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American Voter — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:40:55 GMT

I smell a rat named the Clinton machine.

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JWHICK — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:41:36 GMT

If you didn't know anything else about Clinton, this should show you why we don't want her as the nominee. The Clinton Campaign is basically planning on winning by means of the superdelegates and backroom deals, which fits perfectly with a candidate who has been nothing but deceptive and secretive. We've had too many years of this kind of politics.

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Nashville_fan — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:45:18 GMT

Um, yeah.

BUSTED! lol

Obama '08

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Sean, NY — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:57:39 GMT

This is what's wrong with the crooks. If she is not the one, she doesn't care what happens to the Dem. Party. I don't get it - why the party members put up with this kind of wicked behavior??

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anyone-but-clinton, Urbana, IL — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:58:40 GMT

I rarely post, but I just can't get over how stupid and unethical the Clinton camp appears when insisting on seating delegates from unfair elections, or having superdelegates override the will of the electorate. If these morons win the nomination this way, I'm leaving the Democratic party and becoming an Independent. They do not deserve our support.

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judesuper — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:01:57 GMT

Just goes to show you that Clinton cares about Clinton winning above all else. Remember that when she tries to pull a another fast one on Obama. So far, it's not working. See we are not stupid, Americans rock.

YES WE CAN!!! OBAMA 08.

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Sem, VA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:05:40 GMT

the same old politics, Clintons!

Well, time for CHANGE has come. Obama 2008

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Steve — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:05:41 GMT

Automatic delegates? That doesn't even make sense. Come on, Mark Penn. You can do better than this.

Obama 08!

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John Henry, Talcott, West Virginia — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:07:06 GMT

"Florida & Michigan - OVER MY DEAD BODY"

Voters in those states were disenfranchised before the election. Not now and not later. Anyone who voted in those states voted with the knowledge they were casting a null vote. And anyone who chose not to vote did so with the knowledge that they were not shirking their responsibility. (Since Obama draws from the educated crowd, you can draw the reasonable conclusion that his voters were more disenfranchised, because a greater percentage of them realized there was no reason to cast a vote!)

That is NOT an election. In America, an election is when you go to the polls with the idea that your vote will count.
You want to seat Florida & Michigan: hold an election.

Until then:
"Seat Florida & Michigan over our dead bodies"

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Geoff in Brooklyn — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:07:49 GMT

GOD. What a betrayal! It one be one thing to fight dirty and low down like this is a true principle were at stake. But Obama and Clinton agree on 99% of things. So, she is doing this for pure power. For that alone she should be rejected. And I believe the nation will reject her for this.

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lizardbox, Chicago, IL — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:08:05 GMT

If the Clinton campaign is so adamant about the contention that "Red States" don't really count, then they should have lobbied the DNC to cancel the primaries and caucuses in those states before they took place. This is revisionism. It's making up excuses. It is not presidential. Simply put, they should put a lid on it and stop whining and figure out a way to win some votes maybe.

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CS, NY — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:08:43 GMT

Tough posturing will mean nothing if she loses either Texas or Ohio. Those leads are evaporating by the day.

All this is is a way to keep her fundraising from drying up. If her supporters think she is losing, it will dry up in a second. She is spending a lot on attack ads, but after that doesn't work in Wisconsin, perhaps she will knock it off.

Desperate candidates call for desperate measures.

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nuanced — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:10:12 GMT

Ickes is well named.

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Kim, Pasadena, CA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:10:27 GMT

This is truly sad. Should Senator Clinton win the Democratic nomination using these non-democratic tactics, how then does she win the Presidency? And considering the damaged nature of the Republican party, should she pull off a win for the Presidency, how does she govern? Senator Clinton would find herself even more polarizing than she was before all of this.

Harold Ickes should allow the voters to make up their minds. If Mr. Ickes is conceding that Senator Clinton cannot win based on the actual voters, the question isn't how she can take the election away via some oligarchic process; the question is why she doesn't embrace Senator Obama and begin planning how she can help his campaign and Presidency. If Mr. Ickes is not conceding this point, he should not be trying to spin rule-breaking as palatable.

We can change this Country and reject these sort of backroom deals. It is up to us.

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HP Boston — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:11:18 GMT

Obama and his FOLKS are as toxic to politics as a FEMA trailer!

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Jane-ny — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:13:19 GMT

I think we have to think not only now but the long term vote. Obama himself says he has to see the people and talk to them so they will vote for him. He is right .Ater his speeches people cannt say what it was he said but they feel energized. It isnt the message of substance and right now it isnt on there minds. He cannt get to all these people in fall. These young students will be out of school some of them looking for work, food, rent and bills that are different they have confronted before. They wont be as energized as when in a group.We cannt tell what will happen in the fall.Our young people are smarter than a lot give them credit for it wont take them long to see the need for someone to be able to handle the problems we will face.Vote Hillary now,dont let it be to late ,later.Delegates are waiting,Hillary isnt out by a long way.

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Obama or Bust — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:13:55 GMT

I can't support Clinton if she manages to win the nomination. It's hard to express how much comments like this sicken me about politics in general. If they successfully take the nomination from Obama, I'm hoping McCain get the wheels back on the straight talk express and I'll officially move from life-long democrat to the ranks of the independents.

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HP Boston — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:14:32 GMT

Maybe Obama the great orator should sit down to a debate and talk a the talk he talks! Hot air in Wisconsin is need to save energy this winter, Obama fits the bill!

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Bull the Dog — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:15:01 GMT

If only Hillary thinks the decision about who is more able to better lead the nation or who is less vulnerable to Republica attacks in the fall is hers and her superdeegates. It will only create ever greater division in the Democratic Party when you have to run a campaign with desperate tactics, which is not what I am seeing in Obama. A divided Demcoratic Party will be less efficient in confronting political foes and may be unable to hold onto power in Congress long, making Hillary's work as a president inefficient in the face of Republican "no" votes. She simply does not have the ability to unite the nation if she is called a polarizing politician.

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Jay Link, Chicago, IL — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:15:34 GMT

I only see the Obama supporters crying and whining and yelling "Foul" because Mrs. Clinton won both Florida and Michigan. If Mr. Obama were slightly behind and he won both Florida and Michigan, you can bet your sweet petunias that they would be screaming racism and all the votes must be counted . How convenient.
Do you folks realize once she wins Ohio, Pa & Texas, Mr. OBama has not carried one major Democratic state besides his home state.
The DNC conventional wisdom will take note of that and elect Mrs. Clinton as the nominee on that basis.
They should also offer Mr. OBama the Vice-President position and they will be unbeatable in November. Put aside you hatred and use common sense, and do what's right for the Democratic party.

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Obama or Bust — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:17:05 GMT

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Mark, Oslo, Norway — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:18:10 GMT

The comments so far are pretty juvenile. Ickes premised his strategy on being even with state delegates in June. Wouldn´t Obama say the same if he were 100 delegates down now?

As far as superdelegates go, they can support whom ever they want. That was the intention since their inception 27 years ago. There is nothing automatic about their vote and they are not bound to follow the vote.

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Bill Johnson, Anaconda, Montana — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:18:44 GMT

Did he say "automatic delegates" or "automaton delegates"?

Go Obama

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ArthurW in Charlottesville VA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:18:44 GMT

I did not have superdelegates with my campaign... they are automatic delegates. Yup, the Clinton camp automatically redifines things like sex and superdelegates when they see fit. This is not the rule of law I want to see guiding the White House for four years.

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Tom, Toronto, Ontario Canada — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:19:20 GMT

The fix is in..I can only imagine what this means that "the Hillary" would do as President.."Those aren't rules mister speaker, just guidelines that we know don't apply to us Clinton's!"

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Mox — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:19:45 GMT

This spin and attacks on Hillary are only to discourage votes for her. It doesnt matter what is true or not. You will take anything anyone says and twist it to your own likeing. I dont think it will work. These people know Hillary and like her. They are not fickel and fly by night people.They also are working people the ones you have been makeing fun of all along. Now Obama is interested in them. They can see through that. Same as the minorities can. I think your maybe the one will be rejected.

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Michael — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:20:20 GMT

Has anyone notcied you never see a person who has been a friend of Obama's or some he has helped in the past like you have with hillary. The republicans want him because of 4 names, Rezko, Giannous, Pastor Wright, and William Ayers. Look at these men and see why Mccain would win a land slide.

