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terry edmonds wa — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:27:26 GMT

ho hum....zzzz...more corpocracy no matter who "is chosen"...government of, by, and for the corporations

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sotiredofignorance — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:30:21 GMT

Excellent campaign! Congratulations to Senator Obama. Hoping the momentum continues. Time to turn the page, and have someone new in the White House.

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CN,Nashville,TN — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:31:32 GMT

Well, however the numbers fall, Bill took away any chance that Hilary will ever get this black woman's vote!

Bill showed his true colors by being the first to bring race into this contest, and I for one will not forget it.

Sorry Obama, this unity thing has to work both ways.

Nobody likes feeling duped and used for another's own selfish gain.

Blacks trusted you, Bill!

Now, Hilary turns to the Hispanics, to use them, with the larger population, more votes, while you, with your words, treat the Blacks that supported you all those years like insignificant, foolish believers of "fairytales".

Well, it was the Black "fairytale" hope, dream, belief and trust in you that helped carry you throughout your career, that welcomed you, and even still admired you through all of your past betrayals, only to be, ourselves, betrayed by your arrogance.

You have reopened those slow healing wounds of distrust. They are newly fresh once again and they will burn long and deep.

No, I cannot support you this time. I may be only one vote, not missed, nor noticed, but perhaps remembered.

PLEASE...close the door behind you.

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Bob - NC — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:33:59 GMT

"...among those identifying themselves as “very conservative,” it was Romney 48%, Huckabee 26%, and McCain 19%."

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Joe Hughes Boca Raton, FL — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:34:11 GMT

John McCain has made every dirty deal he could make to try and get the Republican nomination. The dirty trick express was in full swing in West Virginia last night and I am sure it has a full list of stops all over the country.

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Billy, Normal, IL — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:36:07 GMT

One key point is that Obama managed to stay slightly behind. That's actually a good thing to not be targeted as the front-runner, as the schedule moves to states that heavily favor him. This whole day couldn't have been better for Obama as I see things.

What will be funny all day is to watch the Clinton supporters scraping for some sort of positive spin. Narrow wins in the NE (including huge delegate bleeding in NY), and getting trounced in some key states like GA, MN, and KS. Getting shut out of the Pac-NW. A narrow win in CA while watching eroding support by Latinos. White men with Confederate flags on their pickup trucks actually voting for a black man in the South.

So where exactly is the good news? Where is the devastating blow that Billary supporters were promising on Feb. 5?

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adam/Brooklyn New York City — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:36:16 GMT

Hillary's Health Care Plan forces people to buy crappy insurance from corporate health insuance agencies. Her Health Care proposal was written by the Lobby. She takes more money from them than anyone in the race.

It's kind of like forcing starving people to buy happy meals at mcdonalds and then garnishing their wages if they can't aford it.

Obama's plan focuses on bringing the cost down so that people and businesses aren't throwing ridiculous amounts of money at the health insurance agencies that turn around and fund Hillary Clinton's campaign.

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Amy B Portland, ME — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:37:17 GMT

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John Muoio — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:37:45 GMT

It's all a setup for the convention where Gore will be the nominee. He will be "reluctantly called to serve his country because we have asked him to and what better way to save the planet than to establish the United States as a leader in curbing Global Warming" The freaking progressive, ignorant, pampered, rich media have elevated Mr. Gore to an almost holy status which will give him the credibility to run and win. There is no way we are voting a black man or a woman as president before one of them does a stint as vice president. Just like there will never be a president "Huck". Let's be honest about this. America are all racists and chauvinists in one way or another. Progressives just force themselves to overcome it, sometimes irrationally. So when it comes to the private booth, many will fall back on their truth and not vote for either as president out of fear. And rightfully so. Obama is as disingenuous as the come. Hillary is so full of hubris to think she has any ability, experience, or temperment to run the most powerful nation on earth. Gore will be a welcome candidate for the Dems. AND if that weren't enough.....the Global Warming hoax has penetrated even some conservative minds and the conservative candidates are lackluster at best. McCain:Scary, Romney:Cult-eyed Mormon Paul:Too Odd Huckabee:Bumpkin Giulani:Prick Hunter:Who? Look, I'm not passing these judgements, so don't get on me. I'm just saying I think this is how the country feels. Because of all of it, even some conservatives, who are scared of Global Warming, would rather deal with 4 years of Gore until they can come up with someone better. Howard Dean and the party is planning it this way. An inconvenient truth is a campaign film by Gore to establish him as holy. Obama and Mrs. Bill Clinton will be deadlocked at the convention and the only way to get a mandate for their candidate will be Gore. And he is SO holy that everyone will bow before his greatness and we will all be SO honored that he has stepped down from his Mt. Olympus of Warming that he will wind the nomination in a landslide and the election pretty handily. There is a huge base of conservatives that just can't stand him, but not enough to overcome the "Global Warming scared" moderates. I admire Gore's political acumen, he is a smart guy and he's played it beautifully. He hasn't had to spend a dime, nor will he have to spend very much. Why would he when he's got Spielberg, the NY Times and every other form of media outlet singing his praises already under the guise of "Global Warming".

Gore is it....I promise you that.

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Umakemesick, California — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:38:18 GMT

Obama, Obama, Obama. That is all we hear from YOU Chuck; in addition to every negative spin, and dirt you can dig up against Hillary. It turns my stomach. Just Remember Chuck, and I think this is what you want, Obama, can not, I repeat, can not win in November if the Democrats are divided. And that is exactly what you and the MSNBS/Obama network are doing to us with your bias, Hillary hating, one sided reporting. You people are no better than the Republican attach machine. I am sick of MSNBC.

