Patti Solis Doyle's rise and fall

Ann Upstate NY — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:30:20 GMT

The only reason they kept Solis Doyle was because of the Latino vote in California. If they had fired her before the primary, the Latino community might not have voted for Clinton. It is a game all the candidates play.

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Carol Levens, Scottsdale AZ — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:31:24 GMT

Doyle was Hillary's alter ego? I guess she didn't have one then.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:36:00 GMT

I see major problems where Hillary Clinton is concerned. Her campaign, her husband. Everything seems to have gotten completely out of Senator Clinton's control. What's going on? I guess they weren't banking on Senator Obama being such a threat and for this campaign to be lasting this long.

Not good as we the voters continue to read these stories.

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Steve, san Diego — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:39:54 GMT

Carol L in AZ...thanks for the midday laugh. Good one.

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Jesse, Fallon NV — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:43:28 GMT

HRC created this mess. Instead of lying about the firing, she should have been honest.

I wonder how she will react on Mar 5 when she finally declares her campaign over. Do you think she wonders what life will be like as the junior Senator from NY again?

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Dave, Tn — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:43:42 GMT

Does she have time for a tell all book before the election? Watching the racist sexist democrats battle to sexist racist democrats has been so much fun. That's what happens when you make it about race and gender of character.

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molly — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:45:31 GMT

Not the first campaign shake up and it won't be the last. Had it been Obama's manager it probably would have been spinned by the media as a plus. Go Hillary!

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Trey, Muncie, IN — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:46:06 GMT

This election is about leadership and the choice is clear. Either you pick a Leader in Obama or an opinion poll follower in Mrs. Clinton.

1) On the three biggest votes in her Senate career she voted as a follower not a leader; The Iraq authorization (Didn't even read the security report), No Child Left Behind, and the Iran escalation. This shows a lack of leadership.(Funny enough she has flip-flopped on two of these positions).

2) Mrs. Clinton can't run a campaign on day one, how does she expect to be President? She ignored all the small states on Super Tuesday hoping name recognition would carry her, she overspent in Iowa & New Hampshire (a problem she also had with her Senate campaign), she advertised only in Large states, she left South Carolina before the polls closed and didn't thank her staffers there, She did not organize in the Post Super Tuesday states because she was supposed to win, and then she blamed all of her problems on her campaign Manager: What leadership!!!!!

3) Finally her current campaign slogans were stolen from Obama, saying ‘change’ and calling her supporters a ‘movement’. In fact the only leadership she showed in the race was the first to begin campaigning for President. Everyone points out she won California, New York, & New Jersey, but one of them was her home state, the other a neighboring state, and she had been campaigning in California since 2006.

Simply stated, Mrs. Clinton is no leader, no Margaret Thatcher, no Sandra Day O’Conner, No Eleanor Roosevelt, and is less qualified for the Presidency than Nancy Pelosi.

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Mark Thieme — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:47:05 GMT

"...an arrogance that I think is the key to understanding all that has gone wrong for the Clinton campaign."

check.

South Carolina wiped the smirk off their faces.

Their main First Read Troll left the blog and has disappeared into the mist... that would be freezing mist on the sidewalks of NY.

It is hard enough walking with a tail between your legs without that damned black ice.

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Matt San Francisco, CA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:49:11 GMT

Do we really need to put someone back in the oval office that is this arrogant. She is a focus group manufactured candidate to begin with. If they really understood Obama they would have understood that Hillary needed to show who she was warts and all. She has changed so often in this campaign it is hard to even stand listening to her anymore. The contradictions are staggering. Also, her ability to bring in people that can best perform the task at hand needs to be examined here. Doyle was in place because of loyalty and that brand of chronism (sp?) has not worked out so well in the Bush white house has it. It is time to move beyond this drama and divisive politics. We need to change the language to this post-partisan reality that Obama is offering.

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Joe Barela, Rio Rancho, NM — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:50:56 GMT

The Hispanic base for Clinton has been very loyal, especially here in New Mexico. I guess after February 5th she didn’t need Patti Solis Doyle anymore because California, New Mexico, Arizona and Colorado caucuses and primaries are done. Wait until the word gets out to Texas. There will be hell to pay. Maybe New Mexico’s Super Delegates shouldn’t be too committed to HRC.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:51:08 GMT

Pat, Boston Mass.
Why don't you go over to Ted Kennedy's house, and suck some raw eggs in a dark closet.
Oh, I forgot, you can't.
Too many SKELETONS hiding there!

