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jaycee, Ventura, California — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:30:48 GMT

Amazing. Mark Penn, political navigator extraordinaire, has already managed to find us the off-ramp for the road to ruin. If you want to kill a promising future in its infancy, rip the Democratic Party to shreds, and win an utterly worthless nomination all in one fell swoop, then by all means follow Mark’s roadmap. Now that a clean numerical win among primary voters looks unlikely for Hillary, her campaign appears intent on staying close enough behind to steal a win at the convention by gaming the superdelegates or seating delegates from the non-contests in Florida and Michigan. This has to be the sorriest, most self-destructive excuse for political strategy since Ralph Nader ran on the Party for the Strategically Impaired ticket in 2000. Don’t even think about it.

The super-duper-delegate business became part of the process in 1984, but the case for it was made in large part by pointing to the Democratic train wreck in 1972. Back in the olden days party insiders controlled the nominating process and the eventual nominee was often not the winner of the primaries. In 1972 the Democratic convention fractured along lines of movement activists demanding a fully democratic process and the old guard trying to maintain control with their establishment candidate. The result was utter chaos, with competing delegations fighting to be seated and all if it on public display. The reformers triumphed and George McGovern became the nominee.

George was a good guy but proved to be a terrible candidate. I was a precinct captain in 1972 in a blue-collar Democratic stronghold in Minneapolis. It should have been a cakewalk. Instead I spent hour after hour sitting in living rooms across from worried and anxious faces, trying to reassure loyal Democrats that their party had not completely fallen apart in a time of war. We lost every single state that year to Richard Nixon except Massachusetts and the District of Columbia; a landslide of historic proportions.

The superdelegates were put in place as a brake on ordinary voters should they abandon all reason and try to choose another nominee who cannot possibly win the general election. Wiser heads would prevail as a last resort, we were told. That is clearly not the case in this election. Both candidates are viable in the general election and there is no justification whatever for superdelegates to do anything but ratify the decision of the primary voters. Superdelegates are not supposed to be ordinary voters times ten thousand, acting out of personal loyalties or their own vision of what is best for the party.

If you want to argue that the voters of two states have been disenfranchised by their own elected officials, that’s fine. They will have to find a way to pay for new elections with both sides competing on an equal footing. To try and seat delegates selected in a non-contest is just obviously not fair and it simply will not fly. What, we’re going to tell millions of newly energized voters, the future of our party, that we can just change the rules in the middle of the game? Sorry, even though you thought you won, now you’ll have to go over here and support this person that you intensely dislike because party insiders know best. Gee, what could possibly go wrong with a wonderful plan like that?

Those huge crowds roaring for Barack Obama will be screaming for Hillary’s head at the convention. Her coalition of older liberal white women, older Latinos, and the working poor won’t match up very well against the entire rest of the country. Should this convention dissolve in chaos as we did in 1972, you can forget about your tough choice between the first woman or the first African American president, because we will have neither. If we go into the convention without a clear winner in the primaries then heaven help us. It looks like those of you who live in primary states that haven’t voted yet are going to have to save us from ourselves, because the Clinton campaign seems determined to take us all down with them if they’re going down. We will need a clear, unambiguous win in both pledged delegates and the popular vote to come out of this thing in one piece. If you have anything left, now is the time. Feed the fire. Yes we can!

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Ray — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:35:10 GMT

Been saying this for months, we don't know how obama will react when he is really tested which clinton nor the media has done...right now he gets a free ride because he is new and black...it won't last

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Chuck, NY — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:35:29 GMT

I don’t think Senator Obama, until the votes in Wisconsin and Hawaii on Tuesday are over, should engage HRC. Let her exhaust herself out, and keep building up negativity. Then come out blazing right around and including the debate on FEB 26. She needs to be eliminated from this race on MAR 4 if at all possible. Advertise, mobilize ground forces, be as Presidential as possible, and address each and every concern head on. He often makes the point if he can take on the Clinton machine, he can withstand the GOP attacks in the fall. Well, now is the time to prove it. Under no circumstances should he allow her to get back in this race. I think there is plenty of time to either tie or win Texas and Ohio. Find a way to back her into a corner, and to increase her negativity.

I have tried very hard to see what HRC claims. Her speeches and talking points are no more specific than any other candidate. He needs to counter punch all of her talking points. He needs to expand once again his ‘hope’ theme like he did in Madison on Tuesday night. Those few sentences on hope were the best yet, and really hit home to undecided voters. But still, she and McCain just don’t get it and probably never will. This week’s statements by Senator Obama that if you want the past 7 years to keep on going, then by all means vote for Billary or McCain. All of the pundits and news types have pointedly noticed that every catch phrase attempt to get some traction by the Billary campaign has failed, and I suspect we will see some counterpunching soon on her newest ‘solutions’ game plan.

What I find so exhilarating about Senator Obama is his astute intelligence of what we all need to accomplish, and what the political landscape in Washington is truly these days. Plain and simple her solutions will never, ever get passed. The GOP will use every trick and stalling tactic in the book to derail her agenda. Doesn’t anyone listen at HRC headquarters? She cannot be elected. She will do more damage to the DEM party if she stays in this race. We DEM’s will never forgive Bill & her for the party’s demise once again.

The GOP and Karl Rove only want one thing, everlasting political power.

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Jesee, Fallon NV — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:35:55 GMT

Making "offers" you can't keep, doesn't put food on the table either Billary. All you do is offer, offer, offer. Like your offering universal healthcare with mandatory payments. Yeah right, like that is ever going to pass!

You have no specifics! All you do is energize the GOP and bring down the rest of the DEM field.

Go home and try to figure out how you will serve out your term as the junior senator form NY.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:36:48 GMT

I would like to send a thank you to Keith Olbermann for his special comment last night. I have often thought over the past year and a half that Keith was probably wasting his time, using his eloquence in trying to wake us all up as to just how despicable the Bush Administration has become. How despicable the right wing in general has become, including Fox News.

I don't think that way any longer. Everything Keith has brought to the forefront has been dead on. But what's important about this is that not only is the country responding, but Congress is as well. Finally.

Thank you Keith. You are connecting. The country is awake. We are picking up your torch and carrying it all the way to November. Democrats and Republicans alike. We have all been exploited by a fascist Administration.

To Republican voters: I’d like to echo what many here have asked - Please help us out. You have your candidate in place. Think about voting for Barack Obama in your primary. No more Bush/Clinton.

Let us unify as Americans and save our country for the next generation. We owe them that.

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Former Democrat, California — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:37:16 GMT

To Chuck Todd and the Obama/MSNBC Network. Should Obama live up to his promise.

McCain, Obama skirmish on financing
Republican reaffirms pledge to accept public cash; Dem less clear on issue
By Elisabeth Bumiller
The New York Times
updated 1:51 a.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 15, 2008
WASHINGTON - Senator John McCains presidential campaign said Thursday that it stood by a year-old pledge made with Senator Barack Obama that each would accept public financing for the general election if the nominee of the opposing party did the same. But Mr. Obamas campaign refused to reaffirm its earlier commitment.

The McCain campaigns latest stand on the issue was first reported Thursday by The Financial Times. On Tuesday, one of Mr. McCains advisers told The New York Times that the campaign had decided to forgo public financing in the general election, an awkward admission for a senator who has made campaign finance reform a central part of his political persona.

That adviser was speaking on the assumption that Mr. Obama, who has broken all records in political fund-raising and is currently drawing more than $1 million a day, would find a way to retreat from the pledge in order to outspend his opponent in the fall by far. Under public-financing rules, the nominees are restricted to spending about $85 million each for the two-month general election campaign, far less than what Mr. Obama might be able to raise on his own.

On Thursday, in an effort by the McCain campaign to speak with one voice and put the onus for abandoning the system on Mr. Obama, several McCain advisers called on him to make good on his pledge. Mr. Obama was the candidate who proposed the pledge in the first place, in February 2007, a time when he was not raising the prodigious sums he is now.

Mr. McCain, co-author of the McCain-Feingold act of 2002, which placed new restrictions on campaign financing, was the only other candidate to take Mr. Obama up on his pledge.

We have a candidate who is quite serious about taking public funds if Obama does, Mark Salter, a senior adviser to Mr. McCain, said Thursday. Its not a game to McCain. Mr. Obama, Mr. Salter said, gave his word, and he either places value on that or hes just fooling voters.

Bill Burton, the Obama campaigns national press secretary, responded to Mr. Salter by saying Mr. Obama would deal with the matter later.

We will address that issue in the general election, when were the nominee, Mr. Burton said. Were just not entertaining hypotheticals right now.

Mr. Burtons remarks drew a sharp reaction from Fred Wertheimer, president and chief executive of Democracy 21, a group that advocates tighter campaign finance rules.

Im concerned with the position the Obama campaign is taking, Mr. Wertheimer said. He is now saying this is an option. But they made a commitment in 2007 to do this. There were no conditions, no arguments, that well decide this when we get the nomination. I think its very important for Senator Obama to reaffirm the commitment that he made.

Mr. Wertheimer also pointed to one of Mr. Obamas responses to a questionnaire released in November by the Midwest Democracy Network, an alliance of 20 civic and public-interest groups in Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio and Wisconsin.

Asked if he would participate in the public-financing system if he was nominated for president and his major opponents agreed to do the same, Mr. Obama wrote yes. Then he added, also in writing, If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.

As the two campaigns dueled, people on both sides said it was possible that they would agree to accept public financing and then simply have each political party spend unlimited amounts on behalf of its candidate, including money for voter mobilization efforts and television commercials, as allowed by law.

Copyright 2008 The New York Times
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23179541/

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Former Democrat, California — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:39:01 GMT

To:jaycee, Ventura, California (Sent Friday, February 15, 2008 9:30 AM)

I will pray for you and the Dem's

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C. Marie,Indianapolis — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:39:24 GMT

I cannot agree with you on the re election in Michigan and Florida. They had their chance to vote and people excited about the issue and wanting their voice to be heard did. If they did not vote that is a decision they made,all those record number of people who did go out and vote deserve their voice.

As for superdelegates, there is a definite possibilty that the popular vote will not match the the delegate count. I thought that most of the country found it outrageous when a candidate won the popular vote but not the election. Can you concede the victory to the winner of the popular vote or do we still follow delegate count then?

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Nashville_fan — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:39:26 GMT

"If she's ready to be president on Day One, should she have been ready to run a primary campaign on February 6?"

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Couldn't have said it any better myself!

Obama '08

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Scott — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:39:42 GMT

Regarding Strickland's comments yesterday, I think most people missed the point. The Clinton campaign has realized their best chance of winning is to solidify the women vote. That's what Strickland was doing; classic divide and conquer pander-politics.

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An Interested Reader — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:41:53 GMT

Jaycee,
Just wanted to let you know another reader jumps on every day to see what you're posting.

I wish Clinton had a poster who articulated her rationale for the Presidency as well as you do for Obama; it would be nice to have a civil discussion from both sides. All we seem to hear from the Clinton side are recriminations, threats, and division.

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Upstate NY — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:45:43 GMT

Jaycee

I couldn't have said it better.

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Lynette, NYC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:46:18 GMT

amazing, jaycee first to be POSTED AGAIN....

Its also amazing to me that all of the Obama supporters are insisting that Hillary Clinton get out of the race to make way for the crowned prince to take the prize. There is a fairly large group of people who support Hillary Clinton, so why should she give up. She will win, seemingly by double digits in OHIO, and Pennsylvania. This is going to sound racist, but suddenly every African American who hasnt voted in 20 years is registering and voting just so that a black man can win and thats insane to me. I sincerely doubt that every woman who hasnt voted in 20 years is doing the same and nor should they. people who have no Clue about polictics, dont read anything about candidates, are voting based on color. This is tough to say and I know i will get trounced by everyone on this blog, but everyone knows this to be true. And of these so called highly educated wine drinking liberal democrats, many are on this silly bandwagon because of guilt. He talks the talk but it is unlikely he can walk the walk. We have to wait and see. So in other words, we have no clue what we are getting. I apolize for my bluntness, and I also apologize to all of the people black and white who do pick their candidates based on ideals and issues, not color.

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Nashville_fan — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:46:33 GMT

"Outside the build-up to South Carolina, he hasn't been tested on this front yet in the campaign."
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You're kidding, right? What about the "unnamed scandal leaked to Novak","slush fund", "Muslim e-mail", "drug dealer","Rezko","crazy pastor","kindergarten papers", "naive", "bomb Pakistan","ganging up on Hillary", "making Hillary cry","unexpected New Hampshire loss", "Bradley effect","fairytale","race baiting","Oprah/celeb backlash" stories?

Senator Obama has been tested, vetted, buried, and resurrected SEVERAL times in this campaign. So the "untested" dog just won't hunt. Nice try though.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:46:48 GMT

Hillary came down here the other day and her message was the same old "I have 35 years experience: song and dance. People were just cheering for her because she is a big name. I still have not seen a Hillary Clinton campaign sign in this town. I've seen a few Obama signs and he has been on local TV.

When Obama speaks, he is sounding more and more like Winston Churchill...

When Hillary speaks, she is sounding more and more like Toni Basel.....

The Clinton's had it all...
Power, Money and Power......
Then a black guy from the real world came in with a message of hope.....
and now all the Clinton's can do is pack up their bags head back to Hope (Arkansas that is)

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raider dem, maryland — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:46:59 GMT

Hey First Read,

Your comments on Hillary--'Judging a president by her campaign'--made me think of something.....

Oh yeah, how about Obama refusing to commit to public financing even though HE was the candidate who suggested it last year (you know, before he started raking in his millions). Might that be a reflection of how he would be as President--make promises in his speeches he doesn't intend to keep, now that his own suggestion is to his detriment, not benefit anymore?

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Terry, Kansas City — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:49:44 GMT

Now we see a poll that shows a tightening in Texas. I would like to know when it was taken. We all know the polls touted yesterday were prior to Tuesdays results in the Potomac primaries.

Days of the dynasty needs to end. Let the days of participatory politics begin.

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Billy, Normal, IL — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:53:29 GMT

You are being played by the media here, folks. Yesterday's very old polls show nothing unexpected, and (surprise) today's are much closer. What you are seeing is the Hillary ceiling of several weeks ago before the current Obama surge. The media wants this to remain a contest. Secretly though, the media and both campaigns know that the nomination has been won.

They've shown a bit of fuzzy math by just calculating a few states still in play. If these were the only remaining states, Hillary needs more than 60% of the vote not only in OH, TX, and PA in the next few weeks, AND in WI and HI (which are highly unlikely). That alone is highly improbable. WI looks like another large win, and HI will be a landslide. OH, TX, and PA will end up being close (similar to Super Tuesday), which does Hillary no good and eliminates any chance she has.

Notice nobody is mentioning Vermont and RI, which will be additional red-faced losses for Hillary in the NE in the upcoming weeks. Net after March 4, you'll see Obama actually GAIN in his lead. A 30-delegate deficit prediction for Clinton is laughable.

Also, nobody is talking about the other states still in play... states like Oregon, Montana, Wyoming, South Dakota, Mississippi, West Virginia, North Carolina. Many of these are caucus states and will be victories for Obama with margins similar to the last few weekends. And then there are Kentucky and Indiana, both likely big Obama wins.

It's good for ratings if the outcome remains in question. I guarantee that nobody in either campaign has much doubt about where this is heading. You can see it in the body language of both campaigns with the desperate spin of the Clinton staff and Obama taking a day off yesterday.

The faces of the Clinton campaign look like any team facing Game 4 of the World Series when the other team leads 3 games to none. They're saying things like "hey we're going home where our fans are behind us." Absolute denial of the odds, considering only one team in HISTORY has pulled it off. Problem is, it's not Shilling, but Shillary taking the mound.

I guess Obama supporters can continue to wring their hands and worry, and Clinton supporters can still cling to some slim hope if they want. In reality, though, both are wasted effort at this point.

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Amawalk, NY — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:56:07 GMT

Chuck, you are correct about judging a candidate by his/her campaign. A great sage once said that man(woman) is like a tea bag. She shows her true colors when put in hot water!
Hillary did show her true colors the last few weeks when she was down. And what she showed was not pleasant - to say the least!
On the other hand, Barrack did very well under duress. Despite pleas from his campaign to attack his opponent, he decided not to. Truly, that shows judgement and good leadership.