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nadeem, Canada — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:20:29 GMT

This is part of a pattern of behavior. It began with Clinton telling students in Iowa not to vote (voter intimidation) then ballot box stuffing in New Hampshire, closing cuacus sites early in Nevada, taking ballot boxes home in New Mexico and now (see below) vote fraud in New York.

The DO anything brand of politics practiced by the Clintons needs to end. The American people can end it.

Now comes Saturday's New York Times Metro Section report headlined: "Unofficial Tallies in City Understated Obama Vote."

According to the paper:

"Black voters are heavily represented in the 94th Election District in Harlem's 70th Assembly District. Yet according to the unofficial results from the New York Democratic primary last week, not a single vote in the district was cast for Senator Barack Obama.

That anomaly was not unique. In fact, a review by The New York Times of the unofficial results reported on primary night found about 80 election districts among the city's 6,106 where Mr. Obama supposedly did not receive even one vote, including cases where he ran a respectable race in a nearby district.

City election officials this week said that their formal review of the results, which will not be completed for weeks, had confirmed some major discrepancies between the vote totals reported publicly -- and unofficially -- on primary night and the actual tally on hundreds of voting machines across the city.:

The Times adds this relevant information: "The 94th Election District in Harlem, for instance, sits within the Congressional district represented by Charles B. Rangel, an original supporter of Mrs. Clinton."

No one is suggesting that Rangel did anything wrong, nor should they. There are many explanations for why vote counts are off, and there are many players in the process -- and Rangel is one of the more honorable of the lot.

What New Yorkers should be asking for, however, is a complete review of the results in New York City, with a heavy focus not just on the 80 election district where Obama supposedly received no votes but also on those where it appears that his vote was far below the level of support that he received in surrounding districts -- and that might reasonably be expected.

Could there be another 8,000 votes for Obama in the 15th?

That's a lot. But it is not beyond the realm of possibility that they exist.

No one, be they Clinton or Obama supporters, should question that every effort must be made to find every Obama vote in Harlem, along with "missing" Obama votes from other congressional districts in Manhattan and Brooklyn.

At issue may be a few more pledged delegates for Obama -- no small matter in a close race for the nomination -- and the broader question of how superdelegates who want to respect the sentiments of their constituents, a group that could include Rangel and several other House members from New York, cast their votes at this summer's convention.

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DJ ATLANTA, GA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:21:50 GMT

I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF A SORE LOOSER MS. HIL!! WAKE UP, I HOPE YOU ARE READING ALL OF THESE COMMENTS. ARE YOU NOTICING THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT WANT YOU AS PRESIDENT! THAT MEANS IF YOU WIN, YOU WIN BECAUSE OF BACK DOOR POLITICS. WHY DO WE VOTE! IT MEANS NOTHING! I WILL DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO GET OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

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gene britton — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:21:53 GMT

Very good. I pity the poor uninformed Obama supporters. They whine and cry and they don't want the Michigan and Florida elegates to count. If the DNC, by some method, does not work something out to allow delegates to be seated.We can kiss the states good bye in the general election and kiss McCain hello! Just put yourself in their place, the voters did not have a say and all they wanted to do is vote for someone. Did not Obama get about 500,000 votes.

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boynla, LA, CA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:22:51 GMT

stop whining oabam supporters. your camp will be saying the same things when this thing is tied up at the end.

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Joe — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:23:21 GMT

when superdelegates are not for me then we should change the rules...
but when hillary wins MI and FL we shouldn't?

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bleat bleat bleat — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:23:21 GMT

Ah cry in your beer boys and girls, if BO had this in his repertoire how happy you would be. Do not fret oh phony ones BO will speak to the heavens above and take care of his disciples. The wrath of God will soon descend on Hillary as ordered by the media moguls. Sexism is alive and festering here in racial free America. HA!

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HP Boston — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:23:38 GMT

Obama and his FOLKS are as toxic to politics as a FEMA trailer!

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anti-msnbc- — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:26:58 GMT

again----we in MI were told to go and vote---4 names plus uncommited were on the ballot.We were told that whoever won the nomination would request that the the votes be counted and delegates seated at the convention.If you truly believe our votes should not count I ask why?Then I suppose you would also give up your right to vote?If Obama had won in FL(his name was on ballot)you would be demanding his votes be counted.Do not blame us blame Howard Dean and the heads of the party.I would vote in a primary again---not a caucus.Please donate the money.We are selecting our delegates to go to the convention on March 29th.By the way the republicans will get half their delegate votes in MI.I ama a precinct delegate and have no reason to lie.

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JH, Phoenix, AZ — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:27:06 GMT

Obama is the future. Hillary is the past. Lets show the Clintons that their dirty tactics no longer work in politics by supporting Barack Obama!

OBAMA FTW 2008!!!

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Tampa — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:27:14 GMT

Is he really a Muslim? He said he has been a member of the same church for 20 years and he is 46 now so where was he for 26 years before that?

'YES SHE CAN'

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Tampa — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:27:36 GMT

Is he really a Muslim? He said he has been a member of the same church for 20 years and he is 46 now so where was he for 26 years before that?

'YES SHE CAN'

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Stacy, Chicago, IL — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:27:42 GMT

Check out this article about Obama's votes being GROSSLY understated in NY. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/nyregion/16vote.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin Unofficial Tallies in City Understated Obama Vote

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Tampa — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:27:44 GMT

Is he really a Muslim? He said he has been a member of the same church for 20 years and he is 46 now so where was he for 26 years before that?

'YES SHE CAN'

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John D, Las Vegas — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:27:54 GMT

Did any of you Dems REALLY believe your party was so much holier-than-thou when it came to what those in your party would do to win election? What Hillary is planning will make hanging chad in Florida look like child's play. Ickes is icky.

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Joseph, WI — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:28:17 GMT

There is a story making its way across the internet and into UK newspapers about Larry Sinclair and Obama.
Tucker Carlson mentioned it on his show yesterday.
Just go to you tube and see the thousands of posts
and now whitehouse.com owner Dan Perisi has offered
Sinclair $100,000 if he passes a polygraph and $10,000 just for taking it. Sinclair has agreed to do this. The agreement is posted up on whitehouse.com. Obama supporters it is worth you time to go check this out. It has gained huge numbers of posts on websites, radio station interviews, and some UK newspapers since Thursday. The Obama campaign is said to be very worried about this.
check it out for yourself.

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Thanu, Chciago, IL — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:31:51 GMT

Ickes is right. Hillary won all the reliable blue states. The red states like Idaho, Utah, Alabama and Alaska is not going vote for Obama or Hillary in million years. Obama is already opening himslef for being portrayed as an old school hypocrite polititcna when he back pedals his pledge to accept campaign financing. McCain will drum beat charge to victory.

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Frank, Kansas City, MO — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:32:24 GMT

Billary would bring her own dictionary to the White House and we would learn again and again about what the definition of 'is' is ..

Nope ... I have been a Democrat all my adult life. I have not voted for the Republicans once - but if Billary would be our nominee, I will leave the Democratic Party and I would vote for McCain in November.

With a choice between Billary and Barack Obama, it would be the end of the Democratic Party to go back to Billary again.

The Obama movement would weigh so heavily on Billary that she/they would sink without a chance in the general election. No question ... do the math.

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JOHNEY — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:32:42 GMT

DESPERATION...One word to describe Sen. Clinton's State of Mind. She can very well be part of Desperate House Wives...ABC

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billy10 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:32:52 GMT

So now the Clinton crooks are admitting that they want to ignore the voters and steal the nomination by controlling the credentials committee and backroom deals with the super delegates. Typical Clintonian scum.

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RENEA,PLYMOUTH,MI — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:34:40 GMT

LET ME GET THIS RIGHT.HILLARY DOES THINK RED STATES COUNT,CAUCUS STATES DO NOT COUNT,PLEDGED DELEGATES DO NOT COUNT,POPULAR VOTE DOES NOT COUNT, BUT STATES THAT DO NOT HOLD OPEN AND FAIR ELECTIONS DO COUNT?

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Girl Friday, Albany, GA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:35:45 GMT

So, let me get this straight . . . if the Red States that Obama won are so unimportant, then why is Clinton even bothering with Texas, a consistently Red State?

I just love it when people say whatever's necessary to fit their own agenda . . .

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Paul Johnson, Brooklyn, NY — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:36:06 GMT

I say the DNC should set a date for a do-over sooner than later. Why are they sitting on their hands? After the nomination comes the general elections! LET'S HAVE A DO-OVER NEXT MONTH!!!!

