The Clinton camp's expectations

jaycee, Ventura, California — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:27:47 GMT

Here’s a heads up for some of you younger viewers of MSNBC, and particularly those who constantly rail against a perceived pro-Obama slant. If you are a Hillary backer you may have enjoyed listening to Pat Buchanan relentlessly promoting your candidate and running down Obama day after day over these past few months. This may be an MSNBC version of fair and balanced, or maybe they assume that Pat has been around so long that everybody knows his background.

For those who may not know, Pat is a quintessential paleoconservative right wing culture warrior from way back in the Nixon administration. If you are a Democrat and you hear Pat Buchanan talking like he’s on your side, it’s time to sit up and take a look around because something is very, very wrong with this picture. Pat is just running the old briar patch strategy against the other party in the primaries. “Oh please, don’t make us run against Hillary! Anything but that!” If we are dumb enough to take all his good advice, watch how quickly Pat’s story line changes once Hillary has the nomination.

Pat knows very well that Hillary will boost Republican turnout. If McCain is their nominee, many conservatives will be less than enthused and might be more inclined to stay home this cycle. They will crawl over broken glass for a chance to vote against a Clinton, though. At the same time Hillary will fail to energize a good portion of the Democratic base. The anti-war left feels betrayed by her votes on Iraq and Iran, and many other Democrats remember the role Bill Clinton played in losing us the congress in the 1990s and the White House in 2000. Hillary polls very poorly with the Independent voters that McCain is counting on to win and their attitudes toward her are hardened. Add to that 35 years worth of scandals, enough to trot out one a day from now to November, and Hillary looks like a duck sitting on the pond.

Obama is the Republicans worst nightmare. He is already drawing significant support from Independents, moderate Republicans, and even conservative Republicans sick of the partisan warfare. He will be much more difficult to attack. Notice the backlash Bill Clinton and Karl Rove have already provoked when they tried. Barack can go straight at McCain on the Iraq war because he opposed it from the beginning, and can legitimately question the judgment of those who voted to commit our nation to an unnecessary war that has not made us safer. In contrast Hillary voted for military action and then said it was mismanaged, just like McCain. Barack may lose some Democrats who resent the fact that he stands in the way of the first potential woman POTUS, but he should more than make up for it with younger voters, Independents, Republicans, and a fired up anti-war base.

In light of the above, Pat Buchanan’s agenda is obvious. Talk up the strengths of candidate Hillary and minimize Obama’s chances at every opportunity in order to get the weaker candidate for his party to run against in November. I had to chuckle in the post-debate coverage when Rachel Maddow completely threw Pat off his game. Rachel felt insulted by Hillary’s weak explanation of her war vote and dared to suggest that Hillary should just admit to a mistake. Pat became so apoplectic that someone would even suggest such horrendous political strategy that he forgot himself and demanded: “Who in the world is going to want to vote for someone who got the most important vote of her Senate career wrong?” Well said, my cagey old friend. Well said.

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Vote for Leader, Not Game Player — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:31:58 GMT

The only people who should expect and know are the VOTERS -- only them! This election is not about games, but about voters choosing their next great leader wo can unite the nation.
Shut up Hillary and Obama. Let the voters have their say.

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AJ, IL — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:38:38 GMT

What are you political analysts taking about? Hillary is seen as the "incumbent" for the Democratic nomination. She is expected to win on Super Tuesday. Six months ago every poll had Hillary ahead of Obama by 10 to 30 pts. Hillary has the ground support, more super delegate support and most importantingly, Bill Clinton's last name. Obama is the underdog, just like the NY GIANTS!

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Akber A. Kassam. New-York City, New York. — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:41:39 GMT

I think senator Hillary Clinton will be clear winner
in Super Tuesday, and she will become the first female president of the United States of America.!!!

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Wm., Schererville, IN — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:45:47 GMT

Maybe with all the attempts to make Super Tuesday the national primary and thus to counter the previous effects of Iowa, New Hampshire and the super Tuesdsay southern primaries of old, it too will fail and leave us with the classic 1968 slug fest, state by state, from Wisconsin to Inidana, to Pennsylvania and Oregon. Each candidate forced to run a local campaign for the eventual electoral votes he or she will need. At least it could turn out this way, unless the MSM decides the better story is who they decide to crown. Remember, RFK for all his carisma over Gene McCarthey, lost the Oregon primary and won California as winner take all, but only by single percentage points. Had RFK lived, it would have been our last chance at a contested convention. Like waiting for the Cubs to win the World Series, it would be nice to see another contested convention. It might be purging for the party, to really form its identity, and pick a candidate to promulgate it. Instead of the other way around. Maybe it would also force all of the various factions of the party to bury their differences.

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Donna Richardson, Antioch, TN — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:48:48 GMT

I think that it would be exciting to see this come down to the convention. In this world,we want instant results -- maybe, we need to learn to be patient. Hillary Clinton should win but Barrack Obama is the rock star of the moment so one never knows what the outcome will be.

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Emile Johonsen — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:53:30 GMT

Both are losers. Both should quit.

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Lawrence, Los Angeles — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:54:28 GMT

Obama will lose California. It's just a matter of by how much. Too many absentee ballots were cast early. If he keeps it inside 10 percentage points statewide, it'll be huge.

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sick of chuckie — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:56:56 GMT

Guess we will have to wait till matthews tells us who will win----he has been so accurate in everything else---not.

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GREG HILL, SAN DIEGO,CA. — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:59:12 GMT

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Andy Parsons — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:00:19 GMT

I am betting HRC nails the nomination tomorrow. At the end of the day, Americans will vote for proven results and proven track record, even if she is a woman. If Obama were a white woman, no one would even consider voting for him based on his record.

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J of Ark — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:03:46 GMT

Look at states where Edwards was ahead of Obama - they are now going to Hillary and if Obama was ahead of Edwards, then vice versa - Edward's people are making the differnece in the tightening of the race and their state-specific agendas are reflected in where they go. Hillary actually appeasr to be doing well in some Southern States, which should be a surprise to Obama's team. She does have a history in the South, having been in Arkansas politics for years - this seems to have escaped many pundits.

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Gary Schear, Bozeman Montana — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:04:04 GMT

Inconclusive it will be but the melt away of the sizable Clinton lead should leave no one in doubt about the direction and strength of the trend after tomorrow.

Yes WE most certainly Can!

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:08:09 GMT

From Huff Post:

'... Clinton, Obama, and Cluster Bombs
Posted February 4, 2008 | 10:51 AM (EST)

If you're a friend of mine, or a fan of "Get Your War On," you probably know how important the issue of cluster bombs and landmines is to me.

It was America's use of cluster bombs during Operation: Enduring Freedom that led me to start GYWO seven(!) years ago this fall, and it has been my pleasure and my honor to donate the royalties from the two GYWO anthologies to Mine Detection & Dog Center Team #5, a landmine removal team in western Afghanistan.

If you ever attended a GYWO reading, you probably sat through my video of landmine removal teams in the field, or listened to me read off statistics about that dangerous mission, or indulged me by taking an informational flyer about MDC Team #5 and the sacred work they do.

(If you bought one of the GYWO books, you've helped that work, and I thank you.)

Cluster bombs and landmines are particularly terrifying weapons that wreak havoc on communities trying to recover from war. They are fatal impediments to reconstruction and rehabilitation of agricultural land; they destroy valuable livestock; they disable otherwise productive members of society; they maim or kill children trying to salvage them for scrap metal.

Over 150 nations have signed the 1997 Mine Ban Treaty. It pains me that our great nation has not. But in the autumn of 2006, there was a chance to take a step in the right direction: Senate Amendment No. 4882, an amendment to a Pentagon appropriations bill that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.

Senator Obama of Illinois voted IN FAVOR of the ban.

Senator Clinton of New York voted AGAINST the ban.

Analysts say Clinton did not want to risk appearing "soft on terror," as it would have harmed her electibility...'

Make your own decision on political opportunism
But, this vote is REVEALING .....

OBAMA '08

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Stacy Johnson, CA — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:12:23 GMT

A vote for Hillary = a vote for McCain.

Hillary as the nominee = a McCain White House.

Why? General Election Independents and Swing voters do not go for her. They lean heavily toward Obama. Plus the "ABC" rule applies: Anyone But Clinton. Fair or not, Hill galvanizes the far right to hold their noses and vote McCain. That's three crucial voting blocks that are key to taking the White House. And Hillary cannot get them.

Obama, on the other hand, has wide, cross-over appeal. He will get plenty of Independent and Swing votes in November, and these votes are necessary to winning the White House.

So, unless you want another four years of a Republican in the White House, the choice is clear: VOTE OBAMA. He's the uniter.

Only Obama can beat McCain.

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N. E. BodybutHillary — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:13:15 GMT

Hillary put us in Iraq.

Obama will get us out of Iraq

The Clintons are scandalous and corrupt.

Obama is honest and a role model.

Hillary is Senator "more of the same".

Obama is president elect "change".