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Janice - Kettering, OH — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:56:22 GMT

I think it's quite possible that Obama will NOT be attacked so strongly by the Republicans in the general election. They are probably gun-shy, because no one can say anything about Obama without his campaign spinning it to be racist. In my opinion, if Obama becomes our President, it will be only because he is black....once everyone saw how every, single comment about him by the Clintons was deemed racist by both the press and Obama's campaign, no one (not even a republican) is able to say what they think. I guess Obama is just the right color (not the right person) at the right time.

If Obama is the nominee, I will vote for McCain. At least we know what we'd be getting. The unknown is quite a scary prospect, and one that I'm not willing to sign on for.

If

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Obama wants to buy your vote — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:56:31 GMT

I think Obama could have his own problems in Wisconsin. We don't like people who seem to be buying their election. $695,000 dollars for 43 superdelegates hum!. Now is that typical Chicago politics or is it just the real you. Afraid you can't get their vote without your money. And you bitch about her wanting Florida and Michigan to count (real People and their votes).
This man is not what he claims to be.

She has also given but only $195,500 not nearly as much as him.

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csa NC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:56:39 GMT

Vote Obama and you will indeed get more of the same. His following of sheeples reminds me a bit of the past eight years. Hmmm. All talk and no show during the campaign and look where it got us. For God's sake, Obama and Bush use the same song to close their rallies. WAKE UP AMERICA! We're in for another 4 years at least of the Republicans. The rhetoric of Barchelle is just like that of Bush. Tread lightly folks.

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R. Ward, Redding, Ca. — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:57:23 GMT

Thank you Jaycee, Ventura Calif.

I couldn't agree more!

RW, Redding

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Jim, Santa Cruz — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:58:00 GMT

I am a little confused over the public campaign finance rules. If both candidates accept public financing, what is the status of "swift boat" groups that run "independent" endorsements, ads and propaganda? I could see a situation where the candidates were able to run a limited amount of "I approve this message" type ads, but we'd be overwhelmed by right and left wing "para-politicos gone wild".

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Dante — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:58:09 GMT

Let's take a closer look at who's really qualified and or who's really working for the good of all of us in the Senate. Obama or Clinton.

Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term - 6yrs. - and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law - 20 - twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.
These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress www.thomas.loc.gov, but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.
1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty. Only five of Clinton's bills are, more substantive.
16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11 18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.
There you have it, the fact's straight from the Senate Record.
Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize.

During the first - 8 - eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced

233 regarding healthcare reform,

125 on poverty and public assistance,

112 crime fighting bills,

97 economic bills,

60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,

21 ethics reform bills,

15 gun control,

6 veterans affairs and many others.
His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These inculded **the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law, **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law, **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate, **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law, **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, In committee, and many more.
In all, since entering the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096.
An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no record according to some who would prefer that this comparison not be made public.
He's not just a talker.
He's a doer.

Pass it on....It's impressive

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Al, KS — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:58:20 GMT

Obama hasn't been attacked...hasn't been tested. Unless all that rhetoric over substance stuff isn't an attack. Or Renko, slumloard, isn't an attack. Or voted "present" 100 times isn't an attack. Or refuses to debate isn't an attack. Or a "Fairytale" isn't an attack. Or is the same as Jesse Jackson isn't an attack. Or doesn't insure 15 million people isn't an attack. Madrasa. Drug use. I could go on and on, but the Clintons have been attacking him relentlessly...and now McCain is starting. The attacks will get worse, of course, but I think he is handling it just fine.

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Chaunda Anderson, Indiana — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:01:34 GMT

This is where I as a 32 year old black single mother in America tell why I will cast my vote for Hillary Clinton. Obama will get spanked in the November elections. Obamicans or republican for Obama do not make up a very large percentage of voters and I am sorry but many of them are already showing a movement back toward the Republican party because Obama has not yet been transparent on many issues (yes I have been to his site and it is full of nothing useful) and many of them are also concerned with his close relationship to very left leaning Democrats such as Kerry and Kennedy. In the spring and summer because they can concentrate now that they have a presumptive candidate, the republicans will make the point that inexperienced Obama is only a mouthpiece for very liberal puppetmasters and unless Obama starts being able to speak outside of onesided speeches, independents and republicans will listen.

I find it very frustrating that the media has continued this inevitable bull with Obama. He is running behind in Ohio Texas and Pennsylvania but you would not know it from the coverage. Yet during the Potomac elections I heard how much he was leading Hillary in the polls every ten minutes. What reaaly gets me about this situation is that if Obama gets the Democratic nomination and then loses in the general election the media will make it a race issue instead of the fact that it is an experience and arrogance issue. It will set my community back years.

As for Obama bring out new voters that is true to some extent but keep it real with yourself, many of the newly interested voters young and old have more time on their hands because of the writers strike. I know I would not watch or write half as much on this election if The Office or My Name is Earl was on. Although I have voted in every presidential election since legally able I wonder how a new fall season after almost a year with nothing will effect voter turnout in November. Whens sweeps?

For those who will boo and hiss what I have just said look to yourselves you hypocrits.

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white_male — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:03:39 GMT

More and more the Democratic campaign is saying that race trumps gender. In a McCain - Obama contest then I should vote for McCain even though if there had been a Clinton-Obama ticket, I would have fought like heck for Clinton now and in eight years, for Obama.

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Karen Jones, Austin, TX — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:06:14 GMT

I agree with Jerry from Texas. Hillary is really counting strongly on the Latino population. It's okay, but they have not been turning out heavily. Clinton signs are not up in texas as much as Obama's. He is on televsion a lot in Texas. It is sad that she would pass the state of WI, and send Bill in her place. Obama will be ready on day one, and right on day one. His campaign mananger have been doing a great job. On the other hand, the Clinton Campaign has been falling apart. Staff have been quitting left and right. She really thought Obama would have been done by Feb 6th. Hillary, I am sorry but you did not think this one through. Also, she has been losing her "SUPER DELEGATES". This is not a good sign. I strongly believe that the Super Delegates would go in the favor of the "American People".

Obama 2008

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jayelo — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:06:22 GMT

Wait until the Republicans get a hold of Obama. He hasn't been under any real scrutiny yet. The press and the campaigns have all been afraid of the race issue. The Republicans don't care, they don't get much of the African American vote anyway.

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kevin — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:08:50 GMT

Tell me, whats so specific about Hillary? Repeating over the words I,I,I,I,I,I???? If you really cared about this election, you should go read Obamas 54 page 'blueprint' with a summary of many issues and his solutions for them. Does hillary have that? She cant expect him to say all that in 5 minutes, right? But she just says she has 35 yrs of experience, wtf? What experience. Do you think an astrounauts wife could go into space? NO, but you think that if its a presidetn yes. Well theres no common sense there. You are giving the most powerful job in the world, harder than being an astronaut, to a person just because she was the wife of a president is ludacrous!

Also, its unfair that she says that his plan will not cover 15 million people. He does not mandate (force you tu buy something, and if you cant buy it they will take your money) health care. He focuses on the prices. Its not like you wouldnt want to get healthcare! HEck, if you dont want it, its your problem. But is you were a smart American, you ould know that Obama's plan does not leave out 14 million peaople, he wont denie you!

Also, she wont even admit that she voted for the war. Then when shes president shes not going to admit to not screwing up?

She just keeps offering and offering, like any old politicians, instead of telling you how it is!

Who was it that had to revise their ecomoic plan after it was made and after Obama put hi out? Hillary, because his was much better than hers. Think about it!

Anyone want to talk about it? kevin_zhongguo@yahoo.com

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Rapps, Grayslake Illinois — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:10:11 GMT

Let's judge Obama by the campaign he has run. In one year's time, he has put together a brilliant organization, served as its CEO, and is on the verge of beating a powerful Clinton machine that had a twelve year head start. His campaign has been smartly run, responsive, and classy. His message has been consistent. Now the key will be to get past the "he's all talk" spin. As a reality check, there is a lot of subtance to this candidate; he has very real achievements (nuclear nonproliferation and ethics bills while in US Senate, health care and ethics in Illinois legislature) and some very concrete, pragmatic policy proposals (look at the bright ideas being put out by Goulsbee, his economic adviser). Let's see if the media wants to cover this material, unfortunately, it's not a big ratings getter.

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Crystal — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:11:32 GMT

Lynette, NYC (Sent Friday, February 15, 2008 9:46 AM)

You can't be serious Lynette, I am sorry African-Americans make up only 13% of the total US population, so please don't pretend as if only blacks are voting for Obama. Secondly, those who vote for Obama ARE the ones who are paying attention, Hillary has gotten the lower educated, low income earning people, which speaks volumes for your candidate. And yes your comments didn't sound racist, they WERE racist. Not saying that you are, but your comments that time were.

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Crystal — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:11:47 GMT

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S. Ruff — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:12:02 GMT

Wisconsin is within 4 points. I don't understand why the media seems to think that Obama has Wisconsin wrapped up? It has always been close, but I guess it fits their 10 in a row script. I hope Obama wins it, but I think perhaps people might be getting a bit ahead of themselves. Unless this is part of the plan to make it look close and change expectations.

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D Andrews, Charlotte, NC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:14:16 GMT

Spin, Spun, you almost done?

Leave the spinning to campaigns.

What kind of President will Obama be? WHat has he done? Did you see Matthews put Doyle on the spot last night about what if anything Obama has done in the Senate? Obama == roll of the dice.

Sheesh. Since when is a campaign have anything to do with actually governance. Bush ran two fantastic campaigns. Look what it got us.

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D Andrews, Charlotte, NC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:15:25 GMT

Obama won't have to worry about being attacked by McCain.

Obama won't be the nominee after he loses in TX, OH, and PA.

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Ron, TX — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:15:52 GMT

Obama clearly has the best defense against negativity. Clinton will be forced to defend herself and counter-strike. Obama can point to it as an example of what is wrong with Washington. This strategy has worked great with all the mud the Clintons have tried to throw. I think Obama is responding VERY well to the animosity the public has toward Washington. He wants all this petty bickering and mudslinging to stop, and so by coming out as a real agent of change, as a chance to step above petty bickering, the American public is going to respond positively and forcefully in his favor.

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Janice, Houston - TX — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:17:45 GMT

I agree with Anawalk from NY. Obama could have said some pretty nasty things about Hillary. Remember, she had more negative than positives. However, he
know that will not help him win the nominee. He is being very careful, and tactful. Thus far his has shown leadship, judgement, intelligence, and very good character. He is the only one that can and will unite the American people. This is the kind of president the "American" people need in the white house come 2009. Also, he has excellent organization skills, and administration skills that will take him far. Obama is clearly the choice for the next president of the United States of America.

You Go Obama!
Smile :-)

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Nashville_fan — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:17:51 GMT

Lynette, NYC wrote:

"This is going to sound racist, but suddenly every African American who hasnt voted in 20 years is registering and voting just so that a black man can win and thats insane to me."
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Thank you for your comment. Here's the thing . . . black voters are making THE SAME choice that many other Americans are making - that Senator Obama is the candidate with the most vision, the best chance of bringing this country together, and the best plans for making it happen.

Senator Clinton has enjoyed more black support and more black endorsements ALL YEAR. It is the missteps of the Clinton campaign that have created the current situation she faces with ALL voters, including black voters.

That said, why is it a problem if black voters support a black candidate when white voters have been supporting white candidates from "day 1"?

Senator Obama could not be elected President of the United States with just the support of black Americans. So this politics of "racial division" (pitting Whites against Blacks, pitting Blacks against Latinos) is yet another red herring thrown into the process to create mistrust and confusion.

Senator Clinton's problem is that she does not offer a clear vision of who she is or what she wants to do for the country. Simple as that.

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j fl — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:18:01 GMT

Obama is a Muslim, he is friends with Louis Farrakhan, his church hates whites and is biggoted, hes a former crack user and there is questions about past sexual proclivities involving male prostitutes. That is just a start folks about what the repubs will throw at this relatively unknown guy and his hot air change ideas. Just wait til the swiftboaters get ahold of him. He is weak and not battle tested at all. We would all be fools to nominate this man at this time. Powerful repubs are backing him-not because they will vote for him, but because they want him to go up against McCain. Repubs mostly vote for repubs. Obama is another John Kerry.. a loser.

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Zak, Pittsford, NY. — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:19:09 GMT

The Democrats should think twice before voting for Obama, the reason is simple, if Obama is the nominee he will not be able to face the republican machine and as Democrats we will end up with the same people running the country again, we will end up with a 3rd term for Bush in the Oval office next January.
Think twice.

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Anna Molly — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:20:06 GMT

You think New Mexico is “better late than never”? As far as I know, we still don’t know for sure WHO WON NEVADA.

And who will conquer the “Lonestar” state? The eyes of the NATION are upon you.

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Nicholas: Minnesota — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:21:08 GMT

" ...should how the candidates actually ran their campaigns be part of the equation?"
--Absolutely. I don't think any of First Reads comparisons are necessarily valid, but one can tell a candidate's leadership style from his or her campaign. Barack Obama has outclassed her in that corner, proving that he has the leadership style that can actually get things done--wait, isn't that Clinton's argument?

--I also think that " ...she was organized, prepared, and meticulous ..." is still a valid observation, and that will likely be her leadership style, which I would consider a positive towards her. On the otherhand, Barack Obama isn't by any means the antithesis of those.

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JohnnyU, WA State — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:22:20 GMT

We have become incredibly cynical. And with darn good reason. In my lifetime I've watched the White House become the headquarters for lies, sleeze & corruption. One administration after another, a new cycle comes around, and its just more of the same. Its a natural reaction to become cynical and not believe ANYONE. We've all heard from our parents and told our children the story about the boy who cried wolf, the more you lie, the less credible you become. But has that left us where we won't recognize an honest man when he's right in front of us? Not a saint, not the second coming, as some of you have sarcastically said. Just one honest man trying to help us help ourselves. Please shed the fears that have been so well instilled by the dirty politics of the past. Yes WE Can.
Barack Obama '08

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Anna Molly — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:23:38 GMT

“That's what Strickland was doing; classic divide and conquer pander-politics.” (Scott)

Didn’t work, except maybe in reverse. Divide and condescend, you mean. How dumb do they think (or hope) women are?

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Sierra, SF — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:24:50 GMT

REJOICE DEMOCRATS !!
THIS is the candidate we're REJECTING !!

'...Hillary Clinton was arrogant and orally abusive to
her security detail...'

From the Washington Post.com/thefix:

For those who don't know... Capt. Denny Keast flies
for UAL and flew many SAM's (Special Air Mission's)
for the White House.

'...Hillary Clinton was arrogant and orally abusive to
her security detail. She forbade her daughter,
Chelsea, from exchanging pleasantries with them.
Sometimes Chelsea, miffed at her mother's obvious
conceit and mean spiritedness, ignored her demands and
exchanged pleasantries regardless, but never in her
mother's presence. Chelsea really was a nice,
kindhearted, and lovely young lady. The consensus of
opinion was that Chelsea loved her Mom but did not
like her. Hillary Clinton was continuously rude and
abrasive to those who were charged to protect her
life. Her security detail dutifully did their job, as
professionals should, but they all loathed her and
wanted to be on a different detail.

Hillary Clinton was despised by the Secret Service as
a whole. former President Bill Clinton was much more
amiable than his wife. Often the Secret Service would
cringe at the verbal attacks Hillary would use against
her husband. They were embarrassed for his sake by the
manner and frequency in which she verbally insulted
him, sometimes in the presence of the Secret Service,
and sometimes behind closed doors. Even behind closed
doors Hillary Clinton would scream and holler so
loudly that everyone could hear what she was saying.
Many felt sorry for President Clinton and most
wondered why he tolerated it instead of just divorcing
his 'attack dog' wife. It was crystal clear that the
Clintons neither liked nor respected each other and
this was true long before the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
Theirs was genuinely a 'marriage of convenience.'

Chelsea was much closer to her father than her mother,
even after the Lewinsky scandal, which hurt her
gravely. Bill Clinton did in fact have charisma, and
occasionally would smile at or shake hands with his
security detail. Still, he always displayed an obvious
air of superiority towards them.

His security detail uniformly believed him to be
disingenuous, false, and that he did nothing without a
motive that in some way would enhance his image and
political career. He was polite, but not kind. They
did not particularly like him and nobody trusted him.

