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j fl — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:51:22 GMT

OK boys,next article must be about the Obama spin machine. Oh, thats right, he doesnt have THAT, he is
GOD!! Or maybe hes just a male.

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JeanneGA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:53:17 GMT

Oh that evil, nasty Hillary woman and her spin machine. None of the other politicians have spin machines. Only those Clinton people. Get over yourselves boys.Give me a break!

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kmnecole, st louis, mo — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:53:38 GMT

OMG- give me a break- Clinton will try any and everything- to win

Seriously? Is this seriously want we want in the White House? The most powerful position in the world? Occupied by this lady?

No.

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EB, San Antonio Texas — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:54:04 GMT

I read......we need to tie Obama down conducting debates (which Clinton feels and has somewhat proven she is better at) instead of freeing him up to campaign in the remaining states....advantage Clinton political machine. What a great trap.......

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Tyson, Montague, NJ — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:55:59 GMT

Heh, both campaigns tried to 'spin a loss into a win' ... I guess its a good strategy

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Billy, Normal, IL — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:57:20 GMT

Wow, the exit polls must be pretty bad. Not surprising that a candidate with no momentum and little money would request free media with a weekly debate. We see this in every election when there's a desperate candidate who is behind.

Handwriting on the wall? Sounds like it. Put a fork in Hillary, she's done.

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TheDonald — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:00:19 GMT

Bottom line, News is not good for the Clintons right now and going forward. They had anticipated to get this thing locked up tonight but it looks like that will not be the case.

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TJ, Wash D.C. — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:00:56 GMT

It is amazing how people like to say the media has more negative stories about the Clinton campaign than on Obama's. Maybe that's because of the Clinton campaign's tactics. For them to say the others took their names off of the Michigan ballot because they felt they would fair well, is an out right deception. More so than any other camp, including Romney's camp, this has to be the most dishonest, games playing, rovian bunch of low-lifes we've seen during this campaign. No wonder the people who know them best, choose Obama.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:03:31 GMT

Ugh - such a fatiguing campaign. Clinton as the underdog in Massachusetts and California? I've heard less credible comments from this campaign, but really - stop insulting us. And more debates? Haven't we already had something like 400 of 'em?

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Mark, Columbus, OH — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:03:34 GMT

Obama should be win Massachusetts going away. He has the support of the Governor and both Democratic Senators.

Clinton may have had a lead in earlier polling, but the media never seems to mention the undecided in these polls. Undecideds have been as much as a third of the Democratic voters in many states, so earlier polls shouldn't bear much weight.

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JohnnyU, WA State — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:04:44 GMT

Great,Obama/Clinton weekly debate...Iraq's not going away. Hillary has accepted more donations from Military/Industrial Complex lobbyists than ANY other candidate. Her spin on Iraq, her Iraq vote & her Iran vote is flimsy.

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Nashville_fan — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:06:07 GMT

Debate once a week? lol

Who wants to hear "I'll form a bi-partisan committee", "35 years experience", and "ready from day one" once a week from Senator Clinton?

I'll pass on that. I think we've heard enough.

Obama '08

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Chris Penn — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:08:02 GMT

so Clintons are the only spinners? you guys are a huge joke! your bias is sooo obvious. are you supposed to be that way? crappy journalism is in the air............

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Richard McCabe, East Brunswick, NJ — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:08:07 GMT

From the article

Wolfson also made the campaign's latest argument that Michigan and Florida delegates should be seated, and when asked about the other Democratic candidates didn't even have their names on the ballot in Michigan, he said: "I think they removed their names from the ballot because they didn't think they would fare well."

Do they really think anyone is going to buy this lemon of a statement? It makes me think that he's surrounded by 10 people who can barely suppress their laughter when he utters this nonsense.

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R Thies — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:08:20 GMT

After tonight the Clintons will not be able to dictate when, where, or how many debates will take place.

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D Andrews, Charlotte, NC — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:08:23 GMT

MI fact: Kucinich and Gravel both kept their names on the MI ballot, and like Clinton did not pander to Iowa voters by making a big show of pulling off Michigan.

Notice how neither Edwards or Obama were brave enough however to do the same in FL. In the back of their minds they new FL might become important to them down the road, like it becomes for Clinton.

Look at the facts, skip the spin people.

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daryl folk — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:08:59 GMT

we need michigan and florida in the fall if we democrats are going to win the white house back. so we have punished those states enough we need to seat their delegates.

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lorisbay — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:11:27 GMT

Give me a break. Enough already. The Clinton camp is as dishonest as it gets. Are they running scared? Tell them to get a grip. We know BS and spin when we hear it.

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lorisbay — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:13:52 GMT

Give me a break. Enough already. The Clinton camp is as dishonest as it gets. Are they running scared? Tell them to get a grip. We know BS and spin when we hear it.

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Jade7243 — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:14:13 GMT

The Obama campaign should say no to the debates and hit the campaign trail hard.

It is amazing the lies that pour out of the Clinton camp. "They didn't think they would fare well?" Did anyone call them on that BS?

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Chris, MI — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:14:37 GMT

The suggestion that candidates took their names off the Michigan ballot because they didn't think they'd fare well is deplorable. I cast a vote in that primary and I'm disgusted at the way the Clintons continue to try and spin Michigan into anything other than a moral victory at best.

If delegates from Michigan count anywhere before a final candidate is chosen, it will be inexcusable. Our state government knew what it was doing (screwing up) when it moved up our primary. We took our punishment like adults. It's Clinton that's behaving like a child if she pretends that contest was anything close to fair.

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Jan, Nashua, NH — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:15:05 GMT

Wow, voters who don't like debates and instead prefer big speeches.

I wonder why any voter would NOT like to hear the candidates actually debate the issues?
hmmmmm.... interesting....

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Maddog, Charlotte NC — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:15:17 GMT

Hmmm...I smell something fishy from the Billary camp. Why suggest a weekly debate if you are the front runner? This is the oldest trick in the book and when Obama reject their silly request, Billary will go on TV and say Obama does not want too debate the issues but we know better.

Give Obama and the American people more credit than to fall for the old bully let's debate every week argument.

Could this be the beginning of the Obama Tsumani...could this be the year of the underdog....Oh Yes!

Go Obama Go

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AS, Oakland CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:15:31 GMT

The bit about seating Florida and Michigan delegates is ridiculous beyond words. They would really try to do that rather than respect the wishes of the voters and the DNC? They would tear down the party rather than concede defeat? This bunch really needs to go, and fast.

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Chris, Lansing, Michigan — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:15:59 GMT

I live in Michigan and will be very upset if they seat the delegates to Clinton. Let them have another vote, maybe then the other candidates names can be on the ballot !!! How can she think that was a win, there wasn't anyone else to vote for??? I stayed home.

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Dorothy O — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:16:12 GMT

NO spin. Just the media having their way. As usual.

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Ladybird — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:16:56 GMT

hang on to your hats obama supporters...Its reported that clinton has 2/3 of the absentee ballots thats been counted in california.

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The Media Conspiracy, Planet Earth, The Universe — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:17:10 GMT

Uh oh, the Hillaryites are on to me and my master plan to keep her out of the White House.

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New Independent — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:19:33 GMT

They had better not use the delegates from Florida and Michigan. It would be grossly unfair, especially since Clinton was the only name on the ballot! Is he kidding? I guess that's how much he cares about Michigan's right to vote. As far as them removing their names because they didn't think they'd do well, give me a break! Hillary Clinton better get out right away and say Wolfson is totally wrong on this. The more I hear the more upset I get. Play fair! Better yet, don't play - voting is extremely important and American soldiers have died for this RIGHT!

