Did Iraq tip debate to Obama?

Mark Pritchard, San Francisco, Calif. — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:15:18 GMT

As a former Edwards supporter, I'm looking for a candidate who uplifts my spirit and inspires my confidence, but above all, who really cares about the economic inequalities in our country. I believe both Clinton and Obama care; but I find I trust him more to keep the issues of poverty and the economy in the forefront -- not just during the campaign, but during the next four or eight years.

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DJK, CA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:15:46 GMT

Chuck Todd should quit his job at CNN and join the Obama campaign. Honestly, is he on the payroll?

Hillary killed it tonight. Period.

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John in la — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:18:27 GMT

what the? obama did not win just because of Iraq. Hillary had this in the bag, and it was obvious that californians want hillary as they boo'd blitzer when he tried to put her down.

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R Dier, Oshkosh, WI — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:18:57 GMT

How easy it is to say that you were against something when you were in no position to have to vote on something you now say you were against. Obama gets no props from discerning voters on being 'right' on Iraq, especially when enterprising reporters have disclosed that he made statements in 2004 saying he agreed with Bush on the war...plus, he's continued to fund it with his votes. Thank God there's no 'present' button in the U.S. Senate.

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R Dier, Oshkosh, WI — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:19:04 GMT

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--NSMsnbc — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:19:57 GMT

"There's a theory that believes just that."
--Yes, here is that theory Mr. Chuck Todd ...Voters are stupid. And I don't mean because they would vote for a Clintons, an Obama, a McCain or a Romney.

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Phy Pol — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:22:22 GMT

The problem for Obama is that Hillary is in a stable equilibrium, rather unusual in politics, due to the image of a woman being victimized.

When it seems like she's put in a corner on issues (like being naive on Iraq) tonight, the crowd booed Wolf and I'm sure many women felt sympathetic towards her. Obama as a black man would never get such sympathy -- he would just look bad on the issue.

So when Obama or someone else appears to have screwed up, they get the loser image and people desert them. But when Hillary screws up, women rush to her defense and pick her up. It happened in NH and it might take her all the way to the WH.

This is what is called a stable equilibrium in physics.

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Ryan, Fort Wayne, In — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:22:29 GMT

Obama '08!

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Ron, TX — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:29:06 GMT

Hillary clearly said she didn't think her war vote was wrong, she just thought the vote to go to war with Iraq was implemented poorly. She thought there should have been "more diplomacy" (though not through the powers of the president, she thinks presidents shouldn't talk to other world leaders they don't like) and THEN maybe war. She tried to justify her vote because Saddam was evil and Bill Clinton attacked Saddam in 1998, so she wanted to attack him too.

And that's just not right. She WILL NOT say the war should have never been waged. And it SHOULD NOT have ever been waged. She made a mistake, and her failure to admit it, her insistence on justifying that vote, frankly, it scares me.

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barbara tampa florida — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:30:21 GMT

anyone who read or saw Obama's 2002 speech on Iraq and what would happen would realize how prescient he was

and the above poster who thinks otherwise does herself and the almost 4000 dead and 25000 maimed people from this unecessary war deserve you to read and know the facts

Sen Clinton is very smart - but she should not be President

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Mark Thieme ("on the ground" in LA) — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:33:04 GMT

John in la,(?)

Being "on the ground" here (thanks for the great insider jargon, van!) and having roots that go back to 1971 in CA, I think you must be in la, but not LA. Maybe you are from Louisiana.

Maybe you are living the Clinton "fairy tale."

Ask the Clinton ops "on the ground" here what their internal polling says...

45% crossover to Obama in 5 days!

That's what your boys and girls are saying way off the record... and further off the record... they are scared squatless.

Well, they are saving some of that for later.

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Rene Hart, Merrimack NH — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:33:48 GMT

They both did well in the debate...Hillary at the beginning regarding to health care...Obama at the end regarding the war. However, Obama won the debate overall. He made it clear that he is a better leader. She's made bad decisions in the past and will make more bad decisions in the future. She is very knowlegeable and experienced but does not have the leadership skills or judgement to be president.

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Mary, Decatur, GA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:34:21 GMT

The vote for going to Iraq has never had any bearing on my vote. Obama wasn't even in the Senate at the time of the vote and, frankly, given the number of times he voted present as an Illinois State Senator and the number of votes he's missed (more than a third) while a U.S. Senator, I don't trust that he would have taken a stand if he had been in a position to vote. Hillary was stronger on every other issue and that is why she won the debate,why she is the best candidate and why she should be the next President.

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E Saxton — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:42:30 GMT

I am proud of Hillary Clinton. Such intelligence, poise and accomplishments!! Now, though, we all see that a man with a thin resume and even less accomplishments is being promoted by the media over a brilliant, talented and committed woman.

I am a black woman with both a PhD and a MD degrees. I know what it is to work and scratch for success in fields dominated by men.

After eight years of Bush, our country is in need of competent, extraordinary leadership. HILLARY CLINTON IS IT!!!

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Jennifer, Arroyo Grande, Ca — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:42:32 GMT

R Dier, Oshkosh, WI
I could not have said it better. Thank you

Hillary Clinton 08

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Kim, Pasadena CA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:43:20 GMT

How soon we forget, to R Dier, Oshkosh, WI:

Apparently, you have forgotten in the haze caused by the long Bush years what happened to so many who spoke out against the war. Many of those who dared oppose the war are no longer elected officials. Many of those who dared oppose the war were NOT elected.

Now, that you remember the above I am certain you will agree with me that Senator Obama's entire political future was at stake when he opposed the war in Iraq. Senator Obama was running for Senate when he gave a campaign speech in opposition to the War in Iraq. Below is an excerpt from Senator Obama's speech given in 2002:

"I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle Wast, and encourage the worst, rather than the best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Quaeda." Barack Obama running for Senate in 2002 before the war in Iraq began.

Barack Obama showed with foresight what we now know with hindsight. He has my vote.

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Cathy, Upstate NY — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:43:30 GMT

It's the economy........Hillary won! She even won the CNN dial test! Hillary 2008!!!!!!!!!

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jds — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:46:49 GMT

I think tonight went to Obama. Hillary did good too, but...Here's the thing- I think alot of undecided voters don't like Hillary (or they would already be supporting her) but have been unsure of Obama. All that Obama has to do is show undecided voters that he is ready to be an effective president. He did that tonight.

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Jennifer, Bixby, OK — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:47:49 GMT

I agree that Hillary had a really hard time with the Iraq vote. Being reminded that the bill was titled something like: "The Authorization of the use of Military Force in Iraq" was helpful. After explaining why GWB shouldn't have gone into Iraq, she then came up with some reasons why she thought it was a good idea to go after Saddam. Convoluted and difficult to listen to. Disagree with strength and conviction, don't try to triangulate to a lite version of the opponent's position. We've had plenty of that, and it lost us the Congress in 1994.