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AC, LA, CA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:36:46 GMT

HP Boston clearly has NOTHING to say. The Clinton machine is going in full motion and it is a disgrace that she'd rather win than do what's best for the Democratic party. As a lifelong Democrat, I can safely say that I will write in someone else and NOT vote for her if she gets the nomination through dirty politics. I used to think we had to great options - she's making herself look like the clearly BAD option by having her people say these things to the press.

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Patty, Eastport Michigan — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:37:17 GMT

Repeatedly call any person or state who didn't choose you insignificant and unreliable. That's a sure way to win over hearts and minds. Nice job, team Clinton.

A disenfranchised Michigan voter, who didn't vote because I didn't count, but now I do.

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Dan, West Hollywood, CA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:37:20 GMT

You Go Hillary...fight as hard as you have to so as to insure that we again don't put into power a president with zero experience.
You want to lift peoples spirits Mr. Obama...become a preacher. This country has been down this road and although you are no GWB you have yet to be tested and we just can't afford the test drive this time.

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Matt, Ann Arbor, Michigan — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:37:47 GMT

I would challenge you people to stop thinking in ideals. Ideally, Obama has all of these ideas about change, and how when he is president the whole country is going to be great because he is going to change things.

So the guy can speak, big deal? It is an important thing to be able to do (i.e. see current president), but people seem to think he is going to turn around this country in a heart beat. People seem to think if he is elected Social Security will be fixed, the entire education system in this country will be brought up to par, global warming will magically disappear, everyone will immediately get a sense of purpose and motivation, all curruption in D.C. will end, and the whole world will love the USA again!

Next time you listen to Obama, look past the rhetoric. Look at what he plans to do, how he plans to do it, and the outcome of that. In the very least, I think you'll see that he may not be as great as everyone is saying.

Hopefully though you'll realize he is a lot of talk and little action, at least proven action anyway.

Unfortunately though, that is unlikely. Unfortunately, Americans would rather vote on the "dazzle" of a candidate than the intelligence and experience of them. Aren't we smart!

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Kate, Kansas City, KS — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:37:58 GMT

I am infuriated that the Clinton campaign is trying this crap. Of course the delegates from Florida and Michigan shouldn't be seated, my three year old could hear the details of this situation and tell you what the right thing to do is. I have always said that though I support Barack Obama I would vote for Hillary if she won the nomination. Well that only stands if she actually WINS as opposed to STEALS the primary election. If she manages to steal it there is no way in hell I'll vote for her.

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so — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:39:42 GMT

Senator Clinton is sounding desperate. She reminds me more and more of Bush and his "my way or the highway mentality." I started out this campaign by being for Senator Clinton, moved to Senator Obama on principle, and feel more justified daily in that decision. The Clintons have decided that this is their election by entitlement, and will apparently do anything they can to steal it.

Anyone else getting tired of the attitude?

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Steve Blue Collar Salo, McKinleyville, (far nothern)CA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:41:35 GMT

Clinton offers more of the same. It hurts the country and me. Besides, I don't trust her.

Obama may turn out to be no better but at least I can hope.

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Regina Saskatchewan — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:42:17 GMT

I just want clear a few point. How do you call it a democracy when 1 single vote counts the same as the votes of thousands of people who leaver their work and for hours waits in line to vote. I also want to mention that I thought only in communist countries there is only 1 party and 1 persons name on a ballot that don't even counts at the end whsince 1 person alwasy is the supre ruler no matter what.

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Frank Tillery, Chicago, Illinois — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:42:59 GMT

Is this the "Democracy" we want others around the world to see? Is this the type of "Democracy" we want to shove down other nation's throats? How can we expect others to follow our examples? We can and must do better than this!

OBAMA-HAGEL '08

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Lynn — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:43:00 GMT

Obama and his FOLKS are as toxic to politics as a FEMA trailer!
HP Boston (Sent Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:11 PM)

_______________________

And that pertains exactly how to this article about how the Clintons intend to bypass the voters' preference and steal the nomination, no matter what it will do to the party?

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Tom Martin,Margate,florida — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:43:03 GMT

hillary will beat mcaine obama whould get beat bad you obama supporters think he can win florida please not a chance the south will not vote for him, you obama supporters are living a dream

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Kirk, Palm City, Florida — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:45:37 GMT

What is truly sad is four more years of a republican President. If the Dems has taken FLORIDA in the last elections, they would have had the White House. Now we want to tell all of the FLORIDA voters that they have no say in the nomination. Perhaps Florida voters can stay home and see if McCain takes FLORIDA and the WhIte House.
I notice that SUPERDELEGATES Sen Kerry and Sen Kennedy are backing Obama even though the voters in their state went for Clinton. Is Sen. Obama asking them to switch thier endorsements

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Informed Citizen — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:46:42 GMT

Obama Supporters and Super Delegates
February 16, 2008

In the quick fire succession of recent primaries from Maine to Washington State and back to the Potomac, the voters have spoken. Republicans, although with indigestion and heartburn, have said "McCain's the one." With almost double the number of Republican voters, most Democrats have said "yes we can" for Obama, almost half have said "ready on day one" for Hillary Clinton.

Republicans, who like to reward the most successful by giving them everything, have set up a "winner take all" primary system that appears certain to coronate John McCain very shortly and give him the time he needs to heal wounds and soothe fears about him within the Party, and thus enable him to focus his attention on honing his argument against the Democrats for the fall campaign.

Democrats, being more true to the Jeffersonian principles of Democracy and representation of all the people, have created a primary structure that, this year, seems certain to maintain tension and passionate competitive battling within the Party that likely will alienate at least one or more major Democratic Party constituencies regardless of who wins the nomination.

And when it's over, the battlers may have to give way to the established insiders and party elites (super delegates) to make the decision in a political blood bath on the floor of the convention. Jefferson would have been proud.

Ironically, all the current condemnation of super delegates is too little too late -- they were created exactly for the kind of situation we are shaping up to have with Hillary Clinton vs Barack Obama. And when that system was set up, no one complained, not vested core constituencies, not liberal commentators and radio talk show hosts, not elected democratic officials, not Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, not Paul Begala and James Carville, and not Michael Moore and Katrina VanDen Heuvel. And not the New York Times or Washington Post, not Al Gore and Bill Clinton, and not Russ Feingold and Dennis Kucinich. And for that matter, not Walter Cronkite. NO ONE.

And now, all of the most serious criticism of the system comes from those who support Barack Obama. And their reason is simple. They fear that the vote will be too close to call by the delegate count and that somehow, Hillary Clinton would broker and negotiate her way to the majority of the super delegates -- that's why they are calling for pledges that all super delegates vote the way the voters vote in the primaries.

The argument of most of the Obama supporters who want the super delegate structure strapped or at least some sort of "binding" pledge that they will support who the voters support is based on the assumption that Barack Obama will wind up with the most votes and delegates going in to Denver, even if he is short of the total needed for a first ballot victory. Not so fast.

Barack Obama won a most impressive string of victories from Maine to Nebraska to Louisiana to Washington State, all within a short period of just a few days. And he continues to pocket endorsements from well respected elected Democratic officials, from Senator Leahy in Vermont to Tom Daschle in South Dakota to Gov Christine Gregoire in Washington State. And he continues to demonstrate his great speaking prowess and success in fund raising.

But Hillary was just announced as the winner in New Mexico, and her winning there is less important to her than the fact that she did not LOSE there. Winning there nets her 2 delegates more than Obama. But if she had lost, it would have cemented the Obama run with no interruptions, AND, it would have cast major doubt on the viability of the Hillary-Latino alliance as an argument for her candidacy for the general election in the fall. And a loss there would likely stall her closing of the gap with Obama in Wisconsin. As things stand now, Hillary is 4-5 points behind Obama in Wisconsin and could close the gap further.

But here's where it gets interesting. All the pundits say Hillary not only has to win Ohio and Texas and then Pennsylvania, but she has to win big. And right now, I see Hillary winning all three of those states and winning them by 8 to 12 point margins. In those states, that's big. More significantly, it would likely put her back on top of the total vote count and with the delegate count as well.

And if nothing changes after that significantly (we all wait for Puerto Rico), it would then be the Obama supporters who would then argue that the super delegates should vote for who they think is the best candidate and can win in November etc, and that they should not be bound just by who won the most votes -- the argument they are making now.