If Hillary wins this thing, I hope she boycotts your show and never appear on it while she is president.

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Sharon Stone — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:39:29 GMT

Barack Hussein Obama is a glorious speaker. He has much charisma and people are attracked to him, even though if you listen closly he is saying nothing of value. He is a major charlatan. If elected he will be way in over his head.

Vote for Hillary

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Bonnie Vernal Utah — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:40:09 GMT

If you want and mean little troll for president, vote for John McCain.

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tany k, st. cloud, mn — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:41:22 GMT

This proves Obama can not win a general. Latins would go to McCain in a general. They will not vote strongly for Obama. Republicans and independant whites will overwhemingly vote against Obama. There are no cuacases in the general. Obama will be stuck with the black vote and about 30% of the white vote. He may split the latin vote, but it will not be enough. Asians will not go for Obama. He would be a big loser in the general. As a now former Obama supported, last night made it clear. The only way the dems can take back the white house is if the ticket is Hillary/Obama. This is an unbeatable ticket. Hillary can win it on her own by a sliver, but Obama unfortubatly can not. He would lose big. Dems, please look at the big prize. Clinton/Obama wins it.

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Blaine — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:44:22 GMT

Hillary has been the national limelight since 1992 when Bill ran and won for POTUS. Obama became a public figure in August of 2004. They battled to a national draw last night. Given those obvious variables, I dare say, you make the call First Read. Because I believe that the upside is with BO, not HRC.

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mike — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:45:01 GMT

Nice I knew Obama would win mores States and more Delegates.... the money situation is optimal and he still has the momentum... What a difference 2 weeks makes.

Wish we could have takened California but winning more delegates across all states is ultimately better.

Still congrats to Clinton on that big win in Cali.

Good to be a democrat

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Fred C Dobbs, Sierra Madre, CA — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:47:18 GMT

Nothing changes today on the MSNBC spin machine for Obama. Wow, he won more states including Alaska/N.D./Del./Idaho!

Nice touch Zogby showing Obama up by 13% in Ca. Survey USA had it right by 10%. Same pollers who tried and lost their way with the numbers in NH!

A good night for the Kennedy clan in Boston. Ted and his folks can now go back to the sixties where they belong!

MSNBC still trying to spin the delegate count but the TRUTH is that Hillary Clinton leads in delegates.

Hillary Clinton has a better health care plan. A better plan for the economy and a better way out of Iraq!

Oh, we didn't watch MSNBC for a second last night - 90% CNN and 10% Fox (ugh). How did Chris and Keith do?
Just kidding - who cares about those spin meisters!

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Minda Lillie La Follette, TN — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:48:22 GMT

MSNBC likes to tout Obama's win in red caucus states. Really? So he could win in the fall there? Not likely. Seems to me that Obama cannot win the general election because he can't win a majority of the white vote even in the democratic primary states,nor a majority of the Hispanic vote, therefore in the fall should he be the nominee, he cannot win. Say hello to Pres. John Cainbo oops! McCain. There aren't enough black voters for Obama to win. Sorry kiddies. The only hope the democrats have is to elect Hillary as their nominee. She at least has a fighting chance. Obama will never be Pres. Not this year anyway.

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David - MO — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:49:22 GMT

Time to add to the timeline days to the convention.

Obama was not suppose to win NY, NJ, or CA what he did was get closer than the polls. He did upset Clintons in CT and MO. Otherwise it was even. Will the media follow the Clintons on that the next states don't matter only OH, TX,...

The Clintons will continue to gain in Super Delegates. But the pledged delegates to Edwards are the ones that could make the difference. (Richardson will pledge his to Clintons)

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faboo mama — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:54:12 GMT

I'm still thrilled about last night. I'm still stunned by some of Obama's wins. I sat here last night, watching them call states for him and it didn't really dawn on me until I was tabulating them for my blog. I was just blown away that in some states, Obama "from nowhere" could go from a 28 point deficit 2.5 months ago, to winning by 25%. To beat the Clinton's and their entrenched and extensive noise machine. Despite their race-baiting, and lies about Sen. Obama's present votes and other smear, he won in states that he wasn't projected to win. As of a week ago, he had NY and IL as possible wins. All 8 of Clinton's states she was expected to win even before Iowa. She still had to spend a lot of money and time in those states. And just looking at the map and the number of votes, Obama could beat any of the GOP candidates. Clinton would be like John Kerry and get the coasts. Yes, it's was a very good night.

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Geoff in Brooklyn — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:54:46 GMT

I note that it is totally WRONG for anyone in the media to start suddenly reporting super delegate totals. All along the totals have been based on delegates won by the voting. Obama has been a bit ahead since Iowa, and he has EXTENDED his lead every voting day since. Tie in NH, win in NV, win in SC, overall win on super tuesday. Ultimately the superdelegates will have to follow the voting trend. Thus, the number of delegates won should be reported, ESPCIALLY since that has been what is reported to date, and it is unfair to suddenly shift. Shifting would give the impression Clinton gained on super tues. But in fact she LOST ground (though just a tiny bit).

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Gary Treadwell, Texas — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:55:18 GMT

Now the Democrats will begin to consume each other. It iwll be nice to see them tear themselves apart.

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Ron, TX — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:55:24 GMT

Don't walk into defeat America!

http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080206/NATION/476091143/1001
"The senator from Arizona beats the senator from New York in 14 of 17 head-to-head polls taken since Dec. 6, but he wins just five of 17 against the senator from Illinois over the same period. Analysts say Mrs. Clinton is so divisive that she would drive moderates and some independents to Mr. McCain. Mr. Obama, conversely, could draw from the pool of supporters who have delivered wins to Mr. McCain in a host of presidential primaries.
"

It's about more than change. It's about being able to deliver on that change in November, not from ANOTHER democratic defeat, but from a monumentous win!

