http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspxFrom NBC's Ken StricklandAre we beginning to see the contours of a possible Clinton-McCain presidential race? In remarks today, Sen. John McCain (R) said the Clinton Administration's policy on North Korea "was a failure," calling it a "carrots and noen-USCommunityServer 2.0 (Build: 60608.1)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6350Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:23:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6350Ron Kroll, Salt Lake City, UtahBravo, Senator McCain. I agree that we need a large military presence. Sound like he supports re-instating the draft. As a retired service man, I believe that the draft is inevitable, despite the fact that it is a political hot potato.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6351Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:26:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6351J B, Austin TexasWhat's a "failed Policy" is the name calling and threatening actions of this administration. When will these people stop acting like kids on a playground refusing to play well with others and start acting like adults and talking with those who we have problems with. I remember growing up that violence doesn't solve anything! Granted talking sometimes doesn't get the results we like, but at least we could say we tried (with this administration). Bush was at it from the beginning of his first term. All these guys care about is WAR! Why else would McCain ask for more reserves? Because without them we can't fight Iraq, Iran, and North Korea at the same time!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6356Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:40:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6356karl h. weiss, pardeeville, wi McCain is a bushwiener. NO, republi-cons allowed. NONE, zero got it........http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6357Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:42:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6357Ryan, MelbourneThe carrots Mr. McCain is talking about involved the North Koreans being made to contain radioactive fuel rods under lock and key, with the monitoring of UN weapons inspectors. We knew where this dangerous material was, and if we needed to they could be taken out by the military, as dangerous as this would be, Clinton was prepared to do this. Yet in 2002, just after Bush proclaimed North Korea as part of the 'axis of evil', the North Koreans threw out the weapons inspectors, fired up its nuclear facilities, and began work making weapons grade plutonium. The Bush admin stood by and did nothing. No threats to wage war, no pursuit of solid diplomacy. Low and behold, 4 years later, we have a nuclear test. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6365Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:56:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6365hugh vines,chattanooga,tennesseesounds like he wants a drafthttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6366Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:56:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6366Wayne, Dallas TexasI really used to like and respect John McCain, but I find myself more and more seeing him as a shadow of President Bush. His failure to not only stop the torture legislation, but to also agree with most of it, and now his direct assault on the Clinton's is odd and bothersome to me. It's been 8 years since Clinton was in office. How much time has to pass before blame begins to be assigned where it belongs? 8 years people! That's a lifetime to many... and plenty long for the current administration to have done something besides call North Korea names.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6367Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:03:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6367Mike Wilson, Detroit MIBill Clinton said on the Daily Show that McCain's biggest mistake was not standing up to the Bush smear campaign that targeted him during the 2000 primary. I lost a lot of respect for McCain when instead, he kissed up to Bush after the 2000 election. Hillary will hit him hard and often over this, and I think it will resonate. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6371Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:13:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6371Tom, San DiegoWhat secret is McCain talking about? In 2002, two years into Bush's presidency, North Korea expelled IAEA nuclear inspectors from its country, and said it would start producing weapons grade plutonium. What did Bush and McCain do over the past four years? They invaded Iraq in 2003! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6375Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:20:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6375Mark, Springfield Illinois"Failed policy"???? I guess McCain things that Bush's Iraq policy is working???http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6376Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:25:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6376SGM Larry A. Myers, U.S. Army Retired, Tallahassee, floridaI am sorely disappointed in Senator McCain. I would ask you Senator exactly what has Mr. Bush done to deal with this situation in the past 5 years. Better yet what have you done? Thanks to the policies of this administration our military has become another hollow Vietnam era force leaving us very few options and Mr. McCain has followed Mr. Bush like another lapdog.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6377Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:25:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6377Lee SteeleMcCain had the upper hand when he let the deserter smear him in 2000- that was disgraceful. Then he stands up against torture and I start to like him again, then he lets President Nero get away with a no-torture pledge, as long as it's President Nero deciding what is torture. And NONE of them stand up to say: "Mr. Curse of a President, you do not have the power to make an American citizen stateless and denied all Constitutional rights on your say-so, alone." But you know what - he can, and this disgrace extends to every American who ever swore an oath to protect the Constitution of the United States of America, myself included. Welcome the New American Facsism.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6379Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:34:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6379Seriously Im Just AskingSo, McCain thinks it was a great idea for Bush to give North Korea $92 million in 2002 without performing the nuclear inpection required by the framework agreement? Not so much.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6380Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:37:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6380J.R. San Diego, CAWhat really happened to our press? All the press and media seem to be capable of doing lately are to report propoganda, falsehoods, and threats from the Administration and its followers like John McCain. There was a time when the press and media put things in context so that the readers could reach obvious and clear conclusions about the reporting. Now, any politician can say whatever he or she wants and the media reports it as "fact" rather than the disengeneous views of a Senator (McCain) who increasingly looks like the second coming of George W. Bush. With views like these, McCain has lost whatever credibility he had as a straight-shooter and "maverick". He is now in the same boat of credibility as the President, Vice President,Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense. How has he (McCain) been different from the President? The press and media is still in love with McCain even though, time after time, McCain has sided with the Administration and the President. Isn't there any journalist/media types that could hi-light the hypocracies of John McCain and report the vast similarities of him with the President? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6383Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:46:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6383Robert Stelling, Chandler, AZWhat can we expect next? I know. How about a nuclear war over there instead of a nuclear war over here. Of course the Koreans both North and South would suffer but,. . . http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6385Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:47:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6385Leslie, VirginiaI also used to respect McCain until he folded under Bush in 2000 (how much better our country might be if he'd been in the White House)and am truly sickened by his kissing up to Bush now just to be president!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6387Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:50:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6387Terry Fife, MDI think ineptitude and the lack of wisdom characterize the Bush Administration. That McCain is now taking up the partisan attack game is disappointing. There was a time I would have volunteered to help him get elected but now I view him as a fop, a fawning politico and not the independent-minded man of courage I once considered him. Let's find someone who loves country more than self and political party and who does the right thing even if it means sacrifice. I never thought I would sway toward Hillary but she looks more presidential every day.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6388Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:50:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6388jill, PhiladelphiaI have no respect for McCain now that he has surrendered to the Bush "torture" compromise, and suspending Habeas Corpus. Habeas Corpus require that the government demonstrate it is holding detainees lawfully. McCain wants to have it both ways - acting like an independant, all the while following the party line. This gives me the impression that he is 'faking' it.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6390Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:51:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6390Brad Branson MOMcCain has lost every bit of credibility he ever had. He has no backbone. He bent over for Bush and said "thank you" afterwards. I used to like McCain, and would never discount his time in Vietnam, but he allowed the attacks, and seemed at times to like the abuse from Bush and the rest of the morally impaired. Clinton's policy worked better than any policy dumbass Bush has ever introduced. Maybe the Republican Porn Comittee who were so interested in Clinton's sex life, should have focused on the real world rather than what Clinton did... Atleast Clinton cheated with woman old enough to vote, and not some little boy like Foley. IF the republicans would have focused on the real world and not a witch hunt against Clinton, the world would be better off. IF dumbass would have actually known where Korea was (remember the first Bush election?)and what the history and and psychological makeup of Kim Jong Il, he would have realized that you do not make sharp moves against a lunatic that has a gun to your head. IF dumbass had actually TALKED to N Korea DIRECTLY, he would realize that Kim Jong Il's only concern was REGIME SURVIVAL. SAME applies to Iran. McCain should shut up, go home and hold his head in shame.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6391Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:55:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6391rcI agree with JB in Austin. I liked McCain when he was running AGAINST Bush. But after the SC primary, for some reason, he became an apologist for the Bush administration. Personally, I think there was a deal that he'd shut up in return for clear sailing in 2008. It doesn't matter...any Democrat will be elected president in 2008 and if he (or she) isn't, this country will continue sliding into the abyss.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6392Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:58:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6392BrianIf McCain is foolish enough to think that tough empty talk will solve the problems we face today he is even more out of touch then I thought. And as for a draft I am all for it because the soccer moms across the country will end the war tomorrow.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6393Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:02:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6393Rico Dewaer, Brooklyn NYEnough of Mc Cain and hillary- they are only jockeying for 2008. As for NOW, TODAY- send Jim Baker and Gov richardson to speak w/ the North Koreans, along w/ Japan, China, South Korea. We are not the key player here- China is. China has the direct link to Kim Jong Il, not Bush or any US politican. We need direct talks..this namby-pamy footsie diplomacy has to cease..NOW. Devise an apporiate tough response to Kim Jong Il and make it stick.Heck- the man can build a nuke, a 1 million man Army but cannot feed the people of his country? Tough times mena tough talks..no more diplomatic fodderall..go for the jugglar!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6394Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:04:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6394Bob, Boston, MA.McCain is taking a page out of the Bush-Rove playbook which is essentially, when you screw up blame the other guy. (You know it's the Democrats responsible for the Foley scandal, and I'm sure somewhere the Democrats caused Hurricane Katrina just to make Bush look bad!) We have had Bush for 6 very long years and this Korean neucular(!) test came during his watch, not Clinton's. I was no fan of Clinton, but Bush's incompence is simply staggering. He simply cannot chew gum (Afghanistan) and walk (Iraq, Korea) at the same time. How many decades will it take to repair the damage to foreign policy that has been visited on nearly every continent? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6396Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:08:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6396StephGThe Republicans have had the House, the Senate and the presidency, and most of the Supreme court for six years now, which is nearly complete control of the aparatus of the government, and they're blaming the Clinton administration? And during the Clinton administration, they still had the House and the Senate. Are they claiming that while the completely Republican controlled Congress and Administration was in office, their hands were tied for the last 6 years by policies of a president long out of office? How gullible do the Republicans really think the American people are? Wasn't it a Republican who said, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6397Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:10:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6397Jim Frego, Grants Pass, ORHe failed to metion that Bush gave $95 Million to N. Korea in 2002. Long after Clinton was out of the picture. What was the $95 Million restricted to be used for? NO RESTRICTIONS! What was it used for? ENRICHMENT?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6398Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:10:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6398Michael Korda, Menlo Park, CAI used to think McCain was a "different" kind of politician, a statesman even. Now, with his rolling over for Bush on the detainee legislation and his blind allegiance to party over principal, he is merely another voice in the wilderness. Way to go John-have fun with your Bush buddies and kiss the moderate vote good-bye. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6399Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:12:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6399Jim Frego, Grants Pass, OROn 19 March 2002, Bush declined to certify to Congress that North Korea was upholding the "Agreed Framework", although he offered no evidence that the agreement had been violated. On 22 March 2002, North Korea repeated its threat, but with a new twist: A high-level delegation from North Korea had visited Russia and asked Russia to build a nuclear power station in North Korea. Bush then decided to release US $95 million to KEDO, apparently for heavy fuel oil for North Korea, although this was not specified in the official White House memorandum. Normally this money would only be released on three conditions: implementation of the Joint Declaration on Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, North Korea complying fully with the Agreed Framework, and progress in eliminating the North Korean ballistic missile threat. Bush did not certify that these conditions were met. Instead, he waived the conditions, determining that it was "vital to the national security interests of the United States" that the money was released. http://www10.antenna.nl/wise/index.html?http://www10.antenna.nl/wise/566/5390.html http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6400Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:13:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6400Rikki Nadir, Alexandria, VASo much for the "maverick" McCain. He is easily the most overrated politician in recent memory (Bush is so terrible that his particular brand of ineptitude defies calibration of any sort...). He has proved to be dare I say, a true coward since the Boy Blunder smeared him on the way to the White House. He only goes against the administration when it is safe to do so, i.e. when the votes for legislation are clear cut and the outcome is assured. Then, and only then, is he free to don the "maverick" mask. Typical GOP hypocrite.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6402Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:18:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6402Sleeplessif he wants the draft watch out because if we don't fallow the geniva convention be ready our enenys whant either can blame them can you? well how long do we have to train them? big talk and nothing behind it. If he stood up more to bush maybe I could respect him but he change is position as many times as bush his under wearhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6404Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:22:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6404!I think Gov. Richardson is the most, if not the only, trusted American in N. Korea. If BushCo isn't leaning on the panic button to get Richardson online, then once again, "diplomacy" is merely a word spit out for public consumption. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6407Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:25:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6407Ed, Fall Creek,Wi.How does Wayne- Dallas count, I make it 6 years ago for Clinton. Can't count or think either I guess.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6408Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:27:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6408Barry, Tucson, AZLike the others on this page, I used to respect McCain, but have felt very dissapointed in the last 6 years. he seems to be more interested in getting the Republican party apparatus behind him for an election bid, than to speak the truth, and his own mind. He seems to be more than willing to sell out his principles, and hew to the Karl Rove mainifesto.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6409Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:28:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6409pianofanSame old, same old .... blame Clinton for everything. Hey McCain! How long has Bush been in office? When are you going to make Bush take responsibility for what happens on his watch?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6410Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:29:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6410Brandon Makoroff, Los Angeles, CaI used to like McCain until he backed down to Bush. He thinks that the terrorist policy that he helped(???) form will help. The problem is that he was able to give Bush everything that he wanted and thinks that he succeded in showing he was a maverik. He again has show how much he wants to be President. He says (like Bush has been telling us for the last 6 years and will probably be telling us for the next 2) that Clinton is to blame for the war in Iraq and now how it is Clintons fault that N. Korea has the A Bomb. Who was it the pulled the IAEA inspectors our and also who gave them 92 MILLION dollars. The answer is not Clinton but BUSH. Please Republicians take the responsibilty for all of the problems that you have created. The Democrates have not been in control for 6 years and we have had noting but LIES from our supponsed President. Please have the entire staff and the president resign so that maybe we can get some of the respect that we have lost since Bush has been in office.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6412Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:33:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6412mitch, Phoenix, AZWhen they re-institute the draft after the mid-terms, I hope the Bush girls are the first to get picked. Seems only fair to hold the draft without regard to status or gender. Once we get the children of our leaders in uniform, the mass insanity of this administration will stop. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6413Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:35:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6413LenBush, acting like the big baby he is, didn't want to continue Clinton's successful policy of engaging North Korea diplomatically simply because he doesn't like Clinton. Clinton considered making a military strike against North Korea, so McCain's allegation that Clinton used only "carrots" but no stick in dealing with the North Koreans is just plane false. McCain is just another lying politician. The real problem is the bullying tactics that pass for Bush diplomacy are all sticks but no carrots. And with the U.S. military in a severely degraded state thanks to Bush's Iraq fiasco, the "sticks" Bush uses to threaten other countries aren't as effective as they used to be.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6417Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:48:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6417Frank Filipo, Medford, NYAre we EVER going to reach a point where even brainless ideologues will tire of hearing about what Clinton did or didn't do? How long does Bush need to be in office, and how long do the Repubs need to be in complete control before they are held accountable for the mess in which we find ourselves.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6420Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:54:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6420Jennifer, Nashville, TNBush has been in office long enough to be held responsible for all current situations. Why do you insist we Americans are stupid? You in "power", take responsiblility and deal with it!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6423Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:06:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6423Olivia Elizabeth Burdon, Peoria, Ill.Re mitch, Phoenix--Unfortunately if the draft is reinstituted and the Bush girls were the first ones picked, Daddy would pull all the strings he could to keep them home--the way Bush himself ended up in the Texas Air National Guard...http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6426Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:15:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6426Rick, Lincon, NEThe number of individuals who are saying they used to think McCain was a maverick or a straight shooter but now can see that is not the case, just shows how easy it is to fool people. McCain has always been a two-faced, backstabbing, lying Republican. No more, no less.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6427Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:16:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6427John McGThese remarks were released in a written statement today to "compliment" a news conference McCain held in Michigan where he was expected to make the same points. The correct word is "complement" . . . Look it up http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6431Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:31:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6431Abel Trevino, San Antonio, TexasI had hoped McCain and Barak would start to bring integrity and wisdom back to politics. I can understand McCain having to embrace his political party in making up with Bush, but backtracking on the radical religious right and now attacking Clinton? He appears to be just another politician. Mr. Obama, we need you real bad. Please help.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6432Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:36:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6432Owen Vanders, Evansville, INMcCain should advocate reinstituting the draft, but only AFTER he secures the Repugnants nomination for "President." (Heard the Bushies want to change the title to King?) It would be the final nail in the coffin for the Repugs, hopefully enough to banish the neocons and American taliban for the next 100 years. The Demo's are not a whole lot better, but at least some appear to have some grasp of reality and at worst have some semblance of honesty and respect for the American people. I am sure there are some honest, moral and human (read: able to admit mistakes) Repugs, but they are hidden away in a back room somewhere, there tongues tied by our current regime. The family values party - !what a joke!! - where I come from honesty, integrity, modesty and love of our brothers and sisters are family values, and lying, greed, pigheadedness and deceit are for the 'morally inferior'.... I feel McCain knows what is right, but the taste of power has intoxicated him. We need 'sober' governance, not village idiots or any neo_____-ultra______-far_____-_____hawk - ____dove - corporate_____ or green______ . NO extremists !! We need to elect intellectuals from both flavors. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6437Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:47:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6437Benjamin Purser, Royal Oak, MISenator McCain, you lost me. Are you also falling for the Sean Hannity's blame Bill Clinton for George Bush's failure in office after almost six years. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6439Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:56:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6439Faye ThompsonIf The American people believes all this bull the republicans put out then we are headed down the road of no return. The American people must wake up and pay attention.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6443Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:06:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6443Ivory Williams, Dayton, OHRepublicans use the same mantra time & time again, every time they come up short in whatever areas, it time to "Wag the Dog" & in this case it always the same dog,it's President Bill Clinton's fault.Republicans have President Bush,II. who must have failed freshman English in the hallowed halls of Harvard because he cannot string a complete sentence or a comprehensive thought together.He gets a "F" in not being able to lead the Republic of America. How about some personal responsibilty on matters of the Iraq War, Diplomacy, being able to converse with other World Leaders. This is not Bill Clinton's term in office it's your time, "Stand and Deliver" Mr. President. Do not place blame on others for this is your moment in history. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6445Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:10:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6445Kate NJ Voorhees, NJI used to consider John McCain a statesman and an honorable man, but no longer. McCain, you lost all credibility when you rejoined the Bush camp. You have shown your true colors and I want no part of it. I will vote Democratic all the way. It's the only way to undo all the damage that the Republicans have done. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6450Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:22:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6450Jerald B; Tucson, AZGOP officals on Capitol Hill: Those of us in your party, who elect you, want you to accept responsibiity for your actions, or lack thereof. Just as we demand responsibility from our children, we demad it from you. If you cannot take the heat, get your tail out of the kitchen! We are growing weary of the bull faced baloney you deal out daily, your lack of spinal cord in standing up for the truth and your attempt to cover it all up. Same garbage others have done, you are now repeating. This is why democracy should be limited on how long a particular party stays in power....abuses and excesses galore! It is time to sweep out the old relics and get new, honest blood in the seats!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6456Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:33:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6456Otto,Harrisburg, PAIt is easy to throw stones and contempt at remarks like this one. Senator John McCain has many followers who will believe him on this unless we bring them in on it. As a start - How about Sen, Hillary Clinton making a strong public demand on Sen, McCain to explain himself one more time and proceeding to counter all his his points afterwards.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6460Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:54:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6460Michael Atlanta, GATo current administration disengaged from north korea altogeher which further isolated him. Seems to me that the current administration has succeeded only in make more enemies and making the enemies we previously had even bolder. I can't put fault on Clinton becuase were we not bogged down in Iraq and spread thin in Afghanistan then they would not be so bold right now. this is only an example of our failure in policy elsewhere and our enemies taking advantage of it.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6465Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:00:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6465Dan, Reno, NVI got a paper cut this morning, Must be Clinton's fault...http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6466Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:01:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6466Patrick R. Santa Ana, CA Shame on John McCain. Shame on Bush. Shame on the Republican House. Shame on the Republican Senate. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6471Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:35:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6471Lee Steele"How about Sen, Hillary Clinton making a strong public demand on Sen, McCain to explain himself one more time and proceeding to counter all his his points afterwards." That would smack of reasoned, thoughtful, public discussion and examination of the facts - what sort of a madman is posting here?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6490Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:02:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6490Bill Clinton, New YorkWake up People: -The Democrats in Congress are not living in the real world. You can't take away the tools needed to find Terrorists and intercept their Terrorist plots, if you really expect to defeat them. -You can't deal with Terrorists, they have one goal and that is to kill you, your family, your neighbors, and everyone else living in this country. -It takes more than 6 years to build a nuclear bomb, so Bill Clinton is fair game and responsible for not taking care of this back when they started developing the bomb (during his 8 years in office). -You can't make deals with lunatics and expect them to live up to the aggreements (that is just ludacris). -Slick Willy should stick to large panties and fat cigars (subjects he knows something about). -Hillary is evil pure evil. Heaven help us if she ever gets in the White House. I have no repect for her, she should have kicked Bill out when she had the chance. (I did not have sexual relations with that women) Yea right!!! -John Scarry is and idiot and can't make up his mind about anything. I have a plan!!! and tomorrow I'll have a different Plan!!!(flip-flop) -I too don't like McCain. He acts like a Democrat for 6 years, he comes to his senses and now claims to be a Republican. What is up with that? -Mark my words, George Bush will go down in history as one of the Greatest Presidents of our time!!!! -Sean Hannity is a great American!!!! -Finally there is a TV Network (FOX) willing to speak the truth and let the American public decide for themselves, instead of the brainwashing NBC, CBS & ABC like to do. -Love reign the Republican Party!!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6497Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:26:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6497Scott, Chicago, ILOh where oh where has my John McCain gone? What happened to the forward looking, positive John McCain who didn't bow to party pressure and play the politics of personal destruction? What happened to the guy who used to point the way instead of pointing fingers? Senator McCain, you started losing your authenticity of voice that made so many of us in the middle love you a while back...now I can barely hear you anymore...you're just another partisan talking head posturing for his base. So sad given that people like me in the middle used to be and wanted to be your base. You lost us Senator McCain...but more importantly, you've lost yourself.