And there's one other potential surprise that could have a major impact on this race. I believe it is likely that John Edwards may endorse Hillary Clinton for the nomination over Barack Obama. And if Edwards does so, I believe it would be for three reasons.

First, I think Edwards may conclude that Clinton is the tougher candidate to both fight in the fall campaign and to fight back against the insurance and oil companies once she were in the White House. Second, I think Edwards may conclude that Hillary's healthcare plan will come closer to accomplishing his goal of true universal health care that he feels so committed to and passionately about. And third (and this one will not be so openly discussed), Edwards was born in South Carolina and represented North Carolina. I believe he may conclude that there is a planned "southern and mid-states strategy" that Republicans and Swift Boat type groups will utilize in the fall campaign that will make it tougher for Obama to actually win versus Hillary's chances to actually win.

Finally, I believe that if Edwards is going to do this it will be soon as he knows he has, outside of Iowa, his strongest populist-middle class support in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin to a lesser degree. Consequently, he will want to have his endorsement really make a difference -- and with those primaries looming, if he does make this endorsement it would likely be sooner rather than later.

With the points I made earlier that suggest that not only is Hillary not out of this, but in fact, she may wind up ahead by June in both vote count and delegates, and then you combine that with the possible impact of a John Edwards endorsement were it to occur, then look for the Obama supporters to flip-flop on their current position concerning the super delegate structure and "change" their position to some other criteria to request votes from super delegates. If in a competitive battle both sides hate the super delegate structure, there may very well be a strong argument for leaving things just the way they are!

If events happen as outlined above, and I believe they will, come this summer at the Democratic National Convention in Denver, Obama's ability to request votes from super delegates will have been mortally wounded by the current position that he and his supporters are now exclaiming in February. Can anyone say flip-flop?

I love it!

I can totally see the Obama supporters flip-flopping on the super delegate structure! HAHAHA!

Obama and his supporters claim they want the super delegates to vote the way the people did, but they would have John Kerry and Ted Kennedy voting for Barack Obama, despite the people in Massachusetts voting overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton.

Obama and his supporters position on the super delegate structure is easy to expose for what it is: the ultimate FLIP-FLOP!!

Vote Hillary Clinton for President!

www.hillaryclinton.com

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brian — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:47:41 GMT

Why does the Clinton campaign dictate the news? Everyday I see news stories with content primarily lifted from conference calls with Clinton's campaign and press releases from Clinton's campaign. The Clinton campaign has even designated press releases as self-proclaimed "breaking news" and the medie carry it.

I am very uncomfortable with this attempted manipulation of the media. It reminds me far too much of the way the media was manipulated by the Bush administration in the months before the Iraq war.

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tashekor, NYC — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:50:28 GMT

"Automatic Delegates" is a hop, skip and a jump from the "Healthy Skies" initiative and "we do not torture." Might work on Republicans, but it hasn't worked on Democrats in eight years.

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Anne Harrison, San francisco, CA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:52:01 GMT

The primary difference between Clinton and Obama is integrity. This is yet another example of Hillary Clinton's willingness to bend, twist and break the rules for political experience. She agreed with the DNC that these states would not count and because of this the lesser-known Obama refrained from campaigning in FL and even withdrew from the MI ballot with Edwards per DNC instructins. He abided by party rules and so did she at the time. Now that she is desperate to steal this election anyway possible, suddenly she is the humanitarian fighting for voting rights??? How false can you get. Let FL and MI caucus or vote on the web if it is too much trouble to caucus. And note this: without counting 'superdelegates' obama still wins, even if Hillary cheats with Florida and Michigan'd 'fair' elections. Do the math!!!

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Chris Salzmann — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:52:06 GMT

More spin coming from the Clinton campaign. She's going to lose Wisconsin and Texas. The only upcoming state she's going to win (and it will be close) will be Ohio. PA will also be very close, going either way. Obama's going to have a huge lead in pledged delegates and the Super-Delegates are going to start moving to Obama's camp in huge numbers. If Obama has a big lead in pledged delegates, Hillary and all her spin machine won't stand a chance. The Supers will go with the front-runner.

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John, Virginia — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:53:11 GMT

Does she really believe that just because she is Hillary Clinton that all superdelegates should just vote for her? Automatic only for her, but not for Obama. Is this what we want in the White House?

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anti-msnbc- — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:55:35 GMT

I keep reading that Obama helped the people in Illinois that were losing their jobs and shutting down factories.What happened and how come these things were not taken care of?Whay are there still no jobs and shttered factories?Please answer as so many of you are experts on the feats of Obama.

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tina — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:56:20 GMT

obama cult is getting really creepy. It is becoming almost like Jihadis. That is how jihadis blow themselves up with a same chant YES WE CAN!!! trying to reach heaven where 7 angles are waiting for them.

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Susan, Falls Church, VA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:57:27 GMT

nuanced - You read my mind! Ickes has the perfect name as the rep for this Clinton group! They are truly "icky!"

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Ann — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:01:23 GMT

Wouldn't reinstating the delegates from Florida and Michigan in an effort to avoid disenfranchising their voter essentially disenfranchise the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of voters in both states who did not vote because the DNC AND Hillary both told them that the primaries were "beauty contests" and would have "no meaning whatsoever"? Is that not extremely disingenuous to tell people that and then later demand that the "meaningless" contests be counted, just because you find that you're now behind?

It's a dirty, deceitful trick. I hope both states get to hold do-overs, but if not, the delegates should not be seated. If Hillary will not honor the rules of her own party, who's to say she will honor the rules of the Presidency as laid out by the Constitution?

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Edward Smith Mountain Home AR — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:01:26 GMT

Typical Clinton politics. If you can't win honestly
then win; no matter what you have to do. You have to admire the unmitigated gaul of the Clinton machine.
I wonder what she will come up with for her next message/slogan. She doesn't have much record, and her
experience is very lacking. The last debate was just
a waste of time and drew little distinction. She should pack it up and go back to New York with her
tail btween her legs. And take lyin' Slick Willy with
her!

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Hector Benitez, Houston, TX — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:04:34 GMT

If and when the Clinton's income tax filings are made public - which they have refused to do - and the suspected super-funds from the super-Saudis are revealed, this will be a disaster if done after the nomination. We also want her White House papers released, over which Bill has exerted executive priviledge. Something stinks here! The super delegates should be sensitive to these vital issues before we get locked into a horrid nomination that will give McCain the presidency.

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Angel, Spring — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:04:38 GMT

The DNC allowed the Republican Party control the Democratic primaries since the Michigan Supreme Court and the Florida Legislature, both Republican, approved the date of both primaries.

While the Republicans punished FL and MI cutting their delegates in half, the DNC went to the extreme measure of eliminating all delegates.

With the DNC counting all the MI and FL delegates, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama would have similar number of pledged delegates close to 1130 (excluding Super delegates).

The GOP is laughing all the way engineering in part the fight which is alienating Democratic Party voters to the benefit of John McCain in the general election.

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Robert, FL — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:04:40 GMT

The DNC should just pay for the costs of another primary in Michigan and Florida.

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Jeff C. — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:06:35 GMT

If the Clintons' choose to fight to the convention . . . and the Michigan and Florida delegations are seated . . . and if this tactic plus the superdelegate tally provides Sen. Clinton with the winning margin; then I will not support another Democratic Party candidate in my lifetime.

I am a democratic-leaning registered independent that has been consistently put off by the lowbrow nature of our politics. Mr. Ickes statement is almost a perfect encapsulation of everything I despise about our political discourse. It has to change or the Democratic Party will lose an entire generation of young Americans.

I've read quite a few critical comment about what is perceived as a "take our ball and go home" mentality of some of Sen. Obama's younger supporters. Characterize it however you like, it is a reality that we have been disengaged from our system, mostly because of the gutter political style and utter contempt for our intelligence perfectly on display in Mr. Icke's comments.

I think I'll go give a few bucks to Sen. Obama now.

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guy johnson — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:07:23 GMT

You want change? you will see change if that kid obama gets in the white house, you will all be out walking the streets looking for jobs, plus eating at th soup kitchen.

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CitizenJ — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:07:44 GMT

Clinton's best wins have come in Florida (a state made up of Northeast transplants, and where nobody campaigned), and Michigan (where she ran against some guy named "Uncommitted"). That is one hell of a strong candidate.