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Jeff, Austin — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:14:17 GMT

Sen. Barack Obama has erased Sen. Hillary Clinton's lead among Democrats nationally, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll out Monday. The two are in a virtual tie, with Obama at 49 percent and Clinton at 46 percent.

The survey represents a dramatic turnaround in the race from a few months ago when Clinton had a significant edge over Obama.

With 1681 delegates up for grab, what Candidate do you believe will accumulate the most delegates on Super Tuesday?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1693

.

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Andy okolo, Munich, Germany — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:15:19 GMT

HRC will fail against Obama and she knows it. She is only not saying things the way it should be like her vote on Irag war

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miguel xiques,miami,florida — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:17:11 GMT

Hillary Clinton is the best prepared for the epic economic crisis we are in.Clintons team of economic advisers are suberv.We need that badly.I like Obama
inspirational messages, but where "is the beef"?We need results.Think for a minute,a lady wanting to be president of the more complex and powerful nation of the universe. Hillary Clinton is a Golda Miers,Margaret Thatcher and Indira Ghandi embodied in one person.She is a hell of a lady.We need a president like her at this time in history.
I do have three daughters and all of them are also voting for Hillary.

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Sierra, SF — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:17:48 GMT

From Huff Post:

Gary Hart

Iraq as Metaphor
Posted February 3, 2008 | 02:31 PM (EST)

All issues are equal, but some issues are more equal than others. Those more equal give an insight into decision making, leadership style, and even character. Anyone who has served in office is familiar with the question, "Why did he/she do that?," meaning why did that politician do what they did? It is a question impossible to answer, that is without having some divine access to the inner recesses of an individual's mind or even soul.

Great decisions, however, can reveal how future great decisions might be made. No decision since the so-called Gulf of Tonkin resolution in Vietnam is more important than the vote on the 2002 war resolution on Iraq. Unlike health care, economic stimulus, immigration, and a host of other concerns, on that question there is clear difference between the Democratic finalists.

For those in the process of deciding between them for super Tuesday and beyond, they should be urged to consider this question very seriously. Those who decided to grant George W. Bush virtually unilateral authority to invade Iraq now must accept responsibility for its consequences. Votes have consequences. The consequences in Iraq are well over 30,000 American casualties [casualty: killed and wounded], possibly one million Iraqi deaths, and at least a trillion American tax dollars spent on restructuring (much wasteful and corrupted) and not spent on U.S. schools, hospitals, and infrastructure.

On issues such as this, it is not enough to say, We all make mistakes. One of the remaining candidates cannot even bring herself to say that. Why not, at least, say, "The president misled me"? Given how tragically wrong that vote was, such an admission would be at the very least a signal of humility, responsibility, wisdom, and character.

Consider these two questions when deciding how to vote on Tuesday and beyond: Why did Senator Clinton give George W. Bush the authority to invade Iraq; and why can she not bring herself to admit she was wrong? Regarding the first, she now says that she was only authorizing war as a last resort. Others who voted as she did and now admit error, including Senators Biden, Dodd, and Edwards, do not make that argument. They admit they were wrong. As to the second question, the plausible excuses are few: she still thinks it was right; she thinks the operation was mismanaged; she clings to the hope that this vote and continued support for it will serve her well with conservatives in a general election; she believes it is a symbol of "strength."

Sorting through a great deal of obfuscation, Senator Clinton still seems to cling to the argument that Bush mismanaged the whole project, that it was worth doing but it was done badly. Thus, she seems to accept unilateral invasion as a first resort, even when intelligence, as it was in this case, is less than clear. She seems to be willing to follow policy makers, in this case neocons, who had a publicly announced imperial agenda in the Middle East. And she permits the impression to grow that "triangulation," in matters of war, requires placing protection of political career over protection of the national interest.

Throughout my life I have tried consistently to avoid being judgmental regarding the motives of others. But, like Senator Obama, even on the sidelines, even without access to classified briefings, even under the war drum beat of the right, and even with a compliant mainstream media, I knew both in my mind and deep in my soul that invasion of Iraq was wrong, that it would lead to semi-permanent occupation, that the war would only just begin when Baghdad fell, and that we were pouring blood and treasure into the sand.

"Triangulation" and "centrism" may have led to eight years of a Democratic presidency in the 1990s. But it also blurred the principles of the Democratic party. It led young politicians to believe that the safest course was in some vague middle ground. And, tragically, it led too many Democrats to believe they had to prove their national security credentials by voting for any military misadventure right wing hawks could think up.

This nation needs a president who will question the conventional wisdom, who will exercise skepticism concerning foreign entanglements, who will have the courage to resist pressure from the narrow-minded bellicose right, who will admit to error when major mistakes are made, and who can look farther over the horizon than most of us. Most of all, we need a president who can restore America's honor, respect, and moral authority in the world.

That president is not Senator Clinton. That president is Barack Obama...'

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D ANDERS TX — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:20:32 GMT

HOW COULD SHE HAVE ANY EXPECTATIONS, MARTHA STEWART WENT TO PRISON FOR A MINOR OFFENSE. THE CLINTONS COMMITED AND GOT OUT OF DOZENS OF SERIOUS CRIMES. JANET RENO WOULD NOT LET THEM GO TO TRIAL. PROTECTING DRUG CARTELS DESTROYING OUR CHILDRENS LIVES, AND THEN PARDONING THEM WHEN THEY GOT CAUGHT. THEY SHOULD BE IN PRISON FOR LIFE. DONT YOU SUPPORTERS HAVE ANY MORALS. YOU RE SICKOS

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Daniel, NY — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:59:46 GMT

Campaign Diaries has a round-up of all the latest polls from the race, and they are many. SUSA's massive deluge of polls has good news for Clinton, following a day with many bad polls for her camp. Full roundup: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2008/02/poll-roller-coaster-continues-with-susa.html

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Marsha Pace Lancaster, Wi. — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:03:41 GMT

Hillary Clinton definitely the right person to lead our country during this difficult time. We need someone with experience and has been there. If Obama wins, the next president will definitely be John McCain, another republican. We do need a change and that change is HILLARY CLINTON.

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Heather Boulder CO — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:03:48 GMT

Clinton, obama, and mccain are the most evil politician ever. THe country is brainwashed by the media's choice for a president that align the media corporation agenda of global genocide. These candidates will wage worldwar against all civilizations. Their proven record of voting for an illegal invasion and genocide of the iraq people proves them guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. American civilians will be the ones who will pay for the charges of war in the long run. Vote for CHANGE CYNTHIA MCKINNEY
and visit her growing supporter base http://mckinney2008.com, she represents social justice and will not tolerate illegal abuses of political power and war profiteering corporations. The obama, clinton and mccain are the same people getting donations from the same war machine. They will stop at nothing in destroying the american way. Our constitution is set aside for proceucution of politician for treason for less crimes. These evil politicians have destroyed are american way and made the world hate our country forever. We must NOT ELECT the same war mongers but instead display justice and imprison the evildoers who voted for an illegal war and genocide and murder of over one million innocent iraq civilians. We must stop their campaign and demand real change and NEW GOVERNMENT! NOW!

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claude,fort-lauderdale — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:13:03 GMT

As an african american the key question for me is whether race pride more importaant than my country.I defer to the latter, specially deep down in my heart I know that enthusiasm will not put food on the table and will not worry me of possible terrorism attack. I already had a preview of the terrorism part, when Mr. Obama answered that question on his first debate. Herego my reasons to trump over race pride and wimp star power.

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Joe Delegate — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:14:31 GMT

You Obama lovers are the real losers in all this voting. Somehow you think your vote matters. Guess what? It doesn't, at least not as much as you think. You see, the Democrats, and the Clintons, in their infinite wisdom, only have 60% of their delegates rewarded based on the voters of each of the states. The other 40% comes from the so-called SuperDelegates. Guess who those delegaes are? Mostly Clinton appointees.

Now that's voter disenfrachisement.

Oh, the Republicans, their delegates are all picked by the voters. No SuperDelegates.

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Kim, Pasadena, CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:15:13 GMT

Pat Buchanan seems to me like he is drooling for a Hillary Clinton candidacy. I guess we are watching different programing.

Mark Penn's company does lobbying for Blackwater.

Is there anything more I need to say?

Let us change our Country, move forward and begin working together for a better America! Yes we can!
I urge you to vote for Senator Obama, the only candidate remaining in the democrat contest who does not take money from lobbyists and special interests PACS who can stand up against John McCain.

(I hope everybody remembers that John McCain's political career has been largely based on campaign finance reform -- something Senator Clinton rejects by taking donations from interests ranging from banking, financial, big pharma & etc).

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pasteeater FL — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:20:21 GMT

I think its way to close to even bother trying to call tuesdays outcome... it so interesting though its fun to follow... During the last debate I listened to it and I thought Clinton came out ahead.. very much in charge of the facts.. she evidently does her homework on the bills... Since they are so similar in their positions that would have been the deciding factor... I was able to see a repeat and watched it the following night.. Well when I could se the candidates debating it seemed like Obama won.. It wasent intentional on my part but he may just look more Presidential... But in either case after the Republican debate the night before it doesnt seem like they have anyone that even stacks up close.. Still I will have to wait to see who McCain picks as a running mate before I make my final decision

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gene britton — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:21:07 GMT

Some of these Clinton haters are sick. This is a well qualified woman, who has a considerble amount of experience in world affairs and a good economic record on human rights. And one of her great passion is our kids. You get a full package with her, not an Obama empty suit. If you are one of the super tuesday states get out to vote tomorrow. You will do yourself proud. I will get my opportunity to do so in March.

