaign is not playing this is plainly selectively blind.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Greg, NH — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:45:31 GMT

"Woman's Movement"
I agree with an earlier post about finding a more suitable woman that would represent the woman's movement. As a guy, I can honestly say that today's women have the ability to contribute substantially to the economic growth as with any man. I have functioned under many sound-minded, honest, loyal women (including my mom - local politic) that have been the most greatest successors. However, I don't see Hillary Clinton as being one of those women. The negative campaigning, mud-slinging an demeaning attitudes does not represent well. If it came down to a choice between Condalizza Rice and Hillary, I would vote "other" and write in my favorite teachers name. I am a baby boomer and had the opportunity to experience Bills terms in office. I voted for him in both circumstances. I am totally surprised to witness all of this negative campaigning.

The ongoing criticism of every word Obama speaks. This sort of activity is juvenile and unnecessary.

Obama is speaking “change.” Change obviously requires a new approach to things that “were.” It wouldn’t be considered change if a person functioned in the capacity as they have always.

Hillary accuses Obama for selling rhetoric while at the same time, condemns everything he says by repeating “that’s not change.” Doesn’t she realize that this is a total contradiction? I never thought I would see the day that the Clinton’s would become so emotionally and psychologically instable. Is this a good choice for the white house?

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Gabriel, Las Vegas NV — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:53:19 GMT

Regardless of what Hillary Said about LBJ and MLK and who got what done is irrelevant.

She was working for the Goldwater campaign at the time. He was a republican conservative and WAS AGAINST minorities being able to vote period....

If Obamas adolescent drug experimentation is fair game so is this. At least he admitted to it, and said inhaling was the point...

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Michael — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:53:50 GMT

Another thing the media keeps misrepresenting despite Clinton's rebuke of Tim Russert is by using just a snippet of her statement. Here is the full statement:

"I would point to the fact that that Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the President before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done. That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became a real in people's lives because we had a president who said we are going to do it, and actually got it accomplished."

I challenge any Obama surrogates here to tell me how this remark became a racist remark. The statement is 100% true. It points to the fact that hope is not enough. If anything it was a critic of JFK and the presidents before him and not MLK.

Please Obama supporters educate yourselves before you ridicule yourself in this manner.

As concerns the drug-use issue. What is actually ironical is that it is a million times more racist to suggest that mentioning Obama's drug use is a racist statement, than actually mentioning Obama's drug use. Why would people consider Obama's drug use to be a racist thing unless they also believe that only blacks use drugs! Those pointing the finger need to realize that the finger is bent backwards pointing at them! Why is it OK for Obama to write about his drug use in a book but not OK for anybody else to even mention that Obama used drugs???!

So again I ask the Obama supporters: Why is drug use a racial thing? Unless YOU believe only blacks use drugs! If you believe that, then YOU are the racist ones.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Greg, NH — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:58:18 GMT

Sickofitall "sore losers"

You are aboslutely right; the clinton's are sore losers! If any of this was favorable to their campaign, rest assured, they would have nothing to say about it. However, because it is to the advantage of another candidate, it becomes unfair. How fair is that? To steal the right of ones ability to freely choose by toying with voters thoughts and feelings about their candidates and doing this on a door-to-door level is just as sleezy as any other notion. This is the game the Clinton's played in NH and I am a NH resident. I can personally attest for this sort of bad campaigning. Unfortunately for the clinton's, I didn't go for it. I can somewhat understand the debates; they are carried out so the public can get an idea what each candidate stands for but, I don't understand reasoning to have a volunteer, campaign manager or whomever, show up at my door and give me this whole spew on other candidates just to try to steal my right of choice. I was actually for Hillary until I experienced this shortly before (24 hours or a little less) the polls opened. I thought that was in the poorest of taste! I voted for someone else because I cannot vision being a support to this sort of faulty politics and I cannot see where this sort of faulty politics can function in the best interest of the United States public.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

G, NH — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:14:29 GMT

For those of you that are history buffs, Public Television is running a special on American Experience this week called "Oswald's Ghost." This explains the JFK, RFK and MLK, Jr., time frame. What I thought was amusing is that Hillary made a public statement that identified LBJ as in important key to establishing the civil rights bill.