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Diane, Ashland, Oregon — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:54:04 GMT

I thought Hillary's response on the Bush/Clinton dynasty was disengenius at best. Answering as if she has made her political accomplishments, starting from a level-playing field. And the fact remains, that we understand how she will behave because past behavior will hold true. She has initiated many good bills, but achieved little. And the urgency of her husband to get into the White House (does anyone remember that he was nearly impeached?) to redeem his legacy is transparent.

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Yiannis, Baltimore — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:59:43 GMT

Obama's strategy is to show that he has judgment and no "roll of the dice". In that sense he won.

Hillary played the steady hand front runner just like she did before Iowa. We know what happened there.

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Yiannis, Baltimore — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:59:44 GMT

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rmh, somerville, ma — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:02:09 GMT

Hillary Clinton talked too much during this debate. Can't she ever just make a succinct point? It concerns me that her filibustering, unfocused answers are a mirror of her thought process. Rather than distilling the essence of a question or issue and giving a clear answer, she throws in only distantly related points and ends up someplace else entirely. She reminds me of a talker you'd hate to be seated next to at a wedding. Boring, in love with the sound of her own voice, and socially inept.

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Charlotte — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:02:14 GMT

Whenever Obama speaks, I feel a great calmness coming over me. When Clinton speaks, I feel rattled. There is an undertone of anger, and hysteria when Clinton speaks.

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Jeni Hendrix, Long Island, NY — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:04:55 GMT

This debate was very tight, and there was clearly no obvious winner. Anyone who tips the scales towards Clinton or Obama is simply biased, each candidate had strong and weak points.

If you look up what actual economists have to say, Obama easily has THE BEST economic stimulus plan. There's even an article in the Washington Post about it, entitled "Whose Stimulus Makes the Grade?"

The one part of the debate that really rubbed me the wrong way was the immigration issue. My parents are both immigrants, as am I. Initially, when we came to America we lived in poverty, but thanks to decades of hardwork, my parents earn more than 90% of their fellow Americans, and I am able to go to law school without even worrying about debt.

Now, first of all, issuing driving licenses to illegal immigrants is a SAFETY ISSUE, not just an immigration issue. It's about ensuring the well-being of people who get into accidents with illegal immigrants, who don't purchase car insurance because they're not allowed to have driver's licenses.

Let's be real. Illegal immigrants are going to be driving with or without licenses. Giving them licenses is a) a good way to begin the process of documenting them and getting them in line to become real citizens and b) helps the safety of Americans who do get injured and become victims of hit and runs from illegal immigrants.

Also, I liked the way Obama pointed out that illegal immigrants don't hurt the economy, but rather the economy itself needs to be fixed. I'm sick and tired of the severe misconception in American society that illegal immigrants take away domestic jobs. Any real economist will tell you, that's simply untrue when you look at the numbers.

WHY ARE LATINOS NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA? Because he's black? That's really tragic, it is. WAKE UP AMERICA.

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Jane G. Thomas — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:07:28 GMT

Obama won the debate. Hillary Clinton's refusal to admit her Iraq mistake only shows a stubborness and inflexibility. We already have a commander-in-chief who will never correct his course, never admit that he is wrong, even as he steers the ship of state into the rocks. Otherwise, they both performed well. But I have such Clinton fatigue and such a distaste for the ugly tactics used by Billary in South Carolina, that I just can't imagine ever voting for HRC. We need to turn the page on the Clintons. Dynasties are corrosive.

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Brandon H, Louisville (Memphis), KY — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:07:39 GMT

As a 22 year-old Black "male" Democrat in grad school at the UofL I was proud to see them debate each other in a civil manner. However, on 01-20-2009 I have no doubt in my heart and soul (I'm a Christian) that both senators will make history on 01-20-2009--Hillary Clinton as President, Barack Obama as Vice-President. Catch me at bhubbar@yahoo.com if you agree.
-Democrats United 2008

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Jeff in Boston, MA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:12:06 GMT

Obama was much more inspiring.
Clinton comes off very nice, but much more of a technocrat. Plus, that long rambling defense of her Iraq vote was pretty disturbing. Why doesn't she have a better planned response to such an obvious issue? Did nobody see that coming?

If that's her plan then she's not the strongest candidate to go up against a McCain ... or even a Huckabee.

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mona, san pablo, ca — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:13:45 GMT

Why am I not surprised its MSNBarackC!!! Barack was not a US senator when the senate voted for the war. It is easier to say you were against something when you weren't in a position to influence it. The war was voted on in 2003 and he became a US Senator in 2004. This war conversation would be valid if he was already a US senator. Who knows...he might have just voted, " PRESENT."

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Chizzo, Boston, MA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:14:38 GMT

Phy Pol, I couldn't agree more. Right on the money. I have a feeling Obama sensed the sympathy wave that Hillary could ride. That's why from day one, he tried to distance himself as far as he could from a black man's image. Basically, he can't afford to make any mistakes to have any realistic chance of winning. On the other hand, Hillary's mistakes will actually help her cause. Bill Clinton should get just out of it. He might spoil that equilibrium.

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Ryan, Madison, WI — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:26:38 GMT

rmh, somerville, ma (Sent Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:02 PM) -- best comment on Hillary Clinton...ever. I would switch over to the UW vs. Indiana hoops game when she started answering a question, and switch back only to see her pontificate on some departed topic from the original. She would not shut up tonight, and the moderators (esp. Wolf) did an awful job giving equal rebuttal on the questions. Although in the end, that may have worked out better for Obama.

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mblima, LA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:26:41 GMT

I am an Edwards supporter, and will continue to be. I think he has done the country a service by focusing on poverty. I was not sure what I will do if he was not on the ballot...until tonight. The exchange on Iraq convinced me that I really want change more than anything. Hillary struggled with her answer. Why is it so bad to admit you made a mistake? She would have had me if she had been honest and humble. I guess she can't be... My vote will go to Obama on Feb 5.

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Meg, Toronto — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:28:20 GMT

I think Hilary won overall. They all had their highs and lows, but Hilary's depth of knowledge, intelligence, sharp edge, and fineness made her quite distinguished.

Go Girl

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Nina — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:29:26 GMT

To Jeff from Boston and to many other democrats:
You do not vote for the one that is "inspiring" You vote for the "best" candidate. For the one who knows what "she" is doing. For the one who will make you pround for her knowledge, her command of international issues and for all what a "president of the United States" should have. Voting for Obama because he "talks to your senses"?
I see the democrast loosing again.

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YoungDemocrat — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:30:17 GMT

Hillary won Health Car, Barack clearly won foriegn policy

The tie breaker was Barack stomping a hole in Romney and McCain's asses with a few good one liners

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Jeff, Austin — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:36:23 GMT

Obama was not in the Senate at the time they voted for the resolution, my guess he would have voted the same way. http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1673

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Mo — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:37:33 GMT

Go Obama!

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Nick Mullins, Jacksonville, FL — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:38:08 GMT

As an already Obama supporter, I, like many others, went into this debate knowing Obama was the underdog. And in reality he is, as he lags behind in almost every major state. I just wanted to see that Obama could stand up to Hillary in a tight debate, and show hope for the democratic future. Regardless of the outcome, we can all be proud that we have unbelievable ambitions in Barack Obama and the potential he carries to the Democratic Party in years to come.