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JY — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:21:47 GMT

If Clinton gets the nod...look out for Bloomberg.

I'm a leftist liberal..and *I* will not vote for Hillary.

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Tanner Lopez, Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:22:32 GMT

IF HILLARY wins the major states tomorrow, CA, NY, CT, NJ, MO. The trending will be uphill and she will be the Democratic nominee. For most part, I think we have a winner here in Los Angeles, every one I call is a HILLARY supporter. 8 out of 10 is Hillary, 2 for Obama. I am an Independent taking surveys here in Los Angeles.

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nuanced — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:26:58 GMT

Great exposition and analysis jaycee!

Emile, you need to put a little more thought into your comments.

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Kat, Huntington, WV — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:38:46 GMT

I am stunned by some of these posts, what crimes did the Clinton's commit? Were they actually convicted of something? I sure missed that if they were. Please read the facts for yourself and do not let the media make up your minds for you. Obama is clearly a great speaker but his numberous "present" votes when he was not brave enough to actually take a stand on an issue and his inability or unwillingness to even show up for the Congressional vote on Iran doe NOT show real leadership. Come on people...Hillary is the ONLY person for this job at this moment. Get out the vote for Hillary and then focus on uniting the Democratic party for s huge victory in November!
Yes SHE Can!
Yes SHE Can!
Yes SHE Can!
And so will WE if we put HER in the White House.

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Mark Thieme — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:45:59 GMT

Funny how people come and go here. A few weeks ago there was a claque of Hillary trolls here who were blowing hard about February 5 being the end-all.
Timidly, I suggested that there were many reasons that was not probable, including possible 3rd party candidates emerging after the 5th.
The Windbags "on the ground," who so far have been dead wrong about everything, hooted and sniffed.
These blogs seem to attract people who can't be wrong and then disappear after they have been proved wrong by events. You know who I mean, but none knows where they are... or cares much either.
I try to read the professional posts here which are consistently good. You can get a pretty good read here on what's happening, as much of the truth as we can handle.
From a prospective a little closer to the action and from years of working the ropes in many campaigns, I salute these young guys for their professionalism and their kindness to strangers.

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DJ, Maine — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:48:48 GMT

Some general comments:

Obama had the majority of the votes that were cast the day of the Florida primary, with Hillary winning early (absentee)votes. 2.5 million democrats AND republicans have already voted in California - let's just hope there were a lot of over anxious republicans voting early, otherwise, California could have the same results as Florida (and you won't hear the early voting numbers as the reason, or how good Obama did considering).

When people say Obamaw's not experienced, all I have to remember is Chaney was Secretary of Defense AND look at what all that experience got us into. Bush was a two term governor. Solid judgement and intelligence is what we need and what we'll get with Obama.

I hear all around me from democrats, independents, and republicans that they will NOT vote for Hillary no matter what. When is the democratic party going to stop doing everything they can to lose - we've got to look beyond the primaries to the general election, the republicans already have us beat at this game by lining up behind the candidate they think has the better chance of beating Hillary. Democrats wake up!

I was a huge Bill Clinton fan, loved him. After watching their win-at-at-all-cost campaign, and hearing her say after NH "I found my voice" at 60 years old, I can no longer say I want to see him back in the Whitehouse. I never thought I would hear myself say that. And if I feel that way, then I can imagine how people that were not too fond of them to begin with feel.

I so much want to see our government work again. I do not want to continue the divisive government we have today, and had in the 90's and we will continue to have if Hillary is elected. It's time to give a new direction a chance. It sure as hell can't get any worse.

I've heard too many woman saying they feel they "should" vote for Hillary just because she's a woman. Isn't that exactly what we fought against all these years - being judged by our gender and not our abilities, but now we're doing exactly that - voting for the "woman" just because she's a woman. One day there will be a woman president, it's just not that time yet, not because we're not ready for woman, but because it's just not time for 'this' woman.

For those interested, the Grateful Dead is having an Obama Rally concert in SF that can be viewed via a live simulcast streamed via the Internet on www.iclips.net at approximately 7:30 PM PST tonight.

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mike b — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:03:21 GMT

HRC will not win the nomination tomorrow sorry folks for those of you predicting a nail in the coffin win please stop you are simply showing how little you know about the race. the way things are set up we will not know for another month at least. when you post statements like "HRC is going win everything on supertue" your really telling the world you have little clue. for the most part you should go back and study the more insightful post like the very first one

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James — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:09:40 GMT

***THERE IS SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE****

Voters, please don't be suckers! Vote smart with your brain, do not be swayed by sappy speeches. This is a very serious election. We need a very qualified person to clean up the mess that Bush will leave. That person is Hillary Clinton, She is clearly the most intelligent, most experienced, most politically skilled with the best grasp of domestic & international issues in the race of any party. The Dems are very lucky to have her.

At the end of the day, after the Obamarama-Opralooza circus show is over (and it will be) we are left with just a man who can talk a good talk. Obama is simply not qualified to be President. Obama has a total free pass from the media. That will end, and he will be crucified in a general election. Don't get played by the corporate owned media.Why do you think they are pushing Obama 24/7? They know he's unelectable. Hillary knows how to beat them at their own game. She's been villified by the rightwingnuts, the leftwingnuts, and the media 24/7, and still she stands strong. She's tough as nails and knows that politics is a dirty, rough business. Always was, always will be. Don't fool yourself that Obama is going to "change anything". He won't change much. NO ONE will change anything too drastically. Hillary is the one who can get things done. Hillary Clinton is a WINNNER, and that is the point, isn't it?

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Michael — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:19:23 GMT

Despite regularly asserting that he is running a positive campaign, Sen. Obama distorted Hillary’s record and laid down a number of misleading attacks today in a speech in Wilmington, DE.

"We expect that John McCain may end up being the nominee. And if John McCain is the nominee, then the Democratic party has to ask itself ‘Do you want a candidate who has similar policies to John McCain on the war in Iraq or someone who can offer a stark contrast?’ See, when I am the nominee, John McCain won’t be able to say that you were for this war in Iraq, because I wasn’t. He won’t be able to say that I followed the Bush-Cheney doctrine in not talking to leaders we don’t like because I don’t. He won’t be able to say that I went along and gave George Bush the benefit of a doubt on Iran because I haven’t. He won’t be able to say that I was unclear about my position on torture because I’ve been absolutely clear we never torture in this country. I can offer a clear and clean break from the failed policies of George W. Bush. I won’t have to explain my votes in the past." [Sen. Obama rally in Wilmington, DE, 2/3/08]

Let’s address Sen. Obama’s allegations one at a time.

First: Sen. Obama begins by criticizing Hillary on Iraq. Sen. Obama does not mention that -- with the exception of Hillary's opposition to the promotion of Iraq war architect Gen. George Casey -- Sen. Obama and Hillary have identical voting records on the Iraq war. Read more here.

Second: Sen. Obama then misrepresents Hillary’s position on diplomacy. Hillary criticized Sen. Obama for pre-committing to a personal meeting in his first year with "with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea." She never said that a president should only meet with America's friends. She also promised vigorous diplomatic efforts with all countries, friend and foe. Read more here.

Third: Sen. Obama then misrepresents Hillary’s position on Iran. In fact, Hillary was one of the earliest and staunchest opponents of Bush’s saber rattling on Iran, and spoke out on the issue back in February:

Hillary made a floor speech declaring that President Bush must get authorization from Congress before taking military action against Iran. [Clinton Release, 2/14/07]

Hillary co-sponsored the Webb bill prohibiting use of funds for military action in Iran without Congressional authorization. [Clinton Release, 10/01/07]

Sen. Obama missed the vote he is now using to attack Hillary. He issued a release 9 hours later and co-sponsored a similar bill in April. The bill was also supported by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), a staunch anti-war Bush critic and prominent Obama supporter. Read more here and here.

Fourth: Sen. Obama accuses Hillary of changing her policy on torture due to ‘the politics of the moment.’ He couldn’t be more wrong. Hillary met with retired generals, talked with experienced military officers, and read reports commissioned by the Defense Intelligence Agency. She concluded that 'torture cannot be part of American policy, period.'

Sen. Obama laments this kind of politics in his book, Audacity of Hope:

For that is how most of my colleagues, Republican and Democrat, enter the Senate…their words distorted, and their motives questioned. [Page 133]

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Martin — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:44:50 GMT

What will Obama change? And how? Nobody knows!

Hillary 08!!

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Martin — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:45:06 GMT

What will Obama change? And how? Nobody knows!

Hillary 08!!

