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sotiredofignorance — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:38:38 GMT

Did anyone listen to Bush's speech? I'm done with his lies and glad that his administration will be over in less than a year. It is going to take a very long time to recover from what he has done to this nation. Wouldn't you hate to be the guy that had to tutor Bush to give any speech?

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Pat, Boston, MA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:40:50 GMT

With respect to voting next week in Massachusetts:

IF the New England Patriots win the Super Bowl this Sunday, their parade is scheduled to take place in Boston next Tuesday, primary day. No other choice. The team wouldn’t be back from Arizona in time for a parade on Monday and on Wednesday many of the players have to head to Hawaii for the pro bowl. So Tuesday it is.

I would imagine this can't be good for any of the candidates, especially Barack Obama.

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Brando, NY — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:44:19 GMT

YOU FOOLS, Ted Kennedy = Status quo. He's the one who calls the shots in the DEM party. He's NOT saying to Barack "Atta boy", he's saying "I CAN get you the nomination QUICKLY, I.E the SUPERDELEGATES" in exchange for your administration, IT'S ALL BUSSINESS AS USUAL, IT'S THE OLD QUID PRO QUO. You just SOLD your (POLITICAL) soul to the devil. Now, the party OWNS you, Barack, and you OWE them. YOU could've change, once and for all, the (WASHINGTON'S) rules but I guess you were better than that. What a shame, what a shame....INDEED.

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KENN — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:45:45 GMT

JOE SCARBORO HATES JON MACAIN AND HILLIARY ITS AS PLAIN AS THE NOES ON HIS FACE.

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Matt, Lawrence KS — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:46:03 GMT

the major endorsement for Hillary will be Sen.Joe Biden...

You heard it hear first...

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Pat, Boston, MA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:49:26 GMT

I can't help you on a response to President Bush's State of the Union speech - I watched it - with the mute button on the entire time.

I just sat and stared at Dick Cheney the entire night. What an evil, arrogant man. Good riddance to all of them.

Barack Obama/Jim Webb 2008.

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MSNBClovesObama, IL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:50:23 GMT

Florida DOES count – it’s the biggest state so far to vote and its demographics are a lot closer to the major February 5th states than South Carolina.

If Hillary performs well amongst women, seniors and Latinos, that will bode very well for her in many of the upcoming February 5th states.

And Obama’s snub of Hillary at the State of the Union last night – gee, that was really presidential. Can you imagine the press (especially Chris Matthews and the MSNBC crew) if it had been Hillary that snubbed Obama?

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Mary — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:53:19 GMT

The little man stands beside Oprah and Teddy and let them talk for him. Give us all a break. He will not win, but if he did...who is going to stand by his side and hold him up while he learns how to be a president? We will never know because the GOP would have a field day with him.

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Aaron O. Las Vegas , UT — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:55:01 GMT

If the nation wants change from Washington's quid quo pro it will be Obama and Romney. They really are the freshest meat at the market. However, if you are a namebrand...happy with what we have...kinda shopper McCain and Hillary will be interesting to choose from. Mix match these senerios and I see a democatic victory no questions asked.

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Dan, Ft. Myers — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:55:47 GMT

Go Hillary!!! FL wants you.

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Charles Waddi,Lawrenceville, Georgia — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:58:58 GMT

TODD.
Are you paid agents of the Obama campaign.You ae suppose to take a neutral stand rather than making nasty comments about Hillary & Bill. It is sad that you have lost many fans because of this unjustified personal attacks.

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Sierra, SF — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:02:01 GMT

From MSNBC last night:

Ted Kennedy:
"Barack Obama has opposed the Iraq war from the
beginning.
Son't let anybody tell you different with the POLITICS
OF DECEPTION"

Gee, I wonder WHO HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ?
WHO practices the POLITICS OF DECEPTION ?

Ted Kennedy:
"This man is ready to be President"

Hmmmmmmm ?
Who is he disagreeing with ?

According to Tim Russert: Today was a warning shot
from Ted Kennedy

Thank you, TED KENNEDY !!

Gee, Billary....
Maybe your LIES are gonna be EXPOSED !

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David Missouri — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:02:24 GMT

The Clintons "fairy tail" win in Flordia is only as good as their win in Michigan. The media should cover it like any rally and point out the truth. If they turn it into a "win" then the media shows lack of balance.

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Brianna Olsen, TX — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:03:46 GMT

How is McCain able to dodge his past his stance on immigration, finance reform, and his edgey grandpa like anger? If McCain does pull this off it is because of his millitary experience! Everyting else he has going for him is well removed from conservitism and gets more traction as an independant or moderate. I like McCain, but I am tried of our wars and big brother foreign policy that is bank rupting our country. America's power has always been its consuming economy...but left unchecked, America will fall to rising debt, outsorcing, and high dollar government spending. By the way you can't fight a war without money.

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Jan Toledo OH — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:04:47 GMT

Does anyone think that the coverage by MSNBC is not biased. You have the hosts constantly cutting up Hillary and Bill Clinton and swooning over Obama. It's getting rediculous. Why can't we just get straight news.

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Sierra, SF — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:05:44 GMT

MSNBC, Howard Fineman:

Hillary Clinton was nowhere to be seen
(was she in hiding ?)

Obama and Ted Kennedy stood together
They seemed to be the 'center of the Democratic Party'

It was Katherine Sibelius wo gave the Democratic
response
And Gov. Sibelius will endorse Obama today
There seems to be a flurry of endorsements for Obama
Where are Hillary's Senatorial endorsements ?
What Senators are endorsing Hillary ?

Watch for more endorsements in the next 8 days
They WON'T BE for Hillary

Why was Hillary hiding last night ?
Why did she slink off ?
Was she embarrassed ?
Why ?
Is her 'career of evil' ending ?
Is her 'campaign of evil' unraveling ?
Where was Bill ?
With another woman ?
Engaged in a romantic tryst ?

the 'Center of the Democratic Party'
The torch has been PASSED !