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6498Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:45:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6498Jose Pero, Buenos Aires, ArgentinaCuba exists....blame J.F.Kennedy for it. Iran....big threat...blame Jimmy Carter for it. Central America in flames....Jimmy's again. Were are all the Kerry's plans to fix the world. Is there any project presented by him about it? Ask Monica for Bill.... Democrats only wants to complaint about everything. They are the main factor of all the problems that we have inherited...Shout your mouthes please....the Americans are no idiots at all. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6499Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:49:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6499CucMcCain is a piece of toilet paper of Bush.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6501Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:01:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6501Brian, Sunnyvale, CAOkay, this isn't funny anymore--you can't screw up when you're dealing with "real" nuclear weapons. We can't wait for the media to wake up. We've got to get every single Repugnican out of office NOW--the election is less than 30 days away and we all have a duty to take our country back from those who have run us off into a ditch. Take away the keys!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6502Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:17:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6502Floyd EdwardsI use to have respect for McCain, but I lost it when he allowed the "Bush Machine" to degrade him and his family and then allow the same against John Kerry. McCain can't be trusted. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6503Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:25:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6503ROZ m, los angeles, ca..and, senator mccain, let us not forget that it was a company that rummy headed that sold important munition supplies to the north korea.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6504Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:26:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6504Mike SpeaseWhy are people pushing for Hillary? We all know that in the begining of the war both with Afganistan, and Iraq Hillary was on the republican side. Now she wishes to trash upon the republicans. I think the only reason she is running for President is to give her worthless husband Bill the chance at bankrupting the nation for a third or fourth time. Have people forgotten what a sorry excuse of a president he was? All the policies that worked while he was in office were instituted by his predicessors. Both Reagan and the other Bush. I say GO JOHN McCAIN. Lets get someone in office that has the brass to finish this war. We need a man that has enough to finish what we started. We do not need a facist female for president that flops to either side of the bed to suit her needs. Do we really want someone that was married to a dope smokin draft dodging piece of trash for our president. Democrats what are you really thinking?????????????? Even Lieberman would be a better choice.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6505Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:27:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6505Ex RepublicanAt one time, I thought McCain was credible guy. Now I think he would sink to any level for his shot at the presidency. WHAT AN ABSOLUTE SCUMBAG TO MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE THIS. I think this statement alone just killed his chances in 2008. Is there anything that these CON losers do not blame Clinton for. Do they take any responsibility for any of their actions, failues? The only reason North Korea has the bomb is because Bush put mini-me on notice. Anounced the axis of evil to the world and proceeded to invade what they precieved as the weakest country. Not only are Bush and his cronies responsible for the debacle in the middle east, but now they have started an arms race in Asia. The incompetance is so extreme it seems intentional. Bring on the Rapture! Beam me up Scott!!! Like a theif in the night... IMPEACH NOW WHILE WE STILL HAVE A PLANET LEFT!!! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6507Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:28:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6507ROZ m, los angeles, ca..and, senator mccain, let us not forget that it was a company that rummy headed that sold important munition supplies to the north korea.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6509Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:39:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6509sharon hayden hawi, hawaiialoha - wow -what a joy and relief to read the responses to McCains ploy to divert away from truth "R" style. Too bad-I think there was and could be much support for McCAin if he kept his spine and did not fold to his Repub bubs - he and hillary together would be good! Now if he is willing to lie with the rest of them - bye bye... Hope he reads this blog! mahalo sharonhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6511Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:44:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6511David, Atlanta, GA"legislation that would accelerate missile defense" Is “Missile Defense” another word for “Star Wars”? It looks like someone wants to get some tax-payer dollars back to the corporations that paid to have them elected. We have been at this for 20+ years and every major test of these systems has failed. The best we have done is hit a missile with a homing beacon on the end of parachute. I think diplomacy might be a better option, and easier on the taxpayer. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6512Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:49:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6512Todd VenHuizen Anchorage, AlaskaWow are only spinless democrates responding to this page. You all need to return your foreign tv's cars and walk to work for awhile. then maybe you can respect what our President has done for us. Is he or his administration always right?? No buy at least we did not sell our secrects to most of the world as the Clinton's did. Lets all face it yhe US Government is anmd always has been run by big money.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6513Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:50:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6513Ex Republican, Santa Monica, CA What a laugh! Old Rummy sat on the board of ABB, a european engineering company that was awarded a 200 million contract in 2000 to provde North Korea with both designs an key components to build two light water reactors. Ask old Rumsfeld about that now and all you will get is silence. Who do these fools think they're kidding. Americans are not that stupid. Anytime you want to round up all the whores, just start war! And remember, like cockroaches, for everyone you see, there's another 100 or more lurking in the walls. All CONS must go! Come November, everything is going to change. Can you say subpoena power!!! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6514Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:51:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6514Sam Hauck, Panama city, FlI use to think sen McCain was a strait shooter, but he has done nothing but sit on the fence and flop back and fourth to suit the Bush administration and point the finger at some one else. Why don!t you all get with the program and look the problems directly in the eye and get something done.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6515Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:54:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6515Rachel, Austin, TXIn response to "Bill Clinton from New York" It's funny how you can change the subject from Nuclear weapons in North Korea to the Clinton sex scandal. How's that work? Take a serious relevant issue and ignore it- are you in politics yourself? You sound like you could be part of the current administration.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6516Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:02:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6516Tedd AllenWow. The 1/2 wits are out in force! North Korea never had any intentions on keeping their word on the '94 "agreement". By the way... the '94 talks were "unilateral" talks. Worked well right? Clinton and Jimmy Carter took them at their word and lost. That was the last best chance to take care of the North Korea problem for good. Now they have nukes. That changes everything. No such opportunity exists anymore. Bush was dealt as close to a "No win situation" hand by the Clinton Admin here as is possible. The plutonium rods that were under inspection by the IAEA is all good... HELLO McFly... SECRET URANIUM ENRICHMENT mean anything to you?!? Great... IAEA inspectors sat and watched the pretty plutonium rods all day... Geez Louise man... GRAB A BRAIN! Also... FYI... It is well accepted now that North Korea received nuclear technology from the A.Q. Khan network up to '97 (re: after they signed the agreement, and BEFORE Bush). And their didn't fire those missles over Japan (landing off the coast of Alaska) in '98 to carry a payload of hookers to Alaska. ICBMs are designed for NUCLEAR WARHEADS! Again... '98... after the '94 agreement and BEFORE BUSH. McCain was right on the mark today. No more blaming Bush and protecting the Clinton "legacy" on North Korea. McCain's thoughts on the '94 "deal" are well documented... soon after it was signed. Clinton/Carter's incompetence has cost us dearly. Who knows... ultimately it may end up costing millions of lives. Bravo Clinton. Bravo.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6518Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:05:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6518densil johnsonI hear a lot of you complaning about a draft. This would not be an issue, If we could just get more than 1% of our young MEN to step up and quit hiding behind there MOM'S and DAD'S skirts. I don't care who is to blame for North Korea, we just need to join together and fix it as one. And trust me Democrats will just give the country away!!!!!! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6519Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:08:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6519Mike, Tomah, WIHaving spent 12 years in Korea returning in 2003, one has to appreciate what goes on daily there between the two Korea's and the world and how we are not are war and how this delicate peace is being carried out with President Bushes leadership. President Clinton did a poor job in his policies over there as stated above, Russia was going to build a power plant and US stepped in so we would not see another communist become allies. His policies on importing beef into the S. Korean economy forced anti-american demostrations which forces most americans to limit their travels or travel in groups. Americans soldiers were kidnapped by extreme university groups wanting to protest. This type of news never gets on the prime time news here in the states. North Korea's constant insurgency, special forces subs, naval battles with S.Korea and air forces constantly intruding water and air space has shown that what President Bush has done has prevented the war from starting up again. In 1994, when Clinton was in office, we almost went to war with N. Korea, a little publized fact except for us who were there and were at a moments notice to go north. There has been a book written by former 7th Air Force Commander. He cut the number of troops in the military, so now we are suffering for his decision and poor vision. So, when I hear press reports that have very little or no substance, and politicians who do not know the facts or not willing to go public with actual facts, or simply looking at a political gain, I cannot value what is said. One needs to be there, know the facts first hand, and allow the public to make their own opinion. Not to take out of context and note policies from all governments and to put names to everyone who supported them both democratics and republicans and independents, other government officials by name, and maybe the press needs to start to tell their sources and if they are wrong to go to court and get punished for eronious reporting. Anyone else who lies can get go to jail. There has been a movement in S. Korea to one day join the two Koreas together. Note the recent Olympics using one flag when marching in the opening ceremony. Or the reunions that have been held in both North and South for the families that were separated during the war (brothers, sisters, mothers, children) have seen each other for the first time in years and most likely the last. Yes the leader of North Korea is extreme, and what he did has put the world in a different light, just like the cuban missle crisis and 9/11. But for us who have been there to see his extremeness, this was not a shock, but rather when it was going to happen. Everyone has talked about N. Korea having nuclear bombs and not really believed it, now we all do...welcome to reality. As I walked into the office today, many of my co-workers had numerous questions on the Korea's and the life style, etc knowing I had spent many years there. I feel the public is tired of having to hear the politics from the democratics who to me are always whining because they do not hold the majority. That is the will of people who elect our congress. Democrats for a while have done there best to under cut congressional business and efficiently running this government. And once again they are doing it. It seems to me that I do not see a democratic standing up to give their plan based on actual intellengence receive...just rederic. I saw a c-span program with the former Ambassadors to S. Korea...they know what is going on and seem in principle follow what President Bush is doing. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6520Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:08:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6520Joe Gladden; White Bear Lake, MN I agree with many of the sentiments expressed above. I am really getting sick and tired of John McCain. He is just another old warhorse that is out of touch with reality and would push this nation farther toward the brinkof WW III. ENOUGH of all this military build-up rhetoric. What about some good old fashioned diplomacy??? I don't think most die hard Republicans really understand the power and potential of diplomacy. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6521Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:11:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6521Joe,Reading,Penna.Think we have problems now? If Billary and the rest of the no name Democrats gain control of the House and Senate we will travel down that well known tributary,sideways, without a paddle.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6524Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:37:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6524TonyBill Clinton was one of the worst presidents ever...this according to hsitorians who consistently vote him near the bottom (alongside of Nixon). He was a liar , purjurer (on vidoetape, no less)and we are still paying the price for him not gettin Bin Laden when he had the chance. Too many cigars in the oval office at the time, probably. McCain will beat Hilary like a drum...and not only that...when the Democrats fail to win the house this year (or win it by 1 or 2 measly seats), he will lead the republicans back to the strong majority that they rightly hold here in the the grand USA! Liberals can be content to watching that idiot Jon Stewart for their politics...that is about as close as they will get to power anyway.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6525Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:37:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6525walter richmond vaNUCLEAR as in the end of our civilized world. From day one Bush has treated this office like he is working for Daddy as he has done all of his life. He and Cheney have their little club that is getting smaller and smaller and we need to get them out before they screw this one up. I wish the republicans would stop arguing and just look at the lies that have happened since day one. If clintion had lied this much he would have been thrown out of office. He lied about having sex in the white house. Thats it!!! He also was able and willing ot talk to the enemy. Bush better learn that quick or we are all screwed. Republicans and Democrats alike!!! McCain was teatrering on loosing my vote when he became Bushes Minnie Me during the presdidential race. Now he's showing years of torture really left the same guy not a guy who really wants better world at any cost, just another politician! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6526Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:39:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6526Bloody Tampon, Crack, AssI wonder...is there disco in heaven? And if there is, will I be albe to get in that one?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6528Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:44:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6528CJ Oakland, CAIt's the Dems and Clinton? How about the Republicans and Rumsfeld. His tenure on the board of Directors of ABB from 1990-2001 while they sold Light Water Nuclear reactors to North Korea can be viewed here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.htmlhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6529Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:45:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6529Steven McnamaraWOw eight years of hate and still going stong!! Keep it up Rove is livin lavita loca!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6530Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:46:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6530Norm, Austin TXRidiculous, Brian! If you will do your research (which you obviously have not done) you will find that it was Bill Clinton (a ral Dumbocrat) that negotiated the agreement with N Korea that allowed this to happen. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6532Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:52:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6532Nick J, Los AngelesI lost all respect for John McCain when he stood up for Bush at the '04 RNC in New York...in his speech for Bush, he sounded like a 15 year-old cheerleader gushing about her BMOC boyfriend, the quarterback for the high school team. I used to like McCain, even though I am a liberal. He made sense. Now he acts like someone has stolen his brain. (AND his heart!) Shame on you, John McCain, SHAME ON YOU!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6533Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:58:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6533Billy GrammLiberals....all proclaimed above...GET OVER YOURSELVES! I can't even imagine Billary, Harry or Frenchie, trying to deal with S. Korea, let alone Nuclear Weapons. You people need to lose the hate, then flush and start over. P.S. you might want to turn on the news and see/hear there's something more important that Foley going on. Just a suggestion http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6534Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:58:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6534Billy GrammLiberals....all proclaimed above...GET OVER YOURSELVES! I can't even imagine Billary, Harry or Frenchie, trying to deal with S. Korea, let alone Nuclear Weapons. You people need to lose the hate, then flush and start over. P.S. you might want to turn on the news and see/hear there's something more important that Foley going on. Just a suggestion http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6535Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:02:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6535Speakout1I have been a lifelong Republican, but my fellow Republicans in office seem to think that threatening threateners is the way to calm situations. I used to think John McCain had some sense, now I believe he has chosen to play politics and is unfortunately playing to a position that people are now moving away from. Beign firm and talking "tough" has a place, but when you place people on the defensive, they are going to want the same weapons we have to defend themselves the same way we defend ourselves and when we label nations as "evil" in an axis of evil, what would we expect them to do, lay down and roll over because we're their masters? The more we push, the more these nations are going to want weapons to defend themselves from us or to use as we use them in bargaining. A "balance of power" may actually be what this world needs. If we don't blow ourselves up, we might just realize how dangerous it is for all of us to have such weapons available to all who possess them, including us. We don't seem to realize we're like a policeman with a smoking habit who continues puffing on a cigarette as he writes a ticket to fine someone for smoking in a non-smoking zone. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6536Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:05:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6536Patrick Gillespie South Strafford, VermontRepublicans say: Tastes better. But the Democrats say: Less Filling. Ladies and Gentleman, We give you the new John McCain: BUSH LIGHT: rebottled with half the brains. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6538Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:07:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6538Dave LeeHow can anyone believe that the Clinton policy worked when the North Koreans secretly continued their nuclear weapons program under the eyes of the weapons inspector. While Mad. Albright was standing and smiling with that butcher and millions died starving and hundreds of thousands suffer in concentration camps. Are people really that ignorant and stupid to think that Kim Jung Il is to be trusted? It's a shame and pity that many ignore the misery and death in North Korea under one of the most brutal regimes in the world. History repeats its self again. Hitler did it the idiots pacified him just as they do now. Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Dean, scares me. Their ignorance and indifference has killed millions and will continue to do so. Remember, Rwanda. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6539Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:08:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6539Ethan, Eugene, Oregonwhat really isn't funny is thinking that the Democrats would be in power again... I haven't heard one think from any democrat in the last 3 or 4 years that I haven't heard before.. its the same old tired arguments and slander.. its old really!! and none of your arguments hold any water to me. I hear plenty of it.... I live in OR. Dems really think that they have it all figured out... how to deal with Iraq... ok we have that example all ready (vietnam) I challenge you to look up the daily death rate for vietnam and compare it to Iraq today... even better what is the daily murder rate in one of our major cities and compare it to the American deaths in Iraq?? there are more people that died of the flu last year than American deaths in Iraq. there isn't one Rep. out there that "likes" war... if you think there is you are living in a fantasy world... do you think that if we stop fighting terror that they will stop attacking us... do you understand that they are raised to hate the west and want to kill you?? don't you understand that?? what do they want most?? to remove Israell from the map... their ideas about the Jewish community look a lot like someone elses that stands out in history... reminds me of Hitlers "final solution to the Jewish question" wake up people you really can't afford to walk through this life blindhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6540Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:09:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6540Mark Shoemaker Auburn WA.McCain used to be the only republican I could stand now there are none.How could he possibly forget it was the guy that cut his throat in 1999(W) that shut North Korea out of talking after Clinton worked so hard to at least have some sort of dialog with them. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6541Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:09:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6541Very Concerned, FLWhat has happened here, guys? Have we truly become a country of angry, hotheaded people who spend their time typing criticism on computers all day? Turn the computer off and get out and make a difference in the world. Run for office or campaign for your favorite candidate or write your Congressman/Congresswoman, but, for the love of Pete, get off your butts and MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!! I sense that many of you have too much pent up anger and probably need some exercise.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6542Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:10:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6542Damon, Livermore, Ca.SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE ALL NOTHING BUT LIBERAL TOOLS!!! I AM CONTENT TO NEVER HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MSNBC AGAIN!!! WHY DON'T YOU PUT ANY OF THE OBJECTIVE VIEWS TO THE LEFT? BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS A TERRIBLE THING TO BE FACED WITH AND LIBERALS WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRUTH. ONLY THEIR VERSION OF THE TRUTH. I'M SURE I'M WASTING MY TIME EVEN WRITING THIS...YOU TOOLS WON'T POST THIS ANYWAY!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6544Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:13:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6544Ted Boggess, Scott Depot, WVTo Mitch in Phoenix: You are right-on. If they try to reinstate the draft, the Bush sisters should be numers one and two on the call list. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6545Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:14:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6545Omar, New JerseyI don't like John McCain. I didn't like Hillary either, but of the two, Hillary makes better sense. McCain is trying to attract attention for 2008 and it doesn't matter if it hurts the American people as long as he gets support from King Bush. McCain, you just lost my vote!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6547Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:20:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6547Jeremy Foster, Roswell, NMRichardson is the last person we want dealing with North Korea. Despite his diplomatic history, his recent activities in New Mexico (particularly the raid on the state's permanent fund) are political maneuvering of the worst sort. For those unfamiliar with Richardson's antics, he authorized significant expenditures during his term, by drawing money from the land grant fund at 5.8% rather than the 5% established by the state constitution. As a result, the principal (and therefore the interest generated) that the state relied on to generate income that funds everything from education to infrastructure will be falling over the course of his term. In a brilliant and destructive political move, he simultaneously managed to "compromise" by requiring that the original rate be re-instituted at the end of his term. As a result, his successor will be obligated to keep up with Richardson's new policies while drawing a smaller percentage of income from a reduced principal balance. Of course, many of the projects that the money has been spent on bear his name, so it's all in a good cause...http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6548Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:20:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6548Mike All this talk is just that. Peoples "perceptions" of what they think happened are amazing considering we have noit idea of the reality or complexity of the lintons shift, and our dear Ms. Madeline Albright whew there's a winner, talked about failed , proven on record this is the result of it policy. Must ask all, previous 9/11 everyone belived Iraq had the weapons, yup even all the libs. Are we sure we know what N korea is doing?? MMMMmmmm you libs are all so smart. I f Bush had come out and said N Korea had or was building these weapons and needed totake action, ala Iraq you would have cursed him as a war monger, and a tyrant!! Who do you think you people are kidding!! The dems can los ground and and an election gaster and better than the New York Yankees!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6549Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:22:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6549Mike Nicoll, Thousand Oaks, California Thank you citizens of United States for re-elected Mr. BUSH! "I think my 6 years old son can do better job the BUSH Administration" I Guarantee!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6550Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:25:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6550Paul Hello everyone when will you wake up and figure out that Bush has had to clean up the American repution after Clinton and all his screwing around and womanizing. Clinton also had a chance to kill Binladen and didn't after the first trade center bombing. So who is having to clean that up. McCain has stood beside the only President that had enough courge to stand up aginst all odds and the poles and make them pay for their actions.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6552Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:29:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6552Pat McClelland, Olympia, WAMust be that the Democrats are the only ones with an opinion when Republicans are in office - too bad they're so far afield of reality. You think you can talk these guys into submission? I have yet to hear one liberal offer up an acceptable response to terrorists of any stripe. All the whining about what President Bush is doing with no solution of their own. Where were the liberals when our embassies were attacked? What solution did they bring to the table to deal with meniacal dictators around the globe during the 90's? Why do they complain about how we treat these terrorists when they so fully endorse the killing of unborn children, effecting the worst kind of terrorism in the history of the world on those who are totally defenseless? Talk about confused, take a look in the mirror liberals, you're the problem as you complain over everything yet offer no hopeful alternatives to anything. Reminds me of when John Kerry ran for the Presidency, all talk and no action.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6553Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:31:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6553Tom, Edmonds, WashingtonIt is my hope and prayer that enough people are using enough of their forebrain to see the Joseph Gerbles like propaganda this administration, their cronies in congress and their propaganda arm (Fox News) have been spinning since 9/11. For those who aren't sure who Joe Gerbles is.....he was the propaganda minister for Adolf Hitler. Anybody heard of him? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6554Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:32:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6554Gary,Olympia,wa Just once Id like to see all these folks stand up for what they really mean , right or wrong ! Goldwater did He didnt get elected but He said what he meant ,Im sure he could at least look in the mirror every nite before he went to bed http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6555Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:33:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6555TimYeah, Lets get the Dems back in power so we stick our heads back the sand again and pretend everything is hunky dory like we did in the 90s.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6557Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:35:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6557Bill B, Dublin, OhioBravo to Bill C. from NY. I have never been one of McCain's backers either but after seeing how bad he upset all of these Clinton backers I just developed more respect for him. You can not negotiate with terrorist. Remember that we the WORLD citizens did not start this war that our world is in, the terrorist did. It is just a shame that the rest of the world would rather let the USA and Britain fight it for them.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6558Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:35:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6558Nick Schwartzkopf, Glen Carbon, ILWell, No more MSNBC for me. I refuse to read the Bush Wacker's blogs. Demoncrats only liked Senator McCain when they thought he oppossed President Bush. Now that he reminds the Clinton folk about his failures McCain is attacked. Small minds - short memories.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6559Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:36:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6559Paul Chevalier, Hudson, NHWhewww!