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jaycee, Ventura, California — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:11:00 GMT

I must remind my fellow Democrats that before long it will be time to try and pull this thing back together and win a general election. In order to do that some of us are going to have to let go of one cherished dream in favor of another, perhaps one we don’t fully appreciate. The transition will be much easier if we treat each other with respect during the heat of battle.

For a great many of us who came of age during the 60s, part of our dream has always been a more tolerant nation, willing to assess a person’s ability without regard to race or gender or the myriad other ways of being different. On the plus side, if we can manage to get either of our candidates elected this cycle we take a giant step. On the down side, many of us now face a painful and unexpected choice that threatens to fragment the coalition we need to build over the next nine months to avoid another giant step backward.

I’ve seen a number of posts blaming Barack for inflicting this painful choice on us by not waiting his turn. You folks must be thinking of the other party. Republicans like to wait in line, a wonderful system which can turn out such scintillating candidates as Bob Dole. That sort of behavior has not been characteristic of the Democratic Party in recent times. Of course you can argue that we’ve had some spectacular flameouts as a result, but I still wouldn’t have it any other way.

Many posts call for a candidate experienced in fighting the right wing attack machine, in vengeful anticipation of setting right all the grievances of decades past. Still others want to know what all this change talk is about and what does that really mean anyway? Well, generations younger than mine have a somewhat different dream. The symbolic significance of electing a woman or person of color is largely lost on them. Why? Because most of them already live in a more tolerant culture which pays much less attention to all the ways of being different.

Their dream involves a nation that finds a way to move beyond the constant political warfare and gridlock to address looming problems that they will continue to face long after we are gone. Do we have the right to insist that our dream must come first, even if it means stepping on theirs? If I vote for the woman candidate simply because she is a woman can I really say that I have achieved my goal of assessing ability without regard to gender difference?

For me the choice is pretty easy. The old dream must always yield to the new. The new dream is really an improvement on the old one after all. The enthusiasm for Obama among young people will not be transferable to Hillary in November. It is just not reasonable to expect them to share our excitement just because the candidate is a woman or person of color. Obama is speaking eloquently to their vision of the future, the place we have really been trying to reach all along. We will need to join with young people in this and future elections if we intend to have any influence on the direction we take as a nation. I submit that while they may not be able to go back in time to fully appreciate our dream, we can certainly work with younger generations to realize theirs.

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Lynette, NYC — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:18:59 GMT

Again i will last nights debate was a COUP for the democratic party. They were both polished, articulate, and informed. BOTH of them. I remain a Clinton Supporter, but for the first time I think both sides have to see the history that is being made, Just the two of them up there. I can see a Clinton/Obama ticket with him taking the helm in 2016. They get Edwards and Gore on board in the administration and they will be unstoppable. The biggest loser of the night was George Bush and the GOP... McCAin should be very very afraid...

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Tony in Wickenburg, AZ — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:26:27 GMT

Barack there is no way that Hillary can be an Effective Leader and Have any Creditability to Be an Authority Figure in the world , with these Kinds of Ties that will suggest there is an Element of Favoritism with Foreign Affairs , conflicts of bias in writing effective trade and foreign policies , and we not look like a Dictatorship . This will arm the Republicans with everything they need to Challenge Hillary Clinton and win the Whitehouse and The Senate and House , because the Rage over er these Conflicts of Interest will be Brought out into the light , if she is the Nominee . There is no way the Clintons will be able to shield their Conflicts , even what is Locked up in the Records at the Clinton Library will be Unsealed , our the Country will come unglued over the Cover up of the Conflicts of Being able to Lead the USA without being Biased towards Conflicts like this , and how it lends to a fascism that's monumental in how Power corrupts if it is allowed to Morph , like is the case here with Clinton and Private Enterprise being Influenced to move a Deal Beyond the Competitive forces of Free Enterprise , into a more Collective fascist state of affairs .
This is not Justice to the Sense of Democracy and the free Enterprise system , and is why Barrack Obama has to make the call to duty a top priority in his run for the Whitehouse , and call down the Thunder of What is the Right thing to do , so the Peoples Voices are heard .
Hillary says that she will bring the Voices to Washington , but this Voice of Bills Buddies that want to dominate Resources in the world and donate to Bill Clintons Foundations , might have some form of Influence over Hillary in the Whitehouse , as she drafts up some more unfair Trade Policies that these Conflicts of Interest can take advantage of .

This is the fascism that is causing all the problems with Free Enterprise not being Free of Influence , so that Competition can bring about real quality and demand a price that's driven by Quality as the focus of origin of product demand . What we have here by this type of practice in Material Origination , is a Conflict of why the material is being originated into a market , and this is pure Fascism , and the Clintons are eyeball deep in Corporate favortism , which is fascism 101 . Look it up and tell me that a Government Official and a Independent Enterpriser working together is not a form of pure fascism . And we wonder why our markets won't stabilize . The time for Real Change is here , Barack Obama is that Change .
Thanks and have a Great day in the Free Enterprising USA .

An ex-president, a mining deal and a big donor

Huge Kazakh deal follows financier’s trip with Clinton, precedes donation http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22926743
Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.

Upon landing on the first stop of a three-country philanthropic tour, the two men were whisked off to share a sumptuous midnight banquet with Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent.

Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy. Mr. Clinton’s public declaration undercut both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan’s poor human rights record by, among others, Mr. Clinton’s wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

Within two days, corporate records show that Mr. Giustra also came up a winner when his company signed preliminary agreements giving it the right to buy into three uranium projects controlled by Kazakhstan’s state-owned uranium agency, Kazatomprom.

Deal stunned the mining industry
The monster deal stunned the mining industry, turning an unknown shell company into one of the world’s largest uranium producers in a transaction ultimately worth tens of millions of dollars to Mr. Giustra, analysts said.

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.

Mr. Giustra was invited to accompany the former president to Almaty just as the financier was trying to seal a deal he had been negotiating for months.

In separate written responses, both men said Mr. Giustra traveled with Mr. Clinton to Kazakhstan, India and China to see first-hand the philanthropic work done by his foundation.

A spokesman for Mr. Clinton said the former president knew that Mr. Giustra had mining interests in Kazakhstan but was unaware of “any particular efforts” and did nothing to help. Mr. Giustra said he was there as an “observer only” and there was “no discussion” of the deal with Mr. Nazarbayev or Mr. Clinton.