OBAMA '08

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txindep, Austin, TX — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:05:45 GMT

First, don't insult the FSU-Miami rivalry. I'm still stinging from the post-college fall of Charlie Ward. Is he still playing basketball? Second, The back-and-forth reveals more than just where these guys are on policies, it reveals how they see themselves and others. McCain has bought into the St John image and thinks his value is in his ability to ignore the public and facts in order to stubbornly stick to his preconceptions (remember, that's a strength in his view). Romney is much more able to read the public and reponds to what the people are looking for (remember, McCain thinks that's a fault). Romney is insulting McCain by simplifying policy stances, McCain is insulting Romney by saying he lacks character. Actually, McCain could easily hit Mitt on policy stuff and Romney could very easily hit McCain on character stuff, but they both choose their attacks based on their own world view. Personally, I'd rather have a competent manager who knows policy than a stubborn old goat, but that's just me.

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Robert Houston, TX — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:05:47 GMT

Obama never would have done well in Florida to begin with! He knows it- everybody knows it! He is lucky that he at least has an excuse; however, he will lose by 20 points and Hillary will get more people voting for her in Florida than Obama has had in South Carolina,New Hamphire and Michigan- COMBINED. We will never know the numbers from Iowa as they dont record individual votes- which is absurd.

If McCain wins- it's over for Romney on Feb 5. If Hillary wins 4 of the 5 largest states on Super Tuesday- even though Obama will continue- nobody has ever won a nomination who lost New York and California.

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John, Lake Worth, Florida — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:06:29 GMT

Sen. McCain: "The Issue Of Economics Is Not Something I've Understood As Well As I Should." "Like Mike Huckabee, who joked recently that he 'may not be the expert that some people are on foreign policy, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night,' McCain suggested to reporters Monday that American consumer culture offered a short cut to expertise. 'The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should,' McCain said. 'I've got Greenspan's book.'" (Sasha Issenberg, "McCain: It's About The Economy," The Boston Globe, http://www.boston.com/, Posted 12/18/07)

- Sen. McCain: "I Still Need To Be Educated." "On a broader range of economic issues, though, Mr. McCain readily departs from Reaganomics. His philosophy is best described as a work in progress. He is refreshingly blunt when he tells me: 'I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated.'" (Stephen Moore, "Reform, Reform, Reform," OpinionJournal.com, 11/26/05)

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niven h, easton, md — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:06:59 GMT

are you extremely happy now Chris and company? Now, I can feel why those women sent you that memo. You are so anti-hillary..and anything, big or small news against her...you really try to make the biggest deal to negative her..I am an unaffiliated voter..but will be going for Hillary.

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niven h, easton, md — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:07:50 GMT

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Aaron, Miami FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:08:47 GMT

McCain in many ways looks and tastes like a McDonald's McMuffin; packaged nice, really really good looks and amazing taste...but, unfortunately for McCain and McDonalds they will never be able to hide the unhealthy reality under all that great taste.

Just break down McCain’s not so healthy ingredients...

1.Grilled George W. Bush's tax cuts on both sides… in 2001 and 2003

2. joined 14 eggheads to make the gang of 14 that sought to find compromise on judicial appointments.

3.Muffen'd up Senate opposition to Bush administration policies on detainee interrogation

4.soft as butter on illegal immigration.

5.supported that cheesy campaign finance reform bill.
Why doesn’t Maverick McCain stand as he is…an independent? He really is a different species than the Republican Party of today.

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Enrique, Chicago, IL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:09:34 GMT

It's increasingly clear that Hillary will do and say anything to win. She agreed, along with the other candidates, to not allow FL to send delegates to the convention. She loses SC by a stunning 28% and now she changes her mind.

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rjohn, houston, tx — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:10:01 GMT

RE: Obama snubbing Clinton -- Yes it is a bitter race. That is a function not only of the two campaigns, but also expectations about politics after the past eight years. You cannot expect any discourse about race and gender to be civilized in a country that has relied on "Country vs. Enemy" binaries for the past eight years.

There is also a real added element of a feeling of desperation in the country, that I cannot possibly evaluate objectively, but I am seeing symptoms of.

I hope there is some enterprising journalist who is collecting the real "behind the scenes" stories of the campaigns. There are a million classical narratives at play here. It would be a real shame to not hear about this a few years down the line. I am available as a freelance research assistant if necessary. Get in Touch! =)

Nerdy tangent - Can you imagine what Al Gore's inbox or voicemail is like right now? The pressure must be really huge on him now. I do not envy his personal assistant(s).

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Sierra, SF — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:13:15 GMT

. Finally, isn't it amazing that Obama-Kennedy stepped on the State of the Union?...'

Obama and Kennedyu WERE the center of attention
See how Hillary tried to sidle up to them ?
WHAT did she say to Ted ?
'I promise to stop 'race baiting' ?

What a blow to Billary's campaign to have Ted Jennedy say that Obama 'IS PREPARED FOR THE PRESIDENCY' !!

The race is tightening...
And OBAMA HAS THE MOMENTUM !!

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Shelley, US — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:13:54 GMT

Rudy fans in Florida, I respect you BUT RUDY HAS NO CHANCE TODAY. Please help defeat McCain by voting for Mitt Romney. I beg you.

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kenn — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:15:29 GMT

IM AGAINST THE WAR I JUST FUND IT THATS RICH.BRING THE TROOPS HOME BARACK" IM A LIAR" OBAMA.IF HES AGAINST IT VOTE THAT WAY CHICKEN ,REALITY WHAT WHAT KEEPS HIM VOTING FOR WAR FUNDING??????????SEIARRIA maybe you can tell all of us why he voted for funding but is against the war maybe lip service to fools who think its easy.

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Mark S, NC — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:15:48 GMT

"Florida DOES count – it’s the biggest state so far to vote and its demographics are a lot closer to the major February 5th states than South Carolina.

If Hillary performs well amongst women, seniors and Latinos, that will bode very well for her in many of the upcoming February 5th states.

MSNBClovesObama, IL"

Whoever you are, if you follow politics at all, you should realize by now that FLORIDA as a state, as a populace, and certainly as a swing state in the general election does indeed matter. What doesn't matter AT ALL is the Democratic primary in Florida, which not only awards zero delegates towards the nomination, but which is uncontested (as all Dem candidates pledged) by Obama or Edwards.

So what will it mean if Hillary wins Florida tonight? That she can beat Mike Gravel. Congratulations, Senator.