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kate anderson, iowa city, IA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:51:35 GMT

Leave the Hillary machine alone. It is getting very old and obnoxious and arrogant.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:53:14 GMT

Pat - from that perspective, its a good thing the Democrats have had a competitive race. Had Clinton sailed to an easy nomination, none of these shortcomings would have been realized, until it was too late.

I think competitive nominating races are great. The winner demonstrates an ability to compete well in the general election.

Obama's team has demonstrated that. And conversely, if Clinton goes on to the nomination, it will be because that campaign was able to fix some problems along the way. The winning candidate will owe some gratitude to the other side for helping that campaign prepare.

On the campaign manager shake-up, the timing is odd. It does raise the specter of Clinton's campaign thinking it has Latinos in the bag, and now trying to re-engage African-Americans. I doubt that's the case, but appearances are important. I read this morning that a Latino super delegate fired out a public e-mail expressing his disapproval of the move.

Its also interesting that Clinton brought in the woman accused of removing the files from Vince Foster's office. Clinton had to know that would get people talking. I think it may be intentional - get the conspiracy theorists rehashing that stuff, and then Clinton can fall back into impeachment defense mode, with the idea of rallying Democrats with them.

Nothing like re-inventing the VRWC to get the base back in line.

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California Indy — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:53:53 GMT

Senator Clinton is ready to lead on Day 1. As long as Day 1 is a nice warm sunny weekend day and everyone can relax by the pool. If there are any problems, that claim goes up in smoke. What we've seen the past month has been a disaster and is certainly not what I'd want to see from my President.

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Anthony, Ocenaside, Ca — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:54:31 GMT

Boy Hillary has really upset the Latinos read the below question is who's next, The American People? Hillary will do whatever for a vote now she wants a African American, what a joke she is. Vote for no more bagge Ohio & Texas.

February 12, 2008 -- A prominent member of the national Democratic Party has circulated a sharp e-mail saying the removal of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle was disloyal to Hispanics and should give "pause" to superdelegates and voters.

The e-mail from, Steven Ybarra, a California superdelegate who heads the voting-rights committee of the DNC Hispanic Caucus, was sent to fellow caucus members in the hours after word broke that Solis Doyle - the most prominent Latina in Clinton's campaign - would be replaced by another close Clinton loyalist, Maggie Williams, who is black.

The e-mail noted that Clinton, who is looking to Latino voters for a boost in the Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4, scored heavily with Hispanics in her California win.

"Apparently, loyalty is not a two-way street," he wrote. "Latino superdelegates like myself . . . will have cause to pause."

Ybarra told The Post yesterday that the loss of Solis Doyle, a child of Mexican immigrants, just weeks before the Texas primary, where 36 percent of the population is Hispanic, was "dumb as a stump."

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ya know — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:55:01 GMT

hmmmm... replace a latino with an African American going into VA, DC and MD... is that just a coincidence?

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That bites, Keller, Texas — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:57:44 GMT

Hillary wont need the Hispanics in Texas cause she has just about every repub I know voting for her in the democratic primary....so they can have the candidate they want to run against.

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Monica L. -DC — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:57:55 GMT

J. Merle, Don't be a sore loser.

Kate anderson, You're right, the Hillary machine is "getting old and obnoxious and arrogant". But then it always has been.

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S. Ruff — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:59:12 GMT

This really does go to Senator Clinton's weakness. She chose a woman who was her scheduler as her Campaign Manager. The woman who kept her datebook. She chose her because she was loyal, not because she was qualified. Doesn't this remind you of George Bush and his many appointments like "Brownie" to FEMA? The Clinton's trust almost no one. Who is she going to trust to run the government agencies?

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evie — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:59:36 GMT

"No one could have predicted Barack Obama’s sudden rise, though the Clinton campaign was slower to recognize it than most."

Talk about arrogance.

DC insiders, be them journalists or pols, missed the Obama phenomena because of a combination of cynicism and a lack of attention. Go back and look at your records from 2004 and 2006. How many Senatorial & Gubernatorial campaigns - esp tight campaigns in purple/red states -- did Obama campaign in during last weeks of those elections and how many did Clinton campaign in? Politicians were begging Obama to bring his political magic to their campaigns. And who knows? He might even have helped put a few candidates over the top. Look at the number of people who came up to him during campaign rallies for OTHER PEOPLE telling him to run for the presidency. DC insiders didn't believe what they were seeing with their own eyes. It wasn't only Clinton that expected her to be inevitable -- you all did as well. But those of us who saw Obama up close early on knew this run was possible.

