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adam/nyc — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:28:43 GMT

V O T E

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Jim Tampa, FL — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:39:03 GMT

Music may say it best.
Clinton: "Good Hearted Woman" (Box Car Willie)

Obama: "The Great Pretender" (The Platters)

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Lynette, NYC — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:39:41 GMT

Two coments here.. That's a fine example that Michelle Obama makes, great democrat she is, not willing to stand by THE PARTY if hubby doesnt get the nod. This is politics lady, stop taking it all so personally. What are you going GOP if you lose, C'mon now your husband is attempting to represent OUR PARTY...the democratic party. Are you going to pull a Bill Belechick and run inside without giving credit where it is due. Dont be a sore loser if it comes to it. Hillary would promote her party till the death.

Secondly, sadly the answer is yes it is a celebrity showdown.... Although I love Bobby Deniro, i dont care who he votes for..

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Mike,New York,New York — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:50:37 GMT

100% correct, Lynette. I agree.

Go Hillary! Madame President.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:52:22 GMT

“‘In my White House, we will know who wears the pantsuits,’

Isn't that what got Bill in trouble in the first place?

On June 15, 1993, Cooper met with Clinton to discuss their differences. Clinton was “ice cold” at the meeting, Cooper recalls. “It was the coldest reception of my life. I was excoriated.”

Cooper told her that she was getting pulled too far to the left. He warned that her plan would never get through Congress. Clinton’s response, Cooper now says, was: “We’ll crush you. You’ll wish you never mentioned this to me.”

Things haven't changed today...
Hillary is still a mean nasty little witch...
Do we really need someone like that in the White House?

The Clinton effort backfired. It temporarily raised his profile back home. Her health care reform failed, too. She says she’s learned the lessons from that failure, but she remains icy toward Cooper. Her health care memos, including a three-page memo drafted in preparation for her meeting with Cooper, have not been made public by the National Archives.

Why does that not surprise me????
Hillary loves her secrets.....
Why hasn't a FOIA request been made????????
Why hasn't the press done it's job in finding out all the Clinton health plans?????

Moreover, the debate Clinton is having with Barack Obama echoes the debate she had with Cooper 15 years ago.

And we all saw what a mean, nasty little girl she became with Obama, only Obama wasn't going to fool with her and dealt with Hillary on the spot, that is why the race got a lot tighter then the Clinton's imagined.

Cooper is, of course, a man who has been burned in the past. But it is legitimate to wonder if adults can really change all that much. A defter politician would have reached out to Cooper and made an attempt to address the concerns he represents.

Burn me once shame on you....
Burn me twice, shame on me......

Anybody who deals with the Clinton's knows they are taking their careers (and in some instances their life) into the hot areas of hades for all the world to see.

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--NSMsnbc — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:55:20 GMT

she got “choked up in an episode remarkably similar to the emotional moment that propelled her to a win in New Hampshire.”
--And there is a raise in the terror level directly preceeding a Democratic/Republican election. The timing of this second bout is suspicious, win at all costs.

It's funny how all the candidates have adopted the change message, but the one who does it best, the one who did it first, the only one who means something by it is Barack Obama. Believe in it, vote for it.

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Melissa — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:02:08 GMT

I am tried of Obama, he gives a speech to get elected into the Senate and he all of sudden hes god. This is so stupid, I to along with alot of my friends gave great speechs against the war and we didn't say it just to get elected, we truely meant protested against. And he has said if he would have been in the Senate he really doesn't know how he would vote.
So Obama is not getting my vote. I get Hope and Inspiration from my God not my Senator or President.
We need someone who will do the job himself and not someone who will let someone else decide what to do.
And Stop and Think if people really want change you would have to vote Clinton. There is little difference between white men and black men But there is a difference in how women handle things in comparisome to men.

Another thing I have to say that Obama's supporters are some of the most meen spirited people I have ever heard. I doubt that they really are perfect.

Please if you do not want to vote for someone fine but, lets move on from the anger in this country it does no one any good just divides us.

And Ihope that its not true that Mrs. Obama said she would not support the democrats if he loses. If this was said then they aren't mature enough to be in the politcal field.

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Louise Rego Park, NY — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:04:41 GMT

To Jim from Tampa-

Couldn't have said it better.

If he wait 8 years he'll be better seasoned and not have to pretend.

GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Madam President (has a nice ring to it)

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Grace — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:05:18 GMT

Correction she didn't ask Michelle if she would support Hillary they asked her if she would work for her......The way they have treated her husband would you WORK for them to get out the vote? If she did she is a better woman than me.