~ I can't imagine all these lunatics attracted to one site.....must be offering free social security and free medical benefits here, almost like Massachusetts....liberals all.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6561Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:44:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6561James Bright, Cleveland, ALPlease don't ask the Democrats for solutions to problems because they have none. The only way they can win elections is by smearing the opposition.When I see people in the U.S. cheering these Socialists like Chavez I wonder why they stay here. Most of you cry babies (about Iraq) have never been shot at by the enemy. You need to live under the rule of someone like Sadam. Maybe then you will respect what you had here!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6565Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:49:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6565raymond polak, cinnaminson, new jerseyI agree with the comments of many who said they have lost respect for Sen. McCain. I dont understand how he and most senators and congressman seem to have forgotten that their role is "advise and consent" and to be a counterweight to the president whose poor choices are responsible for the mess in Iraq, Iran and now Korea. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6566Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:50:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6566MSN HaterI hate being manipulated by the media into going to stupid links because their stupid webmaster places the link over the article I wanted to read. MSN, you are "Fired"http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6567Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:50:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6567Donald Foster- Sandown, New HampshireRepublicans/Democrats, What's the difference? By the time the American electorate is awake our country will be a facist state in the grip of dispair and disrepair because of these fools we've allowed to govern our once great country.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6569Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:53:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6569steve- fond du lac wisconsinthis administration is totally out of line. they have cheated us, lied to us and in the process have engaged all the lowest of IQ americans to stand up for them. guns dogs chew and beer we repugs all will cheer. kill arabs, kill VC, kill any that dont agree with me. what a shamefull way to go through life. steve wisconsin democrat.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6570Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:54:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6570Jeanice B Jackson, Mo. It seems to me that the rest of the world is just getting real tired of George telling them what they can and can't do. Don't blame Clinton, because this little bully don't scare them. I think we were better off back when Clinton was in office, at least he had a rapore with most leaders, no one likes or trust George Bush; Iknow I don't,and I'm not a Democrate.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6573Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:57:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6573Harry M, Seattle, WashingtonI'm disappointed with McCain and the Republican Party. They just don't have any class at anymore. When are they going to stop blameing Clinton for failed Republican policies. Clinton was President for 8 years, Bush has been President for 6 and the country and our foregin policies are a mess. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6575Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:59:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6575NothingTax payer-tax payer, they never have to react, keep working psy tax, not enough moneay to pay rent, pay school, pay food, need car to work for 3 jobs or 5 in pamily, need pay babies sitter, both parent work several jobs. Does make difference who lead, who control, who make mess; they need money for those. The will take more and more from people who works hard as dog, day and night. Poor, poor people, is anybody care?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6576Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:00:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6576Ken Stephens, Slidell, LAGood to see McCain on the right page again. All I have seen Democrats do through the years is cut military spending. Enable those who want to destroy us by appeasement. Thank God for men of guts like Ronnie Reagan and both Bush's. Those people overseas do not want to talk to you dummies. They want to kill you and your children.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6577Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:01:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6577Jeanice B Jackson, Mo. It seems to me that the rest of the world is just getting real tired of George telling them what they can and can't do. Don't blame Clinton, because this little bully don't scare them. I think we were better off back when Clinton was in office, at least he had a rapore with most leaders, no one likes or trust George Bush; Iknow I don't,and I'm not a Democrate.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6578Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:03:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6578John Allen, San Diego, CAI still think John McCain is respectable and a great American. Regardless of how you may feel on certain issues, I feel other heads of state would have no choice but to respect this man. Being a maverick also means saying what he feels. If he feels Clinton's policies hurt in N. Korea, then so be it...it doesn't make McCain any less of a strong leader.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6579Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:05:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6579Craig Bradley, VirginiaThats exactly what we need. A bigger military force; to such a degree that if we really wanted to, we could deploy troops to control EVERY country...wait that sounds more like world dominance. Somebody's getting greedy. And how about we stop focusing on who to blame and more on how to fix the problem. Ok so you might have to diagnose the problem to find the solution; but lets save the index finger work-out for the remote control and the can of beer. Going to war with terrorism...isnt the guy responsible for the recent amish children-event a terrorist by definition? If so...will somebody send Bush a Green Card application so he'll be forced to study and focus more on the problems in the U.S. instead of his home country?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6580Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:07:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6580ron seattleSuch a bunch of whining babies. typical of the democrats when not in power. Had the power for 50 years and what did we get? NOTHING, but more whiners(weiners), unfortunately I live in the whiner state of the countryhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6581Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:10:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6581Ken Stephens, Slidell LAWhat a bunch of liberal cowards. If I were to believe msn I would be referring to John Kerry as President instead of the great George Bush our fine President.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6582Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:10:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6582Bill B., Bryan TexasI just read 57 comments of jibberish (except for Bill Clinton in New York). You freakin democrats seem to forget the current state of the world. We didn't initiate this war. It came to us on 9/11. I am glad to surrender some of my personal freedoms to ensure the world is a safer place for future generations. With all these liberal democrat comments I have but one question...do you people work or write comments all day. Do something productive with your lives.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6584Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:12:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6584Rick, AtlantaIlike McCain and support the war!! Unfortunately you seem to have a lot of people responding that have little or no understanding of Politics. Both Parties suck! If you beleive they have any interest in whats best for americans think again! The reality nis no matter who's in office we lose. If we are really concerned with the direction of the US, terminate all current politicians. That would be a great start!! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6585Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:14:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6585hoedriller, Boca Raton, Fla.Finally, Americans are waking up. One thing overlooked here.I can smell the big cigars, taste the smooth bourbon and hear the voices telling John ,Mc Cain," simmer down john, sure WE ragged you thru the coals and told nothing but lies to defeat you in south carolina."Its bushies turn,just be quiet and nod yes once in a while and "you can be next".Go out in " STYLE" .8 more years and the world can be yours. AS Mc Cain left the room a voice was heard to whisper,"Do you think he fell for it?" This bush boot lickin sap will never be president. That is how deals are made people.As a resident of Florida I apologise for Kathy Harris being allowed to associate with my state,this dark chapter on florida politics is rapidly ending soon.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6586Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:18:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6586WakeUpAmerica, Seattle WABill Clinton New York! You are brainwashed!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6588Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:20:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6588Jane, Southern MississippiI used to think McCain would be a wonderful president, because I had thought that he was his own man. Now I know better. If it had been me, I would never have forgiven Bush and his "people" for smearing me during the primaries for the 2000 republican nomination. Character counts, and the republicans just don't have it. No matter how many times they tell us they are the party of God and family values. Actions speak louder than words.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6589Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:20:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6589Randy, Lincoln, NEIt is interesting to read the crying comments from the short sighted, go with your feelings liberals that have left so many messages on this site. I feel fortunate to live in a country where even ignorant people can have a forum to express their incredibly uneducated views.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6590Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:23:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6590Tangent, ORSean Hannity, yes there is a voice of reason and fairness, we will decide so you don't have to.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6591Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:24:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6591Scott, Morgantown WVFor those of you that seem disheartened by Senator McCain's alleged pandering to the Bush administration. Keep this in mind, he has to win his party's nomination before he can run for president. With the death grip of the Christian right on the Republican party, it is very dificult to do this without a little leaning right. Those of us who have supported Senator McCain over the years, patiently understand this. He can be our middle of the road hero from the Senate, but will never be president without this. So please don't be to critical of him when he speaks the truth, even if it seems to support President Bush. Paying off the Koreans once is enough. While agreeing with critics, that President Bush's responses to this on going crisis was to say least inadequate, the original responsiblity lays squarely with President Clinton. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6592Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:29:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6592Steve Althouse"Motormouth McCain" - the biggest wannabe in Washington! Makes himself up in his "maverick" costume just long enough to get the spotlight, then like the good lapdog that he is, rolls over for Bush.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6594Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:34:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6594Gene HudsonI would like to remind everyone that the main distraction and destruction in aMERICA now was cause by 9-1-1..This you can blame the Clinton Admin. for. This was carefully being planned right under the Clinton Administration's eyes.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6595Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:38:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6595Tony, Garland, TXIt is good to learn from all this that Hillary is still blocking legislation that would accelerate the funding for a missile defense system. We do not want a tan that will glow.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6596Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:39:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6596Gina Bosco, Plymouth, Michiganwow, its amazing how the dems talk about how republicans try to blame clinton for everything, and those same dems blame President Bush for everything that has happened, even before he was in office. Come on, can he really cause a hurricane to head straight for New Orleans?? or was it just all the black people he was heading for?...where was the govennor, why did the mayor let the school busses drown along with his "chocolate" city and then when did all this I will just blame the president for everything start???I didn't vote for clinton, but he was still my president, so like a "normal" American I got involved and worked for my local Republican headquarters and raised money and sent flyers to get Republicans voted in...I didn't trash the office of the presidency, like clinton did unfortunately, I respected what both sides had to say and I picked one that I thought I could live with. Why would anyone decent person ever go into politics? Oh, I know...they wouldnt that's why things look like they do now.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6597Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:42:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6597James P. Murray, Clearlake Calif.I am exceedingly dissapointed in mc cann. he is talking thru bush to try to save the inevitable loss of the houses. this election will be the forerunner to the presidential election and mc cann and the rest of the bush puppets are afraid to let the democratic party be seen in full view against the republi cann party. please bushites grow up, lets resolve this world at war scenario before a III comes behind the warmonger bushes description of a war on terror.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6598Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:45:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6598Mike Martens, Anchorage, AlaskaIt's funny how all of you dems used to like John McCain when he acted like a democrat. Talk about wearing blinders. geez.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6599Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:48:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6599Wayne B.. Upstate (way up!) NYAh, if only we all looked closer at Ralph Nader...he is in nobody's pocket...we'd be in a greener, solar and wind powered world by now......http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6600Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:48:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6600Bill Wiggs, Hermiston, OregonRico, hit the nail square,,, Rikki, you understand politics,,, nice thought Ivory,,,, the majority of the rest of the jugheads on this page must have been raised by brokaw, or rather,,, this country is becoming,,, or has become so socialistic its scary, the media brainwashes and its evident by what I read here..... Politics is a dirty business on both sides,its win at any price, dignity and ethics are a joke,, as evidenced by sen. kennedy sitting on the ethics comittee. God help us all. Who, Dem or Rep can do anything today with political correctness as running the show, bring back Gen. Black Jack Pershing and let him deal with the little idiot in N. Korea !!! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6601Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:48:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6601lud los angeles ca Why not go back and blame Clinton for the Foley scandal and all the other Bush mistakes ,,, Cant wait to see George land on a carrier next to North Korea ,,,Mission Accomplished ...just a little more shock and awe ..ther are several more dictators around to Shock and awe ,,, http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6602Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:48:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6602TinmanTex, Burkburnett Tx.All is well good people,and all will be well. I'm sure of it. The might,power and greatness of the United States always prevails. After 911 we were all together and that was truly wonderful. Remember?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6606Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:52:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6606Jessica, Sapporo, JapanI agree with Rico Dewaer, Brooklyn NY...China is behind the scenes in SO many issues. China has been funded by the U.S.(for advancement of society) for over 10 years even though explicitely violating fund agreements. BOTH Clinton and W.Bush have overlooked this (though Bush seriously contemplated ending the funding) and China in turn continues to support Russia, N.Korea and any other country that is a viable threat to the U.S.( "the U.S. is China's #1 enemy"). An Active politician is better than a Passive politician...someone has got to have a game plan...Shouldn't someone take more than a glance at China and their behind the scenes regime and maybe N.Korea will take a step back as well. And maybe the funding of terrorists and weapon suplies will decrease significantly as well...It's all about China...http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6608Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:53:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6608 Rick, Bend Oreto the moran who signed his name Bill Clinton New York. That is the same things the Jim Jones followers said about him! Try and use the critical part of your brain first before you drink the kool-ade.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6612Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:02:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6612john Doe, somewhere overseasClinton planning a military strike. Oh yea now Ive heard it all. Remember the Kobar Towers, Nigerian embasy, the USS Cole. Nothing ever came from that except alot of hot air from the former president but no action. If we continue to appease the tyrants of the world they will continue to do bad things then look for a hand out from us to stop. There comes a time when enough is enough and every one someday will have to step up and defend what is right ethicaly and moraly. My question is would you rather bring the fight to the U.S. or take care of it over seas.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6613Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:03:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6613Steven D. WillisI find it interesting that so many of the bloggers on this site are quick to dismiss Senator McCain and President Bush. Revisionist history is rampant among many of the Bush-haters whose disgust for this administration prevents them from seeing the facts as they are. President Clinton's (and Madeline Albright's) failures in the Middle East are the principle reason we're in this predicament. During the Clinton era, I can remember a number of occasions when pundits and strategists warned us about the very situation we find ourselves in today. I served as an infantry platoon leader in Iraq and I can tell you firsthand that the fight there is winnable and worth it. Unless you've laced up a pair of boots and manned a rifle, please don't undermine the efforts of soldiers who are sacrificing their lives so you don't have to. Feel free to move to Berkeley with the other morons. The vocal minority in this country need to address serious issues with a sense of pragmatism and courage, not impatience and cowardice. Too often, our media as well as the Bush-haters are quick to identify problems, but slow to offer solutions. That is the fundamental reason why Democrats can't overtake the Republicans at any electoral level.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6614Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:04:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6614Dan, New Vineyard, ME.I remember a television report a couple of years back discussing the North Korean nuclear problem and the 1994 agreement. I believe it stated that the republican congress in the late 90's had rejected provisions of the agreement which led the Koreans to feel that the U.S. had broken the deal. Anyone remember that?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6615Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:10:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6615PJ- Salt Lake City, UTWhen Clinton was in office, did he leave America with a surplus or deficit? When Bush leaves office, is he going to leave America (not himself or his family) with a surplus or deficit. Please don't say that Bush is a good president. He has lied to us more times then I can count. He lied about secret prisons, he lied about WMD's in Iraq. He lied initially about "tapping" phones,internet emails and other things. We need Democrats back in House, Senate and the White House.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6616Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:11:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6616Dan, Valencia, CALadies and gentlemen, if anyone believes that President Bush will go down as one of the greatest President in American history has to be on steriods. The man has our men and women in a war we cannot win. (By the way here is a question. Why is that whenever we go to war and we are suppose to have allies, why is it that the U.S. always has 50-100,000 troops there and the allies together total less then 50,000 total? Just wondering.) Mr.Bush and the Republican party spend so much time trying to blame everyone else for their failures that they cannot do anything positive to help the most powerful country on the planet. People wake up. We clearly are the greatest country on the planet and I love this country. But the current Republican leadership that we have in Washington DC has not shown the type of leadership that has made this country the respected world power that is. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6617Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:12:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6617Randy, Granbury, TexasWow. The liberals have really worked themselves into a frenzy on this one. God forbid they actually look at the real world the rest of us live in. Instead, they'd rather play amateur diplomat and act as if they understood anything at all. You know, Clinton simply kicked the can down the road and counted on Americans to focus on our 401k and not look at the rest of the world...and we complied. After I lost friends in Somalia bin Laden called us a "paper tiger" and he was right until 9-11. Finally, we have a president who realizes not everyone in the world is a European and maybe some respond only to being smacked around. Clinton had great timing but poor judgement. He also had a electorate with their collective heads buried in a pile of money. Why is it liberals never have anything they're positive about? Their only passionately against something but have no ideas or people they are for.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6618Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:13:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6618Dongle, OC, CAAll the above display a political presumption, and bias. That's what is wrong with politics. It's *yeah* for our point of view [read political "party"] and you others are (obviously) wrong. Since when does bias yield good decisions? Technocrats unite! You have only bias to lose.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6619Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:13:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6619PJ- Salt Lake City, UTWhen Clinton was in office, did he leave America with a surplus or deficit? When Bush leaves office, is he going to leave America (not himself or his family) with a surplus or deficit. Please don't say that Bush is a good president. He has lied to us more times then I can count. He lied about secret prisons, he lied about WMD's in Iraq. He lied initially about "tapping" phones,internet emails and other things. We need Democrats back in House, Senate and the White House.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6620Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:15:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6620Jeff, Newark, New JerseyHow bout we get all the apologetic democrats out of office. You know the ones who have no solutions but complain and gripe about being out of power. When will we learn that the Liberal Left is responsible for all that is good in this country. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6621Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:18:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6621Truly Concerned, Rural, ColoradoActually, it's not about Democrats or Republicans, it is about the United States of America. It's about two groups of people, Democrats and Republicans, neither of which represent the American People any more (I'm not sure that they ever did). We need to quit trying to fix everything for everyone and fix ourselves first. Any large business, and yes our government would qualify as one, has a business plan-a plan of action that is followed no matter who is the CEO. In our government, they are so busy acting like kids on the play ground that we are literally spinning. Every time we get a new party in power, out with the old and in with the new--kind of like that hamster on the wheel. It's a game and the American people are the prize-actually our government is. I am not aware of one single politician who is addressing what is really needed to be done to take care of us and our nation---health care, health insurance, social security, education, illegal immigration, trade deficits, the homeless, character and ethical conduct, global warming, terrorism--just to mention a few. It doesn't make any difference if they are Democrat or Republican, they are all self- serving. How much longer can we continue to re-invent our government every time we turn around. Nothing is getting done in the areas where it really counts, not that N. Korea is insignificant, but if they rattle their swords loud enough, cut them off, freeze them out, and if they send something our way, blow it out of the sky. I don't think that we should be paying these little countries one cent--it's extortion at it's rawest! And as for Iraq, finish the job, turn things over to them, and if I were in charge, I'd have the corps of engineers construct a wall around Iran, Iraq and all of that gang and let them figure it out for themselves. They will never stop being terrorist as long as they teach babes to hate us. No immigration to US from those countries. It's easy to bash whoever is in office and do nothing about it yourself. We need to take some responsibility for ourselves and quit electing career politicians who exit government service much wealthier than they were when they entered office, who have the sweetest retirement deal of all time, and who, if were given performance reviews based on how they conducted their jobs, would be unemployed by the end of their first year. For international issues, revamp and strengthen the United Nations and let them handle things. I'd like to be able to look anyone in the eye and say that I am damn proud to be an American, but how can I do that with the "jokes" that we have presented to us by our two national parties and our totally biased media. I don't think that we have a lot of time to fix things. Iraq and N. Korea are just the tip of the problems in one area and it really doesn't matter who lied about what and what Bill Clinton said or john McCain or President Bush---it won't make a difference when we require SPF 2000 because of global warming, or have our country destroyed right in front of us. Quit pointing the finger of blame and look to what we can do to help improve things. The saying, "when you point the finger of blame, there are three fingers pointed back at the accuser," applies here.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6622Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:19:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6622W. Brent CampSome of you responding have placed the tag of blame, just right. It's the political status-quo that resounds with failure. It is about time for every American---to be an American, beyond political parties. Think about it; we hear from so-called political representatives--of who--you and me, and neither party is addressing the future needs of our Grand Children and beyond. Sad. I think if my ansestor, Thomas Jefferson, could come back for a day, he would leave immediately, this Country is not what it was intended to be, as The Consitution was written. Sad---again. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6624Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:22:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6624SSG John McLaughlinAfter reading all these comments, I'm actually astounded at how dumbfounded most americans are. I served under President Clinton. What did he really accomplish? Nothing. Has Bush accomplished anything, not really. After serving under both Presidents, I do know this. I am more prepared and more aware of my surroundings than when we had good ole Bill and Hillary in office. They were a complete farce and hid every act they did in office. Is President Bush, perfect? Heck no. Atleast we have someone in office who doesnt hide his antics and hide behind is rhetoric democrat senators and go whinning like a little baby. They sucked and you are all scared to admit it. I want to know what the so called Clinton administration really did besides, lie to us about everything and not do anything about it. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6625Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:23:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6625wayne mcmillenI think there are "apologists" on both sides of the political spectrum. Al Gore was certainly supportive of his boss. Clinton put himself in a position to not only get blown but also in a position to get blackmailed thereby putting this country at risk or at the very least weakening himself as leader of the western world. There are legitimate mistakes made all the time by politicians. What Clinton did was not a mistake..you see the defintion of a mistake is something you thought was right turns out to be wrong but to do something obviously wrong....... Our last two presidents have been the two most hated presidents that I can every remember. Hate is a blinding force...hopefully there are enough of us independents to salvage the political process.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6626Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:24:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6626Floyd Vinson, Sun City West, AZLets deal in facts now. If you want to know how long we have known about Osama bin Laden, look at the Col. Oliver North hearings before Congress. Both Pres. Reagan and George H W Bush knew about him and did nothing, just like the college cheer-leader who presently occupies the White House. We need a BIG change in our present political atmosphere in Washington, all the way from Bush down. The Republicans have gotten us into a mess we will not get out of in the near fuutre.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6628Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:27:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6628Kofa, Saigon, MDSpare us Johnnie B Good. Our boys are dying in Iraq...is there a POLICY???http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6629Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:38:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6629Jeff, San Diego, Ca.When in doubt, blame the Clintons. The Republicans are so pathetic....yeah you McCain!