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Joe, Atlanta, GA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:02:05 GMT

Without knowing the behind the scenes info it's hard to know if this was a good move or not. But on the surface it seems like poor timing to jettison "the first latino to run a presidential campaign" when you have Obama steamrolling across east-west-north-south of America winning race after race with a must win in latino heavy Texas the only thing (along with Ohio) in Obama's way from nailing this thing shut. Plus you add to that momentum the learning curve of Obama's campaign and I think he is going to mute the Clinton advantage among latinos and may make whatever margin of victory that Clinton gets in Texas insignificant. Clinton is going to go a whole month in between victories and is raising money at a 50% disadvantage to Obama. I think by mid-March I think the attrition is going to wear her campaign out.

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Matt San Francisco, CA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:02:30 GMT

"This suggests to me that for all the emphasis Clinton has placed on executive leadership in this campaign, her own approach is a lot closer to the current president?s than her supporters might like to admit."

Enough said.... Obama 08

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Lucieann Hope, Port St. Lucie, FL — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:02:45 GMT

Just saw on MSNBC how a Latino superdelegate and some others are not very happy that Solis-Doyle was removed from her former duty has campaign manager....that could bode quite well for Obama.....

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Liz brown — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:10:16 GMT

to all of the people who stated there will be a backlash in the hispanic community from the firing of Patti Dolyes, you obviously think the hispanic community lacks intelligence. The results over the weekend and most likely today clearly indicates a change was needed. Let's go Texas - Let's help our girl get back on track!!!!!

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Todd, Wheaton, IL — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:10:24 GMT

I thought this paragraph was the crux of the piece:

"Rather than punish Solis Doyle or raise questions about her fitness to lead, Clinton chose her to manage the presidential campaign for reasons that should now be obvious: above all, Clinton prizes loyalty and discipline, and Solis Doyle demonstrated both traits, if little else. This suggests to me that for all the emphasis Clinton has placed on executive leadership in this campaign, her own approach is a lot closer to [George W. Bush’s] than her supporters might like to admit."

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Nicholas, MN — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:11:03 GMT

Mark Murray, you are right, this was an interesting article with the one caviet that Josh Green might be a tad bitter, but the facts and information is there.

"As much as Clinton touts her own “executive experience” and judgment, she made Solis Doyle her campaign manager because of Solis Doyle’s loyalty [and discipline], rather than her skill, despite a trail of available evidence suggesting she was unsuited for the role."
and
"This suggests to me that for all the emphasis Clinton has placed on executive leadership in this campaign, her own approach is a lot closer to the current president’s than her supporters might like to admit."
--I love it, because it's true. It is the exact impression I had gotten of her campaign, and one of the many impressions that worries me about her potential administration.

i.m.r.

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American Citizen — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:13:45 GMT

If the media could get the story straight, maybe the peanut gallery would know what they are talking about.
Don’t think that many of the writers haven’t their own bent.
The idea is to focus on the issues, and not the soap opera...nuts.

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linda — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:14:41 GMT

Give the woman a break. Obama says lots of good things but there are no real facts there. Lots of turkey but no stuffin.

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Dave, Chevy Chase MD — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:14:47 GMT

These comments attacking Hillary are no less than toxic. You have no concept of the term civil debate and represent a regression in American politics and society in general. Why don't you actually discuss and/or criticize the plan, instead of her. Perhaps you will find that she is working to improve our country and deserves praise for subjecting herself to the vitriol of anonymous commentators such as yourself.

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some one with a morsel of maturity — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:15:45 GMT

You people are so pathetic. You just listen to your own drivel from one another and fool yourself into believing it's the truth. It is disgusting what passes for journalism these days. You make up snide comments and then suddenly they become facts. Why would you believe this guy that says she got fired? Where's his proof? Just because he says it, it's true? Give me a break. If this is Obama's base, I'm frightened. This is the kind of attitudes that drive a movement like Nazism and Facism. "Our guy is right and everyone else is evil!" Let's try looking at both these candidates as human beings. Let's try making a decision based on qualifications and policies, not a bunch of back stabbing and character assasination. My guess is not a one of you making these comments have ever spent one minute in a room with Hillary or Bill Clinton. Where do you get off making all these judgments about people you really and truly know nothing about. You only know the biased and oppinionated garbage you read on blogs like this. Bash Bill all you want. My guess is 80% of you posting on this blog have slept with somebody you shouldn't have, told lies, cheated on your taxes, made racist or sexist remarks, told ethnic jokes. Because you sure seem to be able to dish it out toward Senator Clinton. And, yes, she deserves to be addressed as Senator Clinton. Try to behave like Americans and not a bunch of riled up frat rats.

