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john, la — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:40:33 GMT

MSNBC needs to stop being biased towards Obama. Hillary won the state!

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Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:43:05 GMT

2+2= CLINTON WIN ! hillaryclinton.com

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Adam Gillund, Hendricks, MN — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:48:40 GMT

On Jan. 19, party caucuses meet in each precinct to choose delegates to county conventions. The delegates selected are not bound to any candidate. At the county conventions on Feb. 23, delegates to the state convention are chosen. They are not bound to any candidate. The state convention is April 18-20, during which delegates choose 25 of the 33 delegates to the national convention. Sixteen of the 25 delegates are allocated proportionally to presidential candidates based on the support for the candidates in each of the state’s three Congressional districts. Nine delegates are allocated to candidates based on the support among all of the delegates attending the convention. The remaining eight unpledged delegates are chosen from party leaders.

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Cathy, Upstate NY — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:48:43 GMT

The math was neither correct NOR incorrect, because no delegates have been awarded yet. Hillary gets the WIN in Nevada, and the Obama camp can stop trying to steal her WINNING headline! The fact that Hillary WON the state should NOT be undermined because of feelings of bitterness in Obama Land! Hillary '08

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winnie — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:49:33 GMT

ap posted the delegate count

OBAMA 13
CLINTON 12

(associated press --- is NOT a wholly owned subsidiary of msnbc)

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john, la — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:49:42 GMT

ps. Get your facts straight MSNBC, hillary won the most super delegates! Her count is 210 while obamas is 123; therefore, she has the most delegates so far!

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Nashville_fan — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:50:30 GMT

tee hee hee!

Like I keep telling "the Clintons" and their supporters - you reap what you sow - EVERYTIME! :)

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Steven, KDH, N.C. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:52:14 GMT

Howard Wolfson said...It's all about delegate count baby! Ahhh....what's the matter Clintonites...this revelation stealing a bit of your thunder, huh? As far as getting the headlines out of this...who knows...we just might be sharing them now. ON TO SOUTH CAROLINA.
BARACK THE VOTE!!!!

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Charlie K., Bronx, NY — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:52:40 GMT

Yes, Hillary won Nevada. But the Clinton campaign has been saying for weeks that the accumulation of delegates is more important than winning states. So after next week's win in South Carolina, Obama will be in the lead.

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Graham Poor — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:54:13 GMT

Obama won Nevada! Did you report "Gore Wins!" in 2000 after all the votes were counted because he was ahead in the popular vote?
"Obama Wins Nevada!" should be the headline the same way it was, "Bush Wins" in 2000 for the presidency. Yes with a foot note that he lost the popular vote, but in both instances the popular vote should not be the lead. Why the double standard?
This is a race for delegates. Your reporting will create your self fulfilling story line (Since N.H. a Clinton come back)
Winning a tie in the race for delegates in New Hampshire with popular vote difference of 2.9% in a state he was trailing by 20% in become a "upset" for Clinton.

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Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:55:11 GMT

I bet you Hillary won ! Vegas baby, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. hillaryclinton.com

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John, la — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:55:11 GMT

Charlie, who cares about SC? The winners are technically chosen after NY and Cali, which both happen to be Hillary states...Obama wont win.

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facemn — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:57:30 GMT

Obama won! Make your voice heard for Barack at:

http://barackforpresident08.blogspot.com/

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:57:52 GMT

Win or lose. Hillary threatens to split the Democratic party beyond repair. Both of her wins in NH and Nevada were close and in both cases Barack had closed in from 20 pt. deficits. We'll see how things progress. But, I guarantee that if Hillary and Bill are to force their way to the nomination the result will be a fractured Democratic Party, a third party run (by Bloomberg) and a loss for the Dems in Congress and for the White House.

My wife points out that if there is a bright spot in this prediction it would have to be the end of the Clinton machine. Although I welcome that, I still wish that the entire bastion of anti-Hillary forces would unite to stop the status quo politics of the nineties. Obama is the future; on to South Carolina!
Obama '08

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ClassyChic, Michigan — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:58:44 GMT

You should've emphasized this sentence: "We look forward to our county and state conventions where we will choose the delegates for the nominee that Nevadans support."

HELLO. NEVADANS SUPPORTED HILLARY CLINTON. Stop taking away her well-deserved win. She won the popular vote so the delegates will likely go to her.

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Frank Caponi, Fort lauderdale, FL. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:59:07 GMT

So - Here I am watching Hannity on Fox - And it came to me - If anyone wants to see Sean Hannity jump out of a window nominate McCain and Clinton

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lewis, cincinnati, ohio — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:59:34 GMT

Hold on a minute Cathy--Howard Wolfson said that this is a delegate war and that is all that matters. So by the Clinton campaigns own guideline this is a win for Obama!!

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Steven, KDH, N.C. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:05:05 GMT

Superdelegates are not locked in to any candidate. They do not feel the same pressure normal delegates do and have the option of switching last minute if it suits them. And they usually will if their seat at the convention is in jeopardy for choosing the wrong candidate. That's why you don't hear too much from Superdelegates until usually after Super Tuesday. It was Hillary's Superdelegates that were being called after Iowa to reassure them and make sure they weren't thinking of switching.

And I have to know...Do Hillary supporters really think we're all gonna just rally around Hill IF she gets the nomination? It really is something you should start thinking about. It may not be Hillary's fault in general, but that is the way it is. Now if all you're trying to do is say a woman can win the Dem. nomination....fine. But even you have to realize that she will not unite our party, let alone the country afterwards. Ladies...you might not like to believe it, but it's true.

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James, Wichita, KS — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:12:55 GMT

Hot damn, that's great... Go Obama!

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Lynette, NYC — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:16:30 GMT

I guess the actual workers in the culinary union were brave enough to pick their own personal choice, which should be their decision anyway. The polls had Obama ahead here again. It seems not too many showed up, but you have to hand it to Hillary, she pulled another one out. I say that Obama may win SC, but after that he will be done.

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Toni C — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:17:39 GMT

Independents determine who WINS the white House.

This delegate count issue relates to the general.

In 2004, Nevada was considered a swing state. It was won by President Bush by a margin of 2.6%. A mere 21,000 votes out of more than 537,000.

Clark County, home of Las Vegas and the most populous county of the state, went for John Kerry. But Kerry lost the state.

Clinton won the caucus exactly how Kerry lost the state in the general election: winning the biggest (de facto Democrat) county but losing statewide.

If Kerry had taken any of the three next-largest counties, the DEMs would have won Nevada in 2004.

So how did Hillary do in these 3 counties Kerry lost?

Washoe: Obama 50%, Clinton 41%, Edwards 9%
Douglas: Obama 50%, Clinton 43%, Edwards 8%
Elko: Obama 63%, Clinton 31%, Edwards 6%

Obama won all 3 comfortably.

Hillary has the Kerry formula, win the biggest city/county lose the state in the general.

Obama would win Las Vegas in the general because that’s where the democrats are. But Obama’s strength in the next 3 largest counties shows he has the best chance to win Nevada in a general election.

Hillary would not win the state. Her performance would likely be just like Kerry’s and just like this election today.. This is the sad fact that will play out across the nation in my opinion. States like Missouri, Florida, Colorodo, Nevada, and Ohio all remain in peril in the general with Clinton. All these stes have the big county versus statewide effect and are closely split DEM/REP.

In these states you’ll need to get votes where Obama is getting them and Clinton is not. And if Hillary alienates the Black vote, (which she has already done so far) the DEMS could actually go backwards compared to Kerry in a general election. States barely won by Kerry like Wisconsin (Milwaukee) , and Pennylvania (Philly) might even fall if the Black vote is not enthusiastic for Clinton.

I believe Obama could win a general election. I doubt Clinton can. But can Obama win the nomination…not with the numbers he’s getting from unions, women and Hispanics. Her combination of women, unions and hispanics will get her the most delagates and the nomination. His chance is if Edwards cedes his MEN to Obama else it’s Hillary. And I’ll hope Hillary/Obama if she wants to win the general.

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Charlie K., Bronx, NY — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:18:17 GMT

John, you say NY is a Hillary state. Well, not if I (and thousands of other Obama activists) can help it. The Daily News reported last week that Hillary's lead in NY is slipping away. If Barack wins big in SC, it will have a serious impact on her position in NY. And if Hillary isn't able to take her "home" (ha ha) state by wide margins in the primary, she may as well pack it in.

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Jason — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:23:19 GMT

OBAMA has my vote!!

Thee who wins the most delegates, wins the state!, its just that simple..

OBAMA 08!!!!!!!!

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P. Walker, Memphis, TN — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:29:32 GMT

DEWEY BEATS TRUMAN!!!
Yep.
So much for the vaunted vast right wing conspiracy that is the modern media and its hatred of the Clinton's.
Today's media circus far outstrips the believed once in a lifetime failure of the mass media in New Hampshire.
Time to see if the national media grant equal time to the campaign of Mr. Obama in what will go down in history as one of the most unethical performances ever witnessed in American political life.
There is one thing for certain.
All we will hear from the Hillary campaign is how bad the caucus system is, but nary a word of congratulation to the campaign of Mr. Obama for demonstrating the ability to win in the majority of districts in the state of Nevada.
I wonder if the Hillary campaign will say the same things when it comes to California and its method of awarding delegates on a proportional basis as is done in Nevada.

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John, la — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:37:09 GMT

Charlie, you are forgetting that african-americans are not the only ones in NY. Hispanics are a large percentage of NY and they will vote for Hillary.

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RealB.G. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:43:46 GMT

Honestly. Why is everyone so afraid of the Clinton's. The rules are the rules. If Obama won the delegates-he won the delegates. Ted Kennedy and Rahm Emmanuel have called Bill and told him to calm down (Newsweek article). I still think he going to implode before this is all over, but why destroy a sure Democratic victory by tearing the party to shreds. If by some stretch Hillary gets the nomination, but African Americans in particular, Independents and others refuse to participate in the general because of the behavior and tactics of the Clinton's what's the point?

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Sam — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:46:24 GMT

If a candidate wins the caucus they call it a win.
Hillary won by 6%.

When Obama won in Iowa by a neck in neck "delegate" vote, Clinton classily conceded to Obama in a speech.

WHERE WAS OBAMA'S CONCESSION SPEECH?????

Make him look like a poor loser with not enough guts to concede his 6% loss to Hillary.

Obama is NOT a classy guy...not presidental material...He proved it today.

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K8 — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:50:43 GMT

I agree that there will be no democratic swell around HRC. If she wins I just might have to vote GOP in NOV. Help me... and Vote Obama!