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HP Boston — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:08:31 GMT

I am very uncomfortable with this attempted manipulation of the media. It reminds me far too much of the way the media was manipulated by the Bush administration in the months before the Iraq war.
brian (Sent Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:47 PM)

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Exactly Brian...the drums are beating!

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Rick,ky — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:09:41 GMT

Obama and his FOLKS are as toxic to politics as a FEMA trailer!
HP Boston (Sent Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:11 PM)

By what you post on here seems like you've been living in one of those trailer's for way to long. Get out & smell some fresh air.

Barack Obama for President!!!!

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Jon, Nashville, TN — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:09:54 GMT

So all of those Obama supporters, I assume that you would like to disenfranchise the 1.7 million voters in FL and over 1 million in MI?? It doesn't stand to reason that we should discount this portion of the electorate b/c these states will be crucial in the general, regardless of who the nominee is. Not counting MI and FL could discourage these voters from participating in the general. You can bet your last two dollars that Obama supporters would want these votes counted if he had won. Obama essentially ran a campaign in MI it was an anti-Hillary campaign in which he encouraged supporters to vote "uncommitted" in an attempt to embarrass Sen. Clinton (of course the Obama-loving media never made an issue of this.) I think the election should have a chance to play out and the MI and FL votes should be counted. At the end of the day if Sen. Obama is still ahead then he'll become the nominee if not then the more competent Sen. Clinton will be the nominee. I hope the electorate wakes up and realizes that we are facing radical terrorists, a failing economy, broken healthcare system, social security system soon to be in the red, lack of border control, no implementation of 911 Commission recommendations to ensure adequate homeland security and on and on. I want a president with the experience and proven track record to lead in these perilous times. I think Sen. Obama is a wonderful orator but that doesn't equal experience or proven track record. On the stump you'll hear a lot of positive enthusiasm about bringing the right and left together but do you honestly think that the right will embrace the most liberal-voting senator with weak policy positions? Sorry not going to happen. Sen. Clinton not only has a proven track record of bipartisan accomplishments she knows how to stand her ground and live to fight another day. Clinton is one tough and capable chick.

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David, Hedgesville, WV — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:10:50 GMT

I did believe in the cliton's but they are just as bad as Bush and his people. Bill just can't stand the fact that black man has a legit chance to beat his wife and become President. I can live with a up and down vote, may the best woman or man win.But if they do use tricks. I feel that Dem party will never be the same.

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Dave, Evergreen CO — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:12:02 GMT

Don't read too much into these comments, John Edwards was saying the same thing a week before he dropped out. I can't imagine Hillary Clinton is willing to rip apart the Democratic Party for her own personal ambition. Surely even she is starting to see that Barack Obama has started a movement that has the ability to truley change thic country and the world. She can't have that big of an ego.

Can she?

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Chris Salzmann — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:12:25 GMT

Tampa wrote<<Is he really a Muslim? He said he has been a member of the same church for 20 years and he is 46 now so where was he for 26 years before that?

'YES SHE CAN'>>

If that's the best argument you have against Obama, your Hillary is toast. As someone said, I'm sure there's a place open for her on Desperate Housewives.

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Dave, Evergreen CO — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:12:58 GMT

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Bob Auman, Raleigh, N. C. — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:13:10 GMT

Wonder if Barbara Boxer has remained neutral thus far because Hillary's brother, Tony Rodham, has fallen behind on making alimony and child support payments to his ex-wife who is Sen. Boxer's daughter? Bob, Raleigh, NC

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loris bay — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:13:47 GMT

This is an excellent reason why Hillary Clinton should not be president. She is crooked,Schemimg, and will do any thing to win, even selling her soul. Actually this is a scamm. What they are proposing is an insult to all, not just to Obama. If they are willing to break the rules during the campaign, what will they do if they get elected? They really think the American people are fools.How can she talk to us about what matters for our children and families with this kind of behavor? Any promises she makes on the campaign trail, dont belive them. She is just saying what she thinks will get her votes. She has totally discredited herself. This sounds like some kind of weird movie or work of fiction. After this, every thing she says should be discounted and dismissed. The sad thing is they really dont understand that they keep digging a deeper hole for themselves. Voters who are undecided can see what kind of dishonest person Hillary is and vote for the person who makes us all feel proud to be Americans.

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sean, malvern pa — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:13:57 GMT

I keep reading for a push to seat Michigan delegates, but can not for the life of me understand how that could happen where only the candidate who thumbed her nose at the party rules by placing her name on the ballot could benefit. How does a candidate who didn't "run" get fair treatment, when those who might have voted for him or them had little incentive? And how would votes of "uncommitted" for the little they're worth be allocated among the candidates who honored the rules? While I can understand the frustration of the Michigan voters who either didn't vote or whose votes don't count because of this controversey, but it makes no sense to retroactively pretend a real election took place.

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Craig, Cortland, NY — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:14:28 GMT

And the list of ploys and backroom deals by the Clintons goes on and on and on...ad nauseum. She is desperate..her campaign is in free-fall and she is grasping for every vote she can get...by fair means or foul. And this is a person who claims to be ready to lead from day one? She can't even lead her own campaign team.

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onmyownground — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:15:17 GMT

FYI

The newspaper Sen. Obama cites in continuing to misrepresent Hillary's record on trade wrote that "Obama's use of the citation does strike us as misleading..It's an example of the kind of slim reeds campaigns use to try to win an office."

Wish we would have more debates on real issues.

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Matt, santa Barbara, California — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:20:23 GMT

How can Hilliary Clinton expect to be trusted and be able to bring the country together if all she and her supporters have ever tried to do is subvert democracy and the electoral process. Why does she need to use dirty tricks for somebody who is said to be very smart and competent. She said she found her voice in New Hampshire and yet her husband goes around the contry makng her case, while distorting her opponents records. They go around injecting race, gender, "victimhood",...People are sick of it, and so am I.

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Richard, Kirkland, WA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:24:41 GMT

It sounds like the Clinton camp is playing Rovian word games.

I think that the people known as "pledged delegates" should from now on be known as "elected delegates."

The people known as "superdelegates" should from now on be known to as "unelected delegates."

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Ron Allen — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:26:30 GMT

Jay L,
You can count on Hillary only if you love politicians who divide the nation and if you are too blind to open up to reality. Hillary is trying to change the rules in Florida and Michigan even though she agreed to the rules last year and understood that if these two states changed their calendar, they are in violation of party rules. But of course they will vote in November.
Also, you seem to clearly condone distorted facts, lies and desperate campaign tactics. You have to udnerstand that Hillary is the establishment candidate and should have been expected to win in states where there are more registered Demcorats than not, and that is why she won CA, NY, Mass., etc. You should also remember that she was expected to win 20 of the 22 nominating contests on Feb. 5, yet Obama won 13 of them.
You need to wake up and stop being an accuser wth no substance.

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Jane, NC — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:27:00 GMT

Pundits are debating the issue of "delegates" vs. the "popular vote." Well, the RULES say it is the number of DELEGATES that count. The DNC has gone the extra mile in past years in making sure the delegates are apportioned out in a fair manner. They don't condone "winner-take-all" contests. So it seems that this philosophy would transfer to this question about "delegate count vs. popular vote count." If the popular vote count were given preference could it not favor someone who happens to be from a very populous state - or have some other strong connection to other populous states - which would give that person more actual votes, but not be an accurate representation of their overall appeal across the country? We still - rightly or wrongly - are bound by the Electoral College in the general election. It doesn't matter if someone wins a state in November by ONE vote - or ONE MILLION votes - they only get a set, finite number of Electoral votes. So the goal is to win as many different states as possible. We all know that both Obama and Hillary will win TRADITIONAL DEMOCRATIC states like NY, MA, NJ, and CA. The difference is that Obama has shown he can be really competitive in Swing states like Missouri and Iowa - and in GOP states like Kansas and Nebraska. If the decision as to who the nominee is is based solely on the "popular vote" from the primaries and caucuses, it is possible that Hillary could be slightly ahead because of populous states like NY and NJ. BUT - Obama will lead in the Pledged Delegates won which will be a more accurate gauge of who could do well in the most states in the fall. So, whoever wins the Pledged Delegates is the better nominee for the Party as that total more accurately demonstrates who has the broader appeal across the country.

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iowan — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:28:19 GMT

Is he really a Muslim? He said he has been a member of the same church for 20 years and he is 46 now so where was he for 26 years before that?