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Dong, LA, CA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:19:17 GMT

Obama is simply a black version of Howard Dean. If Dean had black votes, he would defeat John Kerry 4 years ago and would have the same national movement as Obama has. After 4 years, we now know what Dean is really made of. Obama fans will soon realize that Obama is simply a talker and a liberal.

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Kevin — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:19:27 GMT

Why does Hillary insist on delaying the inevitable? She's a sour scary old lady with nothing new or convincing to say. Republicans love to hate her, Independents love to move against her, and Democrats love dramatic change.

Here's an idea...I think we need to have Barack Obama be our first black president and then Michelle Obama can be our first woman "former-first-lady" president (in 'bout 9 years from now of course)!

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TL — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:20:09 GMT

Hillary isn't honest in her own life, look at her marriage and her belief in the past. Come on the worst we can find on Barack is that he might not have used drugs as much as a full blown addict. I like honesty vs the machine she believes in, I didn't inhale, I did not have sexual relations, Clintons turned the economy around (it was the wave of tech stocks), my campaign leader stepped down (how about I fired her after I got CA and NM), Hillary I am doing fine financially (thank God I have 5 mill to loan my campaign) 5 million wow no wonder why you don't mind taking health insurance premiums out of the people's paycheck.... not everyone has 5 mill in their bank account... oh yea what about White Water.... maybe the 5 mil came from that. CLINTON MOVE OVER.

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Mark Thieme — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:26:21 GMT

In Texas today. Latinos/as pissed at the Clintons big time.

Washington folks don't get the Latino demographic. Latinos are looking for a candidate who won't leave them when the dust settles.

They (as a political demographic) do have a long, clear, memory.

Even with the expected huge (and cynical) republican turnout for Clintons... the tide is turning. Fast.

BTW, check my post of last weekend that predicted major news out of the Hillary camp. This was it... sooner by a day than expected, but this has been brewing since SC.

muy malo

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Pamela, Detroit, MI — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:27:35 GMT

Let's look at the Clinton's and see how often they were right on day one: Whitewater, Vince Foster, Iraq vote, No Child Left Behind, Monica L. et al, Patti Solis Doyle, Big State Strategy.....Hmmmm. All superdelegates are probably pledging to her now to avoid the backlash machine that is the Clinton's. Hopefully, they will jump ship at the last minute and reflect the will of the people they are suppose to serve.

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loris bay — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:35:22 GMT

The strategy:
Hire an African American, get her picture in all the news cycles, then call and ask the National Council of Negro Women to host a small group discussion on yesterday in washington, and let the press get that into the news cycle and this sums up their strategy to get the African American vote today. The Hillary campaign is insulting both the African American and Latino voters.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:38:56 GMT

Pat, Boston, MA (Sent Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:36 PM)

Hey Pat. Saw your post above. It does certainly look like a Clinton campaign implosion does it not?

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Anthony Howell, Washington, D.C. — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:39:45 GMT

Hillary is no Bill Clinton. While she thinks that she has what it takes to be president, She is far from being able to assume the role of "Commander and Chief" of the Armed Forces. She might be doing a good job as the U.S. Senator from Arkansas (oops I meant New York with Arkansas being the state she couldn't afford to return to once her husband left office)which means that her resume does not qualify or quantify her to be President. Go Obama!

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CJ — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:48:11 GMT

Just another example of insider favoritism and political spoils expected from many of Clinton's "support" once she was supposed to become president. Clinton is more of the same.

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Nathaniel Smith, Bridgetown,Barbados — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:49:59 GMT

Hilary Clinton's campaign woes including financial shortcomings is one indicator of her(lack of!) experience. Obama's display on the other hand is telling us what he can accomplish when he is President with access to the best intellect, and the resources of America!

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David, Los Angeles, CA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:53:07 GMT

I'm so tired of people saying that Obama doesn't have a detailed plan like Hillary does. Don't they realize that great leaders inspire those around them to do great things? Hillary is a micro manager and will try to everything herself instead of motivating all lawmakers to make significant changes that are necessary to move this country forward. Look back to the great leaders of the past who accomplished great things and you'll see they didn't walk through a detailed "to do" list. Think bigger Hillary!! You'd make a good assistant but you'll never inspire us.

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John Nettles ,Ridgecrest,Ca. — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:54:01 GMT

Looks like Mrs. Clinton voted wrong on the Iraq war,looks like she has voted wrong again,this lady has very poor judgment.