For some reason, she failed to mention that John F. Kennedy and Robert worked on this bill for some time. After JFK's murder, Linden B. did endorse the bill however, was it his heart-felt commitment to civil rights that made him endorse or, was it because there was already the heat on the issue because of the Kennedy's and MLK, Jr? LBJ really didn't do anything for civil rights. He didn't engage himself on the front line as any of the Kennedy's. JFK and RFK are the ones that were TRULY responsible for the Civil Rights bill. He took advantage of someone elses hard work.

The big question is, if LBJ had to deal with the bill without the former hard work of the Kennedy's, would he have the commitment to establish the civil rights bill on his own? Probably not.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

jon battle creek mi — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:27:46 GMT

The Clintons are pathetic and will do anything to win.

What a disapointment they have become and they are both ruining Bills Legacy even more. They need to shut up and get on the Obama Train.

Nobody wants 8 more years of Bush Clinton

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Vashia Pav,Astoria,New York — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:39:13 GMT

Well, after all Obama is not Simon pure,and criticism of him is not inadmissible,surely?

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

mhaile — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:46:19 GMT

I'm sick of it all and we still have how many months left of this? I used to work at one of the strip hotels and when the Culinary endorsed Clinton in 1996, I didn't see them putting up a temporary voting place for us. So, why now? Yes, MLK will be busy with everyone coming in for the holiday, but there are other workers besides the strip workers who have to vote....when will we get the time? ANd, the strip is always busy. Funny, but other workers and myself always found the time to vote without the benefit of having a voting place at our hotel. This whole caucus thing is unfair period. And YES many Culinary workers will vote for Hillary. Not everyone is for Obama who is pulling the wool over his supporters eyes.He is a charmer, a talker and that is about it. At least the Clinton's have a proven record of getting the job done. When Bill was President yes he made mistakes, but he sure came through on all of his promises. But something goes wrong and it is always the Clinton's fault. Where is your proof? I thought that we were innocent UNTIL PROVEN guilty! But, alas, it is always easier to put the blame on someone then it is to have your actual facts straight.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Free Bladensburg Maryland — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:53:20 GMT

Dan Abrams is blaming the DC Media for fanning the flames on the race issue between Obama and Hillary.showing snipets from CNN,FOX and other media outlets.He should look at his own backyard first before throwing stones.Chris Matthews is,if not responsible for some or most of the distortion going on in the media today on Election 2008.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

martin — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:33:03 GMT

Hussein Obama is cold, calculating, dishonest, unethical, divisive

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Manuel Geily, Miami, Florida — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:56:22 GMT

This is just another Clinton backed abuse of power.
I would like to know if Bill Clinton would say the same words had the Culinary Union endorsed his wife.
If I were Obama, I would pull the same trick the Clintons pulled in Iowa: Mass transportation of the union members.And even this did not work for them.
Clinton's statements are the same as franchising the whole union. Somenthing desperate must be done to allow everybody the right to caucus regardlees of who they are endorsing. A primary is not valid until everybody has had the same right to caucus for an election.This abuse of power is one more reason why we don't want the Clintons back in power.No more dinasties in the United States of America..

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Sue Geily — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:01:11 GMT

Bill Clinton said that Obama had said negative things about his wife 84 times.
There is nothing positive that can be said about the low end in Hillary's campaign.
If anyone has carried his campaign with the utmost dignity and honesty it is Barack Obama, our next President.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Sue Geily — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:13:34 GMT

Manuel Geily:
TO NBC/MSNBC
Please do not allow the Clinton backed programs in other television channels keep saying that NBC openly supports Barack Obama. They only want to stop you from being fair and exposing the truth.
The Clinton camp wants to put NBC and the rest of the press on the defensive, something which they have succeeded to do. The whole thing started with the Hillary tears then Bill denouncing the press for mistreating his wife. What the heck is this? This is a race for the Presidency of the United States, and not for a High School student governnment.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Manuel Geily, Miami, Florida — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:26:02 GMT

CORRECTED MESSAGE:
THE CORRECT WORD IS DISENFRANCHISING AND NOT FRANCHISING THE WHOLE UNION AS WRITTEN IN MY PREVIOUS E-MAIL.
Manuel Geily

This is just another Clinton backed abuse of power.
I would like to know if Bill Clinton would say the same words had the Culinary Union endorsed his wife.
If I were Obama, I would pull the same trick the Clintons pulled in Iowa: Mass transportation of the union members.And even this did not work for them.
Clinton's statements are the same as disenfranchising the whole union. Somenthing desperate must be done to allow everybody the right to caucus regardlees of who they are endorsing. A primary is not valid until everybody has had the same right to caucus for an election.This abuse of power is one more reason why we don't want the Clintons back in power.No more dinasties in the United States of America..