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6631Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:42:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6631Shawn KIngClinton's inept national security and foriegn policies led to the spread of Islamofascism Al Queda, ChinComs getting our best missile technology, and in a nut shell he personally funded North Koreans Nuke program. The liberal media works so hard to invent a legacy for Clinton. Unfortunately President Bush has had to spent his time in office not only steralizing the Lincoln Bedroom but cleaning up Clinton's failures. Democrats can't get elected with out creating scandals because they only want power and have no solutions. Thier talking points of the day are rediculous and there and todays journalist refuse to hold these discraceful unpatriotic politicians accountable. Thats why MSNBC, the Communist News Network, The New York Times, have diminished ratings and readership and are laying off employees. My favorite part of all this is when the Democrats DO NOT regain the House or the Senate they will still call it a moral victory. Good Luck and Good Nighthttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6633Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:44:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6633Lillian Dobson, Congers, NY"The annihilation of nations," was predicted many years ago,"if man does not stop offending God who is already too much offended." It looks as though mankind is headed in that direction and if it should happen we will have no one else to blame but ourselves. For those who understand, the only recourse right now is for mankind to stop offending God and for all people of good will to pray unceasingly for world peace.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6634Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:45:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6634Jeb, FloridaChina will deal with this. They really have no choice now. If they don't, people might not go to the Olympics. That would be a shame. Let's not blame Clinton or Bush. Heck...we have not had good leadership for a long time now. Let's just agree that we've had a Bush before, and we have had a Clinton. Let's not make the same mistake twice. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6635Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:46:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6635Jerry, North DakotaTo Ed from FAll Creek, WI. Perhaps instead of whining about Wayne's math error, perhaps you should go back to 3rd grade English and learn to use puntuation properly. Whether Cheney & Rove have been president for 6 or 8 years, what's the difference? They've had plenty of time to 'fix things'. And How about Daddy Bush? Does he get any blame? I'm sure not in your world. And to you 'Bill Clinton' of NY; you talk about alleged flip-flopping. Why don't we talk about Cheney's multiple Vietnam defferrments or W making a joke at one of his big dollar lunches about the inability of the troops to find WMD's. Pretty easy to joke about something when it's not you or your family in Iraq getting shot at. By the way 'Bill', I see you lied about your name. Most of you Neo-cons are good at lying.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6637Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:52:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6637Linda, Lady Lake, FLI often wonder when the American public will wake up to the shenanigans of this administration and the Republican party-especially the heir-apparent to President Bush-John McCain. I am pleased that so many people feel the same way about McCain that I do-used to like and respect him, but now see that he is just a puppet for Bush. Sell your soul and integrity for the nomination John? I think so. Our country is in a world of hurt right now and no one in this administration takes any responsibility for ANYTHING(although they preach personal responsibility to the American public every day)! Bush has had 6 years to do something about N. Korea-in fact, Colin Powell agreed with the roadmap to deal with them that the Clinton administration passed on to them. But Bush vetoed it-never would do anything that Clinton might have come up with-gotta do the Texas cowboy way of dealin' with people. Bomb them. Now we are seeking the help of the UN in this mission when we snubbed our noses at them when our country "attacked" Iraq (which had nothing to do with 9/11-even by Bush and Cheney's own admission). How many of us would stand by and not fight back to a country that invaded ours, wiped out our infra-structure, and ended up having 1 million people die (same percentage as the amount of people killed in Iraq) as a result of the invasion. Would you want to fight back? Think about it and the laffable foreign policy that this Administration is exhibiting, and then think about the mantra of this Administration-"Our job is to protect the American people." Do you feel safe?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6638Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:53:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6638Chris------- Tulare, CaI have lost total interest and respect for all politicians seems that every thing is about them they do not have the pulse of the common people. too must prime rib and cocktails and face time on tv for me. they controlled my war in vietnam and they are controlling our demise in the world, hang onto your seats cause the third worlders are monitoring all the b.s. that has our country twisted like a cheap pretzel. they do not form committies to plan their next move they just make their move and we take it in the shorts. semper fidiles means always faithful and i love my country and i will defend those that i love to the end. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6639Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:54:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6639Akin, Houston, TexasA wise man once said "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Its one thing not to be wise, its another not to listen to the wise. Bush is both! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6640Wed, 11 Oct 2006 04:55:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6640Stephen Hong, Westminster, CaliforniaIt's very sad now seeing United States being divided. Both parties are critizing each other and to be on top each other... Remembered the date 9/11 and right after that, I saw Americans were united and strong... But now we are not in that state any more. Is it really that American already forgot the stragedy 9/11? Can we afford to have another one with more people die? It's time for us stop fighting each other, but thinking of the way to protect ourselves. Please remember that preveting is always better than fixing from happening and united is the most powerful thing of all.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6641Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:03:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6641Glen Cooper, West Lafayette, OhioSenator McCain misses yet another fact in his diatribe against Senator and President Clinton: The Ballistic Missile Defense Organization (formerly the Strategic Defense Initiative, or "Star Wars") WILL NOT WORK. It has failed or underperformed in virtually every test to date. Its unworkable nature and undependable results were foretold and are still denounced by the majority of the scientific community -- at least those whose funding isn't dependent upon BMDO largesse. Amongst all the possible means of defending ourselves from a North Korean -- or any nation's -- nuclear attack, reliance upon this fantasy is doubly dangerous: It diverts our attention from workable solutions to nuclear proliferation -- ranging from diplomatic engagement to political statesmanship to military intervention -- while providing a woefully false sense of "security" that can all to easily be overwhelmed by an enemy sophisticated enough to build a nuclear weapon and a missile delivery system. I will, however, hand it to the Republicans when it comes to efficiency. What it took President Clinton 6 years in office to do to one intern, Bush has managed to do to the majority of the world's nations AND his own citizenry in the same amount of time. BRAVO! (clap...clap...clap)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6643Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:07:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6643Daryl Seattle WA.I can't believe all the mud slinging....We meaning the legal people of the United States are in this together. It is not about Reps or Dems it is about our children and their children, it is about our heritage of us citizens...Terrorism is differn't then all our past wars, in the past we could see our enemy, ones that did't hide in schools, hospitals etc. This enemy doesn't care about life or the enviroment, but just to kill or destroy to get their way. Lets not forget to mention they are envious of our success. We have talked and talked warned and warned to no end....This is why they test and push us. If we were more like Isreal and made decisive moves and not worried about who might get mad, or the ACLU. Many fine Americans died protecting the privilege of freedom of speech and that they can have the freedom and the right to raddle their swords and threaten businesses and institues and use the liberal courts system to tie even the government hands. So to the people who think the current administration is acting like kids and think that they know so much about what is really going on...I urge you to run for President and see if you can please everyone, this position has to be hard and I am sure that it is not about a popularity contest. I believe it is probably one of the hardest jobs in the free (did I say free?) world. Our current situation is about protecting freedom across the world not sustaining a political party. I wouldn't compare the position of our country to acting like kids. We need to take action and quit talking like we have for so long. People, our country is loosing respect in the world because we talk and warn without follow through J.F.K. stood tall and Ronald Regan stood tall because the people were behind them, Why not now? where is your pride? Action speaks louder then words! We are even more vulnerable if we bury our heads and have our tail between our legs.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6646Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:14:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6646Alan Holl, Tucson, AZAtleast the Cliton Administration talked and negotiated with N. Korea, sucessful or not, whereas the Bush Administration has not. The Bushies set preconditions that is not the way to start meaningful negotiations. Condolessa rice tried but was sandbagged by the Cheney-Rumsfield faction. Again, no leadership from the President!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6647Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:17:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6647Ben Wong; Kailua, HawaiiI am with Senator John McCain regarding the issue of North Korea's threat to not only its adjacent neighbors but to our USA, as well. Democrats have for years coddled and, as mentioned by Senator McCain, dangled carrots without the sticks. Their rhetoric has and continues to be voluble and their actions characterized with aboulia. North Korea's Dictator, Kim Jong Il has used 100% of our US Tax Dollars to fund his craving for personal, materialistic goodies, and for strengthening his Military force and their arsenal of weaponry. They have a large force of Military Troops camped along the Demilitarized zone along their common border with South Korea. Too they are causing Japan much trepidation, genuine anxiety and the fear of being caught-up in any and all provocative actions in that region of the World. President George W. Bush is the only recent President our United States has had with any b___s and conviction to stand tall rather than to cave-in to the World's Dictators. We ought best to support him and politiicians like Senator McCain who speak with genuine concern for and the warranted actions as may be necessary to protect all US Citizens from the threats and actions of terror. Finally, let us remember the lesson learned that there is often the lack of truth from those who finger point at their audience.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6649Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:22:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6649CUTIE-PIECUC I AGREE WITH YOU...MCCAIN TOTALLY A GARBAGE LIKE BUSH...THIS MAN WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING GOOD FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS WELL FOR THE WORLD..! MCCAIN IS ABSOLUTELY PEST..! LIKE BUSHEEH..! I WONDER WHY BUSH CAN'T SLEEP WELL RIGHT NOW, because the Danger posed by the N. Korea is a REAL ONE...! unlike that"IRAQ OR SADDAM MASS BIO-CHEM OR NUCLEAR or whatever you call it" was ALL A LIE...! for the civil war in Iraq BUSH DENIES because HE IS SCARED TO DEATH about THE TRUTH. HE WILL NOT BE SPARED AND FORGIVEN BY "BLESSED PEOPLE" BUT EVEN BY Almighty God for Bush thinking and actions(and his wicked accomplices) so horrible deeds..! AFTER LIFE, What would be waiting for Mccain, Bush and HUNDREDS WICKED CONSPIRATORS (AGAINST IRAQ) IS SURE HELL...! For all the good things coming out from Bush mouth about the LOVE OF FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY are just stage props and everything is A REVERSE CHARACTER. McCain like Bush have nothing in common but just want two-thing POWER AND WEALTH..And like other accomplices both are COLD AND FILTHY AMERICAN POLITICIANS...! McCain is sourgraping...!The very serious trouble about N. korea was very tantamount before Clinton govt. left office. If not of this shit..! monica lewinsky story, manipulated by Clinton's Enemies which is infact the present UNEXCELLENT GOVT.doing...There should be no Iraq War, Israel-Lebanon war( or perhaps Hesbolahh might not have done horrible mistake to stir the anger of Israelites) as well. And Democrats which is good enough to be TRUE to run the US GOVT. and the WORLD...LOST to the DEVIL who succeffully deceived the majority of US CITIZENS. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6650Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:27:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6650DarylWe need to turn out every Republican running on Nov 7, 2006.... We need a balance to these saber rattlers. We wasted our military colateral in Iraq, and now most of our allies believe US........Very very sad. Please vote the Republicans out. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6651Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:29:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6651Mike, TexasI'm still not able to get all the slim off of me from the Bill C admin. I am a disabled Viet Vet and I have witnessed alot of atrosities but nothing like the Kennedys selling out the country followed by Jimmy C and his buying the people a better life by printing new money. Ron R stopped this run away inflation and Bill C the molester came in and lied on national telivison and yet the media gravels around in the dirt to find loose change just to look important to themselves in the mirror. You disgust me, for whatever that's worth. You never servied the country or any one else, just yourselves. As Lincoln said, " we are in a great struggle, testing whether this nation or that nation..... Terroism is a test of resolve and the media has sold out and thrown in with them. Do you really think they are not going to cut your head off right after they do it to your loved ones in front of you first. They do not want you to surrender, they mean to kill you!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6652Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:30:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6652John Doe, Seattle, WashWhy isn't there a greater cross section here? There appears to be one sided views here. The previous elections say that the majority of those voted aren't posting here. It seems like this is a board for the left. Some boards to get bombarded by left wingers attempting to influence the vote.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6653Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:32:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6653Javier, San Francisco, CaSen. McCain has basically echoed the very same comments that Michael Savage made several years back about Clinton's ass kissing towards N. Korea. Had Clinton been tough on North Korea then, this Nuclear test never would have occurred in the first place.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6654Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:32:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6654Arnold Adkisson Fitzgerald GeorgiaYou can't expect the Bush administration for all the problems of the world. When we stopped being the world's police departmen ,we lost most of our clout. Guess who had control of both houses for 70 of the last 100 years? It wasn't the Republican party. Wake up and stop all foreign aid to all countries and use it for real intelligence . If you don't know what your enemy is doing with our give away program we are a third world country.Mankind is an endangered species no matter what we do now.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6656Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:37:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6656Chuck, Chandler, AZI just read all of the responses and noticed NOBODY offered a solution. It was democrates calling the republicans names and vise-versa. Doesn't anybody pay attenion. Why, as a country do we continue to fall for this? Name calling, do nothing "leaders" that we continue to elect. There are close to 300 million folks in this country and we have 2 choices, Democrate or Republican? It is disgusting! Neither of them can fix the problem they BOTH created. We need to elect a true maverick that will speak his mind and doesn't have to make sure it is within their "party" lines before they speak. Wake up America and take back our country! Vote for a third party and show the current idiots in congress that we want something, anything done.......oh, they gave themselves a raise again, how nice! thanks for helping us out!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6657Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:39:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6657Dan BehringFunniest thing I've ever read was here on this forum...that Bush would go down as one of the greatest Presidents of all time. I suppose if you're Al Quieda and looking to recruit you might think so...if you are a sane citizen of this world, however, you will see his politics of selfishness for what they are. And what a shame that a man who seemed honorable, John McCain, has joined the parade of "shift the blame" politicians. I thought maybe he was different, but it's clear that he is just more of the same. I truly can't believe that our troops are dying every day in Iraq and neocons here keep wanting to talk about Monica Lewinski. Get a grip people...this isn't dress rehersal. Bush has led us into extreme peril, and doesn't seem to care. I never thought Hilary Clinton could be elected President, but George Bush, John, McCain, and Dennis Hastert are virtually insuring it at this point. And you know what? It will really be good for this country. And particularly good to know that scum like Hannity, O'Riley, and Limbaugh...who really don't care, and are just lining their pockets by telling neocons what they want to hear...are being rendered so irrelevant by the ineptitude of this president. God bless America...we really need it about now!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6658Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:45:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6658Dennis, New York, New YorkBravo, Senator McCain --finally willing to be critical of those in his own party. I guess that Michael Jordan signed basketball Madeline Halfbright gave Kim Rong Rill didn't work too well. Stay on track, Senator McCain, you may develop a base for '08.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6659Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:45:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6659Ginny----Ofallon,MoBill Clinton will go down in history as one of our best presidents.He worked hard for the American people when he was in office.Who cares if he strayed with a woman while in office.If I remember rightly,so did J F.K.many times.Also F.D. Roosevelt and several others.Clinton was brilliant,well liked around the world and took the job of U.S. president seriously and worked well into the night,which is lots more than we have now with the buffoon we have in office.No one sanctions infidelity but there are worse faults in a leader and one is incompetence for the job.John McCain look out.You have made one heck of a mistake attacking Clinton for Bush's failures.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6660Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:53:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6660Tim Loftis, SLC, UTWow, this is great. I was so incredulous to hear McCain (who I thought, like most, was a maverick with integrity - I own your book, "Why Courage Matters" and was considering backing you in 2008, even though I am a registered Dem) go back to the "blame Clinton" mantra, that I couldn't ignore it. I am so glad to see that almost EVERY response here already says so much that I don't have to take too much of my limited time to speak out to defend my country against such stupidity. I am so glad to see everyone across this country standing up against this continued charade in our leadership. Sen. McCain, I am very sorry to see this side of you. You would do well to pay attention.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6661Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:04:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6661AAI, LV NVYea, Sean Hannity is a "great american"! What a joke! He continues to back this war in Iraq despite the obvious failures of its policies. He continues to spew propaganda to those who do not know history nor read. He is so typical of those who never served a day in a "real war" and proclaim that its our duty to back it; or somehow if you want answers to legitimate questions that somehow it affects the troops. Well, any soldier that has been in battle will tell you that you could care less what the politics back home are doing. All they are concerned about is getting their butts home in one piece. If he is so patriotic, and such a "great american", he is young enough, he should join those brave men and women and back his mouth with his bravado; join Sean! Be a great american and fight for the cause that you think is so valid. No, he will not--because their is the truth then the real "truth" as to why we are in Iraq. (uh, it's to get Saddam out, no it's to give these people a democratic way of life, no it's because they had weapons of mass destruction--yea that's it weapons of mass destruction. Please! Bush 41 and Clinton bombed the hell of Iraq for months--everyone knew that they had nothing left except for some old Soviet planes that could not fly or soviet weapons that were old and could not be repaired because the Soviet Union was broke and became CES countries. Please! "weapons of mass destruction"! Any american who watched the previous 12 years could tell you that it was not possible. But the Boogie Man is easy thing to sell to Americans who don't read and know history. God help they American people! Jeez I wonder how gas prices are falling--(despite the usual time of year, when they raise gas prices because of Winter fuel costs and possible hurricane problems in the oil rich Gulf Region and also BP had a major supply line down) Duh, it's going down---maybe because the rich oil companies need to have the rich Republicans in office. You suppose? So all of you workers who work hard for your money keep voting for those darling Republicans; they will have shopping at WalMart for years to come!!!!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6664Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:18:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6664AAI, LV NVYea, Sean Hannity is a "great American"! What a joke! He continues to back this war in Iraq despite the obvious failures of its policies. He continues to spew propaganda to those who do not know history nor read. He is so typical of those who never served a day in a "real war" and proclaim that it’s our duty to back it; or somehow if you want answers to legitimate questions that somehow it affects the troops. Well, any soldier that has been in battle will tell you that you could care less what the politics back home are doing. All they are concerned about is getting their butts home in one piece. If he is so patriotic, and such a "great American", he is young enough, he should join those brave men and women and back his mouth with his bravado; join Sean! Be a great American and fight for the cause that you think is so valid. No, he will not--because there is the truth then the real "truth" as to why we are in Iraq. (Uh, it's to get Saddam out, no it's to give these people a democratic way of life, no it's because they had weapons of mass destruction--yea that's it weapons of mass destruction. Please! Bush 41 and Clinton bombed the hell of Iraq for months--everyone knew that they had nothing left except for some old Soviet planes that could not fly or Soviet weapons that were old and could not be repaired because the Soviet Union was broke and became CES countries. Please! "Weapons of mass destruction"! Any American who watched the previous 12 years could tell you that it was not possible. But the Boogie Man is easy thing to sell to Americans who don't read and know history. God help the American people! Jeez I wonder how gas prices are falling-- (despite the usual time of year, when they raise gas prices because of Winter fuel costs and possible hurricane problems in the oil rich Gulf Region and also BP had a major supply line down) Duh, it's going down---maybe because the rich oil companies need to have the rich Republicans in office. You suppose? So all of you workers who work hard for your money keep voting for those darling Republicans; they will have you shopping at Wal-Mart for years to come!!!!!! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6665Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:18:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6665Robert Thomas, Clatskanie, OregonLooks like the Bushies are dishing out the carrots to McCain so that he will do their dirty work and attack the Clintons. Wonder what McCain expects in return? The Republican base to love him? Forget 08 McCain, even Republicans are smart enough to see right through you. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6667Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:19:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6667Barbara, Anchorage, AlaskaWOW! The nitwit who calls himself Bill Clinton from NY is the one who needs to wake up. I laughed out loud reading all the stupid cliches he repeated of the loud-mouthed Clinton-haters during the highly productive and peaceful '90's. I wonder, in what respect does he believe Hillary to be pure evil?!! I believe Bush has no notion whatsoever what drives the terrorists in the world that threaten us or North Korea to develop nuclear weapons. We Westerners have oppressed and meddled with the affairs and fortunes of so many countries throughout world for centuries, and now that there's some backlash we act all indignant! This prediction that Bush will go down in history as the greatest president ever is well marked --- and I'm shaking my head in amazement at the incredible lack of understanding.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6668Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:21:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6668Leslie, Denton, TXDid someone mention mud slide? Pull on your hip boots and brace yourselves; it's going to get bumpier. We're all a lot of sheep, and we deserve the shepherd we've got. He won the elections (sort of) due to people's fear of the unknown. Was the devil we knew really better? Surprise, suprise, apparently, not, and as for W going down in the annuls (anals, maybe) of history as one of the greatest... You must be joking. Of course, we may never know since everyone within the "axis of evil" wants us dead. (Can you blame them?) I'm not sure if it's Hilary who'll carry us out of the muck, but someone's got to at least try before Obama has a go of it! I can't wait until I can tell people, "Yep, Texas is a nice place to be from."http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6669Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:26:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6669OMG it can't be !So, Bill Clinton and wife are still the enemy and everything that happens NOW will be the result of what he did then .....wow - I don't even allow my kids to go that far in the blame game. Wake up, the reps in the house are playing with our lives - the draft if it comes will be very real, and it won't be easy to escape to Canada or Mexico this time because they really don't want our problems in their country, so better start signing up for seminary and figuring out what CO stands for in service langauge. Or start applying to colleges OUTTA country, so that it takes longer to get the draft notice. At least with today, because of the media and capturing the words spoken forever on video, history can't be re-written to the satisfaction of the king. I'm seriously worried that the next election will be rigged and that the republicans will stay put - could not trust the results in the last two elections - why I would I trust the republicans with the next ? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6671Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:31:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6671PatriotImpeach Dictator BUSH and all our problems will melt away or at the least reset to a tolerable state.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6673Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:49:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6673Teddy Hurtares, NJFool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me,Dear America how is it possible that we could even consider having a Republican President,Senate or Congress any thing, do you realize how much worse off we are right now compared to when Mr. Clinton was President. If it wasn't because of the interest rates that were at there lowest in 30 to 40 years this country would be in the worst Depression it has ever seen. I will pick Clinton's Era any time over Bush's I believe there would be no terrorism and no war for that matter, he may have been a little too human because of Lewinski but he was a GREAT president.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6674Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:57:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6674James Sitterly,Norwalk,Ohio Sounds like a lot of whining by dems to me.The Clinton era gave Bin Laden the green light,the Koreans a green light and more jobs went to China during his time in office.So who do you trust next time around and I don't want to hear Hillary or Kerry. PS Way to go Jose Pero.Tell them from an observers standpoint.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6675Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:15:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6675Kevin Brewer, Hillsdale, MILets stick to the facts AMERICANS! (Not MR. Argentina!) The republicans have had sole power to do and make changes as they please. There ideas and policies have FAILED! We can point the finger all day long but that is not going to fix our problems. We need to look beyond all this billion dollar payed for annoucments and media and make your decision on what you think is best. Remember that is what makes America Great! Heres some real facts: 1) Middle class America is dying with lost jobs to foreign coutries 2) Some of us think America can be the World Cop but we cant! Were broke! Remember, you cant write checks that you can not cash! 3) Health care is still out of control and retirement is almost a dream. (social secruity failing, and supreme court justices and the federal goverment not honoring Pensions that should be 100% vested)And why the hell do tax payers pay salary and benefits to officials after there gone. And while they are in office they need to co-pay for there benefits like the rest of us!! 4) Oh yea "God Bless America" that was the fundamentals from the beginning of this great institution. Lot of real Americans died for. If you dont like our ways, MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY!!!! I know what I think but, I can't tell you all how to think. Please just register to vote because most of you in America dont!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6676Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:17:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6676mar, northridge, cathe bush administration and the republican party keep on scaring people that they may die because of terorist action. one probably has a better chance of dying just crossing the street. people seem easy to be duped.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6677Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:26:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6677B.D. Kirby Nashville Tnis this the same 68% that thinks the Pre. Bush caused Katrina, and the high cost of gasline, and then engineered the fall of the same.. there is so much fallout after the clinton year as pres. Where would one start at Korea with Truman, then Carter, then clinton.. come on Kerry give us a break, enough of the double talk..http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6678Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:27:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6678Teresa, Boring OregonI think some people need to do some reading. Take a look at the Clinton Admin. see what information they sent to help the Korens develope the weapon in the first place. I am not talking about money here people, I am talking about national secrets. I don't like the Senator either and I wouldn't vote for him but I would love to hear Senator Clinton explain her husbands policies. What I do find interesting is many of you complain about McCain being a Bush clone. What exactly do you think Hillary will be? What we need in office is a balance of power in the house and Senate and a strong forward thinking leader in the White House and quite frankly I don't care what party they are, I just want to see America stand up to the N. Korea's of this world and be a United and strong country like we once were.