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mkb, Vienna, VA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:55:49 GMT

I'm an Obama supporter but I think that some of these comments are a bit too cynical.. I think that Hillary has a genuine rapport with the National Council of Negro Women built up over years of interaction. Yes, I hope that Obama wins the nomination but I do believe that Hillary deserves our respect, and if she wins the nomination, our support.

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Lynn — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:57:13 GMT

Wow. That article is tough to read. Hillary Clinton's loyalty to apparently incompetent people (in important positions) does sound an awful lot like Bush's. Does this mean Solis-Doyle and Williams will be placed in important positions in the Hillary Clinton administration, even if they're not qualified to handle them? Ouch.

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Naresh — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:00:58 GMT

Why hasn't America come to terms that the country needs someone who is a motivator! Obama is that person!

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Gary Schear, bozeman Montana — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:05:23 GMT

Lets give Senator Clinton a break here. Losing is a perfectly good reason to change Campaign Managers and both of these women are capable operatives that have been around her for years. The majority of casual voters with normal lives (that would be no one that posts here regularly :) will have no idea who is who and when they came or went.

GObama!

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Bob Korschgen, Chicago, IL — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:07:15 GMT

I am a midwest conservative and I can tell you that we Republicans are concerned about the death knell that is so obvious in the Clinton camp. We are akin to Mickey in Rocky 3, with Obama like Clubber Lang and McCain playing Rocky Balboa ("He'll murder ya ta death inside a three rounds"). We really want a punch drunk club fighter (Hillary) for the Italian Stallion to go against to cap his illustrious political career. Please tell me the Clinton machine isn't going to "blow it" (no pun intended). Even though we know Obama has absolutely NO meassage besides "change", this guy scares us because he has so many blind naive followers!

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STAVY, Philly — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:07:25 GMT

This is all politics and Hilary is trying to win. As an Obama supporter I don't see anything wrong with her moves. She has to try and get back some of the black votes she once had, and she already got the Latino vote. I hope Obama will make strides to get the Latino vote as well. Its politics, the Latinos cannot take it personal. I sure hope Obama gets the nomination, but if Hilary does I will still vote for her in November, and I am African Amaerican. No hard feelings in politics.

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STAVY, Philly — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:08:19 GMT

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Tom, Burke, VA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:12:28 GMT

The only true test to determine who is ready to be President is how he/she organizes and runs the campaign. How the campaign handles the pressures of the media, deals with a crises internal and external, raises money, hires and leads good staff, reacts to mistakes, and this year controls the spouses and surragates is part of the test.

Based on this test:
McCain: B
Clinton: C-
Obama: A+

Obama is ready now.

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Jim Hunter, East Wenatchee, WA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:17:05 GMT

As a former dem, it's good to see my former mates recognizing the Clintons for their arrogant, cynical and manipulative ways. I'm one republican who's not rooting for Hillary, because I'd enjoy a national debate between Obama and McCain. A real choice on real issues, and frankly the country will benefit with either as winner.

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Pacheck, Huntington Beach, Ca. — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:17:43 GMT

Unless they caught her with her pockets full of stolen swag, they should have left her right where she was. How bad does it look getting clipped just before the election.

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Kimster, TN — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:19:50 GMT

What insight and pleasantries we share on this miserable cold nasty day in February.

considering all that has happened in both the Obama and clinton campaigns... it looks as though the real person of leadership is motivating the most people, which is what leadership is about. Leader cast vision... managers make changes to reach the vision.
You decide who fits which description.

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Sean — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:25:07 GMT

"It's time to put this corrupt and integrity void family behind us." Adam/NYC (Sent Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:41 PM)

Hey Adam, Guess, the Kennedy's and loser Kerry are a family full of Integrity. I did not realize that Drunkness, rape charges, Driving off into the lake and getting people killed are values of integrity.

i am a moderate Republican and am enjoying the show that the Dems are putting on. In 2004 we had 'Dumb and Dumber' now we have 'Dumb and Dumberer' Keep up the screw up...I mean good work and McCain will win. I hope Osama...I Mean Obama wins the nomination. He will be a pushover for the Republican machine. Clintons would have been a tougher fight. So right now McCain is smiling with glee.

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TK, Washington state — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:27:12 GMT

Hillary is far too "What have you done for me lately?" and always trying to be one step ahead of the polls. If she had convictions and stuck with them (caveat: unlike the current administration, she'd have to use some common sense) I would have more respect for her as a leader and as a person. But her sloppy overspending and constant course-changing make me certain that she is not equipped to be our next president. And I want a woman to be president! I have dreamed of seeing that since I was a child. But Hillary Clinton is just not the right woman for that job.

That's why I support Obama in '08! He has common sense, integrity, sound judgement, good foresight, and it is also important to note his ability to inspire people and bring them together.

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SavvyDoc Chicago, IL — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:32:56 GMT

Wow. I encourage everyone to read the full article. It almost feels like Josh Green is actually holding back in his assessment of the Clinton campaign, which is hard to believe considering...

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juan — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:33:10 GMT

Maybe the Hispanics shouln't have fallen for the oke doke....I saw this one coming from 2 miles away...

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VI WI — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:35:54 GMT

Anthony, Ocean Calif, you are right on the money. Wonder what percentage of Mexican votes Hillary will get in Texas and Ohio? She is making some harmful moves for herself.

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JB, Raleigh, NC — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:36:36 GMT

Clinton's still don't believe the law and rules apply to them as well. The DNC took the delegate away from Florida and Michigan for moving their primaries up and now that Hillary won both states she wants them back. If Obama had won them she would be satisfied to leave them gone. When are the Dems who accuse the Republicans of everything going to open their eyes toe these people. The old scandals, lies etc of the Clintons. It took less time to take Baghdad then it took her to find the Rose billing records that were in the White House. Even a blind squirrel can find an acorn.

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Juan Cortinas — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:38:15 GMT

As a American of Mexican ancestory, I often wonder what the Clintons have ever done for the Hispanic, Latino or Chicano communities. This most recent dismissive attitude towards Solis is glimpse of what you can expect when you become moot in her scheme of things to come. Can't seem to trust a women who didn't have the moral character to do the right thing when Bill was having his way with his true love and her constant lying about events. Mini-Bush is how I see her. Obama might not be ready on day one, but at this point a fresh perspective is what we need, not the same ole' politician. Another thing I always wonder is, when Hillary claims to have 35 years experience, I often wonder doing what? Wife, Mother, First Lady, Lawyer, failed business women.....

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David los aneles,california — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:49:09 GMT

Yes trey she is quite transparent and now the clintons have moved into panic mode by playing black vs whites to save their campaign.The only group that seems to be buying it are latinos.But my latino brothers and sisters are beginning to see through her as well.

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FJ, Philadelphia PA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:56:51 GMT

Democrats are lucky to have Obama. Hillary's camp is a mess. First they lost the black vote and now they are in jeopordy of losing the hispanic vote. The republicans would have crushed her. Good thing the failings of her campaign are getting exposed now instead of in the general. Thank goodness for Obamas disciplined campagn; we will need it in the general.

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Ted, Grand Rapids, Michigan — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:01:22 GMT

What if the change was intended to stir-up resentment of blacks by latinos, betting that HRC's rationale is more forgivable than BHO blackness? Just a thought given how calculating these elections can be.

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John Doe — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:02:02 GMT

For everyones information......Doyle is not leaving the campaign. She will personally be traveling with Hillary on her campaign stops as Hillary's Senior Campaign Advisor.. Doyle asked for that position.
Now let's get back to all the Obama followers of whom, not even one could say what Obama had ever done in the senate. Very strange when you think we're electing the President of the United Sates of America. Who are these people? This is not a "who gives the best dream speech" contest. You better be thinking about the security of our country!

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LeeElizabeth, Norfolk, Va — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:13:27 GMT

Might it be possible that Doyle was not the best candidate to energize Hill's slumping campaign regardless of her ethnicity, silly me, I thought she was an American. I am by no mean's pro-Hillary or Obama but I think it is important to focus more on the issues versus their gender or ethnicity.
Bill came to Va and talked about forgiving student loans for Teachers.... how can you not support a candidate that wants that type of education compensation?

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Sharon, Iowa — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:30:01 GMT

Sources here in Iowa, namely NBC affiliate WHO TV, Channel 13, report that invoices are not being paid by the Clinton's after repeated requests for payment and promises to pay for services prior to and during the caucuses. It has also been reported by the national media that the former "campaign manager" was "let go" because she spent too much money in Iowa where she finished THIRD. Hillary will be outdone by her own ambitions, and will have no one to blame but herself.

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FJ, Philadelphia PA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:44:45 GMT

Is this is the camp we want to put up against the GOP. What incompetance. The so called "Clinton Machine" is a big fat fairytale.

If you really think about it the Clintons never really won a tough general election. Clinton won his first term because of Ross Perot and his second term was won against Bob Dole, Bob Dole, HaHaHa!!!

You people better be happy that the incompetance got exposed now, instead of in the general.

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Bill Johnson, Anaconda, Montana — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:50:03 GMT

You can feel it in the air. Spring is almost here and this primary campaign is just about over.