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

ladydemocrat — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:52:15 GMT

Thank you, Sharon! "Do women really want this woman to be the crowning achievement of the woman's movement? "

uh, no, I, for one, don't

I changed my mind about Hillary long ago, circa 2000, when I had written a check to send to her "senate" campaign, then had an epiphany! Thank God! I, a white, middle-class, THINKING, born-in-the-USA, Maryland female saw the light then and am ever so grateful; and, it has done me good since. I will vote for a Republican over Clinton (in the general election)--at least the Republicans are up-front with their conservativism, up-front with their views being Republican, not hiding behind a facade of liberal talk when deep inside HRC is still the Republican she was oh, way back, you know, during and shortly after Wellesley! I'm surprised they didn't stone her when she went back recently--I have a very hard time thinking that Wellesley welcomes Democrats!

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

melissa, mpls — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:56:42 GMT

You all will wake up to a horrible truth, that Obama is a liar he can't change or unite us now. Great job you people have done on truely dividing us. GO republicans (THANKS OBAMA)

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Carl Rhode Island — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:04:55 GMT

Seems to me that the decision to hold the caucases in the casino's for the ben efiut of the workers in the union. What about the rest of them? How convenient for the union, with no consideration for the rest of the people!!It's not only unfair to the rest of the voters ,and especially for the Clinton Campaign.The real winners will be Obama and the casinos OWNERS. I don't know of anyone that goes to a casino that doesnt drop a few coins in the machines, to say nothing about all the other ways to leave a few bucks. And if that isn't bad enough, it could very well change the outcome of the caucus! They shoud not allow this because the people that work there ,have to Be there, and all the rest have to find their way to the caucus. I say "NO" to it!!

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Enrique, Chicago, IL — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:19:31 GMT

I was a big fan of the Clintons in the 90s. The attacks on Obama by both Bill and Hillary and now this lawsuit have turned me off to them completely. In addition, I am a Latino that can see that the Clintons are willing to do and say whatever it takes to win; even disenfrancising the large number of Latinos that will be working on Saturday.

Shame on Hillary and Bill.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Lewis, Cincinnati, Ohio — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:21:57 GMT

Cathy--from Upstate, NY---you're absolutely amazing. YOu would defend the devil if the Clintons did!

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

BL, Cincinnati, Ohio — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:25:37 GMT

If Clinton some how manages to get the nomination, despite her sleezy tactics, I will be crossing over and voting Republican this year. I'd rather have 4 more years of a Republican White House than 4 years of Clinton.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Rick, WS, NC — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:31:10 GMT

Heck, there is no vast right wing conspiracy...the most strident anti hillary crowd is on the left...poor babies, you want johnny fairplay in your primaries so the rep candidate can make you whine again in nov about another 'stolen' election...obama cant win a national election and many of you hate hillary...boohoo dems

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Stopwatchingfoxnews, Rochester, NY — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:35:44 GMT

First of all, you shouldn't hold caucuses at your place of work. For example, what if your boss sees you voting a different way than everyone else, maybe you don't get that next promotion. These are people you have to work next to, and really shouldn't know the way your voting, for fear of workplace retailiation. Anyone who doesn't think this would happen is not thinking clearly. It can cause all kinds of problems in the workplace. I don't think this has anything to do with Hillary. It has to do with fairness in the workplace.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

GungaGeek — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:37:50 GMT

This is exactly why I will not vote for Clinton. She plays situational politics when what we need is change. Shame on you Clintons. How far you have fallen!

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:40:31 GMT

Anyone trying to sell this line that the lawsuit is about fairness should just give up now. No one is buying it. And we all know who was behind the lawsuit.

I could have bought the notion that it was Clinton supporters acting on their own, rather than something encouraged by the campaign, if Bill hadn't weighed in on what they also want us to believe is an internal state party issue. Now I can't buy that. This came out from the Clinton campaign. Can I prove that? No. But I think we all know that's true; even Clinton's supporters.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

James Malley, SC — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:42:57 GMT

AVERY --> also: as I live in Florida - the Dem Nat'l Party stripped us of our delegates counting when the State Party moved the Primary up a week before Feb 5th -- so like Michigan -- Florida primary will be a hollow victory as no delegates will count on the democratic side

Isn't it fun when your own party disenfranchises your vote? All the teeth gnashing the Democratic voters went through in Florida during the 2000 election for how they were so-called disenfranchised, and this time around (and when the disenfranchisement is very real), hardly a peep.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:49:18 GMT

Nobama - Obama had no say in how the Nevada Democratic Party set up its caucuses. To suggest its in his power to hold a primary there to prove he really was interested in enfranchising voters is ludicrous.