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6680Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:52:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6680Bert fernandez Weston Fl. 33326Mr.Cling-Tongue was too busy handling Monica to worry about unimportant things like N.Korea. Now what will the leadership in the Demonic party do ? They will ask that Bush do something to stop the Maniac in N.Korea. In defence Of the ex pres. that I have nothing but contempt for, he would not have gotten nothing out out of Mentally ill from Korea. Anyone that thinks you can deal with him is wasting their time. Bush tried to deal with Mr. ill and Mr. ill being the Neurotic that he is kept changing his demands and wanted more and more EXTORTION MONEY. I know that a lot of warm & fuzzy Pin Heads out their will ask that Bush go back to the negotiating table , it wont work! Just like Mr. Insane of Iraq he wants control of the area. This nut sooner or later (no matter) will lob those missiles into S.Korea and Japan just as soon as hes completed his Nukes. Whos fault will it be Clinton or Bush ? I think it will be the same people that enbolden Hitler or Stalin the warm & fuzzy misinformed.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6682Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:58:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6682Dan,Windsor, CAYes we can blame Bush or Clinton for these radical times we are in but how about us as americans that put them into office. We not only need the US to wake up as a country but the rest of the world as well. Instead of pointing fingers Republicans and or Democrats lets unite and find a leader that will lead us without the retaliation of loosing our freedom and our way of life. Now a days it is more about our political party than about what is right and standing up for what is the truth. The UN needs to have a backbone and stand up against North Korea United as a World and address North Korea, Iran, and any country or nation that has alternative agendas.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6683Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:59:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6683Sherwin Chow, NYC., NYSen. McCain is just a spokesman for the Bush Administration. It is high time for Bush and his cronies to stop waging war and rhetoric. Why don't this country mind it's own business instead of causing problems around the world. With past rhetoric of hate and the so called 'axis of evil'statements of this administration, our allies are really holding their heads low. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6684Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:13:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6684Mike, Atlanta, GAYay McCain for telling it like it is! The usual, liberals carrots-only problem solving approach which either fails or worsens problems, be it foreign or domestic. We need realistic, balanced adults like McCain, not well meaning and naive idiots like John Kerry and liberals. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6686Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:37:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6686Dion, Aurora COPoor John, I feel bad for him that he thinks this road he's on will lead him to the white house. He let Bush destroy him, and just to get the hard core right wingers on his side, he's gone mad. Its funny how the Bushies take credit for making us safer but pass the buck when they fail. Six years isn't six seconds. Six years is a long time to take credit or responsibility for everything that happens on your own watch. This includes the Republican controlled congress in that time span. Has Mccain forgotten how to tell the truth too? This is truly disturbing. Again, I feel bad for John. I hope the white house is worth selling your ideals and beliefs down the drown.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6689Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:54:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6689Calvin Salida,ca.I am a die hard republican and this is very sad that the Bush administration has no direction on anything . The american public was lied to about the Iraq WMD and told that Korea was one of the axis of evil. I don't like Senator john kerry but he is so right about those liers in the white house. the madman in korea was making the ultimate mass weapon and Bush and his flunkies were playing games with Saddam. John Mccain has become a embrassing figure in this country to follow Bush after all the stupid things that is happining and all the right wingers need to stop being in denial about this jerk administraton just like I didhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6690Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:05:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6690Darren Hosmon Vienna IllinoisI believe that if our leaders would spend more time sitting down and trying to figure out how we can fix some of these problems instead of critizice each other we would be able to solve some of them. The republicans have gotten us in a mess, but I do not hear what the the democrats are proposing----only bashing bush in the ground. Remember while Bill Clinton was playing loverboy in the White House Mohamid Atta was and his cronies were learning how to fly commercial jets right under our noses. oops! I guess I just bashed the democrats.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6691Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:06:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6691Richard W. Millard, Gilroy, CaliforniaEnough already!! Wake America. We all need to take a hard look at where all of this is going. Each of us need to examine what is most important and take stands. Maybe a third party in office might be just the ticket to get us out of this mess. We need honest clear thinkers who have our best interest at heart and not their own. Wouldn"t it be great if our elected officials actually stood for good-ol American values. Well, I guess I am just dreaming. God bless us all. Richard http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6692Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:07:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6692Max Oilar Largo,Fl.It appears that most of your readers soak up your far left liberal crap.Try reporting the truth, you may even like it.McCain is and will always be a Great Americanhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6693Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:11:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6693Lawrence, Salt Lake City, UT I once thought that John McCain was the answer to the current problems of our country, right up until he sold his soul to the Neocon fascists. What is a true conservative to do, the republicans seem more intent on benefitting their corporate backers so that the economics of the moderate democrats make much more sense. Clintons foreign policy, while not perfect, was much better than the neocon paranoid imperialism. I guess I will probably be voting Hillary in 2008 (not that my vote will make much of a difference in Utah with the electoral college).http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6694Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:51:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6694Geary Smith, Rockland, MaineSo, the rhetoric (read 'mudslinging')begins again. The funny thing is, McCain won't be running against Bill Clinton for president. So why is he attacking him? Should we then criticize any Republican that runs by bringing up follies of Republican president past? Lots of good fodder there! If one is going to sling mud (by the way, most intelligent Americans are sick to death of that grade-school tactic), then at least sling it in the direction of someone who is on the field.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6695Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:59:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6695TONY SMITH HELOTES TEXASLETS TALK LETS TALK SHUT UP STUPID LIBERALS THE COUNTRY IS AT WAR GET A SPINE WHEN THE DRAFT COMES YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HIDE IN COLLEGE AND GET WELFARE GRANTS GET A JOB AND FIGHT FOR AMERICA YOU SILLY PUTZ LONG LIVE THE GREATEST COUNTRY AMERICA GIVE THEM THE TRUTH SENATOR MCCAIN, THEY CAN'T STAND IT WHEN BILLY BOB CLINTON IS EXPOSEDhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6697Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:25:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6697Klaus, Orlando, Florida I think McCain is right and why is Senator Clinton holding up missle defence. Everyone wants to give the Clintons a pass lets remember what they did the last time they were in the White House, they took the dishes and left our country worse off, they helped the North Koreans and China and can not be trusted! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6698Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:30:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6698Tom, Stillwater MNThe demobrats cant stand it when called to the wood shed. The lying babies and their sex pot demi god need to be rounded up and sent to North Korea to clean up the mess they have created. We keep forgeting the other great foreign policy wonders of the Clinton administration, Somalia, Serbia, 2 African embacies, Marine baracks in SA, the USS Kole, hummm the first wwtc bombing. Oh wait they caught a blind Egyptian claric on that one. Oh wait he did wage war on the Waco compound. Thank God for that one.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6699Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:32:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6699JSC Oxford, OhioR.E.M. said it best. It's The End Of The World As We No It. I see the 1960's coming back a Cold War is Starting. As history will repeat its self. You can argue with a crazy man. The U.S. is the worlds Big Brother. We have problems in our own country where our money could be well spent. Some one said You can not bring prosperity at the cost of humanity. I believe the U.S. can survive better by leaving brash countries to there own fate. Any country that would dare strike the U.S. knows the consequences.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6700Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:32:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6700Alexander Hamilton, Brooklyn, NYJust the usual BS from the usual suspects. Everything is Bush's fault. If he announced that he'd just discovered a cancer cure they'd be complaining that he took too long to do it. I pity the poor brainwashed groupthinkers represented by the Hate America, Hate Bush dwindleheads filing many of the comments here.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6704Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:54:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6704Mike MaysDoes Senator McCain come across as a little crazy sometimes or is it just me?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6707Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:12:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6707Adren Bird, Orlando , FloridaThere are other countries involved that the U.S. is trying to get some kind of co-operation from in dealing with North Korea. China and South Korea are dragging their feet. Russia dosen't seem to care much. When the U.S. tries to do something, we are asked why did you do that, then when something happens, we are asked why we didn't we do something. Can we ever be united on dealing with countries that are trying to destroy our way of life?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6708Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:15:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6708Ricardo CravatisThey're both clowns!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6709Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:18:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6709Mrs AngeloI was very shocked to here McCain actually comment on the fact the it was Bill Clinton's legislation that got us into this mess. You know many do not remember this but President Clinton sold our technology which boosted our economy that no one complained when he raised taxes. YES he raised taxes during his legislation. I am not a fan of Clinton nor his wife. They are sneaky and only care about what you can do for them. I am curious to know the real reason why McCain would all of a sudden make these rather honest and accurate comments. OH and Senator Kerry's response was unfounded. Kerry lives in a dream world. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6710Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:18:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6710Mrs AngeloI was very shocked to here McCain actually comment on the fact the it was Bill Clinton's legislation that got us into this mess. You know many do not remember this but President Clinton sold our technology which boosted our economy that no one complained when he raised taxes. YES he raised taxes during his legislation. I am not a fan of Clinton nor his wife. They are sneaky and only care about what you can do for them. I am curious to know the real reason why McCain would all of a sudden make these rather honest and accurate comments. OH and Senator Kerry's response was unfounded. Kerry lives in a dream world. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6711Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:29:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6711PaulI look at all the criticism from the left to the right predominantly and some going back I ask a couple questions. But I must first say thanks to Clinton policy, The United States actually funded the nuclear weapons North Korea now has. Second I must question The inconsistency in criticism on Bush, first he is blamed for taking America into Iraq with out world consensus, and then you criticize him for not sitting down with North Korea alone. And then I must criticize the right for not making a case for what it realy is, which is our world society is not peaceful and we must recognize that a threat of war is always at the end of negotiations, and that is what North Korea is doing. It is clear that North Korea would like to hold America hostage in negotiations over nuclear proliferation. If Clinton were at the table, (Hilary or Bill)we would fall prey to financing yet other rogue countries. But is that so bad So lets look at it historically. There have been two nuclear bombs dropped on a enemy. That event has horrified this world to an extent that an arms race produced no nuclear attack and a peaceful end to a Cold War. Alternatively we have witnessed the Muslim invoke terrorist activity and wars against their own killing millions. And they are doing it with RPGs and suicide bombers. Societies death by a million cuts. I say pick your poison: there is no respect in terrorism; there is a world of respect towards nuclear proliferation. All in the Middle East had nuclear arms capability...would there be a Cold War as opposed to what we have now? The question sounds reckless and dangerous, but is it any more so than the escalating war that began in 1978. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6712Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:30:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6712A Lone Voice, TexasI think DC should be converted back to the swamp from which it sprang. There are no statesmen anymore.. only power hungry Politico's who couldn't find their tails with both hands. Both parties are not free of guilt.. Both are full of scandals and inept leadership. Let those without such cast the first stone.. Nothing will improve until WE The People, take back OUR govt. Rant and rave all you want. It's a simple fact. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6713Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:30:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6713Lanny B. Corbin, KYI bet 30 years from now, republicons will still be trying to blame bill clinton for something. When will the republicons just step up to the plate and take responsibility for there failed policies in dealing with north korea and iraq for that matter. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6714Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:31:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6714Michael Breazeale, Calhoun Falls, SCMcCain had my support and respect for many years as a true American and Honored Veteran....yet during the last two years his entire public persona has changed. He has gone from being one America's true political stars to behaving lately like a cheap Las Vegas Call Girl working for the neo con Bush puppeteers....I worry he has dipped too deep into the Bush koolaide bowl and has become a mindless zombie of the hawks. It is sad to see a real American Hero fall off the wagon and grovel in the dirt like a drunken fool.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6715Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:38:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6715Chuck BoothI can see this is nothing but a bunch of Liberals trying to get their message across and MSN is right there letting them . Shame on you and the guy who said he's a die hard Republican yuk yuk what a joke.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6716Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:40:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6716Gene Gentile, Punta Gorda, FloridaGood God, so many democrats still have their heads stuck in the sand. As for those muslims (that we are so careful not to offend) Their radical terrorists STARTED THE WAR on 9/11 We didnt invade Afganistan or Iraq till after that SNEAK ATTACK(Pearl Harbor expression. The Sudan captured OBL twice and offered him to Bill Clinton and both times Slick Willy said thanks but NO thanks. The Media never asked WHY? Our special ops had OBL in their gunsites but Ol slick said do not execute. Arab philosophy: "IN KINDINESS THERE IS WEAKNESS, IN BRUTALITY THERE IS STRENGTH" Be kind to the Arabs and the will spit in your face. Whack them on the head with a billy club and you will hear a bunch of MENSAHIBE'S (BLESSINGS ON YOU OH BRUTAL ONE). Ask a Arab where their next messiah is coming from and see if they will give you a truthful answer. The Media would never ask that question, they are still defending the liar called Bill about never having had sexual intercourse with that woman. Oral is not sex I guess. Must be true the President said so. Hah! Harry Truman had his detractors, but Harry Truman had the backbone then that GW Bush has today. President Truman only had the japanese to deal with The war was for all practical purposes in Europe so the President didn't have two fronts to fight at the same time. Harry showed backbone by firing: That old soldier that never die's but just fades away. MacArthur. Democrats would rather find a reason to scream without foundation than to keep the war over there. If you are not saying anything that is traitoresk, then there is no fear of being secretly listened to. (Oh yeah this retired spook worked in those arab countries back in the early fifties)FYIhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6717Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:43:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6717Geoffrey Feldman San Juan,PRPleeeze. It's been 6 @@@## years since Clinton was president. Remember "The buck stops here"? The test was Bush's failure not Clinton's. Regardless of any error real or imaginary committed by the Clinton Administration, the Bush administration has had 6 years to correct it!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6718Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:48:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6718GWI hate to say this, but the people of the United States are simple minded. How in the world can they listen and listen to the Repulic parties, telling us whats wrong in the world today, and what they can do to make it improve. Hello is anyone watching? War is not the answer When the President of this once found country was lied to on National Television and turn around and re-elected him back makes me feel sorry for the younger generation of today. (Scared Tactics is a Policey that the republican parties are useing) Wake upPeople and start thinging for yourselves. By the way I am a veteran of the Viet Nam War as well. Sentor McCain you should speak for whats is right and not what your trying to do by bringing false accusations against the former Prestident. You and others like you in all Poltics should debate on your accusation live on national television so people can judge for themselves on. I don't care for back stabbers especially coming from POW. I lost all respect for you. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6719Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:52:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6719Jim Morris, Fort Mill, SCWow. After reading all the posts about McCain/Clinton I'm stunned. You people represent what's wrong with America. I'm sickened by the polarization of the American voter. The people of this country have chosen a "team" (i.e., a political party) and will stick with their team through thick and thin and right or wrong. And how did most Americans come up with a team - almost all chose the team their parents supported. WAKE UP, PEOPLE!!!! IT'S TIME TO STOP BEING FANS. Both administrations are to blame. To suggest Bill Clinton has no responsibility in the North Korea fiasco is absolutely insane. Message to future presidents: Don't make deals with madmen, it might come back to haunt us. The Bush administration dropped the ball on North Korea. Another message to future presidents: If you inherit a problem from a previous administration - deal with it. Message number three, to everyone who responded to this article: When you choose a team and stick with them no matter what - YOU WEAKEN THE COUNTRY!!!! Republicans blame Clinton for everything and they give Bush a free pass. Democrats blame Bush a give Clinton a free pass. If any of you want to fix alot of political problems, then change the way you think. Remember the old saying "Divide and Conquer" - that what's happening to this country. If you want to know who is to blame - look in the mirror. How pathetic.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6720Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:57:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6720Geoffrey Feldman San Juan, PRMike Spease wrote " think the only reason she is running for President is to give her worthless husband Bill the chance at bankrupting the nation for a third or fourth time. " This is saying that day is night, winter is summer! Clinton is the only president who had a budget surplus in my lifetime! Criticize him for anything else but he did not "bankrupt the nation"! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6721Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:58:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6721Coleman MoodyEverything Bill Clinton did was a failure. He had no guts to fight for our Country. The Democracts stand for nothing, no agenda, just complain about everything the Republicans accomplish.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6722Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:02:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6722jim jones, Warner robins, GaBill Clinton didnothing but disgrace the white House and the american people. If you liberals think that we americans are going to forget that- Think again. Kerry is a traitor and should be put on trial as such. He and Jane Fonda are two irds of a feather and they flock together.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6723Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:02:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6723E. Mays Houston TX.Bush has been in office for six years and if John McCain has to go back Six years to find someone to blame for this mess this is a sad day in this country,The Bush administration should stop trying to blame the former administration and fix this mess http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6725Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:07:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6725Barry Smith IIIf the "framing" that the Clinton administration laid down was so bad, well than what has the Bush administration done for the last 6 years? He is actualy blamming Clinton, when they have had control for 6 years?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6726Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:11:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6726Akber A. Kassam. New york City, NYJohn McCain is out of his mind, he himself doesn't know what he is saying. No one is paying any attention. He is looser and always will be. Our former great President Bill Clinton was a a man of candor and humor and directness who's comfortable with responsibility and know how to lead, when he left the office in Januari, 2001, he left a gap in the administration of our government and in the lives of Americans greater than any other political absence in the history of the United States. All Americans without regards to their religion, are grateful to Clinton's leadership, we share his values for freedom, justice and human rights.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6727Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:15:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6727Syd Barringer Dothan, AlabamaIt really does not matter what President Clinton did or did not do. History will show who did the right thing. But if you folks think that the grass is greener on the other side, it's probably because the other side lies over the septic tank. Diplomacy that works isn't microwave popcorn, and when it fails, the soldier, sailor, airman and marine have to clean up the mess.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6728Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:22:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6728james E. PedeIf we would have done what we wanted to do in Korea in the 1950's we would not have the situation we are now in.If we cut and run in Iraq we will have the same results, except it will not be 53 years in the coming, it will be more like 3 years. Senator McCain, you hit a sore spot and the truth hurts. Jim Pede http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6730Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:29:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6730Lori Williams, Augusta, GA Why do politicians always focus on the past and things that former Presidents did or did not do? This is 2006 and new issues arise each day. If they would concentrate on the issues at hand and work towards finding a solutions to those problems we could possibly see some progress. No one person can solve every problem. President Clinton is not to blame for anything. He made some mistakes and he made a lot of progress as well. If I could vote for him again as my president, I would. At least he represented our country well. He has faults just as the everyday average Joe does. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6731Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:31:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6731JD, Middletown, OHThe idea that NK was not a nuclear power before this test was ludicrous. It is accepted by everyone on the left and right that NK had 6-8 nuclear warheads that were developed during the Clinton administration. Kim accepted (for a while) weapons inspectors in one area while the entire world knew he was developing nukes elsewhere. Bravo President-elect McCain for pointing out that that the Democratic policy was just as much, if not more, of a failure.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6732Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:33:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6732T.A. FoyWhen anyone questions the legacy of the Clintons, instead of intelligent discourse fueled by going on-line and researching the historical facts of the allegations, all I see is an attack on anyone who challenges them. I am no Republican, but it is true that the Clintons believed that one could talk ones way out of anything. (Bill actually did!) Stop calling names, stop attacking the challengers and do your homework and let the FACTS fall where they may!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6733Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:34:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6733C NelsenDUH...some people don't know good information when they read it and some people don't recognize leftist blog when they read it! What is expected from leftist run media? What is expected from the blind who don't know nor want to know brail - the information infront of them that they can't decifer? When will people learn to tap into BOTH sides "from the horses mouth" rather than from the donkey trying to spin what the horse (elephant) is actually saying? Read liberal Post AND somewhat conservative Times then do some research as to what was REALLY said...then you can make an accurate decision. Are we too lazy to get ALL the accurate information before making a decision?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6734Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:41:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6734Steve K. Naples, FloridaWhat we should do is: 1. Leave Iraq and let the country destroy itself so the terrorists can take over and have more of an advantage...good idea. 2. "Talk" with Iran and N. Korea, which hasn't worked in the past. Reagan didn't "Talk" with Iran, he dropped the iron fist and they listened. This is what those type of people understand. Iran and N. Korea are like High School bullies, sure you start talking to them, then you give some lunch money, eventually they want more and more, nobody can argue with that. As far as Ex-President Clinton goes, he did what just enough, in his last term, to get out and look as clean as he could. Now we have his wife, who like Kerry, who changes her tune when her own party doesn't like her. At least President Bush sticks to his word. The problem is, the public doesn't know what is going on at the capital, except for what is told on the "News" which is always a bias opinion, no matter what channel you are watching. People think they know everything because it was on the news or an article on the, are you ready, the "Internet" HAHAHAHA All of this scandal, with both parties, have been going on since President George Washington, just nobody knew and there was Patriotism. Unlike today when, instead of people being proud to be an American, everyone is to busy being angry. I heard someone say, a while back, that they don't agree with the war in Iraq, which is fine everyone has an opinion, not disputing that, but this person didn't even support the troops. I have found this more and more. What is wrong with people, everyone is trying so badly to give their own "bias" opinions when if fact none of us really know the truth. Wise up America, this is still the best Country in the world, respect it or leave. If you want a Government run Country go to England. I have family their and they say it's a failed system and will feel bad for us if we go there.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6735Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:41:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6735Frank, OKCYou liberals are preaching to the brothel. I'd love to hang around and chat but I need to get to work and do something productive. Have a Blessed Day, http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6737Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:43:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6737Ron Gardner Reidsville, NCWhether McCain wants a draft or not is not the issue. I believe we need a draft because it is time for every one to pony up in the protection of our country. I am tired of these free loaders using the freedoms and privileges of our country and not contributing to its safety. EVERYONE who is able should be required to pay their part!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6738Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:45:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6738Iris CarterHere we go again!!! Tell me just where the buck's stops??????? Diplomasi is the best way to go, but Bush does not get this. We have been mislead so many times during this administration so now passing the buck nobody believe what they have to say.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6741Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:49:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6741treehugger4x4 Seattle, Wa.Ever try to say "violence never solved anything" while being punched in the face? Wake up liberals, they want to kill you first. p.s. Put down the bong and learn how to spell and proof read.