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texas girl — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:45:59 GMT

Jack Nicholson endorsed Hillary Clinton for president where is the BUZZ on that MSNBC this happend this morning on www.rick.com

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Phong Nguyen — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:14:46 GMT

Senator Obama was recently compared to JFK but JFK was a war hero when he was young while Senator Obama admitted to using drugs in his young days in his book as I read in the newspaper. Senator Obama runs on the theme of hope and change because he is short in experience. Senator Obama is a good talker but we should all be careful when we see someone new and nice without knowing much about him. It is true that Martin Luther King's dreams were not realized until President Johnson acted to put them into action but such a thing can not be said because of race. What a double standard!

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REG; East Valley Phx. AZ — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:15:19 GMT

It seems obvious that if what we want is 'more of the same', more of the standard Washington behavior, more of the deceptive rhetoric and egotistic pursuit of self-serving private agendas, then all we need to do is vote for the Republicans or for Hillary Clinton - for more of politics as usual. I think and sincerely hope that we don't do that and that there is better to be had - 'real change'.

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Phong Nguyen, Tamarac, FL — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:24:03 GMT

Senator Obama was compared to President Kennedy recently but JFK was a war hero in his young days while Senator Obama admitted to using drugs in his young days. Senator Obama runs on the theme of hope and change because he is short on experience. It is true that Dr. King's dreams were realized when President Johnson pushed through legislations to help the poor but this fact is not accepted by the African American communities because of race. What a double standard! Change cannot be realized by talk alone! we need an experienced and smart leader like Senator Clinton to solve the problems left by President Bush!

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CAROL STANTON — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:34:27 GMT

Hillary is the next President of the United States of America, common ladies it's time, it's past time.

"SHES COME A LONG WAY BABY" LET HER SHOW WHAT SHE CAN DO.....VOTE FOR HILLARY!!!!!!!

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Ann-Marie Torre , Lafayette,In. — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:35:50 GMT

What is Capitol Hill afraid of. Hillary will do a great job getting America back to number one again.Men are so afraid of woman,and must people on the news talk because thay have a mouth.

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Mark Goodwin, Berkeley, California — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:41:16 GMT

Senator Clinton has based her campaign on an erroneous claim to greater legislative and administrative experience. Former President Clinton talks up her role in his administration on the campaign trail but pointedly refuses to release any documents that would provide greater details on her actual activities there. It is broadly understood that Hillary spearheaded the response team that staved off Republican attacks and spun the many scandals of the Clinton years. As to her Senate record, no one in the press has had the diligence to lay out her record for the public to assess.

Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.
These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.

1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Only five of Clinton's bills are more substantive.

16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it, the facts straight from the Senate Record.

Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced

233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.

In all since enter the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. An impressive record for someone who supposedly has no record according to the spin meisters and mindless twits. I challenge Clinton supporters to name a single legislative accomplishment that demonstrates her superior experience.

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Wayne, North Lauderdale Florida — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:43:46 GMT

Its funny to see people who in 2002 had no problem because they thought war was necessary. Polls that you rely on some much proves that 89% of american agreed with bush to go to war. and as the years progress you all found Jesus. Oh please the war is wrong and it was a mistake because the intelligence was intentionally tampered with. Dont blame hillary she felt wrong just like everyone else and with the information set infront of her by theses incompetent fools called the bush admin she voted for the threat of force. When she realized the problem voted not to found and to end the war. Obama doesnt convince me it just shows me that he is confused.what!!!! did he suddenly think the war was necessary to vote for funding or was his intial blockade just a fluke. I dont know and still dont know alot about him. I know what i get with Hillary someone who votes and if problem arise isnt afraid to reverse her vote by not voting for funding.

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Kim LA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:45:54 GMT

Hillary will take CA and win more delegates tomorrow - Obama is all talk and no action, and Kennedy, Oprah, Shriver - seems desperate to me - if you need Oprah - that means you can't do it on your own. HRC is doing it on her own without those meaningless endorsements. Come on - Joan Baez and Robert DeNiro? Guess we forgot about Jack Nicholson and Robert Kennedy's children and the former Lt Gov of MA, who is a Kennedy - guess we don't care about endorsements unless they are Obama's - I don't care who endorses who - I vote for who I like, not who someone likes. Vote your own conscience - don't follow a Kennedy endorsement (especially from one that left someone to drown and save his own skin)!

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Olga Sirota, Douglasville, GA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:47:22 GMT

I never expected in my lifetime to have the opportunity to vote for the first woman or black president of America. I will vote for
Hillary because she also is for a new beginning and she also, in my view, is more qualified and experienced to be able to start dealing with all the problems facing the new president.

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Kim LA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:47:39 GMT

Chuck - how soon you forget - remember the polls in New Hampshire - we shall overcome! Hillary '08.

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Lindsey, CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:07:36 GMT

Response to: miguel xiques,miami,florida

You said Hillary Clinton is best prepared to deal with the economic crisis, uh... based on what? She's never held a position as an Economist, or a President, or Governor, she's a Junior Senator, just as Senator Obama. No your facts!

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Lindsey, CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:09:29 GMT

Bravo to your post Sierra, SF!

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G. Vaughn, Centerville, Utah — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:21:08 GMT

I was moved by Caroline Kennedy's op-ed piece published in the New York Times on January 27, in which she said that for the first time she could vote for someone to be president who inspired her in the way people tell her that her father inspired them.

Caroline was born the same year I was. My first historical memories are of the tragic assassination of her father. I was sitting in Mrs. Verd's first-grade class at Thoreau Elementary in Kirkland, Washington. As a six-year-old, I didn't know anything about Kennedy's politics or policies (except that we were going to the moon). I didn't know anything about any personal flaws. I didn't even know that my parents hadn't voted for him and that my grandparents apparently had disturbing prejudices against his religion and background. All I knew was that our President had been shot. There were tears in Mrs. Verd's eyes as she led us out to pledge allegiance to the flag that was lowered to half-mast before we were dismissed from school for the day. As a memorial, we contributed nickels and pennies to buy a portrait of President Kennedy to hang in our school.

I have a two-year-old grandson who will likely be in first grade in the third year of the next President's term. It would be so horrible if he had to experience a tragic assassination like I did. But it would be wonderful if he could have the kind of respect for the President like we shared at Thoreau Elementary. The divisive politics of the past few decades from the turmoil of the 60's through the maligning of conservatives and liberals to the manipulative division of the country into red and blue states has tended not to give us presidents who inspire us beyond the politics of partisanship.

Barack Obama is not a flawless human nor does he promote policies that will solve all the problems of this nation or the world. Yet he does appear to have a quality to inspire and lead us towards a better place than we have been. For the first time I feel like I can vote for someone with whom I share the dream of becoming a better nation and a better people instead of choosing the least objectionable of bad political choices.

Yes, this is idealistic. Yes, this requires belief in ourselves and a greater cause – that we can actually do it together. And that is the best thing we can hope for. I also want a President like Caroline's father.

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Joe, FFX, VA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:37:37 GMT

I'm amazed at the level of hatred that is coming from the Obama supports. For people who want change and in an election where we have two great candidates it's really sad to show such hatred. Really sad.

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teopa — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:39:56 GMT

Oligarchy is not democracy. say no to dyNASTY. Billary put the crown DOWN~

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J. O. SLC Utah — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:45:46 GMT

Everybody is saying this election is not about race. Well why is it that is all I hear coming from the political events that Obama has. Oprah yesterday said "I'm not voting because he is Black I am voting because he is the best candidate. If that is the case why mention the race, also Mrs Obama in Utah says it takes someone of another race to bring the country together. All his supporters are black, please don't tell me that race is not an issue we all know it is. What about the endorsement of the nation of islam ? Please, I hope all you voters going to the polls are paying attention to the facts.

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jim geminiano , San Francisco , Calif. — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:46:52 GMT

America, your country is wounded and is bleeding profusely . We must elect a president who is capable of treating the ills of this country -- the economy , health care , and the war in Iraq . Who would be able to implement the cure ? The Experience Surgeon or the Charismatic Faith Healer ?
God forbids but if the country or its allies are attack again , what would Borack do ? Voters should put a backlast on celebrity endorsements and media biases . Elect someone who can get the job done .

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jim geminiano , San Francisco , Calif. — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:48:11 GMT

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J. O. SLC Utah — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:48:52 GMT

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Knowsbetter, SF, CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:52:51 GMT

Miss Jaycee, Ventura CA. Again you want to skip facts and go into rhetoric! Gore lost in 2000 because BC did not stump for him, Gore's choice! Congress was lost due to a cultural shift to the right predicated on homophobia/AIDS, and religious necessity, those of us who were there Remember! Also, the Dems have made wrong choices, as they are so well known for, a military weakling such as Obama, will never win a general election! WAKE-UP DREAMERS! All I hear fom whiners is you can't bring up Obamas past, but we'll keep fighting Hillary on her past. Obama supporters are the hypocrytes they accuse REPS of being. I guess McCain won't be too bad.......

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Alma — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:02:58 GMT

No matter the results, OBAMA has shown America what the power of HOPE is and it will force the establishment to reconsider every step it takes from now on. This is a new America, this is the future already within us and around us. Go America! GO OBAMA!!