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Susan — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:50:59 GMT

Delegate scoreboard: Obama 13, Hillary 12. Obama won because he did better in rural areas. That is a little thing known as "the name of the game". The popular vote is meaningless. I seem to remember a one Al Gore running into this issue ...

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PLB — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:53:24 GMT

Leading Democrats To Bill Clinton: Pipe Down
Prominent Democrats are upset with the aggressive role that Bill Clinton is playing in the 2008 campaign, a role they believe is inappropriate for a former president and the titular head of the Democratic Party. In recent weeks, Sen. Edward Kennedy and Rep. Rahm Emanuel, both currently neutral in the Democratic contest, have told their old friend heatedly on the phone that he needs to change his tone and stop attacking Sen. Barack Obama, according to two sources familiar with the conversations who asked for anonymity because of their sensitive nature. Clinton, Kennedy and Emanuel all declined to comment.

When the former president called Kennedy, the Massachusetts Democrat gave Clinton an earful, telling him that he bore some blame for the injection of race into the contest. In any event, both Hillary and Obama made peace on the race issue at the Las Vegas debate. The Clinton camp now fears that Kennedy is leaning toward Obama, according to the Clinton source, though Kennedy's office says he is making no endorsement "at this time."

Clinton aides admit the boss sometimes goes off script. Obama officials say this itself should be a campaign issue. Greg Craig, who coordinated Clinton's impeachment defense in 1998 and is now a senior Obama adviser, argues that "recent events raise the question: if Hillary's campaign can't control Bill, whether Hillary's White House could."

There is little precedent for a former president's engaging in intra-party attacks. In 1960, Harry Truman criticized the idea of a Roman Catholic president and tried briefly to stop John F. Kennedy's nomination. "I urge you to be patient," he told JFK publicly. But in 2000, former president George Bush declined to attack his son's GOP primary opponent, John McCain.

Clinton is undeterred by the criticism and will likely keep hammering Obama if he thinks it helps Hillary. "History will judge the impact on the Clinton legacy, not daily or weekly political reporters," says Matt McKenna, Bill Clinton's press secretary.

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goldenstate — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:00:17 GMT

I'm a Hillary Clinton supporter, but if Obama becomes the Democratic nominee, I'll vote for him. We need to look at the big picture and not be poor sports. There's too much at stake to hold a grudge. We Democrats have to stick together to defeat the Republicans.

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Dr. Ashley, Chicago, IL — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:04:21 GMT

Clintons = 90s. Obama is NOW!
Stop the Billary Machine.
Obama is holding his own with a past president out bad-mouthing him on behalf of his wife.

Great job Obama. Keep up the good work.

I'm a physician and Obama still has my vote!
Go Obama!

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Michael's Mom — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:08:56 GMT

John, Ia-

The hispanics in NY are black latinos/latinas. They are for the most part from Puerto Rico (and other Caribbean islands), not Mexico; so don't expect the same kind of Clinton love over Obama. Not happening.

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JC, Las Vegas, NV — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:13:19 GMT

He did not lose, that is why.

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disgusted — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:14:22 GMT

When Obama won Iowa by a delegate to two, he gave a barn burner, accepting the "Democratic presidendial nominee at the convention" acceptance speech not a speech of the winner of some Iowans with a delegate or two ahead of Clinton speech.

Channeling Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. with his speech cadence in "I Have a Dream" Obama said, "They saaaaid. They saaaid. They saaaaid that this day would never come. They saaaid our sights were set too high...but on this January night, at this DEFINING moment in history, you have done what the cynic said we couldn't do."

Who is "they"? Who said Obama's sights were set too high and that that day would not come?

Certainly no one in Barack Obama's GOLDEN black experience as a star basketball player in culturally diverse Hawaii, as the first black person to be the coveted editor of The HARVARD Law Review, as a lawyer in Chicago as well as his wife, as a ILL State Senator, US Senator, or as the owner of a multi million dollar house in an "uppity" section of Chicago.

Hillary Clinton gave a concession speech after Iowa and congratulated Obama.

So where was Barack Obama today? Giving a concession speech to Hillary's 6% win in Nevada.

NO! NO! Obama was no where to be seen!!!!!!!!!!

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JoeyB Pittsburgh Pa. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:17:12 GMT

All of you are NUTS, if you're willing to put the top office in the hands of a man with less than 2 years of experience in public service. Obama fans need to be committed to a mental institution, we as Americans need to think with our true hearts. To be lead around by the fantasy that a very well spoken young fellow with very good intensions, but with very little experience is irresponsible.I believe that in a few years he will be the best choice but he needs to be seasoned. Ask yourself, would you want a man with little experience running you're company? If you think he has potential, you would season him for a few years and then I'll even vote for him but for now I have to much loss at this time. I can't lose anymore, Bush has killed my hopes. Bill did right by me, hopefully Hillary will do as well or better.

Go Hillary 08

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JoeyB Pittsburgh Pa. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:20:01 GMT

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Tiffany Portland, Oregon — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:21:32 GMT

Toni C., you gave a well thought out argument. However, it is quite flawed. Your statement that since he won those three counties by a comfortable margin would mean he would win the state is wishful thinking at best. You seem to be forgetting that this was voting amongst Democrats within their own party. There were no Republicans on the ticket to make your arguments stand up. Most Democrats would chose to vote Democratic in the general election anyway, regardless of who the candidate ends up being, for the sake of their party being in power. So, at this point there is no way to gauge what would happen depending on which Democrat (and Republican) ends up on the final ticket. It's just pure speculation at this point.

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Bruce Willis seattle washington — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:27:01 GMT

The nature of this game is delegate count. Obama won the delegate count. Obama wins Nevada!

Clinton supportors need to realize that Hillary Clinton will never win a general election. I am a life long democrat and I used to have a lot of respect for both Bill and Hillary Clinton, but no more. Not after watching them sic their serigates on Obama and play the race card. Not when I watch Hillary cry or spill her guts about the Monica Lewinsky fiasco on national tv. If you ask me, she is a vote whore. She will do anything for votes. And watching Bill whine and cry when things are not going well for the campaign, is not much better. If she is the nominee, I will write in Barack Obama on the ballot. No way I will vote for her. Belive me, I am not the only one who feels this way.

A vote for Hillary is a vote for the republican party.

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Mr. Jermaine Johnson — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:36:01 GMT

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Jay — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:39:59 GMT

Bruce Willis Seattle, WA,
Son, you need help, medication or at the least intervention.

Where do you get your information...obviously THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER...that fact base intellectual magazine that you rely on!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MS,NY — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:45:01 GMT

Hillary folks, get your facts straight. Hillary only has 7 years experience as an elected official.

OBAMA HAS 11 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.

Wake up, the Clintons will sell-out, lie, steal and do what ever it takes to win the White House.

DO YOU REALLY WANT SOMEONE SO SELFISH AND SELF CENTERED TO BE RUNNING OUR COUYNTRY?

AMERICA THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE.

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P. walker — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:46:55 GMT

PLB-
It would indeed be nice if Bill Clinton would pipe down.
Unfortunatly, Bill looked at Hillary's campaign on December 28, 2007 and decided that after holding a 33% lead she was in grave danger of loosing; Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada & South Carolina and decided then & there that if Hillary were to have a chance at regaining the mojo she had prior to that time he would need to take a direct role in her campaign in order to save it from implosion.
He has done this and has helped Hillary save New Hampshire by 3% when she was up by 23% and retain the popular vote in Clark County, Nevada after being up by 37% only to loose the delegate count because she could not muster support outside of Las Vegas.
Bill knows full well that Hillary's swing in South Carolina from +25% to -9% could spell big trouble if this tide is not stemed, and quickly.
Already, in head to head match ups with the republican candidates Mr. Obama polls far better than Hilary against every potential opponet. Further, Hillary's support nationally among democrats has fallen from +33% to +8%.
Unfortunately, because of the numbers and the threat that Mr. Obama poses to Hillary's campaign the last thing in this world Bill would do now is trust Hillary's campaign, and what he believes are the necessary bare knuckled tactics, to any other person.
Bill has only started.

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Jamie — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:49:44 GMT

Barack Obama made it look like he is a sore loser.Why did he take off for his home when it was obvious he was not going to win the caucus in Nevada today with out giving a speech to THANK those who worked so hard for him in our state?

He should of given a concession speech to Hillary no matter how bad he hates her. It's the manly thing to do. Or else he looks like poor sport.

If I had it to do all over again I'd never work so hard for him . He does not appreciate what we done for him even if we did not win the caucus. He should of acted like he understood all the work we done.

If that is how he treats the little people inhis camapign then I'm not sure he would do all he says if he were president.

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RobK, Seattle, Wash. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:50:13 GMT

She won Vegas (Clark COunty)

Obama won the whole friggin' state minus that county.

Obama 13, Billary 12.

Yeah!

Life's a bitch; don't vote for one.

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LB, Harvey, LA — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:01:11 GMT

To JoeyB re: years of experience and leadership ability, check out these articles:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ari-emanuel/the-curious-math-of-hilla_b_82028.html

http://quartz.he.net/~beyondch/news/nucleus/plugins/print/print.php?itemid=5262

Not to mention, the dirty tactics of HRC at caucus locations in NV today:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/19/162953/644/790/439573

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/19/195619/871/634/439737

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/19/201119/655/611/439744

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Lynette, NYC — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:02:46 GMT

VOTE DEMOCRAT!!!

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Rick, Fort Lauderdale, FL — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:10:01 GMT

The elections and caucuses are, unfortunately, relatively meaningless. Until we do away with the electoral college and actually allow every citizen's vote to count EQUALLY all we can do is sit back and wait. We can suggest what our wishes are, but the 2000 election proves that our votes just don't mean anything. Even in the primaries there are delegates to be assigned that are not committed until the Convention. Doesn't that make you all feel important?

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Eorse, St. Louis — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:10:07 GMT

THE TWO CLINTONS PLAY DIRTY IN NEVADA. THE RACE, GENDER, AND ETHNICITY BAITING BY THE TWO CLINTONS NOW INCLUDES VOTE SUPPRESSING.

THE NYT WILL NOT COVER IT.

WILL MSNBC/FIRST READ/HARDBALL COVER IT?

READ HERE:

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/19/162953/644/790/439573

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Maggie Porter, Liitle Rock, Arkansas — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:21:46 GMT

Obama needs to step aside for the sake of the Democratic Party. His future is bright- let him gain some experience and further define himself(maybe if he plays his cards right he can be Hill's Veep). The crisis our country is in demands proven leadership- and that is Hillary Clinton.

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SuzyQ, Benton Harbor, Michigan — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:29:51 GMT

Mr. Johnson, If you only vote for people with your exact same experience; uneducated, broke and wasting opportunities, I guess you never vote.