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greg limes, san diego, ca — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:19:55 GMT

do not be fooled by a rookie salesman...that's all he can do talk...no action so whatso ever..remember his "present" vote for than hundred times..we can afford a nominee like this rookie salesman...

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Darren, MBSC — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:20:27 GMT

I don't like Hillarity either, and would never cast a vote for her, but you call this "unbiased" journalism. You guys take the cake. Why not just stop posting or publishing anything that doesn't praise Obama? it would save us all a lot of time.

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Eric — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:21:15 GMT

i'm actually offended to hear Clinton's camp spin their campaign. Obama's camp has always conceded that Clinton is the front runner and Obama is playing catch up. To hear Clinton's spin, Obama has always been the front runner and she is the "NY Giants" of the NFL. OH MY..bleh..disgusts me. Enough of spins..i'm ready for the results to come in ... tomorrow or later

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wendy in washington — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:21:20 GMT

wake me up when and if Nader decides to officially run so I can vote with my head held up high

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Lotus Robinson, Rye NY — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:21:24 GMT

[[Oh that evil, nasty Hillary woman and her spin machine. None of the other politicians have spin machines.]]

The Clintons have the Mother of All Spin Machines. There is more bs coming out of that camp then there is on Old McDonalds Farm.

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common sense — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:22:08 GMT

"I think they removed their names from the ballot because they didn't think they would fare well."

Shameless. Just Shamless. The Clinton Camp's ability and willingness to distort obvious facts is very scary. Very Rove-like

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L. Jackson Topeka, KS — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:22:13 GMT

So what he's really saying is, their nervous right now b/c Hillary should of and was supposed to have this thing sewed up and ready to go right now!!!

It would be a disappointment for Hillary's camp and for her supports if she doesnt win b/c she has been the frontrunner for months. For the underdog to come from behind a take the nom from her - that's what would be a "disappointment"!!!

I'm tired of hearing her camp "spin" everything. Just let some things be and speak for themselves.

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Ex Obama Supporter — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:22:22 GMT

Obama insults Gavin Newsom for fear of being seen as pro-gay rights. What a despicable act?

He insults San Francisco mayor for the freedom we stand for and expects our vote? All Bay Area democrats should vote against someone who doesnt have the guts to stand up for the freedom we pride ourselves with.

Not only gays and lesbians but also respectful freedom loving Democrats should snub arrogant Obama.

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Democrat 101 — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:22:46 GMT

Wow. Isn't this election about letting voters have their sole say, without any hint of intimidation or interference with the will of every voter?
Plenty of candidates in the pasthave tried to intimidate America in the name of democracy. That has to ed. Give the voters their right in making up their decision without ever being influenced in any way.

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watchwhatyousay, California — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:25:01 GMT

To:JeanneGA (Sent Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:53 PM)

Keep in mind Jeanne, that you need us, “nasty Hillary woman and her spin machine”, in November to beat whoever the Republicans field. Watch what you say because the knife cuts both ways.

Obama can not win with out the Clinton people and Clinton can not win without the Obama people in November. Watch what you say!

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Eye Opener, Las Vegas — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:25:37 GMT

While it is great that the choice democratic voters have is between two very viable candidates, it is quite alarming that people are voting with their heart and not their heads. Call it what you will but this is scary.
At this very critical time in our country's history where we are faced with major crises from the war in Iraq to the economy, from healthcare to the mortgage meltdown and a looming recession, the american voter really needs to think hard and make that difficult choice.
While I have heard Senator Obama and his platform, I have not heard anything specific to address the issues at hand. Yes, he can bring people together but sometimes, a true leader can only bring about real change with unquestionable experience, the ability to make tough decisions, withstand criticism and still keep focused on the issues for our greater good.
Senator Clinton is that person. Her detractors call her so many things but they lose sight or are refusing to recognize the fact that she has done more than Senator Obama in areas of healthcare, education, defense and economics.
Personalities aside, she is the most capable candidate to lead us out of this mess we are in right now.

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wyo1red — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:25:43 GMT

Oh PLEASE if you follow Obama you might as well slaughter your self now and save the republicans time later.

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Norman (a black guy), Washington, DC — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:26:18 GMT

I think that right now the Obama spin machine is in full effect and the media is his tool. Why is MSNBC running Obama ads? Why does Obama get all the favorable press on MSNBC. What Lapdogs? From Morning Joe, to Tucker Carleson to Chris Mathews. MSNBC makes sure that Kool-Aid drinking voters hear at least 7 to 10 straight hours on negativity against Clinton. They wont even get unbias pundits on the shows instead we get Star struck, Andrea Mitchell, Chuck Todd, and Ed Shultz who all hate clinton and it shows. Its sad that the media picks our president. Sounds like 2000 all over again!!!

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Mai Tai Mike, Omaha, NE — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:26:47 GMT

Obama lacks experience when it comes to finances and health care. Clinton has both. When it comes to Iraq neither one can get us out quick enough, but we have Bush 2 to blame for that one. Women should vote Clinton, they may never get another chance to put a woman in the White House. Certainly Caroline Kennedy isn't ready, besides she's talks out of both side also, she's for public schools and sends her kids to private school. Ted Kennedy, remember Mary Jo, remember the Smith Rape trial. Great endorsements only come from real people. The middle class and poor.

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j fl — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:27:28 GMT

I heard they will split the Michigan delegates because she was the only one on the ballot and that she will get the Florida delegates-she won fair and square. The DNC does not want to have to deal with it during convention as it could look ugly.

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Adam/Brooklyn New York City — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:27:38 GMT

ATTENTION OBAMA SUPPORTERS---

This is a smoke screen intended to lull you to sleep and lower your turnout. She did the same thing in New Hampshire.
YOU NEED TO VOTE, THEN YOU NEED TO HELP GET THE VOTE OUT!!!!

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S Taylor — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:28:02 GMT

Are you people crazy? I don't want to risk our country to Obama. People have unfairingly catagorized the candidates into boxes. Obama being the second coming. How can intelligent people be caught up in hype? I trust our country to Hillary.

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God knows Andrea Mitchell is shameless — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:28:40 GMT

Does anyone anymore believe Andrea Mitchell is a journalist?

She wakes up every morning to twist words out of Hillary. MSNBC assigned her specifically to Clinton campaign because Andrea can lie with a straight face and being a woman, no one can say male bias. I have seen so many Andrea interview which smacks of yellow journalism. She is one of the worst as a wolf in a sheep's clothing making money thru deceptive journalistic abilities.

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Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:29:05 GMT

I love all of MSNBC's "up until now" - well it isn't like it happened overnight, it was over period of weeks - which was after many good weeks for the Obama campaign. Don't get me wrong, he has been doing well, but MSNBC is acting like their spin is so dramatic.

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CarmenJ, Denver, CO — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:29:11 GMT

It is about time that we realize what a deceiving, and unscrupulous woman Hillary Clinton is, she is blind with ambition and will say and do anything to become our president. Haven't we had enough scandal and immorality with Bill during his presidency. Please no more Clintons in the White House. Let's start fresh and hope for a better America with Barak Obama. God help us all if Hillary is elected.

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Jim, Eugene , Oregon — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:29:24 GMT

Sure Clinton would love to have a bunch of debates because she is about out of money , and is after the free air time.

Obama should give her one debate and get back on the road to the White House.

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Billy Glad — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:29:55 GMT

I don't think they're spinning. She just accepted a debate on FOX. Obviously, she thinks she needs to spend more time with him one on one to put it away. That means Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania. She says she wants him every week going forward. Is she just selling wolf tickets, or does she think she whipped him in the last debate?