But Moukhtar Dzhakishev, president of Kazatomprom, said in an interview that Mr. Giustra did discuss it, directly with the Kazakh president, and that his friendship with Mr. Clinton “of course made an impression.” Mr. Dzhakishev added that Kazatomprom chose to form a partnership with Mr. Giustra’s company based solely on the merits of its offer.

After The Times told Mr. Giustra that others said he had discussed the deal with Mr. Nazarbayev, Mr. Giustra responded that he “may well have mentioned my general interest in the Kazakhstan mining business to him, but I did not discuss the ongoing” efforts.

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Gary, DC — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:30:33 GMT

Chuck Todd, Chris Matthews, and Joe Scarborough are on the Obama payroll. Chuck are you forgetting that the number one issue is the economy and not Iraq.

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DJ, Philadelphia — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:33:20 GMT

In respect to dreams and hopes, I will quote Congresswoman, Maxine Waters:

People in my district have a lot of hope. They go to bed hungry, they have trouble heating their homes but they have a lot of hope that things will get better. They don't need more hope, they need help.

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JohnnyU, WA State — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:38:32 GMT

Both candidates were VERY impressive. Compare it to the McCain Romney squabble the night before. Wow!!!

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Lynne, LR, AR — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:49:03 GMT

Hillary is the most seasoned and experienced. The war issue will help her in the General Election.
It will prove that she is strong on National Security.
She has taken the position that she would not have voted for it if she had known then how it would turn out, so be it, her not apologizing helps her in the General against McCain or Romney.
She was great in the Debate as she usually is.
Nice going Senator Clinton!

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Carolyn Marion,OH — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:51:01 GMT

I think that Hilary Clinton should be our next President.

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Shadow, Hamden, CT — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:51:09 GMT

Obama and Clinton each put in their best debate performances thus far.

Obama: A+, Clinton A-.

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Nashville_fan — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:54:40 GMT

Senator Obama proved that he is not just a "speechmaker", but a policy maker as well. He is truly the total package, and I was very proud of his performance last night.

Senator Clinton also had an excellent debate. I think the problem I continue to have with "the Clintons" is how easily they can morph from elegant statespeople into political hacks. When they are in their best form, they have no equal. Sadly, the same can be said when they are at their worst, as we learned in Nevada and New Hampshire.

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jcheeseman, burlington,vt — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:00:48 GMT

Clinton was on task last nite. her facts are at her finger tips, there is not hunting for words, she thinks on her feet and she sees that everything is not black and white - there are 2 sides to issues and often a decision is based on information from sources you should trust - such as the president, cia, dept of defense, etc. Based on all input Clinton made and informed(so she thought) decision - a hard decision - but on for the safety of the nation. She Made a decision. Obama was not in the senate, he had no cis information available to him and made a black and white decision of no or yes . easy when you are not in the senate - but a bystander. Now that he is in the senate - he has voted to keep funding the war. I do not hold this against him but i feel he has to let this go. we are at war, we do have to get out, there are many sides to consider and plans to be made. I really think Clinton is the one to do this. Now about Obama - last night was the first nite i have seen him in a positive light. I think he lacks the experience to run the country YET. I would like the dems to think with their brain, put Clinton in the POTUS seat and follow up with Obama after her terms. He would be a world player at that point and we would get 16 years in the White House. That puts a smile on my face. 16 years of prosperity - 16 years to lift up the poor and middle class - 16 years to get the drug companies in line and keep them there. Lets talk about a Democrat Dynasty.

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Brian, Colorado Springs, CO — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:01:09 GMT

Check the exit polls. Obama is not winning within the Democratic party, but with Independents and some Republicans. I am such a voter. I always register as Independent. I changed to Democrat specifically to caucus for Obama. Afterwards, I will change back to Independent.

Being nice will not help Clinton now. Too many people like me have already seen her true personality, or which ever one shows up for the day.

If Obama losses the nomination, I estimate about 40%-60% of his votes go straight to McCain.

The only person I would vote for Clinton over would be Romney, but I would probably not even vote in that case.

Something many of you reporters and party establishment people don't seem to get yet; this generation (Gen X/Y), which is my generation, does not hold true to old alliances of the ruling parties. We do not vote Democrat or Republican just because of blue and red. While this subset of voters has always existed, I beleive they are now the majority over both parties.

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Independent Voter, Stuart , FL — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:20:20 GMT

Jaycee,

I applaud your articulate and well-written comment. Like you I became of age in the 60's. I have been a Registered Independent voter since coming of age.

I have not decided who I will vote for. However I feel pretty certain that I DO NOT want to return to the Clinton years. I remember only too well all the negativity of their administration and I do not want a repeat performance.

Hillary may say that she is the candidate but I see it as a third term for Bill. He, in my opinion, is running for President under the guise of a Hillary presidency.

I am in my senior years now, however I join the young people in looking to the future. It is time to move forward not look back

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Jon M, Alexandria, VA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:22:15 GMT

Wow, Jaycee from Ventura. That was insightful and beautifully said. Where do we read more of your thoughts? I like the way you describe and contrast the two dreams-- that's the best articulation of the Obama voters' dream I've seen thus far. I'm not sure how many Clinton voters would agree with your characterization of their dream-- in part because I think she appeals more to pragmatists than dreamers-- but certainly you've captured the view of some portion of her support bloc. One final thought-- I wonder why some people so clearly see Obama as embodying the dream you describe ("a nation that finds a way to move beyond the constant political warfare and gridlock to address looming problems that they will continue to face long after we are gone") and others seem really baffled about why people think he can accomplish it. Thoughts anyone?

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Watler Woronowicz, South River, NJ — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:24:05 GMT

For dreams to become a reality they need a person with experience to accomplish them. Nice speeches about hope and the future are great but we also must deal with today as well. The umemployed person can not wait years for hope to come into reality, they need help today. Today's problems need an experienced person who knows Washington and what it takes to get things done. Hillary is that person. Last night at the debate, her knowledge came through very clearly. Her responses about Iraq indicate to anyone who has watched the war closely that there are no easy answers. It is easy to say that you are against the war TODAY but the vote on Iraq was several years ago at a time when information indicated that some sort of action was needed. Mr Bush made the Iraq war into the problem that it is today. It is time to stop dreaming and wake up and smell the coffee. Nice speeches do not get things done and sometimes they lead to false hope.

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russ fox wells, maine — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:24:54 GMT

I think the debate was very good thank god there werent four or i may be saying something else..Any how i think Clinton new what she was doing when she voted for the Irag war...No i see the slum lord contributed to her. Bill now has his problems with the 31 million contribution..Now im really leary of the clintons..Looks like big money and lobyist will be running the white house...Independents wake up at least vote........McCain is just as bad, watched the debate and he looked like he was very smirky and wanted the lime light by shutting off ron paul, but he still didnt anser question only comment was how many endorsements he had...By the way my firend you will never get mine...