Al Gore was the male version of Hillary Clinton. They
were friendlier toward each other than either of them
were towards former President Clinton. They were not
intimate, so please don't read that in. They were very
close in a political way. Tipper Gore was generally
nice and pleasant. She initially liked Hillary but
soon after the election she had her 'pegged' and no
longer liked her or associated with her except for
events that were politically obligatory.

Al Gore was far more left wing than Bill Clinton. Al
Gore resented Bill Clinton and thought he was too
'cent rist.' He despised all Republicans. His hatred
was bitter and this was long before he announced for
the Presidency. This hatred was something that he and
Hillary had in common. They often said as much, even
in the presence of their security detail. Neither of
them trusted Bill Clinton and, the Secret Service
opined, neither of them even liked him. Bill Clinton
did have some good qualities, whereas Al Gore and
Hillary had none, in the view of their security
details.

Al Gore, like Hillary, was very rude and arrogant
toward his security detail. He was extremely
unappreciative and would not hesitate to scold them in
the presence of their peers for minor details over
which they had no control. Al Gore also looked down on
them, as they finally observed and learned with
certainty on one occasion. Al got angry at his
offspring and pointed at his security detail and said,
'Do you want to grow up and be like them?' Word of
this insult by the former V ice-President quickly
spread and he became as disliked by the Secret Service
as Hillary. Most of them prayed Al Gore would not be
elected President, and they really did have private
celebrations in a few of their homes after President
Bush won. This was not necessarily to celebrate
President Bush's election, but to celebrate Al Gore's
defeat...'

Can you say 'just deserts' ?
An arrogant, 'soulless' self promoter

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Lynette, NYC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:24:58 GMT

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Obama '08 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:25:21 GMT

Yes I can ...I'm a community activist....Yes I can...I'm a civil rights attorney...Yes I can...I organized people...Yes I can...I sponsored legislation to make people stand up to eat if they wanted to buy politicians meals...Yes I can...Because I would have voted no, that is if I had to vote no, but I didn't have to because I wasn't there...Yes I can.

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Sierra, SF — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:28:10 GMT

National Democratic preferences...
THE TIDE HAS TURNED

From RealClearPolitics:

Poll Date Sample Obama Clinton Spread
RCP Average 02/01-02/13 - 45.1 43.9 Obama +1.2
Gallup 02/11-02/13 1223 46 45 Obama +1.0
Rasmussen 02/10-02/13 900 49 37 Obama +12.0
AP-Ipsos 02/07-02/10 520 41 46 Clinton +5.0
USATod/Gallup 02/08-02/09 525 47 44 Obama +3.0
Newsweek 02/06-02/07 602 42 41 Obama +1.0
Time 02/01-02/04 439 42 48 Clinton +6.0
CNN 02/01-02/03 500 49 46 Obama +3.0

What REALLY MATTERS are Wisconsin, Hawaii and especially Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania

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kevin — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:28:44 GMT

Chaunda Anderson, Indiana

The fact that in the end, becuasue I didnt bother to read your nonsense, shows that you are hte hyprocrit by insulting people without reason. Who is to know you are an african american woman? You could be a paid blogger by HRC campaign.

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Former Democrat, California — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:29:12 GMT

To: All the Sick and twisted Dem's that are tearing this party apart, Keep up the good work! It's working. I would never vote for a democrat or watch MSNBS/Obama network again. Signing off for good. See you in November! Go McCain!!!!!!!!

Former Democrat, California

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adam/NYC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:30:26 GMT

Hillary Clinton:

Ready to fail and ready to lie on day one.

She's taken on the Republicans an repeatedly failed.

Her Iraq vote was that of a coward trying to look tough on terrorism despite the insanity of it. Same as her Iran vote, same as her no vote on warrantless spying.

On Healthcare, she failed miserably in 1993. Not to mention her signing Richard Nixon's HMO plans. She failed so badly, she had to sell out to the Health Insurance agencies. Now she wants to force you to buy their product so they can strengthen their hold on the country.

On NAFTA, the Clinton's failed the country's workers. But it was a very good thing for WalMart, the company she sat on the board for.

On Bankruptcy she failed once again to protect Americans, insteac voting to protect banks and Wall St. She was glad it didn;t pass though, Kind of like her husband smoked pot but didn't inhale.

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Gustavo Herrera, Baltimore MD — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:31:00 GMT

D Andrews, even if Obama loses in those states, it won't be by large enough margins for Hillary to retake the delegate lead. Don't forget, polls change every day and are usually slower than the hearts and minds of voters. Obama will win in Wisconsin and Hawaii and have a 10-0 streak and plenty of momentum going into TX, OH and PA.

He has significantly more cash than Clinton and actually beat her to establishing a ground game in these major states.

As jaycee pointed out, the fun of having a close Democratic primary race is over. The stakes are much higher going forward because the Democratic party CANNOT afford to be in limbo the entire rest of the spring and summer before the convention.

The Republicans are going to unite behind McCain long before that, and he will long have started swaying hearts and minds by the time the Democratic superdelegates close the deal at the convention.

That's why it's absolutely imperative that the Democratic race winds down, and given how good both candidates are, it should be Obama on top. He has much more cross-over appeal than she does in the general, and she alienates Republicans, with zero-cross-over appeal.

Meanwhile, the veepstakes begin: http://www.nationalscold.com

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Megan, Madison, WI — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:31:24 GMT

I don't think you have to worry about how Obama will react if attacked. Nice does not mean stupid. It's true that no one will be able to play the race card on him, with the entire nation watching. But people act as though Barack Obama has been living in a bubble! As though he just popped into existence a year ago! The man has been either working with politicians or in politics most of his adult life. If you think the man has not studied political strategy, both in real life and in books, you must be crazy.

Obama is a younger candidate with a fresh face and a winning smile. All of this is true. But do not underestimate the strength of this man. I think that would be a mistake. His entire life has been a vetting.

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MG, St. Louis, MO. — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:32:23 GMT

Obama has run a brilliant campaign. He has not faltered in his thoughts, message, ground game, money raising, campaign management,etc. He has faced formidable challenges and running mates and has not faltered and has handeled it with grace, poise, honesty and maturity. Never forget he is running against the biggest, most entrenched, nasty, dishonest and meanest political machine in America and he is winning! Obviously he got it RIGHT ON DAY ONE! The depth of thought, knowledge and skill level he put together in his campaign theme, strategy, hiring of employees, organization, ground game etc. has all been above board and stellar. His theme and platform has never faltered so give credit where credit is due. The Clinton's retheric of BEING READY ON DAY ONE rings hollow and has been proved wrong.

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kevin — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:32:30 GMT

Lynette,

It doesnt matter that a ethnic community backs someone this hugely. There vote still counts because they are Americans. Its not our problem all the other people dont go vote. If they are motivated enough to vote, for any reason, it shouldnt be taken as unfair, because they are Americans, and have any reason to do so!

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Sara, Cleveland, OHIO — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:33:09 GMT

Chunda, I am so sorry to tell you that you are wrong about Hillary. She is a lair, takes money from lobbist, she is all for "SELF". Everyday she manipulates the press and media. I understand you are not voting for Obama, because he is black, and your are black. This is a wise decision on your part. She has so many negatives, and voted for the war in Iraq, and John McCain is going to stop her from becoming the next president. He can say that the "Surge" is working, but you voted for the war. I guess you don't know anything about the scandals that went on while Bill was in office. Obama has never been off key, since he started this campaign. He is a man of vision, and the only one that can unite the Democratic Party. Clinton, on the other hand is losing staff, and superdelegates. There is no way she can catch up to Obama. Even though, she might win Penn, and Ohio. I cannot see Obama losing Penn, Ohio, and Texas. He hasclosed the gap since yesterday. It shows that Obama and Hillary are neck and neck in Ohio. So, if you want the democratic party to win, your best choice will be Obama. He has captured new voters, independent voters, and some republician voters. Hillary has not done this. Please think hard, and make the "Right Choice" for this country. Thanks.

White Supporter for Obama - Sara 35 years old.

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Sierra, SF — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:33:26 GMT

It couldn't happen to a more deserving pair
The 'ex-co-Presidents' ?

Jimmy Carter spends his post Presidential days working for human rights and housing

Slick Wille spends his days getting rich via insider deals and romancing celebrities....

From Huff Post:

'...Chickens come home to roost
By RON FOURNIER,
Associated Press Writer
Tue Feb 12, 10:30 PM ET

WASHINGTON - For years, Bill and Hillary Clinton
treated the Democratic National Committee and party
activists as extensions of their White House
ambitions, pawns in a game of success and survival.
She may pay a high price for their selfishness soon.

Top Democrats, including some inside Hillary Clinton's campaign, say many party leaders — the so-called superdelegates — won't hesitate to ditch the former New York senator for Barack Obama if her political problems persist. Their loyalty to the first couple is built on shaky ground.

"If (Barack) Obama continues to win .... the whole
raison d'etre for her campaign falls apart and we'll
see people running from her campaign like rats on a
ship," said Democratic strategist Jim Duffy, who is
not aligned with either campaign.

The rats started looking for clear waters when Obama
won Iowa, narrowly lost New Hampshire and trounced
Clinton in South Carolina before holding his own in
last week's Super Tuesday contests. He won primaries
in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia on
Tuesday to extend his consecutive win streak to eight.

Obama has won 23 of 35 contests, earning the majority
of delegates awarded on the basis of election results.
The remaining 796 delegates are elected officials and
party leaders whose votes are not tied to state
primaries or caucuses; thus, they are dubbed
"superdelegates."

And they are not all super fans of the Clintons.

Some are labor leaders still angry that Bill Clinton
championed the North American Free Trade Agreement as
part of his centrist agenda.

Some are social activists who lobbied unsuccessfully
to get him to veto welfare reform legislation, a
talking point for his 1996 re-election campaign.

Some served in Congress when the Clintons dismissed
their advice on health care reform in 1993. Some
called her a bully at the time.

Some are DNC members who saw the party committee
weakened under the Clintons and watched President Bush use the White House to build up the Republican
National Committee.

Some are senators who had to defend Clinton for lying
to the country about his affair with Monica Lewinsky.

Some are allies of former Vice President Al Gore who
still believe the Lewinsky scandal cost him the
presidency in 2000.

Some are House members (or former House members) who
still blame Clinton for Republicans seizing control of the House in 1994.

Some are donors who paid for the Clintons' campaigns
and his presidential library.

Some are folks who owe the Clintons a favor but still
feel betrayed or taken for granted. Could that be why
Bill Richardson, a former U.N. secretary and energy
secretary in the Clinton administration, refused to
endorse her even after an angry call from the former
president? "What," Bill Clinton reportedly asked
Richardson, "isn't two Cabinet posts enough?"

And some just want something new. They appreciate the
fact that Clinton was a successful president and his
wife was an able partner, but they never loved the
couple as much as they feared them.

Never count the Clintons out. They are brilliant
politicians who defied conventional wisdom countless
times in Arkansas and Washington. But time is running
out.

Two senior Clinton advisers, speaking on condition of
anonymity to discuss the race candidly, said the
campaign feels the New York senator needs to quickly
change the dynamic by forcing Obama into a poor debate performance, going negative or encouraging the media to attack Obama. They're grasping at straws, but the advisers said they can't see any other way that her campaign will be sustainable after losing 10 in a row.

Clinton strategists are famous for poor-mouthing their own campaign in order to lower expectations, but these advisers have never played such games. They're legitimate, and legitimately worried.

The fear inside the Clinton camp is that Obama will
win Hawaii and Wisconsin next week and head into the
March 4 contests for Ohio and Texas with a 10-race
winning streak. Her poll numbers will drop in Texas
and Ohio, Clinton aides fear, and party leaders will
start hankering for an end to the fight.

Clinton should find little comfort in the fact that
she has secured 242 superdelegates to Obama's 160.

"I would make the assumption that the ...
superdelegates she has now are the Clintons' loyal
base. A superdelegate who is uncommitted today is
clearly going to wait and see how this plays out.
She's at her zenith now," Duffy said. "Whatever
political capital or IOUs that exist, she's already
collected."

Few Democrats want to cross the Clintons when they're
on top. But how many are willing to stand by them when they're down?...'

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nuanced — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:34:17 GMT

"So is that the distinction? That he isn’t changing his endorsement, but will cast his superdelegate vote for Obama? Pardon us if we’re a bit confused"

You are pardoned. It is called representative government. The elected official represents the people who elected him/her rather than their own personal beliefs and will promote their wishes even if it conflicts.

Joe Lieberman for example does not believe in representative government. He has repeatedly said that he votes his conscience and personal beliefs even if it goes against the wishes of his constituents -- he calls that courage. I call it something else.

Therefore I applaud Lewis for his "courage" to respect our form of government.

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Kathy, Vista, CA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:34:38 GMT

I think all the claims Hillary make regarding her experience being better than Obama's needs more proof. All I see is lemmings believing her without any real proof. As noted by Danta above, Obama has actually done a great deal more than Hillary in public office. As for him being able to withstand the Republican attack machine, I don't think he will have problems with that after surviving the Clinton attack machine. He does not take this stuff laying down and answers attack ads quickly as he did yesterday.

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Dirk, Brunswick, Georgia — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:34:57 GMT

Ray-

I agree that Obama is getting a free ride because he is new and black. First Read and Chuck Todd and Chris Matthews all slant their analysis in favor of Obama.

Fact is, Obama is untested and inexperienced, especially on national security. Can you imagine what Obama would do as Pres. if Iranian gunboats started firing on U.S. frigates? Obama would have to draw on his experiences as a community organizer in south Chicago....how relevant. The man is a freshman, media-created windbag getting a free pass to the nomination.

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Alan, NJ — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:35:14 GMT

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Lynette, NYC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:35:52 GMT

Sierra,
Your post is a ridiculous rambling. who cares?

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Chaunda,Indianapolis — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:36:14 GMT

Oh yeah for those people who talk about Hillary's healthcare mandating coverage so does Obamas on children and yes he will garnish your wages just like Hillary if you do not pay. Also he says he eventually wants universal healthcare. Had a nice older lady who told me she would want Hillary because this lay's son just graduated from medical school and she was told Hillary would ruin doctors finiancially woth her plan so she was going to vote Obama. When I pointed out Obama eventual stated goal was the same SHE DID NOT EVEN KNOW. This college educated upper middle class woman was basing her vote on misinformation. There is your Obama support over educated and underinformed.

Also seriously and I mean this with no disrespect or rancor, please quit eqating Obama's time as a parttime state senator with ANYTHING Hillary was doing nationally. That's like comparing running a Dollar Tree with running a Walmart, two different worlds.

And another thing (since I am off and have nothing else to do but rant) white people quit feeling guilty about pointing out the racist voting tactics of the majority of black people who so not know any issue but are voting based solely on race. I am black and I find it abhorrent. Folks like Wilder who tried to bury Bill Clinton to get the anger vote bring same to our community. It is so easy to get ignorant and undereducated people riled up over nonsense. Just remember you are now part ofnt eh problem not the solution.

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Lester, Boston, MA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:36:18 GMT

Why is it that all of the Obama bloggers are whining about Hillary getting out of the race? If you can't put her away given all of the positive press coverage you've gotten what makes you think you can beat McCain? And about the issue of judging someone's presidency by his or her campaign. Unless Obama can count on 80% positive press coverage throughout his presidency I seriously doubt that he could be effective. His campaign is nothing more than a media creation that has been hyped by a news/entertainment industry that is desperate for a good story while the Hollywood writers have been on strike. No one has any idea what Obama would actually do as president. He talks about his skill at bringing people together. But what do you do when people don't want to come together? Does he seriously think he can use his rhetoric and charisma to bring all of the rabid Republicans over to his way of thinking? Likely as not an Obama presidency would face (at best) a 51% working majority in this country. And he would face an onslaught of criticism and recriminations from both the media and the Republicans and, at his first failure, would begin to whine just as his campaign is doing now. Right here in Massachusetts we have a governor whose campaign reminds me very much of Obama's.....same slogan ("yes we can") and everything. He promised transformation and all he's done so far is make a series of rookie missteps and now has staked his governorship on getting three casinos built, which is being fought tooth and nail by the legislature. Face it, if we're lucky enough to have a democrat in the White House next year it had better be someone who knows how to fight for every inch and knows who the enemies are. Obama seems to think that everyone will just lay down and let him have his way, just as his supporters are expecting Hillary to do in this race. But that won't happen. He'll be fought at every turn, just like Bill Clinton was, and that's a bitter pill for anyone to swallow no matter how much kool aid they drink.