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John, LA — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:40:23 GMT

There may be a lot of hispanics that are puerto rican and dominican (From the islands) but the majority share the same cultural values as the hispanics of the west; therefore, they will vote for hillary and not obama.

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R.J. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:40:25 GMT

Sam,
I'm a political science-international affairs student in Europe and I have been following this process up close from the very beginning(by that I mean since the period of "the invisible primaries" (Arthur T. Hadley, 1976)). I just wanted to tell you that what became apparent is that Mr. Clinton is not going to be the "inevitable nominee" as she and her campaign were stating until the Iowa-blow came along. So, in fact if there is anyone who should make a concession speech it would have to be Clinton. It's only normal that the Obama campaign, being the underdog, is trying to show folks in SC and elsewhere that even after loosing NH and NV nothing is decided yet. All this of course in order to minimize the possible boost Clinton could get from two consecutive wins. It's just part of the game and in the end there will be only one who can claim victory, until that moment conscession speeches are merely message-less bottles floating on the high seas. Furthermore, both the candidates are classy and are presidential material otherwise they wouldn't have come so far! As for electability I put my money on Obama. But first let the following principle prevail: May the best woman or man win!! (And let that best man be Barack!!!)

R.J.

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RobK, Seattle, Wash. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:40:27 GMT

Why do Hispanics hate blacks so much?

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Disillusioned Obama Supporter, USA — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:40:51 GMT

I heard Obama didn't even give a concession speech? If that is true, it is disrespectful. It is part of our tradition as decent respectful Democrats to give a concession speech and also thank the supporters. Obama's supporters must be thinking why they supported him!

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Marbw — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:41:46 GMT

Jermaine Johnson, enlighten yourself.

--
Where Obama's Journey Began

CHICAGO, April 27, 2007
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(CBS) When Barack Obama arrived on Chicago's South Side, he was on a mission to help. The fires of the once-vibrant steel industry had already died, there were 326,000 people unemployed, and nearly 70 percent of public school children were living below the poverty line.

"It was a lot of poverty there, but a lot of pride," says Loretta Augustine, a community activist.

Chicago was in the midst of a political firestorm. Harold Washington, the city's first black mayor, had taken the reins and racial tensions were running high, CBS Evening News anchor Katie Couric reports.

It was at a church, in 1984, where Obama came to work as a community organizer for a faith-based group called the Developing Communities Project. He worked in Altgeld Gardens, a racially segregated housing project on Chicago's far South Side. In a city where political power means everything, the people of Altgeld were invisible.

"To a great extent, we were powerless," Augustine says.

Obama's challenge was to empower the impoverished residents of Altgeld Gardens and turn them into political players. But older members of the group were skeptical of the 23-year-old Columbia University graduate.

"How was this kid gonna be any help to them?" says Gerry Kellman, who hired Obama.

But over time, Obama earned their trust and figured out how to make those voices heard.

"What Barack had to do was instill confidence in those folks," Kellman says.

Then there was a crucial meeting: A representative from the mayor's office tried to take over — and suddenly the South Side activist rose up.

"From the back of the room came Barack's voice, and he says, 'We want to hear from Loretta. Let Loretta talk,'" Augustine recalls. "And in that instant, he changed the meeting and focused right back on our agenda."

Today, still surrounded by 53 toxic waste dumps, Altgeld Gardens is often called "the toxic donut." In 1967, Augustine's 6-year-old daughter died of leukemia — which she's convinced was caused by toxic waste. Yet no one was listening to the people in the neighborhood.

"We found out there was a secret meeting in South Chicago on this issue and we had been excluded," she says.

Obama and 300 community members marched to that secret meeting.

You cannot leave the community out of the process. It was so powerful," Augustine says.

Most people stayed in that job for four months. Obama continued to fight for four years, cutting his teeth on community activism. — the first measure of his leadership skills that are now being tested on a much larger stage.

"Barack came here very idealistic, and he left much more practical," Kellman says.

"He left, but he didn't leave us," adds Augustine. "We claim him."

video
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/27/eveningnews/main2737505.shtml

COMMUNITY ORGANIZER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22bcGFeq71U

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/27/eveningnews/main2737505.shtml

Carry
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Choices
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Tom, Wenatchee — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:43:06 GMT

Go OBama!!!

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Jamie — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:43:09 GMT

Disgusted is right. Obama's "black experience" is a hell of a lot different than MY black experience.

I'm sick of him actin like he is one of us. He is NOT. He has NO idea what it is like to grow up in the inner city where no one got to go to Harvard. Hell, most didn't even get out of high school. Don't see many lawyers who married lawyers among the people I grew up with. And none of us are Senators or live in big fancy houses.

We work like dogs for every penny we can scrap together.

He don't know what the hell we've lived thru.
Obama is not one of us.

I never support or vote for Obama.

Mr. Jermaine Johnson (Sent Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:36 PM)
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Okay Jamie

Your statement is completly ignorant...So, you are saying that he's not a black man because he went to Harvard...No wonder you support Hillary Clinton...Dumb ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Marbw — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:43:28 GMT

Barack Obama
Senior Lecturer in Law

EDUCATION

Harvard Law School, J.D. 1991, Magna Cum Laude.
President, Harvard Law Review
Executive Board, Black Law Students' Association
Columbia University, Bachelor of Arts, Political Science, 1983

US Senator from Illinois 2004-present
Senate Foreign Relations Commitee
Senate Commitee on Veterans' Affairs
Senate Commitee on Health, Education, Labor, Pensions
Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs

Illinois State Senator - 13th Legislative District, Chicago, 1996 - 2004
Minority Spokesperson for the Public Health & Welfare Committee, Member of the Judiciary and Revenue Committees, Co-Chair of the Joint Committee on Administrative Rules.
Areas of legislative interest include welfare reform; public school funding and accountability; tax accountability and tax fairness; campaign finance and ethics reform; job training and workforce preparation; economic development and technology access; and juvenile justice issues.

University of Chicago Law School
Senior Lecturer, 1993 -

Miner, Barnhill & Galland, P.C.
Of Counsel, 1996 -
Specializing in civil rights and voting rights litigation, employment law, and the representation of not-for-profit and community development corporations in urban redevelopment activities.
Associate, 1993 - 1996
Litigated voting rights and employment cases, wrote appellate briefs and argued appeals in the United States Court of Appeals, helped to structure and finance efforts to construct mixed-income housing to replace public housing in and around Cabrini Green, served as general counsel to community health clinics, social service agencies, and charter schools throughout Chicago.

Illinois Project Vote
Director, April 1992 - November 1992
Organized and directed a voter registration and education campaign targeted at minority and low-income voters in Cook County. Recruited and managed 10 paid staff and 700 volunteers; helped raise $200,000 for the project; coordinated a companion multi-media campaign; established office and reporting systems. Resulted in approximately 150,000 newly registered voters in the 1992 Presidential election.

Developing Communities Project
Director, June 1985 - June 1988
Organized and directed a not-for-profit community development program in low-income areas of Chicago's Far South Side. With a membership of over twenty churches and civic groups, the organization trained local leaders to formulate and execute a range of community development projects, including job training programs for area unemployed, college prep programs for low-income students, parent initiatives to reform public schools, and campaigns to clean up hazardous waste sites.

Business International Corporation
Writer/Financial Analyst, January 1984 - January 1985
Researched, wrote and edited articles, reports, and how-to manuals on international business and finance for multinational corporations.

Honors

Outstanding Legislator Awards from Campaign for Better Health Care and Illinois Primary Health Care Association, 1998

Best Freshman Legislator Award from Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organizations, 1997

Legal Eagle Award for litigation leading to Illinois' compliance with national "Motor Voter" Legislation, 1995

Monarch Award for Outstanding Public Service, 1994

Crain's Chicago Business "40 Under 40" Award, 1993

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Marbw — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:45:16 GMT

Obama helped to deliver the first significant campaign finance reform law in Illinois in 25 years. He brought law enforcement groups around to back legislation requiring that homicide interrogations be taped and helped bring about passage of the state’s first racial-profiling law. He was a chief sponsor of a law enhancing tax credits for the working poor, played a central role in negotiations over welfare reform and successfully pushed for increasing child care subsidies (NYT, 7/30/07). Here in Chicago, Obama worked as lead organizer for the Developing Communities Project, a campaign funded by south-side Catholic churches to counteract the dislocation and massive unemployment caused by the closing and downsizing of southeast Chicago steel plants. (ChicagoReader 12/8/95) As a Chicago community organizer, Obama notched accomplishments ranging from job-training programs to a successful attempt to improve city services at the Altgeld Gardens housing project, chaired a voter-registration drive that helped carry Illinois for Democratic presidential candidate Bill Clinton in 1992 and led an effort to acquire state money for a dropout prevention program that still operates today.

"As a state legislator, Obama worked with both Democrats and Republicans in drafting successful legislation on ethics and health care reform. He sponsored a law enhancing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for child care. He expanded healthcare to include 154.000 people in Illinois(including 70,000 children). Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they stopped. During his 2004 general election campaign for U.S. Senate, Obama won the endorsement of the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police, whose president credited him with having been "immensely helpful in working with police organizations" on death penalty reform."

Although Barack Obama has represented urban areas of the country where gun violence was a community concern, he has been a long-time and consistent supporter of all Americans’ right to bear arms. Senator Obama has led the way in protecting our law enforcement officials by cracking down on armor-piercing bullets while also protecting individual rights of hunters and gun owners.

o Obama said he supported better enforcement of existing gun laws, not new ones. Obama said he supported “common sense gun control measures. For now, the federal government should focus on better enforcement of existing gun laws, rather than creating new ones.”

o Obama voted to give concealed carry for retired police and military. Obama voted to allow retired peace officers and military personnel who have served honorably for at least 10 years to receive a permit to concealed firearms. He was the only Chicago Democrat to do that. [93rd GA, SB 2188, 3/26/04, 3R P; 40-13-1]

o Obama voted to allow the use of a handgun for hunting. Obama voted to allow the use of a handgun during the open hunting season for deer. [93rd GA, SB 257, 3/24/03, 3R P; 47-5-2; 5/28/03, HA 1 SC; 55-2-0]

o Obama said municipalities should control local gun regulations, not the state. ‘That law eviscerated anti-handgun ordinances in some communities… The way I feel, Wilmette should not determine Mattoon’s firearms ordinances and Mattoon should not determine Wilmette’s.’&r dquo ; Obama said, “I don’t necessarily support those (gun-ban) laws… but I think local communities should have the right to pass them, and that’s what this law was about.” [Chicago Tribune, 10/8/04; Springfield Journal-Register, 6/3/04]

As a member of the Democratic minority party of the Senate for six of his eight years there, Obama wrote a health insurance law that covered an additional 20,000 children, a welfare reform law, an earned-income-tax-credit law for working-poor families, and death penalty reform that passed unanimously. During his last two years in the majority, he sponsored 780 bills, 280 of which became law.