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sotiredofignorance — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:04:10 GMT

Jaycee, Congratulations on a well thought out post. I agree with you. If Hillary is the nominee, she takes the sting out of McCain for the neocons. They WILL unite to vote against her. If it is Obama vs McCain, I predict a 3rd party candidate from the Rush Windbag corner of the Repubs. They will sabotage McCain any way they can if he is the nominee...unless he is up against Hillary. Senator Obama needs to be the nominee of the Democratic party. I will be at the MN caucus supporting Senator Obama. Please, all of you, especially you young people. Go to your Caucus or Primary to support Obama. This is YOUR chance to move leadership to the next generation. It is too important to ignore.

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Amy, Honolulu, HI — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:16:12 GMT

Andy Parsons writes (Feb. 4; 6:00pm):

"If Obama were a white woman, no one would even consider voting for him based on his record."

True, but if Hillary were a black men then, 1) She'd never have been able to get the experience she touts, and 2) Bill Clinton, with his new black male spouse and despite all his other skills, would have never been elected governor of Arkansas, let alone President of the United States. Heck, he'd have been lucky to get elected to the local school board.

So, Andy, please stop using accusations of misogyny or patriarchy to dismiss other people's democratic choices. Personally, I'm not voting for Hillary because she's an unapologetic liar who has no real life experience among us people who have smile and do what we're told just so we can eat, clothe our kids, and stretch our ever mounting bills pay day to pay day.

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Christine Maine — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:16:35 GMT

Pat Buchanan obviously hates all Democrats. He may think that Hillary won't be as much of a threat as Obama. Please! Hillary Clinton (she dropped Rodham a long time ago), is brilliant, prepared, experienced... Obama has lofty ideas, but no lofty solutions. He copies John Edwards, who I also love. When the Republicans get a hold of Obama's Indonesian address, his cocaine abuse, his Kenyan born father, his stammering and stuttering, they will wipe the floor with him. He even has trouble pronouncing Massachusetts. The press favors Obama because he's a new story. He repeatedly uses lines like the same old thing. He says the same old things. We need substance, not hokey bull. When McCain and Clinton are in the debate, you will see what an experienced, well-spoken President Hillary Clinton will be. This woman has solutions for our very economically and environmentally damaged country. 96% of the Senators voted the same way about the Iraq war that she did. The United Nations and the whole world was lied to with phony intelligence that the criminal Bush administration made up. Give Hillary the respect, admiration, and the vote that she deserves. No one shows more morality and care for our fellow man than she does.

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Mar, Washington, DC — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:23:38 GMT

One of the problems is that reporters don't seem to have any good measure of what the expectations really are. This estimate of how the delegates might turn out suggests that Clinton would have less than a 100 delegate lead after tomorrow night:
http://ccpsblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/super-tuesday-democratic-delegate-count.html

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Calm in Conneticut — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:41:33 GMT

Pat who? It seems like people think this is a survivor show or something. Whenever I see someone typing in all caps you have to just figure they need to calm down a little bit.

Our acting president should be impeached so I really don't think that there is anything anyone has done that compares.. Drug cartels? give me a break,

Oh and do we want "Kennedy" leading the charge? He is old school and Obama can't even unit the Dems let alone the country. Do you honestly think white R's over the age of 50 will vote for him?

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David Burns, NY NY — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:46:15 GMT

"who will have the courage to resist pressure from the narrow-minded bellicose right, who will admit to error when major mistakes are made, and who can look farther over the horizon than most of us"

I guess that explains why he took money from special interests and watered down the bill to require Nuclear Plants to disclose leaks in his state. Why his chief political strategist works for them. Why he has taken over $200,000 in campaign donations from people who he claimed to oppose.. I guess that is why in our neighborhood there isn't any early warning system in place even though on the campaign trail he claims he passed legislation.

Wake up people. Obama is an actor.. a politicians politician. What one thing did he do in Illinois or the Senate that you like? name one

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jj — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:53:55 GMT

We don't need a hedonist like Clinton-an affirmative action candidate like Obama; a dope-like McCain. .WE NEED a nerd.

LIKE ROMNEY.
-on a short MORMON leash-

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Noel Jack, Miami, Florida — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:00:40 GMT

If Hillary wins the nominationshe will cause more Republicans to vote. Because of her vote on Iraq the Republicans will come out in droves to vote against herand then McCain will become President. Hillary is obviously the weaker candidate against the Republicans. Obama on the other hand will draw significant support from Independents and even coservative and moderate sRepublicans. They will find it very difficult or even impossible to attack him. Remember South Carolina and the problems Bill Clinton got himself into and his "fairy tale" comments. Obviously Barack is a greater contrast to McCain since he didn't vote for the war and can encourage the antiwar groups, the younger voters,Independents and the Republicans to come out in great numbers. Come on People, THINK. Vote Obama or Hillary WILL LOSE.

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Heather H, CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:21:40 GMT

Hillary is a blatant liar, a manipulator and untrustworthy. All this talk from HRC supporters about her "experience" etc. Not one has yet articulated what that means exactly, nor can any specify her platform with any kind of detail beyond vague notions. Meanwhile HRC divides, villifies and displays her incredible egomaniacal personality. And yes, I've been democrat all my life, voted for Bill (2x) and used to wonder at all the Hillary haters. She has shown her colors, she clearly ran for NY senate (yes, folks, she is a Freshman senator, just what she accuses Obama of being; before that she was a president's wife; her hubby was younger at the inaugural than Obama will be next January. Interesting note of total blatant hypocrisy. She is one of the biggest benefactors of lobbyists. Obama is not taking any such contributions. If HRC's role as first lady means real substantive experience, then she has no excuse for voting for the war given her stance because she of all people should have seen bullshit for what it was. Since she didn't vote against, I can only assume she was doing what most first ladies do. Admirable, but it doesn't count against real solid experience in state government and in the trenches of real community involvement). As some have said, it isn't what you do when everyone is looking, it is what you do in the shadows before anyone knew who you were. Only one D candidate can say with pride). Her health plan failed. Her new plan is even worse than communism. At least Castro has the decency to pay for the insurance instead of requiring those at the lowest tier to subsidize those above them. She should have either taken the freemarket route with incentives like Obama, or been ready to take criticism. And of couse she wasn't and now she dodges questions left and right. As for her Social Security issues, what I want to know is what fireman or policeman (save the chief) makes between $100K and $200K a year. Her bullshit unsubstantiated alarmist claims need to stop and she needs to put her selfish narcissism aside for the better good of the country. In my view it's Obama or McCain. I want Obama in office more than anything because in my view he has far more substance than his detractors assert, and he is far more presidential. He also has substantial support of Republicans in his state. That speaks volumes. Where is HRC for Arkansas? And can anyone really imagine Vlad Putin rallying around simply because Hillary cried? Give me a break! And who can honestly believe the tears really meant what she says they did. Like the world would be so lost without her. It would be one thing if by some luck this was 2004 and she was running against Bush in the general and was losing that she felt desperate. But how can Obama be a bad thing?

If Hillary gets the nomination thanks to the establishment media etc. and remaining Dems who have no guts, and no vision and no ability to see what's happening in their country, then I'm going for McCain. I disagree with at least two of his major positions but at least he is consistent and I respect him for not pandering. At least McCain, like Obama, can look across the aisle with respect, with a different viewpoint perhaps but ultimately with the view of getting things done, not "fighting" for the sake of a fight. The former is leadership. I thought I'd never get to this point as a Democrat (potentially voting Republican should it come to that), but there you have it. And so far, a number of Democrats I know agree. False steps on the part of Dems will prove their ultimate downfall. Unity and rational compromise is key.

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Michael — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:22:21 GMT

It is simply amazing how many people can sell their souls (and votes) over pure political rhetoric. 'CHANGE - YES WE CAN"....this is what the excitement is all about...???

Intelligent and insightful people would look "beyond the rhetoric" and compare the records of the two candidates. If you gave someone Hillary Clinton's resume and Barack Obama's resume...and muted the rhetoric from both candidates... it would be a LANDSLIDE WIN for Hillary Clinton.

But...thanks to the media...and the ability of Barack Obama to "speak like" Martin Luther King, Jr and other famous orators in history...people are quick to lose their senses.

- People voting for Barack Obama is voting for STYLE over SUBSTANCE.

- People voting for Hillary Clinton is voting for SUBSTANCE over STYLE.

At a time of war and economic recession....it would be plain stupid to place anyone in office with no foreign policy experience, very little experience in Washington, and a private background that leaves room for questioning (his "unabashedly black" church and his muslim upbringing).

The last time this country voted for someone with little experience in Washington but alot of RHETORIC....we ended up with our current President George Bush. We cannot...and should not...make the same mistake three times in a row.