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6742Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:49:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6742Michael BreazealeMisrepresentation...blame the Dems all the way back to Ted Kennedy for the cuurrent state of affairs...this is all the Repubs can do!! They forget Nixon..Spiro Agnew..George Wallace..war criminal Kissinger...Ollie North..Abernoff...the cast of thousands of crooks and criminals the Repubs brought to Washington with them. Now that their ship is sinking like the Titanic..they are still blaming Clinton. Carter, and possibly Willie Nelson for the collapse of the neo con con game that has gone on for the past six years.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6743Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:52:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6743Jaime, Lantana, FLIs anyone else as annoyed with Sen. McCain's lingering presence in politics as I am? First of all, he wailed on Kerry for being a "flip-flopper" after flip-flopping his way from being a Democrat to a Republican. Then, this morning on the Today Show, he said that he pointed a finger at the Clinton administration because he didn't want [the North Korean weapons crisis] to be about pointing the finger. Um......what? And, let's say (for argument's sake) that the Clinton administration was a total failure in its policies with North Korea. Well, Bush and his GOP cronies have had six years to effect change, and look where it's gotten us. How is that successful? Maybe the definition's changed...I don't know.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6744Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:56:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6744Pete C./ NYC Clinton passed the buck with North Korea, the same way he did with trying to cope with Terrorism. Can't we all just get along? If we turn a blind eye, maybe when we wake up the world will be all rainbows and sunshine. The Liberals need some strong coffee, they need to realize that the world is not made up of elite thinkers who can settle anything and everything with dialogue. Our world does have bullies, and very evil people and powers-and someone has to properly deal with them. If a junk yard dog keeps biting people, that dog needs to be gotten rid of-same holds true for Iran, North Korea and the various terrorist factions running about. Wipe them out-not with negotiations-but with powerful force. Regarding the Nuclear situation-obviously we don't want to start a nuclear winter-but we can squeeze the living daylights out of both North Korea and Iran-too bad the weak knee'd, sissy Euro faction, and our liberal left don't have the guts or willpower for it. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6745Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:58:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6745Jason Roche, Peekskill, NYI, too, used to have respect for John McCain, but this is the last straw. This current administration is arrogant and just plain STUPID. As Forrest Gump’s mother would say, “stupid is as stupid does”. Unfortunately the majority of my fellow Americans must be stupid too, because only stupid people would elect stupid leaders. Maybe this is why our founding fathers advocated the separation between church and state. When religious beliefs creep into elections and politics you end up with a government that is afraid of witches and ghosts. People better wake up and face the real issues that affect our lives instead of burying their heads in stupid so called “reality” shows. Where is the patriotism in Corporate America? They want us to fight their wars while they quietly ship our jobs overseas, and hire illegal immigrants to replace the slave labor they once had. Wake up America . . . this is not the same country the baby boomers grew up in, and it’s slipping deeper into an early grave.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6747Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:02:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6747E Kier, NYI like McCain, but this is baloney.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6749Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:04:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6749Nate Thomas, Pittsburgh PAClinton/Bush both have done what they belived in. I think now we as a country need to focus on finishing up in Iraq and Afganistan. We need to take the steps neccesary to actually win these wars instead of doing things the way we are currently are. Instead of being halfway in a war we need to go in hard, strong, and use our smarts. It is neccesary to finish the wars that gave others the ability like North Korea an oportunity to become greater threats, so we are actually cabable of detering situations like this. Iraq is and always was a mistake, and we need to remember this, so we are in a position to deal with real threats to US security instead of creating new ones. McCain, Clinton, and all other politicans have an agenda. They all point the finger and take no responcibility for the world that they shape its all their faults, their collective failures is why we are in the situations we are in now. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6752Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:05:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6752Bill Ebel, Cincinnati, OHThank you Senator McCain for putting accountability where it belongs. The Clinton policy failed, plain and simple. The Dems like to criticize and complain about Bush, but they don't have any solutions besides sticking their heads in the sand and hoping nothing bad happens while they're in power. A Clinton policy of appeasement did not solve anything. It only "passed the buck" till they were out of office and didn't have to deal with the problem. Say what you want about Bush, but a least he is dealing with the problem.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6755Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:08:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6755Joe Garvey, charlotte, ncI used to think McCain wasnt that bad. That was then. I know the draft is coming again, soon. Even if Dems get elected, there will be so much war to deal with, thanks to the repubs. (Its what they wanted in the first place) it's as if Joe McCarthy had been elected. I am a man, but sometimes i think, if gals were in charge, would the world be better off? Condi scares me cause she's such a pawn in the hands of repubs. But can't we find someone better than Hillary? Most females that I've talked to think she is total phoney. (they all are, but she apparenely doesnt have the ability to fool enough of the people in order to get elected. I thought Gore was fine, but we the people thought he was boring. I will taking boring over war-mongering any day. With all the Dem actors in Hollywood, why can't we come up with a charismatic Anti-Reagan? I like Joe Biden. He's positive and smart, though a bit aged. But he looks younger than McCain. But you know, until we get them to stop the election fraud, what does it matter who we vote for. Al Gore should be our pres now.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6758Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:10:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6758Jennifer T, Cleburne, Tx.You people better wake up. It will be our "own people" that will be the downfall of us. We are suppose to be united. We need to pull to together. The first thing we need to do is put the main man up above back into everyone's life. Each and everyone of you need to remember who is really watching.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6761Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:13:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6761Robert Stiles, Washington, DCPeople, We have a President who refuses to take any blame when things go wrong and full responsibility when things go right. This is not the definition of a leader but a politician. President Bush has done nothing to make this country safer. His efforts have only made terrorism worst. I totally agree that we needed to go into Afghanistan but Iraq was a smoke screen to keep his popularity up. To this day we have found no WMDs and he has yet to take any responsibility. He invaded this country while countries like Iraq and N. Korea sat on the sidelines, laughed, and progressed their nuclear programs. He and his party preach strong family values while the Republican party covered up for years Foley's improper conduct with pages. I know everyone has skeletons and no one is perfect. What bothers me is when people act if they are perfect and point fingers at the rest of us and when they are caught, don't take any responsibility. We need a true leader whether that person is a Republican or a Democratic. I just wish I could see one out there. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6762Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:16:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6762Dona J. Buckmann, Virginia Beach, VAIt appears the "Dem"-agogues" will be only getting louder into the next Presidential election cycle. Unfortunately, most Americans are lazy and will not bother to educate themselves or even do limited research on any topic before making and spewing opinions as evidenced by several of the comments on this board. Their opinions will be made and based on the 15-second sound bites the Communist News Network (CNN) feeds them and they will eat every spoonful gleefully while wearing their foggy glasses of denial and hatred. Even the most precursory “google” on Clinton, North Korea, and policy while looking for dates of his Presidency reveal facts of a failed policy, but wait that takes time, effort and worst of all “reading” with an “open” mind.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6764Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:17:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6764PubliusThis discussion about McCain's comments (which are factual) is a very worrisome indicator of how short the memory of the American public is. I suspect in the case of many commenting here, intentionally so. The Clinton Administration (with a little help from Jimmy Carter) got the United States into an agreement that led to the situation we are dealing with today. I hear a lot of talk about shifting blame, but that is exactly what is happening when you willfully ignore the fact that the Clinton Administration provided North Korea the tools needed to produce Nuclear Weapons. Regardless of the spin and endless attempt to blame every problem that exists on the current administration, the facts are the facts. North Korea has the capability of producing Nuclear Weapons, as a direct result of actions of the Clinton Administration, not because of inaction of the Bush Administration. While aggressive military action could possibly stopped the North Korean’s flagrant violation of all Clinton-orchestrated agreements, I am certain the same critics attempting to rewrite history here would be condemning President Bush for taking such an action. This shameful, and willful distortion of history exhibited by Senators Clinton, and Kerry, and parroted here is reprehensible. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6765Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:18:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6765Douglas PattonDemocrat or Republican, Some of us just want a politician who understands that in a war there are certain things that must be done to win that war. War is not nice. Our enemies understand that to win a war you must make the civillian population suffer and tire of war. With all of the antiwar pussies in the USA it doesn't take much for our enemies to defeat us. We need a leader who understands that in order to win we need to not only kill our enemies but their families also. Prisoners of war from countries at war need to be treated with the full benefits of the Geneva convention as the USA is a part of that agreement. Prisoners of pirate groups or terrorists bands get what they have coming to them. As a rule of thumb we should treat pirates and terrorists as they treat others. If they chop heads off with pocket knifes while their prisoners are held screaming in pain by 5 terrorist bastard then we as Americans need to figure out something about 10 times worse for them. Otherwise all of you pussies need to get you copy of the Koran and start reading it now.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6766Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:19:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6766Steve, Lincoln, NeI never had respect for McCain, but with this statement for the first time I do. Wakeup, why are are you snippinng about who said and who did what. This is a serious threat and it is time to stop with the politics and work towards a solution. The democrates better relize it is time to work as a team to come with a solution rather than sit with their hands folded and critize everything Bush does. Where is there answers? They have not presented any to any problem except talk. They can keep pointing fingers right through North Korea aiming and firing the nuke at us.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6767Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:21:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6767Alex Quin, New York, NYAlthough I am a Democrat, I have always admired John McCain for going against his party and confronting controversial issues that I see as being very important. It is very sad to see him become a typical rank and file Replublican politician who will say anything t this stage in the game to advance his career. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6770Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:24:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6770DennisYou all are dam stupid to think that Mccain and to an extend Liberman are saints. They are politicians first.Its only when they find themselves in difficult situations before you will know their true nature. They are not the statesmen they want you to think they are. I have watched daily as foolish congressional dems with no backbone continue to take cover behind chessman- McCain on several issues blindly,giving him unnecessary and undeserved popularity. What was the outcome of the toture Bill? Who worn? Bush or McCain? The United states does not need another war monger at this time. We need some one who will clean up the mess, Make peace with all or atleast most of our enemies: Cuba, N.Korea, Iran, Syria, Venezuela etc.Most of them really like us and will want to be our friends but lack the trust. We cannot fight the whole world.If we can be friends to China and Pakistan then we can be friend to every onehttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6771Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:25:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6771Your MamaNOW HERE IS SOMETHING REALLY STUPID FOR YOU. Some of you people posting here actually think anyone reads your words of wit. Winning an argument with someone on the internet is akin to winning a race with a handicapped person at a Special Olympics function. What have you really accomplished. Does it make you feel better?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6774Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:37:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6774Chad Fisher DeRidder, LAI believe it is great to hear all these critics, knock SEN. McCain. I am a Soldier and support the president and never will understand why people hire someone and will not allow them to do the job. What is so great about this country is that everyone can complain and critisize and never really do anything about anything, and when someone does stand up for what is right you get to complain. I am proud to serve such hypocites. Thank you for allowing me to serve you while you complain.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6776Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:44:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6776Scott, San Antonio, TXIt's somewhat amusing hearing the term moral/Clinton together, there should be a law against that! Talking to terrorists to solve problems. thats very good, always worked in the past.(BS!!!) You go McCain! Freedom has never been free and anybody stupid enough not to believe that shouldn't call themselves Americans! This war has been in the making threw many administrations, but we finally elected an administration that would attempt to force, (thats rigth) force other countries to sh-- or get off the pot! This will take time, these countries have to change from the side of power-terror to the weaker (but strengthening) side Anti-terror. I humbly thank and pray for our military service people and their families for their true moral and fisical support of democracy. My heart goes out to the 2000+ military who gave their lives in Iraq thus far, They are AMERICAN HEROS! They also gave all the wimps here the opportunity or the freedom to flap their lips against the cause of democracy and for terrorism, freedom is wonderful. I hope there are enough people to continue the fight for your freedom, God knows who doesn't have the guts to standup for themselves. I'm sure if Bush would have talked to and bought the terrorists of 911 dinner, they would have changed their minds about killing 3000+ victims that day. Wake up America!!!! the Bush administration has taken a hardline policy that should have never been dropped after WWII. I thank the Republicans for reinstalling these policies, even though the public poles are not in their favor. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6779Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:50:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6779K.B. San Diego, CAThank you Bill Clinton of N.Y. It's pathetic how many idiot Dems there are out there who forget just who it was soliciting B.J.'s from a one White House intern. And what ex-pres did little to nothing after the U.S.S. Cole except drop a couple bombs all the while he asked the American public "well it depends on what you interpretation of "IT" is". Crimeny people, wake up and get a life. Kerry is about the biggest idiot that walked the face of the earth spouting "I have a plan!!" for this and the next day spouting "I have a plan!!" for this too. Hell, even the long time democrats in my family who NEVER in their life once voted Republican were smart enough to see what a joke Kerry was and voted against him in 2004. Even the DEMOCRATS in office agreed after 9/11 that it's a good thing Bush was the one in office because Gore would have been clueless. He would have had to go check his "Lockbox" for the answer!!! Grow some integrity people. At least the Bushes have some which is extremely hard to say about his predecessors and all the crap they cleaned out of the White House when they left. Not to mention the tarnish Billy boy left in all the rooms where he spent his quality time with Monica. If anyone is spewing politics it's Hil-LEARY. And believe me, she is one to be extremely LEARY of. God help us if we have an idiot like her that gets to the Oval Office. I choose to believe that the American public is really not that stupid but reading some of these comments it's scary to see just how many of you are out there.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6781Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:51:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6781Henry, Beacon Hill, FLI wonder why the repubs are putting forth that the dems are the party of hate? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? For myself, and I speak only for myself, I am a liberal and proud of it. I believe in the one doccument that everyone should. No, it is not theological in nature. It is The Constitution of the United States. I see the shortcommings of this country and I believe that we can do better, if we only try to live up to the ideals of the Constitution. Ok, go ahead, attack me on that now.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6783Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:53:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6783Brandon Holmes, Pittsburgh, Pa(sigh) Here we go again. It usually starts with The Bush Administration getting blamed for something and not stopping it. Then, the blame goes back to The Clinton Administration for starting it in the first place. Then, the Democrats get involved and bash President Bush, and then Republicans resort to bashing former President Clinton. What a waste of energy. When are we going to wake up and realize that this pointless bickering is not only being read and heard by the Amrican people, but also by the rest of the planet? If the public is getting disgusted by it, imagine what our enemies are thinking! Can both parties just get together and find a solution instead of worrying about who started what and who didn't end it? I think it's necessary for all involved to stop the blame game and concentrate their efforts into stopping North Korea from becoming the next global threat. Japan has already taken steps to hurt North Korea's import/export economy and we need to do the same and much more. The clock's ticking, Dems and Reps.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6784Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:54:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6784Marianne MitchellFirst of all our country was founded on freedom and on the belief in God and that is why we have the richest country in the world. I don't only mean in dollars I mean in soil the soil that grows grains, fruit vegetables and people who love the one true God and whenever you have a country that believes that first and formost they will be sought after to destroy!!When all is said and done what we all want is that freedom. The freedom to choose who we vote for who we believe is the closest person to our spiritual values. If we want to continue to have those freedoms we are going to have to fight. If we lay down we will all be dead. The Iraq's would love nothing more that to have our soil. Korea would love the same thing. And on and on and any country that does not have what we have and that's the MAJORITY believing in the SAME God. And where ever you have that you are going to have the strife that we've been having. If we give up that belief that God will take care of us our crops will die our land will become unfit and death and destruction will be everywhere. What happened to the day when in our parents generation all young men enlisted? When this country held together not because of political party but because of respect for the greatest country in the world? We fought hard but we've lost even harder and even more. Our moral fiber that this country was founded on is slowly going to those who have other ideas who THINK they have better ideas than the one's God had. Before you vote for anything think long and think hard. Does the person your voting for have the same moral beliefs that you do? Is what they believe what God's Word says is right? Who are any of us to think our "ideas" are greater than His? Is not working and excepting welfare of God? (When your able to work of course)God's Word says "if you don't work, you shouldn't eat) Is giving in to your sexual desires of God? If you vote for someone who does that your directly going against what this country was founded on and you'll have to answer for that one. I find Sen. McCain the closest to my beliefs I find Hillary as someone who will cause this country to eat away at the moral fiber and that just sickens me.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6791Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:11:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6791Gary , Tulsa OklahomaI am out MSN all you have here is a forum for uneducated Markist Socalist liberal appeasers. These people are so dumb that it is truely freightening. We can thank government schools for that. Do we really believe that it is just an innocent oversite that we don't teach economics or critically study political philosophies in the public schools. I think not. To all you liberals out there, if you want to see how socalist countries turn out just look at the formmer USSR, Cuba, or N. Korea. Thats what you will get and no one deserves it more that you idiots. As for me it is live free or die. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6793Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:18:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6793Roger, Geneva, SwitzerlandYour whole political process isnt working. The whole party system is flawed. Maybe just let any one run for any office instead of having primaries. If 50 people want to run, just have a vote and if no 1 candidate gets 50%, then let the top 2 have a runoff. It is still only 2 elections as you have now, except there will be so many candidates, it will be difficult for corporations or special interest groups to buy anyone until they are actually voted in. This way there wont be any rediculous campaign pay back needed and the country's business can be conducted without prejudice. Oh wait, god forbid americans have to compete on a level playing field. Lets face it, the new american credo should be, "If your not cheating, your not trying" based on your last presidential election and the way your corporate executive suck the lifesblood out of your working people (i.e. taking huge bonus' by manipulating option strike prices when their companies performance is subpar, etc...). By the way, the above suggestion is how a real democracy works. Your counry has mutated into something that is no longer recognizable. It almost looks like ancient Rome. You have 1 class of people telling another class of people to go fight while they stay home and get fatter and fatter. Only a matter of time before america is a distant memory if it doesnt change. Good Luck.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6794Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:23:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6794MB, RIHenry from Beacon Hill, you should say "caliing the kettle Afican American", not Black. The Repubs are sensitive about being racists.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6795Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:26:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6795Kathy Ward Johnson City TNHas anyone read Howard Zinn "The People's History of the United States? Unfortunately we are products of our textbooks, television affiliates, newspapers and political parties. So many still blame 9/11 for our current war and forget or ignore the facts. We don't even recognize the variations of "truth" our media gave us for OK City. Before the confrontation began the pundits searched for a catchy name. Perhaps operation Iraqi Liberation. But wait the letters spell OIL... Look back on our wars. Somebody has always made BIG money. But it wasn't the people fighting them. Bush has an agenda. He will use anyone he wants. He has taken your liberties with your approval. While he pretends to make you safer he has destabalized Asia. Oil will stay down until Nov. 7 fill up all you can.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6800Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:46:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6800Brian PlyI still hold a great deal of respect for Sen. John McCain for his service in Vietnam, the Senate and as a leader within the Republican Party in trying to drive entrenched conservatives to reality. Reality dictates, that all politicians, whether Democrat (especially Democrat) or Republican will prostitute themselves to have access to the established political machine that will get them elected or re-elected. Pandering to the Bush political organization will give McCain the grass root and big money orgaization enabling to drive his nomination as the Republican candidate. Do not be decieved into thinking that he is really "sucking up" to President Bush or his administration. He is still a outspoken critic of detainee rights, prisoner abuses and the administration (especially Donald Rumsfeld) in its application of the military in Iraq. Like Joe Biden (another erstwhile presidential hopeful), he is making his face and centrist opinion widely known virtually every Sunday on the TV networks. Some of the respondents are notably liberal and probable Hillary supporters. Sad. She is not her husband and like the rest of the Democrats is long on rhetoric and short on substance. What are her solutions? What are her goals? Does the Democratic Party have a direction other than pandering to those of organized labor, disfunctional minorities and defeatist non-conformists? Don't get me wrong. I wish the Democratic Party would move towards the centrism of the later stages of the Clinton administration, become more realistic about the needed application of military power and avoid the downgrading of the U.S. Armed Forces that precipitated part of our current woes. Let's hear some real solutions to the Korean problem, Islamic fundamentalism, sustainable and legal immigration, corporate responsibility, outsourcing and the degradation of the American middle class. Let's face it. They don't have any solutions. If not on these issues; what about dealing with China, Korea or Pakistan. We come up empty again. Botton line is not to be critical on just one side when both are sorely lacking.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6813Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:36:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6813Norm Pierce, Phoenix, ArizonaMcCain used to be a good Senator whom I voted for. Now he thinks he's a national spokesperson. I guess that goes with having aspirations for the Presidency. Well I now think he's nothing short of an old broken down shell of what he once was, which may not, looking back, have been very much. It appears politicians are all the same. Anyone who votes for him must not have any other choice, but a no vote is a legitimate choice. If you do vote for him you'll deserve what you get.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6821Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:54:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6821Citizen of RomePublius - well spoken lies are still lies.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6831Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:24:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6831Owen Vander, Evansville, INSomeone please define 'conservative beliefs' for me? Then honestly compare those beliefs with what the Repugs have actually given us since they took control of the House, Senate then Presidency. Our fearless leader and the rest of his criminal crew are not conservatives, they talk the talk,walk the walk then stick it right in their own constituents when it is expedient. The Demos did the same thing when they had total control of the federal gov't, so all you rabid Bushies can hold your venom, I agree with you on their record too. Our nation needs to have HONEST leaders, ones who tell us what they are going to do, then do it. Most important in this exercise is they take responsibility not only for their successes but also for their failures. The blame game is counterproductive, it sets us upon each other, wasting time, pointing fingers while the rest of the world passes us by. Yes Pres Clinton lied about Monica. Pres Bush has lied about so many things, it is discusting to even make a list. Morality by our leaders in the past 14 years has been a ZERO. I am at the point where I would be inclined to vote for the HONEST person, regardless of their stands on the issues. There is but one problem with this little stand of mine, politicians are dishonest liars by definition. I unfortunately am a dreamer. Vote your consciencious and hope those you vote for have one. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6837Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:08:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6837Jose Pero, Buenos Aires, ArgentinaIn my house my wife sees old movies; my daughter likes the Democrats and for the majority of my friends they don’t have interest in politics. To me I like to follow the process in which we live. I coincide that the mutual attacks are a waist of time and I am in favor of working....in solutions. That’s what we taxpayers pay the politicians for. Ours descending deserve it. For the fellow that call me Mr.Argentina I would like to tell him that I am American citizen living in Buenos Aires. God bless America http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6842Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:16:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6842Waldoo, Portland, ORIs anyone reading this blog or are we all just mudslinging? Has anyone learned anything? Are any of you running for office? I was kinda hoping to learn something here. Mostly what I saw was Clinton/Bush-haters. Let me state for the record that George Bush is one of the 50 BEST Presidents we've ever had. (Yes, you can use that.) Actually, my biggest concern is that, after almost 6 years Clinton is still getting blamed by the Republicans for everything. Come on people! Do you remember Reagan blaming Carter, Bush 41 blaming Reagan, or Clinton blaming Bush 41? So I ask, where does all the finger-pointing come from? Republicans? Democrats? NO. . .FROM PROBLEMS AND CRISES! Maybe, just maybe, a problem could be solved without blaming the past administration. Instead we have blame and no solution. And oh yeah, Bush sucks.