-President in Training- Obama 08

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M Shaughnessy — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:38:36 GMT

I think the exchange on the war was the most significant in the debate because it highlights the weakness John Kerry had in 2004 in criticizing Bush on the war. He could not do so without casting himself as a flip flopper. It also emphasizes the suspicion, well founded in my opinion, that Senator Clinton and others were taking political and not principled stands by voting to authorize military force. Call me cynical, but I believe that Kerry, Edwards, and Clinton were primarily protecting their presidential ambitions, believing that they needed to be perceived as hawks to compete with republicans in a post 9/11 election.

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M Shaughnessy — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:39:25 GMT

I think the exchange on the war was the most significant in the debate because it highlights the weakness John Kerry had in 2004 in criticizing Bush on the war. He could not do so without casting himself as a flip flopper. It also emphasizes the suspicion, well founded in my opinion, that Senator Clinton and others were taking a political and not principled stands by voting to authorize military force. Call me cynical, but I believe that Kerry, Edwards, and Clinton were primarily protecting their presidential ambitions, believing that they needed to be perceived as hawks to compete with republicans in a post 9/11 election.

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Thelma, Los Angeles, California — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:40:44 GMT

Hillary Clinton clearly won the debate. But most importantly she has remained the most in control of the answers and the person asking the questions. She is a bright, articulate and well informed person on every issue. It should be clear to all that the economy is worse now. In the 90's, I remember diplomacy and an economy that was good. Furthermore, I understood everything that she said. She uas focused and her thought processes as she explained the issues were clear. She immediately understood the questions and then distilled the essence of each issue and gave clear answer. She will make a great President. This is one of the reason that the Right Wing talk shows are trying to trash her (ie. Rush and Hanity). She has the best chance to win and they know it.

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axt113, Cleveland, Ohio — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:44:56 GMT

Hillary showed herself to be unelectable, the GOP will rip her apart on her flipflopping on the issues and the fact that she is a divisive person.

Obama showed himself to be the only Dem who can win in 2008 and the only one who will really change this country

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Sarah, Los Angeles, Ca — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:46:43 GMT

Hillary rambled incoherently. Obama was a perfect gentleman, to-the-point, sharp, inspiring, and concise. When Hillary wasn't incoherent she was claiming stuff done during NAFTA Bill's era as hers.

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Cynthia Turner, Seattle, WA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:53:52 GMT

"Rather than distilling the essence of a question or issue and giving a clear answer, she throws in only distantly related points and ends up someplace else entirely. She reminds me of a talker you'd hate to be seated next to at a wedding."

This was my own experience. Her voice grates, she cannot be succinct or stay on topic, and I dreaded the idea that she might become president and we would have to listen to that harsh droning voice that talks for so long while saying so very little. I think both candidates did well, but I really respect Obama's thought processes and conversational intelligence. He knows how to make a point forcefully.

Did anyone notice the little dig Obama got in when he talked about a woman crying at a town hall meeting then turned to Clinton and said "You've probably have experience with this yourself"? A good reminder of why Clinton would not be a competent president. Her crying on camera bothered me -- it's important for a president to exhibit emotional control, especially in public.

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anita in LA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:55:37 GMT

I am crossing over to Obama for sure. He came across as a trustworthy leader who cares. Why is Hillary so evasive and verbose? She is a typical status quo politician - never addressing the issues. Take the drivers' license issue. If she cared about the health of the people as she claims, she would vote to allow driving licenses to illegal immigrants as a matter of public safety on the roads! Why does she not support this - because in the microtrend polls (remember Mark Penn) white voters outnumber Latinos, and white voters don't want Latinos to have driving licenses. Her opinions are just polls-based. Neither she or her husband operate on moral principles.

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sbc, del mar, ca — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:56:49 GMT

rmh, funny you should mention Hillary talking too much. I couldn't figure out if she didn't know what she wanted to say or if she was monopolizing the time during the debate. In either case, it doesn't make me feel confidence in her.

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Jim , Eugene , Oregon — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:58:48 GMT

Yes Obama did win this debate hands down. I just watched a Fox focus group of 50 undecided voters. 5 people thought Clinton won , 45 people said OBAMA.

OBAMA is already even with Clinton in California. AND earlier today when Omaba released his 32 million for the month of January..........Geuss what>>>since that figure was released today Obama has had 50,000 more donors. At one point they were raising 500,000 per hour ! And these are all regular every day folks.

OBAMA WILL be the Next President of the United States.

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Neale, Atlanta, Georgia — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 04:59:44 GMT

It's amazing that hillary can't do a simple adult thing like admit when she was wrong. Taking responsibility for your own actions is basic adult behavior. If she can't master that, then higher levels of interaction and diplomacy are clearly out of the question.

We need an adult in the White House.

Obama in 08!

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soulja EXVOTO, Louisville KY — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:03:33 GMT

RENAISSANCE sounds better than Restoration at this point.
VISIONARY sounds better than Veteran at this utterly critical point.
INSPIRED sounds much better than empowered right now.
Hillary has more of a chip on the minority shoulder than Obama.
OBAMA sounds much better than McCLINTON Mart... Depot... Corp.

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Kathleen, Dallas, TX — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:04:41 GMT

Hillary's response to the Iraq question was scary. The rest of her answers were over-rehearsed and phony. Obama is not as slick but he is more genuine and clearly has a better vision for America.

I'm a hispanic female and I'm proudly voting for Obama!

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Doug, Chico, CA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:07:55 GMT

I was still not sure who to vote for, after the debate though, my vote goes to Obama. We need someone who is right on day one!

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Ellie H, TX — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:08:25 GMT

This really wasn't close. She did well during the first half -- mainly because CNN asked her all of the questions and let her go on, and on, and on. But then came Iraq -- and even all of Hillary's verbal diarrhea could not get her out of the mess she created for herself by voting for the war. Obama won fair and square in a cordial debate on the issues.

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SK, Sacramento, CA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:09:51 GMT

"It's interesting that neither candidate is feeling the pressure of losing on Feb. 5"... You get that feeling because the Hillary campaign is FINALLY getting the message and they need to PRETEND they're non-contentious. That "feeling" is derived from the fact Hillary's campaign realizes that the general public comprehends they've divisively polarized the party as a means to serve the Bill/Hillary ticket. Not the nation's ticket, but CLINTON's ticket! <p>She's cheesy nice and "you get the feeling" there is no pressure. She's a good actress. She's playing "Obama" nice.<p> Edward's camp is moving towards Obama and Hillary's desperately trying to emulate Obama. Guess what? It's too late. SURPRISE! we want UNIFICATION - he said CHANGE, but in fact, we want UNIFICATION. Hill, you BLEW IT! We're sick and tired of polarization.