All the candidates deal with the respective rules each state presents. Clinton deals with those rules by having surrogates file lawsuits to get them changed to more favorable rules.

Its really stunning on the Clintons' part. They don't care how shameless they look, knowing that most party members who were bothered by that shamelessness already made the decision not to support her campaign. So they feel they have the political cover to try pulling anything that might help their cause - their only cause, which is winning.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Washington, DC — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:09:07 GMT

It funny how the American can invade other county and set up voting in their country but we still have the same voting PROBLEM here in the land of the free ....Why are we special to the unions to have caucus polls set up at their work place if one group of people should have special voting right why not the other....OH!!!!!! I forgot we have a SPECIAL black man running for office so both should have special DEALS….interesting and we fight for democracy!!!!!

and for the record do you apologize first if you did not do anything wrong...HMMMMM so why should the First lady do so....Let stick to the main issue for the people again there is no record for O-BAMA could someone tell me what has he do for u lately? Let his work show and shut Hillary up, please...HE CAN"T BECAUSE THERE IS NO RECORDS FOR HIS DEED NOTHING BUT HOT AIR...

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

ki houston — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:12:08 GMT

cathy , you might want to tell that to bill

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:14:09 GMT

The Clinton campaign didn't bring this lawsuit. The NEA did, and I agree with it.
Who the hell does this union think it is, that it can hold caucuses in their memberships workplaces, which by the way are CASINOS, while everyone else in Nevada has to go to a caucus site, or not participate.
By the way, who here thinks it's a good idea to hold caucuses or elections....in freaking CASINOS for chripes sake! What the hell have we come to when voting for the President of the United States takes place in a damned casino! This is outreageous and Obama supporters who go along with this are trying to bend the rules in favor of their own guy without looking at the far reaching affect this could have on our country.
If VOTING IN CASINOS is part of the "CHANGE & HOPE" that Obama brings he can keep it. What's his new mantra going to be, "YES WE CAN VOTE IN CASINOS"?
Get real people, this is absurd.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

POLpursun — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:19:35 GMT

The difference is that as the Clinton memo was being distributed; another Clinton surrogate; Charles Rangel of NY (which as a New Yorker who liked him really upsets me) came out calling Obama "stupid" and in another line "dumb". He also said that Obama put his teenage drug experiences into a book (written in 1996) just to sell books.

alison (Sent Monday, January 14, 2008 9:57 PM)

Oh no!!! Tell me this isn't true. Not Charlie Rangel. He was the one that urged Barack to run.

This is too sad. Last evening on the NewsHour on PBS, there was John Lewis ---- the John Lewis I was wondering about. A young hero of the movement, on the front lines having his skull cracked open. The same one who yet still envisioned the beloved community. I was concerned about his having to be embarrassed about having endorsed Sen. Clinton.

Lo and behold, there was John Lewis, who we must STILL not forget, not only NOT being embarrassed, but vociferously STILL supporting Sen. Clinton. BUT, what is REALLY, REALLY SAD, is that he was accusing the Obama campaign with having some responsibility for what is going on now. Well John, as Mr. Lowery pointed out the Obama campaign is NOT responsible. Further, as I opine, the CLINTONS, particularly, slick Willie, opened the Pandora's box.

At least, nevertheless, John Lewis was not crass as was Andrew Young with his "joke". And then THERE was Sheila Jackson Lee telling us (on MSNBC) that we did not see what we saw ----- Bob Johnson doing Hillary Clinton's dirty work.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

ki houston — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:23:23 GMT

hans, are you for real , if so i pray for you because you are ethier realy naive or racist if you see no race reference form the clinton in the last 6 months.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Russ Wells, Maine — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:32:34 GMT

I think the clintons should stay in New York enjoy all the money and Millions of dollars they have made from the American People...I guess being President makes you better than everyone else...I will say one thing about the NEA it a union that does more for itself than what its supose to be about... Let me say if i Had your money i would be enjoying life to its fullest but I guess its more important to you for ous peons to bow to you. Change. Nothing became of your 35yrs that really benefited to the American people. We do need change 35 more yrs of the same never.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Gloria Harris, Newnan, Georgia — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:35:34 GMT