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Marbw — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:46:18 GMT

While in the US Senate Obama has passed Lugar-Obama, a bill that expands the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines. He has also passed the "Coburn-Obama Transparency Act" provides for a web site, managed by the Office of Management and Budget, listing all organizations receiving Federal funds from 2007 onward, and providing breakdowns by the agency allocating the funds, the dollar amount given, and the purpose of the grant or contract. In addition to those two he has also gotten through the "Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act," which had his name on it as the first sponsor.
He also worked with Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) in strengthening restrictions on travel in corporate jets to S.1, the Legislative Transparency and Accountability Act of 2007. And then Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accounting Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs. He sponsored the "Iran Sanctions Enabling Act" supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran's oil and gas industry, and joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to prevent nuclear terrorism. He also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries.
"I sit on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee," he said. "So I have frequent interaction with world leaders who come to visit here, and I take trips on various fact-finding missions, whether it's to Iraq or Russia or Africa. But you know, probably, the strongest experience I have in foreign relations is the fact that I spent four years living overseas when I was a child in Southeast Asia."
"A lot of my knowledge about foreign affairs isn't just what I studied in school -- I studied international relations when I was in college -- it's not just the work I do on the Senate foreign relations committee.

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As a member of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama is committed to helping the heroes who defend our nation today and the veterans who fought in years past.

In January 2007, Senator Obama reintroduced the Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act to improve the VA’s planning process to avoid budget shortfalls in the future.
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He authored the Sheltering All Veterans Everywhere Act (SAVE Act) to strengthen and expand federal homeless veteran programs that serve over 100,000 homeless veterans annually.
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Part of the Lane Evans Veterans Health and Benefits Improvement Act, which Senator Obama reintroduced in January 2007, would help veterans transition from the DOD health system to the VA system by extending the window in which new veterans can get mental health care from two years to five years.
READ MORE AT:
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/veterans/

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Honoring Our Veterans
http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/veterans/

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Marbw — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:47:33 GMT

Ensuring that the Voting Section Protects the Right to Vote:

Barack Obama has been a life-long defender of voting rights. After law school, he registered 150,000 new voters in Chicago. As a civil rights lawyer, he defended minority voters who challenged redistricting plans that diluted their vote. As a constitutional law lecturer, he taught classes on voting rights. And in the US Senate, he has led the fight to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act, to oppose discriminatory photo-ID laws and improve our election machinery. His " Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act", which has passed the House of Representatives and the Senate Judiciary Committee, will enable investigations into deceptive and fraudulent practices. It establishes significant, harsh penalties for those who have engaged in fraud, and it provides voters who have been misinformed with accurate and full information so they can vote.

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Arrogance Once Again — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:48:51 GMT

Obama didnt even thank his supporters tonight in Nevada?

That's too arrogant and cocky. He shouldn't look down upon the poor Nevadians who were trying to help him sell hope.

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Marbw — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:49:34 GMT

Jerome,
I believe that, based on Barack Obama's self-written books 'Dreams from MY Father' and 'Audacity of Hope'/
his work throughout the years to give voice to the voiceless and hope to the hopeless(poor and union-workers)/ his speeches etc, he is a better candidate. He did not just happen upon Democratic principles in this campaign, he gave up hundreds of job offers over 20+ years ago to go work for $12,000/yr in one of the poorest neighborhoods in Chicago. He graduated magna cum laude/became head of Harvard Law Review/Civil Rights Attorney/taught constitutional law for over 10 years etc. Obama went to work with churches that organized job training and other programs for residents of a massive housing project in Chicago. He persuaded the city to provide summer jobs, remove asbestos, repair toilets, pipes and ceilings. He went door to door, offering help for three years, then went to Harvard Law School. After law school, he registered 150,000 new voters in Chicago. He was finally able to pay off his college debt using proceeds from his first bestselling book.

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Marks — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:49:57 GMT

NO BUSH/CLINTON/BUSH/CLINTON

What's that say about you? About America? The world wonders and believe me, the world really is concerned about America.

Hasn't the world experienced Clinton's leading this Country with their form of diplomacy? It was the Clinton's right and not just Bill crafting world policy and directives.

That's what Hillary is claiming. Her Co-Presidency back in the 90's, but had little idea what Bill was doing in his personal life.

The good things Bill did, she will do, some supporters of Hillary say.

Where in the world did Bill do good? Africa? Europe? The Balkans? Middle East policy? Israel?

Social concerns and policies. I don't remember clearly because my life wasn't affected by the Clinton's in the 90's. I voted twice for him, but disenchanted now.

His lying to Congress and pardons to his friends. Hillary's brother was selling access to pardon consideration. He made a bunch of money.

People that didn't get pardons in the 90's from Clintons will look again for favor.

Clintons in the White House will cause the Bush's family to cringe. Like we need another Bush as President. The Bush family has an ego. Two Presidents Father and Son. More years as President than Bill got.

Former Governor of Florida, Jeb Bush will be President in 2012 because of Hillary's Presidency.

Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton/Bush

Jeb Bush is the GOP's "secret" they may spring on the nominee as a Vice President. Like they forced Dan Quayle into that position.

A lot of industry likes the profits from Bush's policies, they don't want to end that relationship. If Jeb Bush is in the White House, it continues!

Maybe GOP will allow Hillary to be President. GOP will win Congress in 2010 and will place Jeb in the White House in 2012.

Bill is the problem. He gives a good speech attacking Obama but is increasingly partisan. He causes more stories than Hillary.

Because she has Bill, some women say is they are voting for Hillary. Because she has Bill being Co-President again, makes America look bad in the world's eyes.

We're creating Royal political families who's ego's are focused on the Presidency. The Bush Family is more egotistical. Like we need another Bush, it will happen because Hillary is President.

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Harley — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:51:13 GMT

Nevada is the big loser here. It is a HUGE EMBARRASSMENT when the caucus-delegate math erases A 6% LEAD in the popular vote. What a stupid, STUPID system where the acreage of land counts more than the votes of individuals.

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difitlan courly, tucson, az — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 05:54:04 GMT

If billary gets the nomination I will vote for whoever the republican nominee is. At least that way when the country goes further to crap, maybe the country will finally take a stand for real change. not the billary type of change. Ask yourself this. Was the democratic party better off after BC? Of course, the answer is no. A billary presidency means the end of any real hope for change, needed change, like the social programs of the 60's. The country and the Democratic party will be nearly irretrievably ruined. So, lets let a republican ruin it. At least that way, some forward thinking Dem or Progressive will have a better chance of winning and enacting real change after the disaster of another 4 years of republican ruin.

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Opa2 — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:13:47 GMT

If I remember correctly something like that happened eight years ago where one candidate got the votes and the other candidate got the job. Look what a mess that situation created. Is'nt about time that whomever got the most votes wins the election? Is that not the democratic way? For Obama to claim victory under those circumstances is the REPUBLICAN way, not the DEMOCRATIC way.

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gluv, tulsa ok — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:21:04 GMT

@ mr. jermaine johnson

1st of all, you have to consider that not all blacks are going to have the same black "experience".

2nd of all, obama probably has as much of your typical stereotype black "experience" as most youth of today; never knowing his real father, mostly raised by a single parent or grandparents, have self-issues on race, unfocused as a teen to the point of being a weedhead as well as a cokehead....but turning his life around WITHOUT any types of handouts. he didn't get into harvard because his family was rich or he had connections...he got in thru hard work after b.s-ing thru the 1st year of college in california. ending up being top student there.

then you cannot even discredit him for throwing all that opportunity away to become a grassroots activist at the southside of CHICAGO!! how in the world you can claim he's not understanding the "blaxk experience" when most of his life in public service relied on HELPING those that are struggling thru that experience....

do your research before assuming

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Francis Crosby, Columbus Georgia. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:36:54 GMT

OMG!!

Mark don't try to clear anything up! MSNBC is much better at clouding issues when it comes to the Democratic race. Honestly "you" are not concerned with truth or the reality of events. "You" are much more interested in making news, than reporting the way it actually happens. Many of us are much smarter than you think, and in a lot more cases than you think, we are smarter than "you." Yes I read and sometimes watch "your" shows, but "you" have never changed my mind (about anything,) and I suspect it is the same for legions of others who read, watch, and listen...

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JG, Austin, TX — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:39:05 GMT

If experience really mattered to the Dem voters, Biden and Dodd would be fighting it out for the nomination at this time.

Hillary has about as much experience as this nation's chief executive as a General's wife would have commanding troops in combat. I watched the debates, she clearly has the ability to memorize her talking points - but she does not strike me as a leader.

Obama has the skill set to be a very good leader. That much is clear from watching the debates. He has probably about as my experience as JFK had when he was elected back in 1960 (Nixon was the experience candidate back then). JFK turned out OK. Obama will too.., if this country gets smart and gives him a chance.

If Hillary wins the nomination, I'll probably vote for MCain (who at least seems decent & has some character). If both Romney & Hillary make the general election.., I might have to move to Canada in 09.

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Aha! — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:54:37 GMT

Obama is starting to sound more like Bush, everyday.

Hillary get the popular vote, and Obama was to pull a "Florida"-type of move.

Interesting.

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voter — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:01:31 GMT

Yeah Obama is not even man enough to give concession speech. You Obama supporters would of attacked Hillary if she was not classy enough to give a speech in Iowa. He is nothing but a fast talker with no class.

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John — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:33:50 GMT

I fully agree--Why is everyone so afraid of the Clinton's. The rules are the rules. If Obama won the delegates-he won the delegates. Ted Kennedy and Rahm Emmanuel have called Bill and told him to calm down (Newsweek article). I still think he going to implode before this is all over, but why destroy a sure Democratic victory by tearing the party to shreds. If by some stretch Hillary gets the nomination, but African Americans in particular, Independents and others refuse to participate in the general because of the behavior and tactics of the Clinton's what's the point?

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NinaK — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:00:49 GMT

January 18, 2008 at 12:12:12

Hillary Clinton's Sleaze Parade

by Paul Rogat Loeb Page 1 of 1 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com

Politics can be a rough game. Candidates need to hold their competitors accountable and challenge distortions and lies. And God knows, we need a Democratic nominee who's willing to fight. But Hillary Clinton's campaign has included far too many cheap shots, sleazy manipulations, and unsavory players.