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6844Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:22:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6844LIBERAL DEMOCRAT, COLORADO I'm a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT and proud of it!!! I love how republicans like to use the word LIBERAL as if it were a bad word. The definition of a LIBERAL is: Tolerant of opponent's opinion, broad-mindedness, tolerant of change, favoring reform and progress. If I'm known by this definition I'm happy! If you don't believe me look it up! A Liberal is something a Republican will never be! The opposite of this definition defines a Republican. NOT tolerant of oppenent's opinion, NOT broad-minded, NOT tolerant of change, NOT favoring reform and progress. STAY THE COURSE! Sounds familiar!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6846Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:38:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6846Marc Clakley, Los Angeles, CaliforniaI used to respect Sen. John McCain, but the closer we get to 2008 the more he spouts off Bush rhetoric. I am disapointed that he is not the visionary we thought he could be. With talk like this, Democrats will not only control Congress, but will win the White House in 2008. Rethink your platform Mr. McCain.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6848Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:46:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6848Waldoo, Portland, ORLastly, as I really should be working too, I recently saw in the news that we have hit 300 Million in our population. That's alot of Americans. An earlier poster has noted that more people died from the flu last year than our soldiers killed in Iraq. That poster was using that statistic to show that the war is not going that badly. I would like to add that statistic to that of our new population and ask, what the heck are we all scared about? (This is poorly written, I know.) Other posters have stated that the terrorists want to kill us/chop off our heads/etc. Well, there are alot of wack-o's IN Ameria that want to do that all the time. The terrorists will never murder as many of us as we do. There are 300 Million of us. The way to beat the terrorists, the Kim Jong-Ils and all other dictators/oppressors of the world is to demand to be free and to show them that they are insignificant compared to poverty, ignorance, infection, mental illness and all of the other plagues on humanity.(Again, poorly written, but I hope you get the point.) We are many, with bigger problems than terrorists. And, oh yeah, Bush sucks. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6852Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:55:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6852Gshew,Columbia,tnI only hope that all these comments are forwarded to John McCain so maybe he can stop throwing his mouth in gear when his brain is in neutral. Oh by the way John you can stop now you will never get elected after all these years people finally can see through you, I only hope they remember you signed and left fellow soldiers behind.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6857Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:29:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6857We R Screwed"One could draw the conclusion that (Rumsfelds) economic and personal interests took precedent over non-proliferation," said Steve LaMontagne, an analyst with the Centre for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation in Washington. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/09/1052280441337.htmlhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6860Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:52:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6860JaimeTo Fake Bill Clinton in New York: There's a LOT of material to argue against in your comments. But, I'll stick with a simple disapproval of one of your "facts." So, FOX news is the only one reporting the truth? Wow, I really must have been in a deep sleep when Foley became a Democrat. Sorry you missed that one!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6873Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:50:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6873Lisa, Mesa, AZThanks to everyone for the postings. It has given me great hope that our country is waking up before we become the ridicule of the rest of the world. We owe our children the opportunity to live in a democratic, safe environment and are squandring it by making them unsafe in our schools, as well as around the world because we have come across so arrogantly as the bully in the China shop and think violence is the only solution to complex issues. I would also welcome healthy debate from the Republican spectrum vs. comments that are focused solely on name calling, personal attacks, and ridiculing others for their spelling errors, etc. I am sure we can all learn from each other and turn this around for the future of our nation. We owe nothing less to our country, our forefathers, to our troops whom risk their lives every day (be it for the right reasons or not - they are sticking their necks out), and the many innocent lives lost in Iraq. I hope that we hold future leaders accountable for thinking through their decisions before sending our troops into a nonsensical war over oil and false pride that fails to say we need a course correction.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6874Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:55:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6874Leon RussFor the poster who said, "Bravo, Senator McCain. I agree that we need a large military presence. Sound(s) like he supports re-instating the draft." YOU ARE WRONG. At a Rally for Veteran's in Spartanburg, SC, Mcain stated, “We have to have a larger Army and Marine Corps. It is absolutely essential because we are asking the Guard to do things that we never asked them to do before. They are doing it magnificently, but it’s just too much.” He went on to say that a draft wasn’t the answer. He stated, “There are enough patriotic Americans out there to recruit” the 100,00 more Army and Marine Corps personnel he feels are needed. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6901Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:57:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6901John Doe, Seattle, WashSo, What have we said? What have we done? NOTHING blaa, blaa, blaa, sounds like Charlie Brown on the phone. He said! She said! Say your prayers, Lace up your boots and do something! If political party is an issue think INDEPUBLICRAT "No Bounds" United We Stand Divided We Fall. "Cover your eyes this is gonna hurt"http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6903Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:26:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6903Joe Gladden: White Bear Lake,MN I feel I am "finally" getting a better understanding for the overall Republican mindset! It gets easier to comprehend the true nature of what is on your very small minds when I keep reading these "sleazy" right wing electronic post-it-notes. Hardly any of the Republicans who have posted on this board have managed to get through an entire sentence without a spelling or diction error, and the content of what most of you have to say is abysmal, "hate-speech". Is it any wonder why The Democratic Party is seen as the party of intellect and ideas and the Republicans are viewed as Right Wing Thugs who would teach creationism (utter nonsense) to our children and start WW III in the process? Yes, it's very obvious. The Groping Old Pedophile Party LOOSES in Nov., so get used to your new leadership Republicans! I smell impeachment...and it couldn't happen to a more deserving liar. :) http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6920Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:20:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6920H Nguyen, CaThis is NOT about democrat or republican. This is about competency and leadership. As a leader, one should be held responsibilem and one should not act immaturely like pointing fingers to blame others for one's own failure. This is NOT about fact or opinion. This is about whether or not you are any safer now than you are lead to believe. Leadership is measured by how much people respect or admire you.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6922Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:49:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6922Jane, Southern MississippiI do believe that both political parties are guilty of dividing our country. And like a previous poster, we are being divided and conquered by the big corporations who own the media and the politicians. No matter what political party wins, we will be losers. However, big business will be winners ALWAYS. They are the ones in control. Neither political party cares a rat's ass for the American people. They answer to the people who are responsible for electing them - and it's sad to say that it's not US. Our votes don't count anymore. We don't count anymore. Just big business keeping their big bucks, at all costs. That is all that matters anymore.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6928Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:40:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6928Alfred McCarthy Eagle River. AlaskaJohn McCain get props on this one. This North Korea situation is just one more instance of George Bush cleaning up the incompetence and Culture of Coruption of the Clinton Administration. Clinton and Carter are tied for the title of the worse president in our history http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#6930Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:04:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:6930Charles Lindy CusterHere's one to think about- -Bill Clinton on the Democratic ticket in 2008. I know, he's had his two terms, but- -he would only do this with Hilary- -and that is run as the Vice-President candidate. In reality we would wind up with Co-Presidents. The Clinton years were the prosperous years and we sure don't need McCain in the White House. Bush sure ate up the surplus that the Clinton Administration built up. Hilary & Bill in 2008 !!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#7016Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:07:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7016Joe Gladden: White Bear Lake, MN Thats the ticket!!! I would quit my day job to work full time for a Hillary & Bill ticket in 08!! I know MILLIONS of Americans would be right there with me and you know what....they would win! In addition to the fab duo being back in the White House (for 8 years), it would be so nice to have a permenant Democratic majority in Congress after this election too, so I suggest the Democrats get straight to work on helping the States redraw their districts to their advantage. Umm, just like the Rethuglicans did under that crook, Tom Delay. If they had not redrawn the districts in so many states, we would not have a Republican controlled Congress today. Once again, Republicans had to do it by under handed gerrymandering. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#7213Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:59:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7213Jeff Tyle spring TexasI often wonder ,if no child left behind can help to educate a voting bloc of ignorant partsans to the facts of life in America today.Our moral majorty has trounced the constitution and destroyed U.S. credibility around the world .Remember the constitution? that was our rule book. maybe its time for a new robust nonsectarian political party...we might just call it the American party..raise Americas spirit again be the beacon of hope and faith we once were,more importnatly be kinder to each other when voicing and not stiffling decenthttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#7223Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:49:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7223Gayle NiemeyerRepublicans can rant and rave all they wish but if Bill Clinton ran for President again today, he'd win. Face it. He would! Our world would be one hell of a lot better off, too. And all of you people who want a draft etc, why don't you join the service so that we won't have to institute a draft?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#7319Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:08:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7319JD, VirginiaWhat a shame. To watch Senator McCain and Secretary Powell,the very two people in public life who know more than most about honor, acquiesce to the rantings of a madman. McCain is savaged during a campaign only to become an apologist for the most dangerous policy blunder in our nation's history. Powell, contrary to his own moral compass, allows himself to become the frontman for a freakshow that has abandoned all truth and dignity, and any remnants of respect for the very soldiers he so dearly loves. So sad.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#7360Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:33:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7360Josh Rob, Carlisle, paI cannot wait for the 2008 election, maybe by then our voting machines will be fixed. John Mccain is a joke, talk about a flip-flopper on the issues. He makes John Kerry look like a viable canidate. I used to have such hope for Mccain and saw him as a rebel and now he is a coward in my book. We need a change ...now.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#8097Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:15:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8097Michael, Cleveland, OHMcCain does NOT support a draft. While I agree we need a larger military, forcing people that do not want to serve our country militarily is not the best way of meeting this goal. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#8218Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:06:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8218Raul A. manginsay seattle, washingtonwhat the president and John mcCain know about world that surround them?except whining about their opposition.they worry about terorist and Iraq,they know were they're at.they just afraid to lose their interest and the middle east.I think if I were of them Ill send intelligence in part of asia.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#8526Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:02:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8526Tim BanzhofA guy from Texas earlier pointed out "It's been 8 years since Clinton was in office. How much time has to pass before blame begins to be assigned where it belongs?". How true! John McCain is the ONLY politician I ever gave a nickel to, and to see him licking Bush's boot like this sickens me. He had it right back in 2000 when he stood up to the Falwell's and that ilk, now he has it backwards and it is a sad testament to how the GOP operates today and what people will do to get elevted. I grieve for Sen. John McCain, I think he is another good man who lost his way in American politics.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#8544Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:37:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8544AAITo Marianne M: You speak of God--but let's not forget about our Saviour, Jesus. What would Jesus say about our honorable wars of past and present. Would Jesus be doing what Mr. Bush is doing? Uh, probably not. So, if you are a Christian, ask yourself one question--What would Jesus do?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#8559Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:27:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8559ANNETTE; BAD HONNEF; GERMANY to MR . TOM Edmonds : JOSEPH GOEBBELS IS THE NAME OF HITLERS PROPAGANDA MINISTER NOT JOSEPH GERBLES !!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#8798Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:08:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8798Chris C. Bodziony, Palmer, AlaskaTo attack a man one has never met is unwise; to take past actions never repeated as the basis for a proclamation intending to deprecate his character is worse. The best man is the one who can bow gracefully out of a race he has lost, and then put his shoulder to the wheel with the rest of the team. This is what Sen. McCain did, acknolwedging the fact that he lost to Pres. Bush and backing the new leader of the team. By not attacking Pres. Bush, Sen. McCain allowed the next 'battle for the presidency' to fought how it should have been: between the opposing sides, not within camps ("And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand" Mark 3:25). Bitterness within the camp would only have hurt the chance Pres. Bush had to enter the Presidency; only a fool would have done otherwise. The backing of Sen. McCain of Pres. Bush as recorded in this article indicates a man of great character that should be found more often among those in politics.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#9311Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:37:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:9311Steve Burton, Southwestern VAWhat planet are some of you people living on? To say that if Bill Clinton would have attacked North Korea all of the current problems would not exist, is laughable. The military planners inside the Clinton administration knew the same thing the current crew does. North Korea has had a huge conventional military for a long time. And ,in 1994, any American attack would have meant a conflagration of epic proportions for South Korea and for our soldiers stationed there. If you can fault Clinton for not attacking during his terms then what about Bush 43? He has had all this time to deal with Kim Jong Il. Why no attack? Because the loss of South Korean life and of American soldiers would be a human and political disaster. I don't often give the Bush administration credit for anything but at least someone in that nest of vipers has been smart enough not to pursue such a disastrous course of action. Clinton was accused of "wag the dog" during several limited military engagements by the Congressional Republican majority. And Mr. Sean Hannity was ensconced on Fox News spouting such execrable sentiments as,"we support the troops but not the President." And several in Congress were right in step with Hannity. This on a network that seeks to sell itself as "fair and balanced." He, and they, could have at least said that they didn't support the policy. But they made it personal. Clinton was definitely a target. And the plottings of an unindicted Watergate co-conspirator and the wretched Ms. Tripp to ensnare our 42nd President in his own zipper was nothing more than an attempt to overturn the will of the people. Bill Clinton was elected twice. No Supreme Court rulings to stop recounts. And the blue and red nonsense was not in evidence. Clinton won over 30 states both times and won a small landslide in the electoral college in 1996. Impeachment proceedings were the only way to undo the results of the 2 elections that he won. And during the run-up to impeachment there was a brewing controversy about Gore holding "coffees" with large contributors. Even calls for an independent counsel to investigate. Clearly the Republicans were looking to take out both Clinton and Gore. But a funny thing happened on the way to the Forum. A hillbilly pornographer, in the person of Larry Flynt, exposed the Republican hierarchy for their own bedroom peccadilloes. And swayed public opinion against Clinton leaving office. And the Republicans seemed to lose some of their fervor for the impeachment once it became clear that Flynt would keep the sleaze cycle going indefinitely. Think about the premise of the Clinton impeachment. A President duly elected with pluralities in both national vote and electoral college was going to be removed from office because he lied about a bj from an intern. The intern was not the complainant in the sexual harassment lawsuit, Paula Jones was the plaintiff. BTW, her case was eventually thrown out. So, even though she received a settlement from Clinton, to which, by law, she was not entitled by virtue of the outcome of the case, she did not win her case and so the Lewinsky matter was rendered irrelevant. But it always was. She was a hostile witness brought in by the Whitewater independent counsel, Kenneth Starr, to impugn Clinton's character. No charges were ever filed by Lewinsky nor a suit brought by her against Mr. Clinton. And this little adventure went on for the entire time Clinton was in office. And the Whitewater Commission spent in excess of $70 million to end up writing a several inch thick report about a blow job and a sex trick with a cigar. Wow. Earth-shaking stuff. And this adventure was kept going by the Republican opposition. Because they could. They had the power to do it. Now we have no-bid deals handed to Halliburton to rebuild Iraq and after Katrina. Open graft and not one thing is really done about it. Why? Because the Republicans hold the majority in Congress. They won't let it happen. That is probably why some of them seem kind of frightened by the prospect of losing that majority. They must figure that payback is hell. I hope that Pelosi and Reid will resist that temptation. It would be good for the political discourse and a boon for the Democrats in future elections. So many of the things written about in these responses are so complex that the simple declarative statements are lacking in true perspective. For instance, China. China is one of the biggest holders of American debt. Which has ballooned under Bush 43. They are helping to finance the irresponsible fiscal policies of the current regime. And they are a vital part of the Wal-Mart picture. Trade with China is a vital part of the American economy. A lot of things would suffer if we ceased trading with them. And they are an emerging superpower on all fronts. Economically, militarily and diplomatically. They have been busy in the last few years establishing relations and favorable trading terms with countries in Africa and the Middle East. Most in search of natural resources that they lack a sufficient amount of. Meanwhile, we have been bogged-down in Iraq. Iraq was never a threat to the mainland US. The country had northern and southern no-fly zones in place before we invaded in 2003. And their conventional missiles, they no nukes of any kind, couldn't get outside of the Middle East. In fact, there a small handful of countries that could hit the US with nukes from any distance. Russia and China could do it. Britain and France, with sea-based weapons exclusively, could hit the US with their long-range ICBMs. Of course, Britain and France are our allies and there is no real conceivable threat from them. Israel has nukes but they are built to hit targets in the Middle East neighborhood. During the Cold War they supposed had small force of longer-range weapons that would have been targeted at the Soviet Union. But Israel would not attack us either. Pakistan and India are still dependent on airplanes or artillery shells for delivery of nuclear arms. At this time our intelligence says they don't have the ability to produce ICBMs. And again, there is little chance of India striking America and Pakistan would only hit the US if a different regime held sway in that country. The point I am trying to make is that all these things are complex and need to have serious knowledge and thinking applied to them. Sometimes the best answer won't always be the most popular. North Korea seems like a perfect case in point. Too much to lose in an all-out conflict or probably even a small-scale one. Too many lives lost and the probable intractability of a land war with North Korea. Something I don't hear discussed when people talk about regime change, whether in North Korea or elsewhere,is accounting for the culture you are invading and the long-term political climate. Interestingly enough, one of the people I have seen speak about North Korea was an evangelical Christian journalist. And she reported on the very stratified and strange class system in North Korea, seems strange to have a class system in a Stalinist country, that has about 55 different levels in North Korean society. And how Kim Jong Il and his father were and still are at the very top of it. North Korea is called a hermit kingdom and it appears to be. The media is nearly completely controlled by the gov't and the populace are fed a steady diet of hatred of America. Even the schmucks in this administration should be able to see that regime change involving the US directly is not something that would be supported by the people of North Korea. So what, you say. The what is that they have a million man standing army plus 3 to 5 million civil defense soldiers throughout the whole of the country. All are well=trained and armed. And while Iran differs in many ways, it is similar. Any US-led regime change would be opposed by the populace and unsuccessful in the long run. These are the things ourleaders and cabinet secretaries should be involved with. Fully vetting the situation and making the pragmatic decisions to implement policy. This administration clearly had a pre-conceived plan to go into Iraq. And they used faulty intelligence to sell the need for war. Blame Hillary Clinton and others for voting for the war if you like. But remember that they only had the intelligence that the administration shared with them. And the intelligence was either wrong or intentionally false. History will have to be the judge of that. As for John McCain, I just don't see him winning the next election. He has truly sold out to some of the worst elements of the right-wing. His maverick status is gone and he is already trailing Mrs. Clinton in some presidential polls. The thing about politics is that it is a cyclical enterprise. The Democrats figured out how to get elected in the 90s. The Republicans figured it out in the 00s. The Republicans will not leave the slash-and-burn and dividing people along religious and ideological lines style of campaigning until they get their brains beat out a few times. Seems like that is the only way parties figure out how to change to stay electorally viable. In many ways the Republicans are playing with fire and run a real risk of being burned for a long time to come, if certain things were to occur. Like more terrorist attacks on US soil or sudden banning of abortion in large parts of the country. Public anger would be directed at the party in power. Let's hope that none of that comes to pass. This country does not need to be torn further asunder. We are wealthy and comfortable society in comparison to many others. And sometimes the stupid shit that people go out and vote about, like gay marriage, seems to be directed at the smallest of people's natures. We have so much wealth that we spend our time fighting over things that don't matter very much in the big picture while ignoring the flashing red lights of oncoming crises in the economy and in world affairs and the environment.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#9429Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:39:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:9429JMI always thought the media was the third policical party. Mummmm.....from these emails I believe they still are.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#9443Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:20:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:9443Eddy Jones, Colorado Springs, CoI am not claiming to be an eduacated know it all, in fact I am just an ordinary person. I am just trying to figure out what side makes sense. I have read so many articles, watched so much news lately, that all I know is. There is a lot of people out there that is more confused than I am. Republicans act like they have all the answers, Democrats whine a lot and say they have the answers but really don't.I read what people like " Joe Gladden of MN ", have to say and I have only one thought. No matter who you choose, you are going to lose one thing or another.So I say this, I will stick with somebody who at least tries to do whats right than somebody who just talks about it. Bush tried his best which is far better than anything Clinton ever did period. Bush dealt with matters that any president would have a difficult time with.Also Sen McCain is a man of respectabilty and has proven himself time and time again.I can remember when the barracks were blown up in Lebanon, I lost a few friends that day. I remember all the men we lost time and time again ,during the Clinton era and nothing was done. The time for talking is over, have a problem with that, tell that to the victims of 911.I see myself being at war with the Islamic extremists who have been killing innocent people for decades, it is about time we stood up for ourselves.What good will talking do, talk is cheap no matter where you go, or who you are talking to, talk is cheap. We have to finish what we started, whether or not you agree with it, but we do have to finish it, and we can only do that if we stand together and quit all this petty bickering.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#9457Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:08:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:9457AAI, LV NVTo Steve from Va: Oh, you will be viewed as a traitor to speak in such a way. The truth is not what this administration or Fox News wants the lemmings of our nation to believe. As you describe so eloquently, it can be said that Bush 43 and his band of misfits have created an Orwellian Society that will impact this generation for years to come. There is much that I would enjoy adding to your discourse but I’m afraid that it will fall on “deaf ears”. Hopefully, those that are able to understand what you wrote will vote and make themselves heard. (From reading the responses of some constituencies on this blog, I am afraid that they may be uneducable and blinded by bias hatred and ignorance). And I still like John McCain but now I will never vote for him. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#9807Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:38:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:9807John Doe, Seattle, Wash.McCain like many of our politicians have lost all credibility by keeping Israel draining our hard earned taxmoney. I am fed up with this terrorist state receiving our money and using it to kill randomly innocent civilians. Do we love to be hated around the world? If not we should abandon Israel asap!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#10451Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:44:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:10451Martin Whitman, Overland Park, KansasMcCain's image as a maverick has proven to be fake. He is a party loyalist through and through. He's even been courting the far religious right. His call for more troops is going to fall flat with the overwhelming majority of Americans who are tired of a war with a completely unexplained strategy but with lots of tragic loss of American lives.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#10494Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:35:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:10494Gina, Plymouth Michiganto AAI and Steve, You may feel better about yourself by pointing out how 'uneducable' so many of us are who disagree with you. Why are we the ones who have deaf ears? Disagreement is not the basis in which we decide who is right or wrong. We all want the best for each other and our country, we just have a different way of achieving that. There was a recent study that has proved once and for all that CBS, ABC, NBC are bias and have a definite lean to the left, (they actually went back and counted favorable and unfavorable stories in the news). I agree that Fox has a lean to the right, well that is three to one in favor of the Democrats. I like to know these things while I'm listening. Many say Fox is not Fair and Balanced but I still get both sides of the story more often than the other three when I watch the news. When we are firm in our beliefs we are considered "indoctrinated" or crazy right wing Christians. I simply disagree with you Steve and AAI, the last time I looked I was still in the U.S. and was free to do so.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#10879Fri, 03 Nov 2006 23:14:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:10879BarbaraHEY Tedd (with 2 d's?) Clinton & Carter cost us millions of lives? Where have you been? While your "president (with a teeny small p)" has been out campaigning, just today for an example........4 Marines 4 Army men D I E D/?? Is there ANY WAY you can understand that? This jackass is flying all over and the "war" that he LIED about is costing us OVER, OVER, 2500 young men and women every day. That's ok and not bush's fault, it's Clinton & Carter's fault?? You give yourself away as a vote straight party republican, blindly following the "party line". Perhaps you could join any of the services and go to Iraq in place of one of the democrats over there??? When John = I love my leader= McCain institutes the Draft, will you be willing to serve? Have you served yet??? How do you have any respect for bush when he walked away from his duty to help with a campaign and got away with it. Cheney?? At least 7, count them pal, s e v e n, deferments?? Yeah, Clinton lied about that tramp but he did NOT get any of our young people died because of that lie DID THEY???http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#11158Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:42:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:11158Gina, Plymouth, MichiganDear Barbara, Clinton's weak stand on foreign policy got plenty of our boys killed...The U.S.S. cole, not sure of the spelling on that one. 230+ marines killed, American Embassies blown up...at least be honest. The man sent nuclear reactors to N.Korea. And Clinton copped our of going to Nam just check,no one is perfect including President Bush. I just like the fact no one has been blown up again. 