Tonight victory will continue its bloom for Obama, and the harsh weather of the past will continue to recede.

Obama's supporters will continue to provide the seed money we need for a bountiful harvest.

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Dee Cunningham, Cohutta Ga — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:58:19 GMT

Hillary will make the best President! I am sick of Obama's hype and all `the 'Free Publicity that the Media has bestowed on him. Where is the substance of his strategy for change. All I here is "Yes we can" and Change. I have yet to hear how he will make change other than generalities. He is a cheerleader taking advantage of people's frustration with the current Administration.
I will vote Republican before I vote Obama, and I have heard many say the same.
GO HILLARY It's not over yet!!!

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Starter, San Diego ,CA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:58:26 GMT

Obama rocks. Clinton will be business as usual. The corporations and pacs that are supporting her do not want change. If Solis Doyle really was a personal assistant and not the grand strategist firing her in order to hire an African American for the Potomac primaries was a despicable act.

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Mark Thieme — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:05:04 GMT

Better blind and naive...

than deaf and dumb.

Haven't been naive for about 40 years, but blind... I'll cop to being farsighted.

Here's to all our blind and naive countrymen and women who know the difference between a rock and a hard place.

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Cliffie4 — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:19:58 GMT

Hillary Clinton is the best candidate to lead this country for the next four years, regardless of who is or isn't managing her campaign.

Different candidates have different qualities and strengths, I'm sure. Senator McCain is a patriot and experienced public servant. Senator Obama is intelligent, inspiring, and popular - with good reason.

But what Americans have to decide is which candidate has the leadership qualities that America needs in a president at this particular juncture. Our country is in crisis- the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, the recession, a broken healthcare system, and our tarnished reputation in the world are significant problems that must be solved now. With that in mind, we need a president who understands these issues and who is BEST qualified to deal with them. McCain wants us to remain in Iraq indefinitely and knows little about economics. Obama has only two years of experience at the national level and does not have the maturity or the political acumen of Senator Clinton.

Millions of children are insured because of Clinton's work with the S chip program; the Vital Voices program she founded with former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright was a catalyst in the Irish peace process and continues to provide innovative approaches to problem solving at home and abroad; Clinton has spent years on the Armed Services Committee; and she presented the first, most comprehensive, and best recieved economic stimulus package of all the candidates.

She has shown herself to be a leader with fresh ideas rather than a follower. Witness her stimulus package (Remember Obama playing catch-up when he presented a much less detailed plan three days after Clinton presented hers? )She is also the candidate who led the first charge for changing our health care system, when even Mentioning universal healthcare was unpopular. And Clinton was the first candidate to say she would stop giving tax breaks to American companies that shipped jobs overseas, yet another example of how she leads rather than follows.

Senator Clinton has the experience, maturity, intelligence, work ethic, and record we should want in the next president. McCain and Obama certainly have good qualities and impressive skills, but theirs are not the particular qualities and skills needed to solve America's most Pressing problems in the next four years. Clinton is the most qualified person to be president for the next four years. Her skills, not theirs, are the ones best suited to pulling us out of the mire the Republicans put us in.

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A. Saenz, Laredo,TX — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:20:57 GMT

The Repubs WANT you to think they want Clinton, but the easier prey would be Obama. Notice just how very glowing Kristol's remarks read for Obama. If the media thought Bill was tough on thin-skinned Barackito, wait till the Rove and Atwater types get hold of him. Perhaps McCain will realize his obsession. We'll never learn.

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Ron Allen — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:26:02 GMT

She will trust bin Laden and the Mullas of theTaliban to run her government agencies. Seriously though, presidents need to stop rewarding loyalty with loyalty and favor with favor. They have to reward hard work with a job that best suits that hard worker. Otherwise the president is presiding over a government by corruption ruled by crooks. That is what happened to Bush, especially that he tried to stuff federal courts with conservatives so freakin out of touch with realities and caring more about their ideologies than the needs of the public (except a minority of hard core hypocritical conservatives).

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jacksmith, NO, LA. — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:28:47 GMT

Bottom Line:

It looks like you got some vote fraud hanky-panky, and selling of votes going on in the democratic caucuses. Obama seems to be doing disproportionately well in the caucuses where it is easier to commit vote fraud, and sell votes. Obama has not been doing as well in the non caucus primary's where you can't cheat the vote as easily.

I smell a pole cat. I smell the Karl Rove vote fraud machine at work. This looks like past presidential elections where most voters leaving the poles said they voted for the other guy. But Bush still won. No wonder Obama thinks the republicans have some good ideas. Apparently a lot of republicans are voting for Obama in the democratic caucuses.