Is this the Clintons' haters website, or only haters comments are printed. Commentators tends to try to create news any way they can. Voters lose when voters do not listen to speeches being made by the candidates. Don't be played by people who think they can snow you.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

ki houston — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:36:36 GMT

good one avery

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Mark M Cary, NC — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:38:09 GMT

I love how quickly all of the "rank-and file Obama lays gold bricks and does nothing wrong so let's attack the Clintons" comments come flying out when their choice in president is challenged. The fact of the matter is that the temporary caucuses are not fair unless temporary causus sites are set up acorss the state for any and every citizen of Nevada. This lawsuit would have happened no matter who received the endorsement of the Culinary Union. To my great sadness, the Culinary Union is acting like a corporate power and flexing it's influence on the race and could cause for bullying at caucus sites into voting for the candidte they endorsed. Endorsing organizations worked properly in Iowa and New Hamshire. Let the rules play the same way as it did in the previous two states: without special exceptions.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Betty B. S.C. — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:44:55 GMT

Sodahead.com has a question up on their website that says " If Obama is elected pres. will all blacks get their 40 acres and a mule". I was shocked to read further and see that Big Al Sharpton supports that.
I posted and said "Yes" they will if Obama is elected.
That is precisely why the majority of White America will not support Obama. Let the Blacks get up off their ass and work like everyone else and they can certainly in a land of opportunity like ours earn that 40 acres and a mule.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Robert, Huntsville AL — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:49:09 GMT

I am so sick of the Clintons. They are corrupt, power-hungry, and have only ever been the 51% candidates. Bill Clinton was a 51% consensus President. What that means is he feels comfortable leaving every instution of exploitation in place in our country, everything from trade to subsidies, waging war, you name it. But then he throws a bone to his liberal base that helped him get elected and spends 51% of his time helping them. He forfeits 49% of his presidency to the highest bidder and then gives 51% to his base. I guess some could call that change, and hey the Presidency is intended by law to be a slow moving ship that can only steer a few degrees in one direction or another, that's what staves off disaster if we have a horrible president. So Clinton will balance the budget, throw a few bones, he'll put a band-aid on the problems we have and make us feel good with his Camelot speeches, but in the end the status quo will stay the same. Our country has reached a point where we need more than a 51% leader, our ship has hit a bog and it will require more force than that mundane 2% margin to get out of it. I apologize for the barrage of metaphors but I'm trying to save time and most of you who are informed about the Clintons know what I mean. The best candidates in my view are Mike Huckabee, John Edwards, Barack Obama, period. I usually write with more tact but as the election grows nearer, and with this latest Clinton scumbag maneuver in Nevada I am just so frustrated and I'm starting to lose heart. Even McCain is starting to take over in the Republican side. I just feel like the parties dangle change in our faces and we get excited about a new and genuine candidate and then whoosh, the establishment comes in and steals it from us. Maybe Adam Smith was right, the people, the "Bewildered herd", are meant to be just spectators. At this point, I would bet my bottom dollar on either Clinton, Romney or McCain being president, all establishment douchebags. This sucks.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Joe, Atlanta — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:52:19 GMT

Alison,
What about each and every time Obama speaks? He plays the race card by saying" We are going to make history" referring to the first black president.
The black church that he spoke at in Las Vegas Sunday violated the IRS code by the pastor endorsing Obama from the pulpit, and telling the members to vote for him. That is illegal.
Obama's wife Michelle made a very racist statement yesterday in a speech in Florida. It was an all black crowd and she said we can win with white folks
"there ain't no blacks in Iowa" - How much more racist can you get than this? They play the race card constantly but never get called on it for they are black. That is way too scary for me to even think of having him as president.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

ki houston — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:15:20 GMT

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

ki houston — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:37:53 GMT

so many racist so little time on here. gees do you guys have any shame .

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Lynne, Little Rock, Arkansas — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:01:11 GMT

I am a Realtor and good news as follows just out from Inmannews.com;

Real estate money favors Hillary Clinton in the 2008 presidential race, according to statistics posted at opensecrets.org, a Web site operated by The Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington, D.C.-based nonpartisan, nonprofit research group.