New questionable actions emerge daily. You're probably familiar with many. But it's the broader pattern that disturbs me--how much the Clinton campaign seems to nurture questionable actions from her operatives, supporters, and surrogates. And how the campaign's actions go beyond drawing legitimate political lines to an all-too-Rovian instinct to do whatever's deemed necessary to take down those blocking Clinton's potential victory. Here's a representative list of actions that, taken together, offer a troubling portent for her candidacy and presidency.

Start with the hiring of chief campaign strategist, Mark Penn. He's CEO of a PR firm, Burson-Marsteller, that prepped the Blackwater CEO for his recent congressional testimony, is advising the giant industrial laundry corporation Cintas in fighting unionization, and whose website proudly heralded their union-busting expertise until it became a potential Clinton liability and they removed that section. B-M has historically represented everyone from the Argentine military junta and Philip Morris to Union Carbide after the 1984 Bhopal disaster.

Then there are Clinton's campaign donors. Any major candidate has some dubious supporters, but Clinton's gotten money from particularly noxious sources. Start with her donation from Rupert Murdoch, who's given to no other Democrat. Add in massive amounts of money from Washington lobbyists and from industries like defense, banking, health care, and oil and energy providers (though Obama's also gotten a lot from some of these industries). Then there's Norman Hsu, who brought in over $850,000 to Hillary's campaign after returning to the US following his flight to evade a fraud conviction (Hsu was subsequently rearrested, sentenced to three years, and is facing further federal charges, and the campaign eventually returned the money he'd raised). There's the Nebraska data processing company InfoUSA, whose CEO, Vin Gupta, used private corporate jets to fly the Clintons on business, personal, and campaign trips, gave Bill Clinton a $3.3 million consulting contract, and is now being investigated by the Securities and Exchange Commission for allegedly diverting company money to his own personal uses. Mississippi attorney Dickie Scruggs recently canceled a major December 15 Hillary fundraiser (with Bill Clinton headlining) after being indicted for trying to bribe a judge. Major international sweatshop owners, the Saipan-based Tan family, have given Clinton $26,000, complementing their previous massive support for Jack Abramoff and Tom Delay. That doesn't even count dubious supporters from the past, like Peter Paul, the convicted con-artist turned event producer who coordinated a massive Hollywood Clinton fundraiser during the 2,000 election. Taken together, it's a pretty tainted constellation of backers.

Like most candidates, Clinton spends the bulk of her money on ads and mailings, and she's taken some pretty problematic approaches there too. I wonder how many of the New Hampshire women who voted last minute for Clinton were swayed by a mailing claiming that Obama wasn't really committed to abortion rights because he'd voted "present" on some abortion-related legislative votes. Except that Obama had done so as part of a strategy devised by Illinois Planned Parenthood to protect vulnerable swing district representatives. New England Planned Parenthood's Board Chair strongly refuted Clinton's letter, pointing out that Obama had a 100% record on all the votes that really mattered. But the mailing may still have damaged his support.

The distortion of Obama's position on abortion echoes Hillary's audacious argument that Obama really wasn't against the Iraq war and betrayed his promises by failing to vote against war appropriation bills after the Democrats couldn't override Bush's veto. I wish Obama had bucked the Democratic leadership and taken a stronger stand. But it's a gross distortion of history to equate his positions with Clinton's overt support for the war authorization, refusal to apologize for her vote, and claim that she was really doing it all to promote more diplomatic solutions.

We can find further distortions in a mailing sent out before the Iowa caucuses by the independent expenditure committee of a key Clinton ally, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. The AFSCME mailing attacked Obama on his health care plan by using a John Edwards quote that was featured so prominently that recipients could assume that his campaign was the source of the attack piece. This and other actions so disturbed a group of seven AFSCME International Vice Presidents wrote a public letter to their union president, saying that although the union had endorsed Clinton on a split vote, the political committee had no mandate to attack Obama. They demanded the committee stop what they called "fundamentally dishonest" attacks.

Other surrogates have attacked Obama's character. Twice they've tried to raise Obama's early drug use as a campaign issue--despite his having addressed it directly and frankly in his book Dreams From My Father. Hillary's New Hampshire campaign chair, Billy Shaheen, mentioned it first, claiming that he was only worried about how the Republicans might use it. Sheehan resigned from the campaign after a storm of criticism, then Black Entertainment Television CEO Robert Johnson (who's backed Bush on issues like the estate tax) raised it again, with Clinton standing next to him at a South Carolina rally. After Johnson's words drew major heat, Clinton belatedly distanced herself from them, but the smear still stands, along with the disingenuous claim that those making it were just neutral participants, only trying to serve the Party's best interests.

Clinton's campaign also attacked the John Edwards campaign for appearing in New Hampshire with the parents of Nataline Sarkisyan, the 17-year-old leukemia patient who died after CIGNA refused her a liver transplant. Clinton press secretary Jay Carson claimed that the US needs to elect "somebody who's actually going to help people and not use them as talking points." Never mind that the Sarkisyans had initiated the chance to speak out by contacting Edwards about appearing at a Manchester New Hampshire town hall campaign appearance. To the Clinton campaign, their appearance had to be suspect, because they were supporting Edwards and his ideas.

The campaign has also attempted more directly to discourage participation by voters who might support Clinton's opponents. A judge just shut down the lawsuit filed by the pro-Clinton leadership of the Nevada teacher's union, which sought to prevent long-scheduled caucuses from being held at central locations on the main casino strip, where workers largely represented by the Obama-endorsing Culinary Workers Union would find it easier to attend. When asked, Hillary Clinton claimed to have "no opinion on the lawsuit" and Bill Clinton overtly supported it.

New Hampshire saw parallel voter suppression tactics, as the campaign encouraged the New Hampshire Democratic Party to evict Obama get-out-the-vote observers from the polls. In Iowa, the Clinton Campaign tried to discourage out-of-state students from returning to their campuses to participate in the caucuses. In the Michigan primary, Clinton kept her name on the ballot after the state violated Democratic National Committee rules by moving its primary ahead of the Feb 5 "Super Tuesday" vote, while Edwards and Obama took theirs off.

Campaigns can have either closed or open information styles. Clinton's comes far too close to the Bush-Cheney model, as when the Clintons successfully killed a major story in the national men's magazine GQ about Clinton campaign infighting. Author Josh Green had written a long critical previous piece on Clinton for The Atlantic, and campaign press secretary Jay Carson threatened to deny the magazine access to Bill Clinton for a separate cover story on his international foundation work. GQ acquiesced and pulled the critical piece.

The flip side of trying to stop negative coverage is manufacturing praise. Clinton's campaign did this when they gave planted questions to Iowa student Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff, and according to Chasanoff, to other students as well. After being driven to a public event by Clinton interns, Chasanoff was introduced to a Clinton staffer who showed her a list of suggested questions to ask, one of which she used at Clinton's forum. It's not quite like Bush inviting the softball inquiries of former male-prostitute turned right-wing blogger Jeff Gannon. But it isn't so different either.

Taken together, these examples echo the Bush's administration's tendency to attack anyone who challenges them. They echo Clinton's refusal to apologize for her Iraq war vote or for an Iran vote so reckless that Jim Webb called it "Dick Cheney's fondest pipe dream." They hardly bode well for reversing the massive erosions of transparency of the past seven years.

The list could go on, but it's the pattern that's important. It's true that one person's cheap shot artist is another's fierce competitor. Obama himself has called politics "a full-contact sport," and used legal maneuvers to block a long-time state legislator when he first ran for office. And Democrats will need to be fierce in their campaigning if they're going to defeat the right-wing Swiftboating machine that gave Bush the last two presidencies. So maybe I'd be more charitable if I didn't disagree so strongly with Clinton's Iraq and Iran votes, and utter failure to take leadership in standing up to Bush when he was riding high in the polls. But I think I'd still have a problem. I look at the actions of her campaign, and see an ugly example, a ruthlessness not remotely equaled by either Obama or Edwards. I'll vote for the last Democrat standing, because the Republicans will continue the current administration's disastrous priorities. But Hillary's scorched-earth approach threatens to fracture the party if she does get the nomination, and to leave a trail of bitterness even if she wins. We can do better for the Democratic nominee.

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Kagey St Paul, MN — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:06:16 GMT

Delegate counts are the meat. Popular votes mean squat in presidential elections. The players in this political campaign know the game. This may just be hard fought and longer than the pundits can project. In spite of some arguable deficiencies in the electoral system, that is the game. We would all do well, after 2000, to remember that.

That said, Obama is no loser. Perhaps Hillary should give a concession speech, by way of a civics lesson? A five point caucus victory does not a delegate victory make.

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Joseph, Los Angeles, CA — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:10:29 GMT

In 2000, Gore won the popular vote but lost to George W. Bush in terms of delegates to the Electoral College. Many people thought that was unfair. It is very ironical, then, for Obama supporters to insist that their candidate won because he has one delegate more than her when Clinton won the popular vote in Nevada.

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Cagey — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:12:18 GMT

Regarding Mr. Johnson. I didn't know that there was a litmus test for blackness and I am Black! I have an advanced degree, so does my spouse. I grew up in the city too, in a house, with a dog and a yard and so did my neighbors. I know a lot of other Black people who grew up in the suburbs and rural areas. Come on now, that is so tired. To quote the rapper Rakim, "It ain't where you from, it's where you at!"

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NinaK — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:27:42 GMT

Jermaine Johnson, I am very sorry to hear of your plight. What are you doing to better yourself and your circumstances?? Have you tried moving out of the inner city and getting a better-paying job? Senator Obama was not born into wealth, he was raised by a single mom then with his grandparents, they were not wealthy either. He worked hard to get to where he is at, things were not given to him on a silver platter. Anyone of us can make something out of our lives when we make the effort. You have to go to it, it is not going to come to you. Good luck to you.

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Clayton McGrath, Queens, Ny — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:43:37 GMT

The Political system award the winner of the state, not by popular votes but by the number of delegates won, Bush became president the first time by dlegates count and not by popular votes, if that is so Hilary lost Nevada and Obama is the BIG WINNER!!! ja ja ja...sorry Hillary fans, OBAMA WON NEVADA acording to our Democratic system of goverment.

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Adrienne Scott Austin Tx. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:49:56 GMT

Obama grew up in the US. He wrote a book about what it was like to be black in America. Yet there was a twist... he was half white. Not only did he experience rejection from white people because he was black ad had a fro... he experienced some rejection from full blood blacks. He was subject to racism all the way around. Despite the strikes against him he graduated from Columbia University and spent years as a community organizer for inner city black youth. He then went on to be a star at Harvard Law School, becoming the first African-American president of the renowned Harvard Law Review. After law school, he worked as a community organizer and a civil rights lawyer in Chicago. He also taught at the University of Chicago Law School as a senior lecturer specializing in constitutional law. Obama represented the South Side of Chicago in the Illinois State Senate from 1996–2004 as a Democrat. In 2004, he was elected to the U.S. Senate, winning with 70% of the vote. Obama became the only African-American serving in the U.S. Senate (and the fifth in U.S. history).