Obama - Ready to deliver the win on Day Zero!

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PEM, Central Jersey — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:55:50 GMT

Obama is the future. Clinton is the past.

"Obama won big among voters ages 17-29 (59%-38%), and Clinton won big among those 60 and older (55%-38%)"

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Jane, Cary, NC — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:58:02 GMT

Who is the BEST candidate for the DEMOCRATS in NOVEMBER???

BARACK OBAMA!!

Why?

We know whoever the Democratic candidate is they will win New York and California. So Hillary's wins in those two are not that conclusive.

But in order to WIN, the Democrats MUST win toss-up states like Missouri and Iowa. Obama has proven he can win these. He is competitive in states like Georgia. He, of course, would win in most of the New England states. He will win Illinois. He will be competitive in states like Colorado.

If you look at the BIG PICTURE Obama will be much more likely to WIN in the fall. HE IS A UNITER - NOT A POLARIZER! HE WILL NOT GALVANIZE THE GOP BASE THE WAY HILLARY WILL! He attracts INDEPENDENTS and even some REPUBLICANS! So let's not become so taken with wins by Hillary in New York and CA. I think EITHER DEMOCRAT will win those. MISSOURI is a key indicator. And Obama won that. Plus, he will make some Southern states competitive. He'll bring Illinois easily, as well as be competitive in places like Colorado.

BOTTOM LINE - OBAMA HAS PROVEN HE HAS BROAD GEOGRAPHIC APPEAL - AND APPEAL TO MORE THAN THE CORE DEMOCRATIC BASE! OBAMA WILL WIN IN NOVEMBER - HILLARY CANNOT.

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Umakemesick, California — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:00:26 GMT

TO: All the Obama supports and Hillary Haters, It was clear last night that the Republicans will win in November. listen to all the hate coming from Democrats. You all make me sick.

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California Independent — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:01:20 GMT

Hillary won California because of Latinos and Asians, who, for whatever their reasons, voted for Senator Clinton in almost 2 to 1 ratios. Despite all the talk about white/black race issues, the real race issues appear not to be white/black (look at the massive wins Obama racked up in lilly-white states last night) but perhaps in the latino and Asian communities.

Obama's surge here was real the past few weeks and should be troubling to Clinton supporters. He won the Bay Area, the most highly-educated area in the country.

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Russell Wells, Maine — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:02:07 GMT

The race isnt over yet and no matter what a lot of ous will go democratic before supporting a foot soldier.....I would even support huk if he get there...Obama has a real good shot over clinton..No matter what you can thank the media for your canadates.........Change Still can be done....Yes we can

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Tuck, realityville, KS — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:02:28 GMT

Obama lost big time.

You believe utah, alaska, n.dakota, and ks are going to vote democratic?

sure.

Obama should resign

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:02:42 GMT

My big concerns about the Dems is that they will bloody each other leading up to a possible brokered convention allowing McCain to be the nominee early and sit back and allow the Democrats to beat each other up. Rommey needs to hang it up unless he likes to blow his own money by all means go for it.

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CJ — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:03:36 GMT

The party is going to have to make a decision and these super delegates are going to have to decide to either vote with their personal interests or vote with their state/country. Obama has won across the heartland,south, West, and NE...what more do they want. New Mexico is still in play so late..that's a suprise. Clinton won the traditional coastal states..and not by large margins...that just does not impress me.

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A Schanker — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:03:38 GMT

Barack lost all the big states with the largest population. I don't watch Msnbc any longer for they are bias and very negative. As far as the Red states, Democrats will never win in general election. So have some kool aid when the Barck campaign spins you. Congradulation Hillary. No one with a thinking mind pays attention to these people. The big fuss over Ophrah, the Kennedys. The media loved it. Whos Laughing now?

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Minda Lillie La Follette, TN — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:03:38 GMT

BTW CN of Nashville, you have believed the Obama lies about race. He is using this. Obama brought race in the door when he announced just like Hillary brought gender. Bill Clinton never said anything racist, so your feelings are not justified, but it seems blacks always play victim. Bill Clinton actually cared about the black community, too bad you all forgot that when one of your own came along. This race thing is all ginned up by the Obama campaign and the attack dog press. They used race and convinced you he (Clinton) was racist? You are being duped, or is it you are being just the racist your community is proving to be? It is clear that as a group, the black voters are voting for their race in this election, but be careful what you wish for, you just might get it, a candidate who has no chance of winning in the fall. You of all people should know you live in a racist country, that hasn't changed all that much and will take a few more years before it does.

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Chuck, NY — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:03:38 GMT

Just some numbers crunching. Clinton recieved only 130,000 more votes in all the states yesterday. The DEMS received 13.8 million votes and the GOP received 7.9 million votes in common states yesterday. It does not look good for the GOP in the fall if this keeps up. Even GOP states like AR, GA, MO, ND, OK and TN had more DEM voters than GOP.

Keep up the momentum Senator Obama. Yes we can!

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Alice Dobson, Concord, NH — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:06:05 GMT

Chuck Todd -

How many votes in CA were absentee and what was the breakdown for Hillary and Obama?

Did most of the late-deciders break for Obama or for Clinton?

Please find out and let us know! Thanks!

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John Doe — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:06:15 GMT

Obama has opened those wounds for sure. Clintons didnt start the race card he did and on purpose to neutralize clintons. Smart move,he blamed clintons for it. Old political box trick and it worked. There was enough leariness left in our land, black americans were glad to believe it. Bill Clinton did a lot for race issues but people needed to think he was playing race card so they could leave there loyalty to him and back Obama.To me this says a lot about your leader ,Obama, no loyalty will stand in his way. What he will do for you he will do to you.Use your mind. This isnt the end of your dream but watch what you ask for.