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Eric, NY, NY — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:30:49 GMT

While the Clinton camp is spinning this article and the coverage off it is dripping with the anti-HRC bias we have seen in the media. The media is looking for anything that happens tonight to state that Dems don't want HRC as the nominee. I am not saying she will win but if she wins CA and loses MO the story will be well why did she lose MO; if she wins CA and MO and loses MA the story will be why did she lose MA...

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Mike, Chicago, Illinois — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:31:33 GMT

You can't hold her responsible for the recent comments. She's been lying (excuse me... spinning) for 35 years now. Undoubtedly her staff gets the good things that she has accomplished with the bad things Bubbah has done over the years.

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Nashville_fan — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:31:47 GMT

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Joe VA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:31:59 GMT

Sounds like somebody who's read the exit polls and knows that Clinton is winning CA and MA -- but not by much. Why else would they describe Obama losses there as "disappointments?"

As for MI and FL, I'm surprised you media guys aren't howling about this breathtakingly unfair delegate grab by the Clinton people. (You should be; makes me wonder for a miniute if all these crazies are right who say you're in the tank for Hillary! Just kidding.) The other candidates keep their word and take their names off the ballot and/or don't campaign, and she now says they should count? Are you kidding me?

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nick, ny ny — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:32:17 GMT

Seriously, what the fck? This isnt supposed to be the NY Post or FoxNews. I voted for Obama but MSNBC's coverage of the Democratic campaigns has been disgracefully unbalanced. At least put a disclaimer on the "articles" letting readers know that this is purely editorializing and not reporting. I mean, did you really just write an article about the Clinton spin machine and basically thumb your nose at it because it tried to put a spin on the situation? Good lord.

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Nancy, formerly Connecticut — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:32:35 GMT

I think the debate schedule as it stands is enough. In addition, Michigan and Florida knew the score when they decided to move up the date...think this is all a 'political move' on part of Clinton when she knows the others did what they agreed to...shame on her!
I think that those delegates should now be forced to wait until there is a bona fide nominee...that way, it cannot look like someone trying to fix the election in Clinton's favor!

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gabe-Las Vegas — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:33:13 GMT

D ANDREWS, read your own advice moron...Florida election laws dont allow for removal of names for ballots...

Clinton Trolls posting again

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Stephanie, Gardner Kansas — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:33:58 GMT

It is about time that a woman run this country and that we get another Clinton back in the White House to clean up Jr's mess just like his dad made!

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Speak Truthfully — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:35:14 GMT

We all know that Hillary has done a poor job of not being divisive within the party until lately. At the same time we all know that she is a brilliant woman and politician. We all know that Barack is charasmatic, brilliant, and inspiring. At the same time we know that we need details in order to place faith in his ability to deliver on this message of hope. The most unfortunate thing about this race,is that we have two very solid candidates running at the same time. It is the first time that has happened in AGES. On top of it we have historical implications here. It will be most unfortunate if this campaign is in any way decided by feminism, chauvanism, or racism. While we're at it don't call too many names, or be so divisive democrats...regardless of who wins, there is still a Republican by the name of McCain who appeals to independents likely with the nomination. Dems will need all hands on deck to insure a win. Let's talk about what the candidates do, and not their spin machines.

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American Voter — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:38:17 GMT

The Clinton's were scum bags then & they're scum bags still.

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PY, CT — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:38:21 GMT

Here we go again !! MSNBC and obvious OBAMA bias..

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Mike K, Denver — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:38:36 GMT

Man, Hillary must not like Obama and his surrogates going around the country giving stump speeches and holding rallies that have come close to reaching 20,000 in number from coast to coast to have one of her mouth pieces go in front of the national media and say they need to debate more. They see that as a challenge and see the nomination slipping from their grasp. It won't be won tonight, but it will come close. I think some of these races will have interesting results tonight.

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Pete, Albany, NY — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:39:26 GMT

The inevitability of "Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democratic Nominee for President" is gone. Sorry that they have to actually try and win this campaign instead of having it handed to them.

A debate every week? Wow, that'll get old fast!

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jaycee, Ventura, California — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:41:07 GMT

Hillary’s line about taking a Clinton to clean up after a Bush is a catchy piece of sloganeering. I doubt the young viewer who asked the debate question found it very satisfactory, though. The questioner pointed out that there had yet to be a presidential election in her adult life without a Bush or a Clinton as one of the two major choices. We like to think of ourselves as a model of democracy to hold up to the rest of the world. Why are we acting like we have two royal families, and what does that say those who look to us to see how a democracy should function?

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John Farrell, Hamilton, MA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:41:49 GMT

This out of control spin by the Clintons on the afternoon of Super Tuesday tells me their exit polling has them falling short on their expectations.

Watch what comes out in about 1.5 hours (currently 4:45 PM EST) and if it is more debates and/or clutching at low expectations you should know it is or will be curtains for the Clintons.

John Farrell

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Bull the Dog — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:41:51 GMT

"Slaughter yourself and save the Republicans..." What a desperate human soul!
And did someone say that we are voting with our hearts by voting for Obama? Sure, only if our heads are full of lies and deceptions from Hillary.
Obama does not have the leadership solely because you guys did not hear him say the solutions you want to ehar only proves that we are voting with our hearts -- basically on what candidates say rather than giving them he chance to build a strong, united government to fullfill his obligations to the voters. Hillary, on the other hand, will say what she thinks are teh best issues so "voters by the heart" will feel better, despite all of her lies and deceptions.
If she really had the solutions that impress voters, then there is no need for ehr to lie or deceive us. She has to be upfront and just state her solutions nd explain her past failrues/mistakes, then hope that voters udnerstood and will vote for her.

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Christopher London, NYC — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:41:51 GMT

These are the stories to read. Forget the external mainstream media polls. Watch instead the maneuverings of Senior Campaign Operatives. Ask yourself why is the Hillary Clinton Campaign (a) downplaying Super Tuesday results (b) locking in for a protracted battle and (c) calling for more debates. What is happening is that OBAMA'S Campaign is spreading like wild fire, changing hearts and minds across the country. The Clinton Machine realizes that their dynasty is on the line. The Clinton Machine is also attempting to sell the notion of OBAMA for V.P. to stem the tide against Hillary hoping that some Dems will buy it. The challenge for Hillary will be, if she is defeated, will she support the OBAMA Ticket in the fall against the Republicans or will the Clinton Machine prepare for a second assault in 2012?

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Kevin B, PA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:42:58 GMT

Here's the thing...Before we had the internet and a 24 hr news cycle, you could get away with spin as the clintons did in the early 90's. They used it to great effect. But today we are much more informed and political pundits have been quick to point out spin tactics when they see them. The fact that we all know what spin is shows how far we come in understanding how our political process works....or should I say doesn't work.

Turn the page...get fired up this time and not spun again!

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Adam — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:43:00 GMT

I suspect Hillary is doing well in CA. My reason is my polling place was deserted this morning (Far more than normal) leading me to believe more people than normal filed absentee ballots which I expect to lean heavily in her favor as they were likely cast well before the public's mood started shifting.

On the other hand I don't see her volunteers around but the Obama camp was out in good force making an impression.

Of course we won't be seeing CA results until tomorrow morning but I can't wait to read the absentee vs polling data along with the demographic data.

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Peb — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:43:59 GMT

My goodness, with all these impending primaries, Clinton must rushing to the nearest available camera so they can catch her tear ducts opening.