Tampa--

Respectfully suggest that you read over the parable of the workers in the vineyard (Matthew 20:1-16). Seems the guy that began the Christian movement seemed to believe that no matter how late one comes to the party, that person receives the same measure of grace as does those who have arrived quite early. Note the chastisement of those who believed themselves 'entitled to more' because they arrived early. (Prodigal Son reflects the same theme.)

Think about it. And tell your 'conservative' friends, too. And respond in kind to the 'hate e-mail' when it comes to your state.

Good luck to you.

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Richard, Kirkland, WA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:29:36 GMT

Does anybody seriously think that New York is going to vote for McCain?

Didn't think so.

Not only that, but the arguments are wrong on the facts. Washington state, Illinois, and Maine are all considered "blue" states, probably along with several other of Obama's victories. Really, the spin from the Clinton camp is amazing. If the Democrat's strategy is to win New York and California and ignore all of the unimportant places, then Senator McCain will have a nice snooze into victory.

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Stacy, Virginia — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:29:55 GMT

Obama is the candidate of Style and Substance. If a person believes that he doesn't have experience, something is lacking in them not Obama. Being a voter requires participation, the world will not spoon feed you the truth but you can get plenty of soundbites. The Clinton's have made inexperience stick even though it isn't true and many of you just go a long for the ride. I understand why they do it.....I don't understand how you can proudly display your ignorance.

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4Obama since 07 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:36:10 GMT

This kind of spin and sneaky behavior is SO "Clintonesque" .... next Harold will be debating what "Is" is while wild Bill will be chasing skirt on the campaign trail.

Just 90's politics dated and why Obama is needed.

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Nicholas: Minnesota — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:37:11 GMT

So, so much hypocrisy ...

Anyway, changing the name doesn't actually change the function or anything about the delegates. A rose by any other name ... Automatic is actually far worse of a name, because first, it doesn't make grammatical sense, and second, automatic implies they are beholden to a given candidate--super implies they can switch. Super is more accurate.

Nuanced: I'm assuming his name is pronounced Eye-ckes.

I'm not sure why the Clinton campaign wants to be viewed as so desperate. I'm also not sure why she wants to be viewed as somebody willing to cheat to win.

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Scott, Tampa, FL — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:39:25 GMT

It is truly shameful that Hillary Clinton is trying to get the delegates from Michigan and Florida seated. Her "victory" celebration in Florida was just silly. I voted for Obama in the Florida primary and will vote for him again in the general election. I cannot and will not vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election, should she win the nomination (which, thankfully, is looking less likely by the day). Obama is inspiring, he is growing the Democratic party and he will soundly beat John McCain in the general election. Hillary Clinton... Jeez, I really don't understand why anyone is voting for her. Four more years of Clinton after 20 years (!) of Bush-Clinton-Bush? People really want that?

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Ellen, Tallahassee, Florida — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:39:26 GMT

The Florida Democratic primary can't be valid for 3 reasons. First, Democrats were told that there votes would not count. Second, none of the Democratic candidates campaigned in Florida. This disadvantaged Barack Obama, the least known of the remaining candidates. Third, the main reason many Democrats voted in the primary was to vote on a property amendment that reduced property taxes to homeowners. This amendment favored property owners with homestead exemption and would therefore draw an older block of voters who are homeowners. Younger voters would have much less interest in voting on this amendment and would likely have opted out of the voting process. This would also disadvantage Barack Obama who is drawing younger voters than Hillary is. It would be interesting to see a breakdown in voter age and ethnic turnout to see how it compares with other states with recent Democratic primaries. I am guessing there were proportionally more of the older white crowd even though the turnout may have looked good. This was a setup (intentionally or not) that favored Hillary. It would be wrong to use this vote count to designate delegates at the national convention in Denver. Florida deserves another primary or caucus to determine its delegates.

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Matt — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:39:28 GMT

I'm a Dem, but if Clinton get's the nomination i won't be voting for her. I WILL write in Obama.

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Carol, Mercer, Pennsylvania — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:49:10 GMT

I agree with you, Kate in Kansas City. No way I'd vote for Clinton if she actually resorts to STEALING the nomination.

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Patrick, Indianapolis — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:52:01 GMT

Hillary Clinton is by far the most pathetic, disgusting, embarassment to the Democratic Party ever. She is a liar, a cheater, and a hack. Her campaign makes Bill Belichick look like an angel. If Hillary gets the nomination, not only will I campaign and vote for McCain, I will leave the Democratic Party and not become an independent, I will become a Republican. I cannot wait to see Clinton lose in November so she and her miserable husband can be blamed for the destruction of the modern Democratic party. Way to go Hillary! You make Putin look wonderful!

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Jeannie, Lakeland, Fl. — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:56:52 GMT

Who car's about those red States,they will still be red in November. So I guess that will put Obama as the loser since he can not win that many blue States.

You go Hillary, about time you started fighting back against that racist, no plans, no ideals, in the debate just agree with Hillary.
Say's he didn't vote for the war, I guess he didn't, he was not even in the Senate to vote. But he sure has voted enought in 2 years to fund this BS war. Give me a break. He is so full of inspiring everyone and thinks know one can see through him. WRONG

HILLARY or McCain

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sean, miami beach — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:58:29 GMT

I'm from Miami Beach. I moved back to spend winter in CT so that I could vote for Obama because FLORIDA DELEGATES WERE NOT TO BE SEATED. I'll be back in Florida March 1st, and if those delegates count after many of my fellow Floridian friends did not vote when we were told it would not count [not to mention Michigan where she was the only name on the ballot] I will personally start a grassroots campaign for John McCain.

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Tyler Juice — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:58:35 GMT

The Democrats will be so split by the convention, they won't win a local dog catcher election, let alone the Presidency.

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SharonAustinTX — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:02:34 GMT

Have you noticed that Clinton doesn't even say thank you to the volunteers that helped her in the states she doesn't win? And she discounts the value of the voters by saying that the states she doesn't win don't count.

After Super Tuesday and the Chesapeake primaries, she never thanked Obama until several days when -- I heard the talk show hosts discussing her not congratulating her opponent. They said it was just manners ... like when you were young and played softball and lost, you went and shook hands with the losing team.

Maggie Williams, her new campaign manager, is really a deceptive (loyal) person ... have you notices the negative ads are picking up since she joined? Their new strategy is to promote incendiary attacks (according to the NY Times).

But Obama has said he will respond and counter with the truth every time. She's put on the gloves and Obama will win because he has more integrity -- campaigning is an example of how you will govern.

Texans for Obama!

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Norma, Brooklyn, NY — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:12:14 GMT

It's time people get over their hatred of the Clintons. Hillary is a strong woman. We have seen strong women leaders (Indira Ghandi, India; Margaret Thatcher, England, Golda Meir, Israel; Eugenia Charles, Dominica, and so many others). What's wrong with the USA; why we cannot see that a woman can be president and a good one at that. Politics all over is what it is "dirty"; regardless of the country. Obama is smooth, slick, syrupy. He has been anointed our rescurer by the media. Look beyond his speech, glossy words/phrases. Where is the substance to what's he's espousing. We will get what we wish for in Mr. Obama all right--he and his supporters would like us to think he's "virginal", "pure". A black or white President does not matter; what matters is who can do a better job----Mr. Obama may be ready down the road, but not now. Wake up and stop listening to cliches.

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JW — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:14:09 GMT

Desperate.

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IndependentTexasVoter — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:14:25 GMT

Said it before. More true than ever:

This could work out very well for McCain. Obama goes to the convention with momentum and a plurality of the regular delegates. The Clintons politic their way to the top by arm twisting the super delegates and gain the nomination.

What happens to all those enraged and disenchanted Obama loyalists? Do they fall in line for the Democratic party?

No way. First of all they'll feel screwed over. They would rather sit out than vote for the Clintons.

And second a lot of them are independents. What's to stop them from pulling the lever for McCain, the maverick with a history of calling his own shots and refusing to toe the party line?

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dotdotdot, los angeles, ca — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:15:34 GMT

To respond to the multiple posts that say that Obama would be making the same argument about seating MI and FL if he were trailing:

Quite simply, we don't know that. We do know, however, that HRC is making that argument, and it's an ugly and cynical one. Voters are responding to that.

Now, if situations were reversed, I have a hard time imagining that Obama would make the argument simply b/c it flies in the face of his campaign theme and would rightly be called hypocritical.

The only thing we know for sure is that HRC *is* playing this card, and many voters are negatively judging her character because of it.