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Mr. Henrry Grace — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:10:47 GMT

Wow!! You guys are right on target!!! Im an independent that now will vote for Borack Obama. I did not like the answer Hillary gave in regards to her record about the Iraq war it almost felt she was cought off of guard, and did not know what to say. I belive the she has lost olot of votes on this issue. Thats the only thing that stands out the issue about Iraq.

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Helen Miller, Los Angeles, California — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:12:00 GMT

I would be very concerned about the decisions that Obama would make. He admitted that he won't be right on every issue. He said it. "Hindsite" is 20/20.

Hillary would lead to make health care an important issue. She would lead with the issues of the economy. Hillary would lead to bring the troops home - in a safe way. Hillary would begin to
mend the failing Economy.

Hillary definitely won the debate. She uas focused as she explained the issues were clear. Obama would be another "smug" male who thinks that he knows it all. We saw a glimpse of this - when Obama "snubed" Hillary at the State of the Union.

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JIn — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:15:06 GMT

When HRC speaks on and on, I feel like "make a point or shut up"
She's full of empty sound bites.
And the feminists who supports her becoz of her gender? please, HRC have no respect for herself or black women, she associates herself with Bob Johnson the founder of BET who sold a fortune sexually exploitations of young black women. How's that for a feminist to support?
Besides, what kind of woman stays with a man who cheated on her, say... that many times, publicly?

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James Kyriacou — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:17:47 GMT

I too, a former edwards supporter, I thought that they both had their strong points. But once Hillary started straggling on Iraq, I began to see why there is a significant majority of Americans who don't trust the Clinton family. I also think that mandating health insurance is bad policy. I'm pretty sure Obama has my vote because of his intellect, honesty, character and his ability to connect with people like me. I think his fresh prospective is a must for change in this country.

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David Rooney — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:19:05 GMT

As president Barack will exhibit better judgement than Billary.

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Keith, Chico, Ca. — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:22:29 GMT

I supported Bill Clinton twice. Hillary Clinton is no doubt qualified to be President. However, there is no debating the fact that Hillary is a polarizing figure. We don't need her to "clean up the mess" of another Bush presidency (sounds like a divider not a uniter). We need a President who is not divisive!! (which hillary Clinton is). Hillary Clinton is not the person to heal the wounds of the last 8 years of George Bush or the last four years of Clinton I....it is time for REAL change. Vote Obama!

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Keith, Chico, Ca. — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:28:32 GMT

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Michael, Chicago IL — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:29:04 GMT

Paging Mr. Deir, Paging Mr. R. Dier. Please join your party in January 31st. The Iraq "fairy tale" argument has been thoroughly discredited and I'm pretty sure it cost your candidate plenty already. You're doing her no favors using last week's talking points.

For anyone else like Mr. Dier, who clearly missed the unwinding of the "fairy tale" in late January, Obama took a clear, public stand against the Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq. In a follow-up interview in 2002, he explicitly describes his concern about sectarian strife and civil war in Iraq and resurgence of al qaida in Afghanistan. This is all on YouTube. http://youtube.com/watch?v=EhpKmQCCwB8

His "agreeing with George Bush" was simply the acknowlegement that there weren't a lot of other options at that point, and his "funding the war" was as simple as making sure the troops got their paychecks and supplies. I think that's a no-brainer, even Hillary got THAT one right.

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Tom in California — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:30:07 GMT

Orphaned Edwards supporter here! One of the things that first attracted me to Edwards was his frank willingness to admit that he was wrong when he voted to authorize the war. It takes a strong and honest person to own up to a mistake.

In contrast, Hillary Clinton has never owned up over the same mistake. This gives rise to the inference that she is an opportunist who blows with the wind. In 2002, it was politically unpopular to oppose the war, so she went along with Bush. As the war turned sour, she spent a couple of years attacking Bush from the right on Iraq, claiming he was prosecuting the war badly. When the majority of the people turned definitely against the war, she ran over to the other side with vague promises about how she wants to get out. But she has never been honest about the issue.

In a few days, I will make my decision between Obama and Clinton. The Iraq issue will be an important part of the decision for me. I'd like to hear some honest self-criticism from Clinton on this.

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Vince, madison NJ — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:32:52 GMT

This debate was hard to "score" for one reason...Both Obama and Clinton did remarkably well. I'm sure Clinton supporters can think of some debates that they watched and made a cringe face...same with Obama supporters (good example would be the Debate where Hillary "flip-flopped" on immegration...and the following debate where Obama looked like he was clueless.) The remainder of the debates the "winner" wins b/c the other guy blow it kind of...either by looking too aggressive or personal...or looking like they can't just spit it out.
Tonight, I think off the record both Clinton and Obama suppoters would admit that their "opponent" did very well...
I don't know if I would get behind a "Obama Victory"...He opened well, he looked good on the race v. republican issue and on health care (but so did she on healthcare.)
She looked good on the economy, very good when Blitzer made that "naive" reference, good on healthcare...ok on Iraq (the truth is, whether you agree with her vote or not...you have to admit she did explain it pretty well, its just a tough stance to take when 6/10 voters think it was a mistake...)

PS...those who keep saying "it was easy to say you were against it from the start" forget to mention that the speech he gave in front of a national press conference was BEFORE the invasion...Yes, he called a national press conference and said he thought it was the wrong war at the wrong time...most of you have heard it so I won't go into depth. If Clinton supporters were being honest they would tell you they know she voted for it b/c at the time she didn't want to get painted as a dove (she is a woman, and at the time im sure she felt that was her biggest liability. (remember Obama supporters, it wasn't 2008 when she casted the vote...it was 2002, 1 year after 9/11, and right after Afghanistan 'looked' as though it got its ass kicked in like 2 weeks...)

I don't knock her for her vote per se...I do wish she wouldn't play into republican's hands so much though...I mean, she keeps touting this National security Arguement...but honestly, if McCain is the Nominee either her or Obama is going to have a tough time making the "I'm the better commander and chief" argument, so on that point I do agree with Obama.

Democrats should honestly step back and look at the oppurtunity they have, and unite behind one of these canidates at the end b/c if they don't...McCain will win...you can paint him a GOP devil on the blogs if you want but to beat him you need Obama's youth and Independants, and you also need Clintons ability to turn out Women. Thats a fact.

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Jim Nickel — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:37:14 GMT

Unlike Edwards, Hillary simply cannot admit she made a mistake. Sounds familiar - ever hear GW Bush admit a mistake? They are both creepy as hell if you ask me. Go Obama.

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Valerie, Santa Monica, CA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:51:42 GMT

My guess is that Obama would have voted the same way on Iraq as he did on Kyl-Liebarman (Iran) where he voted absent.

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Madeleine, Maryland — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:53:26 GMT

Although the largest laugh came from Hillary Clinton . . . "it will take a Clinton to clean up the Bush White House" . . . She has never answered the questions sufficiently. Will a co-presidency work in 2009?