The insurance companies, and medical industry that have been ripping you off, and killing you are determined to keep you, the American people from having good universal health care. So it seems they are supporting Obama. Along with the republican vote fraud machine.

This looks like a great story for a team of aggressive investigative reporters. Or maybe some good documentary film makers like Michael Moore, or Oliver Stone.

If I were the Clinton's, I would focus like a laser bean on what has been going on in the democratic caucuses. No wonder the Republicans like Obama so much. Looks like he's their man in the democratic caucuses. http://prorev.com/2008/02/in-search-of-obama.html

I'm absolutely convinced now that Hillary Clinton is your best choice for good universal health care coverage. And HR 676 (Medicare For All). "Single payer, Tax Supported, Not For Profit, True Universal Health Care" free for all as a right. Like every other developed country in the world has. See: http://www.house.gov/conyers/news_hr676.htm

"HR 676:
For church goers: less money to insur. companies and more to the church- lots more.
Srs on Medicare: save way over $100/wk. Because no more medigap, long term care & dental insur. needed. No more drug bills."

They really think you are all stupid, inattentive cash cows... It may be time to bring back Bad Bill, Good Bill.

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the truth — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:51:11 GMT

if someone believes that mccain can knock obama out in three rounds then we need not concern ourselves with the thoughts and knowledege of that individual. either democratic candidate will beat mccain. just ask the obamacans. lol

go obama

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LEAH JUST VISITIN ALA — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:52:55 GMT

sHE CHOSE PATTY SOLIS DOYLE BECAUSE SHE WAS HISPANIC!! NOW OBAMA IS STEALING AWAY THE BLACK VOTE(WHICH THE CLINTONS BELIEVED WAS IN THE BAG) SO SHE TOSSED OUT SOLIS AND GOT A BLACK WOMAN!! NOT THAT HARD TO FIGURE OUT- ALSO SOLIS DOYLE WAS HER APPOINTMENT SCHEDULER!! WHAT WAS SHE DOING RUNNING HER PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, OH YEAH SHE WAS HISPANIC

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Anna, Cedar Park, Texas — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:30:39 GMT

Oh give it up Clinton supporters, You dont trust her, We dont trust her as Obama supporters, and We cant trust her as Americans. Barack Obama may be the only hope we have to leave our children a country worth living in. Barack Obama plans to do something with his hope. In all your experience, Hillary, what have you signed and stood behind?? Hmmm I cant think of one thing since 1980 and I cant even remember that personally. In an age of internet, we dont take your word, because we can look online and find your voting record. Try to fool someone else. I am a woman, I am Latina, I am a Texan, and most of all I am American. Im 100% for Obama, our only hope for a United America

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T. Gonzales, Rancho Cucamonga, CA — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:59:36 GMT

I am not shocked at these recent occurrences. I felt all along that Hillary Clinton would do whatever necessary to get the votes of Latinos and women including that fake crying spell she did in the coffee house a few weeks before Super Tuesday. That woman is pathetic!

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SAL NYC — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 06:33:17 GMT

Why Billary's Campaign manager Solis Doyle had to go!

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1) She was infamous among her colleagues for referring to herself as
“the queen bee” .

2) Her habit of watching daytime soap operas in her office.

3) Did not return calls to donors and outside advisers.

4) The campaign had hemorrhaged money, which Solis Doyle had managed to
conceal.

5) She’d been placed in charge of the campaign’s relationship with John
Kerry and hoped to get an
endorsement, but he’d chosen to back Obama.

6) Solis Doyle, as (Senate) campaign manager, had burned through more
than $30 million.

7) She’d been dispatched to Iowa to oversee operations in the final
weeks before the caucuses, and Clinton still finished third

8) Solis Doyle has developed a reputation for mucking around in the
weeds, insisting upon signing off on even low-level decisions, such as
where to hold a minor event and whether bagels or donuts should be
served. (That's not a hypothetical.)

9) Solis Doyle is a toxic blend of insecurity (about her abilities) and
arrogance (about her proximity to the boss).

10) Behaves like a Mexican house cleaner on Fiesta and the home owner
is out of town..........

Read the facts here.......

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200802u/patti-solis-doyle
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=75e41edb-784d-4f9a-ba6e-08cab93d09ae

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Isa Garcia, East Los Angeles, California — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:09:27 GMT

I really wish people weren't so against women as leaders enough to vote for a black man to ensure she does not succeed. You know what I mean.