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LEH, California — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:44:02 GMT

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Ladybird — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:44:52 GMT

Are you people CRAZY!!!!!!...Look what Bush did and youre willing to hand our country over to someone without experence because he's black and youre scared to say anything against him?...If you elect him then u may as well kiss everything you got and your butt goodbye...spin this

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Diana, CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:46:03 GMT

Women should vote Clinton simply because "they may never have another chance"??? So, by that logic, blacks should vote Obama because they may never have another chance? Absolutely ridiculous. You should be choosing your candidate based on the issues, not their gender. Clinton's campaign is most definitely "Rove-like" with all their spinning of the facts and it really frightens me. It's going to be "look the other way, Americans" just like Bush & Co. was. The fact that she still has never admitted that voting for the war in '02 was a mistake, should be a warning to all. This lady makes mistakes and when the truth is presented, still will not admit them. By the way, "35 years of experience"? She wishes.

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LARRY ROMERO,ST.MARTINVILLE ,LA. — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:47:04 GMT

THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HILLARY IS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BETTER WAKE UP.BECAUSE IF GOD HAVE MERCY ON US, SHE SHOULD HAPPEN TO WIN.
AS THEY SAY "HONEY YOU HAVEN'T SEEN NOTHING YET!

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hopeful, miami — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:47:11 GMT

it's amazing what the billarys would do to win, I just hope that before ignorant people put them into the whit house once again, that they can explain to the nation, what was Bill doing the first time the world trade center was hit.....if he wasn't to busy doing his favorite pass time, maybe bush wouldn't have inharited 911. Enough of the bushes and clintons already....as for billary, they are such a lying and selfish pair...they deserve each other.......I wonder what crap woul bill do in the white house this time......and it should be unconstitutional for him to go back there........
obama u have my vote........and even if they steal this election away, I'ld always hold you in highest honor...Stay, as honest, and sweet as you are and for God sakes stay away, from those high rolling crooks in washington. especially the ones that will stop at nothing to get what they want!

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zula manhattan — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:47:52 GMT

if I hear one more damn person say they are going to vote for Hillary "because I am a woman and she is a woman" = aaauuuggHHhhhh

OR:

one more ignorant Obama supporter say "he was against the war from the beginning" (you may wanna check his votes there buddy)

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Ernie, Bayside, NY — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:47:54 GMT

This was a conference call with Wolfson, so I don't know if there was a video feed, but if there was, the NBC crew would have noticed that Wolfson's pants were on fire.

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Nick, Minnesota — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:47:59 GMT

I know a lot of people that would vote for Hillary and not Obama.

If the Obama people keep showing the disrespect they have been towards the Clinton people and he wins... the Clinton people will go to Obama!

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CitizenKane Dallas, Texas — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:49:27 GMT

What experience does she have exactly? Spin? Distortion? Taking money from lobbyists?

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mary — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:50:07 GMT

I have turned off the t.v. so many times this week when your so called journalists give yet more free air time to Obama,what gives? scared a hardworking, intelligent woman could be better than a man? come on be fair, we are in the 21st. century.

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Blake, Denver, CO — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:50:19 GMT

Thats not really fair. Now Barack has 2 bad options: 1. Don't debate; let camp Hillary spin the media towards "Obama's not ready" rhetoric.
2. Do debate; let Hillary herself falsely throw accusations around and force Barack in defense mode therefore making herself look strong.

On the most important election day in my lifetime, leave it to team Hillary to distract us from today.

Here's what I read... "Penn and Wolfson are desperate."

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Tony O. (young black male), Monterey, CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:35:04 GMT

I'm not sure why everyone keeps saying Hillary is broke. Senator Clinton has about $18 Million in cash on hand -- about half as much as Barack, true, but significantly less debt that Barack. [http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp] Last time I checked, that's still a chunk of change.

Hillary wants to debate Obama because the spin machine of the press has YET to dig into Obama or press him on his substance. They take all of his grandstanding talk of hope and change at face value and when Senator Clinton calls him on it, you all runs crying saying that she's devisive and dishonest. Give me a break! Visit www.vote-smart.org and check out the voting records for yourselves. Or, would you rather the TV just TELL you what to think?

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Scott, Annapolis, Maryland — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:35:08 GMT

As a moderate republican (I hear you snickering out there!)... it's kinda funny to watch the other side of the aisle bicker about their candidates. So much passion! It's nice to know that we Republicans haven't cornered the market on dysfunction. What I find myself wondering is: 'With a US population of about 300 million, is this the best we have to offer in terms of candidates???'. Good luck to the Dems. Hope you guys work it out. There is much at stake at home and abroad. Figure it out and send the best candidate for ALL of us (I realize that there's a good chance you'll end up in the driver's seat come next January). We Republicans aren't the Evil Empire. We just subscribe to a different view. And yes, we've got some nut cases that make us all look like total idiots... but you've got 'em as well. One this is certain... we better learn how to work things out together or the USA is destined to fracture and fold. Good luck!

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CWBY, Charlotte, NC — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:36:33 GMT

Has anyone else wondered why the voters would trust her or her campaign to tell the truth when for the 3rd time now in this campaign they've gone back on their agreements and commitments regarding the RULES of the nomination -- Nevada, Michigan and Florida.

It's a question of honesty and trust and I'm appalled that no one in the media has had the guts to do more than make slight mention of it.

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AJ, Vancouver, WA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:36:44 GMT

If Nader enters the race, I'll vote for him with pride because I'll know he isn't owned by the pro-Israel lobby and its mouth piece, the MSM.

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ObamaMama, Longview, WA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:37:17 GMT

Barack threw down the gauntlet at the 2004 Convention and followed it up with a pre-emptive first-strike announcement of his candidacy. Hillary's fatal flaw is Bill, and I'm sad to say that many of us are tired of Bill and the consistent chaos that "coincidentally" seems to follow him. Bill the First Guy will be very different from Bill the Statesman. I'll tolerate the Statesman but I'm weary of the guy and ready to say "Bye-bye Bill".

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The Sphinx, Montreal QC — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:40:40 GMT

Voters need information about NAFTA, SPP, Mexico-Manitoba Super Highway, Federal Reserve Reform, Kyoto, Net Neutrality, Copyright Reform, Constitutional Enforcement & Oversight and many other issues which they haven't even been glossed over by either cadidate.

Yeah, HealthCare is the big vote snatcher, but both candidates need to add more substance, spice and balance to their platforms. Meat and potatoes is great, but eating the same dish every day is a drag.

And another thing: the questions in these debates suck - let's try and put the candidates on the spot and see what they're made of. I think the American people would appreciate an open discussion for once, as opposed to the pre-scripted ones.

There's no spin here, Camp Clinton is just downplaying ST, in case of a poor showing.

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Dorothy O Chi town — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:42:06 GMT

Thank-you Norman - Washington DC!!!!! I was wondering if I was the only person alive on planet earth.

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John M, Danville, CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:42:25 GMT

"hardworking, intelligent woman"?

You forgot heartless,cold, calculating, vengeful, wicked and just downright evil. Those alligator tears don't fool me. Hillary being a woman has nothing to do with my distrust / dislike of her. As far as I am concerned, she is an asexual demon sent from Hell to destroy us. I am sure that Bill feels the same way.

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Kim Keeling, Birmingham, AL — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:42:51 GMT

I am disappointed by the unfair treatment of Senator Clinton by the press. The press does not give her campaign the same benefit of the doubt that they give Obama's. The media has been very one-sided in its criticism. Do your job as journalists. Keep it fair and unbiased.