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pennyca — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:34:37 GMT

why does the media get all points slanted towards towards OH BAMA!! They always criticize the Clintons. Just this morning, Michelle Oh Bamah was interviewed on ABC - and she clearly expressed that she would not want her family to go through another campaign experience if Oh Bamah loses. Hey lady, if you really love your country and your husband wants to serve his country then deal with it. The Clintons clearly, in their hearts, want to serve - that's why I support them. I am a democrat - but if Oh Bamah gets the nomination (i keep praying for his loss), then I will definitely go with McCain. I know, in his heart and mind, and so with Mrs. McCain, that they want to serve this great country.

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Bob, Dubuque, IA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:36:00 GMT

All the talk about Clinton's vote on Iraq has me puzzeled. She won't admit it was a mistake but says she was mislead by Bush. Nobody mentions the Iran vote "recently" that she supported that allowed Bush once again to use military force in a country much more difficule to defeat and much less divided against itself. I know she doesn't want to "appear" soft but damn she could not have been misled on this on. More of the politics as usual.

Viet Vet

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Jim, Santa Cruz — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:37:35 GMT

Obama's speech at the convention will seal the deal.

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Bill — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:46:26 GMT

Doesn't Gary think that eating Rice is bad for your Hart?

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Roger wesley,Nashville TN — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:50:03 GMT

Media is with Obama and they only promoting him paricular CNN and and Tucker and Chris mr.hardball as well.if they play nutral roll in this primary may outcome could get more delegates.all black folks population behind Obama and white young voters supporing him for a change,but i don't know what kind of change he wants.think twice before you vote.

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US Vet — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:12:07 GMT

New York Times

Op-Ed Columnist

Clinton, Obama, Insurance

By PAUL KRUGMAN

Published: February 4, 2008
The principal policy division between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama involves health care. It’s a division that can seem technical and obscure — and I’ve read many assertions that only the most wonkish care about the fine print of their proposals.

But as I’ve tried to explain in previous columns, there really is a big difference between the candidates’ approaches. And new research, just released, confirms what I’ve been saying: the difference between the plans could well be the difference between achieving universal health coverage — a key progressive goal — and falling far short.
Specifically, new estimates say that a plan resembling Mrs. Clinton’s would cover almost twice as many of those now uninsured as a plan resembling Mr. Obama’s — at only slightly higher cost.

Let’s talk about how the plans compare.

Both plans require that private insurers offer policies to everyone, regardless of medical history. Both also allow people to buy into government-offered insurance instead.

And both plans seek to make insurance affordable to lower-income Americans. The Clinton plan is, however, more explicit about affordability, promising to limit insurance costs as a percentage of family income. And it also seems to include more funds for subsidies.

But the big difference is mandates: the Clinton plan requires that everyone have insurance; the Obama plan doesn’t.

Mr. Obama claims that people will buy insurance if it becomes affordable. Unfortunately, the evidence says otherwise.

After all, we already have programs that make health insurance free or very cheap to many low-income Americans, without requiring that they sign up. And many of those eligible fail, for whatever reason, to enroll.

An Obama-type plan would also face the problem of healthy people who decide to take their chances or don’t sign up until they develop medical problems, thereby raising premiums for everyone else. Mr. Obama, contradicting his earlier assertions that affordability is the only bar to coverage, is now talking about penalizing those who delay signing up — but it’s not clear how this would work.

So the Obama plan would leave more people uninsured than the Clinton plan. How big is the difference?

To answer this question you need to make a detailed analysis of health care decisions. That’s what Jonathan Gruber of M.I.T., one of America’s leading health care economists, does in a new paper.

Mr. Gruber finds that a plan without mandates, broadly resembling the Obama plan, would cover 23 million of those currently uninsured, at a taxpayer cost of $102 billion per year. An otherwise identical plan with mandates would cover 45 million of the uninsured — essentially everyone — at a taxpayer cost of $124 billion. Over all, the Obama-type plan would cost $4,400 per newly insured person, the Clinton-type plan only $2,700.

That doesn’t look like a trivial difference to me. One plan achieves more or less universal coverage; the other, although it costs more than 80 percent as much, covers only about half of those currently uninsured.

As with any economic analysis, Mr. Gruber’s results are only as good as his model. But they’re consistent with the results of other analyses, such as a 2003 study, commissioned by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, that compared health reform plans and found that mandates made a big difference both to success in covering the uninsured and to cost-effectiveness.

And that’s why many health care experts like Mr. Gruber strongly support mandates.

Now, some might argue that none of this matters, because the legislation presidents actually manage to get enacted often bears little resemblance to their campaign proposals. And there is, indeed, no guarantee that Mrs. Clinton would, if elected, be able to pass anything like her current health care plan.

But while it’s easy to see how the Clinton plan could end up being eviscerated, it’s hard to see how the hole in the Obama plan can be repaired. Why? Because Mr. Obama’s campaigning on the health care issue has sabotaged his own prospects.

You see, the Obama campaign has demonized the idea of mandates — most recently in a scare-tactics mailer sent to voters that bears a striking resemblance to the “Harry and Louise” ads run by the insurance lobby in 1993, ads that helped undermine our last chance at getting universal health care.

If Mr. Obama gets to the White House and tries to achieve universal coverage, he’ll find that it can’t be done without mandates — but if he tries to institute mandates, the enemies of reform will use his own words against him.

If you combine the economic analysis with these political realities, here’s what I think it says: If Mrs. Clinton gets the Democratic nomination, there is some chance — nobody knows how big — that we’ll get universal health care in the next administration. If Mr. Obama gets the nomination, it just won’t happen.

Finally the truth is starting to come out about Obama's sorry healthcare plan! Obama is telling lies to America when he tells us his healthcare plan is "universal" and will cover everyone. Obama's plan will leave MILLIONS of Americans without any insurance. Obama is against affordable universal healthcare coverage for EVERY American. The Obama plan is bogus and wrong for America.

The choice is clear: Vote for Hillary!

Estamos Contigo Hillary!!!

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A Sellers, Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:20:25 GMT

Me and 3 of my family members voted absentee 3 weeks ago. We all voted for Obama. I think Obama will get more absentee votes than expected.

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Pure fact — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:24:35 GMT

The Clinton's served their agenda for eight years!! The gutless coward destroyed the unity of our Armed forces, Millions of Illegals flowed across the borders. Kissed the a@@es of those who would bring death and destruction , Employed corruption, Boldly stood before the people and told one bald faced lie after another. Served the office of the President as a slime ball trailer trash bum, brought scandal after scandal before the people, wasted millions dollars being investigated, And the list is never ending ""scandal "" open aggression towards race and the common man.. supports a socialist meaningless want to be President! Voting for Clinton will be the same as voting for Hitler!!!!!

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Russ Maine — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:25:05 GMT

I will bet Hillary wont win the nomination tommorrow i called the media and gave them a heads up to expect the worst..Only they forgot to tell you...You use the media like puppetts at your will...Well hopefully the voters will tune you out...Change Yes we can Independents wake up and vote for change...no politics as usual.......Change Washington......

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iowan — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:25:15 GMT

jaycee--

you are tres' cool and quite smart. Thanks for sharin' your stuff.

Let's be hoping half of the nation can finish what we got started here in the hinterlands.

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T . — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:27:59 GMT

can i run for president i have done nothing for the country but i have been a community leader for 12 years and i have sat on 4 boards for youth council 3 city councils and a number of other charities i dont have any special interest in my back pocket ,,but hey i'm a great sales person and can talk too,,, throw the race card in and heck i'm a hell of a guy....please people you are all being sold on OBAMA dont fall for it ,,, no real experience ....please dont give him the military and the world.... he is just not ready obama 2016 sounds more realistic to me........hrc in 08' dont hate appriciate... 35 yrs experience.....

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Kathleen Ritch, El Granada, CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:33:41 GMT

MSNBC an even handed news station? Hardly. Why is it their only reporter that sounds remotely fair is Dan Abrams. On his program tonight he reported that an independent survey group found that 83% of media stories were favorable to Obama while only 47% of Clinton stories were positive. What ever happended to fairly reporting events and letting people make up their own minds? Obama is the media darling yet he voted "present" 128 times while Illinois state Senator, and in his first 2 years in the U.S. Senate has missed 37% of the votes. Talk about an "empty suit." This is who the media thinks is the better candidate? Or are they simply trying to drum up a closer contest to make their job seem more important. Why is it that Obama's surge happened around the time the media started promoting him 24/7?
Kathleen Ritch
El Granada, CA

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Johnny — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:35:20 GMT

Obama would make a great preacher. He talks like a preacher, acts like a preacher. I wouldn't vote for a preacher.

He will NOT be our next president.

Vote Hillary on Feb. 5th.

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marjorie moore, yorba linda, california — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:13:49 GMT

Our Presidency, being the highest office in the land,
should be occupied by someone with more than scum bag
morals. I am not a conservative, but I cannot accept
any more national leaders who make the Oval
Room into a brothel and rent the Lincoln bed (which
belongs to the American people) to donators to their personal finances. Neither do I appreciate the
millions of dollars given by Middle Eastern financiers
to the Clintons every year. Hillary says there should
be more transparency to this, but Bill will never allow that. This is Bill running for the Presidency,
Hillary is his front woman. Can anyone stand eight
more years of Bill Clinton as president? Hillary could not run for anything without his being her back
bone.