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justanotherdummycrat, Norwich, NY — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:06:36 GMT

well mr john muoio i have been tossing this same theory around since the week before christmas when mathews and olberman started to really slant every broadcast toward obama....running edwards out early and causing every debate host to ask the clinton questions in such a way that she can't answer,...she has to defend herself...while tossing creampuffs at obama.....it is getting sickening to watch.

anyway, i was hoping to see another opinion as yours especially now in the wake of edwards removing himself....this convention will be very interesting to say the least....these 2 candidates better tread lightly because the big test will come 4 years from now and the winner could be the one who best learns from his or her mistakes....go gore!!!!

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Umakemesick, California — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:06:43 GMT

To: CN,Nashville,TN (Sent Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:31 AM)

With statements like that, we will have a republican in office in November. Keep up the good work!

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Pat Huntington NY — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:06:50 GMT

If you want and mean little troll for president, vote for John McCain.
Bonnie Vernal Utah (Sent Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:40 AM)

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Thanks for that post, it made me chuckle this morning. And, it finally gave me a description of McCain I've been trying to come up with for days.

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:09:28 GMT

Right on Terry E of wa it has always been about corporate greed and the ignorant masses who flock like obediant sheep to vote for politicians who promise everything and deliver nothing exept pork.

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Adam, Pittsburgh, PA — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:10:13 GMT

Hispanics go to McCain in a general against Obama?! Yeah, right. Now matter how soft Hispanic support is for Obama (and he did better than he was supposed to have done - 30% was the advertised threshold), the Hispanic vote isn't going to a Republican for many, many years, even if McCain is the nominee.

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Dong, LA, CA — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:10:17 GMT

I said it before. If Obama wins, he will loss CA in Nov. Most latinos and asians will vote McCain. I don't think any dem can win the general election w/o CA.

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nadeem — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:11:40 GMT

Quite the underdog achievment.

Comming out of SC the buzz was Clinton was leading by 20pts in all the Super Tuesday States. To acheive what Obama has against a well oiled 20 year old political machine is amazing.

If the voting patterns on the above demographics hold who would be ahead in delagates on March 4th?

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Southern Boy — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:13:39 GMT

Even if McCain is a mean, little troll (and he is not), he is not a whiny little bitch. NOBODY is going to mess with McCain when he is elected President. He has guts.

I dedicate "Tears of a Clown" to Miss Hillary and a big bottle of Valium.

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Electoral Votes Matter — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:14:36 GMT

This proves that Obama can not win GEneral Election. Red states win is useless because Republicans have bigger following in those states that is why they are red states. They will go for McCain, even the independents.

If Obama can not win the blue states, what is he going to do in General Election? Without Hillary, Obama is nothing in blue states.

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Al, KS — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:15:54 GMT

Report from the small caucus state of Kansas.
At a rural National Guard Armory where in 2004 there were 40 voters, last night 183 people came out on a cold and snowy night. The crowd had to be moved to a larger room and as the crowd broke into Hillary and Obama camps, there were 3 undecided and 4 Edwards voters. 2 stayed with Edwards, (ultimately saying that they would back Huckabee?) while the rest went 4 to Obama and 1 to Hillary. Many of the Obama supporters had driven over an hour to get to the caucus, while most of the Hillary supporters where from the local area. The Obama leaders were better prepared, with signs, buttons, and leaflets describing the candidate's positions and history, while Hillary's leaders only had a few signs. Obama's supporters were more diverse, old and young, a few blacks (5), and even a Dutch woman originally from South Africa. Hillary's supporters were mostly older (many 60+ years old), mostly female, with a few very young 17-18 year old voters. There was no pressure on either side, just good spirited debating for the undecided and Edwards voters. Really only 1 Hillary supporter (the leader I guess) to try to convince the non-aligned voters, while several Obama supporters joined the debate. In the end it was 100 for Obama and 81 for Hillary. The final delegate count was 3 for Obama and 2 for Hillary. From what I observed, the Obama folks were better prepared at a grass root level, and were more committed driving farther, and more animated during the process. Although it was hard to tell who were the actual leaders, it seemed like there were 4 Obama organizers to 1 Hillary organizer.

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SJS, Kansas City, MO — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:16:14 GMT

Of course, Chuck and the crew continue their Barak infomercial on a full-time basis. If it weren't for the media's relentless Clinton bashing and Barak gushing, this thing would have been settled last night. We might have had a winning ticket by now: Clinton-Obama.

But there's other news. Memo to the Kennedys: Dems aren't that in to you; we don't accept that your word is our command. You'd deliver MA and CA for Barak...? Just check the final numbers.

Ultimate message: Teddy, Take your red nose and cirrhotic liver and hit the bricks. You've been DISMISSED!

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:16:59 GMT

Why do all the people who claim to be so sick of MSNBC keep coming back to post?

All in all, Obama is in a great position. Roughly tied in delegates, and only trailing a bit because of Clinton's headstart with super delegates. And he has resources to compete whereas it seems that's a question about the Clinton campaign.

Who would have thought it? Practically tied after Tsunami Tuesday, and people wondering if Clinton has the resources for the long haul.

Also, does anyone really think this super delegate lead will hold if Obama leads in vote-generated delegates after the last state is counted? Talk about risking a party fracture.