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Fred App, Richmond, Va. — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:10:30 GMT

Sorry, I neither understand nor buy the argument that anyone is obligated to stand by the party, regardless of who gets nominated. It's not like we're cheering for a football team. I've got no rooting interest in the political parties. My rooting interest is to elect the best candidates for my country. If that happens to be a Republican, then shame on the Democrats for nominating the lesser candidate. I'm an American first, and a Democrat second. (Having said that, I can't imagine voting for McCain over anyone, but there are a number of Republicans I'd prefer in the White House over Hillary.)

There are countries where party loyalty is obligatory. Thank God this isn't one of them.

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justthinkinoutloud — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:18:21 GMT

I am a Obama supporter, and i don't think the POTUS should be crying, however if she gets the nomination, I will hold my nose and vote D.

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Stop The Pretender Obama — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:18:55 GMT

Change message is old. Every politician uses it in every election. Looks like it is yours first election, NSMsnbc.

All Democratic candidates used changed in all previous years. Ask Edwards in 2004. Ask Carter or Bill Clinton in 76 and 92.

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New Brunswick, NJ — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:19:47 GMT

Change is just a word without the ability to bring it about. So far Obama has been talking a whole bunch, but saying very little. I walked into the booth undecided this morning, but ultimately pulled the lever for Hillary. When the moment of truth came I went with a proven record over rhetoric. Barack sounds great, Hillary is ready.

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JohnnyU, WA State — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:22:39 GMT

I'm "pro-choice", I choose HOPE over FEAR!!!
And I'll work my a** off to make my hope a reality.
THAT'S what America is all about.
Don't fall for the FEAR card AGAIN.
Yes We Can!!!

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gene britton — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:24:39 GMT

The MSNBC reporters remind me of the Dallas Cowboy's cheer leaders. THey jump up and down and gush how much they love Obama. All you have to do is read one article they report on and compare the two, Obama and Clinton. This networks reputation, I am afraid has been damaged for ever. The hit jobs that Olbdermann and Abrams put on last night shameless. I was regular viewer of Olbermann. He has now lost me and my wife. Hillary Clinton will carry the most delegates today and with her present number and her super delegates she will be very near victory. Texas, Ohio and Pa. will pull her over the top.

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Lynette, NYC — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:25:04 GMT

Fred, you are correct, and of course there are people who change party affiliations like socks, However, in this instance, we have two very formidble candidates, I happen to choose Hillary 1st but Obama is a close second. After the debacle of this current administration, how can anyone consider another Republican in office. The party ideals are always the base of any candidate, and ideals should not be switched back and forth. They should be grounded beliefs. I almost ALWAYS vote democrat for this reason.

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HP Boston — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:26:35 GMT

I will never hold my nose and vote for Obama. Even if his MLK, JKK, RFK morphs into a real BHO. I can never vote for him. He can inspire at a pulpit of his choice, I have had enough of flimflam speeches by dreamers.

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HP Boston — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:32:30 GMT

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S A, Boston — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:33:08 GMT

Clinton's fake tears, her husband's lies and distortions, her use of pushing polls -illegal in some states- along with her smear campaign robocalls show is she's more of the same old win-at-all costs politics. If she cries now, what's she going to do when facing the president of Iran? No more Washington insiders. It's time for real change, with the only candidate to take zero lobbyist money: Obama 08

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Fred C Dobbs, Sierra Madre, N.M. — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:34:47 GMT

More media bias by MSNBC - it's a daily event at the cable network ranked number #3!

Tom Dashle lost his senate seat! Why does the media just love Democratic losers?

They love Ted Kennedy and have a very short memory - never does the drowning of Mary Jo Kopechne and Ted's run for cover get mentioned these days.

Can we not forget John Kerry - loser of the last Democratic election. Another Obama supporter!

The media just dislikes a Democratic winner. The last Democrat to win re-election since FDR: Bill Clinton!

Hillary Clinton in 2008 because we can't take a chance this time!

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raider dem, maryland — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:39:12 GMT

Hillary may be polarizing to some nationally, but Obama is polarizing the Dems to the core. In the past week both he and his wife have hinted that, should they lose the nomination, they wouldn't necessarily be trying to unite the party behind the nominee (Hillary, if that's the case). I don't appreciate the fact that it seems they think that they are owed. They won't do this again ever, this is a one shot deal, etc, etc. I agree with Lynette, that Hillary would fight for the democratic nominee tooth and nail, even if it were NOT her. Don't see Obama doing the same, and that is truly depressing.