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Anthony Palomo — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:57:12 GMT

Let us all remember folks, vote on the issues at hand. Which war are we to fight? The war in Iraq or the Healthcare war we have back home? I say we just deplete them both. You have cancer?? You're missing your arm because of the war? Aww, have you some home remedies? And yes, I do believe Obama bagged this one tonight... He just seems to be an honorable trustworthy fellow from Honolulu, Hawaii.

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Prabhata — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:14:09 GMT

First of all these joint press conferences are not debates. These conferences are a great way to compare candidates' poise, intelligence, position on issues, and their ability to communicate in clear concise language. Hillary demonstrated her qualities very well. Then comes their past. What have the candidates done to demonstrate that they have worked to fulfill the ideals that they will bring to the office of the president. Obama's accomplishment are thin, but Hillary shines. It's easy not to make mistakes when one does not get involved. I will quote u-s-history.com to tell you her accomplishment before she became First Lady:

After entering Yale Law School in 1969, Rodham served on the board of editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action and provided legal advice for underprivileged and abused children at Yale-New Haven Hospital. She also interned with children’s advocate Marian Wright Edelman, received a grant to work at the Children’s Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in 1970; and worked for Senator Walter Mondale’s subcommittee on migrant workers during the summer of 1971. During her second year in law school, Rodham volunteered at the Yale Child Study Center, where she studied new research on early childhood brain development. She also worked at the city legal services providing free assistance to poor residents.

After graduating from Yale in 1973, Rodham began a year of post-graduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center, after having written her widely acknowledged thesis on children’s rights. She also became a staff attorney for the Children’s Defense Fund and was recruited to serve on the presidential impeachment inquiry staff for the House of Representative’s Judiciary Committee, investigating the Watergate Scandal. Rodham moved to Fayetteville, Arkansas, after President Richard M. Nixon resigned in August 1974. She joined boyfriend and colleague Bill on the University of Arkansas Law School faculty.

During Rodham Clinton’s 12 years as first lady of Arkansas, she continued to pursue children and family issues. She chaired the Arkansas Education Standards Committee to improve the testing standards of new teachers, founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and introduced Arkansas Home Instruction for Preschool Youth, a program that trained parents of preschool children in preparedness and literacy. The first lady also served on the Arkansas Children’s Hospital Legal Services board, Children’s Defense Fund board, while continuing to work for the Rose Law Firm. She was named one of the 100 most influential attorneys in America by the National Law Journal in 1988 and 1991. She was also named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.

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rebecca Phila — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:14:47 GMT

how could anyone be a vice president to Hillary with Bill in the picture

talk about being odd man out--
If Hillary is the nominee - whoever takes the VP job will be one very weak and/or ambitious pol -- because they will never find or have a "voice" in the Clinton/Clinton admin

Maybe there are those who think that's good

And then there are those who recall the 22nd amendment and that we left the monarchy in 1776

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P. Walker, Memphis, TN — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:42:41 GMT

It is now essential that our next President be able to command the 4C's of American political leadership to meet our national security interests both militarily and economically.
These 4C's being; commitment, courage, confidence & candor.
On the debate over the war in Iraq Senator Obama commanded all four of these while Senator Clinton commanded none.
Not only on the question of our national security, but on who can we believe will act at all times in our nations best interests Senator Obama truly is ready to command, not demand.

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Ken Barnes, Plano, TX — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:44:38 GMT

Sen. Clinton was on her best behavior tonight; but she was still barely likeable. Barack Obama is inspiring, and showed a strong enough command of the issues. He introduced himself well to California and the rest of the Super Tuesday electorates. Hillary Clinton just reminded us that the Clintons are sometimes tolerable, but you expect the wheels to fall off any minute.

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Dan Jones, MPLS MN — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:44:40 GMT

Obama be da man yo. Black man making his way in the world. Get them greedy republacans out of my pocket. Clinton's one of them. Centrist bitches can suck it!

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Jonathan — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:48:41 GMT

Chuck is right. (Especially for the undecided or "fence" voters)this election is about Obama, not Hillary. We know the Clintons (and, no you can't separate them). Obama has been the "unknown" figure. Clearly as people have gotten to know him, he has moved up in the polls everywhere (he's within 4% nationally now !) When people see (as many did tonight) that he is presidential and more than capable of doing the job, they will realize they can have an excellent president who also does not 1 bring the past scandals, 2) an uncontrollable spouse, 3)many enemies that will constantly pursue fights,and 4)an undemocratic dynasty to the White House. Showing that he can hold his own, coupled with the above points, makes Obama the necessary choice.

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Phil, CA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:50:32 GMT

''I keep wondering, are undecided voters waiting to see if Obama can prove his mettle for the presidency? There's a theory that believes just that.''

Chuck, theories don't believe in themselves. People do. Or not.

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Brian - Seattle, WA. — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:14:21 GMT

Wow, the bias is just everywhere in here. No one can give props to the other candidate they don't support? It seemingly doesn't matter what the other person did, only just saying whatever you can to convince yourself that *your* candidate came out on top.

Here is how I saw it.

Obama gave a very pointed response on the war that was very strong. Other answers he did very well on. He was pretty well on target for most answers and did not dodge the questions.

Clinton was a master at her responses, which is not unexpected. She is very good at debating and showed it probably more tonight than she's done before.

As far as they way they carried themselves, Hillary does not seem genuine to me. Her smile seems fake, and her expressions almost shrill at times. Additionally, her responses almost seem like she's annoyed and a few times she seemed to dodge the questions.

Obama carries himself very well but spends a lot of time explaining things. He took up a lot of time early on talking about positions.

I thought both candidates did well but Obama seemed to tip the scale with his response on Iraq. He seemed to have a firm control of the question and he wasn't afraid to put Hillary on the defense. When it turned around, she didn't counter well enough and ultimately, that was the turn of the debate for me.

What annoyed me the most (as Chuck points out) was the celebs in the audience. The Democrats didn't need that. McCain and Romney will be sure to mention it next debate. Additionally, CNN was almost blatantly biased against Hillary. For example, at the end of that debate Obama gets this huge softball question about sex and violence from Hollywood and Hillary gets a question about Bill and his role in the White House? Come on. That is hurting our debate and hurting the political process. The Media should conduct itself better than that. There were other, less obvious instances of this (like letting Obama talk longer than he should) but I was really disappointed in CNN and Wolf (why does a monotone guy like this have a show?).

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Nancy, Indianapolis, IN — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:21:01 GMT

To Kim in Pasadena, thanks for posting the information about Sen. Obama's objection to going to war in Iraq. He absolutely knew he was putting his political career on the line by coming out against the war at that time. Doesn't anyone remember how difficult it was to do so in the climate that said if you were not for the war you were not patriotic. I've also seen interview footage of him discussing in more detail why he thought it would be a mistake because of the complex make up of the population, insurgencies that would result, etc. His analysis was amazingly accurate. Sen. Clinton didn't even read the available intelligence reports.