Obama could never pass as anything but black in a white world. He is one of you. He is one of me, too.
He is both of us brought together as one. It's not easy but like hope he will rise.

Still I Rise

You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may trod me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.

Does my sassiness upset you?
Why are you beset with gloom?
'Cause I walk like I've got oil wells
Pumping in my living room.

Just like moons and like suns,
With the certainty of tides,
Just like hopes springing high,
Still I'll rise.

Did you want to see me broken?
Bowed head and lowered eyes?
Shoulders falling down like teardrops.
Weakened by my soulful cries.

Does my haughtiness offend you?
Don't you take it awful hard
'Cause I laugh like I've got gold mines
Diggin' in my own back yard.

You may shoot me with your words,
You may cut me with your eyes,
You may kill me with your hatefulness,
But still, like air, I'll rise.

Does my sexiness upset you?
Does it come as a surprise
That I dance like I've got diamonds
At the meeting of my thighs?

Out of the huts of history's shame
I rise
Up from a past that's rooted in pain
I rise
I'm a black ocean, leaping and wide,
Welling and swelling I bear in the tide.
Leaving behind nights of terror and fear
I rise
Into a daybreak that's wondrously clear
I rise
Bringing the gifts that my ancestors gave,
I am the dream and the hope of the slave.
I rise
I rise
I rise.

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Jeff — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:14:03 GMT

cont'd... Obama and his wife worked for years on the southside of Chicago.

They have much more in common with urban grassroots activists than Billary Tyson Walmart Clinton will ever have.

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sonya, atlanta,ga — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:32:39 GMT

Hillary will not win the general. Look at NV, she won in major urban areas. But because of her racial baiting, she can not count of black voters and she doesn't have rural or independent support. Nominate her and watch the democratic party implode. Kennedy is right. Why is she cutting off her nose to spite her face. Because she only cares about herself and damn the democratic party or the rest of america.

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Granny J - Sioux City, Iowa — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:40:13 GMT

All you irresponsible democrats that have been voting for Hillary - don't expect we independents to throw in our support for her. WE AREN'T CONTROLLED BY THE FANATICAL LEFT LIKE YOU ALL ARE!!! If Hillary gets the nomination, to hell with the democratic party - I vote either republican or for Bloomberg, whichever looks best at the time. Obama supporters are not like you all. We looked and saw the BEST candidate and support him 100%. We are smart enough to know that over 3700 of our young military have died in a senseless war because Hillary and all her cohorts were stupid enough to give Bush the right-of-way to go to war. Her judgment was wrong THEN and it's wrong NOW. One question...who is paying for the secret service to follow Bill Clinton all over the country campaigning for his wife? I think it's irresponsible for an ex-president to campaign for ANYONE! His testiness the past few weeks brings disgrace to his position as ex-president. Get a life, Bill! Go chase a few women and quit acting like a child!

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honan, las vegas — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:15:01 GMT

Are journalists writing these stories or idiotic misinformed media hacks? GET THE FACTS FIRST BEFORE YOU REPORT – PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU POST MISINFORMATION!!
NEVADA HAS NOT ASSIGNED NATIONAL DELEGATES! HILLARY CLINTON WON THE NEVADA CAUCUS!!!
THE OFFICIAL statements from Nevada are:

**OFFICIAL Statement by Nevada Democratic Party Chair Jill Derby: (Las Vegas, NV) "The Nevada Democratic Party and its officials have taken great effort to maintain our neutrality in the presidential campaign and the integrity of our process. Just like in Iowa, what was awarded today were delegates to the County Convention, of which Senator Clinton won the majority. No national convention delegates were awarded. We look forward to our county and state conventions where we will choose the delegates for the nominee that Nevadans support."

Las Vegas Sun latest report:
Clinton’s win over Barack Obama in Nevada gives her much-needed momentum going into next Saturday’s South Carolina Democratic primary, where Obama was seen as having an advantage because of that state’s large African-American population.

Her victory today included a stunning showing at the nine controversial at-large sites on the Las Vegas Strip — where she won seven of those precincts.

However, during the late afternoon, the Culinary-backed Obama campaign tried to throw some cold water on Clinton’s victory.

Using arcane caucus math and a formula that figured in Obama’s results in rural Nevada, his camp insisted that Obama actually won Nevada by taking 13 of the Silver State’s 25 national delegates. However, party leaders put out a statement saying Obama’s camp was flat wrong.

As one smart blogger noted today, “In the face of tough situations and defeat, it is disappointing to watch Obama's behavior contradict his rhetorics for positive change. He has been dismissive of Clinton while uplifting of Reagan. That instigates division among democrats. He was quick to acknowledge a black man's contribution to civil rights and totally unrecognizing of other white men's contribution and even spanned racist sentiment against Hillary for equalizing the contributions of MLK with Johnson's. That instigates division among Americans. When he lost in Nevada he lost his grace and whined, even suggesting the others did not run a clean campaign. His campaign even gave misleading statements about the delegate-winning process. If he's not ready, he's not ready. It's tougher in national elections. He cannot be whining and accusatory all the time. If he thinks being ordinarily candid about questions like "what's your weakness" is good, he's being naive. His answer is not wrong but it's not the kind that will come prudent and respectable in the world stage and even presidential league. No president can be perfect but America cannot go from one extreme (GWBush) to another extreme (BHObama). The experienced person can fail and there is greater probability that an inexperienced person would fail. Obama is running for the presidency now, not because he is called for a vision, but because he is compelled by a favourable condition. His candidacy is not about hope. His hope is about his candidacy. “

As for Obama’s aides and the latest misinformation from the Obama campaign … keep spinning, we are not listening…you are an Obomination to the democratic process AND your candidate…

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Jason in San Diego — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:19:59 GMT

The simple fact of that matter is this. The primaries is a race for delegates. Much like in the general election, where the candidates vie for electoral votes, not the popular vote, in the primaries, the candidates are trying to win delegates. While the popular vote is usually on-par with who wins the most delegates, it's not always. To this end, the person who won the most delegates should be considered the winner. When convention time comes, and the party picks its nominee, the choice will be whomever has the most delegates, NOT the candidate that received the greatest number of voters voting for them.

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FACT, — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:29:07 GMT

Two of Clinton's cards were played, Both were losers. The race card and the gender card! She jumped out of a loss in NV right into CA with the race card again. Those black people don't like pandering.

Two faced and self serving agenda, Well even the gender shall see how hollow the great HRC is. HRC, nothing more than a puppet for B.Clinton.

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Greg Burlington VT — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:38:33 GMT

I'm so dissappointed in the democrats right now, The republican party is a mess, and almost any democratic candidate should win because the republicans are not going to come out to vote FOR any one of their candidates, but if the democrats nominate hillary, you can bet that the republicans will be coming out of the woodwork to vote against Hillary. (what do you think that will do to all the close congressional seats we won 2 years ago?) There's a huge group of republicans who hate her. I personally won't vote for her because I think she'd be a poor president. COME ON democrats vote for the one who will win in November.

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Power has spoken — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:53:18 GMT

The thrill of seeing the real power!! Uncle Teddy reamed slick Willy. I wonder the EX-president, what a meaning less chump. He might be the puppet master, but he better shut up while he is in the lime light!!!!!

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Bill Greene — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:16:57 GMT

Mr. Jermaine Johnson thoughtlessly writes:

"He don't know what the hell we've lived thru.
Obama is not one of us.

I never support or vote for Obama."

And Hillary is "one of us?"

You are myopic.

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mazen — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:34:49 GMT

people . for your information !!
this is a (DELEGATE) race , again i would say it a (DELEGATE) race ..
if hillary wins only in clark which is one of 17 country in Nevada .. this the calculations is right . obama did win in everywhere ! it is not a one city (las vegas) race ... it is a whole state remember that

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small fact? — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:37:12 GMT

Obama , he can now run away with commanding lead, Billy boy just shot the spouse. Ted Kennedy reamed ass, and when the lord of the DNC speaks ""One B.C better listen.

Yes, Mr,J.J there is no justice We all would have a silver spoon and media in our pocket. But we were given one small important item no others in the world have freedom? No your vote! But yes in the end, the electoral can and has over ridden your vote and mine, justice """really the dollar""!

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Indie Illinois — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:45:13 GMT

By looking at this blog and seeing what is going on
right now within the Democratic Party, I can see why Ted and Rahm are telling Bill to shut up in so many words. Look people this division has severely damaged this party. I am an independent who was looking to vote for a dem this go round, but looking at how things are in the dem party I am starting to get turned off by what I see. I found it interesting that on one of the MSNBC programs Howard Fineman said that there will be a civil war within the Democratic Party, and the war will be between the sides of the Clintons
and Obamas and that this war will just make it more and more easy for a Republican to win in November. I think both Democratic candidates need to worry about supressing the votes of either side (Why?) because in looking at this blog and looking about what is going on in this party, someone will feel that one side ganged up on the other a little bit too much and will not forgive them for it. I do believe the Dems worst fear is that the Republicans shallow their pride and nominate John McCain (whioh if the Republicans see the damage that is being caused on the dems side will capitalize on it with McCain wooing the voters of those felt their dem candidated got the bum rap (ie if Hillary is the dem candidate, McCain will woo independents, moderate dems, and African-Americans). So I think the Democratic Party in the short term may call this a "spirited contest" on their side, but this will actual help the republicans in the long term win in the fall. And after that is all done, who will be to blame? Clinton? Obama? the media? the Democratic Party? or the supporters of either candidate?

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jaz — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:09:49 GMT

Sun-Times Exclusive: Obama surfaces in Rekzo's federal corruption case
Source confirmed Obama is the unnamed "political candidate" referred to in document which outlines case against Rezko
January 19, 2008

BY DAVE MCKINNEY, NATASHA KORECKI, CHRIS FUSCO AND TIM NOVAK Staff Reporters

For the first time, Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama has surfaced in the federal corrupton case against his longtime campaign fund-raiser, Tony Rezko, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned.
The Illinois senator isn’t accused of any wrongdoing. And there’s no evidence Obama knew contributions to his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign came from schemes Rezko is accused of orchestrating.

The allegations against Rezko that involve Obama are contained in one paragraph of a 78-page document filed last month in which prosecutors outline their corruption and fraud case against Rezko, who was also a key money man for Gov. Blagojevich and other politicians.