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Lester, Boston, MA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:36:45 GMT

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Nashville_fan — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:37:49 GMT

Lynette, NYC:

Can you tell me what Senator Clinton stands for? What will she do as President? Will she be the President or co-President? If she is elected, will all the people who have supported Senator Obama be targeted for revenge?

P.S. I don't think you are a racist, and even if you were, you have every right to your own opinion.

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WOW — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:38:34 GMT

Wow, next time the Clinton's hire people to troll blogs, they should really give them a spelling and grammer test or something, no one is going to convince anyone when they are ranting in improper English.

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WOW — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:39:30 GMT

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nuanced — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:39:44 GMT

jaycee, your comments deserve to be in the white part of the column above the comments section.

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sick of cut and paste politics — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:41:21 GMT

Yaahh Sierra is here with her cut and paste campaign. Go mindlessness yes you can!!!

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Al, KS — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:42:48 GMT

Lynette...you're right, that was racist. Everyone has the right to vote, regardless of race and their previous voting record. I am a white male, but voted for the first time in a Democratic caucus. Does my vote count. Oh that's right, I live in a caucus state and they don't count. Or is it because I live in a small state...they don't count either, right? Or is it because it is a red state. Or maybe because I prefer a latte over regular coffee. I'm so confused over who's vote should count...enlighten me.

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Adam, Houston TX — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:43:54 GMT

Why I hate Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama:
Actually, I hate neither Clinton nor Obama. After all, they are fellow Americans and both have contributed greatly to this country.
But why would I want Obama to be the next leader of our beloved country and the free world? Lets not demean any candidate and be fair to all candidates.
1. Hillary Clinton's trademark campaign theme is "35 years of experience". Barack Obama's themes revolve around hope, change, and unity.
2. Hillary has 7 years of legislative experiences as a U.S. Senator, while Obama has 12 years of lawmaking experiences as an Illinios legislator and a U.S. Senator.
3. Both senators hold law degrees, Obama from Harvard and Clinton from Yale.
4. Clinton has worked full time for over 15 years (1977 - 1993) as a corporate lawyer at Rose Law Firm. The only real legislative experience she has accumulated over the years is her seven years in Congress as a U.S. Senator from New York. She may be referring the rest of her 15 years of experience to her status as First Lady of Arkansas during Bill's governorship as well as First Lady of the U.S. during his presidency (if you think the years she was crowned the First Lady title should count as political experience, then you may also argue that Laura Bush (whose husband was also a governor of Texas) has the same experience as Hillary Clinton as First Lady).
5. Obama was doing community organizing work in Chicago during the years Hillary Clinton was working as a corporate lawyer/corporate board member (the notion that he was representing what Clinton termed a "slum lord" is inaccurate, for Obama only did legal paper work for a nonprofit organization working with Tony Rekzo).
6. Many of you argued that Clinton does not currently have the credentials to lead the nation (her campaign has repeatedly undergone shake-ups and she has fired 2 of her campaign managers following the February 5 nominating contests and her campaign money woes, as evidenced by the $5 million personal loan she transferred from her own pocket and Obama's 32% million fundraising for the month of January alone). This may tell voters something about our future president's management ability (some will blame the media for bringing this issue up, but you have to remember that Obama's own campaign has been far more better managed).
7. There is a lot voters need to know about the two remarkable candidates, so I'll list a few links I have carefully verified to contain factual information. Educated minds make wise choices, so it is important to stop attacking each candidate with no facts to back up most of the posts. As voters, it is our responsibility to educate ourselves and not be influenced by the media and the candidates themselves unless what they say is factually accurate (Obama has made a couple of inaccurate statements, but most of the inaccurate statements are coming from the Clinton campaign). I urge voters to do some fact-checking before attacking any of the candidates or their supporters.
To learn about your candidate's voting record in Congress, please do a little research or visit www.votesmart.org
To do political fact checking, you can go to one of the following sites (there are many others out there):
www.factcheck.org
www.mediamatters.org
www.politifact.com
www.washingtonpost.com/factchecker
Don't let yourself be deceived! You have got to be the judge by voting for the candidate with the qualities you feel best suits the presidency.
Please also take the time to do a little more research by going to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama. Don't look up to the Clinton Chronices in making your judgment about America's next president!
One last thing... You can track Hillary's "35 years of experience" at http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18391632 to give you a sense of why Hillary Clinton continues to stick to her campaign theme of "experience".
I hope voters will now wise up and stop acting like children. In a civil society, we are supposed to engage in lively and frank discussions, not vicious attacks as if our candidates were engaged in warfare. Some of the posts seem to be filled with hateful remarks, better suited for bigots and those who prefer to live a life of ignorance than educated and compassionate citizens.

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Chaunda Anderson, Indiana — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:44:32 GMT

kevin

That is why I put my whole name up. It is easy to find and remember. I do not have to hide behind the anonymity of a one name no state blog to express my belief

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NO OBAMA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:46:39 GMT

You Obama supporters really think you are great, How ARROGANT are you.

You all just spout the same BS Obama does. Its funny how The Black Agenda Report doesn't think the same
way you do. Should read it (OR ARE YOU AFRAID TO KNOW THE TRUTH)

Ambassador Joe Wilson has some interesting comments on him.

And How about the fact that he is buying superdelegates votes.

Or how about whos funding him?

Maybe you should pull your heads out and do some true research on him.

And aleast with the Clinton's you know what you get,with him who does know?

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Mike , West Texas — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:46:56 GMT

I really think change has a face in this election. Something besides just something to say. And I think, while it is terribly difficult to make change tangible, Obama has been adding substance. Our neighbors deeply want real change. If Obama can continue to convince people that he is for real, Hillary's "just talk - no action" cynicism will might not be enough to turn the tide.

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Chaunda — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:48:44 GMT

Sorry I do not type very well but I did not think that was the issue of these postings

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Steve N, Boulder CO — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:49:39 GMT

jaycee, Ventura, California - What you write about the Democrats this year is so true. What is happening now with the Democrats is their worst nightmare. Clinton could not issue the knock-out blow on Super Tuesday, and now is in this endless battle with the "new guy". The Clinton's only being slightly behind means they will fight to the finish for the nomination. They are so self centered, that will stop at nothing to get that nomination, and that includes destroying the Democratic party for years to come. Obama certainly will not quit either. Standing in front of huge cheering crowds has got to be pumping him up. For him to ever quit the race, he'll have to give up that spotlight, and his supporters will be very bitter towards the Clinton's if they ever forced him to make that decision.

McCain on the other hand, while not the best choice for the right, will be an adequate choice. He'll be a fine President that both parties will get along with

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leeler,norwalk,oh — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:50:21 GMT

All you women following the "Obama train",What is his stance on Women's Rights?
His days of"present"are over........
No one cares?I do!!!!!!

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California Indy — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:50:41 GMT

Lynette,
I'll let your comments stand on their own but will ask you one simple question:
Even if what you claim is true, how then do you apologize for the millions of women who have been brow-beaten by NOW into voting for HIlllary "because she's a woman." That's ok, right?

And please don't say she's more qualified. It doesn't hold up to the facts. It holds up to her rhetoric, but not the facts. The latest today is that she gets "results" whereas her opponent just makes "promises." Really? Really? REALLY? What are the results? Other than a few minor items (childhood vaccines, a small hcare bill for NY), which are admirable, but still minor, THERE'S no THERE THERE. Sorry, just because you say something enough doesn't mean it's true. That's Karl Rove politics; we're done with that.

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Megan, Madison, WI — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:51:11 GMT

Dirk, in Brunswick: Please explain to me in detail how Hillary Clinton is more experienced on national security than Barack Obama. And don't just give me the Clinton side. I want to see an accurate copy of Obama's record, too. Side by side.

The experience issue is getting tired. For anyone who remembers Bill Clinton's campaign, the experience issue is a non-issue. Bill had less experience than either of these two.

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JohnnyU, WA State — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:51:27 GMT

'j fl' said: "Obama is a Muslim.....blah blah blah..." lies, fear mongering, the dirty politics of the past....guess what, people are not that stupid, its NOT working anymore, BYE.

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Nashville_fan — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:52:04 GMT

To Chaunda from Indianapolis:

Why do you keep reminding us in every post that you are black? lol

Since I am black too, (and I am off today as well), let's talk "sister" to "sister" shall we?

Instead of you ranting and railing about all that Senator Obama is not gonna do, why don't you tell me what Senator Clinton is gonna do?

Is she gonna release her tax returns, explain her "universal" mandate penalty, tell us how she is going to fix Social Security, release her White House papers? Is she gonna stop telling us all the things we CAN'T do because she says so?

Is she going to articulate HER vision for America and stop reminding us of Bill's? Is she going to admit her war vote was a mistake? Is she going to admit EVER making ANY mistake? Is she going to keep playing the victim everytime things don't go her way?

This campaign is about the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not about Hillary Clinton. Until she realizes that and starts presenting a vision of what she can do instead of what Obama can't, she doesn't stand a chance.

P.S. GO TITANS!

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J.D., Baltimore, MD — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:52:39 GMT

I'm not confused about John Lewis in the slightest. Its all well and good if you personally endorse one candidate, but if your constituents vote for the other one, if I were in his position, I would give my superdelegate vote to the person the people voted for. That's democracy. Voting for the candidate his district didnt vote for; that's what doesn't make sense.
In politics, people go back on their word almost as often as they exhale. At least in this case, it's for a good cause.

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Megan, Madison, WI — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:52:58 GMT

NO OBAMA, can you back your statements up with sources? Credible sources, not blogs?

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Lynette, NYC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:53:43 GMT

I have been blogging here for quite a while and no one is paying me.

Again I stand by what i said and no where did i say that anyone votes should not matter, It is my opinion that EVERYONE should vote. The media spin on Obama is incredulous, the african americans and the college kids started a pep rally, and people have jumped on it.
I see Senator Clinton as a very strong person who will be tough on foreign policy and with the economy. Obama is weak in my eyes. A wuss really. But he has a great way with the words, I will give him that.

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Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:53:58 GMT

THE "COMEBACK" CANDIDATE...hillaryclinton.com . come see how it will be done.

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Rufus Gibbons Washington DC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:54:02 GMT

Another anti Hillary , Obama puff piece. It isn't just Chris Matthews folks it is the entire MSNBC organization. This will be my last post on this blog I like Huffington Post better the writers are more varied and have less gender bias. Go Hill you will take Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania in spite of a biased media.

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Obama 08, SC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:54:41 GMT

LIKE PROMISE HERES BORACK OBAMA EXPERINCE:

Now, I would post those of Obama’s, but the list is too substantive, so I’ll mainly categorize.

During the first - 8 - eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced

233 regarding healthcare reform,

125 on poverty and public assistance,

112 crime fighting bills,

97 economic bills,

60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,

21 ethics reform bills,

15 gun control,

6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These inculded **the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law, **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law, **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate, **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law, **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, In committee, and many more.

In all, since entering the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096.

An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no record according to some who would prefer that this comparison not be made public.

He’s not just a talker.

He’s a doer.

Pass it on….It’s impressive

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Gene Raleigh, NC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:58:21 GMT

The GOP should just foreit this race. By all accounts, the Obama supporters are very dedicated, unlike the Hillary supporters, who may waiver. I'm still voting for Ron Paul in spite of the mess America is ordering up for herself.

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Lynette, NYC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:58:49 GMT

I guess i couldnt possibly be an educated, college grad because I do not agree with you, WOW. There is a underlying current of these things that are not politically correct to talk about at cocktail parties or on blogs or anywhere. I say what i feel, and then I take the critique. Not everyone has to agree with everyone else and everyone is entitled to share opinions.

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Raymond Micheals — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:00:04 GMT

I dont know how a Clinton who goes to battle and makes the failures of her opponents tactics being the basis of her victory could lay claim to being a better fighter than an Obama who expects that the opponent will be tough and conjurs a better arsenal to overpower the opponent.

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Chuck Long, Iowa — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:01:58 GMT

<< Mike , West Texas - Obama has been adding substance.>>

Obama has as much substance as cotton-candy. He's sweet and airy, and there is not much else. The rubes love it. Hillary on the other hand just lies.

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POLpursun — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:02:32 GMT

Whither John Lewis? Billary wants what Billary wants. Yes, those were the heady times. Your stars aligned with those of Billary. That was LONG, LONG ago. Your beloved community can, no,no, MUST now wait, or better, get out of the way. The first black president? The stars just don't align anymore. Thus, the southern strategy and other despicable behaviour of the Billary machine.

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Sierra, SF — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:02:42 GMT

'...And Georgia Rep. David Scott -- another Clinton backer -- has apparently endorsed Obama. Not counting Lewis (because the situation is confusing), Obama has gained 12 superdelegates since February 5, while Clinton has lost a net of three...'

Those Super Delegate totals may NOT BE STATIC
Everybody's for you when you're 'inevitable'

Nobody loves you when you're down and out.... ;-D

Super Delegates are there to RATIFY the decision of the VOTERS... not to OVERTUNR the VOTER'S WILL

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anti msnbc — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:03:38 GMT

excuse me,but am I the only one who reads these e-mails but am eager to get on to the next one for opinions?Please to sierra,etc who are writing manuscripts---I skip them---who has the time to read on and on.I was on this site agood year ago and learned who the republicans were---the same ones that hate clinton and cheer on obama.Bet they will not vote for him tho.Why do you never discuss your very own republican cantidate?Cmon jerry and anders who is your choice?

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:05:35 GMT

I think John Lewis and Pelosi letting it slip she's leaning Obama are meant as signals to the Clintons, and probably being done in concert with some private meetings between Democratic leaders and the campaign, letting her know their preference the party now rally behind Obama.

Just my guess, but I think this is the drama being played out. People telling her its over; she countering that she wants to at least take a shot at reversing the situation on March 4. If I'm right, it will be interesting to see if the signals start becoming more overt, should Clinton continue to resist.

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James, Cleveland — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:06:27 GMT

Jaycee, excellent remarks. I think the Clinton Machine is willing to destroy the Democratic Party to insure Hillary's ascendancy and general election loss.

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James, Cleveland — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:06:28 GMT

Jaycee, excellent remarks. I think the Clinton Machine is willing to destroy the Democratic Party to insure Hillary's ascendancy and general election loss.

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Expelliarmus, OH — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:09:09 GMT

Uh, shall we put this "Obama is a Muslim" myth to rest, along with the "pledge of Allegiance" myth:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

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Jim, Chicago — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:09:19 GMT

I see a lot of people still harping on Obama's elecability. Why are we still having this discussion? If Hillary Clinton, one of the most well-known and respected Democrats, is now struggling to beat a junior Senator with a funny name -- despite herself being seen as the likely party nominee by both the general public and the media, what makes you think her campaign can stand up to the Republican attack machine any better than Barack Obama?

The reality is Obama has run an amazing campaign and has put the the "Clinton Machine", once thought of as unstoppable, on the ropes. Take note of this accomplishment: This is something the Republicans failed to accomplish in 1992, 1996, 2000, and 2006.

He is all-around a stronger candidate than Clinton. He is better on the issues than Clinton. He is more substantive than Clinton. He will be the nominee and he will be the 44th President of the United States.

And I really don't understand why Clinton fans are gloating about these recent polls. Hillary needs knock-out 20-point wins in TX, OH, and PA just to remain in the race. She needs 3 major blow-outs to stay relevant.

To secure the nomination her campaign's strategy is to close the pledged delegate gap to ~35, try to get Florida and Michigan seated in their favor, and then push the remaining super delegates to support them. That's it. If any one of those fail she loses. If March 5th rolls around and Senator Clinton is still facing a 100+ pledged delegate deficit it's likely she will begin winding her campaign down as the party begins to line-up behind Obama.

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bill, okla — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:09:29 GMT

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Megan, Madison, WI — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:09:37 GMT

Leeler, what exactly do you mean by "women's rights"? Are you referring to legislation against discrimination? Are you referring to a woman's right to choose? Be more specific. And if you would please, give me a link to Hillary's policy on women's rights.