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Gloria Fuqua, Castro Valley Ca — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:44:42 GMT

Well this country is going to feel really stupid if obama wins, and the white house is guarded by the nation of islam, every black person I know, I ask why are you voting for obama, they don't have an answer, so my conclusion is that they are just voting for him because he is black. Well I'am black and I'am not voting for him. I can truly say that most black people have no loyalty.

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Rich, DC — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:46:01 GMT

I love MSNBC and I agree that they are negative-Hillary and that should stop!!! Also, the minute one says I hate this and I hate that... that person says it enough.. (hater for oneself).. We should really focus on the reality. I think both Hillary and Obama will do well as a president than Bush 1 or 2. Most political system is about the same in the end. But, Clitons will do about the same or better that we know of. We should really think what unknown can do for this country. People should not do the same.. we like fresh start... there will be 50-50 chance.. Carter was excellent person and fresh.. and failed... Clinton 1 was interesting person and fresh.. and did well for the country... I like my thinking and the better person that I know will do better.. then just being fresh... who would know... after 4 years later, we can all say.. things went south... or we did the right thing... Obama freshness can send this country to south...

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td, brookline, ma — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:46:59 GMT

i mean seriously, how can one argue that deciding the election based on the florida and michigan delegates would be fair given that both candidates promised in advance not count the delegates and built their strategy around the presumption that they wouldn't count? you would think that as democrats we would be sensitive to this sort of thing after bush vs gore 2000.

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Gary, Lancaster, CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:47:15 GMT

speaking about spin. can someone tell me what experience she has had for 35yrs? my wife was a teacher, but i have never ever pretended to be qualified to teach anything. where does she get off pretending to be experienced, unless being old is supposed to give someone an edge besides an aarp discount.

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Terry M — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:49:29 GMT

Eye Opener.... in Las Vegas has the appropriate perspective on this election. This country is at a cross-road and the only viable way out of the
multitude of problems created by two successive elections given to someone who had not the forsight,
experience or common sense to run a country by
the person we currently call our "president".
(You know him..... the DECIDER). Not only did it take
one term to recognize incompetence, many people had to vote him in office a second time before they came to their senses. Now we have a choice of two people,
one of which has been involved with the issues first hand (albeit, not as the general but in involved just the same), and had the country running like a top with a surplus budget for the first time in decades, and the other who has very little experience with most of the issues at hand. While he may be a NEW face and perhaps is a GOOD person, we need someone with experience not someone who is going to be learning on the job. We have just had 7 years of that and our country no longer has time for that.

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mwf, Colorado Springs, CO — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:51:13 GMT

Once more a moronic headline to suck you in.

Clinton "spin"? Sorry I fail to see the "spin" that was advertised as such.

Funny how people formulate their opinion on someone based upon what they read or hear in the news and then go on to repeat it endlessly themselves. More proof of the lack of independent thought that led to dubya being our 'destroyer-in-chief' these past several years.

90% of what is written about Hillary Clinton has a negative slant. It's too bad you people can't see through that.

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Philip, Kailua-Kona, Hawaii — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:52:02 GMT

God, I'm so tired of hearing people beat up on Hillary... what is wrong with you people commenting and at msnbc?

I am a proud Hillary Campaign Donor and will likely donate more to shut you people up.

Obama is full of pomp and arrogance... he should be vice president for a while instead of being arrogant enough to think he can change things in Washington after only 3 years on the national scene

I have never in my 39 years seen such arrogance... and such vial comments from democrats about a brilliant woman.

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James brown — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:52:20 GMT

Let obama win.
Let the republican spin machine trounce him, like they did Dukakis.
this is like Joe Lieberman running as independent and winning the democrat primary winner.
Checkmate - 4 years of republican rule! Obama cannot fight dirty. He has too much baggage. No one wants a pothead for president (at least in america). No one wants more affirmative action in america. No one wants more welfare in america. (these are some samples and will be tweaked MORE to have more emotional impact. Remember willie Horton).

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T, Las Vegas, NV — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:53:24 GMT

Early Unbiased & Unscientific Predictions:

State; Hillary, Obama

Ca; 222, 148
Ga; 26, 61
Il; 31, 122
Ma; 51, 42
NJ; 64, 43
NY; 151, 81
AL; 18, 34
AZ; 28, 28
AR; 18, 17
CO; 33, 22
CT; 29, 19
MN; 25, 47
MO; 32, 40
OK; 23, 15
TN; 27, 41
AK; 3, 10
DE; 11, 4
ID; 5, 13
KS; 10, 22
NM; 13, 13
ND; 5, 8
UT; 9, 14

834, 844

Current; 48, 63

Subtotal 882, 907

Edwards 26, Supporters have gone in favor of Obama.
They say Hillary is ahead by about 100 Superdelegates, with Obama victory lets eliminate this support as a wash.

Total Hillary 882, Obama 933

Then I would have to say Obama momentum would overwhelmingly win states going forward.

We would then rally around Barack Obama '08.

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Tracey Wallace, Dallas, Texas — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:57:25 GMT

I was just wondering if you were even trying to be objective. Guess not.

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Eric Jung — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:58:26 GMT

Although all campaigns try to spin losses into wins, not all campaigns try to spin their competitors' losses into epitaphs for their campaigns. Bill already tried that with SC ("oh, the blacks ALWAYS do good in a black state") and now Wolfson is doing it again. What a load.

OBAMA = Sliced Bread (\snark)

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all for one — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:02:35 GMT

I rather have McCain or Romney to Obama.
I don't want medical marijuana for dopeheads.
The military has no respect for a dopehead president.
Of course, hillary can pay lip service to help obama and let mccain/romney win NY. I have also noticed the dumb oprah, who made her money touting women issues, chose race over women. When push comes to shove similary the majority of the americans will chose a White romney/mccain over a black obama. He will not be a uniter! He will be an affirmative action, welfare touting president. (this is talking points for the awesome republican machine)

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M Y — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:06:31 GMT

I am a republican and i will vote for Obama in general elections, if he gets the nomination.
No Hillary at all.
I am tired of the special interest's politics and want some one fresh in the white house and senate who can work for the people not for the big corporations.
Obama looks like that candidate.

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Eye Opener - Las Vegas — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:06:47 GMT

To Carmen from Colorado,
"Deceiving and unscrupulous" are pretty strong words which I am sure you are entitled to use. I do not know why you feel such hatred, perhaps you were directly victimized and can site specific examples of her deceipt and vile. Bill Clinton's indescretions did not cause us over 3000 lives and trillions in war expense, record budget deficits and a housing crises. And before you pass judgment on anyone, take a look at yourself closely and remember the scriptures when you "cast the first stone"
It is because of you and people like you we got the kind of administration we have now.

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eric D — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:07:49 GMT

Give me a break already with the Florida and Michigan thing. Those state's officials are the ones to blame for their stripped delegates. They all agreed for them not to count...until Hillary won them. Now she wants to change the rules in the middle of the game!?!?! Balderdash! Would she've made a deal about it if she wouldn't have been trounced in SC??? Give me a break! OBAMA 08!

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San Francisco Democrat — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:09:46 GMT

Ex Obama Supporter wrote:

"Obama insults Gavin Newsom for fear of being seen as pro-gay rights. What a despicable act? "
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This is an unsupported claim from a Clinton supporter on voting day - what took him so long to remember? I call bullsh!t.

Nashville_fan (Sent Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:31 PM)

Gavin Newsom confirmed that Obama did do that. It is coming from the horses mouth so I guess it is supported and substantiated. Also, Obama was on defensive and didn't deny this on his statement.