Rezko is set to go to trial Feb. 25. The revelation that Obama’s name could come up in court is a political headache he doesn’t need as he heads into a round of primaries that are likely to determine his party’s nomination for president.

Obama is not named in the Dec. 21 court document. But a source familiar with the case confirmed that Obama is the unnamed “political candidate” referred to in a section of the document that accuses Rezko of orchestrating a scheme in which a firm hired to handle state teacher pension investments first had to pay $250,000 in “sham” finder’s fees. From that money, $10,000 was donated to Obama’s successful run for the Senate in the name of a Rezko business associate, according to the court filing and the source.

Rezko, who was part of Obama’s senatorial finance committee, also is accused of directing “at least one other individual” to donate money to Obama and then reimbursing that individual — in possible violation of federal election law.

A spokesman for U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald declined to comment.

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Dr. A, Chicago, IL — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:15:37 GMT

Joey B -
Please take a minute to actually READ Hillary's autobiography and then look at the facts.

Obama has more public service and political years served than Hillary!

Contrary to her 35 years rhetoric, it does not stand true.
I don't count being someone's wife as actual experience in the political arena. Would you let your doctor's spouse practice medicine on you, or let a surgeon's spouse operate on you....OF COURSE NOT!
You need a reality check!

Hillary's background -
1. President of Young REPUBLICANS
2. Supported Goldwater.... look up who that is because you probably don't know.
3. First lady of Arkansas - 16 years
4. First lady of White House - 8 years.
5. New York State Senate rep. in White House
Geez...where is her own experience here. She's riding on the coat tails of Bill Clinton with name recognition, and him actually being more vocal about the campaign than Hillary.
Reminds me alot of the Bush Dynasty...and we all know how that ended up.

Obama -
1. Constitutional professor
2. Civil Right Attorney
3. Illinois State Senate member for 8 years
4. Illinois State Rep. Senator in Washington.

I don't want someone in office who needs her husband to come and be in charge and basically hold a one-sided debate against Obama.
If Bill wants to reenter the political arena, then Obama should be allowed to debate him in a public forum, with or without Hillary.

I used to be a Clinton fan, but they are making me sick. Enough with the double team. If Hillary has what it takes to be the President, she should NOT need her husband to come to be running this campaign.

Enough with the dynasty politics in this country.
Everyone needs to go read the facts and stop listening to anyone's campaign rhetoric...the facts speak for themselves.

Go Obama!
Obama for President!

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Dr. A, Chicago, IL — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:23:09 GMT

Mr. Johnson
-
You also need a reality check.
Here in America, you need to work for what you want, just like Senator Obama.

I am a black physician, and let me tell you...nothing was handed to me. I have black patients who ask me...how did you get to be a doctor?, my response is "Just like everyone else. I worked hard, made good grades, studied like crazy, did well on the MCAT, got into medical school and worked some more..." How sad that Blacks in this country think that if someone is successful or professional they did not start off with the same set of cards. WRONG Mr. Johnson, it's what you do with them. That's what separates the leaders from the followers.

And believe me, people from the inner city go to Harvard and become attorneys every year.

Don't criticize Senator Obama for doing well.

Obama grew up being raised by a single mother, and lived in poverty for most of his childhood and adolescence. Read his autobiography.

Please, everyone just pick up a book and read. Learn about who these candidates really are....Obama is more like you than privileged, previous Republican Clinton. Even Edwards, like Obama has a true story of triumph in an American society where then poor are left to rot.

Obama and Edwards have both struggled and survived against the odds.

Please read something Mr. Johnson, that last response was uninformed and not true.

Obama for President!

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Sean — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:31:50 GMT

To try to take away a big win for Hillary (as it was) is ridiculous. If he does end up with 13 to a 12 for her - she still won the majority of the state (51%) and strongly ahead of him.

Oh, yeah, let's not focus on popular vote - remember the last time the country did that?

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Dave, Fairfax, Va. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:37:21 GMT

It is true that the the Clinton campaign has been saying for weeks that the accumulation of delegates is more important than winning states; now that Obama wins more delegates in Nevada they say they won the State. No more Bush/Clinton/Bush...We need to go another direction with Obama. The Hispanic vote in Nevada was a fluke. In NY and NJ, you have Puerto Ricans who will not follow the Clinton line...by the time Obama returns to the West, Obama will win the Hispanic vote over Clinton. Finally, Bill is looking alot like a angry person - expect another outburst on 25 Jan - the day before the SC primary or even before then since he has done this once a week the last month. OBAMA 08! YOU WON NEVADA!

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Jaycee, Venura, California — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:45:04 GMT

Joey B., What is nuts is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Experience itself is value neutral. Judgement and the ability to unify and provide direction is what really counts in a president. Take a look at the cumulative experience of all the people who got us into this mess in Iraq, just as experienced people got us into Vietnam. Listen to the words of Robert McNamara, the Donald Rumsfeld of Vietnam, in the documentary "The Fog of War" as he recounts how the experience of WWII and its aftermath led them to completely misjudge the situation in southeast Asia such with tragic consequences for our nation. Barack Obama has just the right amount of experience. Enough to know how the system works, but not so much that he can't imagine any other way. He has consistently shown sound, even prescient judgement and I am completely comfortable giving him my wholehearted support.

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Tom, South Carolina — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:47:47 GMT

Jermaine Johnson

I think you are not black; just posing to start a class war...(separate blacks so Clinton can win)here we go, another Clinton attack but in a different way (low profile). Shame on you for acting like this... The Clinton attack machine has no decency... You and your Rove tactics are ruthless and dirty. Everyone, watch this racial (very low profile - under the radar emerge this week). You guys are dispicable. It is starting folks...Let us get on the boards and continue our march to the White House with everyone on board!
OBAMA 08!

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PulSamsara — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:00:56 GMT

Go Barack !

Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States of America.

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PulSamsara — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:07:46 GMT

Mr. Jermaine Johnson.
If that's really your name and you are who you claim to be (hmmmmmm) - you seem to be suffering from the same low self image that would say that young black students are 'acting white' if they take an interest in education. Mr. Jermaine (or what ever your name really is) you've gotta' Wake Up! It's time for America to Rise and Shine - not be held back by the slow naysayers from both directions. Wake Up.

Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States.

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Dillon — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:09:04 GMT

Well Mr.Jermaine, take it from an black man who grew up and is currently still living on the southside of Chicago, Obama is very much one of us and is someone who has been active in the community. What has amazed me the most during his campaign for president aren't white people who may have a problem with his race but self- defeatist blacks like you who hold his to some ridiculous standard of blackness but won't hold Hilary to the same standard to earn your vote. You know what you're right, he isn't like you, he's got the courage to put his life and reputation on the line to be the first person of color in the White House while cowards like you you just sit back and complain about it. Either get off your butt and be a part of the solution or get a life.

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Nashville_fan — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:57:48 GMT

To Mr. Jermaine Johnson:

Pretty funny for you to declare your self judge and jury of the "black experience". The black experience is the American experience, which is the entire point of Senator Obama's campaign. Try to shake those shackles off of your brain long enough to think for yourself just this once. You may be pleasantly surprised.

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Billy, Normal, IL — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:13:33 GMT

I guess it just depends on what your definition of the word "victory" is.

Lord save us from the Clintons. Haven't we had enough?

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Deborah, Atlanta — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:47:13 GMT

Okay...Let's really look at Iowa:

Obama - 1st place - 16 delegates
Clinton - 3rd place - 15 delegates
John Edwards - 2nd place - 14 delegates

WHY DIDN'T YOU RAISE HELL THEN? Edwards came in 2nd place and got fewer delegates than Hillary!!!

Let's stop playing the wrong side of the fence here. These are the rules and are very clear...Obama got more delegates, but Hillary won the popular vote. Let's keep it in perspective, folks!

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Matt S, Lawrence, KS — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:47:21 GMT

I am sorry JoeyB, but I cannot abide incorrect information. Your outrage over Obama's "less than 2 years of public service" is so factually incorrect in indicates complete indifference to the truth. For starters, he was elected to US Senate in 2004. Seeing as it is now 2008, one might wonder how you have less than 2 years service over that period of time. Furthermore, he was elected to State Senate in 1996. Meaning, he has been in public office since 1996, before Hillary. Please let me know how this makes him so inexperienced and with less than 2 years of public service

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Viki, Portland, Oregon — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:31:43 GMT

Obama is loosing. He didn’t even address his supporters yesterday on TV. His campaign just released statement. He is fake. He is trying so hard to “look” presidential on TV debates (can not wait till Monday debates (Obama is going to make another jock instead of answering questions). His “hope” speeches are not fooling anyone anymore. America needs thoughtful leader who is problem solver, who can deliver results.
Hillary is that leader.
I am really surprised how media trying to put some dirt on Hillary victory in Nevada. She won! Go Hillary!!!

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zb Nevada — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:09:55 GMT

As I watched MTP the morning I could not help but ask myself what has happened to the 4th Estate. Instead of objectively reporting or analyzing the news for the benefit of the public they were all politicizing it toward their own biase. The remarks of the panelists were clearly intend to alter opinion rather than inform it. Obviously this is not just a problem of MTP but virtually all news media has become an arm of politics cleverly disguised as information. Welcome to the brave new world of fox news.

And how ironic that someone who campaigns on the notion of uniting the nation has done so much to fracture the Democratic party. As a democrat do i really want independents who can't see the difference between a McCain and an Obama influencing who our candidate will be. I have no intention of cutting the baby in half with people who not long ago thought voting for George W. Bush was a good idea. zb

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Ed, Connecticut — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:24:38 GMT

Clinton won Nevada in much the same way that Gore won the 2000 election (the likelihood that he actually won the 2000 election aside - it's an analogy). Yet, in 2000, when the final results were in, we didn't see any articles claiming "Gore Wins!" with a mention of Bush's win in the electoral college buried in the 4th paragraph, as some news outlets have done with Obama's victory in national delegates.

While I think calling it a "split" is the proper way to report this, I think it's as disingenuous to declare Clinton the Nevada winner as it would have been to declare Gore the winner based on the popular vote in 2000.

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Debbie, Wisconsin — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:43:34 GMT

This is great news!

Someone on another blog said this:

"If Gore isn't President, then Obama won Nevada"

Obama beat her in Iowa by 1 delegate
Obama tied her in New Hampshire
Obama beat her in Nevada by 1 delegate

In Nevada, Hillary won a street, but Barack won the state!

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Kevin, SF, CA — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:31:26 GMT

Hillary's campaign won the state all right, but not without major voter fraud and suppression. I cannot bring myself to support a candidate who runs a campaign like this.