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TEC-spring-TX — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:17:17 GMT

Thanks to First read we all can express our free and independent thoughts. Thanks first read for being here for all people with different opinions and affiliations.
Also thanks to all who voted in Super Tuesday especially those who voted for their candidate despite all of the rhetoric written at first read and those awful on air pundits that asked you to give your vote to their candidate, because your candidate was not liberal or not conservative enough to win the nomination. Every citizen has the right to vote and express his or her desire for this country’s leadership, even if it is to vote for a Ralph Nader or some other minor candidate.

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JohnnyU, WA State — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:19:03 GMT

Someone in a thread here yesterday suggested that music says it best, I agree:
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Romney: "Can't Buy Me Love" (Beatles)
McCain: "Old & In the Way" (Jerry Garcia)
Hillary: "Stand By Your Man" (Loretta)
Barack: "Time Has Come Today" (Chambers Bros)
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Bonus tracks:
Dick Cheney: "Take the Money & Run" (Steve Miller)
George W: "Whiskey River" (Willie Nelson)

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Michael — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:19:21 GMT

Man, can we knock off the Latinos will not vote for Obama meme? These are all Democratic voters, and they are voting for Hillary largely off of her history with that population and a failure of Obama to make strong inroads thus far (one exit poll I was reading showed a split actually between primarily english-speaking Hispanics and those who primarily followed spanish language channels, with Obama doing very well in the English-speaking group). It's mainly about name recognition and votes that are FOR Hillary, not anti-Obama. The more people hear and see him, the higher his number go. They'll all be onboard in the general when he's the nominee.

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SP — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:20:36 GMT

Not sure that I understand the "argument that he might be the most electable Democrat in a general election was bolstered by the fact that he won nine red states versus four for Clinton." Winning in a state that will go red in the general means jack.

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Holly , Maryland — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:22:06 GMT

Chuck-
Thanks for staying up and doing all the numbers. I have one more job for you to do. Can you do a comparison of the states that allow independenets to vote in the primary virsus states that do not allow registered independents to vote. It would be interesting to know who the democratic winner is so far based on that breakdown.
Is Clinton winning where independents don't vote and Obama winning where they do?
As a registered independent in Maryland where I cannot vote for a candidate in the primary election, I'm feeling a little disenfranchised this year. I guess I'll just have to send my candidate more money.

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Phred, NH — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:23:39 GMT

Super Tuesday came and the people did vote
The delegate count the pundits were quick to note

Showed to be quite close to a draw
Left both candidiates feeling a bit raw

Take a day off to pause and reflect
Your constituents feel a tad of neglect

Guess we'll figure just what it all means
Thankfully Hillary doesn't wear jeans

Thanks to voters whose ballots were cast
Those who don't vote will finish in last

Continue the campaign to see where it leads us
And whatever you do, don't get hit by a bus

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CitizenJ — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:24:25 GMT

The CNN website says Clinton has 783 delegates, Obama 709. CBS says its Clinton 900 to Obamas' 824. I keep hearing that Super Delegates are elected officials like Congresspeople, but how do they get apportioned? I'm so confused!

Amy B Portland, ME (Sent Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:37 AM)

Amy,

Superdelegates aren't really apportioned. They can change who they are supporting any time they want. Someone supporting Clinton at breakfast could be supporting Obama at lunch.

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Nubia Ebner — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:24:34 GMT

I think the media ultimately drives the candidates votes. some things are taken out of context and many people believe what they hear or read. But few go in to real deep reasearch to find the truth. Even before Hillary ever announced her interest in the presidency, I said "If she ever runs for president, she has my vote." As a woman, she has taught as a great lesson, to not give up. To know that we too can achieve big things. It is time for change and she can bring that change because this country has never had a woman president. On Mother's day there as so many great things said about women and how they are so great and how men could not be who they are without them. It's time to let us be led by a woman and I believe that Hillary is that woman. She has the strength to stand against criticism. If the media promotes Obama and McCain, and not so much the rest, of course people will begin to believe and vote for them. But readers, please understand that it's not just about what we hear. We need to research deep into the issues the candidates are supporting and go to their home page and read everything and read books about them, their biographies and then cast your vote.

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Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:26:27 GMT

I'm in total agreement with UMakemesick!!! I'm a political junkie for sure and read and watch everything. My husband is deploying to Iraq on Friday while I'm at home with two small children managing our lives so I have a lot vested in this election. I support Hillary but I COULD also support Barack. The media has totally scewed this race to Obama. That's all you heard last night after the primaries. Obama has the momentum. The longer you get to know him the more people who will vote for him. Nobody ever said Hillary WON!!! Even Chuch said Obama came out slightly ahead on delegates (last I saw delagates included Super Delagates so HILLARY came out ahead...........which seems to only be a small disclaimer of the truth at the end of your paragraph.

The media prefers the Obama camp to the Clintons because they Clintons are more guarded with access. That is because they KNOW what the media can do with the smallest sound bite to turn any success into a failure. I'm very disappointed with the coverage and was especially shocked to see the headline Republicans come together (GIVE ME A F...ING BREAK!!!) while democrats fight. Of course if you read the whole article (which most people will not it might explain that that is just a fight for delagates) but when you read the headline as most will you think...............The Democrats are fighting and the Republicans are united. That couldn't be more from the truth. 71-72% of democrats during the exit polls said they would be happy if their candidate or the other candidate got elected. Some of the biggest Republican pundits (including Rush Limbaugh and Anne Colter have said they will vote for Hillary before they will vote for McCain) so the Republicans are definately a house divided in reality despite what this media outlet chooses to report.

I know all media is big money corporate now and remains irresonsible and biased so THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET to see what is REALLY going on because all you hear and see is bullshit so I'm just glad I can't also smell the media!!!