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rep lover — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:11:11 GMT

ObamaMama:
You can kiss bill and Hill goodbye and you can kiss all the hispanic, Asian and most white votes goodbye. We don't trust folks who still want welfare, affirmative action.
I love this! 4 more years of republican rule (i don't care who)

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Rick, Fort Lauderdale, FL — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:12:33 GMT

Rick, Fort Lauderdal

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Rick, Fort Lauderdale, FL — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:16:11 GMT

I'll vote for a Republican before I vote for Obama. Cry about Hillary all you want.

Obama is too Jessie Jackson with his hope and change speach. He'd be a good baptist preacher. Not presidential material.

Hope this country sees him for what he is not.

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jvcabx, wilmington de — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:16:49 GMT

Can you imagine 24 years of the Bush/Billarie Clan?

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L. Johnson — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:18:39 GMT

I think Mrs. Clinton was correct in the statment she made two months ago," It will all be over after Super Tuesday"......

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Don, Seattle Washington — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:20:05 GMT

Why can't reporters just play it straight?

Clinton's camp made certain statements. What they mean are subject to interpretation.

Obviously, they will be "spun" just as most things that are said by anyone - not just political campaigns - contain agendas. Rather like this article contains a dozen agendas, but is presented as unvarnished, objective analysis. Hah.

I don't think that the political process can be changed by Obama, unless Obama is given the power to fire every one of the pundits and political reporters at MSNBC.

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john,astori,new york — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:22:29 GMT

Obamas spin mashine is the one who started the race discussion and blame it to Hillary (or Bill) and the last week especialyy he advertice that he is the only one that opposed the war but his spin mashine doesn't say that he wasn't even a senator at that time and that he voted yes 2,3 times to fund the war while Hillary voted NO, but on womens abortion issues he voted present. Give me a break. His mashine actually is trying to paint a fairy tale with him in the lead act.

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Enrique LaBolsa, Montague, MI — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:22:58 GMT

Are we saying that Obama's team does not spin? Do you not think that his grizzled campaign chairman Axelrod wrote a book or two on spinning tidbits of news to make his own candidate look and sound better than the competitor? You do realize that there is no purity in politics, don't you, or are you that gullible to fall for the most emotive political pick-up line?

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Donna Phillips, Florida — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:23:20 GMT

Yeah Norman!!! Thank you for saying that. What about puff pieces like Oh Obama has wanted to be President since Kindergarten, but Hillary was "plotting" to be president since running for senate? Well, duh! What politician doesn't have dreams of the White House? It's called strategy, not scheming. I watched with disgust two clips from the Today show this morning. First Meridith Viera interviews Hillary and tries to pin her down on importance of popular vote vs. delegates. Then I see oh Obama is being interviewed by Matt Lauer, this should be good. Hah! What a softball pitch. Disgusting. Is the media wearing kid gloves with Obama because he is black? Because he's NOT Hillary? The general election won't pull the same punches. Frankly I think the media's kid glove treatment of Obama is insulting to African Americans. Then I see them trying to bait Jesse Jackson into saying he was insulted by Bill and he WOULDN'T. He said we have to come together as a party or the Republicans could walk right into the oval office.

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Roger, Inland Empire, CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:23:31 GMT

For the first time in many years, after the last debate between Clinton and Obama, my wife and I agreed that both candidates were on strong and equal footing. Also we think that many Republicans do not care for their choices this year, soooooooo there is only one thing that will bring them out in force this year. You guessed it Hillary Clinton. For us Obama is the clear choice.

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Democrat on Obamas Triangulation — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:23:48 GMT

I like Obama but am getting turned off by his HOLIER-THAN-THOU stance. Clinton spin machine? I'm smart enough to pick up that he's played into the same game of OLD politics, too--so please don't go traipsing across the country talking about "change"--as if you're the only untainted candidate in this race.

I refuse to ride the wave, and go along with this mob/herd mentality. Instead, I will look at the issues, their capabilities, and make a thoughtful decision on whom to support. And NOT just because everyone seems to be so enamoured by this lofty speeches/promises of "CHANGE" and the media depiction of a MESSIAH in the coming years.
LEH, California (Sent Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:44 PM)

LEH, thanks for being an intelligent individual. I voted against Obama because of his holier than thou attitude whereas he is the same old politician as everyone else. And he proved it using Clyburn/Brazille/Eugene to paint Clintons as racist, he proved it by aligning with anti-Clinton rhetorics by painting Hillary as a wicked woman. He traingulated himself ob Social Security, Drivers License, Healthcare but he claims Hillary is the traingulator. That is shameless.

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Moving to CNN — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:23:53 GMT

Good bye MSNBC. Once an avid reader of msnbc.com, I am now switching over to CNN. The coverage on this site is so overwhelmingly biased (not even necessary to specify to whose advantage) it rivals that of Fox's purported "fair and balanced" coverage. You talk about the "Clinton" spin, but get it straight - it's the "MSNBC spin" (doing the dirty work of the Obama campaign...maybe because Obama bought the loyalty of the network with all their commercial buys on this station). All of you posting concerns that the reporting on this web site and network doesn't amount to real news, stop posting and just join me in never reading the site again. Go to cnn.com, where they have the "Best Political Team".

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Tuan Ngo, San Jose, CA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:26:54 GMT

I have listened to Obama. He's just not inspiring as the media said. I'm just not sure if he's for positive or negative change. Speaking of media, the media is the largest spin machine there is. Shame on the media.

BTW, Obama is no Kennedy...

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CS, NY — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:27:58 GMT

I HAVE WRITTEN SEVERAL TIMES THAT I WOULD LIKE CNN AND MSNBC TO COVER OBAMAS PAST. NOT ONCE HAVE ANY OF YOU COVERED THIS TOPIC. THAT TO ME IS UNFAIR TO THE AMERICAN VOTERS!!! THIS MAN IS ALL MEDIA HYPE. I CANT BELIEVE PEOPLE MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THIS. WHAT HAS HE DONE? WHAT HAS HE ACCOMPLISHED? FUNNY I TRIED TO DO SOME SEARCHING MYSELF AND COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING. I DID FIND THAT THE STATE OF ILLINOIS HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST UNEMPLOYMENT AND FORECLOSURE RATES IN THE COUNTRY. SO WHAT HAS OBAMA DONE ABOUT THAT? I HOPE IF HE MAKES IT THROUGH TONIGHT, SOMEONE WILL HAVE ENOUGH SENSE TO SHED SOME LIGHT.

OH NO WE CANT....VOTE FOR OBAMA THAT IS

VOTE FOR HILLARY!!!

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Stacy, Virginia — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:33:39 GMT

I thought the Democratic candidates all declared that they would not debate on FOX news?

As for all the posters who whine that MSNBC treats Clinton badly it is amazing that posters write the same thing on all the news boards. Do you think it is possible that it is up to the candidates to control the news cycle? If the Clinton's can't handle the media then how are they going to handle the Country? Or the media while in office?
Negative media attention is part of the experience that they bring with them. And if you think it is bad it will be a hundred times worse if she got the nomination. Might as well just turn the keys over to the Republicans.

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Lazlso, Seattle, WA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:34:16 GMT

This hints at Clinton expecting to have a bad night tonight, and trying to claim some semblence of staying tough in the face of a potential big night by Obama.