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jl, boston ma — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:40:20 GMT

Hillary has a proven record and the experience.
If Obama becomes the Democratic Nominee, his position will change. He has no experience and only talks about "Change" with no substance. In the end, all of his advisors and cabinet will be the same people that have been in Washington for years.
I wonder if Ted Kennedy's son Patrick will be in his cabinet ? Maybe that is why he is supporting Obama.
I wonder when Rose Kennedy is going to come out to support Obama.
All the money wasted on campaigning by all the candidates could have been used to feed the poor.

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jvjv — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:24:40 GMT

"Triangulation" and "centrism" very true key words from Sierra, SF regarding the Clintons' spin of politics. Maybe this will get your attention all Clintons fans.

Dick Morris, some of you may have heard, was a Clinton dirty strategist back in the 90's. Whether you believe him or not, it's worth checking it out and no I'm not affiliated to this site or anybody. I just got linked to this after checking some profiles.
Oh yeah, if you want, check out Dick Morris' profile to see his analysis has a good point.

Dirty Politics is all I can see and you guys just went for the bait as usual.

http://thehill.com/dick-morris/how-clinton-will-win-the-nomination-by-losing-s.c.-2008-01-23.html

http://thehill.com/dick-morris/in-contrast-to-obama-hillary-plays-the-race-card-2008-01-16.html

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Enio Marini — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:52:35 GMT

I have been reading all the gossip that most of you have been writing which comes to show how our society has become a bunch of muppets and degenerates!!!!
WHY is the young generation so stupid and naive yes Obama is not a bad candidate yes for a black man he is much better than the the Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's of the world but what has this guy really accomplished how easy are young voters influenced by quick talk Yes the Clintons are no angels but you must remember the Clinton years in the White House were good knock the Clintons all you want but they are true fighters and left this country with a surplus of money which this idiot George Bush Jr spent in the first six(6) months he was in office before 911 so wake up people the 90's were not the best but compared to the late 80's and today no doubt the economy was better in the Clinton years another note which Americans did not see the economy after 911 began to tank what did the current administration do they had the fed lower the interest rates had all the mortgage programs to get people to buy homes no money down loans that had no stated income interst only loans WAKE UP PEOPLE all this was a scam this administration knew these people were sooner or later were gonna lose their homes instead of dealing with the problems they extended it that's all they did what your seeing now should of hit us around the end of 2003 into 2004 they prolonged the recession so Bush would not be a one term President like his father. I believe on the Democratic side Hillary is the better candidate but no matter who wins Hillary or Obama in the end a republican will take the white house because there are still enough americans in the middle of this counrty that are not liberal enough to elect a woman or a black man as President. In my opinion BRING BACK THE CLINTON YEARS and let's make history!!!!!!

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Johnny, sby, ct — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:10:42 GMT

Obama is a good preacher man. He talks a great deal
He preaches to us and a lot fo people like that. Kinda like going to church and listening to a good sermon. However, talk is cheap. At least Hillary's speeches have substance. If I want a sermon I'll go to church. If I want a president who does more than talk.... I'll vote for Hillary. So should everyone.

HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT. VOTE HILLARY FEB 5TH.

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Laura, Sammamish WA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:10:43 GMT

Wow, what nasty comments calling Hillary supporters sickos. That says a lot about the Republicans who are scared to have to run against Sen. Clinton.
She has alread been investigated and turned inside out, so they don't have any thing else to take her down. So, they now have people in the mainstream media to say that she has too many negatives, isn't likeable, and so on and so on. Well Google for the
article in The City Edition, "Karl Rove Bamboozles American Electorate - Again." You will see just what the Republicans are doing to steal this election again. Obama has been given a pass...no tough questions to answer...remember how Bush got a pass and look what we got.

I want to know something about the person for whom I will be voting for -- a good resume is important.
Check out what Maya Angelou said about why Hillary is the girl for her to be President. Oh, you didn't know that Maya Angelou has endorsed Hillary Clinton.
Well wonder why not?????? This is the most biased
media coverage I have ever witnessed. How to feed a movement, and Americans I wish you would vote with your minds, not your emotional "moment." I don't want a "moment".. I want a future for our country and my family.

I just heard David Schuster speak out against the Clinton's daughter making phone calls for Mother.
The former Governor of California reminded him that this is America. Shame on you, David Schuster. This just goes to show you that women are still fighting for their rights to even have freedom of speech.

laura WA STATE

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Laura, Sammamish WA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:10:44 GMT

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tom nagle — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:32:38 GMT

it's a shame that such a gifted man as bill clinton is or was a liar both to his wife and to the american people. remember " I did not have sex with that woman." Hilary's evasions and distortions of the facts are very troubling. I sincerely hope that she does not prevail. If she does it will be politics as usual I fear. Both she and McCain seem to be willing to take any position that would gender votes. They both seem to obsessed with the presidency. I don't know what drives McCain. The clintons money and power I suspect. Obama is a life preserver thrown to the drowning. God only knows what success his presidency would have,but he's at least given me hope.

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Chris B., OK — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:42:54 GMT

FYI...
Mr. Obama's spiritual advisor/minister is an anti-white, anti-Israel friend of Louis Farrakhan. This leader of his church is quite the radical and he advises Obama on everything (name is Jeremiah Wright). Add this to Obama's deceptive ties to Exelon Energy Co. and Mr. Rezko and his empty rhetoric...this makes for a scary scenario.

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Chad, Seattle, Wa — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:50:42 GMT

LOL @ AJ's post... he talks like he's in support of Clinton then says Obama's the underdog just like the NY Giants.... ummm, you do realize the giants won right? You nub.

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John Richards — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:53:36 GMT

If Barack Obama wins in 08, it will be like David Norman Dinkins as president.

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John Richards, Newark, New Jersey — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:55:27 GMT

David Norman Dinkins for President!

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n garraud walton ny — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:23:25 GMT

this country is in a lot of mess we need a team like the clintons they are smart they know what to do to get us back the way other nation use to look at us with pride i like Obama but the mess that we are in is too much for him to handle.

i will vote for Hillary she and Husband have the brain to move us foward

Hillary Hillary Hillary

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joyce lerouge brooklyn ny — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:24:29 GMT

i love Hillary

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Mark, Los Angeles — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:37:07 GMT

If we do hear spin from the Billary camp that they have "commitments" from Superdelegates which will give them the edge, please understand that that those commitments can change. Any Superdelegate can change their decision right up to the vote at the convention. Whatever they might tell either campaign, their self interest is in voting for the strongest candidate. I believe that will be Barack Obama, but time will tell.

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JD, Pittsburgh, PA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:54:02 GMT

Let me start off with I'm a Democrat and I will support our nominated candidate, be it Hillary or Barack. I'll further state that I will vote for Hillary because she is the strongest candidate, based on experience and track record, who has the best chance of implementing the change we are seeking. Barack is developing excellent credentials and would be a great choice as a running mate which would lock up the Democratic White House for the next 16 years. Please people, select your candidate based on who can best implement the changes. Hillary is the one right now.

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JD, Pittsburgh, PA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:59:39 GMT

To all of the commentators (yes I said commentators vs. analysts) on the networks - Please analyze the facts and present them to the public. I have no problem with interpretation of the facts and presentation of your opinions, that's what ANALYSIS is all about. But don't slant and bias the interpretations to support your own personal preferences. Unfortunately, the public has been getting a distortion of the facts by the so called pundits/commentators. Please try harder, there's a lot at stake.

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bustermorrison, minnesota — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:14:11 GMT

Obama supporters, I would rather hear positives about your candidate, rather than negatives about Clinton.

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WP, Edison NJ — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:33:33 GMT

For a look at the REAL Hillary, David Brooks on the NY Times web site has an article about her health care plan. Take a look here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/opinion/05brooks.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

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D Andrews, Charlotte, NC — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:45:10 GMT

Obama honest?

See AVIBiopharma.

See Skyterra.

See Tony Rezko.

A role model?

See Larry Sinclair.

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Phred, NH — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:46:33 GMT

Super Tuesday has finally come
Voting machines are starting to hum

The race for delegates has begun
On that I'll have a sticky bun

For whichever candidate you cast your vote
You've fulfilled your duty on a positive note

So let the pundits explain to us all
Who'll be running for office this coming fall

Be it Clinton, Obama, Romney or McCain
We'll know our votes were not cast in vain

We are citizens all in this political fight
By voting we excercise our inalienable right

So to my fellow voters across this great land
Please go to the polls and lend us a hand

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Microtek, Houston, TX — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:05:37 GMT

"Hillary put us in Iraq. Obama will get us out of Iraq" --> Hillary did absolutely right at the time of false information. Even Collin Power was fooled by the Bush administration. Obama just guessed like a monkey, "for or against", it just a luck guess, no inteligent involved here.

"The Clintons are scandalous and corrupt. Obama is honest and a role model." --> Obama is only a crook, smart at fooling people. Unforunately, lots of people are fooling by Obama. Ask Obama how he is financing his new home right after he become a senator ???????
What is Obama going to buy after he become US President??????? with what source of income if not from corruption?????