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Steve K — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:17:26 GMT

Her campaign tactics are starting to make her look more like a Republican than most of her voting record does.

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Eric, Newtown, PA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:21:13 GMT

How embarrassing for these people. I bet none of them believe themselves what comes out of their mouths these days. It looks like Hillary's destined not just to lose, but to go down without any dignity left.

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Richard Dees, La Grange IL — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:25:13 GMT

It all depends on what the meaning of "automatic" is, i.e. Ickes is counting on it meaning an automatic vote for Clinton.

Whiie America is asking Barack to heal its historical open wounds, the Clintons are proving that they won't leave a scab unscratched if it will return them to the White House.

Icky's argument that Hillary is winning the traditional reliable Democrats while Barack wins the young, Republicans and Independents actually works against Hillary as she attracts only votes that would be reliable Democratic votes in November, whoever is the nominee.

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Dan — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:32:30 GMT

Hillary and her flunkies are SHAMELESS! She will do anything to wil at all costs tothe Democratic party, and the American people who she just cant accept dont want her! This is he reason people hate he. She is slim and surounds herself with these slimy types that make our country look bad! Just go away you bitch. I cant wait until you fall in TEXAS! You just dont get it! The presidency is not your birth right! We owe you nothing! You have to earn our votes, and you just cant handle the fact that we dont want you, your husband, or your slimey politics, and back room shady deals any more! We are tired of you! We want something new and better for ourselves and the world! We WANT OBAMA!

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S. Ruff — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:33:14 GMT

YES WE CAN

When Clinton says she can't wait to fight is anyone excited?
Independents are the majority and we are tired of Republican and Democrat slash and burn politics.
YES WE CAN overwhelmingly elect Barrack Obama and congressmen and women who are also tired of partisanship highjacking our Country. Both Barrack Obama and John McCain's nomination are telling politics as usual that we are DONE. YES WE CAN vote in a way that tells ALL politicians that it is time to put Country first instead of Party. Read Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope". Have the courage to hope instead of living in FEAR. Bush and Clinton and radical right and radical left politics are nothing but fear. Is it better to fight or hope. Great change and great action begin with hope. It won't be easy, neither is life. But I am tired of living and choosing based on fear. If we let fear win, we all lose. Be part of hope, work hard for change. YES WE CAN YES WE WILL!
Barrack Obama 08

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Lee Holmes — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:39:26 GMT

Here,I find rare agreement with the anti-Clinton liberals. Harold Ickes should have been locked up in 1997 for his dalliances with the Gambinos over the fraudulent TEAMSTERS election of Ron Carey,but,like his confederate Terry McAuliffe,dodged a federal bullet when the Reno JD proved reluctant[for some strange reason[insert:heavy irony here],to name an SP to deal with the Ickes and Terry Show.[as it turned out ,some lowlevel DNCs fell on their swords and did some small time in a fed lockup in Illinois,and Barbara Streisand turned into frightened jackrabbit when the FBI closed in on her PAC which was funneling dough to the Carey campaign,filtered through its TEAMSTERS New York City chapter which was crawling with mafioso including Gottis ]. This man is a lowlife of incredible proporations and continues to act as Clinton fixer and torpedo goon. We do not need more of his ilk mucking up America.[unless you like endless reruns of ''Once Upon A Time In America''[Leone,Sergio],or ''The Sopranos''].

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Remus, Voteobama, Ohio — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:40:35 GMT

Weasel is as weasel does. Ickes and the rest of the Clinton Rodents will do everything and anything to have the She-weasel Shrillary nominated.
To infer that Obama voters are not "reliable" displays the disdain that Shrillary and her disbarred semi spouse have for the average voter.
The Clintons WILL NOT steal the nomination in Denver.
If they try that crap, Chicago 68 will look like cake walk!

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Ebert Hansen, Sterling Heights, Michigan — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:42:03 GMT

It's apparent that the Clinton camp will stop at nothing to win even if she isn't the favorite of the democratic voters. If these dirty politics continue it is goodbye from me to the democratic party. I have been a democrat for all my voting life. I am 77 so you can figure out how long that has been.

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Ebert Hansen, Sterling Heights, Michigan — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:43:56 GMT

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Kevin, Naperville, Illinois — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:45:08 GMT

What was the definitiion of "is"? Haven't we all heard this tortured logic from the Clinton's before?

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Peter, Champaign, IL — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:45:12 GMT

I've got this ickes feeling in the pit of my stomach that the Clintons would resort to a scorched earth strategy rather than lose the nomination. If Hillary wins this way, the new voters who have been turning out for the Democratic primaries and caucuses will be scrambling for the exits. Me too.

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Mark,Los Angeles.CA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:47:35 GMT

I grew up in Washington,D.C it is my right and duty to vote,however if Hillary Clinton recieves the nomination,I will stay home.I cannot vote for John McCain,and I have lost any respect I had for the Clintons because of thier win at all cost tactics.
You have had your time Clintons!you don't care about us all you care about is winning.Watch out people this trend is going to happen if she gets the nod

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Amy — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:50:03 GMT

The point is that Michigan and Florida disenfranchised themselves. They knew what the penalty would be for moving up their contests and they did it anyway. They voted to break the rules with full understanding of the consequences. Now, I understand that we need these two states to win in the general election, but simply undoing the guidelines that the DNC clearly set, and the states of Michigan and Florida understood and agreed to is ridiculous. We have to find another way. This isn't about which candidate you support, it's too late to change the rules after the match is over. And I do find it interesting that some of the very people who set the rules now want to change them when they don't favor their candidate. It's just like in Nevada when the very people who set up the polling sites sued to change them at the last minute because they didn't like the polls. The votes have to be counted according to the rules that were set!

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Hillary All the Way — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:52:02 GMT

Obama basically wants to disenfranchise Florida's and Michigan's voters and delegates. The DNC in those states broke a rule and the party judged by giving the voters and delegates the death penalty stripping them of their rights and voices in this all important primary. The voters still went to the polls in record number and voted anyway, and that says alot about them. Obama should be for re-instating these votes or at least for a month of campaigning and a new polling date. Democrats do not stand for disenfranchising voters and taking away their rights to vote and for their votes to COUNT. I think it is quite obvious why Obama is against it, because he knows they all voted for Hillary. Obama is a hypocrite and self serving. Here's an honest question, if they were all black voters voting for Obama in FL and MI what do you think Obama would have to say about it then? As a life long Democrat, I will NEVER vote for this guy, he is a liar, a hypocrite and a charlatan.

Hillary All the Way.

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Dan, Birmingham MI — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:53:22 GMT

I am a Democratic living in Michigan and am not a Clinton supporter. I feel I have been disenfranchised by the Democratic party. That is why I chose to vote in the Republican primary instead, where my vote at least made a small difference.

Despite my philosophical agreements with much of the Democratic party platform, there is simply no way I can support a party that does not allow me the free exercise of voting. That is the most fundamental right in a democracy, and the Michigan Democrats have lost me.

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Carol R HIll, Hialeah, Fla. — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:54:46 GMT

Frankly I do not trust any of them especially Clinton.
There is something about her that I do not like I cannot quite put my finger on it. I do not want her husband back in the White House because he has a very bad track record. As I said before it is too bad that we can't just put all the bodies together and all the heads together and make one body and that would be best President we ever had.
I fear for Obama life if he gets into the White House I just do. Everytime someone wants to make big changes in the government they do live to see it happen before there is terrible record for that all you have to see is the history and it right in front of you face. He has two small babies to consider and a lovely wife as well. I really fear for his life I just do.
There is a lot of anger in the whites about what is going on you and I both know that is what I fear the most.
Obama has to really consider the good and the very bad if he takes on the being a President.
I know in my heart that he wants to help all of us but I just fear for his life I just do
MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BECOME PRESDENT BUT IT IS A DANGEROUS JOB AND THEY SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. I AM SURE HE BLESS THEM ALL NOW AND FOREVER!!!

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Jon — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:58:15 GMT

Superdelegates' vote doesn't count any more than my vote? Who do you think you are kidding? Me and 14,999 of my closest friends go and vote for our candidate, and get 1, count it 1 delegate at the convention to represent us. Superdelegates get a vote at the convention equal to that of our 1 delegate. So yes, Superdelegates do have superpowers - the power to have their vote count 15,000 times mine. Sorry but I'm a pretty smart guy - you're not 15,000 times more important, better informed or smarter than I am.

And don't even get me started on MI and FL.