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No Obama 08 — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:10:52 GMT

I am a Black Female who will NOT VOTE OBAMA. He is all talk and no Show. The media and the press are treating him like the Golden Son. People wait until all the votes are counted before you put this Smooth Talking Con Man in the white house. Oh, I forgot about the Republicians. They will not let a Junior Senator get passed them. If Obama is nominated, which I doubt he will be because he has YET TO WIN ANY OTHER BIG STATE BESIDES HIS STATE OF ILL. I think you Obama followers should read this:

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/PDFfiles/2008Election.pdf

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Brian, Sarasota, Florida — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:11:07 GMT

Jaycee, that is one of the best posts I have seen on msnbc, well done.

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Leatha, Florida — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:11:28 GMT

To Lynette: Thank you, you stated the truth. I am not a predjudice person, but I agree with you.

To Chaundra: As a person of color, you were courageous to state what you did and to actually see what is really going on.

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BL, Cincinnati OH — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:12:52 GMT

I said what i said because if you look at states with large african american populations, district by district, he has gotten sometimes as much as 90% of the black vote. Give me a break, when does that happen for any candidate. i stand by what i said, and I know many people believe this to be true as well they dont have the guts to say it publicly. I knew i would get criticized heartily, but the facts are the facts.Less than half of the population actually votes, but when you have almost an entire ethnic group pulling in one direction, the scales get tipped.

By the way, Im a college graduate.
Lynette, NYC (Sent Friday, February 15, 2008 10:24 AM)

Senator Clinton won a few districts in Virginia (and other places) with 90% of the vote.

I see you and so many other Clinton supporters spouting off how she'll win this area or that area because she has huge latino support, female support, or senior support (aka: racism, genderism, and ageism)

Why is it ok for her to win some districts that favor her by 90%, yet not ok for him? That's a bit hypocritical.

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Pat Huntington NY — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:13:02 GMT

The nastiness from the Obama supporters is what's dividing the Democratic Party, and making people turn to the other side, i.e., McCain. Ironic, since he was suppose to unite us, and gain the support of independents and republicans. Yeah, right!

Go Hillary!

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Maryann, San Diego, Ca — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:14:36 GMT

Why are people so hateful toward Clinton. Its OK if you don't like her and won't vote for her but
do you have to result to name calling?

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Sweet Lou — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:16:24 GMT

Hillary is half Muslim, from her fathers side.

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Larry Brooks, Madison, Wi. — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:17:59 GMT

LET THE WISCONSIN DEBATE BEGIN, SENATOR OBAMA ! THE VOTERS OF WISCONSIN DEMAND A DEBATE IN WISCONSIN.

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anti msnbc — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:18:04 GMT

I voted for Hillary and would do it again.Do not be so eager to blame her for tearing the party apart.Day after day on this site alone you read the scathing remarks made by the obama cultists.Between msnbc(matthews,russet,scarborough and tucker) and the obamanoids you have made me dislike obama amd I could never vote for him.If you lose to mccain in the general do not whine----you deserve it.

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Vincent KC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:18:06 GMT

I have a question. Is Barack Obama a black canidate, or a canidate that happens to be half African American. Awnser that for yourself and you will understand your emotions towards the man. There is a generational gap in this campaign that very few people have wanted to talk about. Voters under 30, voters 31-59, and voters 60 and over. Each group represents a generation in many ways and each has a slightly diffrent view of race. Gee I think it means America is growing up as a scocity.

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dong, LA, CA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:19:49 GMT

Alan

I watched the Doyle interview last night and it was very uncomfortable when Mathews asked the governor to name ONE 9only one) Obama achievement that is relevant. All he could come up with is that he's run a great campaign.

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That is the same answer I got from a Obama supporter when I asked him the same question. Obama is not a freshman just coming out college. He has been in public office for 10+ years. I am sure there are things he has accomplished but not the things he wants to brag about in public, like his 40% missing votes in US senate.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:19:53 GMT

bill, okla: Jim Webb would be an ideal vp consideration. To see him and Barack Obama on stage together campaigning would be breath taking.

Talk about change - there it would be with the two of them for all to see. Intelligent, tough, anti-Bush.

Democrats. Real democrats.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:21:54 GMT

Bill - I agree, and its only one example of a major Clinton mistep this campaign. Obama has made a couple minor misteps, but all in all has run a good campaign. Clinton hasn't.

If the campaigns are indicative of their ability to build and oversee the management of a large organization (i.e., the executive branch of government), then it sure looks like Obama is more prepared to be president than Clinton.

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moderate republican — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:23:41 GMT

yee haw! You stupid dems do it every single time. So you send another John Kerry, Mr weak, nicey, lilly livered girlie man to run against McCain? Boy you guys are sooooo stupid!! Intellectuals by butt!! HAW HAW!!

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Pauli, NY — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:26:38 GMT

Obamas an ex crack user pimp, black power Muslim, turned phoney oreo cookie, biracial con artist. Repubs will take the White House yet again. Thanks!

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I noticed — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:27:13 GMT

"Sticking with this topic, how is Obama going to handle the first time he gets attacked relentlessly for weeks at a time, which is an inevitable thing for any president?"

A "suprise" terrorist attack kept everyone from mentioning what a moron Bush is for several years - should work for Obama. McCain is probably already planning one.

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Ron Allen — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:28:40 GMT

Obama buying super delgates? Ambassador has to say about him?? All desperate talk. I read what the former ambassadr has to say, and that does not surprise me.
Obama has nothing to contirbute to women's rights when he is the one who voted more on pro-woman laws than Hillary? You are way out of touch with reality and you badly need to go back to school!

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Russ Elba, NY — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:30:13 GMT

Now there's something I've thought, too.

Pat, Boston, MA

" bill, okla: Jim Webb would be an ideal vp consideration. To see him and Barack Obama on stage together campaigning would be breath taking.

Talk about change - there it would be with the two of them for all to see. Intelligent, tough, anti-Bush.

Democrats. Real democrats."

Obama-Webb, in 2008. Webb, in 2016. And John Edwards as AG.

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Grace — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:31:17 GMT

I think you could have expanded on the management style more as it relates to Obama. He put a $100 mil.organization together in months. Todate no 'drama". Obiviously better business plan and strategy to win and most importantly he has been a much better stewart of the money that his contributors gave him than either McCain or Hillary. to use a McCain phrase they both blew through money like drunken sailors.

Hillary had no clue what was going on in her campaign and we should trust her to run a huge federal beauracy.."Brownie incompetence version 2"

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nuanced — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:34:34 GMT

Plan A, plan B, I think plan 9 from outer space is next.

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obamawatch, LA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:34:54 GMT

Why should Senator Obama have to worry about ANY scrutiny this campaign season since he hasn't been scrutinized as of today. He's the media anointed as shown by MSNBC's coverage so he's a shoo-in. You won't scrutinize him in the future any more than you have since the campaign started. What a joke!

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Megan, Madison, WI — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:35:32 GMT

In reference to Obama supporters being nasty, I have to point out that every day on the Barack Obama web page we get horrible comments from "drop ins" from the HRC camp. We deal with the best we can. However, let me tell you this. HRC's web page is censored. You cannot post a pro-Obama comment there. You cannot post an anti-Hillary comment there. The forum is moderated. Obama's is not. It's self-regulated.

There are ignorant people on both sides, unfortunately.

As far as Obama's record, here ya go. Compare for yourself:

http://tinyurl.com/25chym
http://tinyurl.com/329zfc

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nuanced — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:36:01 GMT

I heard that Clinton is a dyslexic atheist (from her daughter's side of the family) -- she doesn't believe in Dog.

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Kevin, SF, CA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:36:08 GMT

Mrs. Clinton, release your tax returns like Mr. Obama so responsibly did. What is there to hide? It is time to actively prove your honesty. Do so, and you'll win favor among the voters again.

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Independent Voter, Stuart, FL. — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:38:54 GMT

Jaycee,

Once again I applaud your articulate and well written comment.

I am a Senior Citizen living in FL. I did not vote in the primary because I am an Independent and the FL primary is a closed primary.

However, The DNC tried to play "Hardball" with FL and MI. Well the two states did not capitulate. Edwards and Obama took their names off the ballot in MI because of the DNC's ruling. Hillary did not.

Speaking for FL., if the state was disenfranchised prior to the primary our votes SHOULD NOT be counted based on the DNC's initial ruling.

I have not determined who I will vote for in the November election but I do not agree with changing the rules in midstream.

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Jason, Seattle, WA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:39:24 GMT

We know the battle ahead will be long. And always remember no matter what obstacles stand in our way, nothing can stand in the power of millions of voices calling for change. We have been told we cannot do this by a chorus of cynics that will only grow louder and more dissonant. We’ve been asked to pause for a reality check, we’ve been warned against offering the people of this nation false hope.

But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope…

We will remember that there is something happening in America. That we are not as divided as our politics suggest, that we are one people, that we are one nation and together we will begin the next great chapter in the American story.

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Dave, Boston — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:41:05 GMT

Rapps, Grayslake Illinois said...
"Let's judge Obama by the campaign he has run. In one year's time, he has put together a brilliant organization, served as its CEO, and is on the verge of beating a powerful Clinton machine that had a twelve year head start."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I couldn't agree with you more. Successful people surround themselves with successful people. And the fact is, the president does NOT run the country by his/herself. So I absolutely think that one's ability to assemble and lead a successful campaign is indicative of the type of cabinet one is likely to assemble as president. And in this respect, Obama has shown far better judgment than Hillary, who began her campaign with just about everyone and every resource at her disposal.

...

Ron, TX said:
"Obama clearly has the best defense against negativity. Clinton will be forced to defend herself and counter-strike. >>Obama can point to it as an example of what is wrong with Washington.<< This strategy has worked great with all the mud the Clintons have tried to throw."
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Exactly! People don't realize this when questioning whether or no he will be able to withstand negative attacks. Obama has, by the very nature of his message, constructed somewhat of a forcefield around himself by running as the candidate who is focused on hope, unity and positive thinking. By highlighting and attacking the "politics of negativity", he makes it very difficult for anyone to go negative against him without making themselves look like THEY are what's wrong with Washington. Every dirty, negative attack that is lobbed his way only serves to prove his point and turn people away from the aggressor and towards him. It's kinda like - how do you attack Ghandi? Of course, he's certainly no Ghandi, but you get the analogy: attacking the messenger of a positive message - one that the country NEEDS to hear right now - will only make you look like a douchebag in the end.

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CJ — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:42:49 GMT

Alan, NJ...that is a suprisingly outright lie you just conjured up. That wasn't Doyle that was a Clinton supporter you are talking about. Matthews proded him to acknowledge something positive about Obama's campaign and that is all he was willing to say.

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nuanced — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:45:13 GMT

Z, are you the same Z as the Gonzogate poster or a different Z?

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Don't Drink the Obama-Aid — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:46:02 GMT

Come on guys, OB aka JFK, MLK, FDR, and Santa, has the plan....CHANGE! But what does that mean? It means CHANGE is coming! Ok, but change what? CHANGE Washington! Ok, so how do you do that? We're gonna CHANGE the White House! Well, since Georgie can't run again, that's true, but what will you change? Just trust me, the CHANGE will be good and you'll like it! Well, I'm not buying into this all fluff no meat rhetoric. You are against CHANGE then!

Give me a break....

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California Indy — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:46:49 GMT

All you Clinton supporters talking about the Wisconsin Governor's interview yesterday, here's a question for you:

What are the 3 most important things Senator Clinton has accomplished HERSELF (not "being in the room with her husband, etc, etc)?

As far as I can tell from her own website, it's a pretty short list for a woman who is 15 years older than Senator Obama. One would think she would have DONE a few things, particularly given her rhetoric about "results, not promises."

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Nicholas: Minnesota — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:52:03 GMT

Russ Elba, NY: Absolutely, stick two Democrats with the least amount of 'experience' on a ticket together, and send them up against John McCain. On the other hand, both seem to be pretty well-respected.

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Annette — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:52:50 GMT

Lynette,

What I find amazing is that you are so shallow to beleived that every black person who is voting for Obama is doing so because he is black. Well I'm black and I'm voting for Obama because he brings a new mind set to the politics of old. He makes people, and not just black people, believe that they can trully take part in this democracy. He brings an excitement to this process that has not been seen before. So when you talk about black folks not voting in twenty years, and I think your wrong because black folks put Clinton in office, it may be because there has never been a candidate who has inspired anyone to get off their backside and want to go out and participate in the process. As a women, Hillary does not inspire me. She just reminds me of all the drama we had to go through in th 90's with her husband, who was a liar and a cheat. At least Obama can bring a semblance of decency to the White House. There is a lot more to it than just "being black".

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Megan, Madison, WI — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:55:22 GMT

When Obama speaks about changing the White House, he is referring to his ability to work across party lines. For those of you who might not realize it, things don't just "happen" up there on the Hill. Every bill that is put through is a huge debate. When Dems are against the GOP ideologically and without compromise, nothing gets done. Everyone is on the defensive. They draw "lines in the sand." Obama's ability to talk with people he doesn't agree with without alienating them is one of his strengths. He wants to change the way Washington is run by lobbyists, too. If you don't know what lobbyists do and how it disenfranchises the American people, look it up on the net.

Please people. It's so easy to find information these days. Put in a little effort.

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Blaine — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:55:38 GMT

First of all on the subject of substance, I'll take a combination of Columbia and Harvard over Wellsley and Yale anyday. Secondly, this joke of the Republican Machine will eat Obama alive is simply that, a joke. In case you folks forgot, Republicans have ZERO credibility. NONE. Finally, I'd encourage the Clinton supporters to get out on the stump and help your candidate as much as you can. Since Super Tuesday she's been run over by Obamamania in every contest by a minimum of 19 pts. Later. I'm Out.

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Will, Atlanta, GA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:55:52 GMT

Some verifiable stats for Dante:
From:
govtrack.us/congress

Clinton has sponsored 354 bills since Jan. 22, 2001. She has co-sponsored 1723 bills during the same period.
Clinton has missed 152 of 2406 votes (6%)since Jan.23 2001(1st day in ofc.).

Obama has sponsored 129 bills since Jan.4, 2005. He has co-sponsored 545 bills during the same period.
Obama has missed 185 of 1098 votes (17%) since Jan. 6, 2005(1st day in ofc.).

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sotiredofignorance — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:56:22 GMT

sooo, Lynette, if 90% of the white people in any election are voting for a white candidate, they are voting based on race?

You imply, Lynette, that blacks who vote don't do research on the candidates and pick their candidate based on issues important to them, is that what you really want to say?

Can we take that a step further and using your logic also say that women voting for Senator Clinton are only voting that way because she is a woman and have no real interest in the issues?

I think we are lucky that we have two candidates that offer real choice. I don't want to insult people who support Senator Clinton, I believe that they have done the research and agree with her positions...

but my vote for Senator Obama is based on research too, not emotion.

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Ron Jeffers, Arizona Independent — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:58:18 GMT

So Bush is going to pardon Roger Clemens, huh. If Bush wants to guarantee that Republicans will get slaughtered in November, go ahead and pardon Clemens.

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Kris STL — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:01:42 GMT

Lynette,
as a black woman I am disgusted. hillary is getting lots of women voters too!!!! And please belive if it were Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton running black people would not be running to the polls. Finally African Americans see a candidate that they can stand behind, not b/c he is black but b/c he is brilliant.
Do you realize that in our life time we may never see another candidate of color that has the awsome potential to reach the higher office. If he makes it he opens the door for women as wellas other racial minorities. So excsuse me if I am excited about the possibility of seeing an awsome individual, who happens to have African ancestory achieve the presidency. White men have been voting for white men and systematically keeping minorities out. So thank you for your racist comments. it helps me to know what kinds of mental hurddles Obama supporters are going to have to tackle in order to get him elected

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yetty — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:07:54 GMT

Alan,

If you want to know what Obama has done during his career with the state senate as well as the US senate, here is a list. And sometimes, what you've done in past does not always justfy what you will do in the future

OBAMAS:
Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize. During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.
His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.
In all since enter the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096.

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Alan, NJ — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:10:25 GMT

CJ. Check it out yourself. It is the governor of Wisconsin, Jim Doyle, who has endorsed BO. I hope you have the guts to apologize.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/on-to-wisconsin/1228497344

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here123, NY — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:11:06 GMT

Anyone who thinks that the GOP will not attack someone because they are black or white or red or tan or man or woman or whatever is deluding themselves.

So, honestly, here is a Republican who hopes Sen Obama wins it all. Out with the old guard, they have cost us too much. The new guard cannot do any worse.