"Hillary is Senator "more of the same". Obama is president elect "change"" ----> What is the changes really Obama made? and anybody see the change???

WAKE UP PEOPLE VOT FOR HILLARY
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT

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Kathy Casey, Palm Bay Florida — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:16:44 GMT

No one can change Washington. Especially the new kid on the block. He is a great speaking but he reminds me of a person does well on essay questions. If you are a good bullsh-- person then you can convince people you know what you are going to do when you get in the White House. If you are specific then you are tell us exactly what you are going to do with great detail. Hillary is the only one with that ability because clout comes with experience and it takes alot of clout to get things done. He has not much of either clout or experience. He can run in 2012 and will be doing so after he losses California, New Mexico, Conn, Mass, New York, Tenn, Mo, Oklahoma, Arizona, Deleware, Alabama and Minn. and don't forget Nev, NH, Michigan and Florida. WOWT hat all is the big MO, forget delegates, superdelegates and endosements will come Hillary's way and leave Barack. MSNBC just wants Barak for the story.

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Oliver, Cleveland, OH — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:22:35 GMT

Come on Barack lets end this battle with those Clintons tonight.

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Shutupandvote, California — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:24:42 GMT

To:jaycee, Ventura, California (Sent Monday, February 04, 2008 5:27 PM
That is exactly what they do; have you been listing to everything the MSNBC/OBAMA channel has been saying for the last month? Is it wrong for someone to have a different opinion than you? WOW. This is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Just let the voters, (like you) have their say IN THE BOOTH. I believe in the democratic process and not what the pundits or the MSNBS/OBAMA channel believes. They have all been wrong more often than not.

More importantly, we just need to stick to the issues, and stick together no matter who the Democratic nominee is. Whoever it is, he/she will be difficult to beat in the general. Lets stay positive and look to the future. The problem with this election are people like you that feed the flames of discord. Just shut-up, stay positive, VOTE, and Keep hope alive!

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shutupandvote, California — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:27:40 GMT

To:Sierra, SF (Sent Monday, February 04, 2008 6:17 PM)

He lost stupid! Shut up and VOTE. Tell that to the dummies that voted for him!

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shutupandvote, Califorina — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:29:12 GMT

To:D ANDERS TX (Sent Monday, February 04, 2008 6:20 PM)

What have you done that we don't know about? Shut up and vote.

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shutupandvote, Califorina — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:34:16 GMT

To:Mark, Los Angeles (Sent Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:37 AM)

Her name is Hillary, STUPID and to call her anything else does not help the party, Remember, if Obama wins he needs her votes to beat the Republican nominee, and at this point, he will not get mine because of idiots like you. Shut up and vote stupid!

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Chris, MI — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:10:01 GMT

A common response to the electability argument (that Obama can bring in crossover Republicans and independents, whereas Hillary's reputation has already been decided negatively among those groups) from Clinton supporters seems to be, "We've already heard all the dirt and all the scandals, so in the general election, the Republicans can't find anything new."

Didn't anyone read the news this week? Didn't anyone notice the story on Bill Clinton trading the clout of his name to get donors to his foundation some sweet uranium deals in the former Soviet Bloc? Or is this where Hillary looks "tough" for having a difference of opinion with her husband about how smart it is to encourage dealings with an un-Democratic and oppressive regime. The former president pulling strings to benefit donors to his causes. Yes, by all means, let's put that type of thing back in the White House, but I'm sorry; the argument that all the Clinton dirt came out in the 90s doesn't hold water. Does anyone honestly believe the two of them have been squeaky clean since Bill left office? He couldn't keep scandal-free while he had the eyes of the free world on him. Who knows what he's been up to since?

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Sherri Mesquite, Texas — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:23:22 GMT

If Obama was truly concerned about the future he would step aside for his party and country. His wife should support the party whether it's her husband or not, talk about shi**y! So she would rather have the republicians stay in office?! Hillary has the experience and has paid her dues. Obama is the future...like 2017! What has he done to merit the highest office in the land? Change...I think the first female president is change! If she had his record, her name would not even be on a ballot! If he were a white woman, no one would even listen to his pretty words! Just like O.J.( they ALL knew he killed two people and yet they rallied behind him anyway!),the blacks will rally behind Obama even though he isn't the most experienced (Oprah made sure of that). The media made race an issue, not the Clintons. I will be deeply sadden if Hillary doesn't win, it is the first and more than likely last chance in a long while that we could change history with the first female President. I would vote for the first black president IF Obama had the experience Hillary has! Our country is in too big a mess...we need experience to go forward!

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ChrisSp13, seminole, fl — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:40:08 GMT

This is getting more ignorant by the meaning. To the guy who said a putting HC in the white house would be the same as putting Hitler in the country. Do us all a favor, pick the hard drug of your choice and take lethal doses. There is absolutely no need for that hate speak.

Also, on this "theory" that Obama has the best shot because everyone will come out to vote against HC. What kind of backwards thinking is that? You think Right wingers who hate Clinton won't come out to vote against Obama? Also, Obama was voted the most liberal senator, you don't think most conservatives will come out to vote against him?

Last note: I love the rhetoric that gets spewed against Clinton because she voted for the resolution. NEWSFLASH: Obama wasn't in the senate at the time so he never cast a vote. Yes, he gave a very good POLITICAL speech against it prior to becoming a senator. But who really knows if he would have voted for or against it, had he had the same information and been in the same circles as HC. He voted for every single war spending bill and on the issue that some of his supporters love to bang on HC for: The Iran Vote, such a big deal for Obama supporters. Oh yeah, he didn't bother to vote on that issue. I'm assuming on his track record he would have prob. voted present on the resolution had he been a senator. Kind of like most votes he choose to not to vote for or against. He likes to ride the fence, that way he can't be criticized it they fail, or can use an excuse about the way it was written.

He's a politician PERIOD. Everyone talks about his message of change and not being status quo. Well guess what, when he's president he needs to deal with Politicians, not easily duped people who buy into fluff speak with no substance.

P.S. I love how some of you talk about how much you love Obama's message of change and No typical politics etc. etc. Yet, you are venomous in your personal and hatred attacks against Hillary. Your base or at least many who post here are a walking talking contradiction. Why not attempt to practice what your saviour preaches.

Correction : Who ever said HC was a freshman senator doesn't both to check there facts (as usual) she's in her 2nd term and has proved twice already that she can in fact beat those droves of Republicans who will come out to vote against her.

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Chris, MI — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:50:23 GMT

This experience mantra is getting ridiculous. Obama has held an elected office far longer than Mrs. Clinton. She was the wife of a Governor and President. She was a partner in a law firm which specialized in defending corporate interests. She sat on the boards of several companies, including WalMart. She is a freshman Federal Senator, just like Obama.

Clinton supporters keep asking us to compare their resumes. Well I have. Obama's resume of public service trumps hers.

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ChrisSp13, seminole, fl — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:09:53 GMT

Chris in MI,

1. HC is not a freshman senator. She is in her 2nd term. I don't where you are getting your info from but it's wrong.

2. So you discount her years as frist lady in the white house and at a state level? Let's at least be fair. She was not at home knitting sweaters, she has been heavily involved in social programs and issues since she was in college. You can't discount those experiences on a state and Washington level, just because she wasn't holding an elected position. I know many try, but that line of thinking just doesn't hold water.

3. Yes, she worked for a law firm that worked for Walmart? Whooptie doo. So what you are saying is she has direct knowledge and information regarding to how corporations work and the loopholes they use. Sounds like a good thing to have that knowledge to me. It's also been reported that she fought behind closed doors against some of the things Walmart did and it's also been reported that's one of the reasons she left. She has in the future returned donations that they gave to her campaign. Obama worked for a firm that worked for Rezco. I think the latter would be more of an issue when you take into account the house benefits he recieved from Rezco. (although I don't think it's that BIG of a deal, if you are going to use the fact she represented Walmart as a negative, then those in glass houses.......)

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:08:30 GMT

Get this...Hillary has no substance. Her entire candidacy is base on political expediency. Her lack of clarity on Social Security and DL's for undocumented workers (finally came out against this) is the result of the politics of opportunism. She is the Tallyrand of American politics and will go the as does the prevailing winds.

All of that apparent wonkishness reminds me of someone who tries to obscure the truth with meaningless data. She appears as if she is some administrative assistant, not a leader.

Most importantly, concerning her votes on the Iraq war, she totally failed on what should have been the signature of her tenure in the Senate. She can try to wiggle her way out of that responsibility but anyone who read the 93 page NIE didn't vote for Bush's resolution to authorize the use of force in Iraq. In addition her explanation of her negation of the Levin/Reed amendment was an embarrassing to listen to.

So yes, Obama is inspirational and has the leadership skills to enfranchise previously uninvolved voters. Yes, he is the candidate of the future, the consensus builder who can work across the aisle. But, he is the candidate of substance. He is the candidate who is ready to be right from day one.
Obama'08

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:08:40 GMT