Next Tuesday (Chesapeake Tuesday) I will be voting for Hillary. If she doesn't win, I will support the democratic nominee (Obama). If I can do it, why can't he, or any other Obama supporter for that matter? I may not agree with all of his policies and speeches, but I agree with the Party.

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Avi, NY — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:39:17 GMT

The hillary supporters are stating facts..Obama refused to take a position due to obvisouly political reaons and voted PRESENT! Wha is their to paint here?? biased reporting by MSNBC..

Why doesnt MSNBC similarly say the OBAMA camapign painted clintons as racist..when clinton was only taking of Obama's iraq voting record..

MSNBC asother networks have endorsed obama/mccain and are doing a hit job on clinton and romneys..
but they dont have the guts to accept it openly!

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We deserve better that Hillbot! — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:39:42 GMT

Hillary said Sunday that she would garnish your wages to pay for healthcare. Nuff said, the woman is out of touch and has no clue how much insurance is. Do I stop eating or heating my home when she garnishes wages? She has already proved that she can fail at healthcare, why are we letting her do it again?

If she is the Democratic nominee -
McCain will win in November!

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Al - CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:41:00 GMT

For the Repubicans amongst us - if you want a liberal (equal to Billary) that is an old ex-military man with a hot temper, zero business experience, and just more Washington, then you should vote for McCain. But if you want a conservative with excellent business experience that knows how to get things done, then you should vote for Mitt Romney.

MITT ROMNEY will make an excellent President!

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:45:54 GMT

What would super Tuesday be without at least one Clinton dirty trick? Now its Obama isn't really pro-choice? I guess they fell back on that one because it seemed to bring them luck in New Hampshire.

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campdog — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:51:27 GMT

When I read how members of the Obama camp hesitate when asked if they will support Clinton should she be the Democratic candidate I am simply reminded of their political immaturity. Great people with passion but no experience and no perspective.

Those who claim they would not vote with the party if the candidate is not of their choosing should question if they are members of a political party or a political fad. And if they come down on the fad side they might ask how long political fads last in terms of exacerbating real change...how long are they going to be willing to keep up the fight to bring about change. Political change requires courage and stamina....

By the way....Obama is hardly the first guy to use the "Change" message...and it remains to be seen if he will do it best. Thus far the only change he has enacted is one having to do with eating shrimp cocktail while standing or sitting down.

On to another point.....

Question: Why would one assume that liberal republicans would vote for the most liberal member of congress? Liberal republicans are more in line with conservative democrats...middle of the roaders that seek a political landscape more likely to be found in a Clinton administration.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:52:06 GMT

Music may say it best.
Clinton: "Good Hearted Woman" (Box Car Willie)

Obama: "The Great Pretender" (The Platters)

Jim Tampa, FL (Sent Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:39 AM)

I think you have it wrong Jim:

Clinton: The tears of a Clown (Smokey Robinson)

Obama: Ain't Nothing like the real thing

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Rajiv P, New York, NY — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:53:08 GMT

I am sick and tired of Hillary's crocodile tears one day before the election. The female voters should see thru this ritual and not fall for it. Is this how she is going to defend the country? I will be voting for Obama.

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Mat, KC, KS — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:56:12 GMT

There was an article in New York times (op-ed) about the electability of Obama, and he was right on the money. I adon't agree with Hillary on several of her votes, but she will withstand the barrage of the right-wing in this country. But Obama, they will falter in no time. He is not tested and he have no experience. He should have waited another 8-10 years, before he jump into this race. Against McCain, he have no chance. Unfortunately, the Cacusians are not going to vote for Obama. It is the same for Latinos and Asians. The only group, voting for Obama will be African Americans, and they voting day half-of them will be awol. Even though they are blaming the Clintons, for the race card, it is Obama is the one that used it. Obama is the darling of the media and the elite and the right wing. New York Post endorsed him. Fox endorsed him. These are right wing media. Why are they supporting him? They want a week candidate to fight against Republicans, who will not able able to pick-up a single state in the general election. If he is the candidate, the democrats will lose the Senate and Congress this year. It is time for democrats to start thinking. The Anti-Clinton gang cannot stand Clintons, because Bill is not their puppet. I am hard-core democrat, and I would like to see the democrats winning this election. Didn't we have enough with Bush for 8 years?

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:56:16 GMT

They love Ted Kennedy and have a very short memory - never does the drowning of Mary Jo Kopechne and Ted's run for cover get mentioned these days.