Go Hilary 2008 - We Realtors are all behind you.
Oh btw, here is more news from the article -
Democratic presidential candidates Clinton and Obama topped the list in total money raised from all sources: Clinton had raised $90.9 million and spent $40.5 million through the third-quarter, with year-end reports due Jan. 31.

Obama had raised $80.3 million and spent $44.2 million through the third quarter, according to opensecrets.org.
What ever happened to Obama's raising more money than Hilary and having more on hand? Guess that's proven to be false too.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Jon Doe — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:38:50 GMT

What's going on with all the Obama supporters?

Can you say anything besies wa! wa! wa!?

Crybabies! Anything Clinton says is bad, evil, horrendous. Please stop crying and whining.

These special voting sites are ILLEGAL, period. No group should be given special treatment. These locations violate the democracy in this country because labor leaders will be influencing the voting process by pressuring the union members to vote according to what the leaders say.

Do you think these low-income people will go against their boss in public? Of course not! They will be afraid because unions leaders are power-hungry and there will repercussions if they dont do as told.

If it was Hillary the one who got the endorsements, the members of this forum would be in favor of the lawsuit saying that Hillary is trying to use her influence to move voters in an undemocratic fashion.

PLEASE GET OVER IT

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Michael — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:23:00 GMT

micheal please, jhonson was just doing what any other polition does follow the lead of the country . and if you think it was jhonson and not mlk who created the sentiment for civil rights i suggest you take a history class.
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No! Johnson did what no other polititian did before him. He passed the act. Nobody suggested that he created the sentiment, nobody suggested that those who created the civil rights sentiment deserve less credit. What Hillary said was that the president before JFK did not even try to do it. JFK Hoped to do it, Johnson DID it. Nowhere did anybody suggest that MLK role should be diminished. Get your facts straight before you post nonsense.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:31:13 GMT

Jon Doe - If Clinton got the endorsement, the lawsuit never would have happened. And the Clinton's would be talking about how the Nevada Democratic Party went to great lengths to enfranchise voters. I have to think you know that's true.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Tracey, South Bend, IN — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:25:57 GMT

Folks- I think what I am seeing here is an out and out revolt against the "Clinton Machine's" lousy and unsportsmanlike behavior throughout this campaign and I couldn't be more "on board" with you guys. Mudslinging is bad enough, but the delibearte and calculated disinfranchisement of any voter to punish Obama or any other candiate is just unamerican. Furthermore I cannot get over the irony of them trying to do so MLK day! Absolutely unforgivable. And Clinton wonders why the Republicans so vehemently hate her guts. I'm sorry to say that I waited so long to joing them in sharing the vitriol.
Will the Clinton's stop at nothing to try and prove that they are still relevant?

They are such a joke. I hope evey person commenting on thse blogs goes out and casts their vote in the primaries. It's time to send a very strong message to "Billary" that their day in the sun has long since past- the sun is setting on the Clinton Dynasty and is rising on a new kind of politics. I don tcare who you vote for- a vote not for the Clintons is a vote not for the Clintons.

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Sunflower, San Francisco, CA — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:03:33 GMT

If we can talk about Obama's drug use in his younger days, can we talk about the Clinton's laundering of drug money via state bonds in their younger days?

Bill defends lawsuit over NV caucus sites

Jenny, Grand Rapids, MI — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:04:03 GMT

So the only people who have to work on a Saturday and have a right to vote in the caucus are those who work in the casinos and belong to the corrupt Culinary Worker's Union, which endorsed Obama? You believe it is acceptable that the union has had stewards threatening workers that if they don't agree to vote for Obama they can't caucus? Here's a link to a podcast interview wiht a worker who has witnessed the intimidation of workers http://www.taylormarsh.com/audio.php?audio=http://www.taylormarsh.com/podcast/mp3/stream.2008-01-16.170818.mp3

What about waitresses, waiters, nurses, store clerks, and others who will have to drive home to their neighborhoods to caucus? It's unfair and corrupt. An attempt by the corrupt SEIU controlled Culinary Workers Union to steal the votes of it's members, some who support other candidates like John Edwards, and give them illegally to Obama.

Those tactics are illegal and a violation of the rights of workers. I will never vote for Obama, and have been informing friends and others about this. In fact Americans ought to get together and sue the government to deny the outcome of the Nevada caucus if this corruption and intimidation is allowed to stand. It impacts our entire election and is as bad as what Bush did.