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Karen Welch — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:26:30 GMT

If you want a totally maniacal power hungry person for president, pick Hillary.

If not, and you want a guy that talks a good game without ever have showing any game, pick Barack.

Either way, you'll end up with a socialist. The only difference is, Hillary will stab her supporters in the back if it benefits her.

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George S. — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:27:59 GMT

Listen Up.
Hillary Clinton won Super Tuesday, period.There is no spin.
She cut the legs right out of, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry,Caroline Kenndy, O. Winfrey, Maria Shiver and all the other Clinton haters and it was done right in thier own backyards.I hope they keep doing it because alot of them are going are going to get a dose of reality and they will lose alot of thier lustre at the same time.Clinton, also had to contend and win, against,all the pundits, on most station and hey know who they are.They have made it a mission to try and destroy Mrs Clinton, to advance Obama.It did not and will not work.Facts are facts.
The so called Big Mo. All momentum will eventually flaten out,reach its peak, and slow down. That life. Still Mrs Clinton keeps rolling along to the next stop.Why people respect what she has and is capable of doing, "not just hoping".
Next,remember Florida and Michigan.Very important large states. What about thier votes and thier counts. Very Critical. The DMC will not and cannot denfrachise these such important states,if they hope to win in the General. So, where will all these delgate go. To he winner of thoes Primarys. Who was that. Mrs Hillary Clinton.To the doubters of this scenio, reflect on Howard Deans DMC Head, recent comments, who stated that the very issue of (Florida and Michigan Delegates)will have to be re examined if and when it may be needed, and of course they can't be forgotten. Therefore read the tea leaves. Clinton is winning the majority of the rich delegats states, that are needed to win the nonimation.
So Super Tueday was not so super for Uncle Ted,(slap in the face)and his show, John Flip Kerry,Winfrey,and others. When Ted Kennedy can't even deliver his own state to his endorsement, this is the beginning of the end.
Lastly, the other losers of the night were all the Obama crazed pundits, who even today, are stll trying to spin thier way out. Suck it up. You will still get to bash Hillary when she becomes President of these UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

First thoughts: A Dem split decision

A.Brocco, Albuquerque,NM — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:28:25 GMT

Kira, sorry that the guy you supported with intelligence, enthusiasm and class has all but disappeared from the contest. That is the bad news...The good news is,Obama is grateful for your future support.

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Kyle, Eastern Texas — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:28:47 GMT

If you want and mean little troll for president, vote for John McCain.

Bonnie Vernal Utah (Sent Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:40 AM)

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It's going to be fun watching Obama or Hillary running on their war record this fall.

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Patrick Casey. Salt Lake City, Ut — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:29:40 GMT

umakemesick. Do not be fooled, it is not that Chuck or anyone else at MSNBC is for Obama. It is that they absolutly hate the Clinton's. I have no doubt that if they are successfull in defeating Hillary as the democratic nominee, they will then turn all their attention to defeating Obama in the general election.

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The Dude — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:29:52 GMT

Just counting the numbers of people who turned out shows that in all but one or two states Democrats turned out 2:1 or even 3:1 over Republicans...in several cases the second place Democrat outpolled the first place Republican. I like those odds for November regardless of whether it's Clinton or Obama.

All this "so and so will only vote for Clinton" or "such and such demographic will only vote for Obama" is bunk...the Democrats, most independents, and a healthy number of Republicans will vote for the Democrats this fall with very, very good reason: taking our country back and restoring honor to the White House. Remember that pledge? We're all just so sick of the ungodly expensive Republican lies. The GOP has crippled our great nation FAR more than any external threats.

Peace in '08, and here's to a future where we work with the rest of the world, spend our money wisely to rebuild our nation, and adopt progessive values in everything from law to the environment to healthcare -- an approach that we should all long remember that Republicans oppose so that they can further indebt us with tax cuts taken from our own future pockets. Now *there's* a tax increase.

First thoughts: A Dem split decision

Bee — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:30:42 GMT

Folks,

You've got to tilt your hat to Obama at this point. Who would have taught Obama will match Clinton toe to toe on Super Tuesday. I know the Clinton machine will probably spin the race to her favor but the reality of the matter is simple, Clinton won in the states that are known to be democratic. She won her home state of NY, what else should she have done. Obama gave her a run for her money in NY and yet she couldn’t win big.

Now let’s talk about CA, MA, NJ, DE, MO and CT; as at 2 weeks ago Clinton was leading in these states by 20 points and above and yet she lost the sate of CT, DE and MO to Obama. Obama pretty much stole the state of CT, MO and Delaware from Clinton’s column. Clinton won CA because of the early vote but Obama dent her win by stealing some of the delegates that should have gone to the Clinton.

Bottom line, Hillary Clinton should be running scare right now. She doesn’t have enough money to go toe to toe with Obama in the next 5 states. Even though Clinton is making Texas and Ohio is firewall, I don’t see how she can win those two states big going by the demographic. Obama will probably do well in Dallas & Houston – and I am pretty sure they will split the Hispanic Vote in these areas. FYI: The Clintons are not popular in TX and her Bush bashing won’t probably help her in that state. Ohio will come down to rural voters and with Edward endorsement, I expect Obama to beat her there.

First thoughts: A Dem split decision

Valerie, Portland, Oregon — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:31:27 GMT

SP - In the same vein, why is it a big deal that Hillary won in NY, CA, and MA - all states that ANY Democrat will win in November? It seems that we HAVE to win in states like Missouri, Iowa, Ohio, etc. where we MUST win Independents and some cross-over Republicans. HILLARY CANNOT DO THIS!! OBAMA CAN!!