At least Bill's girlfriend is still alive....
She had to run to England, but she is still alive....

Bad enough Hillary will hurt the poor by garnishing their wages, I guess Burger King sales will suffer if she takes the money away from the poor people.

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Allen N — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:00:50 GMT

People who think Obama just says empty rhetoric clearly haven't looked at his positions. Several articles I have read have accurately called this the most policy-heavy primary nomination in recent history. Obama is famous for his rhetoric, but that's not what makes him a good candidate. That's just what the media likes to talk about a lot "great speeches, but lightweight when it comes to policy..." If you think this, YOU are buying into the media-fed image as much as anyone else! If you look at his website, if you watched any of the many debates he's participated in (particularly the most recent one in LA) you can see he has a great grasp of policy, both what needs to be done and how to do it. Clinton might have good ideas but she won't be able to get them through Congress because of her us-and-them mentality. Someone who was so shamelessly negative against a member of HER OWN PARTY cannot possibly be expected to work well across the isle on contentious issues. Hillary makes promises she can't keep - including the promise that she can win the nomination in 2008. The number of Republicans rooting for Hillary to win is staggering. As one pundit put it, "no one can unite the Republican party like Hillary Clinton." Regardless of the animosity towards John McCain right now, you can bet the farm the Republicans will close ranks if they're facing off against Billary.

As for Michelle Obama's comments - first, as others have pointed out, she was responding to the question of whether she would work for the campaign, not whether she would vote for Clinton in 2008. Second, if you actually READ the comments (once again, stop just taking what the media feeds you) you can see that she said she'd have to "consider carefully." Is there now some rule in American politics that you can no longer consider a candidate carefully, that you have to just blindly follow them because they are in the same group? That's the kind of thinking that propelled Bush to a second term in 2004, and I for one am proud of Michelle (regardless of whether I differ from her on other things) for having the courage to not respond with an automaton "yes."

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Rubert Kearns — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:01:51 GMT

Music may say it best.
Clinton: "Good Hearted Woman" (Box Car Willie)

But, Hillary has no heart.

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campdog — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:08:52 GMT

Hillbot....

What is your point? Are you suggesting that universal health care should be available but paying the bill is an option? If a program is put forth that provides care to those that are unable to pay at no charge and only charges those that are working and able to pay what is the problem? How do you expect individuals to sign on to a program that allows working individuals with the ability to pay for health care to opt out and pass their medical costs on to those of us that follow the rules and participate?

This isn't about denying health care to those that can't afford their premiums....this is about providing health care to all individuals and using whatever legal means available to obtain payment for received services. Can't pay is one thing, won't pay is another.

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Ken Lockaton, Cranberry Township, PA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:17:10 GMT

I was a John Edwards supporter. I also supported Bill Clinton in the 90s even though I didn't agree with his moral judgement. Since Edwards has left the race I have studied both Hillary and Obama, with this conclusion. Hillary has to much baggage, There are things out there that will come out in a general election such as the documents while she was First lady. Also I don't understand where her experience comes from to be President on day one. Is she referring to being the First Lady? Or is she referring to Bill's experience which I believe will have an undue influence in a Hillary White House. Other than that She really has the same type of experience that Obama has working for the underprivledged and serving in the senate. I believe that the Clintons want the White house as a defacto way of being there for sixteen years and will do anything to win.

As for Obama true he is a new face on stage but he can lead. Absent of leadership which this country has been for a long time (including Bill Clinton, due to his affairs). I'm leaning towards Obama. I'm a lifetime Democrat who this uear has registered as a independent because I'm tired of the Blue-Red State conflict which the Bush's and the Clinton's have developed and nourished. Let's be a country again.

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satan — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:24:31 GMT

hillary's poo is diamond-studded gold

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Ian Sturmbrenner, Anchorage, AK — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:31:13 GMT

"Even though they are blaming the Clintons, for the race card, it is Obama is the one that used it."

Come again? You'd have to be living under a rock to legitimately believe that. Hillary's MLK comment and Bill's Jesse Jackson commented bookended the South Carolina primary - and Obama didn't respond to either of them. How was Obama playing the racial victim? Any politician of any sense (including both front-runners) knows that white guilt will never win you a nomination, let alone an election. Just ask Jackson himself, or Al Sharpton, or Carol Moseley Braun.

As to the electibility argument, keep in mind how many Republicans vehemently detest Hillary. She gets cheers when she's in front of an all-democrat crowd, but the enthusiasm will dry up quickly once she realizes that the mantra of half the country is "anyone but Hillary."