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Sharon, Orlando — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:15:48 GMT

I just found it strange that Obama talks about being the unifier in all his speeches but he obviously turned his back on Hillary last night! He has done it time and time again. There is something that bothers me about a person who cannot shake things off. Is it immaturity? Is it naiveity? This is the bid league. Obama cannot expect to get a free ride into the White House. If he is a true unifier he needs to show a willingness to put things behind him. He seems incapable of doing that and it bothers me. He has a vindictive edge to him that is unnerving. For someone who gives such eloquent and inspirational speeches I am surprised at what I see when I peel away the smoke screen. Could it be that his speeches are all he has? The country cannot be run on inspirational speeches. At some point Obama will have to show us what can do! We don't have the time for someone to learn on the job right now. The country is in peril and the world is in chaos! We really need someone capable to be the leader of the free world. Not someone who is petty and childish. At this moment it is crystal clear that Hillary is that woman!

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Los Angeles — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:15:59 GMT

Some Floridians are acting just like the petulant children that the Clintons have shown themselves to be. Wah, wah, wah. We know we broke the rules but we're Florida. Why are you trying to disenfranchise us? GET OVER IT. Play by the rules and everyone will be happy to count the votes. Americans love Florida but hate whiners.

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Nick S., Miami — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:17:08 GMT

you three do pretty good analysis. thanks.

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Amy, AZ — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:17:12 GMT

First Read:
How about picking up on the news of NOW-NY's anti-Kennedy endorsement last night? They really torched him. Shows not all women are bowing down to the Kennedy legacy.

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RGO, California — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:17:23 GMT

So many people are so wrapped up in this Obama wave. So he had a good primary in two states ... there are still many states to go. Unfortuantely for Obama the states that are most populated and most ethnically diverse (California and NY) are supporting Clinton in a big way. Last nights behavior by Obama was childish at best. He needs to get over himself. He's not the president yet. I see his ego is expanding by the minute. I knew he was no different than any other politician.

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Sierra, SF — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:17:31 GMT

From First Read:

'...The New York Times’ David Brooks writes, "Last week there was the widespread revulsion at the Clintons’ toxic attempts to ghettoize Barack Obama. In private and occasionally in public, leading Democrats lost patience with the hyperpartisan style of politics -- the distortion of facts, the demonizing of foes, the secret admiration for brass-knuckle brawling and the ever-present assumption that it’s necessary to pollute the public sphere to win. All the suppressed suspicions of Clintonian narcissism came back to the fore. Are these people really serving the larger cause of the Democratic Party, or are they using the party as a vehicle for themselves?"...'

Do we want 4 years of THIS ?
Is THIS what the Democratic party STANDS FOR ?

'...the widespread revulsion at the Clintons’ toxic attempts to ghettoize Barack Obama...'

Billary, cold, calculating, dishonest, unethical, divisive, TOXIC

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John Bailey, Boston MA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:17:48 GMT

Hillary Clinton and her supporters are absolute pond scum. The way the Clinton's behave now gives you a good indication of how they would behave as our rulers (and that is exactly how they envision themselves). These two egomaniacs will lower themselves to any level to win. Case in point is the Florida campaigning that they promised not to do. What, the Clinton's breaking a promise? Say it ain't so! Any one that supports these two whack jobs should get their head examined.

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susan, MN — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:18:06 GMT

Your own Joe Scarborough (definitely far from a Hillary fan) said he would do the same thing she was doing ing Florida if it were him running. It's a very intelligent thing to do. Also, it's not a certainty that those votes won't count and those delegates won't be seated. Many experts now agree that they likely WILL be seated as the DNC doesn't want to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of Florida voters. I know you like to turn every post anti-Hillary, first read, but you should listen to Joe on those rare ocassions he's truly impartial before you critisize.

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Vote Romney Today, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:18:16 GMT

Ironically, Charles Waddi,Lawrenceville, Georgia, in doing as you say Todd has also gained many fans.

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Jeff, Austin — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:18:51 GMT

Who do you predict will win the Florida Republican Presidential Primary?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1645

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Ron, TX — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:20:21 GMT

Obama never campaigned in Florida. He followed the rules. In every state Obama actively campaigns in, his numbers shoot from 20+ under Clinton to either tied or ahead. Iowa, he was down 15, ended up 8. NH, he was down 20, ended up only down 2. Nevada, he was down as much as 30, and ended up only down 8. South Carolina, he was down 20, and ended up 28.

Name recognition plays a huge part in voting. If people don't know who you are, they tend not to vote for you. If there is a name listed they've seen for twenty years, they tend to pick it cause they don't know any better.

<shrugs>

I think the exhibition match analogy is good, but it's even more comparable to suggest that one team isn't even showing up. How can you claim victory during a vote that doesn't even count when the other team doesn't participate?

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AP from IL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:21:19 GMT

Regarding the Clinton Side Show (very applicable) I think their whole political strategy is to bank on the apathy and stupidity of the electorate.

People who don't care that she agrees to the rules then decides to break them if it suits her. People who don't care that her entire campaign is based on distortion and lies. Who don't care that her administration will be as secretive and partisan as the Bush administration is. Who are easily manipulated by the Clinton's hurtful attempts to pit ethnic groups against each other and fall dutifully in line to vote according to race or gender.

These people need to open their eyes and see that it's all a game to the Clintons and the real prize is power, serving the country is an afterthought.

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Scott, CA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:21:35 GMT

Charles Waddi in GA,
Why is it that whenever someone criticizes the Clintons, certain of their fans start throwing temper-tantrums? Some of the people who you say are no longer "fans" of Chuck are acting like petulant spoiled brats who just want to have everything your way. I have yet to see any "slanted" coverage or "biased" coverage from this team but it seems typical of a certain section of the Democratic Party that any time someone dares to raise a point, they start whining.

Same group probably that's cheering NOW-NY's press release last night castigating Ted Kennedy for DARING to support someone other than a woman.

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Lynette, NYC — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:22:39 GMT

The SOTU was a snooze fest, the worst ever. Obama was sitting there as if he were already elected, ironically near all of the washington elite, the very same he claims he is not a part of. Very strange. and was Hillary sitting near Joe Biden?

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jeff, miami — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:23:32 GMT

Sierra,
have you had your milk today? you should, otherwise you'll never turn 18!
to: Domenico Montanaro,
In all fairness, you should also mention the following: Chicago grassroot support for Obama operating in Floriday, two (!) fundraisers by Obama in Florida, NATIONAL ADDS running in Fl. An no, SC Democratic party has no say in whether Barack can run adds in Florida. He signed the pledge, he should stick to it. Barack is on the Florida ballots as well, i just voted. So don't tell me that my vote does not count! It's a democracy after all!