I voted for Bill Clinton twice but believe it is time to move foward. Although the enconomy was better then, do we really want to revisit all the scandals, investigations (of both Clintons), impeachment, etc. Bill Clinton's poor personal judgment is at least partially responsible for the Congress turning republican and for putting Bush in office. Republicans will have a field day in a general election with all the Clinton baggage and they will go in droves to vote against Hillary.

That's not good for the democratic party or the country. I think we have more to choose from than Bushes and Clintons. And wouldn't it be nice to put some integrity back in the White House?

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Bass, Los Angeles, CA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:22:30 GMT

Obama brings people together and can take a solid stand - Drivers license, Iraq etc. Hillary is too polarizing and waves to where the wind is blowing - wants drivers license one week, and changes mind the next week. That was the difference in tonight's debate to me!

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Fred, Carson, CA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:25:40 GMT

Obama will make the better president and Hillary the Vice. That's because Obama is more charismatic, does not waiver, lovable and inspiring. Hillary may make a good vice president as she can get the job done, but cannot take a tough stand on issues!

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Jeff Downey, Plainfield, IL — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:26:04 GMT

If Hillary admits she was wrong she gets crusified in the media. I don't want a president who believes he is "right on day one". I believe the our current president believes he is right. I want someone who knows how to act when things aren't going according to plan. Hillary didn't handle the Iraq question well but Obama wasn't consistent with his policies. He is against mandates in healthcare because it requires enforcement. How is he going to mandate children to be covered under his plan without enforcement? He never explained this because he can't. What I saw was Obama getting a pass for his policy inconsistencies. You want someone with vision well it was Hillary sitting in front of congress taking a beating trying to reform healthcare more than 10 years ago. She didn't get it done in that political environment but she put her neck on the block. I don't want a motivational speaker re-energizing 60's themes. I want someone who knows how to drive policies through and get things done.

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Blake in Northern California — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:33:46 GMT

To everyone on this board, and I know most of you are younger like me (25). I understand why you like Hillary. Her husband has looked like a saint after what the Bush Administration has done. The economy was great under him and he seemed to be able to keep us out of enough trouble. So some more years of a Clinton would do us good right?

Maybe, maybe not. The point in this whole election is that we have a chance to see something historical happen. Not just by the fact a woman or african american becomes president, but because we will have someone who has the best chance of any other president to be actually truthful with us.

Now we have all heard Obama is uplifting and motivational when he speaks and Clinton supporters, you know as well as anyone else that he is. The key principle he stands for is bringing the government back to the people though. As far fetching as that sounds, and trust me I'm with you in believing a politician can be truly honest with us, isn't in conceivable that it could quite possibly happen?

I always have asked myself why a candidate doesn't just come out and look us in the eye and flat out tell us he (or she) will be upfront and honest with us? Well my friends, as John Mccain would say, we have met the person that has and will continue to do that in Barack Obama.

The debate tonight was for the most part a draw. I thought Hillary had a slight edge but only because she talked more. And the reason why I say and edge is because talking more can persuade those who haven't followed the race as closely as the rest of us makes it seem like that candidate is more in control.

I must go back to what I have said already my fellow Generation X-ers, we need to get this man into the oval office so he can be the president that changes our generation and the one that will be remembered as The Honest One.

We can only take so many generations of discontent for our government before we give up, let this moment prevent you from stopping the fight!

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Jean of Crofton, MD — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:35:31 GMT

"stable equilibrium" _ thanks, Phy Pol, I wondered what term to call this untouchable bubble which Hillary Clinton appears to be in - and I agree that only she (as a woman) can benefit from this essentially "victim" position (and I agree that if the voting majority of women & nearly all Latino women go with this "sympathy vote" Hillary will likely get nominated - frankly I'm not so sure about elected). Rather strange, don't you think, to have the leader of the free world elected by young & older "feminists" based more on emotion than logic & reason? I'm a baby boomer woman & I have a much longer memory of the nastiness of the Clinton WH, and I can't support Clinton, but I wholly agree with this assessment of the campaign. Younger & older women seem to have totally fallen for Hillary's gender thing, and there's not a darned thing Obama can do about it. He has much more character, strength & appeal across the board - and is clearly more inspirational. It will be incredibly interesting to see if either of them will agree to be the running mate. I LOVED "rmh"s comments comparing Hillary to the wedding guest (or airplane passenger) you never want to sit next to -- I guess that's why I really never enjoy listening to her. She says all the right things, but you never sense that she really believes those things from her core - that's why she takes so long to make a point b/c she does it superficially - from her head, not from her heart. I don't think she has a firm internal compass, actually, I think she's reactive to what she expects from those around her. BTW, I totally agree with Chuck Todd - the Republicans are going to BLAST the DEms with having this debate in Hollywood - and people in Kansas, Nebraska, Montana, Alabama, Missouri, aren't really going to like that at all. Especially with the economy the way it is . . . I read a story of how former tennis phenom Andrea Jager sold an $18,000 watch to buy presents for sick kids when she was 20 - yes, Brad & Angelina give lots to charities, but really are the Dems supposed to be the party for the underdogs in the USA?
Kim in Pasadena - thanks for reiterating Barack's prediction as to what would happen following an invasion of Iraq - I feel certain that Colin Powell thought the same thing; that's why (among other reasons) he left. That single decision was the worst possible choice following 9/11 - made us the bully of the world, enhanced al Qaeda's recruitment, and is bankrupting our government & economy (and will continue to do so for years). Bin Laden was hoping to drag us into Afghanistan; he could never have fathomed the greater success of having us bogged down in Iraq too (just as he could not have fathomed that the WTC towers would both actually come down). Obama knew that we were squandering ALL of the good will which we had in the World after 9/11.

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FJ Stratford, King Of Prussia PA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:37:53 GMT

Chuck Todd should take Chris Matthew and start an Obama Groupies Club.

And the answer is NO. Hillary won the debate. Her answer to the illegal immigrant is FAIR to all involved including white southerners and blacks. Unlike Obama who stuttered through it all.

Iraq is complex and Obama cant handle it. That's why he was AWOL when the vote had to be done

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Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:40:20 GMT

the debate was won by Hillary and although Wolf, Obama, Ariannia, Josh, Rachel and Keith would like to pigeon hole Hillary into an apology for her vote, she is standing firm...if you took the time to go back and see what she said on the floor of the Senate you would see that she did not agree to a pre-emptive war and she wanted the weapon inspectors back in...but the reason the debate did not tip to Obama on Iraq is because that was then and this is now...and Hillary is the one that went to the Pentagon to demand to know what their exit strategy is...they have none... and Hillary is the one who is sponsoring legislation to stop George Bush from further entangling us in his Iraq war after he leaves office and Hillary was gracious enough to ask Barak to co-sponsor the legislation with her...Hillary is the one who is being proactive and doing something meaningful about getting us out and stopping Bush and as usual, Obama is just talking about it as he is prone to do...and talk and talk and talk...

besides the Iraq issue, the american people are more concerned these days about the economy, their jobs, and keeping their homes...so nice try...but Hillary won the debate and she has the most vision and best plans to get the USA back on the right track

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Michele Sibaleus — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:24:29 GMT

To Brandon the graduate at UofL. If Hillary wins, there will be no other vice-president, as her Bill will be the real P. His history of subjugating women, including her, will just repeat itself...