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Kevin, Illinois — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:39:15 GMT

Everyone needs to wake up to Hillary Clinton. She can not manage a government where half of the people in the Congress and Senate hate her. The Republicans will ensure she is a Lame Duck President and that will damage the credibilty of women in leadership. Hillary might have 3 good ideas, but you cant push an agenda without a working majority in the legislature. OBAMA will be able to accomplish some things in Washington, because he works with EVERYONE and doesnt demoninze those with different opinions. It's ashame that Barack cant even mention a Past President's name without Hillary attacking him for it. OBAMA has MORE EXPERIENCE in legislative offices. 15 years of the 35 years Hillary touts is working as a Corporate Lawyer; 8 years was as a Wife of a politican, and she is bearly in her 2nd term as a Senator. Her Experience has been spun so you think she is ready. Richardson, McCain, Romney and Obama all have more relavant experience than Hillary.

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Now I See — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:39:28 GMT

S Taylor, Methinks thou dost possess the honor of craziest by virtue of the belief that a second term Senator, who spent most of their professional life working for corporate America and those interests, somehow is the best choice for the future of our Democracy. Riiiight.

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Pat, Seattle, WA — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:41:54 GMT

Wolfson is just another example of what is wrong with the Clintons. Never a straight truthful sentence uttered. Spin, justify, twist, distort, and on and on and on.

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Janaea from Boston — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:42:05 GMT

More spin coming....

"We’ve picked up some e-mail traffic indicating that Nielsen has delayed the release of yesterday’s national cable overnight ratings “due to an issue loading necessary reference data updates.”

The numbers are to be released at 9 a.m. Wednesday. Which means we won’t know how many people tuned in to Hillary Clinton’s town hall meeting on the Hallmark channel until after Super Tuesday."

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Kathryn W Cormier — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:43:52 GMT

I have to agree with the comment from Ladybird! Please America...we have had eight years of someone learning to be President. Wait until you see what the next President has to clean up and I am not convinced that Senator Obama is the man. Heaven help us!!!

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Julia, Pacific Palisades — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:44:48 GMT

Whatever happened to simply reporting the news? Nowadays, we're getting propaganda based on the political leanings of the owners, editors and writers. Spin machine, indeed. The media has SATURATED the airwaves and newspapers with images of Obama. Where are the stories of the OBAMA spin machine? No one talks about his nasty retorts about Hillary Clinton because it's acceptable -- everyone is allowing themselves to get caught up in feeling politically hip and correct. If Obama were a White candidate with the same background, he'd be ignored and deemed too inexperienced. Right now, it's a battle of getting people to tune in so Obama is merely a rating. He's selling papers. If he gets into office, with all of his talk of change (change? He gets endorsement from the Kennedys -- a family that has not been out of American politics since the 1950s) and Oprah Winfrey and he's suddenly the messiah. The problem is, we've had 7 years of George Bush. Seven years. A MESS is being left for us all around the globe and there is no on the job training available for this. No vote here no matter the propaganda. You're mobilizing the Hillary Clinton supporters, and for that, I suppose thanks are in order.

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L-Maryland — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:45:01 GMT

Really, does anyone think Morning Joe is going to cross over to the Dems, He and his little crew almost slide off their seats every morning when Obama's name come up. This is just a smoke screen to get his man Romney in office. Please someone put some glue on their seats tomorrow. Hey let the people choose!!!

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Vast Right-Wing Conspirator, Reno, NV — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:56:20 GMT

If Hillary wins, all the Republicans have to do is run an ad showing her saying, "vast right wing conspiracy" with pictures of Bill and Monica in the background. It'll be game over for the Dems.

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Uncle Ernie, Somewhere, Ohio — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:58:23 GMT

Poor Democrats, finally boils down to a KFC decision... breast or dark meat.

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Isabella, Chicago Il — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:09:16 GMT

Does anybody actually know why Obama did not put his name on the ballot in Michigan? If not, then perhaps you should do some research. The bigger issue is that the voices of Michigan are being diregarded because of a state decision as are the voices of the voters in Florida. For the record Obama and Edwards withdrew from the Michigan ballot because the state broke the rules regarding primaries. I am Hillary supporter yet finding the truth is more important than listening to a communication director whosever campaign he/she belongs to!

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mark — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:16:08 GMT

Obama is a very rude, dirty , corrupt politician. In this prudential race, he has been play race card, victim card and the like. Without Tony Razko, he even couldn’t be elected as a Illinois congressman. He wrote letters for Razko for getting government contract, as return, He has received large amount dirty money for his political career and his current presidential campaign, and moreover He jointly bought a mansion with Razko which Obama got $300,000 discount, whereas Razko not, strange? Razko’s trial start March 3, let us seeing more Obama corrupt details revealing.

He is nothing but empty talk. He is just another inexperienced Bush we have 8 years. We don’t want Bush, so we don’t want Obama!

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Pete from MN — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:17:28 GMT

James Brown said "Obama has too much baggage..." hahahahaha....that is the quote of the year from a Clinton fan.

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Ray, Austin, Texas — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:17:49 GMT

Spin much? Only from this biased and merry-go-round article. And for those who are spouting the FL, she didn't take her name off the ballot, music. Your dance has ended. Obama and Edwards ALSO HAD THEIR NAMES ON THE BALLOT. So she blew them out of the water WITH their names on the ballot AND Obama airing TV ad's there BEFORE the election.

Obama is a fake and has no substance. All hat and no cattle.

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Tommy — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:20:06 GMT

You gals sure are cute when you're mad.

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martha Corpus Christi Tx. — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:23:17 GMT

Wait till the Texas primary.People heads are going to be spinning like in the Exorcist.

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Yuri Broze, Ann Arbor MI — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:23:25 GMT

I love the first four posts on this page, all made in a few minutes of each other, and each one from the SAME PERSON! Same grammar, same internet-slang, same use of "boys". Pretty ridiculous.

Obama has a campaign that is not stupid, however it does NOT assume that the American people are, as Clinton's seems to do. She has held some large leads in these states for a very long time, and it's pretty ridiculous to try to spin things this way.

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Norma, Los Angeles, CA — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:28:03 GMT

I am so disappointed in our country and how people have become so hateful and divided. We have black killing black. Black/Brown killing each other. We have black/brown/white/people being killed in foreign wars. We have people losing jobs, homes, families are homeless and people in disaster areas that can't get help to rebuild their lives.

We have two democratic candidates that as a team could not only make history but could spend the next 16+ years working together and bring this country back to prosperity and rebuild unity.

We have a black man who preaches an inspirational message but no track record to make the CHANGE. But could learn as the VP and become President in 8yrs.
We have a white woman who has spent her life working in the public sector. She has been in the government houses and established world wide respected relationships. She doesn't preach a sermon she gives you the facts and leadership direction for resolution.

Wake up America, we and I say WE can make a CHANGE by putting the right TEAM-not individual in the White House for the next 16+ years. Now that is how we get change and move this country forward. For Gods sake use your mind instead of your greed and hatred.

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Shannon Johnson, Atlanta, Georgia — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:29:44 GMT

Hillary is the best suited candidate. I believe that both Obama and Hillary can make change, but Hillary has more experience, education, and connections in the senate and with foreign people to get the job done more quickly and efficiently. I don't know why everyone is ragging on her. She has proven herself a capable leader, unlike Obama. I'm not going to put someone in the White House who hasn't earned it, and Hillary has been around this her whole life so she knows what needs to be done and how. And I personally don't care about if the president is a nice person or likable.. This is not a popularity contest it's about who can do the job the best.

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mike in san antonio` — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:30:31 GMT

I Will vote for Hillary, she's more of a man than Bill ever was and has more cajones than he ever had.