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jeff, miami — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:23:41 GMT

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hillaryhater — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:24:18 GMT

Hillary CANCELS all tv interviews.. going into your supersecret mode there Hitlery?

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Alan, North Caldwell, NJ — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:25:14 GMT

So Obama is going to unite the country but can't bring himself to shake the hand of his Democratic rival? He's going to sit down unconditionally with Syria, Iran, North Korea etc but he pettily turns away from a rival in his own party?

A picture tells a thousand words.

Who are you guys kidding?

And imagine if the positions had been reversed what the headlines would be "Hillary snubs Barack: Clinton shows disrespect for saintly rival!!!"

Last Thought: Was Chris Mathews being racist when he said that Condaleeza Rice would make a great VP if Obama did not get the nomination? He seemed be implying that blacks would be disgruntled with the democrats to such an extent that they would vote for Rice because she is black. Is this not the same reasoning that he was accusing Bill Clinton of promoting?

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Democratis, Washington, DC — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:26:31 GMT

Senator Clinton is going to Florida for the same reason she kept her name on the (in-violation of Democratic Party Rules) Michigan Primary Ballot. It opens the door for a move in the Democratic Convention's Rules Committee to grant delegates to both states.

Convention committee membership is nearly always drawn from Party insiders, and can rewrite any rules that have been previously put in place. If the Rules Committee were to allow Michigan and Florida delegations, it would be the Convention Credentials committee that would decide exactly who gets to represent those states when it comes time to elect the nominee

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Sierra, SF — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:30:30 GMT

From the Arizona Daily Star:

'...Rep. Grijalva switches to Obama from Edwards
By PAUL DAVENPORT
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

PHOENIX — Democratic U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva of Arizona is endorsing Barack Obama after earlier backing John Edwards in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Grijalva cited Obama's electability and his intention to "fundamentally change the rules of the game" in Washington, according to a statement obtained by The Associated Press in advance of a planned Tuesday conference call with reporters.
The third-term congressman, whose southern Arizona district includes Yuma and parts of Tucson, is the second prominent Arizona Democrat to endorse Obama in the immediate run-up to the state's Feb. 5 presidential primary.
Gov. Janet Napolitano endorsed Obama on Jan. 11 after being courted by Obama and rival Hillary Rodham Clinton. Since then, Napolitano has campaigned for Obama in Arizona, Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico.
Clinton has led Obama and Edwards in the first of two recent polls but the margin between Clinton and Obama decreased in the second.
Grijalva had endorsed Edwards on May 3, saying the former senator from North Carolina "has shown principled leadership on the way in Iraq and on economic opportunity in America."
In the statement explaining his switch to Obama, Grijalva said it "was not a repudiation of Senator Edwards, rather the understanding that Senator Barack Obama is the future."
"The best opportunity to win in November rests with Senator Obama," Grijalva added. "I am proud to support Senator Obama as we move forward toward the nomination. This election is not merely about moving the pieces around in Washington D.C., but to fundamentally change the rules of the game. I am proud to help Senator Obama work toward that change."...'

Who's endorsing you, Billary ?

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Marbw — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:32:13 GMT

HRC greets Ted Kennedy at State of the Union

David Axelrod, on MSNBC, offers an alternate explanation for that awkward moment on the floor:
I don't think he snubbed her at all. First of all, they acknowledged each other as they entered the chamber. But I think he knew that Senator Kennedy and Senator Clinton were friends. This was obviously an awkward day from that standpoint, and I don't think he wanted to stand there while Senator Kennedy was greeting Senator Clinton. And I think that was an appropriate sentiment. Unfortunately, the camera caught it in a different way, and so it got interpreted that way. And that's the kind of environment we're in right now. It's a very competitive race, so every little thing is going to be interpreted in that way. But it was really a matter of letting Senator Kennedy have his own conversation, his own greeting with Senator Clinton without him hovering over them.

http://markhalperin.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/kennedyclintonsh260.jpg
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2008/01/29/GA2008012900106.html?hpid=artslot

ps..Whose hand did she try to shake. yes, Ted Kennedy. BTW, they(HRC & Barack) greeted each other earlier. Is this a slow news day.
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According to the NYtimes, on the day that Obama opened his explortory committee to run for president, he actually extended his arm to shake hillary's hand and she didn't shake it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/us/politics/07rivals.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

ps...Frankly, after her surrogates(husband/shaheen/bobkerrey/bobjohnson/andrewcuomo)rangel/supporters caught sending smear-mailers in Iowa /supporters lying about his stance on choice to NH voters/etc)called him every demeaning name in the book, I would not want to breathe the same air as her. I know Barack has been more gracious to her than I would have been.

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Another San Franciscan for Barack — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:35:26 GMT

Sierra, SF:

Chill woman. I'm a Barack supporter. Many of your posts raise important points but the HRC fans on this board are blind and don't want to hear the truth. All they're looking for is bulletin board material. Similar to a professional football team, they look for anything the opposition says that they can put on their bulletin board that will fire up the team.

Get out and make some calls for the cause!!

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Tina, NY — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:36:58 GMT

Will the news please stop talking about that stupid picture, Obama was not snubbing Hillary, he obviously did not want to stand in the way while Hillary was talking to Ted Kennedy. I mean would you want to be standing there hovering over Ted Kennedy while Hillary is talking to him. This is just ridicoulous.

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Lynette, NYC — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:47:57 GMT

Sierra, you are obviously fixated on Bil Clinton and his marital infidelities. Everyone knows about them and everyone knows its not nice to cheat on your wife. Your boys the Kennedy's arent exactly boy scouts in that department either. But whatever. Your remarks are always very juvenile, and border on repulsive. I sometimes have to turn away, much the same way people do at a crazy person on the subway. Im actually glad that your an Obama supporter. They can have you.
The way you speak is filthier than anything the Clintons have said.

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B. Active — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:48:26 GMT

Rudy Giuliani's political career is finished. You can't win the Republican nomination as a conservative when you are clearly not a conservative. See "Rudy Giuliani's Conservative Remake" at YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FJZZk1i0Q

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Marlon, Pittsburgh — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:49:14 GMT

Joe Scarborough is such a Hill basher it is just horrible. MSNBC management need to reign their pundits in.

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Sierra, SF — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:49:30 GMT

Aaron, Miami FL: '...3.Muffen'd up Senate opposition to Bush administration policies on detainee interrogation...'

Aaron, You mean McCain OPPOSED TORTURE !!

I'm no fan of McCain ('bomb, bomb Iran)
But he spoke out against TORTURE !

That's a very moral position
He HAS BEEN TORTURED !
It's completely against the Geneva Convention to TORTURE !

any questions, Aaron ?

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DB — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:50:17 GMT

Note to MSNBC'S bloggers, please check your grammar:

"speaking of Obama, we're guessing the video response he provided a good platform for his supporters to watch and then, well, contribute"

You are overworking the verb ("provided") here. Not to mention mixing tenses.

As for content of this blog: it is meager. One gleans more information from reading the user-comments than the blog itself.

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POLpursun — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:51:48 GMT

Election2008
Using the "Buckeye Bill" piece as a point of departure for thought, I proffer the following: Either America is at a point of transition or it is not.

If Clinton wins the nomination THAT will be the signal that it is NOT. If Obama does, THAT will part 1 of a two-part signal that it might be.

The point to be recognized about the Clintons is, in THIS writer's opinion, the following: IT'S ABOUT THEM.

Given the span of time in the history of America that they have been on the scene, and given that they are operating from the Democratic Party, IT WAS IN THEIR INTEREST to NOT play the so-called southern strategy up to this point. AT THIS TIME IT WAS/IS, so they played it. It was interesting to watch his body language ---- particularly facial expression ----- as he answered the question about Obama vs. the ClintonS with the Jessie Jackson "thing".

As I said in a previous post: It is PRECISELY BECAUSE, it's absurd to refer to the Clintons as "racist", why their performance, especially, slick Willie's, is so invidious. It's simply that ALL other dreams, including MLK's, can wait, if they get in the "Hillary-for-potus" way. Thus ALL, yes, ALL!!, stops must be pulled, to fulfill their self-absorbed wish.

It is illogical to simultaneously say (i) that the Clintons, lets put it this way, have NO "racist" bone in their bodies and (ii) that they did NOT deliberately do what they did ---- play the southern strategy. I vote for (ii). Their behaviour has been astoundingly despicable. If the status quo is what is desired, then Clinton will win the nomination. Pat Buchanan, for example, seems to think so. Given the historical evidence, the cards cut in his favour.

However, the point is, that NO ONE KNOWS. All that anyone can be expressing, at this point, is his or her speculation and/or desire. Why? Because IF THIS IS A MOMENT OF TRANSITION, no one will know UNTIL IT HAPPENS, by definition. A Clinton nomination says no, an Obama nomination says maybe. The latter, with a Republican defeat in November says yes. Everything else is conjecture, speculation and/or desire.

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Lyle Connelly, Lexington KY — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:52:24 GMT

Obama snubbing Clinton --<<<

That's what happens when you judge a man by his skin color.

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Vikki, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:52:40 GMT

What's this? Phone messages in FL from Obama? Thought you weren't gonna have anything to do with FL? It's over little man. You need someone to hold your hand and work under the table. Guess that applies 2 way's huh? I have no ideal how you can look anyone in the eye with all the lies you tell.

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Nashville_fan — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:56:31 GMT

Senator Obama did not snub Senator Clinton. However, it is sad that her supporters are always trying to paint her as the victim of some slight, instead of a leader that we can all look up to.

http://markhalperin.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/kennedyclintonsh260.jpg

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:57:06 GMT

Hillary showed class while Obama acted like a petulant child by turning his back and saying NA NA NA NA NA....I WON. He showed his true colors (No pun intended) Up until yesterday I was still undecided. Not anymore. We have had 7 yrs of that type of arrogant/partisan behavior where nothing gets done.

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Marbw — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:58:16 GMT

quote:
Richardson's torn. He served in the Clinton White House, first as ambassador to the United Nations, then as Clinton's Secretary of Energy. "I have a history with the Clintons," Richardson said. "And I've always liked her. She always seems very genuine." But Richardson considers Kennedy, who's long been respected by Hispanics, as "a mentor." In 1982, when Richardson ran for Congress for the second time -- he lost two years before -- Kennedy flew to Santa Fe and campaigned for him. "That might have been the reason I was elected," Richardson said. And he said he likes Obama, telling a story about how Obama saved him during one of last year's Democratic debates:

"I had just been asked a question -- I don't remember which one -- and Obama was sitting right next to me. Then the moderator went across the room, I think to Chris Dodd, so I thought I was home free for a while. I wasn't going to listen to the next question. I was about to say something to Obama when the moderator turned to me and said, 'So, Gov. Richardson, what do you think of that?' But I wasn't paying any attention! I was about to say, 'Could you repeat the question? I wasn't listening.' But I wasn't about to say I wasn't listening. I looked at Obama. I was just horrified. And Obama whispered, 'Katrina. Katrina.' The question was on Katrina! So I said, 'On Katrina, my policy . . .' Obama could have just thrown me under the bus. So I said, 'Obama, that was good of you to do that.'"

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/29/richardsons_choice.html

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Steve, Hartford, CT — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:00:20 GMT

Sierra will you PLEASE stop screaming at the Clintons? We all know that they've been campaigning in ways that many of us don't like, but it does NOT help to have you spewing vitriol all over the place. You're likelier to turn people away from Obama by doing that than convince them.

Remember, Obama's message is that we need to STOP demonizing the opposition. WE ARE ALL AMERICANS. We all want basically the same things for ourselves and our country and our world. We need to stop screaming at each other and focus on the positive. Our guy has the momentum now. Stop being bitter and listen to him.

Remember the three little words that are central to this campaign and the American spirit: YES WE CAN! (And we WILL!)

Obama '08!

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mimi, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:01:00 GMT

Florida will have its say, trust me. All three Dems are on the ballot, and the Repub voice today will solidify the front runner position and probably send Rudy Giuliani packing. We've arguably been the most crucial swing state in the last two presidential elections (apologies for the 2000 fiasco, BTW; most of us run the other direction when the name "Katherine Harris" is mentioned). Delegates or no, the Dems are paying attention. Don't be surprised if our delegates end up with seats in the summer.

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--NSMsnbc — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:01:27 GMT

"Not a bad theory, no?" indeed. Only it implies that people/politicians are only in it for self-worth, and standing on principle seems left out of the equation.
--To me, that's depressing; yet something I believe to be true ...a dilemma.

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Independent in CA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:08:54 GMT

Ok this whole Hillary winning FL thing depends on how the media covers it. If no one covers it - it's not a story. I don't think the FL votes will Capture the SC and Kennedy Bounce (If there is a Kennedy Bounce) anyway.

I don't see how people can feel it's a test of Feb 5 states when it is suppose to be a non-contest and no one is suppose to have campaigned there?

Early voting where people possibly only recgonized her name on the ballot will of course favor her - But we also have to look at states where Republicans and Independents will be voting on Feb 5 to get an accurate picture of what may happen for those people into tea leaf theories. FL is not a test of that.

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Bill NYC — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:13:20 GMT

what? some of you still seemed suprised that msnbc and its chatterclass are on the obamamania bandwagon...at least until he is the nominee and then bam! we will start getting the real story

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If They Don't Think Like You, They're Evil? — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:13:58 GMT

From yesterday's NOW press release shredding Teddy Kennedy because apparently he's now anti-woman. And, apparently Carolyn Kennedy isn't a real woman either because she doesn't think like a cabal in New York City says she should:
"Sen. Kennedy’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton’s opponent in the Democratic presidential primary campaign has really hit women hard," said the statement. "Women have forgiven Kennedy, stuck up for him, stood by him, hushed the fact that he was late in his support of Title IX, the ERA, the Family Leave and Medical Act to name a few."

"And now the greatest betrayal! We are repaid with his abandonment!" the statement continues. "He’s picked the new guy over us. He’s joined the list of progressive white men who can’t or won’t handle the prospect of a woman president who is Hillary Clinton."

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Roy Daniels, Pensacola — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:15:57 GMT

Ironically, Charles Waddi,Lawrenceville, Georgia, in doing as you say Todd has also gained many fans.
Vote Romney Today, FL (Sent Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:18 AM)

I just did!

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Adam, Chicago, Illinois — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:19:16 GMT

I voted for Hillary yesterday during the early voting period in Illinois.

Hillary, hands down, is the most intellectual, best-prepared candidate. She will show all of you during the general election.

I'm perfectly fine with Senator Obama remaining my Senator. He should have really finished out his term long before deciding to run for President.

The arrogance of Obama is sickening. Before you choose to respond, remember one thing, Obama is my part-time Senator - I think I should know...

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Make no mistake, Atlanta — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:19:51 GMT

Hillary is conducting herself as the lady she is. She doesn't need anyone standing beside her to undo what she is saying. She is elegant and her demeanor is that of a presidental canidate we are proud. I hope we will take advantage of this opportunity to help our country and fellow Americans by placing Hillary in the oval office.

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kenn — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:21:04 GMT

Thats a good GIRL TINA your daddys proud you know woman arent smart enough or strong enough to run a country.

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Phred, NH — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:23:37 GMT

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Robert Houston, TX — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:29:53 GMT

Ron in Texas is hilarious! Obama could NEVER win in Florida! There isn't a single pollster that has even hinted that Florida would have been close had Obama put in a major effort! He won Iowa- a state that never elected a woman to ANY MAJOR OFFICE- he then lost NH and Nevada- won SC. Obama will lose by 20 points today- and as Joe Scarborough said (no fan of Hillary's) Obama is lucky the deleagtes weren't at stake as he was never popular there.

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romney: no economic savior! — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:31:58 GMT

NOW Mitt Romney is trying to sell himself as a 'great businessman-therefore-will-be-a-great-president.'

NOT SO. I agree with those who are calling for Romney to stand and account to America for JUST HOW ROMNEY MAKES HIS OWN MILLIONS...

...by forcing thousands of Americans out of our jobs, forcing thousands more to take cuts in pay just to keep our jobs with new company owners...at the hands of Mitt Romney and his Buy-Out Firm, as Romney makes his own huge profits forcing the Buy-Outs of our nation's companies!

Let Romney try to stutter and stammer/temper-tantrum/name-call his way through this! To whom will Romney hurl his insults, false accusations and vile names as he walks away red-faced and angry, INSTEAD OF SIMPLY ANSWERING AMERICA'S QUESTIONS about his business practice of forced buy-outs of American companies ?? Romney sure can't hide, now, behind the word 'religion' to try to keep from answering our questions about the years he's spent selfishly seeking his OWN best interests, NOT our nation's.

Romney's BUSINESS EXPERIENCE is in DESTROYING AMERICA'S JOBS--NOT CREATING THEM!! Even in politics, during his 4-short-years of any 'government' experience, as Massachusetts' governor, Massachusetts was the ONLY STATE to post ZERO GAIN in Employed Residents...MA was 3RD from the Bottom in creating new jobs--and would've been 2ND from Bottom, except Katrina destroyed Louisiana (Center For Market Studies, Northwestern University, Boston Globe 07/29/2007)--even Governor Huckabee knew how to help create new jobs in his state!

Romney can laugh his way, all the way to the bank, every time he forces another American-grown company to shut down! That ol' king romney gathers his wealth around him while he costs hard-working Americans our hard-earned dollars! It doesn't matter to businessmen like Romney if some American kids won't get Easter baskets or Christmas gifts...if some American father can't afford to pay for his daughter's wedding...if some American mother is dying with cancer because her company was forced to close their doors-costing not only family income, but health insurance, also. Romney won't lose any sleep over it. Romney's too busy lining his own pockets with America's blood, sweat and tears.

Romney owes America A LOT of answers.

WHY is the media allowing Romney to coast on this? (more Romney-Dollars???) I hear media warming up to asking Romney to account for his business practices...maybe media are coerced, also, away from asking Romney anything Romney doesn't want to answer...NO ONE likes Romney's angry outbursts and name-calling. First it was aimed at voters, now the media are catching it, also.

If Romney feels 'entitled' to not have to answer our questions, now, on the campaign trail, we sure can't expect we will get any answers if he is elected. Romney shows us his lack of respect. He just wants our votes. He just wants more power.

America, WAKE UP!

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Roy Daniels, Pensacola, FL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:40:30 GMT

FYI for you Democrats out there fighting over the Florida Democrat primary, I've seen more Obama ads on TV than I have McCain. Which is rather interesting for a Democrat candidate that isn't suppose to be campaigning in the State. I think Obama's new he would get around the rules by advertising on CNN and the MSNBC/OBAMA NETWORK.

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Bill Carney — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:42:54 GMT

Joe Scarborough is such a Hill basher it is just horrible. MSNBC management need to reign their pundits in.
Marlon, Pittsburgh (Sent Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:49 AM)

MSNBC Management are the pundits.

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jlb — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:45:09 GMT

The democratic socialist (Edwards) will hang in until the bitter end or lack of money whichever comes first dooms his campaign. He really wants to show up at the convention with hopefully enough delegates to derail one campaign or the other. Who will end up the running mate on the dem ticket? Give thought.
Phred, NH (Sent Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:23 AM)

A review of the polls shows that Edwards has flat-lined, but he'll hang in there in hopes of getting a bone. He is so transparent.

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POLpursun — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:47:40 GMT

Posted this here pre 1100 hrs. Last entry 11:29 AM. Here goes again:

Election2008
Using the "Buckeye Bill" piece as a point of departure for thought, I proffer the following: Either America is at a point of transition or it is not.

If Clinton wins the nomination THAT will be the signal that it is NOT. If Obama does, THAT will part 1 of a two-part signal that it might be.

The point to be recognized about the Clintons is, in THIS writer's opinion, the following: IT'S ABOUT THEM.

Given the span of time in the history of America that they have been on the scene, and given that they are operating from the Democratic Party, IT WAS IN THEIR INTEREST to NOT play the so-called southern strategy up to this point. AT THIS TIME IT WAS/IS, so they played it. It was interesting to watch his body language ---- particularly facial expression ----- as he answered the question about Obama vs. the ClintonS with the Jessie Jackson "thing".

As I said in a previous post: It is PRECISELY BECAUSE, it's absurd to refer to the Clintons as "racist", why their performance, especially, slick Willie's, is so invidious. It's simply that ALL other dreams, including MLK's, can wait, if they get in the "Hillary-for-potus" way. Thus ALL, yes, ALL!!, stops must be pulled, to fulfill their self-absorbed wish.

It is illogical to simultaneously say (i) that the Clintons, lets put it this way, have NO "racist" bone in their bodies and (ii) that they did NOT deliberately do what they did ---- play the southern strategy. I vote for (ii). Their behaviour has been astoundingly despicable. If the status quo is what is desired, then Clinton will win the nomination. Pat Buchanan, for example, seems to think so. Given the historical evidence, the cards cut in his favour.

However, the point is, that NO ONE KNOWS. All that anyone can be expressing, at this point, is his or her speculation and/or desire. Why? Because IF THIS IS A MOMENT OF TRANSITION, no one will know UNTIL IT HAPPENS, by definition. A Clinton nomination says no, an Obama nomination says maybe. The latter, with a Republican defeat in November says yes. Everything else is conjecture, speculation and/or desire.

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Time to look beyond the slogans! — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:53:10 GMT

Just heard Obama is for providing lawyers to all enemy combatants. Give me a break. How much of your tax dollars would be used to assist the people trying to kill your sons and daughters under an Obama presidency? I guess all of this "Hope" and "Change" is going to be to the benefit of America's enemies since all the lawyers currently providing assistance to terrorist have given their endorsement to Obama. VERY REVEALING!

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ObamaRama — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:56:54 GMT

Independent in CA (Sent Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:08 AM)

How many rationalizations was that? Not enough to explain away a million votes and a demo that will haunt Barry and be a harbinger of what awaits him and his cult members next Tuesday.

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ObamaRama — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:00:26 GMT

Rep. Waters Endorses Clinton

23 minutes ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton has won the backing of California Rep. Maxine Waters, an influential member of the Congressional Black Caucus whose support could help blunt charges of racial polarization against the Clinton campaign in the South Carolina primary.

Clinton and Waters were expected to announce the endorsement via conference call later Tuesday.

In a statement, Waters praise the former first lady's readiness to tackle the nation's economic woes.

"At a time when the economy continues to worsen and so many of my constituents are losing their homes and their jobs, we need someone with the leadership and experience who can step in on day one to tackle the economic challenges our country is facing," Waters said. "Hillary understands the daily challenges that people are facing and she will fight for them everyday she is in the White House."

Issues of race and gender have come to the forefront of the campaign, pitting Clinton, who hopes to be the first female president, against Obama, seeking to become the first black to hold the job.

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Cathy, Upstate NY — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:00:43 GMT

Hillary is merely thinking ahead about Florida, as she should be, because the General Election would be ALOT harder to win without winning the swing states of Florida and Michigan! What was UP with Obama snubbing Hillary last night and refusing to shake her hand? That is NOT very unifying behavior, is it? He was once again behaving like a spoiled child, and it was NOT a pretty sight....HILLARY 2008!!!!!!!!!

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Eric, NY, NY — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:03:00 GMT

To me Obama looked childish and immature when he blew Clinton off and turned his shoulder to her at the state of the union. Could you imagine if Hillary had done this to Obama? The media and blogs would be all over her.

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Elizabeth — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:03:22 GMT

I totally agree, Tina -- for Obama to have remained in the middle as Kennedy and Clinton greeted one another on a most awkward day for two long-time friends would have been rudely intrusive. Obviously none of us can *know*, but I think that based on Obama's past actions -- HE has been the one to deliberately initiate a cordial exchange with Clinton at the debates and on the stand at the MLK event -- he should be given the benefit of the doubt in this instance. ----- All these folks are pros and I'm sure could and would smile at the Devil if necessary. But on a more human level, I can see Obama's not wanting to make things more awkward for Kennedy, who had just given him so much. Think of it this way, if your ex and his/her former wife/husband meet at a social event, don't you step aside and give them a moment of privacy, just out fo respect? Only problem here is that there was no other physical space to step TO.

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Randa — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:05:28 GMT

Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but it really bothers me that we're even considering a person like McCain. I want a first lady in the White House who wasn't the "other woman", and a man of principle as our CEO in chief. I cringe when I imagine an angry, war obsessed, economically incompetent person like McCain in there. Just a thought.....

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Nashville_fan — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:10:13 GMT

Make no mistake Atlanta wrote:
"Hillary is conducting herself as the lady she is. She doesn't need anyone standing beside her to undo what she is saying."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Maybe instead of telling us, you should mention this to Bill. Seems to me like she needs ALOT of people to prop up her candidacy. Increases the deniability factor.

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Kathryn in Bham — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:19:31 GMT

Randa -
Check out Mike Huckabee's stance on the issues. He is an incredible leader with a proven record and is the hope factor that we are all looking for to make drastic changes for the future of our country.
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=5

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Sharper Williamson, NY — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:21:33 GMT

Cathy, Upstate NY - What was UP with Obama snubbing Hillary last night and refusing to shake her hand? That is NOT very unifying behavior, is it?

And unifying behavior is judging a man by his skin color? He would have had reason to take a swing at her. The Clintons are despicable people.

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Lance, Austin, TX — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:46:00 GMT

What an absolute betrayal of the early state voters. Clinton made a promise to the people of Iowa, NH, NV, and SC for the purposes of winning their votes. Now she is breaking that promise once they have already voted and she can't "use" them anymore.

This is another example of "say anything or do anything to win."

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Kira, Utah — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:51:17 GMT

To romney: no economic savior- it's very easy to get the answers to your 'questions'. All you need to do is take a business course (or google) venture capital. You'll learn that firms like Bain Capital CREATE far more jobs than they cut. You'll learn that the jobs they do cut would have been lost anyway when the company went under. VC firms save/fix/re-invent failing companies and provide long-term stability that wouldn't have existed without them (think K-Mart). They also provide funding for start-up companies, creating thousands of new jobs (think Staples). It doesn't take a genius to understand this, just a little education and a little common sense... try it.

Randa- I couldn't agree more. that's why Romney is the best GOP choice. He's educated, experienced, moral, and ethical. He's intelligent, but willing to admit when he makes a mistake (humble). I hope Florida sees through the McCain lies today and chooses Romney- the best candidate!

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j fl — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:53:38 GMT

AND all this screaming and insulting and....Hillary will be our next president. She will be great.

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Kristine, Melbourne, Florida — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:54:49 GMT

I find it very telling how the media is hyper reporting how Hillary stopped in Florida for a fund raiser and is coming back tonight after the polls close for a victory rally, yet is under reporting that the Obama campaign ran national ads on cable TV (MSNBC and I think on CNN) that appeared in Florida for a week before our primary, breaking the No Campaign pledge. I live in Florida and saw the Obama ads as much as I say McCain, Rudy, Mitt, and Huckabee ads. Don't tell me that Obama didn't campaign here, because he did via TV ads. It was a sneaky way around the pledge and the Obama camp knows it and the media is suppressing it. I'm sure Obama wants our votes and would be singing a different tune about the importance of Florida should he do well here. However, I'm glad Hillary is standing up for Florida. Too bad Obama doesn't have the backbone to stand up for Floridians as well.

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AP from IL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:56:05 GMT

Adam, Obama is also my senator and I'm proud to share him with the rest of the country.

To the Hillary drones out there, it is laughable that there are so many posts about a fabricated snub that doesn't exist. Have any of you ever leaned back so that 2 people could talk over you? Same thing. Try not to look so desperate for anti Obama material.

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jaycee, Ventura, California — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:58:24 GMT

DO you people railing against Chris Matthews for anti-Hillary bias actually watch his show? Last night he had Hillary as the #1 likely pick to be the next POTUS, followed by Romney and then Obama. I don't agree, but what are you guys talking about? Anyway you've still got Pat Buchanan pushing your girl at every opportunity. Of course Pat is a cagey old right wing culture warrior from way back trying to trick the Dems into nominating the weakest candidate, but at least you can't accuse him of anti-Hillary bias.

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Tina, NY — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:59:59 GMT

Hey Kenn, I was making an observation about something being blown out of proportion in the news. If you have nothing useful to say then why bother writing anything.

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Independent in CA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:01:28 GMT

Obama Rama sent 11:56am

Just stating a fact that I don't think HRC will sweep ALL Feb. 5th States......Many people don't care for the way Billary have behaved and will show it with their votes.

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Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:33:09 GMT

By the way...to almost everyone I've talked to down here, the biggest thing on the ballot today is the property tax question. I've heard very little chatter in my office today about the primary, but some very intense conversations about the property tax question.

So later tonight when someone is trying to spin things on turnout, don't buy it. Dems aren't showing up at the polls for the primary, but rather for the contentious property tax amendment.

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Ginger, al — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:57:19 GMT

AND all this screaming and insulting and....Hillary will be our next president. She will be great.

No she won't. And it's mostly because she sucks.

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hillary 08 — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:29:24 GMT

that snub was real...the photographer stated it was deliberate and he is a long time worker there, he would know. O'bama may initiate some of their "cordial" encounters after debates, but that's because he knows everyone is watching, there. He didn't know that picture would be taken (cudos to the photographer) and seen by the public. I'm so tired of O'bama talking out of both sides of his mouth and watching everybody fall for it. He says he's a "new" kind of politician, but has long been using the same political tactics as everyone else. He has distorted and outright lied in his speeches and adds, then condemns the Clinton's for the same. He voted "present" and "pushed the wrong button" on some terribly important votes in IL for political reasons. Since most of the press is solidly on the O'bama bandwagon, you have to dig a little to find a lot of the facts. Check some of the fact finder sites and you will see that O'bama might talk pretty, but he's the same old kind of politician that he pretends to abdure.

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AP from IL — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:50:18 GMT

Hey hillary 08, obviously you're not that well informed on Obama or you would know that there's no apostrophe in his name.

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Susan, MA — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:05:50 GMT

Factcheck- Misleading Ads by McCain
Check it out!! Says all you need to know about McCain!
http://www.newsweek.com/id/105959

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John Alexander — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:31:32 GMT

For the first time ever I did not listen to the State of The Union, I was tired and did not want to see that smirking jabber jaws and his grimicing ape. Seems like I missed some visuals though, oh well, I am sure there will be more pictures and none stories that don't mean anything, MSNBC is really losing its respect from me.

Hey Sierra, 'my little tea pot" six posts on one thread and you still don't say anything, you will get a job at MSNBC after this girl! Somebody get a teacup, she keeps spilling over, what there's no tea in there, lets just bag it and drink coffee.

I just wonder, are you an ex-cheerleader My little tea pot, I keep visualizing these red, white and blue pompoms?