Fact of the matter is that the GOP really doesn't care what color or sex you are. We just don't care. A person is judged on their accomplishments, their goals and values. Republicans really are a group of numbers based individuals. If you can contribute, help make a profit, be a part of our community then great, welcome aboard.

I see a lot of flack about conservative blacks, but there is not a single Republican giving them a hard time. We are helping people achieve what they can through hard work. I just find it amussing that black conservatives are somehow traitors to the Democratic party. The Republicans don't see democratic white men as traitors.

So lets hear it for a party that will attack Sen Obama on his record, on his policies or lack there of. Lets hear it for a party that doesn't see him as a black candidate but as a Democratic candidate. And if he can answer actual questions then lets elect him.

The Democratic party can learn a lot about race relations from the Republicans. Lesson number one is that race no longer matters. And people who think it does are holding onto a past that no longer matters. The Republicans who are about to cross over are not looking at race, they are looking at a future. They are looking at a candidate that is not promising the world but talking about problems that need to get fixed. That is willing to listen to a hundred bad ideas so he can find the one good one, no matter who it comes from.

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CJ — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:11:43 GMT

Kris..don't forget...Obama is half white too...for all those racists and bigots out there who incist on marginalizing votes of fellow AMERICANS. I guess Hillary is half hispanic by that logic.

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bill, okla — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:12:12 GMT

Cal. Indy you are so right. I keep hearing Mrs. Clinton talk about being vetted and tested. She acts like she's been running nationally and fighting off republican attacks forever. Boston Pat...absolutely Go Obama-Webb!

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Pat Hayden, Mtn. View, AR — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:13:00 GMT

The only mistake the Clinton campaign made was the failure to foresee the "chill up the leg" Obama produced in almost all of the NBC political team resulting in 24 hour a day Obama campaign propaganda. Hope you guys will "toast yourself" for the Obama victory...you deserve it. Now I can't wait to hear again and again how the loss is all Hillary's fault. Well, I'm still hopeful she can pull it out because she is far and away the best candidate for the job.

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Becky, Nashville, TN — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:24:41 GMT

Jaycee yet another great post! Let us not forget we ARE the voice of Barack Obama - the stronger our support, the more he will be able to accomplish in Washington. You can bet that established politics will be chomping at the bit to prove him (and us)wrong at every turn. And in the words of John McCain, "We Dare Not Let Them!"

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Will, Atlanta, GA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:25:25 GMT

Lynette,

Don't believe the spin on "poor working class, uneducated for Clinton" crap... the polsters went to College campuses and interviewed (as yet)uneducated, unemployed(getting money from parents, student loans etc)higher middle class KIDS in their 20s with stars in their eyes and an unwavering naivetee who love good oratory - YES THEY CAN Obamites.

My wife and I are very well educated w/ advanced degrees & self made professionals each with our own successful companies in a RED state - (nobody polled us). Both of us interview prospective job candidates and have an uncanny ability to see through empty rhetoric and get to substance! When we ask a job candidate where they see themselves in our organization in a year, only an inexperienced recent grad will say, "... well, I hope I can be here, or I have a vision of the future..."

I want to hear, "...based on my experience, training and my record of job performance in this industry... etc."

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david, Silver Spring, MD — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:25:39 GMT

All,

Get this now. 2008 will be a watershed moment - from when CHARACTER and AUTHENTICITY prevails in American politics - symbolized by OBAMA and MCCAIN (at least before he started courting the conservative base). All the fakes and phonies will whither away. ROMNEY is done and so will CLINTON. Check OBAMA.
The man has character, is honest, authentic, grounded, humble to point that he always self-deprecates. Normal Americans of all creed see this and can relate to that easily. No amount of spin from Hillary or the so-called republican attack machine can obfuscate that.

Forget all the issues nonesense. You can talk about all the issues you want but if you are very willing to cut deals with lobbyists and special interests, won't release your records on taxes and your business dealings, people won't trust to handle their business, period.

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Alan, NJ — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:28:38 GMT

Yetty, when you cut and paste from another source try and check your facts. If BO has written 890 bills and co-sponsored 1096 in the 2 years he's been in the US Senate (not the State Senate and US Senate) I'll $20 to his campaign today. According to you in his first year, 2006 - 2007 he authored 152 bills. By his second year when he has barely been there he managed to write 718 more bills (890 - 152 = 718). If I am wrong please send me your source and I'll apologize. Just out of curiosity how many became law?

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Kacee — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:34:17 GMT

Lynette,

I know you claim to be college-educated, but you have to know that the black vote alone cannot elect a president, ask Jesse Jackson. You make no case for why Hillary should be president but just make racist statements about Obama. BTW...all over the country there are tons of people black and WHITE who are registering to vote for the first time to take part in this historic election. So where do you get off claiming that it's only blacks? I guess these newly registered black voters are what pushed him over the top in say, North Dakota, Iowa, Kansas, and Maine or how about Minnesota and Utah. Barack Obama owes very little of his success in this race to the black vote.

Get over it...Obama is the best choice for America.

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Natalie — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:36:29 GMT

I am an African American female, 73 y/o who has voted in every local, state and federal election since I was eligible. I will not vote for Hillary. Two words - Bill Clinton.

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Michelle, Los Angeles, CA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:37:04 GMT

For those of you who keep wondering why your candidate keeps getting negative press, it's not media bias (although I believe the media gives Clinton more attention) it's more simple than that...you reap what you sow. Clinton sows negativity and that is what she reaps. Obama sows positivity and that is what he reaps. Keep running a campaign that is built on character and class Senator Obama and no weapon formed against you will prosper.

Obama '08

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john doe — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:37:28 GMT

Fact Check: Sen. Obama, Exelon and Rezko
2/12/2008 1:31:21 PM

The Obama campaign produced a "fact check" that claimed:

1. Sen. Obama did not water down a bill requiring disclosure of nuclear leaks after pressure from a major contributor

2. Obama did "nothing wrong" related to Tony Rezko

3. There are no unanswered questions about Sen. Obama's relationship with Rezko

All three claims are false.

First, Sen. Obama did waterdown legislation requiring the nuclear industry to disclose leaks after receiving pressure from Exelon, one of his top campaign contributors. The New York Times reported:

A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks.

…“Senator Obama’s staff was sending us copies of the bill to review, and we could see it weakening with each successive draft,” said Joe Cosgrove, a park district director in Will County, Ill., where low-level radioactive runoff had turned up in groundwater. “The teeth were just taken out of it.”

… The campaign acknowledged that Exelon executives had met with Mr. Obama’s staff about the bill…

Second, Obama himself admitted that he made a "mistake" involving Tony Rezko:

Two years ago, the two men were involved in a real estate deal that Obama later apologized for, calling it "boneheaded'' and a "mistake'' because the transaction occurred while Rezko was widely known to be under federal investigation. Rezko's wife paid full price for a vacant lot in Chicago's historic Kenwood district on the same day Obama bought the mansion next door from the same property owner for $300,000 below the asking price. Rezko's wife subsequently sold a sliver of the land to Obama.
Third, Sen. Obama's hometown newspaper, The Chicago Tribune, said that Obama needs to disclose more about his relationship with Tony Rezko:

Instead, as we've said, Obama has been too self-exculpatory. His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004 -- more than a year before the adjacent home and property purchases by the Obamas and the Rezkos.

One more time, Senator:

You need to divulge all there is to know about that relationship. Until you do, the journalistic scrubbing and opposition research will intensify. You should have recognized Rezko as a political seducer of young talent.

Eric Zorn, frequently cited in other Obama "fact checks," agrees:

But journalists are still looking because they're not satisfied that they have the full story.

And that's Obama's fault. At some point early in his campaign for the White House, he apparently decided he'd said all he wanted to say and all there was to say about his dealings with Rezko. He would not grant follow-up interviews on the subject to investigative reporters, and his staff provided written and often inadequate responses to written questions.

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Lynn — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:38:04 GMT

I watched the Doyle interview last night and it was very uncomfortable when Mathews asked the governor to name ONE 9only one) Obama achievement that is relevant. All he could come up with is that he's run a great campaign.
Alan, NJ (Sent Friday, February 15, 2008 10:35 AM)
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That isn't true. It was clear to me that Doyle hadn't heard Matthews's question but once he understood it, he immediately brought up ethics reform and noted that Obama had gotten a lot of legislation passed while in Illinois.

What I thought was ridiculous was the way Matthews chummed up with Lanny Davis afterward and said he had "opened that governor, what was his name? Doyle! up like a tuna can." Methinks Mr. Matthews is so concerned about offending the Hillary contingent that he's leaning too far the other way. It was a ridiculous comment by Matthews.

It would have made more sense to me if Matthews had also asked Davis, "What has Hillary Clinton accomplished?" I don't recall that she has accomplished anything, except being first lady of Arkansas and the U.S., totally failing to get health care reform passed, then winning a Senate campaign after moving to NY and carpetbagging the seat. She has accomplished so much less than Obama during her slightly longer tenure in the Senate. I would have liked to hear Davis respond to that same question. It would have been funny.

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Ed, Syracuse — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:39:49 GMT

The media is setting all of you Obamaicans up for failure. He has NOT been tested at all because everytime someone says anything about the guy his supporters (all of you) play the race card because it's the easy thing to do. Every election you Obamaicans set the democratic party up for failure because you need to fill the void in your life to be HEARD. And this guy does it perfectly because he says "we" all the time and the highly educated Obamacians think that he actually cares about them. You people have serious issues and nothing better to do than blog on this website all day and draw attention to yourself because nobody else will listen to you. WILL SOMEONE PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE OBAMA PEOPLE THEY NEED TO BE HEARD. THEY HAD PARENTS THAT NEGLECTED THEM.

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Dawn, Pittsbugh, PA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:41:08 GMT

Sierra

I think you are a paid campaign staffer for the Obama team or else you need a life. Cut and past all over this web site but we will see right through you.

Super delegates has always existed and the reason could never be anymore clear: To protect the Democratic Party form dummies.

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Kris STL — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:42:42 GMT

Adam of Houston TX you are a enious and true American. I hope everyone has a chance to read your blog and do the research and stop making racist, sexist comments that have nothing to do with the issue.

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Mike, OH — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:44:21 GMT

I'm an Obama supporter, but let me say this Obama's campaign will die a thousand deaths if he doesn't accept the gauntlet which McCain has thrown down and accept public funds in the general election.

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Sierra, SF — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:44:50 GMT

Lynette, NY: '...Sierra, Your post is a ridiculous rambling. who cares?...'

I guess you don't like hearing about the REAL Hillary, do you ?
She sounds like a real louse...
You want HER as your leader ?

sick of cut and ...'...Yaahh Sierra is here with her cut and paste campaign. Go mindlessness yes you can!!!..'

I am STRONG
I am INVINCIBLE
I'm a FELLA !!
[;-D

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:45:02 GMT

Vincent KC (Sent Friday, February 15, 2008 11:18 AM):

Vincent: I could not agree with you more. Frankly, I am proud of the way our youngsters appear to have much less predjudice and bias against persons of a different race then those of the older generations. The young people today are very comfortable around each other (black and white and other races and cultures). You see them at school and on the street corners, in the malls, restaruants, parks, sports centers, everywhere etc. together, laughing, doing their thing and having a good time. They do no think in terms of race as the older generations do. It is a wonderful thing to watch. Good for you young people and good for your faith and hope in Obama. Whether he turns out only to be a fair Pressient if elected, he will be proof once again that the younger generations want to leave the old predjudices and sorry politics of the older generations behind.

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GLBT, St. Louis, MO. — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:46:05 GMT

Lynette, don't forget that the Clintons had a vast majority of the black vote until the Clintons's campaign introduced race into the election. Then we had Bill inject racism into the campaign and walla blacks no longer support the Clintons and are united against them. It's not that hard to figure out. The Clintons will sell out anyone and any group for their gain. They did it real well with the gay market in the 90's. Now we have Don't Ask Don't Tell and the Defense Of Marriage Act. Blacks are lucky enough to have found out and realize they were being sold a bag of goods before she got the nomination. Gays got fooled after they voted for them. The Clintons are users!

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James G., Oak Park, MI — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:49:55 GMT

LET THE WISCONSIN DEBATE BEGIN, SENATOR OBAMA ! THE VOTERS OF WISCONSIN DEMAND A DEBATE IN WISCONSIN.
Larry Brooks, Madison, Wi. (Sent Friday, February 15, 2008 11:17 AM)

Didn't you read the memo? HRC congratulated Sen Obama on his wins and said "I'll see you in Texas", not Wisconsin, TEXAS!!! Why again are you posting this shrill...... Your "state" doesn't matter to her, you don't have enough delegates.

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Will, Atlanta, GA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:50:23 GMT

yetty,

You are mistaken on Obama's US Senate record... he has NOT written 890 bills NOR has he co-sponsored 1096.

He is a 1st term senator since 2005. He has sponsored(not written) 129 and co-sponsored 545 pieces of legislation to Clinton's 354 and 1073... not a bad record untill you see how many votes on other bills he has missed,(see prior post). In the IL state senate he missed or voted present on many more.

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Alan, NJ — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:53:45 GMT

Lynn, The question was what has he achieved in the area of bringing help to the industrial mid-west (the context of his speech that day). I guess Doyle did mis-hear him because he answered that he got an ethics bill through the senate.

I do agree that Mathews and Davis were too chummy afterwards, however, I also thought Mathews was out of line with his comment about Obama's speech going up his leg (and so did the other anchors to judge from their reaction).

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John Q. Public — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:53:57 GMT

When did Rush Limbaugh become relevent in the election??? Who cares what Rush Limbaugh thinks. What pundits from the far left and far right don't get is that most Americans are somewhere in the middle...this is why we are gravitating towards moderates like McCain and Obama. We are tired of partisan politics and the verbal civil war it has created that has stalled progress in Washington.

We don't need another Right Wing Nut Job or a Left Wing Wacko....we need someone in the middle who understands real issues we care about (economy, a plan for ending the war, reigning in health care, and improving education for our kids) and that both sides need to let go of their 'philosophical' principles and get something done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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ATLgirl, GA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:05:28 GMT

Lynnette,

Yes, dear, you are a racist. Deal with it.

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Lynette, NYC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:06:08 GMT

Sierra,

You are a nut.

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Pauline, Champaign, IL — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:10:24 GMT

You can't have it both ways. So many of you make charges of the "gender card" when sexism and misogyny are brought up to account for discriminatory treatment by the media, etc. of Hillary Clinton. But when Obama and his supporters hint at racism, no one says anything about playing the "race card." When majorities of women vote for Hillary Clinton, it is depicted as playing the "gender card" once again, but when the majority of African Americans support Obama, it is considered pride in their racial identity.

Lately there are all these threats coming from the African American community that if Obama is not chosen for the nominee, they will sit out the general election citing discrimination and racism. Well here's some news from the other side: if Hillary doesn't receive the nomination because of sexism and misogyny, many women will also sit out the general election, and Obama will lose to McCain. But, unfortunately, women do not have the same power in Democratic politics as African Americans; nor do they threaten so overtly, so very few realize that women also have a similar loyalty to their candidate, Hillary Clinton

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Will, Atlanta, GA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:17:06 GMT

I understand that many of us are impassioned Democrats - (you can tell which ones are not - they are the ones with monosylabic responses and FOX news stats), but what we are seeing here in these posts is a scratch on the surface compared to what a Republican smear machine will try to do to whomever the nominated Dem. candidate is.

We need to arm ourselves with more than slanted rhetoric to fend off not only these rapid right wing nut jobs, but a media who wants your entertainment $$s in the form of increased market share... these pundits and "reporters" will say and do anything for a story whether it's a warm & fuzzy Obama moment or something with a sleazy Clinton spin... THIS is what Americans salivate for - NOT the Truth, NOT Hope, NOT boring solutions to our Nations challenges - but base emotional fodder to keep THEM(Matthews, Shuster, Tucker, Scarborough etc.) relevant!

Get the facts from reliable, objective sources and keep them handy(and for god's sake... keep Sierra quiet, lol)!