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E Heffron — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:38:40 GMT

I hhave noticed that Msnbc is very partial to Obama. My god have you nothing good to say about Hillary. Personally I am switching to CNN for some unbiased reporting. Of course Chris Mathews helped put Bush in the white house. He admitted to that .So his remarks are overlooked by me.

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John, ATL, GA — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:41:24 GMT

I guess Billary thinks that DEM's have forgotten all about the mysterious disappearances and unresolved murders surrounding Whitewater, Vincent Foster, James McDougal, Ron Brown, Larry McDonald,Mary Mahoney's murder, Bill's son he fathered with a prostitute, WACO, etc. American citizen's have a right to know the truth....I know, the Clinton's can't handle the truth. Why on earth would anyone want to put these two sociopaths back in the Whitehouse. These past 20 years have been nothing more than a secret pact with the Bushes and Clintons agreeing to set up the BUSH/Clinton Dynasties. I wouldn't vote for Billary if she was the last man standing and I mean that literally. The Clintons/Bushes are nothing more than legalized assassins. Enough Already.

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NinaK, Tacoma Wash — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:45:39 GMT

TO ALL VOTING STATES ON 5 FEB 08: Well folks, sure looks like Hillary has REALLY BEEN LYING TO THE NATION!! Senator Clinton has based her campaign on an erroneous claim to greater legislative and administrative experience. Former President Clinton talks up her role in his administration on the campaign trail but pointedly refuses to release any documents that would provide greater details on her actual activities there. It is broadly understood that Hillary spearheaded the response team that staved off Republican attacks and spun the many scandals of the Clinton years. As to her Senate record, no one in the press has had the diligence to lay out her record for the public to assess.

Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.
These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.

1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Only five of Clinton's bills are more substantive.

16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it, the facts straight from the Senate Record.

Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced

233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.

In all since enter the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. An impressive record for someone who supposedly has no record according to the spin meisters and mindless twits. I challenge Clinton supporters to name a single legislative accomplishment that demonstrates her superior experience.

Posted by: Mark | February 4, 2008 9:39 PM

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Stacy, Virginia — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:52:01 GMT

For those that believe Barrack Obama hasn't been vetted and there might be skeletons in his closet.

Do you really think that the Clinton Campaign hasn't turned over every rock? I am not a Clinton supporter, but I give them credit for having the best political machine ever seen. If there was something they would have found it, they would have anonomously made sure it was public, and they would have kept at it like a dog with a bone.
I think the worst they could come up with is his self admitted drug experimentation. Since upwards of 60-70% of the population have admitted to past drug use I doubt it will sway many people one way or the other.

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Norma, Los Angeles, CA — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:00:25 GMT

I am so sick of the News media. The Georgia polls have just closed with 0% of the votes counted and you predict Obama the winner. There is something unconstitutional about your business. I'm turning off the TV and will just wait until tomorrow to read the results after the votes have been counted.

Disgusted at all of you.

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Tom, Springboro,PA — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:17:14 GMT

It is time to have a woman's viewpoint on such issues as war and relatrionships with other nations. Obama is still just another man!

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cs ny — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:44:56 GMT

Keven from Illinois
Well you are from Obamas home state. Why dont you share with us just what did Obama do for that state the whole time he was there? Give me some facts will you? And while your at it why don't you tell us what the economic and housing situation is like in Illinois? And why dont you share with us how many do not have health insurance in ILLINOIS! Ha im sure you will find he could not accomplish too much huh?

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Pam — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:45:16 GMT

After reading the previous comments made here I am leaning more toward Clinton for President. There have been many points made about Clinton's experience and abilities while little or nothing substantial about Obama. I like both of them and still not sure which way I'll vote. I am weighing Obama's charisma against Clinton's experience. And unlike some of the comments made I do not feel like Clinton is only out for herself nor do I think she is a liar. Her life has been an open book for several years. I only heard Obama's name last year when he announced his decision to run for President. What do we really know about him?
Like them both
how lucky can I get

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NinaK — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:45:22 GMT

Folks, here's something to make us all think: From Hillary's mouth: "I'M GOING TO GET UP EVERY DAY AND WORK I'M GOING TO SPEND EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY FIGURING OUT HOW TO HELP SOMEBODY" Does this make sense to anyone?

1) Hillary is going to spend every minute of every day figuring out how to help somebody. With her self-proclaimed 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE you would think she would KNOW how to help ALL CITIZENS!

2) Ultimately, since she is going to be so busy figuring out how to help somebody, she will NOT be able help anyone!!

3) While she is so busy figuring out how to help sombody, WHO IS GOING TO PERFORM THE PRESIDENTIAL DUTIES? BILL?

4) Yes, indeed, Hillary will be ready on day one, all she is going to be doing is figuring out how to help somebody!

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Deborah Barr Stevens, Romulus, NY — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:55:51 GMT

I agree. Media has taken the sports analogy too far here. This is not a football game. Stop with all the hyperbole! This is the future of our country at stake. Wait until all polls are closed to share results.

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cs ny — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:09:26 GMT

Oh brilliant Nina from Tacoma Wash.
Why don't you go to Senate.gov to really get a full glimpse of what Hillary Clinton has worked on and don't give us your bull!! Hillary sponsored and actually got things passed into law as compared to Obama. You are comparing apples to oranges...
Obama may have sponsored these bills but got nowhere with them. If you examine the state of Illinois you will find they are not doing so well. Oh and I almost forgot, its funny but in Obamas own home state looks like he didn't win the primary by a landslide. Thats for sure.

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NinaK — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:02:36 GMT

Leh in CA said: I like Obama but am getting turned off by his HOLIER-THAN-THOU stance. Clinton spin machine? I'm smart enough to pick up that he's played into the same game of OLD politics, too--so please don't go traipsing across the country talking about "change"--as if you're the only untainted candidate in this race.

I refuse to ride the wave, and go along with this mob/herd mentality. Instead, I will look at the issues, their capabilities, and make a thoughtful decision on whom to support. And NOT just because everyone seems to be so enamoured by this lofty speeches/promises of "CHANGE" and the media depiction of a MESSIAH in the coming years.
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Leh, here are Hillary's and Mr. Obama's senate records: Please decide for yourself WHO HAS THE MOST "LEGISLATIVE EXPERIENCE" AND WHO HAS DONE THE MOST FOR HIS COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE.
Senator Clinton has based her campaign on an erroneous claim to greater legislative and administrative experience. Former President Clinton talks up her role in his administration on the campaign trail but pointedly refuses to release any documents that would provide greater details on her actual activities there. It is broadly understood that Hillary spearheaded the response team that staved off Republican attacks and spun the many scandals of the Clinton years. As to her Senate record, no one in the press has had the diligence to lay out her record for the public to assess.

Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.
These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.

1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Only five of Clinton's bills are more substantive.

16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it, the facts straight from the Senate Record.

Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced

233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.

In all since enter the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. An impressive record for someone who supposedly has no record according to the spin meisters and mindless twits. I challenge Clinton supporters to name a single legislative accomplishment that demonstrates her superior experience.

Posted by: Mark | February 4, 2008 9:39 PM

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nuanced — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:45:37 GMT

First Read, thank you for analyzing the spin instead of just being stenographers as most of the media do.

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cs ny — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:22:59 GMT

nina k tacoma washington

Well thats nice work for you. Thanks for the website where I found out the real number of bills that were sponsored by Senator Clinton. #1 is most interesting. Thanks for your wonderful insight. It made me THANK GOD I voted for Sentor Clinton even more!

Now, I would like to know how many were actually passed into law compared to Obamas 3.... Was that what you highlighted. 3????