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J Rudd — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:32:38 GMT

If McCain wins the nomination, Romney should run as an Independent. From the comments on here, many many people would abandon the GOP just to avoid voting for McCain, even at the cost of electing a Democrat. McCain and Huckabee and their dirty tricks, lies, and bigotry may have defeated Romney's chances of becoming president. If he were to run as an Independent, he could potentially get enough of the votes in the national election to deny McCain-Hucksterbee the presidency and protect the GOP. Come on, let's get this idea rolling!!!!

First thoughts: A Dem split decision

j fl — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:34:45 GMT

Hillary is ahead in the delegates, although not by much. This woman has withstood the attacks from the repubs, swiftboaters, leftwingers and everyone else. It sounds like what her husband was put through- and he was still standing and did very well for this country for 8 yrs. She too is still standing and will continue to prove she has the strength and knowledge and has also paid her dues ten times over. This woman will be our next president, and she deserves it. She has gotten all the big important states for a reason. She will pick up Ohio, Texas, Maryland and Washington and if we have to wait til April, she will win Pennsylvania as well. Possibly add in all or even a portion of Florida, and she will win the nomination. The DNC has said they will not wait until the convention to settle Michigan and floridas delegates.SOME of the biased political pundits have had it wrong much of the time because of their feeling intimidated by the thought of having a woman president.

First thoughts: A Dem split decision

ST, Houston, TX — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:35:25 GMT

I am still shocked by how little recognition Obama has received for closing 20+ gaps in states from just 10 days or so. Yes, he got media coverage while the polls showed that he was closing the gap in the last week likely helped him, but how is it that somehow everyone has focuses almost soley on yesterday's results being a tie? I agree that yesterday's results are results and that there is a good argument to be made that yesterday's results are a tie, but in the context of this race (where Clinton was expected to win on Super Tuesday despite their claims that they "always knew" that the race would tighten up), it seems rather clear that there is another narrative to yesterday's results: the tie a very strong showing for Obama (and therefore, a poor showing for Clinton). If anything, the tie shows Obama's amazing ability to expand his support base because he expanded his base with more white women and Hispanics, while the tie reveals just how much hemoraging Clinton has experienced due to Obama's surge. Again people, we're talking about closing 15-10+ points in 22 states in about 10 days!I have to conclude that her campaign is worried. I mean, her "firewall" support among white women and Hispanics is not as sturdy as it used to be just 10 days ago - you cannot deny that, especially in light of the fact that her lead in places like CA are a bit deceptive due to absentee votes overwhelmingly favoring her. I guess I'm saying the obvious: as people get to know Obama, they gravitate to his campaign rather quickly. How else does the Clinton campaign explain how her leads nationwide disappear so rapidly?

You may not agree, but I'm just trying to stay objective. Yes, they tied yesterday in accumulating delegates (which is what everyone can agree ultimately matters), but I have a hard time understanding how Clinton supporters can objectively conclude that yesteday's results were in their favor (whereas, I can definitely see how Obama supporters can view yesterday's results in their favor). Again, I'm just trying to stay objective.

Anyway,

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Northern Man — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:36:29 GMT

Hey Southern Boy, You sound just like a little boy from the south.

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Chris Penn — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:36:46 GMT

Women,Hispanics and Asians voted for and will vote for Hillary in record numbers in the general election. No repub has a chance against her and they know it.Obama is just another John Kerry. Too wimpy.

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Marbw — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:38:51 GMT

Latinos are with the Clintons due to them being told over and over by the media/Cintons how great Bill was for them during the 90's. Latinos(except Cubans) will never enter the Repub party in significant numbers(especially after Repub-Lou Dobbs daily 'railing' against them. Barack Obama won the Latino vote in his Illinois race. Latinos are Dems. Based on the feelings in the Repub party, it will take a generation for Latinos to ever go there(too hostile to them). This has always been a David(Barack Obama) vs Goliath(Clinton juggernaut based on familiarity).

ps...last note: Dems who support Hillary Clinton keep saying that she has experience. One question--picture this-- MCCAIN VS HILLARY CLINTON...WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK WILL EVENTUALLY WIN THE SO-CALLED EXPERIENCE ARGUMENT? WHICH ONE HAS MORE OF A CROSSOVER APPEAL? WHICH ONE WILL BE VIEWED AS BEING MORE ETHICAL? WHICH ONE HAS A BETTER CHANCE OF UNIFYING THEIR PARTY IF THE OTHER IS THE NOMINEE? WHICH ONE SEEMS TO HAVE CROOSOVER APPEAL IN the other party(state)?
We know the answer to these questions, that is why I cast my vote yesterday for Barack Obama. He can change the argument away from the usual Gop talking point which brought us losses 2000/2004.

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:40:14 GMT

Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA: '...Why do all the people who claim to be so sick of MSNBC keep coming back to post?...'

Paul, we know these are Clinton campaign workers
They just want to snivel to try and see if they can get better coverage for Billary
Maybe MSNBC won't cover any future scandals
According to some commentators....
They gloves are coming off, and Billary is ready to fight (more race baiting ?)

By the way, switching between channels PBS was GREAT
Their coverage had more analysis than CNN (awful) or MSNBC.

Every time I switched to CNN they had brain dead Blitzer on......... NO THANKS

PBS had Shields and Brooks for commentary
They're head and shoulders above most others
MSNBC was best when they gave COMMENTARY and ANALYSIS instead of just numbers

OBAMA '08
Character counts
FEBRUARY IS OURS !!
NO DEBATES, THANKS

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PY,CT — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:40:32 GMT

MSNBC called yesterday "OBAMA wins big in South" !! Common on now.can it be anymore obvious of this channel. HEC won equal or more southern states. But oh well !!! she should have anyways according to BO Newss channel but he wins ID,ND..blah blah are somehow sooooo bog that we will not end up wining them in general....