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Rox,Scottsbluff,NE — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:20:22 GMT

So by paying "Super" delagates almost 700K and then saying you won't take PAC money and then stricking a deal with McCain for running a campain on public money gets you to be the Democratic Canidate? Cool I get it. Lie...Paying someone to vote for you is kinda like PAC money. Right? Well heck, you guys just keep on giving Obama your hard earned paycheck so he can keep giving it to those 21 year old SUPERDELAGTES. Wow, now how do you become one of those, cause I wanna buy a starbucks tooooooooooooo.
Buying votes? Kinda sounds like a third world country huh. Like Iraq,Russia,Korea or maybe down in KENYA....Loved he did a radio ad there for his cousin. Who's dime was that phine call made on? Tax payers? Hey, when you are paying all those people for your votes and there are still people sleeping under bridges in New Orleans it must make you feel GREAT. When you have 700K dollars to give away that is your supporters money couldn't you make a better choice? Making good sound choices is what being a President is all about isn't it.
We know he has been a man that has always made good sound choice's,except for that thing about POT and Blow.

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CJ — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:23:53 GMT

Sierra isn't paid...she's been anti-Clinton from the start. At first we all thought she was crazy for being so out-spoken against the presumed nominee, but many of us have been moved towards her position since. This race has changed alot of attitudes.

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Jenn, Columbia, SC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:24:57 GMT

I am an African-American woman who is in total support for Senator Hillary R. Clinton. I am disgusted by the media bias that I constantly see from MSNBC and other networks. It is sad to omit, but it appears that the conservatives, such as Tucker and Pat Buchannan, do a better job of presenting objective political opinions than the so called "liberal media".

As for Senator Obama. He is not Jesus. He is not JFK or MLK reincarnate. He is a man with little experience. And yes, for all you Obama sheep, no disrepect to those who actually follow the issues and not the media hype, but Senator Clinton does have 35 years of experience. She was not simply a first lady waving her hand to the crowds like a beauty queen. She was a first lady who fought for Universal Healthcare, a champion for human rights, and yes an advisor to the former president. The fact that she was such a power house is why she is so hated by those who love to see a woman "stay in her place."

I notice how the media loves to blame the Clinton's for the race card, when it was Chris Mathews and others who first intianted it New Hampshire. They were trying to figure out how he loss...questioning if the good folks in NH voted against him because he was an African- American. It was also the manipulation of fallen heroes, like Rep. Clyburn who pretended to try to calm the winds, but instead simply stirred the flames.
The facts are plain- Obama gives speeches and stirs the heart, but he has not true substance to offer behnind those speeches. He has only now begun to allow people to actually ask questions at his events. while she has done this all alone. People are voting for him because he is the "in thing". Remember fads fade, but classsics remain and they are there for you time and time again. For those who have turned their backs on the service that Hillary Clinton has given to this nation, I say look again. The past is not always negative if you can bridge it to the future and that is what she offers. A true vision and not just fanstasy of self-importance or hype.
My fellow African-Americans, Dr. King did not want us to vote for someone just because they are black. Just like "white is not always right", "black is not always beautiful".

If Obama should win the Democratic nomination, this proud woman, mother,daughter, teacher and African-American will be voting for McCain. So no Senator Obama, you "can't get her people."

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Lynette, NYC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:38:23 GMT

Beautiful jenn from SC, tough to have courage and be your own person. I love that analogy, Obama Sheep. When i see him on TV, I see an arrogant man with an arrogant wife who LOVE that they have all of these people "following the light". Its so creepy, I feel like i will be grabbed off the street to be re programmed.

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aware — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:39:43 GMT

"But the Emperor has nothing at all on!" said a little child. "Listen to the voice of innocence!" exclaimed the father; and what the child had said was whispered from one to another. "But he has nothing on!" at last cried all the people. The Emperor was vexed, for he knew that the people were right; but he thought, "The procession must go on now!" And the Lords of the bedchamber took greater pains than ever to appear holding up a train, although, in reality, there was no train to hold." Hans Christian Anderson "But the Emperor has nothing at all on!" said a little child. "Listen to the voice of innocence!" exclaimed the father; and what the child had said was whispered from one to another. "But he has nothing on!" at last cried all the people. The Emperor was vexed, for he knew that the people were right; but he thought, "The procession must go on now!" And the Lords of the bedchamber took greater pains than ever to appear holding up a train, although, in reality, there was no train to hold." Hans Christian Anderson

Obama is not Mr. Clean but he is the King of Empty Rhetoric.

Hillary the HOPE of 08

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Will, Atlanta, GA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:40:54 GMT

Pauline is right, In 2005 52% of our general population were/are women of voting age.

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Dave In Idaho — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:44:52 GMT

Sierra,SF, You hit the nail on the head when you brought out the stuff about the Clintons and Gores with their security details. How on earth I wonder can people who trust their lives to the USSS treat them like dirt and then excpect total commitment? I have heard this before from federal Law enforcement people. Is this what we want back in the WHite House? All you gotta' do is look at HRC and what you see is something dark and cold and guys' it ain't good!

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srl, Washington — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:45:19 GMT

Anyone want to bet the GOP makes Condi Rice the VP candidate?

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Jenn, Columbia, SC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:48:22 GMT

For all the attacks I know are coming my way, I wanted people to know my race and my gender because I have nothing to hide. Yes, I do know I made some grammatical errors in previous text, but the point is my opinion is as valid as those perfectionist out there. I teach political science and I know all the candidates in the campaign, so no I am not voting fer because she is a woman, but because she is the best person, who just happens to be a woman, for the job. AND YES THE GLASS CEILING NEEDS TO BE BROKEN....

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Jane, Cary, NC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:48:31 GMT

Obama has authored 890 bills and co-sponsored 1096 bills since he entered the US Senate in January of 2005. I'll name three:

Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006

Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-Proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act

2007 Government Ethics Bill

In his first year alone in the US Senate(2005) Obama wrote 152 Bills.

Impressive record by any standard.

Would a Hillary supporter please list her Senate accomplishments - thanks!

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Jane, Cary, NC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:48:42 GMT

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Ron New Port Richey FL — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:54:16 GMT

Chuck Todd's evaluation of Hillary's lack of a plan B is a good point. I've never thought she would make a good president. She would very likely lose to John McCain and that would be a disaster. By the way, Phil Bredesen of Tennessee, Jim Webb of Va. or Chris Dodd for Obama's running mate. Go Obama
bill, okla (Sent Friday, February 15, 2008 11:09 AM

Please make Dodd the the VP candidate, it will be a landslide for the republicans.

McCain 08

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Janice, Eastern, NC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:56:12 GMT

Please....tell me how do I email Andrea Mitchell? It would probably make her gag to give a positive report – or even a fair report on Sen. Clinton. This morning on the Today Show, she wouldn’t even mention the fact that Hillary won New Mexico. Instead she dwelled on trying to say that some superdelgates might be deserting Clinton. Andrea is the main correspondent to cover the Clinton campaign, and all she has done is to constantly bash Hillary since back in December. I am so tired of Andrea Mitchell's reporting, and it is sad that this style of reporting has dominated the campaigns since before the Iowa caucuses. Andrea Mitchell knows what she is doing and many people are swayed by all of the negativity against Hillary.

Furthermore, I so am done with watching NBC Nightly News, Meet the Press, and MSNBC altogether!! I just came here to post this on there blog because I want them to know how some Americans feel. They have deliberately been on a mission to negatively shape public opinion where Sen. Clinton is concerned - and I don't appreciate their activist journalism. They have let Obama just "ride and slide" his way to the top since December. This is an injustice to our society and I don't appreciate it at all. Recently, Hannity (Fox News) has launched a “Stop Obama” campaign and is finally giving Obama some of the scrutiny that Hillary has faced for months. I’ll see what Obama has to say now that some tough questions will be required of him.

This is harsh, but the “young”, first time voters are also getting on my last nerves. This is just a fad to them. They do not have a mortgage crisis, health concerns, or financial problems that people my age do (I am 45). So they don’t care about the real issues at stake and how these things directly affect Americans. They are just going with the flow, doing the “in” thing and going wild for Obama. I wish they wouldn’t even vote this time around because this is not a game! It’s the latest fashionable style to be able to say, “Oh gee, I went to an Obama rally! It was really super cool! Come on, let’s go vote before we go to the mall!”

And for my fellow black people – noticed I said “fellow”. How ridiculous it is of us to think that Pres. Clinton or Sen. Clinton are racists. I am black – so don’t get mad. I am talking to my people. We have LOVED Bill Clinton for years! He was our main man. We had him on the Soul Train awards and BET. Our brothers did the soul handshake with him at every Baptist or AME Church he visited. But now that we see a “black man” running for president – we drop Pres. Clinton like a hot potato and run, run, run to Obama. Not knowing much about what he stands for – except that he “sho’ can preach” – oops …I mean “speak!” Obama has not had even one ancestor who was a slave in this country. He has not lived the African American experience as we have, and Pres. Clinton has been there for us. Where is the love? It sure doesn’t live here anymore! Big deal about the traitor, Oprah. She doesn’t like black men anyway – unless they fit into her Bourgeois, Buppie type mold. If Obama wasn’t her "type" of black man, Oprah wouldn’t give him the time of day. She never paid John Edwards any mind, did she? It was good to me when California and Massachusetts went for Hillary. All the traitor haters had egg on their faces – Oprah, Kerry, Kennedy, Shriver, etc. Even though Hillary lost in other places, I still savored those 2 victories. Blacks in Chicago say that Obama does not dare step foot in the “hood” where many of our people who are voting for him still live. And where is Pres. Clinton’s office? Chocolate City HARLEM! But no…......we still think that Obama is our man now. So to my beloved, fellow African Americans, I implore you to not be so naïve as to fall for all the hype that NBC/MSNBC has been feeding us in January.

People, please wake up. Hillary is still the best person for the job of president. Obama needs to be tested and toughed up more before I can vote for him. It will be hard on him when his “friends” start deserting him the way that they have done Hillary. But she has shown through the years that she can take the heat and keep on keeping on. I really don’t want to vote for McCain, but I cannot support Obama this time around. In these troubling economic times, I need more than CHANGE in my purse. I need SOLUTIONS!

Janice in NC, a 45 yr. old African American woman for HIllary

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:56:19 GMT

Really getting funny - as both Obama and Clinton supporters correctly point out that neither has any notable accomplishments.

They don't. Both are relatively innexperienced, too. And you know what - most presidential candidates throughout our history couldn't say much more.

What's McCain's big accomplishment? Campaign finance reform, which was well intentioned, but now is recognized pretty widely as a badly written bill?

What's Huckabee's big accomplishment? Governor, and who knows what he did there.

What was Kerry's big accomplishment? Longevity in the Senate.

What was Bush's big accomplishment? Governor, and if you come right down to it, he was elected for the political accomplishment of winning a majority of Texas Latinos.

What was Gore's big accomplishment? Sure he had resume, as VP, but did he really accomplish anything, other than maintaining funding to DARPA, for a project that would become the internet?

Bill Clinton's big accomplishment? Governor (again resume, in an electorally advantageous location, but no accomplishments anyone can think of).

H.W. Bush's big accomplishment? Great resume, but no accomplishments of note.

Ronald Reagan's big accomplishment? Governor, and second billing to a monkey as an actor.

Walter Mondale's big accomplishment? sound of crickets.

Jimmy Carter's big accomplishment? sound of crickets...

In fact, you'd probably have to go back to Eisenhower to find someone who actually accomplished anything noteworthy before becoming president.

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Jack — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:58:13 GMT

Ohio Loves Hillary, as does Pennsylvania, Texas, Wisconsin and most of the Dems. Hillary wins big in the big states that are must wins in November, In Ohio, Hillary beats Obama, and more importantly, Hillary polls well in Ohio against McCain, while Obama loses. As Ohio goes, so goes the nation. No Presidential candidate can win without Ohio. It's that simple friends. Hillary Clinton is the strongest candidate the Dems could hope for. Obama is unelectable. Don't be fooled by the media hype of Obama, remember the media is corporate owned (msnbc HAS BEEN PARTICULARLY SHAMELESS IN THEIR 24/7 PROMOTION OF OBAMA AND 24/7 HIT JOB OF HILLARY, CHRISSY MATTHEWS SHOULD BE FIRED FOR HIS CONSTANT, NASTY, SEXIST COMMENTS ABOUT HILLARY) and they join with the GOP to try to take down Hillary Clinton, because they fear her. WAKE UP! VOTE SMART! VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT!!!

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Will, Atlanta, GA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:03:19 GMT

aware,

I wish you had posted in 2003 on our current Emperor! The few who spoke out were deemed treasoness traitors. It worked so well that Bush even called McCain a trator in his re-election bid... WHY would McCain even consider the Republican nomination...? The answer is: WAR. War is ALL he knows... HE wants it for the next 100 yrs! But he also knows that if the Dems are elected he and Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz and other Neo-Con Right Wing Nut Jobs like Huckabee(Google "national igloo")may be FOREVER irrelevant!

Let's also look at the Entire Republican party who endorsed this current economic, financial, national defense, immigration, gun control and national disasters(Katrina etc) MESS as Hans C-Anderson's Naked Emperor!

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Voice of Reason, CA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:04:00 GMT

Remember this, folks:

A vote for Hillary in the primaries = a vote for McCain.

Hillary as the nominee = a McCain White House. Four more years of a Republican POTUS.

Why? Fair or not, she will always carry too much baggage. The necessary Independent and Swing voters will not vote for her in the General Election. And, a nominee CANNOT win the White House WITHOUT Independent and Swing voters. You don't win on your base alone.

Obama has wide, cross-over appeal. He'll get those necessary Independent and Swing voters required to win the General Election (the one that really counts!). We all know this. The Republicans are afraid of him because they know he can win.

Both Hillary and Barack are admirable people. Their policies are extremely similar.

Democrats need to THINK NOVEMBER and vote for the candidate WHO CAN WIN THE WHITE HOUSE. Whether you think it is fair or not, that candidate is Obama.

Vote Obama '08 -- unless you want another four years of Republican rule.

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Emmanuel Winner, Rochester, NY — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:14:21 GMT

To Lynette, NYC: No one among Obama supporters that I know of has asked Clinton to step aside; this is typical of Clintonites to use reverse projection. They accuse Obama supporters of paying a race card Clinton harps on; of not wanting a woman president, as if the war and the economy meant nothing; of stealing ideas demonstrably originating with Obama; of staging Obama's big crowds for the media, when the media ignored his speeches in the first few weeks of the primary. Then there are the myths about how Obama supporters could have voted in Michigan if they'd really wanted to; how the Super Delegates who got their arms twisted by Bill are voting their 'conscience;' how Obama supported the war in Iraq, somewhere, some time, although this is nowhere on record.
The Clinton camp has become tiresome and ugly in their tone, childish in their accusations. Lynette, YOU are why this country cannot afford Hillary Clinton as president. Because politics this year is not about some supposed position of power for a woman and the greater status that seems to lend you - it is about a failed war that has caused a failed economy, and it is about the need for a new voice, a new sense of hope, a change in meaning as well as message.
And I only bring this to your doorstep, because I know Hillary has built your house.
Well, if you need a better residence, and you will, please visit us at barackobama.com

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Sierra, SF — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:14:53 GMT

CJ : '...Sierra isn't paid...she's been anti-Clinton from the start. At first we all thought she was crazy for being so out-spoken against the presumed nominee, ...'

Thanks, CJ
I'm male, Sierra is my last name
And I'm not paid or part of any cmapaign
Just a left wing Democrat
and, no I Don't like the Clintons

Thanks

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Voice of Reason, ca — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:18:55 GMT

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/15/AR2008021500535.html?hpid=topnews

This just in: SEIU Labor Union Endorses Obama.

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Ron New Port Richey FL — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:22:32 GMT

So Bush is going to pardon Roger Clemens, huh. If Bush wants to guarantee that Republicans will get slaughtered in November, go ahead and pardon Clemens.
Ron Jeffers, Arizona Independent (Sent Friday, February 15, 2008

Dont you think he would wait until Jan. 09 to grant pardons, like BC did as he was leaving in Jan 01.
Think before you speak.

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K., Austin — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:23:50 GMT

what's so confusing about John Lewis? Sounds like he is taking the mature/adult about his role in this process. I think you only get confused about something like that if you view this whole thing as a game and not a responsibility.

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Lynette, NYC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:25:09 GMT

Emmanuel, if you read these blogs every day, all day, Obama supporters remark on how clinton should bow out.

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Will, Atlanta, GA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:25:55 GMT

Janice,

Good post... Please look at the Dec. 2007 issue of THE NATION good article on the "Obama Effect"... how he has espoused the Civil Rights issues but has NO link beyond color. Where was he in the 60's when whites and blacks were getting our heads kicked in in places like MS, AL... AND... Washington, DC....dog feces and paint thrown at us in Atlanta and Charlotte?