Desperate much?

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Jeff — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:58:48 GMT

As an American I am in disbelief as to the conduct of the Clinton Campaign in "THEIR" drive to win this Presidency. Make no mistake about it, this is as much a fight for Bill to return to the White House as it is for Hillary to make History as the first female President (not so much for her to get in a position to make change, but more for her to say she held the position).
In their drive for this they have already turned away would be converts from the Republican Party and Independents by their vocal issues with the Florida & Michigan Primaries, issues that they had previously agreed to. What does this say about a future President and their word. But that is what is interesting, Hillary speaks of Obamas Words, but he has been true and consistent to them. Hillary has said many words in her career, but she changes them to the whim of the political picture. Democrats should do what they can to remove the polarizing Hillary from the race as soon as possible, or stand the chance of losing the General Election to the Republicans, AGAIN.
I also take offense to their use of their daughter Chelsea. They have her traveling to rallies as a voice of Hillary, also calling super-delegates, but they say politically she is off limits and will not allow her to be interviewed. Again, typical Clintons, in that the rules do not apply to them, only to others. We see this again as they gear their legal machine to challenge the Florida and Michigan Primaries.
When will we as Americans finally raise our voices and say to the Clintons, enough already, enough of the rhetoric, enough of the spin, enough of the divisiveness. As for Mr. Clinton, he also needs to look at his Presidency a little more clearly, and so do Americans. He inherited a strong economy from President Reagan, which then Mr. Clinton managed to drive into a recession and it was only the advent of a technology boom that pulled us out, which had nothing to do with him. Then there are his trade agreements with China, getting them into the WTO and also granting them access to sensitive technology. Don't believe what I say, do your own research.
How many more scandals must we endure before we say enough of this family that has turned politics into an ugly word in America. We say the Republicans have done this, but this new type of Politics did not come onto the scene till the Clintons. Surrounding themselves with flunkies who will commit any subversive or underhanded act to further their cause. We can see this in Maggie Williams, Hillary's new campaign manger (don't believe me then do your research on her as well). I hope and pray that Americans will say enough of this type of politics, enough of the Clintons and make their voices heard at the upcoming primaries, where she loses so overwhelmingly that she withdraws from the race.
In closing, and to rebut those who will say I am a Hillary hater and supporter of another candidate, I would be fine with either other candidate (Obama or McCain), although I prefer Senator Obama, I just can't imagine our country after a term with Hillary Clinton in the oval office. She would do what President Bush has done, in that what she solely thinks is right is only what she will accept, and not listen to the sound advice of people who have spent their lives studying issues (like Bush did with his desire for the Iraq War). Our country cannot afford another President who is so thickheaded and believes that they are the only ones with the right answers. Sadly, in her case it could actually be true as she would be so surrounded by her political flunkies who she owes favors too, that her staff would be one of the most compromised and incompetent, filled with more lobbyist than this country has ever seen!
I ask Americans to take their time and do research, don't believe me, do your own research and you will find the facts that I base my arguments on. The Clinton years of Presidency are being paid for now (with big help from more poor leadership from President Bush) and this country would not survive as we know it if Hillary were to make it to office. Mr. Clinton I challenge you to defend your years in office, your misconduct, your impeachment, and your trade policies that "ALL" Americans are paying for today, accept the wealthy elite who own these companies. Americans tell the Clintons to go quietly into the sunset..........

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charles taylor.,Ocean Springs,MS — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:00:01 GMT

I don't like Mrs Clinton, for she is power Hungry,
and don't give a damn about the low/middle class
americans. Do you remember the White Water scandal,
and one of Bill Clinton's or Hillary aides committed
sucide in one of Washington D.C parks in 90's. I
believe today the documents pertaining to the White
water was destroyed, a big cover up. Now on Obama,
do you know he took his oath as a senator of Ill(not
on the holy bible...People don't care about this issue. On Mccain, another story, too old to run the
country, and another George Bush.....What I am saying,
I am not going to vote this year...Until there is a
major change in Wash D.C, politics will be the same.

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Watching In GA — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:00:37 GMT

Dpnt worry about the "superdelegates" or did someone say "automatic Delegates". At the end of the primary, they all will be "OBAMAMATIC Delegates."

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Shanda, Orlando, FL — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:01:16 GMT

I live in Florida. When our state went against the DNC and was stripped of our delegates, we knew that our votes in the Democratic primary would not count. We were told that for many months leading up to the primaries. Our state knew the ramifications of their actions to move up our primary (being stripped of delegates) but chose to do it anyway. All of the Democratic candidates chose to abide by the decision of the DNC of not allowing Florida to seat delegates at the convention. We knew on election day that our vote was not going to mean diddly as far as delegates are concerned. I choose to vote because we had an amendment on the ballot that day as well, so I took my time to mark the box for my candidate, knowing full-well that it wouldn't matter because we had been told this MANY, MANY TIMES!! You cannot change the rules after the fact and you cannot cry about being "disenfranchised" now, because the rules were clearly stated before going into this. Hillary Clinton is giving people just one more reason to not trust politicians with her desire to see the rules everyone agreed to being tossed out to her benefit. Everyone who feels that all of our politicians should play by the rules with the interests of "the people" at heart should be appalled by this.

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Chris, Denver, Colorado — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:03:50 GMT

Are Karl Rove and Frank Luntz advising the Clinton campaign on how to split hairs, drive wedges, redefine political nomenclature and change the rules after the fact? The Clintons are now desperately relying on Republican tactics to maintain power and get more power. Have they not learned anything from the past 8 years?!? This does not bring a country together. At least Karl Rove only disenfranchised a small percentage of Republican voters, along with the Democrats. The Clintons are willing to lose the support of half the Deomocratic Party, Independents and all Republicans, just to get the Democratic Nomination.

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Charles, New Haven CT — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:04:42 GMT

To all you people who wonder if Obama is Muslim have you not notice that his first name is the same as the Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barrak. May he's really Jewish! Though I suppose for most of you that still wouldn't be good enough.

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Steve, Rockville MD — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:05:26 GMT

I get so sick of MSNBC trumpeting the polls that show Obama a few points in front of McCain - not many main street Americans really know much about Obama. The Rupublican attack machine has not started on him yet. Those numbers will change.

A McCain/Clinton election will be fought in the 4-6% swing voters of the country that generally decides things, like 2004, 2000 etc. I happen to think Clinton is a lot tougher than John Kerry and Al Gore as well. I like the Democrats chances in that matchup. She negates McCain on national defense, beats him in domestic policy in a walk.

A McCain/Obama contest, once the electorate has been educated by the republican dirty trick brigades has the potential of being 1972/George McGovern II with the dems on the wrong side again. And George McGovern had 10X (war hero, long public service) the credentials Obama does.

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charles taylor.,Ocean Springs,MS — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:05:42 GMT

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Val Fitzgerald — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:20:59 GMT

The best ticket would be Hillary/Obama--in that order. Eight years of Hillary, whose experience in the White House could really be brought to bear now--followed by eight years of Obama. That would effectively give America eight years of Hillary and SIXTEEN YEARS OF OBAMA (given that the Vice Presidency has, in the past almost 20 years, been a position of such power that it is almost a co-Presidency). Imagine. 24 years of a solid lock on America would guarantee a resurgence of American power and possibility after the dark night of the Bush/Cheney years. NO WONDER the Rupert Murdoch-owned MSM 'can't stand the sight of Hillary'. The Jack Cafferty's who froth at the mouth at the very mention of her name, betray their own considerable prejudices and fears of a 'woman president'--this, despite the fact that two old white men--Bush/Cheney--have made hash of America at home and abroad for the past eight years, to say NOTHING about Iraq! The MSM is as usual despicable, and its condemnation of Hillary should be treated as what it is--the predictable rant of the right-wing, skewed MSM.

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Jim Carlile — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:45:55 GMT

"I only see the Obama supporters crying and whining and yelling "Foul" because Mrs. Clinton won both Florida and Michigan. If Mr. Obama were slightly behind and he won both Florida and Michigan, you can bet your sweet petunias that they would be screaming racism and all the votes must be counted . How convenient. "

Of course, jay Link. That's so obvious. The fact that Obama people want to throw out votes they don't like-- AND FOR WHICH HE RAN FLORIDA COMMERCIALS-- is appalling.

If he'd won those races, and Hillary were calling for them to be ignored, all hell would break losse! What hypocrisy! These Obama people are going to destroy this party.