I have switched to CNN now that my Fav hosts like Chris and Keith are showing very obvious BO bias !!

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RobK, Seattle, Wash. — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:40:39 GMT

Adam in PA; you're an idiot.

CA hasn't gone Republican since Reagan.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:41:53 GMT

Last night was anything but a split decision.
It was a big win for Hillary against a media movement that has become ever increasingly hostile to her.
She won PRIMARIES in BIG STATES with closed voting priviledges.
Obama won CAUCUSES in SMALL STATES that can be manipulated with open participation by independents and Republicans.
Hillary took three states from who's native sons and daughters Obama received huge endorsements.
Massachusetts (Ted Kennedy, and John Kerry), Arizona (Governor Napolitano), and California (Maria Shriver, and Oprah's Hollywood Gang) all wound up in Hillary's column last night, notwithstanding Obama-endorsements from big name celebrities and politicians.
This should end the absurdity which 'Obama-Rama-Ding-Dongs' have been trying to perpetuate, that her electability is an issue.
She proved last night that she IS electable, even when the odds are against her. (Which they won't be in November.)
I hope the good people of Texas, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, Maine, and all the other states who's primaries haven't been held yet were watching last night.
They too will have their moment in the Presidential-Candidate-Nominating-Limelight. They too can make history (and a very wise decision, I might add) by casting their votes for, and appointing their delegates to Hillary Clinton.
Last night was just the beginning. Here's to the restoration of Democracy, peace, prosperity, and above all common sense.
Here's to Hillary Clinton in 2008!

HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!

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Blaine — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:41:57 GMT

Obama can win in Georgia, Colorado, and other Western states. Clinton CANNOT. You folks can keep up with the bias analysis all you want. Hillary's high negatives were evident last night. Barack crushed her in LILY WHITE states. CRUSHED. He beat her in Illinois by twice as much as she beat him in New York. And she was born in Chicago. Better that she lose now and give the Dems a chance rather than take up space and time and get blown away in the fall. Trust Me. I know what I'm talking about.

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Joan Coxs, Warrenton, VA — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:42:03 GMT

Keep going Obama, I am praying for you the last thing this country needs is another Clinton in the white house. No matter what happens this harpy will declare victory this is just one of the many disgusting tactics the Clintons use.

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Anthony, FL — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:45:53 GMT

Bring half the Kennedy compound, the glam and 'favorite things' from mega-millionaire celebrities, bring all the wealthy caramel-macchiato loving yuppies, bring all the biased pundits and you'll secure a slandline victory for Senator Obama.. WRONG!!!

Elections are not about those who are favored by wealthy celebrities.. it's about those who wake up in the middle of the night thinking how are they going to get through the next paycheck.

Hillary '08!

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:49:43 GMT

Kind of funny how The Clinton's are spinning this as their victory, when over half the 24 states wouldn't vote for her. This should be a wakeup call for the Clinton's, you two need to get your game face on, because all you have is your name to get you into the White House.

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Dubbs, San Diego, California — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:53:33 GMT

First of all I have to say that the New York Times article on the MSN political page about the Obama fervor falling short was a nice little hit piece from the paper that is endorsing Hillary.
All of you people arguing about who will win which state come november and basing this on the primary results are a bit delusional. The elections don't work the same and the candidates are different. The media is so focused on race gender and age and examining this under a microscope. These figures are based on exit polling and are as relevent as pre-voting polls. When this is in the general election phase you really have to ask yourself who is going to win?
Obama vs. McCain?
or
Clinton vs. McCain?
those are the only choices ahead of you.
The presidential race is all about the issues and that is what will draw people to the polls. Obama and Hillary really don't differ too much on the issues themselves except for differences in each of their plans.
We must not forget as Americans that we are still in 2 wars in the middle-east. We support the Israeli and Saudi-Arabian militaries and our foreign policy is detested by most countries in the world. Bush's war is our responsibility now. Both democratic candidates have stated that they will set a deadline for withdrawl and that this will be in the next year or so. In order to do this it must be done with regional diplomacy in order to keep the peace. Our racism pales in comparison to the Muslim's slavery of women. Hillary would be ineffective as a peacekeeper in this region. Period. Obama on the otherhand is willing to talk to any leader in order to seek peace and stability. He would be an intelligent and wise negotiator.
Where is Hillary's experience? She says that she is more experienced but has held fewer years as an elected offical than Obama. Being the first lady is NOTHING like being the president. Her years before in the whitehouse either count as experience or they don't. If you believe that they do then you can't ignore the fact that during the Clinton years terrorists attacked the world trade center, an American embassy, and the USS Cole. Clinton's response was a couple of tactical bombings for retaliation.
A majority of Muslim's are convinced that we are at war with Islam. In order to change this we would need to signal to them that we aren't as petty as that. What better symbol than a man with a black muslim father? Someone who would prove to the world that we can look past the racism that has scarred our history for too long. Someone who is willing to negotiate to keep the peace.
If you believe that Hillary is best prepared to deal with the middle-east quagmire you are kidding yourselves. She will be too busy fending off the republicans and thinking about how she is going to get re-elected.
I voted for Obama here in California and I will vote for him again. If Hillary is the candidate I will not vote. I will forever be fed up with the democrtic party and will join the green party.
Hopefully that won't happen.
Me and my Mama are for Obama!

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jane, Sacramento, ca — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:47:46 GMT

Black vote for Obama is based on Race not issue. The support for their race no matter what. While White vote for Obama base on Issue.

This is why Clinton continue to lose. It is unfair I beleive.