I just can't bring myself to stomach endorsements of a candidate whose campaign engages in dirty tactics, including voter fraud:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/19/162953/644/790/439573

Hillary has every chance to put the kibosh on these tactics, yet chooses not to do so.

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Kevin, SF, CA — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:32:36 GMT

I'm with Jeremy. I supported Biden, and now support Obama after Joe dropped out. I WILL NOT VOTE if Hillary becomes the nominee. I know many other Democrats who feel the same way. How's THAT for electability?

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Jeff, Portland, Oregon — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:36:12 GMT

JoeyB Pittsburgh Pa....You are terribly uninformed. Obama has 10 years of experience in public service... More than Clinton or Edwards. The accusations that he is inexperienced have routinely been refuted on this First Read board and many others and it makes my question the intelligence and/or morality of Clinton supporters to countinually repeat obvious lies and mischaracterizations. If you compare a side by side list of qualifications of Obama and Clinton, and gather a list of prominent supporters of both candidates you will see this point is moot.

Mr. Jermaine Johnson....I have never once heard Obama claim he was from the inner city and that he was from a certain "black experience". He has never injected is personal race into this campaign. Find and give me a quotation of his in which you base your dislike from Obama in the context for which you critizie him.

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Debbie, Wisconsin — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:48:08 GMT

Here are the facts, no matter which side of this you are on.

The FIRST person to reach 2025 delegates will win the Democratic nomination.

Obama beat Clinton in Iowa by 1 delegate - (Obama 16) (Clinton 15)

Obama tied Clinton in New Hampshire - (Obama 9) (Clinton 9)

Obama beat Clinton in Nevada by 1 delegate - (Obama 13) (Clinton 12)

Total State Delegates awarded to date:
Obama 38
Clinton 36

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blue — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:50:36 GMT

vote early, vote often, vote republican!!

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Ed W., Elmhurst, IL — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:51:44 GMT

The Clintons turn my stomach. Once again their filthy political tactics dominate the campaign. I support Obama, but if Hillary gets the nomination - I MUST vote for her. The problems the country and planet face cannot be addressed by a Republican.

Let's hope Hillary and Bill don't destroy the other party in the process...

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Dee/Tucson,Ariozna — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:17:24 GMT

Still waiting for Obama to congratulate Hillary on her win. What a sore loser, runs home when he lost.
Is that what we want for President? Don't think so. Hillary won the popular vote and that makes her the winner in my eyes. The Democrat party better start getting it together or they are toast in November again.

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Shane, Toledo, Ohio — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:30:31 GMT

Hillary Clinton has LESS EXPERIENCE than Obama.

Being the FIRST LADY does not make you experienced. It's symbolic. You read story books to kiddies and cut ribbons at the opening of some museum some place. The only things she was actually in charge of during Bills WH years turned into HUGE FAILURES -- HillaryCare and the Travel Office firings.

If Hillary Clinton has experience, than so does Laura Bush, and so does Barbara Bush, and so does Nancy Reagan and so does BETTY FORD and PAT NIXON.

Being somebodies wife does not give you experience. Would we have sent Neil Armstrong's wife to walk on the moon? Would we have sent Eisenhower's wife to defeat the Germans?

Look, I'm an Obama supporter, I don't think Hillary lack of experience should entirely disqualify her from running. I do think that all of your rabid supporters should do a reality check. Argue she's more informed. Argue she's got a better vision. But to blatenly LIE and say she's experienced... it's just pathetic.

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Frankie Crosby, Columbus Georgia. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:45:22 GMT

OMG!!

Billary the Monolithic...

MSNBC, is going to "Clarify" how sweet. Please allow me just a little bit of assistance!!

Mark, try not to speak... The MSNBC political agenda is not going to be realized... You're buddy Chris Matthews, already knows and has conceded... So I humbly recommend that you, and the rest, of the distortionist, at MSNBC, jump off the Obama band wagon, and *just report the news*.... No it is not "muddled" you folks at MSNBC, are, and have been muddled.

Just report the news now.. and accept your defeat, gracefully MSNBC did make a "Herculean" effort to color and change the election for Obama.

Not to take anything away from Obama, he is decent chap but the Republicans will grind his bones to make their bread. Everyone is starting to see this now, so your ploy to try and keep it an interesting and tightly contested race... Has lost it's steam. I enjoyed it too, but, I am not blind or stupid. The writing is on the wall for all who want to read it... For those who don't that's fine, it's a free country despite the news organizations being little more than political agenda organizations.

No need to clarify, Billary won. There will be fight in South Carolina, and maybe the Obamaites will carry the day, but it's only for political drama... On Super Tuesday, Hillary will win, and Billary will go on to win the nomination... One has to give Bill his due, he is far smarter than all of you at MSNBC, in politics. You all appear as mere embryo's, compared to a blue whale in its prime. The size or breadth differential, of depth, understanding, cunning, experience, practical know how, popularity, ingenuity, brilliance.... and more is of almost mythical proportions.

Bill Clinton is a juggernaut and he wants his wife to be President, and from every measure of the word it appears *she is capable.* So it is time for MSNBC, to accept... That is acceptance to the idea of... change the things "you" can.. accept the things "you" cannot.. and the wisdom to know the difference... They've beat you, no need to try and clarify, I, and many others, don't need clarification between an embryo and a political monolith "blue whale." This Moby Dick, verses a minnow don't need no explaining...Mark.

Get out of the way "Change" is coming... Whether you like this particular brand of change or not, matters little, game over, the king is dead, all hail the king...

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Frankie Crosby, Columbus Georgia. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:59:24 GMT

OMG!!

Holy Cow, at all the Obama spin...

It's over...

The end is in sight, Feb. 5th is the death knell of Obama's run. He made a good run but he was a little too slow... All the hype is not going to change it folks. Check the odds in Vegas, you can bet, put your money where your grand canyon sized mouths are... I know "you" won't do that because hype like talk is cheap.

Obama stands a good chance in South Carolina, but it is little more than political drama... He knows it's over, just as the sinking feeling the rest of the Obama supporters are beginning to "show" in their writings and desperational attacks.

They won't work now, Billary beat you, and Hillary wins and closes the deal on the 5th.

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Joe CP, Ojai, California — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:25:35 GMT

Obama won the state of Nevada,
Hillary a street in Las Vegas.

Obama won 12 out of 17 counties.

What part of the maths does Hillary doesn't understand?

Some clarity on those NV delegates

JoeCP, Ojai, Ca. — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:28:22 GMT

I would love a woman in the White House, but not a woman that is always under the directions and the nose of his husband. That woman is not running for candidacy now, so better have an independent man with a strong woman on his side. Yes, I mean: Obama.

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JoeCP — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:34:04 GMT

Still waiting Hillary to congratulate Obama on his win!!

Some clarity on those NV delegates

Elizabeth, Las Vegas, NV — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:24:47 GMT

"Washoe: Obama 50%, Clinton 41%, Edwards 9%
Douglas: Obama 50%, Clinton 43%, Edwards 8%
Elko: Obama 63%, Clinton 31%, Edwards 6% "

Hate to tell you this, but more people caucused in the casinos than in all three of those counties combined. Most of the population is in Clark County and that is what should count.

The Obama cheat of forcing open district caucusing in the Strip casinos backfired because only people actually working yesterday were allowed to caucus and they were NOT happy at being told how to vote. It also wasn't fair because they took votes outside the "golden hour" (11:00-12:00).

It disenfranchised a lot of voters who couldn't get to caucus because in a city like LV, people do not work 9-5 and that one hour for the Dems was just NOT enough. I know a few people who want to sue over the whole caucus thing, anyway.

I don't know where the AP is getting its lead from, but the local media says Hillary will be getting the contested delegate.

Some clarity on those NV delegates

Elizabeth, Las Vegas, NV — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:32:17 GMT

For all of you who say that Hillary has no experience outside of working with Bill, look up her background.

She started out working with Nixon right out of college. She was knee-deep in political stuff while Obama was still doing drugs.

Some clarity on those NV delegates

Dan, TX — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:53:25 GMT

Obama would be my first choice for President.
McCain would be my second choice.

I hope one of them wins the nomination of their party.

Some clarity on those NV delegates

Honestly, TX — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:56:09 GMT

The democratic nomination is a race between Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. It is Bill Clinton who is campaigning hardest. Hillary looks like a puppet to me.

Some clarity on those NV delegates

Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:16:37 GMT

Mr. Johnson I understand what you were trying to say and give you credit for trying to explain a difficult issue among some of us in the black community. You should be applauded for saying what many black folkes feel but are afraid to say so. Understand that it is not a question of Mr. Obama being black enough. To take a different spin on your comment, Mr.Obama is truly an African America and you hold the true legency of a black man in America and all that we have died for in the fight for equal rights. Our ancestors as well as the Martin Luther Kings, the Jesse Jacksons, the Al Sharptons as well many others, although you will only hear him praise MLK have enabled Mr. Obama to be where he is to day. I wonder other than his community work what is his experience in the civil rights movement. Mr Obama's only concern is to be the President and if it means him getting there by promoting himself as the President for everyone by denying who he is then Mr. Johnson you are the better man.

Some clarity on those NV delegates

Russ wells, maine — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:41:31 GMT

I hope Obama never steps aside just to give the clinton the white house by there self serving tactics...Obama has to go back at her...Its now or nothing.....Still waiting to find out what the other 28 yrs of experience are so that i can justify her being a commander in chief....Oh well maybe we will get the tears comming down again....Undecided and independents unite at let be the determing factor united.........Change

Some clarity on those NV delegates

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:17:57 GMT

All I know is, a win is a win, and a loss is a loss.
Hillary WON Nevada. Obama LOST.
Period.
She did it in spite of the Culinary Workers' endorsement of Obama, the casino voting, the dirty ad's Obama ran in spanish, and the media bias towards him too.

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No Hillary, South OC, CA — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:21:25 GMT

HRC is "Proven Leadership"???? That's the funniest joke I think I've ever heard!! Kinda like saying Bill Clinton set a good moral example when he was President or that the Clintons don't contradict themselves (Bill runs a mile every morning to set an example of healthy living...a jog that takes him right to the nearest McDondald's to chow on a cheeseburger and fries).

Dear God, ANYONE but HRC!!!

Some clarity on those NV delegates

No Hill, Oceanside, CA — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:27:23 GMT

Yeah, HRC = "Proven Leadership". That's why she seduced an entire state by crying in order to get the votes. Manipulation is paramount in the Clinton (be it Bill or Hill) way of 'leadership'. Any female could have pulled that off in NH and it wasn't leadership she was showing. The ONLY thing HRC is interested in is her own ego and what a great boost it will be to her to stick the White House feather in her cap. She could care less about 'change' or about the US, period.