M.O.K.

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Victoria Hope, Oakland, CA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:25:23 GMT

Hillary's response that president is a "lonely" office she alone would fill was empty reply to the dynasty question. And throughout debate she ate sugar out of her own hand and the hand of Senator Obama until she soured on Iraq question. Obama? Serious and presidential and gentlemanly, answering the questions pointedly except one. He did not say he could accommodate the desires of voters for any kind of ticket with Hillary, but he was gentlemanly in reply. As for Hillary's "It takes a Clinton to clean up after Bush" tired line? Really? Turn the page. Out with "W" and them! Hillary lost a lot of her "inevitable" candidacy enter Barack Obama and he needs her not, if he wins nomination against odds!

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Simon, London, UK — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:52:13 GMT

Hillary Clnton is a follower, not a leader. She followed the crowd who voted to invade Iraq. She followed the crowd who argued for exceptions for torture, then followed them again when the politics of the moment changed. And now she has followed her husband's lead by running for US president just as he did. But if this is Hollywood, then she has been badly miscast. She'd probably make a good vice-president, as Obama himself astutely observed, but would be a relatively indecisive Commander-in-Chief. Bill naturally knows it, which is why he continually has to be shore up her credibility by being a crutch to her. She looks good on TV, and I feel sorry for her because she's a nice enough lady, as again Obama himself noted, but those qualities on their own aren't the stuff of presidents. On the other hand, Obama is a leader in the classic mold, and that's evidently what the the more astute among the Kennedys have seen in him as well.

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Simon, London, UK — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:55:41 GMT

Hillary Clinton is a follower, not a leader. She followed the crowd who voted to invade Iraq. She followed the crowd who argued for exceptions for torture, then followed them again when the politics of the moment changed. And now she has followed her husband's lead by running for US president just as he did. But if this is Hollywood, then she has been badly miscast. She'd probably make a good vice-president, as Obama himself astutely observed, but would be a relatively indecisive Commander-in-Chief. Bill naturally knows it, which is why he continually has to shore up her credibility by being a crutch to her by her side. She looks good on TV, and I feel sorry for her because she's a nice enough lady as again Obama himself noted, but those qualities on their own aren't the stuff of presidents. On the other hand, Obama is a leader in the classic mold, and that's evidently what the the more astute among the Kennedys have seen in him as well.

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Jason — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:13:48 GMT

Clinton talks till your eyes glaze over - much like how Gore lost to bush in 2000. Obama is the real deal and America is waking up. Will enough people wake up in time?

Ring your neighbors doorbell bell people, ring their phones - it's time to change course. Unplug from fear and doubt and talking heads - The only thing you'll give up is the safety of knowing your country is going to shit.

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Jerry Firman, Rockport, Texas — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:33:18 GMT

One day you will look back and realize that Barack Obama became President of the United States because of the simple act of putting his hand on the back of Hillary's chair.

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Tommy Allen, Los Angeles, CA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:51:26 GMT

As a 30 year old black male Independent... Obama finally won me over tonight.

My reservation had always been his ability or inability to stand against a Republican in a general election. To me he more than proved that tonight.

He made some very clear distinctions, one of those being his ability to CREDIBLY debate a Republican on the war... which we KNOW will be a huge debate in the general election. Im much more comfortable with a candidate that can say "I opposed the war" rather than one who has to say "I voted for it... but I changed my mind". The republicans will EAT THAT ALIVE. Furthermore she STILL refuses to say that the war vote was a mistake... yet another opening for Republicans to gain ground.

Another point he made was that although she has more "experience" that experience obviously has not given her superior judgment. The line about not only being ready to lead on day one but being RIGHT on day one... was masterful.

He can count on my vote.

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Kevin H, OR — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:23:10 GMT

In the debate, Obama said words to the effect: "We need a President who gets it right on day one"

I wonder if he thinks that JFK got the "Bay of Pigs" right??

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juan vargas los angeles — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:01:48 GMT

Hi my name is juan vargas,and I am the assistant union organizer for the house keeper hospital union local (509) we are 16,000,00 strong, and after coming from tonights debate we're endorsing(barack obama) Latino's for OBAMA!

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Illinois resident — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:14:41 GMT

This network has pratically endorsed Obama. Everyone I talk to is disguisted with the media for pushing a candidate down our throats. People are not as stupid as you think.

Clearly Hillary won the debate. She will be the Democratic nominee. She gives details. She is best qualified to be President. Obama is touting his ILLINOIS STATE SENATE experience as his qualifications to run the world. That is truly scary.

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Eleanor, NY, NY — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:20:00 GMT

Well put Chuck. Her answer on Iraq had more twists than an Agatha Christie novel.

She showed poor judgment in authorizing this war. And I think if she play the naive card, it further enhances her poor judgment, not only on this issue but on her handling of Health Care, coming out and blaming a vast right wing conspiracy prior to the Monica mess, etc.

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GaryD — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:54:17 GMT

Obama remains Obama...the same during all the debates...the same during all the primaries...consistent...steady hand...presidential.
Hillary changes tunes to whatever the audience is whistling. Hillary motto seems to be... I will do or say or become whatever it takes to win. She cares more about her personal power than the power of the people. Obama keeps talking about power to the people. Clinton followers are truly running over the cliff possessed by the same evil that "is" Hillary Clinton. She made the best point....too many years of Bushes followed by too many years of Clintons. It's time for a real change. If Hillary becomes president the immigration issue might be self balancing as thousands of US citizens leave the country.... I know that I will be one of them. I cannot be under a government blatantly headed by Satan.

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Amy B Portland, Me — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:23:20 GMT

I am a receptionist with a BA in English, not political science, and even I knew the vote was to authorize the war. I marched against the invasion before it began, how could Hillary have trusted Bush? I didn't. In my world, Obama's position is exactly where most people have always been. It was always evident to half of America the invasion was an ill conceived risk.

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Toni C — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:54:06 GMT

I submit that Clinton explains her vote for the Iraq War on the delusion that the President would, having this blank check to go to war, seek further diplomacy before starting the war.

Many in the Senate thought such wishful thinking was in fact delusional and sought to have an amendment that would make sure the president tried diplomacy one more time. Why was Clinton opposed to the Levin amendment if she felt that was not voting for the “rush to war” She claims Levin would have subordinated the power of the President to the U.N. That’s just wrong and deceptive.

In the Senate she said:

“Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.”

She abdicated the responsibility to Bush. There is a reason the Constitution gives Congress the power to declare war and here is where she failed in that responsibility the founders instilled in her and others.

If you want an example of her experience and so called leadership failing to act with the wisdom and judgment she was entrusted with as a senator this is it. “Open and shut” as she put it.

While I am no Kennedy fan, I am reassured by his sense of what his job was on this issue:
“In this situation, it would be wrong for Congress to act now to authorize the President to go to war before the steps the President has outlined are exhausted. The most solemn responsibility any Congress has is the responsibility given the Congress by the Constitution to declare war. We would violate that responsibility if we delegate that responsibility to the President in advance before the President himself has decided the time has come for war. –Ted Kennedy

Compare Kennedy’s experience and knowledge about senatorial responsibility to Clinton’s willingness to delegate that responsibility to Bush.

So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President- Clinton

Constitutionally Mr. Kennedy had it right didn’t he?

Later Votes on Funding are a Red Herring

Votes to fund the war after that are not the issue as nearly every patriotic Senator is reluctant to remove funding for troops already in the field and produce an unstable situation without a commensurate plan from the Commander in Chief to execute in the face of cut funds. It’s irresponsible do cut funding for an army dying in the field. Put another way, voting for arson is not the same as voting for the equipment and firefighters to put out the fire caused by the vote for arson.

On Levin

Hillary claims that the Levin amendment would have given the U.N. authority to handcuff (“subordinate” in the debate) the President. That is: it would somehow surrender sovereignty to the U.N. That is clearly an excuse. But it’s also a lie..

As another senator (chaffee) who supported the Levin amendment put it,

The Levin Amendment “affirmed that Congress would stand at the ready to reconsider the use of force if, in the judgment of the president, a United Nations resolution was not “promptly adopted” or enforced. Ceding no rights or sovereignty to an international body, the amendment explicitly avowed America’s right to defend itself if threatened.”

While I understand why Hillary voted for the war in the post 9/11 fervor, she can’t get me to believe that it was for the reasons she said. Else she would have voted for Levin. I also understand why she doesn’t want to admit a mistake on the biggest issue she voted on.

But there is the rub. She chooses instead to try and deceive me. Therefore she will not get my vote. I really don’t want another President lying to me for political purposes. If she told the truth I’d vote for her, at least in the general. But as it stands she is no better than any other liar on this issue.

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Dianna - Owasso, Oklahoma — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:08:06 GMT

Yes it did tip to him in my opinion. Anyone who voted for that either knew what was going to happen or with her argument was naive. Either way I do not want that person in the white house. Can we please have a new name @ 1600 Pennsylvania Ave???

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CG, MI — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:11:54 GMT

I find it very interesting that not many are talking about the immigration exchange. Am I crazy, or did Mrs. Clinton agree with the questioner that illegal immigrants are a major cause of poverty among African-Americans? More race-baiting?

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Lee Ocala FL — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:29:40 GMT

Reading all these Obama messages is really quite frightening - before Oprah who even heard of him - he was a junior senator from Illinois - do we really think this country is ready for a black/muslim/Christian? President named Obama who has two or three whole years of experience- Of course as I ask this I realize that many of the folks on this site probably voted for Bush twice - sometimes it amazes me how short sighted the American people can be even when the truth is looking right at them. Don't want change so bad that you throw the baby out with the bath water - we have serious problems that need serious solutions not feel good rhetoric!

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Williams, Chicago Illinois — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:01:09 GMT

I thought both candidates did a excellent job. I am still going to vote for Obama. I listen to HRC and she stated she has been trying to get Universal healthcare since 92. What bills has HRC achieved to get get passed. I believe it is time for a change. I believe Obamba can bring this nation together. He has the leadership to bring all parties together. This is something I do not hear from HRC. I believe their is still bad blood in White House for the Clintons. I think the Republicans will win if she wins. Please, I can not believe Bill will just sit back and let her run the White House. America, please wake up and see it is time for change.

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BJM, Boston, Mass. — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:02:34 GMT

MSNBC is the most ridciulously biased cable news network (and it takes a lot to challenge Fox News for that title). The pro-Obama bias of Matthews, Olbermann, and now Chuck Todd is really appalling. But given that Todd is Matthews "guru," it's not surprising he'd eventually sell out - how about a more even-handed approach to covering these candidates?

Did Iraq tip debate to Obama?

Larry Gross, Bozeman, MT — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:21:08 GMT

I posted a series of videos on youtube about why I’m supporting Barack Obama for president. I invite you to give them a view.

My youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/elderwannabe

The ones I think are the most interesting are “Support Obama 5: Experience: Destroying the Exception” and “Support Obama 2: Women’s Issues and Hot House Flowers.”

Support Obama 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJOuYE4g92M

Support Obama 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5DdotWu6lw

In Support Obama 5, I take on the argument that because Hillary Clinton is the more experienced candidate, she’ll be the better president. If we can find an exception to that argument, the argument is not valid logically speaking. The logical fallacy is called “destroying the exception.” Of course we can find an exception. I’m hoping the term “destroying the exception” will enter the general vocabulary and make people think twice about the issue of experience.

In Support Obama 2, I argue that Barack Obama is actually the better candidate on women’s issues. I won’t get into the argument here. Check it out.

Let me know what you think of the videos, and if you like them, I invite you to spread the word, especially about the “destroying the exception” video.

Did Iraq tip debate to Obama?

ggranny21 — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:43:45 GMT

BJM,you sure have this figured out.Everyone I talk to has switched from MSNBC.One can not get news there anymore,it's all opinion.We the people just let them pick again like the last time they kissed a-- and none of them admit they were wrong!!!!!

Did Iraq tip debate to Obama?

Shankr, Maplegrove, MN — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:20:27 GMT

Obama inspires me to work harder while HC inspires me to be cold, calculating and not be true to myself.

HC is more about being the first woman than leading us out of this mess. Bill has shown us his true personality in his reaction to HCs loss at SC. At the very best, HC is deserving of being a VP to President Obama.

Did Iraq tip debate to Obama?

Simon, San Francisco, CA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:42:40 GMT

Obama is poised knowledgeable and willing to work with others. Never have we had a candidate so brilliant but so humble to know that knowledge is infinite and even his is finite. We need someone who has Obama's cool judgement.

Did Iraq tip debate to Obama?

Joe, San Diego, CA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:55:30 GMT

I agree with Chuck on this one. Obama seemed clearer on the issues last night. Seriously, on what issue did Hillary get an upper hand? Her biggest moment of the night was the, "It'll take a Clinton to clean up after another Bush" comment. Should we vote for her because she can spout a useless one-liner every now an then? Obama killed her on Iraq. She was fumbling around like a teenager on a first date.

Did Iraq tip debate to Obama?

Carolynn — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:57:08 GMT

How come Obama supporters never refer to Obama's decision and judgement regarding Tony Rezko? Ws that lack of experience or lack of judgement? ( Rezko and Obama are family friends. Rezko is now in jail for fraud) Obama took $$$$ from him and also purchased real estate property next to Rezko for 300,000. BELOW market value. How about all the times he voted absent on bills? It was EASY to oppose the war if you did NOT HAVE to vote on it! He has such little CONCRETE experience it looks as tho his life has been an empty book with "feel Good" speeches! We trusted Bush because he was a person the media loved to talk with too! Read the Chicago papers-- read the legislation-- Everyone has about Hillary and she is still the BEST!