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Jame3s Elder, Cleveland Ohio — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:26:56 GMT

Jaycee, that was an extremely insightful post. I am also a product of the 60's. We voted for Kennedy much for the same reasons that young people today are flocking to Obama. The message of change and hope always resonates with the young. We've had our political hero in John and Bobby Kennedy and it has made us wiser, let the enthusiam of the young trickle up amd maybe just maybe we can recapture some of that innocence and dream just a little, let the experience that joy. If they decide that political hero is Obama lets embrace there choice and maybe we can realize dreams lost. One of Kennedy's many quotes that I still find inspring and is as relevant today as it was in the 60's

"[People] who strike out against injustice show the highest form of courage. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build up a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."

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Elizabeth — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:29:21 GMT

I agree that both candidates did the Democrats - and the country! - proud last night. I commend them both, and, under normal circumstances, I would readily and happily vote for either of them (as I would have for Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, or Biden).

BUT ........ The thing I want most to avoid, whoever is elected, is a continuation of the Bush way of doing things: divisivness, lack of candor, an attitude that the public is stupid and will ultimately accept anything said with certainty and repitition, flurries of words to obscure truths, and vicious, vicious attacks on or freezing out anyone who disagrees. Sen. Clinton has so many strengths and attractive attributes, but the way that she has run this campaign is, in my eyes, inexcusable and points to a lack of core integrity and respect for both her opponent and the voters.

The Rovian techniques didn't work, thanks in large part to Obama's skill in dealing with them, but even if she's put them away and stays nice for the rest of the campaign, how do I set aside the fact that she was willing to take that route, intentionally did so? It's a matter of character. I so very much wish someone would ask her to defend or explain the Soc Sec and pro-choice mailers she sent out a day or two before each of the first few primaries? or the deliberate distortion of Obama's statements about Reagan (she showed last night that she is quite bright enough to have understood what he was saying)? Or any of a number of other deliberate choices she made that, in my view, put herself and her success ahead of anything: the party, the country, or simple, common decency. If she could explain, in straightforward terms, why those actions were justified and acceptable, then I might reconsider my decision never to vote for her again. Even an "I made a mistake" would perhaps help but (another similarity with Bush) I don't think she finds it ever easy, or even possible, to admit a mistake.

Ggood behavior now and "let's just forget about that early stuff - I'm behaving now, aren't I?" simply isn't going to cut it, I'm afraid, at least not when there is someone as strong as Obama, who is straight-forward and has NOT resorted to underhanded tricks that play on the fear and gullibility of the voters, as an alternative.

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Renee, Dade City FL — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:29:51 GMT

I totally agree with jaycee. When this race first started, I could not wait to vote for Hillary Clinton. And while I still have great respect for her, and believe she is an extremely important Democratic figure, I support Barack Obama as the next President. He is the future, my college age children want him as President. Barack Obama has done the most amazing thing: convinced young voters that their voices matter and that politics matter. He has shown them the the leadership of our country matters. He has brought them into the political discussion, in my opinion, a huge positive for the nation.

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Udontknow, california — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:33:20 GMT

To: Brian, Colorado Springs, CO (Sent Friday, February 01, 2008 10:01 AM)

What are you a mind reader? Wait and see then stay home.

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john — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:33:29 GMT

The only reason no one likes the Clintons is because they have hoad over $ 80,000,000 dollars spent to make them look like the incarnate's of sataan...you don't think the republicans won't do that to obama...oh and btw obama doesn't ahve a balck problem with the electorate...he has a muslim problem....sad but true...

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Todd, Oregon — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:37:38 GMT

All in all we saw a great debate last evening; the party stuck to its roots and displayed the differences needed to return our country to the hands of those whom make it a country to start with.

The time of war will soon come to pass, the U.S. has clouded it place in our world making this the saddest chapter in our history.

The most powerful statement the Democratic Party can make today for change, is to “Change” the rules of the game, to make a statement not only to the young of our country but to world that we will be taking the helm of our future.

Mr Obama and Mrs Clinton; Please just join forces now; announce to the Republicans that the two of you will be seeking the White House together. We don’t need debates, we don’t need delegates, what we need are definitive results. Put John McCain on notice; tell him to pick his running mate, because we already have.

Barrack bring us the young and poor, Hillary bring us the old and middle class, together you two can unit this county like no other two individuals in history.

We don’t care who the V.P. is, only you two have the “Audacity” to carry forward the vision of “Hope” and the “Strength” we as a country need “To Be Ready On Day One”

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:40:21 GMT

The Clinton News network debates are always kinder to Hillary Clinton. When she gets out there and has to start answering some of the tougher questions; Like her fundraising schemes and her record keeping in Little Rock and her giving earmarks to billionaires and her vote for the Iraq war from people who are not going to want to play softball, then we will see the real Hillary Clinton.

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russ Wells, Maine — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:46:16 GMT

the best thing about last nights vote is Anderson Cooper wasnt the moderator...I Still Havent heard and opology to Ron Paul and Huckabee...would be nice next time if your going to embarrass them dont invite them...

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Mark, Columbus, OH — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:47:02 GMT

If Senator Clinton gets the nomination, I doubt that Senator Obama would be her running mate. She needs him - but he doesn't need her. Being Hillary's VP would dim the chances of having his own presidency if she should become president. If Clinton wins the presidency, Obama would be weakened if a Clinton administration is not successful after one term, but also weakened if a Clinton administration is successful after two terms (ie, see Al Gore).

If Senator Obama wins the nomination, I doubt that he would even offer the VP slot to Senator Clinton. And I doubt that she would accept even if it was offered to her. In many ways, Clinton was a second vice-president, or even co-president, with her husband. Been there, done that.

The "dream ticket" doesn't match the political reality.

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Kato Manning NY — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:57:53 GMT

Hillary Clintons main problem? She's a Muslim.

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Joe, Columbia, SC — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:00:09 GMT

Here's the real issue at hand. If you are an independent (me) and certainly a democrat, then you're probably fed up with mess Bush and 8 years of the GOP have created. Therefore, we need a change and someone to make that happen. I believe both Clinton and Obama are FAR superior to McCain or any other choice, but I support Obama because he has a MUCH better chance to win the general election. He appeals to a much wider audience than Clinton, and I know of many people around the country who would consider McCain over Clinton because there is a mis-trust with her. To win the general election you have to sieze the middle. Obama/McCain - the middle 20% goes to Obama, Clinton/McCain - the middle 20% goes to McCain. Obama gives "change" the best chance to win, that's why he had my vote last weekend.

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Sean Penn, Binghamton, NY — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:01:26 GMT

fallout of the obama-kennedy-kerry hook-up continues and wide speculation continues as to wether edwards will back clinton....both decko/levenson and cartiers polls show clinton with leads well over 20 points in Cal, NY, NJ, and leads of 18 & 19 respectively for Mass and CT and these polls are post edwards removal decision....edwards is expected to back clinton some time this weekend and it is widely speculated that it will happen on sunday prior to the super bowl with the large captive audience...stay tuned for this one!!!!

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Renee, Dade City FL — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:04:51 GMT

John
Please explain what you mean by "he has a muslim problem"
I am SO curious

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Joshua, Harleysville, Pennsylvania — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:10:28 GMT

They both did a good job with the debate by playing it safe, but will that undermine Clinton's lead umong Edward supporters? The true test is February 5, we will have a clear front runner, God willing, so we can unit the party. These two candidates, Obama and Hillary will make a great ticket!

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JT, Texas — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:18:11 GMT

Renee, Dade City,

This is what makes politics so much fun, I don't think my dreams have to be subordinated to my chilrens. I think they can co-exist and both dreams can flourish. Some of us in the older generation feel we are on the brink of seeing a part of our dreams finally come to pass. Think about it, we have had nothing but men serve as President, and while it would be historic to see a black person elected President of the United States, he is still a man, an inspiring one too, but in my view it would be even more historic to see a woman given the chance to guide this country and nourish the dreams of both generations.

By the way another interesting thing about politics, my college age children can't wait to see Hillary in office, and yes they are both girls.

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4 Hillary all the way... chicago, il — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:20:23 GMT

Obama? yeah you are right, he is gettign a lot of support from Republican, you know why? because they one someone they can beat in November. of course, it is a good strategy.
Lets face it, It is excited that an AA is running, but it doenst mean anything if the person is not prepared for that important job. becareful, remember Bush? preaching about change, new direction and yes, he gave us a new direction, look where we are today. Obama is no ready, that is the fact, the clinton can be whatever teh republican can say, ( most of thoise who are talking about the clinton are not democrats they are republican who present themselve as democrat) but the fact is that Clinto has what it take to be a great president and we should be proud of her and stop that blaming game...
I am a latino and i dont see Obama doing anything for his own people (AA)what make you think he will do something as president? the CLinton have been working for minority since before they were in the white house.
Yeah, I dont care if BIll help Hillary in the white house. I am sure, he will be more helpful than Mrs. Obama. Stop trying to minimize the value that the Clinton can offer to this country, specially to the economy.
what was the big mistake that Bill Clinton commited when president? why some are talkign like if he was a bad president? that is stupid, ridiculous and insane, how many lets a group of white men in the media to portrait Bill CLinton as a evil person.
well, he is not perfect, who is? are you? give me a brake...

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Chris Penn — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:23:44 GMT

jaycee, well said, however, Hillary seems to be many peoples new dream. She is winning now and will win in November. Obama just doesn't cut it right now. A Clinton/Obama ticket is awesome!!!!

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Jeanne GA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:26:09 GMT

I just loved the debate, they were both great!Obama is too young and inexperienced now. I'd LOVE to see a Clinton/Obama ticket. That is unbeatable!!

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NY, NY — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:26:33 GMT

After reading many of the post from people this morning, I do believe one great thing came out of this debate. I believe most supporters of Obama are now willing to vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. The ones who say they won't are not true democrats anyway. I think the MSNBC and other media outlets like Ed Shultz radio show, have tried to make Hillary out to be so evil that some democrats were actually beginning to say she was just like Bush and that is so far from the truth. I now now think of Ed Shultz as the new Left Rush Limbaugh. He constantly bashes Hillary like Rush bashes McCain. These guys are suppose to help their fellow party memebers but instead bash them to get their listeners to hate them and only like their candidate. What they should be doing is rooting for anyone in their party and not trying to damage them before the general election. Instead, they only care about their own egos and them making the news instead of reporting it.

I definitely think MSNBC and Ed Shultz will suffer in the ratings from their constant Hillary bashing. I don't know how they think they could bash Hillary when half of their audience likes Hillary. Did they not realize that there will be a backlash? You now have some of the Obama people realizing the bias is so over the top that they can even see it.

I urge all Deomcrats to vote for whoever wins the nomination and don't watch MSNBC anymore. I would suggest watching PBS and listening to NPR to get a fair coverage of the election.

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HMT — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:27:55 GMT

Clinton won the debate by explaining her plans so articulatly.Obama did not.Hope is just a soundbite that seems to enthrall most of you.I have been hoping for the past 7 years---sure didn't help any.Colon Powell and his performance in the U N,with all the doctored photos and vials of powders decided congress to go to war.Admit it we were fooled by someone that we respected.Where is Powell now?Used and discarded by Bush and the neocons.How many of you believed him and be honest?And how we hooped and hollered hooray when the bombs were dropped on any Iraqi in the way.we are all guilty in going into this war.Obama did not even vote on it but learned early a mistake had been made.Me too and I am not running for president.

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Heather, Lowell, Ma — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:28:15 GMT

Glancing through the posts here, it is odd that there is a major lack of reference to either Obama's or Clinton's stands on policies.

You would almost thing that policies and stands on issues mattered!

How odd.

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Mark, Columbus, OH — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:29:38 GMT

This blog cites two articles with vastly different headlines:

Los Angeles Times: "Clinton, Obama gently debate Iraq in Hollywood"

Politico: "Obama beats Hillary over head with Iraq"

Has anyone pressed Senator Obama for having an identical Iraq voting record to Senator Clinton since he was elected in 2004 ?

Anyone ???

Fairy tale indeed !!!

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Sean, Mons, Belgium — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:42:23 GMT

If Obama is the nominee I fear we Democrats don't have as good a chance at winning and it will be for the same reason that Chuck Todd claims tipped this debate to Obama (I disagree with Chuck Todd). McCain, the guy who can defend our nation, vs. Obama who lacks the thing Hillary pointed out "gravitas". Trust me, all you young idealists who think you are making history, McCain and the Right will have Obama for lunch when they say that "Obama believes all those soldiers died in vain." Americans will not like that and it will resonate whether intellectually honest or not. People will not accept the idea of troops dying in vain...look how long we were in Vietnam despite that war's unpopularity.

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Kurt, Paris, TN — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:42:51 GMT

I appreciate the tenor of this discussion. I am an Obama supporter, but I was pleased with the performance of both candidates last night. I have not changed my vote.

Hillary has one issue to which she should give a satisfactory answer if she wants my support and that of people like me. (And there are many of us.)

That is:
Why should this country re-elect members of the same family to the oval office?

I do not believe nepotism is ever justified, and yet both major political parties regularly select candidates not be opportunity based on merit and not because of marriage or birth, and not just for the office of president. (George W. Bush and Jeb Bush, Bob Casey, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, Lincoln Chafee, the Kennedys) I realize that many of these candidates have merit and have been dedicated public sevants.
But when the same group of people to capitalize and consolodate power, it is referred to as an OLIGARCHY. Thus, I feel that it is an abuse of power and position, and it is wholly un-American.

What of the choice of the American people? We have been served up the same platter of unappetizing choices and force-fed for the last 30 years. I believe that Obama's support comes largely from a desire to break with this system. There are many qualified, intelligent, well-spoken citizens (teachers and professors, doctors and lawyers and journalists, businessmen and women, union workers and organizers, clergymen and women) in this country who could take on public service, and would if the system would allow it.

If you don't see a problem with the system, ask yourself this question:

Could my son or daughter become a president, congressmen, or senator?

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Jim, OR — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:52:00 GMT

There is a split within the Democratic Party. It's between those who understand The Dream and those who cannot. Obviously, Hillary never understood The Dream because those of us in the early '60's who did were not working for Barry Goldwater in 1964 as Hill was. Just another example of her lack of good judgment. One of the reasons that Democrats lose is that they have one campaign for the nomination trying to capture the liberal base and then attempt to swing to the middle in the general election. Obama is showing us the way to victory is to start winning the hearts and minds of independents and thinking Repubs from the beginning. That may offend some of the Hillary supporters who enjoy bashing the other side, but come November it will prove to be the way to not only capture the White House but to actually govern this country.

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Mary, Sterling Heights, Michigan — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:56:53 GMT

I feel it is time for a woman to have the chance at running our country. We have already tried men... I think it is great that in our life time we the people get the chance to change the way our government looks. But will it really change the way our government runs. So let's really change our government and give a woman a chance.

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Mark, North Carolina — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:01:13 GMT

I agree with Brian above. I'm a registered independent and have been voting since the 70's, and am also a Barack supporter. I like his potential - the rare combination of Harvard Law smarts and straight-talk oratory. The color of his skin is a non-issue for me. But if he is not on the ballot, I'll vote for McCain before I vote for Hillary. Voted for Bush last time around, and generally lean Republican, but this Obama momentum has caught me up.

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Gale Lawton, San Diego, CA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:02:06 GMT

John...Please don't tell me that you fell for those lies about Obama. Personally I would vote for a Muslim if he or she was the best candidate...However I've got my fingers crossed that you aren't believing the lies and reading those crazy "Hussein" emails. If you do believe that crap you probably voted for Bush feeling that he was going to make you safer. I'm so sick and tired of the spinning, rhetoric, and catch phrases the GOP and hate mongers get away with!

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--NSMsnbc — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:03:24 GMT

"If you notice her health-care plan is a universal health-care plan like Sen. Edwards'."

The word 'universal' is overhyped ... like calling something P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act--I'm sure there are better examples, but I can't think on the fly. Bottom line, critics of Obama claim that his plan leaves 15 million uninsured, but why does nobody ask how Clinton's plan forces 15 million people to buy health insurance at rates they can't afford.

I will tell outright that the Democratic plans carry to guarantee of reducing healthcare costs, so I don't understand why everybody's so eager to jump aboard. See: housing market. There is certainly a chance they could be successful, but not a guarantee. If people could afford healthcare today, they would, and if people can afford healthcare tomorrow, they will. Obama’s plan makes more sense, because it doesn’t involve jumping in a random pit too dark to see if there is something soft or spikes at the bottom. Think about it.

Clinton's plan gives the control to the insurance companies, could one imagine anything better for them than having everybody mandated to buy their product. Damn!

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Svanbasten, Atlanata, GA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:05:08 GMT

In watching the debate last night I have to say they both behaved well and right for the Hollywood setting. The Democratic Party am sure is very happy with their performance.

BUT in all that ACTING seasoned citizens could filter and see through them. OBAMA was very statemanlike and came across as very confident and sharp on his feet with great bounce back's like the one on Romney not being able to manage his campaign right and his ROI is way out of whack.

CLINTON on the other hand is a seasoned debator and did well too and gave her best side..

It was not a fight won on a knock out or by a unanimous decision - it was a 12 round bout won on a split decision all for OBAMA.

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Nutsugah, Atlanta, GA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:05:23 GMT

Check your sources, John. Obama is not a Muslim. It is helpful to speak AFTER you know what you are talking about, it helps you not seem like an idiot.

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Mary, Sterling Heights, Michigan — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:09:27 GMT

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justthinkinoutloud — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:10:14 GMT

I support Obama in this contest for the nomination, but will vote for either one of them in the general election. That being said, I just wish HRC would stop with this 35yrs experience stuff.Just because you are a passenger on a plane, doesn't make you a pilot. They are both great candidates, but I think Obama would be the best person to unite this country, to reach out across party lines, and to bring peace to the entire world. His story is truly inspirational.

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htp,Wa — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:10:34 GMT

The only thing Orack brags about is his vote for Iraq War but don't you think that "OBLIVIOUS" sometimes works?
As he said on one of the debate to his serogates that " Don't hand me any notes 2 minutes before his speech because he'll lose it...". So he must lost all the misleading reports from the Bush/CIA about Saddam Hussein Mass Destruction so therefore he voted NO??? It's safe to say NO first about any wars.

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gloria — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:12:11 GMT

The nation saw last night that Hillary was better suited for the presidency no matter what MSNBC commentators may say. MsNBC commentators are willing to create news rather than report news.

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gloria — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:12:44 GMT

The nation saw last night that Hillary was better suited for the presidency no matter what MSNBC commentators may say. MsNBC commentators are willing to create news rather than report news.

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deb, chiang mai, thailand — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:14:52 GMT

Actually, Brian has articulated exactly what I have been feeling...only I am a Republican, not an Independent. I am voting for, cheering for Obama this time around. ( and by the way, I am old and white)Hillary would send me running with open arms to McCain. Romney Clinton would make me stay home. YIKES. I wonder how many others of us are out there.

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dogshowkris — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:18:11 GMT

Obama and Romney would be a great match up and something to vote for in November. It would give us a fresh choice and free us from the chains of the past. The most voters would come out to vote across the board and energize the Nation. The old guard wouldn't like it and be so surprised we voters are as smart as I know we are. Don't let the "old guard" take your choice away. Vote for Obama and Mitt and let them know who is running things.

dogshowkris
Rancho Murieta, CA

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Carly, first-in-the-nation Iowa — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:18:35 GMT

Jaycee, I'm impressed and moved by your impassioned discussion of the dream of a new generation and the ways an old dream can be sacrificed in favor of a new, more important dream (and need) for our country.

Although I still believe there is a need for a woman to hold office in the White House, I agree with the question that some people pose: Is this really the right woman? And I think the answer is no.

When I was younger and more naïve, I couldn’t help but think that were there a woman in the White House things would be better—perhaps there would be more compassion and more peace.

I know that Hillary is a passionate woman and that she’s been an advocate for important democratic ideals, but I think Elizabeth’s points above are inescapable:

Over the last few weeks, Hillary has let her drive and ruthless ambition get the best of her passion. Both she and her husband have disappointed and disgusted me, and when she insisted she would seat the Michigan and Florida delegates after the Florida non-primary I found myself in tears, worried I might someday have to vote for this win-at-all-costs cheater who (along with her husband) is willing to sacrifice the ideals we hold so dearly (integrity, honesty, the idea that we are not merely the color of our skin…).

When former President Clinton compared Barack’s potential win in South Carolina to Jesse Jackson’s win, my jaw dropped. Clinton was demonstrating the kind of destructive selfishness that he evidenced with the Lewinsky affair, and he has not changed—although this time his selfishness has the guise of helping his wife instead of devastating her, he has proven that to the Clinton’s the ends justify the means, no matter who they hurt in the process. Unfortunately for us, we are the ones who risk the enduring pain such backwards divisiveness will bring.

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CONFUSE-LATINO-BOY chicago il — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:18:51 GMT

Independent Voter, and all those who are saying they dont want to go back to Clinton's time... I find it very unrealistic... how can you go back to the 90's? can you explain it? from where did you get that idea? it is really yours or did you got it from some white media men?

can you tell me, what was the big crime? what was the big mistake that Bill said or did that cost someone to die? what was the big mistake that made the USA to loose credibility or the respect internationally?
what exactly was the sin of Bill or Hillary that affect your economy or security and safety for you or your family?
are you sure you dont want togo back or are you just one of those women who are so machism oriented that they cannot accept that another women has the power, teh credibility and courage to become president?

WHAT IS THE REAL MOTIVE BEHIND YOUR COMMENT? AREYOU REALLY AWARE OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

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CONFUSE-LATINO-BOY chicago il — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:21:46 GMT

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Mardie, New York, NY — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:27:57 GMT

As part of the Gen-Y crowd (I'm a 27-year-old female), I have to say that I'm just so incredibly proud to have these two candidates to choose between! What a pleasure to actually get to decide between two intelligent, thoughtful, bright-eyed politicians instead of the usual "lesser of two evils" game. Last night's debate made me proud to be a Democrat, and while I still strongly support Hillary, I'm pleased to say that Obama won me over for the first time last night. If he were to get the nomination, I'll be thrilled to support him all the way to the White House. BUT - I still think that Hillary's the better choice in this particular election. She's unbelievably quick with facts and genuinely has the country's best interests at heart - which I think will be a significant strength against the GOP nom in the presidential debates. I'm not sure why people are so quick to say that Obama is the only candidate that would be a "change" - before he was a significant contender, the idea of a female president was the most novel idea in American history. Just because she took her husband's last name doesn't mean she's not her own person with her own ideas. I think she's proven herself as more than capable of making her own decisions.

And speaking of decisions... I think it's important to remember that in 2002 when she voted in favor of sending an investigation team to the Middle East, we lived in a country that had just been attacked, when Americans were scared to get their mail for fear of anthrax, and when we had absolutely no idea what the terrorists were planning. I think she made an intelligent decision that unfortunately, thanks to Bush's gross mismanagement, has worked against her in this election - but for all of the wrong reasons. She obviously opposes the war, and has made it perfectly clear that had she been president at the time, this whole conflict would have been nipped in the bud at the beginning. It's a shame that people can't take the political climate of 2002 into consideration.

Either way - how fantastic to have a win-win situation for the Democrats!

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Anne Egbuchulam, Woodmere, New York — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:31:27 GMT

Hillary Clinton is clearly the winner in last night's debate. She is seasoned, she is baked, she is well done, and she is ready to go. A vote for Mrs. Clinton is a vote for progress. We don't need another 4 years of uncertainty. She can get the job done and done right, period. Whenever we go for important positions in any established, our experirence(s)gets us closer to the door. We want to hire for the most important job on earth, The office of The President of The United States of America, and we don't think experince is important?. Give me a break. The office of the President is not an entry level position. The ecomony, Our children's education, healthcare, safety, jobs, and a host of other social issues are at stake. We cannot afford to go by the slogan "change". Change can occur from bad to worse.

After 9/11 Americans were so outraged on the assault on American soil that claimed thousands of innocent lives, jobs, and billions of dollars in reckage. Most Americans wanted something done if that meant war. We were so angry, so enraged. We applauded when the congress voted to go to war. Americans wanted something done, remember?. Okay, the war didn't turn out well. It is lasting longer than expected. we are losing our young men and women in record numbers and crippling the country's economy. To blame Mrs. Clinton for voting for the war when most Americans felt same is absolute nonesence.

She voted because she is a true American. She was angry like millions of Americans, she was concerned like millions of Americans, she was scared like millions of Americans, and she was uncertain like millions of Americans. If this can happen right in our backyard, what next?. Yesterday is gone but not forgotten. It will make for better tomorrow. Vote Hillary Clinton for President.

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Chad — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:38:09 GMT

Jaycee... thank you!!!!! Your comment truly spoke to me!
I am a 30 year old that will be making my first vote ever. It is not due to lack of responsibility, but due to lack of having someone inspire me. For the first time - I find myself going home to watch everything going on with the election and reading about the candidates opinions on issues. I say this because I think I am one of the millions that will show up ready to change the role we play as a united America. It is time! The younger generations have sat on the sidelines to long!

My opinion is that in order to have a 100% change, we have to have a 100% change in the president - and I don't see that with a "Clinton". Again... just my opinion.

Jaycee... I thank you again!

Take care

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Ann, Hohenwald, Tn — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:47:20 GMT

The debate last night was really good. Hillary was excellent and Obama finally gave us some substance, but not enough for us to vote for him. He still needs some experience, which he doesn't have.

GO HILLARY

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Meg, Toronto — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:53:00 GMT

I liked the last night debate, as they both were very civilized. Hilary exhibited immense depth of knowledge, strength, courage, and heart. Obama always very good. However, he failed to portray an impage of know-how and brilliance that I seek in a person who will be the commender-in-chief.
I read with the interests comments by a few of you raised in 60s - I was not born then. As a higly educated professional, I truly find it illogical to dump Bill Clinton's fault on Hilary, and perceiving this presidencey as the 3rd Bill Clinton administrations:
(I) Hillary is a smart woman. She is not a subject of manipulation. It is time to recognize the beauty of the brain of many intelligent woman. I guess that the assumption of the 3rd Clinton, rather than 1st Hilary, enhances this mis-assumption.

(II) Historically, Hilary has been much more progressive and policy wonk than Bill. Indeed, many of the good actions by Bill Clinton's administration was most likely inspired by her (and not much vice versa as we see him on the train). BUT, she should not be undermined because of him. She deserves better than that.

(III) I think we should ask our self who is better for the US? In this rapidly changing economical market, the answer is Hillary. Despite Baraks' appeal and his relative youth, Hillary on every ground (that really matters to daily life of citizens) surpass him. By the way, I do not find Barak Obama young - he is about a decade older than I am. I find kind amusing to call a baby boomer such as Barak, a youth :) (No offense was intended to all of those who are young at heart).

(IV) I have always had strong anti-war opinion. I do not justify Hillary's decision, but I am not sure if Barak was in the senate, he would have voted differently, as illustrated in some of his later speeches (please listen to them). All of us make mistakes, unfortunately, as women on top jobs, in a widely not very objective media, she can not effort to simply say that it was a mistake. Mistakes are relative - they are time -dependent, ... If you listen to her speech in the US senate, it was quite clear that she voted to "potential" military implications. THere is a HUGE difference between a potential and an action. I think that we are hitting on her illogically.

(IV) THe US democrates have the opportunity to vote for the best candidate.
Have a nice day

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Darrius, Arkansas — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:55:49 GMT

Democrats have to stick with what we have been winning with. Opposing the war in Iraq is how the Democrats won the House and how Democrats won the Senate. Hillary is unable to divorce herself from the war. Obama allows us to remain clearly against the Iraq war.

Democrats are missing the importance of the Hillary's vote for the war. Obama talked about it last night, but I don't think Democrats have considered the impact that Hillary's vote for the war will have on the general election should she win the nomination.

Republicans are not going to attack as softly as Obama does. The Republican are not on her team. They are going to attack Hillary and her vote with all the normal attacks.

-----They'll say that she is a cut-and-run liberal, and

-----They'll say that she is soft on defense, and

-----They'll say that she doesn't have the stomach to see wars through to the end, and

-----They will say that she flip-flops on issues.

When they and their supporters make these charges against her over the war, Democrats and their supporters (myself included) will have to defend her. It is important to note that they would make the same accusations (with the exception of the flip-flop label) against Obama should he be nominated.

The problem with Hillary is that her position is weak. Most democrats, and democratic radio hosts, and democratic pundits, were all against the war. And the only defense we have to use on her behalf is that long, convoluted answer she gave last night. And that answer just doesn't hold water. As everybody who saw the debate last night knows, she just doesn't have the facts to win that debate.

If the Democrats nominate Hillary, then they (we) lose the ability to effectively argue against the war. As we saw last night, Hillary is married to the war and nominating her will marry the Democrats to the war. The Republicans will have forced the Iraq war down Democrats throat and then stuck us with the responsibility for it in the election.

If Democrats don't want to bear the responsibility of the war but instead want to argue against the war, then we have no choice but to nominate Barak Obama. As Obama himself said, he can and will make a clear contrast. Without any hitches or doubts to his position, he will focus the party against the war. To the eyes of an undecided independent voter the responsibility for the war will lie squarely with the the Republicans.

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Fred C Dobbs, Sierra Madre, N.M. — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:58:26 GMT

Amazing the Ted Kennedy's name came up twice.
Amazing at the coverage that MSNBC gave to the endorsement of a person still trading on the names of his dead brothers.

Many of us are still old enough to remember how a drunk Ted Kennedy left Mary Jo Kopechne to drown while not reporting the incident to the police for 10 hours. His family money got him off with two months probation. As jokster Keith would like to say, Ted Kennedy - Worst Person In The World!

It is still the economy and health care for many people and on that basis, Hillary Clinton will win the nomination. I am not ready to roll the dice on Senator Obama, I just don't believe that he is electable.

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Nashville_fan — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:04:01 GMT

I'm trying to figure out why no one is commenting on the fact that Senator Clinton has still not explained what the penalty will be for those who do not obtain health insurance once it is mandated. That is a big question.

Also, is the beaurocracy associated with keeping up with who has paid for insurance and who hasn't a justifiable cost?

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Sushil Thapa,Winchester,VA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:04:22 GMT

In my judgement senator Clinton has all qualities to become the president.In last night's debate as always she excelled exhibiting confidence, knowledge, substance,clarity and will power.Mr Obama might be the the newest poster boy in the US politics but it is unfair to marginalise Ms Clinton who has worked herself to the top through sheer dedication and commitment.The criticism labelled against her that she is polarising and divisive are simply rhetorics spewed by her opponents and critics. In addition the charge that she is and will be under the shadow her husband is absurd. Surely a man of President Clinton stature at her disposal is an asset to her politically. In all fairness her vision and political undertakings all these years makes her a viable candidate for the presidency.The notion many in this country carry that the US is not ready for a woman president is laughable and difficult to digest.

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Wisemen — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:10:40 GMT

I would love to see Hillary and Obama on the Clinton-Obama ticket , it is the nice chemistry.Obama can learn the rope and be ready 8 years from now. By then he will have enough experience to run the whitehouse.

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Pacheck, Huntington Beach, Ca. — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:40:23 GMT

I hate to say it but Obama seems to have a better agenda in a couple of key areas. Iraq needs to be ended and one year seems right. Immigration needs a firm/fair yet humanistic policy. Healthcare is an issue that Hillary knows better and her plan sounded better. Ergo; Obama Pres / Clinton V.P. sounds like the ticket to me. I could picture Biden as Secretary of State and Kucinich in Homeland Security. I better wake-up, McCain and the bushies are like roaches.

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Jim, London, England — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:54:01 GMT

Elizabeth. I thought your comments regarding Hillary were extremely insightful. I have never doubted her basic competence (or eloquence)but too often she has blown with the wind on crucial issues like Iraq. This leaves me with the unmistakeable impression that Hillary wants power too much for its own sake (rather than to use it for good) and lacks the core instinctive values of a truly great leader. Watching Obama is a welcome reminder that such leaders (although exceptionally rare) do still come along from time to time. Watching Obama reminds me of Bobby Kennedy and this is the highest praise I could bestow on any politician.

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MAC, STL, MO. — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:03:48 GMT

John - it is unfortunate that you and others are "staying with" the false information re Obama being a Muslim - but apparently you are, as an aside - so what if he were? As to the Clintons - trust & believe - they are sophisticated - have played in this game before - can take care of themselves - and more important - they truly have their "own" issues!!!

On a more positive note, I agree as a baby boomer - that are days have been long and whatever - now it is time for the next generation to take all of us to a higher place!!!!!

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John Doe, Cambridge, MA — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:04:57 GMT

Why can't Obama be patient and humble? He has the right makeup for a next generation leader. He has much to learn. He has to understand that pretty speeches are not enough to save lives. He should not negate what other democrats have done in the past 16 years in or outiside washington. I like him originally but was turned off when he started to label Hillary and others as "Washington insiders" and when he claims that people do not want to go back to 90s. The hypocracy turns people off! Is Obama a "Washington Insider"? He's working in Washington! Is Ted Kennedy a "Washington Insider"? Obama can not wait to jump around with Ted's endorsement! Is he really that smart about voting agaist the war? I don't give that claims $2! It's easier to say you opposed the war now. Anyway, I hope he grow up and be ready to lead 8 years later. A lot of those "Transformational politics" are simply load of hot air! If a terrific stump speech can enroll one person in health care, if it can drop the gas price by $1, if it can prevent one family from foreclosure, then you can talk all you want. If not, please be humble and try to learn solve the problems!

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Union Baby, Tennessee — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:16:08 GMT

First read - come clean, you really are on Obama's payroll aren't you? If you are not it is time to be fair and unbiased unless you really are owned by fox (then we know why you are unfair and biased). So, fess up, inquiring minds want to know.

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Class warrior, D.C. — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:20:22 GMT

The Vietnam---I'm sorry, the Iraq---question did it for me. Hillary can talk the talk, but she voted the vote. I agree with Jaycee that Obama's got the youth vote on his side for good reason, and Billary's got too much baggage for the Republican Swiftboat Machine to get into. I thought Bill was a great president, but he's acted like a bully and a jerk in this campaign. Sorry, Hil, the dynastic duo must end.

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--NSMsnbc — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:27:11 GMT

"Hope is just a soundbite that seems to enthrall most of you."
--HMT-MI, that seems kind of depressing to me. Life is hopeless, vote Hillary?
--Turn the page, Vote for a Better Tomorrow, Vote-bama!

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Vince Madison NJ — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:47:10 GMT

"Senator Obama proved that he is not just a "speechmaker", but a policy maker as well. He is truly the total package, and I was very proud of his performance last night.

Senator Clinton also had an excellent debate. I think the problem I continue to have with "the Clintons" is how easily they can morph from elegant statespeople into political hacks. When they are in their best form, they have no equal. Sadly, the same can be said when they are at their worst, as we learned in Nevada and New Hampshire."

I couldn't agree more, last night was the first debate where neither candiate outshined the other...nor did either canidate do poorly...

I agree with that post, in that Hillary is a very good canidate...my main concern isn't so much with her message...its the messanger per se...Here is what I mean; as Bill said in NH, there really isn't much difference in their policy proposals...to me it is simply the political reality that the right HATES Hillary, I do not think it is fair by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not so naive as to ignore its impact...
If McCain is the Nominee he WILL take some independants...but, in NH, where he campaigned all year he took somewhere around 38% of the Independants to Baracks 43% (Hillary and John split the remainder)...

But, the main difference then becomes who has a more energized base...if Barack is the nominee, Republicans won't turn out they way they will need to...you have heard them say it..."Republicans who don't like McCain and are threatening to sit out this election, will show up not to vote for McCain...but to vote against Clinton" Has anyone heard them attack Obama? Not really, in fact at the NH debate both Romney and Huckabee praised him (said something along the lines of "republicans better wake up, and give him credit.") as did McCain...

That is why I'm voting for Obama...if the Democrats don't win in Nov. all of these debates over Hillary or Barack and Barack or Hillary are irrelevant, b/c Republicans will win...Don't get to onfident Dems, McCain is No Bush, if we chose to dismiss that idea, we do so at our own peril.

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mary — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:53:21 GMT

msnbc sucks .my ass is more balanced. then they are. bet this dont get printed

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melissa — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:15:42 GMT

Nashville Fan she has explained, just like Obama and Edwards she is offering Health Care Tax Credits.
Same as the guys, I also didn't see you question Edwards about his universal health care. And if you think really hard, when she ends the Iraqi war that will put 300,000,000 million a month back in to our budget. I even have heard Obama say this samething.

I live in Minnesota and I believe we have this countries best health care system here. We consintrate on preventive health care, we offer health care to everyone in the state who can not get it anywhere else. And if you are old enough you will remember she used Minnesota Health Care as an example,
we are still here and its still just as easy to get health care here as it was in the 90's.

Our Doctors are rated high, and our hospitals are outstanding. So with any hope everyone can have this
and I truely believe this is her major project next to stopping the war.

Oh yeah we are not fined. and Ithink this is similar to what she wants and I am all for it.

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Jake jakeson seattle washington — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:13:19 GMT

I am I the only one that can see that Hilary Clinton has to keep putting Obama down to make herself look good?

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Jake jakeson seattle washington — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:13:22 GMT

I am I the only one that can see that Hilary Clinton has to keep putting Obama down to make herself look good?

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Lisa, Hollywood, CA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:34:26 GMT

Who is the Best, Right, Good, and Qualified presidential candidate to be the next President? The Answer: The candidate that God (The Creator of Heaven and Earth) has chosen, and will choose, elect, and put into office in November and for the next four years or 8 years (He willing); via every voters vote (including yours and mine). So, no matter what negative things you or others may say or do to hurt or stop a candidate from winning, I Promise or Guarantee you, that God's chosen candidate WILL win, whether Clinton or Obama; or whether you or I like it or not. I'm for whoever God chooses through me and others. Amen!