Tested? Yeah, she's been tested politically. And what kind of major bills has she passed? What kind of major battles has she fought? People talk about how Obama's senate seat was practically handed to him. In Hillary's case it was virtually the same thing: vacant seat opens, prominent Republican opponent drops out amid scandal (for Obama, Jack Ryan, for Clinton, Rudy Giuliani), replaced by a political lightweight (for Obama, Alan Keyes, for Clinton, Rick Lazio). Clinton has as much of a streak of losing to Republicans (infamous Hillarycare affair) as she does winning. Her caustic method of demonizing anyone across the isle has won few if any Republicans or independents to her cause, and she has the distinction of signing both the legislation to use military force in Iraq AND the original PATRIOT act, so why should she somehow be seen as the one to stand up to Republican interests.

Clinton is a good Democratic Senator, someone who doesn't mind making enemies as long as they're the enemies her constituents want her to have. Obama doesn't want to make enemies. He wants to move beyond petty partisanship. You can see it in his positions, you can see it in how he campaigns, you can see it in his refusal to accept money from lobbyists. If you are voting for Hillary, you are voting for a Republican president at worst, and at best a Democratic president who will be just as divisive and partisan as Bush is, except on the opposite side of the isle.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:31:38 GMT

Oh and Brooks we know of Obama's dark side and his past with DRUGS. I can not trust a druggie or a drunk, can you? Hillary is so far above reproach she makes you show your dark side every time you open your mouth.

HP Boston (Sent Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:32 AM)

After reading this post and laughing for 20 minutes, i just have to say this.....

Norman Hsu
Marcellio Celis
Johnny Chung
Chinese dishwashers
Threatening Jim Cooper
Craig Livingston
Furniture in the White House
Rose law firm paperwork
cattle futures
whitewater
White House Travel office

And as the campaign continues, I am sure more and more stories about the Clinton's will come out....

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Sal Bass, NY, NY — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:39:58 GMT

It makes absolutely no sense to force people to buy something they can't afford, and then FINE THEM if they don't buy it. If they couldn't afford health care in the first place, why should they have to pay MORE? All Hillary's plan will accomplish is making poor people and small businesses (who can't afford insurance) poorer, while not affecting rich people and big companies (who already have/provide health insurance) at all - beyond the possible insurance cost boom that would result due to massive increase in demand. Oh, and did I mention that the insurance company lobby is one of Clinton's biggest contributors?

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:21:25 GMT

I find it interesting that people who cannot afford health care insurance...

people that can't afford a roof over their heads....

people that can't afford car insurance........

people that can't afford to pay their electric bills...

and Now the Clinton's are proposing garnishing wages..

Which begs the question....

Health insurance or heat in the house?

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Suzanne,Downingtown, Pa. — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:00:42 GMT

Oh my God! Have you all gone crazy? Obama will sell this country out! All the millionares in Hollywood and the millionare Kennedys don't care about poor people or the middle class. Is this some kind of cult following? VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON

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SM North Dakota — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:12:04 GMT

Kent Conrad (Senate) and Earl Pomeroy (House) from ND are both 'whining' for Obama. They have lost my vote in any future election for helping divide the Democratic party. We Democrats are perfectly capable of making up our own minds by listening to the candidates.

GO HILLARY !!

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Gene, Sun City Center, Fl — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:14:51 GMT

What most people don't understand about health care is that those that don't have it get it free at the hospital. Those that have insurance pay for those that go to the hospital ERs. By everyone having health insurance should reduce the costs to those who have insurance.

If you have ever gone to an ER, most are uninsured. Your wait time is about 6 hours, with or without insurance.

If you have insurance (very good) you go to a walk in clinic, wait time about 2 hours.

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Joe, Minneapolis — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:15:30 GMT

What change will there be with any of these candidates? NONE! Why? Because they will not have the full backing of congress anyway. If you want REAL change look at the Independence Party of America or your local Independence Party in your state. They are for REAL change. They are for the people and not for big business. Change can only happen when you vote for people that WILL bring real change and sanity to our government. Let's bring government back to the people and away from big business that has ruined this country and our good name!!
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Liz Beth, Santa Monica, California — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:45:03 GMT

Yes. Unfortunately genuine change is best achieved when citizens are allowed to have more than two parties. Also, the entire electoral system should be revamped in order to represent and reflect the needs and demographics of this nation. Perhaps then most would be more responsible (as well as more informed) concerning their vote since they would have to familiarize themselves with the "new" election process.