60 or 70 thousand people are killed in car accidents each year, half are drunk driving accidents. Why isn't anyone screaming about those numbers?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#11229Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:53:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:11229Charles VaughJohn McCain gave up his maverick image to become a Bush supporter. He is so intense on becoming President that he forgot that a President is surpose to represent the people of the United States. Clinton is not the reason for the problems in North Korea or any other place in the world. It is his buddy Bush who has Turned his back and thumbed his nose at the world and isolated this country as nothing more then bullies. John what would your father, Admerial McCain, thing of you now? As a retired Veteran and a survivor of the Viet-Nam war I am ashamed of you and how you sold your honor out to this administration.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#11244Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:54:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:11244Kevin, Houston, texasPlease, anyone .... ANYONE except someone named Bush or Clinton for a president this time. We've had a Bush or a Clinton for 18 years and counting. It will be 20 when this cycle of the debacle ends. Besides, MS. Clinton has been president already once .... don't kid yourself.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#11248Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:05:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:11248Kevin, Houston, TexasUhhh .... Barbara, Clinton and Anthony Lake are directly responsible for the deats of our Rangers in Mogadishu .. They asked for armor (know what that is?) and they refused them. Just like the armchair, micromanagement LBJ used in Vietnam. Welcome to Vietraq. Daddy Bush wetn the proper route. He gave the military .... you know, the one truly TRAINED to establish a military objective and it was carried out. I just never understood why he didn't have then drive into Baghdad .... they so easily could have. Guess he left it for junior.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#12121Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:02:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:12121Giovanni Benavides, Brooklyn, NYThe Pavlovian experiment the current administration used to manipulate the population into voting for the Republican party in the past, has failed. Mr. McCain should understand and hear the voice of those voting at the end of the day when the Democrats have taken over the house. So far the Republicans only blame and point their fingers at those without any control, the Democrats. Let today's event be the mushroom cloud the Republican have always talked about!So far North Korea's nuclear test has only been a puff. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#12517Tue, 07 Nov 2006 22:34:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:12517mikey denver coloMccain is a loser. I lost all respect for the man when Bush threw mud at him and his family in the primaries. Mccain's fammily was personally attacked and he turned his back to them. All dems have to do is go back to all those swiftboat comments...that showed him a loser loser loserhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#13119Wed, 08 Nov 2006 05:09:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:13119E.L.I think that the Republicans and McCain had better read these comments. Unless they find an "angel" they can't win the next Presidential election. Perhaps, we're about to find out if they really are in touch with God. God bless America and save the world!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#13136Wed, 08 Nov 2006 06:00:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:13136Mike, LV NVIt's over---King George and his court may now face the music for all the crooked shenanigans that they have inflicted on the American public---I feel sorry for those of you who thought he was such a fine fellow--I feel sorry for GW because he is just not very bright though he is arrogant. However evil, evil men surround him as we will eventually discover in the months ahead.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#13816Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:56:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:13816Brian Keefe Orlando, FlThere are going to be alot of good bills passing through congress starting in January. These bills will have alot of interest and can help alot of people. President Bush needs to be carefull not to be too agressive with his veto pen. If so, there wouldn't be a reason to vote in a Republican President in 2008 in the eyes of most voters.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#13976Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:45:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:13976Mike Tremblay, Boston, MASenator McCain needs to stop worrying about what happened 6 years ago and focus on what's going on now. We have a war going on right now that this administration started. If we ever need to engage in a more necessary war (God forbid) with North Korea, we aren't going to have enough troops because we're spread too thin. And it's all the GOP's fault. So stop ripping on a successful administration from 6+ years ago and start actually working on our present problems.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#13989Thu, 09 Nov 2006 19:16:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:13989Miguel Molina, San Antonio, txBill Clinton was one of the worst presidents ever...this according to hsitorians who consistently vote him near the bottom (alongside of Nixon). He was a liar , purjurer (on vidoetape, no less)and we are still paying the price for him not gettin Bin Laden when he had the chance. Too many cigars in the oval office at the time, probably. McCain will beat Hilary like a drum...and not only that...when the Democrats fail to win the house this year (or win it by 1 or 2 measly seats), he will lead the republicans back to the strong majority that they rightly hold here in the the grand USA! Liberals can be content to watching that idiot Jon Stewart for their politics...that is about as close as they will get to power anyway. Tony (Sent Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:37 PM) How does that taste Tony? Yeah that crow?!! Control of the entire CONGRESS, first time in 26 years. I am overjoyed that the american people came out in hoards and said enough, maybe 2 years to late, but we have got to start somewhere. I hope that the Democratic party really seizes the opportunity that they have been givin, and carry out the mandate of begininng the road to recovery!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#14011Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:47:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:14011Darren JamesIt's a bit hard to take McCain seriously these days. He's not been too effective lately at hiding the fact that he's a bitter, angry man (yeah, John, go give Bush another hug). His statements over the last year show him to be too unstable to be considered presidential material. We all know of the Dean scream. What'll happen when McCain loses it during the primary and threatens to kill someone or actually punches someone? Plus, the dude has way too many skeletons. Hillary is by now means my first pick for the Dems in '08 but at least she's mentally stable. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#14012Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:49:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:14012martha mckay atlanta georgiaWe need to leave Iraq right now. We got rid of Saddam and they have a new government. If we just leave they won't have to fight. You can't have a war without an enemy.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#14046Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:47:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:14046Nick Shull, PAThe Senator should know that the evidence suggests that the Clinton Administration was successful in suspending North Korea's Plutonuim enrichment program, the North Koreans cheated with the Uranuim Enrichment program. Evidence suggests that the nuclear weapon detonated by the North was a Plutonuim nuclear device. This means that one can only conclude that the Bush administration's policy of non-engagement hastened the development of North Korea's atomic bomb. Perhaps had we engaged directly with the North Koreans we would not only have had more time, but convinced the North that they don't need a nuclear device to survive. Remember Mao Zedong was in the midst of his terrible Cultural Revolution when Nixon engaged him, and through engagement China went from a country shouting death to America and threatening both the USSR and the USA with nuclear bombs, to becoming a responsible and essential member of the World Community. Engagement is not appeasement, regimes that are backed into a corner are much more dangerous, and talking prevents misunderstandings.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#14134Fri, 10 Nov 2006 15:11:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:14134Anthony Milton,Memphis TennesseeI'm surprised but,not shocked by Mr.McCain taking the first volley at the Democrats after the mid-term elections.I also held out some hope he would be different.But it appears he's already begun to pander to a certain constituency to get elected. Is there no one who cares about our country and the direction we're heading?Is there no one who believes that talking and listening can help to solve problems.The person that shares that view going forward get's my vote.Regardless of what Party their from!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#14193Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:57:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:14193Laurie Dargin Millers Creek, North CarolinaDoes McCain think that the American people are stupid? We knew in 2002 that North Korea had every intention of producing weapons-grade plutonium when they expelled IAEA nuclear inspectors from their country. Especially since THEY TOLD US THEY WOULD! Neither Bush, nor McCain, did anything about it until the "Crisis" of nuclear testing took place. I guess their response was to invade Iraq. I still believe they had their eyes on the prize (oil $$$) and we will all pay the price for their greed. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#24757Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:20:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:24757Z T, West Chester, PAMcCain's right. When the US and UN is terrified to use any kinds of serious measures to stop illegal activities by rouge nations, these governments take advantage of us, like North Korea and Iran have done too many times.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#26147Thu, 04 Jan 2007 00:25:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:26147Steven Smith, Seattle Wash.People, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!! Senator McCain is right about the Clinton administrations policy on North Korea was a miserable failure, and to listen to people saying they have no respect for McCain because he supported Bush, well, what was he to do but support his party?????? If you all think for one minute any of these national security issues will go away with another Clinton in office, your nuts! At least McCain is taking a tough stance on these issues, and to say he is a carbon copy of Bush is completely innacurate. McCain is our best bet to defend ourselves globally, and actually I would compare McCain more to Reagan than Bush......and he is the president we truly need at this point!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#26153Thu, 04 Jan 2007 00:49:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:26153Juan R. Rodriguez, Camden, NJScary!! It sounds as if McCain wins who would leads us to war against Korea. We can't afford another administration that is hungry for war.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#26180Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:15:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:26180PRemick, Cleveland, Ohio.Well, look on the bright side....Soon Bush will be gone, we as country may be broke soon. We will have more cities like Cleveland fighting to be the poorest. I personally would like to hear from a canidate that have our country's economics on his/her minds instead of how to kill off all our young men & women. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#27414Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:38:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:27414Baldwin MIIf any off you think that it was a mistake going into the think about this. DURING the inspections in Iraq a chemical facility was raided for intel. However it took three days to get a warrant. Meanwhile workers were reported to have been burning papers. When we got the warrant three convoy trucks left and were NEVER recoverd. Among the papers left were orders from Saddam to start enriching uranium.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#27460Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:43:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:27460Baldwin MIBy the way my info was taken from NOVA on PBS.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#27468Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:54:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:27468AboveP.S. At least Bush didn't loose his NUCLEAR LAUNCH CODES like BILL CLINTON!!!! -Source: Derelection of duty, written by one of Bill's Aides. You know the one how carried our NUCLEAR "Football"http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#32154Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:49:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:32154Robyn Wolf, Emeryville CalifI'd like to remind you that Dennis Kucinich is running for president and there is the best possible reason to vote for him and that is that he has a track record of standing up to corporate America and in the long run he was exonerated. The man has the courage of his convictions and that kind of courage has been lacking in the past in presidents. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#32561Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:05:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:32561TB Long Island, NYUnemployment is down - lowest in 16 years, S&P up, nasdaq up, housing hasn;t flopped like was predicted - small correction. Tax cuts worked. Can't except it.A month ago Harry Reid was asking for troop surge, all the democratic leadership and morons were complaining about not enough troops and now because Bush wants to do it - its a bad idea. Why don't the Democrats get over losing the elections in 2000 and 2004. Stop making everything they do against George Bush and come up with their own plans and strategy. They don't have a strategy, except to bash Bush and use the liberal media to do it. The liberal media will never report anything bad about a democrat. Only Bush!!!!!!!! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#32567Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:12:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:32567TB Long Island, NYYou are all a bunch of whining liberals. Freedom isn't free. All the rights you have have been made by the blood from our military. You don't join the military for the benefits, it for WAR and only WAR. Its for deterent to WAR. Not to get a break on items bought at the PX. Not to have the taxpayers pay for your education. The military is to fight WAR and to show our might. All you want to do is run away from the fight - and let the enemy come to ours shores like Clinton let them do. Do you all forget 9/11. Have you no memories of only 5 years ago. Pull your heads out of Hillary's behind and look around. Barack Hussein Obama is the best you can do!!!!!!!!!!!!!. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#32572Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:25:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:32572TB Long Island, NY Since August 2003, more than 7.2 million jobs have been created more jobs than the European Union and Japan combined. Our economy has now added jobs for 40 straight months. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#32575Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:27:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:32575TB Long Island, NYThe National Unemployment Rate Remains Low At 4.5 Percent. This is well below the 5.1 percent average rate for 2005, and below the average of each of the past four decades. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#33697Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:02:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:33697al73, Miami FlWith Hillary Clinton and John McCain if you do not agree with them: Just wait 5 minutes and they will propably change their minds againhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#37415Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:31:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:37415Susan, Washington StateWe need to get a fresh republican face out there. McCain is not fresh. We need a class act. A Condi Rice. Someone dignified. Hillary is trailer park. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#37417Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:37:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:37417Chris, Reno, NVJohn McCain may have lost some credibility over the past 2 years, but Hillary Clinton has never had any from the get go. So, the "damage" done by the Bush Adm., let's assess: Real economic growth has produced real job growth coupled with increased tax receipts along with tax cuts (across the board, by the way). Unemployment is at a little over 4%. We deposed a dictator who had every intention of acquiring wmd and using them just as he did against his own people. Those people, you see, weren't allowed to bad mouth the "President For Life". We responded with force to an attack on American soil (9-11-01). We overthrew an islamofascist government that randomly murdered people just for being female. A government that supported terrorist training camps to carry out further attacks against Americans and other "infidels". GWB may not be a liberal's idea of a leader, but he has demonstrated the backbone necessary to address the very real threats to our safety and security that will surely disintegrate with a Hillary or Barrack Presidency. Not to mention a disintegrating economy coupled with tax increases. You can bet on that. She is a female Jimmy Carter. The Dems have not had a true leader since Harry Truman. They play politics with border security and national security but offer no real plan of their own. All that's offered are empty rhetoric like "A new direction", "redelpoyment", "Bush is dumb", etc. We have a serious issue to address here that transcends any political speech and the question each candidate needs to answer candidly is: "What is your plan, specifically, to protect America's borders, harbors, cities, transits, and schools; and what do you intend to do to improve the best economy this country has experienced in a long while, even while fighting elements that want to destroy us." The whining needs to stop and some serious thought needs to take its place if we are to have another generation of Americans living in a free country.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#37457Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:05:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:37457Jimmy SanbornHere we go again. Your wrong for doing this or that. Let's move on and fix this darn thing. We are on the right path in Korea now? Come on let's move this nation in unity. It's time for the Republican to lay down their hatchet. And start looking into America the Beautiful. Not Republican the Bueatiful.. Go "CLINTON/OBAMA 2008"http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#42423Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:18:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:42423John S. MaineJohn McCain is not electable to the presidency, he cant even stay awake during the State of The Union. Maybee he was dreaming about Immigration an issue he has failed our Conuthry miserbaly. In 2008 I want a President, who is Intelligent, Competent, Electable, and passionate about his or her beliefs. I want a leader with no political scandal baggage like the Clintons, or McCain. That leads me to one remarkable leader in Mitt Romney!. While McCain was sleeping in Washington, Mitt Romney was adressing a very important confrence in Isreal on National Security issues. They recognize that Mitt Romney gets this issue. We cant drop our gaurd or we will be attacked again!. Check out Mitt's Exploratory Site, to get to know him and his strong record and credentials! Mitt Romney in 2008!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#42997Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:49:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:42997Freedom LibertyFDR led us into WWII, Germany never attacked us, Japan did. From 1941-1945 450,000 lives were lost Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. 55,000 lives were lost. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. 58,000 lives were lost. Clinton went to war in Bosnia withoug consent from the UN or the French. Bosnia never attacked. He was offered Bin Laden 3 times and did nothing. What happened, the terorists attacked us on our own soil, our ship, etc. In the years since terrorist attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law firm billig records. It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard thatn it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick. The bias media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts... Our Commander-in-Chief is doing a great job, the military morale is high. It is ignorant people who can destroy their morale. Don't be ignorant. This is like a baseball or other sports organization, we're on the same team and must emerge victorious.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#52870Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:39:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:52870Will OKC, OKSen. McCain demonstrated how he can sell out after the 2000 election. Before Bush's lying tactics sunk McCain's candidacy, he had great appeal to middle ground voters. After the election, I thought he and Bush would be caught holding hands. The Repubs better consider a candidate like Chuck Hagel. Otherwise, a number of the Democratic candidates will be able to win in a general election...including Hillary Clinton. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#53753Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:20:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:53753Preston SmithHere is some advice for the American Public. Stop pointing fingers and your bash talking towards the republican party, including The President, and start remembering the day of 9/11. Who screamed and cried in unity as a nation for this country to revenge our country? Who jumped right into the face of The White House and all of the Media and said "We want justice for the deaths here today"? It was us, the american public. Alot of people like to counter this remark with comments such as "We could have stopped it with one strike in the neighboring country!" or "Why did it take him 6 months to actually do something?". Well it is quite simple. When you look at the broad spectrum, war strategy had to be made, in which 6 months is a quite fast to achieve one. Why did we even go to Iraq? Well that one is simple aswell. Do you people HONESTLY believe that ONLY Osama Bin Laden was the sole cause of that attack? Do you think one air strike removing him from this planet would have stopped the taliban, the sectarian violence, the oppression of the Iraqi goverment? NO! As you can plainly see the war on terrorism is a label for a war WE did NOT start. They shed the first blood on OUR soil! We struck back on their soil, which everyone seems to think was OUTSIDE of IRAQ??? Well then I ask those of you who believe this, "Where is the violence right now?". It is on the streets of Bahgdad!!! Where there were thousands more Osama Bin Ladens held in refuge undermining their next plans of execution against us. One face over the media does not cover the hatred these people feel towards us. Yet when the media blasted Osamas face everywhere everyone was led to believe we take him out it is all over. Well those that believed that have plainly been made fools of. Many more leaders for the taliban, the sectarian violence in bahgdad have made it clear that Osama did the most devistating damage but was NOT the only one planning to do so. Our PRESIDENT!!! made the borders safe after that attack. He is also responsible along with france for keeping us all safe from several other attempts since 9/11 that failed due to the way him and the prim minister have engaged this situation. This "war" as it has been labled is not something that started with the Bush Administration, this is a hatred of our country from a foriegn land that has been harbored for a very long time. Unfortunately for president Bush, he was in the hot seat when this hatred finaly spread to american soil. Free speech is just that, and that is what causes people to get such clouded judgemnet. You sit and you watch CNN, or MSNBC, ect ect.. You see what the media brainwashes us with everyday. That is all you will get to see due to their free speech. You do not get to see what is going on in the background. All the american public like to think there is an easier way to fix these issues because "Hey why not so and so said it could be done on CNN last night.", The Dems say it can be done, oops did they say that to get into the majority? There are two simple facts you all need to face up to. What is said in the house, and on the media is 90 % BS. These people reporting the news are no more indepth into what really goes on than you or I. We have free speech we could go get the exclusives ourselves!! The fact of the matter is none of them exclusives coming in from capitol hill are what is happening on the ground everyday in Iraq right now. Those people on capitol hill that want to pull our troops, along with the american public that agree, are just saying throw in the white flag that we surrender to violent attacks. This war will wage on through the next president, do you think he/she will be able to figure it out? No, because as I stated earlier this is no war. These people simply hate us and will do whatever they can to kill as many of us as they can. So we need to continue to strike them. Eventually the Iraqis will be able to handle the majority of the violence, eventually they will be one of our newest top allies against terrorism. So long as we don't abandon them in THEIR hour of need. As I stated in the begining America screamed for blood over 9/11, now put your shoes on thee Iraqis feet. ALOT more of them have lost their lives and the only military they have to combat this same violence that affected us is ours! Ya counter that if you like with "Well we been training them for 2 years now". Go ahead and use that excuse, but when our military is having a hard time combating this violence, do you really think they were able to train the Iraqis to handle it in a mere 2 years while trying to also combat this violence? Maybe if you thought about that just a little more you would understand why they are needing a troop increase! We aren't winning because our troops are trying to stay alive and train iraqis to help at the same time and the numbers simply don't add up!!! THe sectarian violence alone hinders our troops everyday lives. You don't think they have targeted the military training sites and delayed proper training of the Iraqi military? I could go on all night, but the simple fact is. As much as I hate to admit this beings I am born and raised american. America is at an age of idiocracy. This is why you see congress playing like kids, this is why you see news news news. Bush sees what needs to be done and he has ground intel. And that is what will win. Not the new kids on the block(Capitol Hill). United we Stand, Divided we Fall. Well beings we are not united, and that unity should be respectively to the commander and chief, I suppose we will suffer worse. As for McCain, he is only doing the sole duty of every american citizen!!! You stand by your President regardless of your party, or your views. Regardless of if you voted for or against, like or dislike, you always stand by your President. Ofcourse this generation has abandoned that value, and with it they abandoned "United We Stand". God Help Us.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#55304Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:06:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:55304SSgt Anonymous, Active DutyI don't understand most of you that are commenting... The US is no where near implementing a draft, right now the government is forcing members out of service. If we are about to implement a draft, I would hate to see the logic behind getting rid of all the volunteers. Plus the Bush administration and the military has done a pretty good job at keeping back terrorist attacks. The only thing past administrations seemed to do was ignore them. And if you want to talk about hypocrits, I bet 90% of you were all for doing something after 9/11 since it got so much media attention and it upset you watching it on TV in suburbia but now because we haven't finished resurrecting two whole countries as fast as you would like that it is a bad idea now. What did you think it would take, a few weeks?!?! Also someone had to of voted all the Republicans into office... p.s. I'm not Republican, just tired of listening to B.S.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#57309Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:28:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:57309Akber A. Kassam, New-York City, New-York.Sen. McCain is always the looser, he does not have any ground on any issues to solve it. He keep changin his mind every second, his own republican party lost the confident on him. Hillary Clinton is the wright choice for president, she is smart, intelligent and hardworking woman and know how to lead our great nation where Bush has failed. She will bring U.S. image back in the entire world.!!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#57689Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:42:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:57689Brian, Bloomfield MILook people, America has only a few options these days with places like Iran and North Korea, and none of them are pretty. You have to realize that the world changes, your opponents shift tactics, and the situation today is not the same situation as yesterday. The situation that Bush was handed in office is nothing like the situation that Clinton had, and so there's no real comparison that can be made. Clinton f&^%$ed up any war he got us involved in, and likely would not have been able to respond adequately to 911. Neither he nor Bush had the guts or insight to reform government before 911, and it took a wake-up call to us to see it. I like John McCain. He's a realist, not an blinded idealist. No man is perfect; he stands against some social issues that I stand for. But he does it well, and given his history, I still for the most part trust him, which is saying a lot for a man who has been a senator as long as he has. Sure, he rolled over to Bush a few times lately. But he had to. He learned his lesson from 2000, and I won't hold it against him. You can't fight every battle. The man has all in all, served his country well, standing up for accountability more times than anyone else, and speaking his mind when the rest have followed the party line like sheep. I also like Rudy Guiliani, but his social agenda is too far out for me to accept.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#70683Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:40:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:70683PWILLIS WASHINGTONFIFE: Please dont be hypocrite. Please tell me you didnt realy say " someone who does the right thing regardless of the sacrafice". Dr. Fife, we both know you dont do that!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#94666Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:03:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:94666mr.bhupal gurung - pokhara10, nepal dear sir, this is bhupal gurung from nepal of pokhara. and sir i would like to visit and now this time i want go to amrica only for visit . because amrica is verry populer and nice country in the world. and this is my first request i wish u can get for me. thank you sir http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/10/6344.aspx#155003Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:06:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:155003William Donovan El Dorado, AR. Gee it would be funnt if it was not, since McCain's assault on Pres. Clinton's Korea policy was working and keeping them contained and under a certain amount of control. So, his solution is to blame the Clinton administration for failure in Korea during Pres. Bush's administration? These guys(McCain and Bush and crew) could screw up a checker game. Please Sen. McCain go back to Arizona and retire from public life so you do not look stupid. You Reublicans have had your chance and now it is time to completely hand over responsibility of running this country back to the Democrats. 8 years of Bush will finish your party and stain our country for decades to come. Just learn to deal with that and you will sleep better at night,ok?