AND, what does he know of Women's rights, much less the right to choose... does he know what it is like to be vilified as an educated, intelligent but outspoken woman? When was he last called "Mobama" (after his wife)? Or accused of pimping out his kids (on stage) by the National Press?

What we do to those who have dedicated their entire public life to National Svc is worse than what we do to a dog rooting in our gardens! I'm amazed and disgusted, but, motivated to take on these neo-cons in the Fall!

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Ally, New York, NY — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:28:15 GMT

It amazes me how the media is so biased towards Obama. He is their "golden child" who can do no wrong. Noone will risk asking him any tough questions because they don't want to be viewed as racists. I have no doubt that Obama has an important role to play in politics, but that role is not the President of the United States. Bottom line - he is just not experienced enough yet. I do like Obama - but, he needs more seasoning. If he gets the nomination I will vote for McCain.

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Lynette, NYC — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:33:00 GMT

Finding out that you Sierra are male makes some of your posts worse, some of the wicked nasty things you have said about Chelsea Clinton would make you almost predatory.

Its great that you are a left wing dem,but the hatred that you spew in the name of your candidate is stomach turning. I have seen here more than once that not even the Obama camp wants you.

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srl, Washington — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:34:12 GMT

Listen to Voice of Reason--there is no way Hillary could serve a successful 4-year term. The cons have been sharpening their pencils and tongues for just that possibility. And much as I loved his 8 years, I'm just not excited about having Bill in the White House again. The co-presidency rap (earned or not) is just too costly. This is no time to let his ego override the state of the nation.

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James b — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:39:57 GMT

Dear Obama supporters;

The price of imports is up 1.7% Hmm Mr. Obama has been running around saying that NAFTA was a bad Idea. Where do you think prices would be for manufactured goods if there was no overseas compitition to the US manufactuers. The answer is about 5%. Obama doesn;t understand economics and would be a disaster for the country. The story is below. Also, Mr. only have been a Senator for THREE YEARS isn;'t qualified to tackle these issues. Also HRC is ahead in Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania and we are counting Florida and Michigan. The last I checked they are US citezens and will be voting in the general election. Finally Mr. Obam will not win a general election because he only wins Red States which he won't win against the Republicans.

The price of imports rose 1.7 percent in January and was up 13.7 year over year, the highest annual rate since the Labor Department records began in 1983. Fuel costs led the rise, ballooning by 5.5 percent last month. Imported food and beverages also cost more in January, and the price of Chinese goods ticked up by 0.8 percent. Export prices rose 1.2 percent, and American companies are also charging more for food, industrial supplies, and agricultural products. Also Mr. Obama said he was a community organizer. Is that the same as being un-employed. A community organizer sounds like a resume filler for when you have gaps in the resume. Please this guy is a complete rookie!!!

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Gino Arizona — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:40:25 GMT

I'm amazed that everyone is giving Obama credit for the huge turn out to the polls... He's even giving him self a pat on the back... has any one stopped to realize that people are sick of Bush and that's why they are going to the polls???? Yes Obama seems to get people fired up and he sounds so much different than Bush that it's "inspiring"... The problem is, the President has to do a lot more than just talk. I'm glad that we are now getting people to debate who's done what, however we need to remember no matter who gets the nomination they will still have to work in the confines of politics now. If you can't maneuver through them nothing will get done. IF you aren't willing to fight tooth and nail nothing will get done. IF you think all you have to do is make people feel good to get cooperation than you are naieve. Yes Hillary is tough as nails, Yes Hillary is not warm and fuzzy in public, Yes Hillary has now been blessed with President Clinton's past, does that make her any less qualified? This Billary nonsense is annoying... Hillary has never once let Bill tell her what to do. She's a woman in a man's world and I respect her for her tanacity! We have many problems facing us as a nation...problems we can't just talk ourselves out of. Problems that are going to take someone making unpopular choices.

Obama wasn't in the senate when the votes were cast for the war... how convenient for him to say he said no from the beginning... the beginning of what??? He's voted for every measure for the war the same way Hillary has voted... so please explain how he's different... Because he doesn't have to answer for a vote he wasn't in office to cast for??? Please, lets look at the realistic stiuation here... IF Mccain wins the white house we are in for another LONG 4 years of BS... Change is not a magical gift bestowed because someone says it is... Change is manufacutred through hard work, hard fights, and a lot of determination. Clearly Hillary is willing to do what she needs to do to get the nomination because she wants to see this country on top again. She has actual plans to make that happen!

Hillary '08

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CJ — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:41:32 GMT

Will, Atlanta so you want to lump all those against the man just because he admires/espouses the achievements of others and talks of hope. It's called a little thing called inspiration. He isn't the first or the last person to do it. You are just trying to substitute....no, proclaim...your pessimism and bias for wisdom. Looking for chinks in the armor.

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Ron New Port Richey FL — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:44:25 GMT

Anyone want to bet the GOP makes Condi Rice the VP candidate?
srl, Washington (Sent Friday, February 15, 2008 1:45 PM)

I had that thought about six months ago. However, the better choice is (General)Sec. of State Colin Powell. If people want true leadership,there is no better choice for this country. Even a better ticket Powell/Condi how do you think that would do?

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CJ — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:48:33 GMT

I wasn't talking of Doyle..the man who said what you claimed...was Clinton's spokesman on the show who answered Matthew's question at the very end of the interview. Now, we could be talking about two completely different contexts..if so I do apologize.

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CJ — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:56:55 GMT

Janice it's time for a sea change that put us in this mess in the first place. I think "us younger folk" see this as an opportunity to turn the page and begin a change in leadership. This is only the beginning..each election, you will see the politics of the 80's/90's give way to fresh ideas and methods. All the bickering and 50% politics that result in empty promises and partison favoritism must go. Put no faith in one politician...judge them by their actions. Like one person said..both candidates really are reaping what they sow.

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Joyce, NY, NY — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:00:08 GMT

Obama's "new" proposal for a national infrastructure bank is one that Hillary proposed August 8, 2007. ["I’m proud to co-sponsor Senator Dodd and Senator Hagel's National Infrastructure Bank Act that we just introduced to establish a federally-backed independent bank that will evaluate and finance large infrastructure projects by subsidies, loan guarantees, and bonds backed by the full faith and credit of the United States." Rebuilding America speech, 8/8/07; S. 1926, 8/1/07]

His "new" proposal to create 5 million green collar jobs was proposed by Hillary on November 5, 2007. ["And three, to move us from a carbon-based economy to an efficient, green economy by unleashing a wave of private-sector innovation in clean energy and energy efficiency. I believe that will create at least five million good new jobs from clean energy over the next decade." Energy and Climate speech, 11/5/07]

Google CEO Eric Schmidt praises Hillary’s plan to create 5 million Green Collar jobs, 11/5/07: "By emphasizing the connection between promoting a green efficient economy and job creation, Senator Clinton’s plan seeks to harness the power of technology and innovation to address one of our most pressing global challenges…The goal of producing 5 million new jobs can be achieved by private sector investment and bipartisan support for increased research and development in efficiency and clean energy."

In addition, while Senator Obama was busy resuscitating Hillary’s policies, he failed to offer real solutions for the most pressing economic challenges that Americans families face. As Hillary explained this morning, "a plan that fails to provide universal health care, fails to address the housing crisis, and fails to immediately start creating good paying jobs in America again will not turn the economy around and provide the real relief that our people need. We need real results not more rhetoric."

Enough twisting of the facts, Sen. Obama.
Hillary has said numerous times that she would call for an end to the tax code incentives given to businesses that ship jobs overseas.

How does Barack plan to enforce his mandate that all children have healthcare? Go after wages? He hasn't even said. Why not??

In Wisconsin, Barack proposed a plan to improve infrastructure and create green collar jobs, something Hillary has already done. Hilary introduced a bill and has Senators co-sponsoring it. Anyways, to pay for this plan, Barack said the funds would come from ending the war in Iraq.

Is it possible to fund something by ending the war in Iraq? The budget that Bush proposes to Congress every year does not include funding for the war. Ending the war means that we won't go farther into debt. Ending the war does not, however, mean that there will be extra cash on hand to pay for these programs. In other words, if Barack were President, he would have to include these new programs in his proposed budget. There would be no reduction in spending in the budget to account for these new programs. Am I missing something?"

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Will, Atlanta, GA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:22:03 GMT

CJ, baseless "inspiration" is called rhetoric.

We all admire people with guts esp as we sit at our keyboards! My post was to point out his level of unfamiliarity, links to the past here in the US and his inexperience vs. a lifetime of struggle for and with the oppressed, the helpless and the hopeless - minorities, children and the poor.

I have great admiration for Obama, he is a wonderful orater, a born preacher that would make Huckabee look like a snake oil salesman... but less than 2 yrs in the US Senate and 6yrs in local IL politics is simply not enough. Do you know the expression, "a wing, a hope, a prayer and a dream" ? NO SUBSTANCE!

But he does call every criticism an "attack" why is that. Were you attacking me with your post? No, we disagree on the issue of public service. Obama's armor should be his grasp of and communication of the issues - not his rhetoric of hope & inspiration... I can get that from a street preacher or from Huckabee!

Let our 2 candidates have a substantive debate!

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Jerry — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:29:48 GMT

Oh Lynette from NYC, the obamamites can't hear you. We all know that if 90% of whites were voting for clinton they would be saying whites were racist and 'took' care of their own. When blacks do it its ok you know.

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Will, Atlanta, GA — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:45:15 GMT

CJ,

Your youth and naivetee may be showing. We live and struggle in a representative democracy... remember, the neo-cons thought they too had all the "fresh, new ideas and methods" the trouble was they tried to ignore all the other views, ideas and methods. Your views and political passions are also admirable - also remember that no matter what happens between now & March we need BOTH Clinton & Obama to garner all their inspiration & experience to change the state of facism this country is currently in!

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Lee Holmes — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:01:27 GMT

Pat: What Olberman pulled last night was a disgrace,based as it was,upon lies which were supposed to be consumed by the bovinely unwary. In calling the president a ''fascist'' and ''aligned with the terrorists'' in true Father Coughlin/Huey Long style,he missed the target by miles,for,on another network,at the same moment,this one,devoid of the personal rancour as shoveled out by the suave-suited ideologues,but armed only with a camera aimed at the principal participants,Olbermans lie was cast into a more glaring light by the mundane,yet truthful-to-the-core efforts of CSPAN.
Olberman asserted that the sunset provision of FISA was good up until August,and used the leftwinged Ted Kennedy as a strange source to add veracity to the Special Comments primal scream. Further,that telecommunications companies would continue to serve the nation even under retracted immunity from lawsuit in the event of watching ''only al Qaeda ,its associate terrorist organizations,or other terrorist groups bent upon attacking the US or its citizens''.
This was the position taken up by Democrat Sen.Whitehouse of Rhode Island last night in cross examining the Director of National Intelligence,Admiral Mike McConnell during these FISA hearings.
Yet McConnell told Whitehouse he was wrong. To prove it,he brought forth the Office of Special Council to remind Whitehouse that:

''in the event of retracted immunity,these telecommunications companies cannot in any way be compelled to assist in any program designed to surveille suspected terrorist organizations or individuals''.

For the first time in what appears to be an age,Whitehouse went silent,with the cameras focused on the Intelligence Committee panelist staring at the wood grain on the desk before him. For he had been produced with an irrefutable truth. In sizing up the already 40-50 lawsuits already being brought before these companies,and in discounting immunity the consequences of which were instantly grasped by no fewer than 21 Democrats including the nominally liberal Feinstein[D-Ca],no telecommunication company in America would ever play ball again,and we are left with the spectre of 9/11 where the Commission observed untraced,completely unlimited calls between Atta and the Hamburg cell,Miami to New York,New York to LA,LA to Madrid,Madrid to Hamburg,Jakarta to New York,as the planning for 9/11 continued unabated resulting in its zero hour.
Democrats,in thrall to trial lawyers,their dough,their PACS,and their internal muscle within Congress[as Joe Biden can instantly tell you],are standing at the crossroads of another 9/11. Pelosi was correct. There is ''fearmongering''all right,but those in fear are the telecommunications companies,their hundreds of thousands of American employees and stockholders,who await the descending of a squadron of shysters,who will throw their legal spanners into the wheels while in the confusion,another Atta waits in the wings. Olberman thus ,in his role as agent provacateur,becomes all that is wrong with America,and willfully seeks the fate that awaits it in a nation that has lost its ears and eyes.It will be for another commission,another Kean or Hamilton to decry the ''failure of imagination''when another three thousand or more Americans lie dead in the rubble of another great American city.

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CJ — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:11:18 GMT

And Obama hasn't represented any of those consituencies you mentioned? You dismiss it like he has come from a lifetime of priviliage and prosperity. I know what your are trying to say but I can't recieve your statements as any basis in fact..only a already concluded opinion. But I guess people can say the same about me too. 6 months ago I never thought Obama would place 3rd..that he was an excellent speaker and too idealistic or pure to be an effective politician. But then I began to actually listen to him...really listen to him and his positions in debates and talk sessions. Forget the speaches the media likes to play. I can say I was for Clinton until I began to watch the conduct and actions of her campaign closer. I listened to what they have said and the outright half-truths and missrepresentations that slowly but gradually came from her campaign. All I can say it left a sour taste in my mouth and reminded me of the failings of our current president. I am unconvinced of her vision and leadership.

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CJ — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:15:21 GMT

I know you are older and have seen far more than me Will...I'll agree to disagree. I can sum up my opinion in that Clinton can "come along for the ride" but she won't be able to drive the bus.

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Ash, Cincinnati, OH — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:15:51 GMT

The following post is driving me crazy (I'll post it at the bottom). First of all the facts are incorrect. The numbers are way off. Even if they were correct however you cannot compare the bills that Clinton has gotten passed with the bills Obama has sponsored. Its comparing apples and oranges to make Obama look better. I'm not a Clinton supporter it just irks me that people keep spouting off these "facts" and telling people to check them out without checking the facts for themselves.

You can get the real numbers on www.govtrack.us, but here's the BS post:

THIS IS WHY AMERICANS ARE VOTING FOR SEN. OBAMA, AND NOT SEN. CLINTON. SOME PEOPLE ARE COMMENTING THAT SEN. OBAMA DOESN'T HAVE EXPERIENCE, AND THAT HE HASN'T DONE HIS JOB IN CONGRESS, WELL HERE ARE THE FACTS.

-Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term - 6yrs. - and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law - 20 - twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.

These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress www.thomas.loc.gov, but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.

1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.

2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.

3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.

4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.

5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.

6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.

7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.

9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.

10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.

13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.

14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.

15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty. Only five of Clinton's bills are, more substantive. 16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.

17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11 18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.

19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.

20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it, the fact's straight from the Senate Record.

Sen. Obama's Record- During the first (8)eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced...

233 regarding healthcare reform,

125 on poverty and public assistance,

112 crime fighting bills,

97 economic bills,

60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,

21 ethics reform bills,

15 gun control,

6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These inculded **the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law, **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law, **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate, **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law, **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, In committee, and many more.

In all, since entering the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096.

An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no record according to some who would prefer that this comparison not be made public.

He's not just a talker.

He's a doer.

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Margaret, Elyria, Ohio — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:24:39 GMT

Quote from a magazine called "The Nation" Article titled:"The Nation: Obama For President" writen by ."the editors of The Nation"
"This magazine has been critical of the senator from Illinois for his closeness to Wall Street; his unwillingness to lay out an ambitious progressive agenda on health care, housing and other domestic policy issues; and for post partisan rhetoric that seems to ignore the manifest failure of conservatism over these past seven years."

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Ash, Cincinnati, OH — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:25:59 GMT

From www.govtrack.us:

Statistics: Hillary Clinton has sponsored 354 bills since Jan 22, 2001, of which 307 haven't made it out of committee (Extremely Poor) and 2 were successfully enacted (Average, relative to peers). Clinton has co-sponsored 1723 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers).

Statistics: Barack Obama has sponsored 129 bills since Jan 4, 2005, of which 120 haven't made it out of committee (Poor) and 1 were successfully enacted (Average, relative to peers). Obama has co-sponsored 545 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers).