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Dave — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:38:05 GMT

When are you going to report on Obama's plagiarism, as ABC News has? http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/obama-echoes-de.html. Obama is plagiarizing McCain, Clinton (economic plan, green collar jobs plan), and now is plagiarizing speeches from Deval Patrick in 2006. This is a serious allegation, one that brought down Obama. Why are you - the press - supPRESSing this news?

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Chuck Adkins — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:47:14 GMT

Old boy getting be a bit feisty in his old age. ;-P

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Monica L — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:47:43 GMT

Bill's coming apart!

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Matthew Gerring, Sacramento, CA — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:41:49 GMT

The reason they're not reporting on Obama's "plagiarism" is that everyone does it. All the Democrats nicked bits and pieces from each other's stump speeches, campaign literature, graphic design, and policy proposals. Most of them are drawing from the same well.

It's politics. Get used to it.

Bill's comments here make an interesting point though. His inability to deal with someone who disagrees with him in a civil and understanding manner reflects poorly on the way Hillary Clinton's campaign is being run.

She's not interested in trying to patch over some of these divides. She's not interested in trying to reach out beyond the Democratic Party regulars. She still thinks of the midwest as flyover country. She still thinks that anybody who isn't firmly behind the Democrats on every issue is some kind of ignorant heathen.

There is such a thing as a pro-life Democrat. I've met plenty of them. This kind of shouting match doesn't do Bill, Hillary, or the party any good. I encourage anybody who hasn't already to read Obama's book, The Audacity Of Hope. There's a great passage about a pro-life Democrat who was completely on board with Obama's message, but took issue with some of the more vitriolic rhetoric regarding abortion that his campaign staff had put on his website. He listened to the man, explained his position (which is that we should do more to reduce the number of abortions in this country without criminalizing it), and had his campaign staff change the website.

And don't even come in here talking about present votes. Obama, being an adroit politician, worked out a deal with Planned Parenthood that denied the Republican majority in the Illinois senate another talking point for their re-election campaigns and managed to make the Republicans look stupid for proposing bills with ridiculous names like the "Saving Children Who Were Nearly Murdered Act" (or something similar) and then having them defeated- WITHOUT "no" votes by the most progressive members of the Senate.

You want Republicans to stop throwing temper tantrums like spoiled children? You can keep voting for people like Hillary Clinton, who will just shout at them, or people like Nancy Pelosi, who will likely continue to out-immature the Republicans (remember the children on Capitol Hill during SCHIP proceedings?), or we can elect Obama, the only person in the field who knows how to marginalize people who are acting like idiots.

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Paul Phx — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:49:37 GMT

Clinton is the most arrogant jerk in politics. And that is saying something, because there are a lot of them.

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Ronnie Ruff — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:04:55 GMT

Hey Dave.. Maybe they are not reporting it because it is a non issue. It is not plagiarism if the Patrick has no problem with it.

From your link: The Obama campaign has issued a statement from Gov. Patrick: “Sen. Obama and I are long-time friends and allies. We often share ideas about politics, policy and language. The argument in question, on the value of words in the public square, is one about which he and I have spoken frequently before. Given the recent attacks from Sen. Clinton, I applaud him responding in just the way he did.”

Before you post garbage maybe you should check your sources.

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P. Walker, Memphis, TN — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:21:16 GMT

Treat folks with no respect and be treated as if you are without respect.

Bill. If you & Hillary were considered the best on womens health & civil rights then why did Kate Michelman and the other major figures and organizations including Planned Parenthood & NARAL abandon their support for Hillary and choose to back Barack Obama once they took a hard look at records and veracity?

I guess you are right about one thing.
Talk is cheap, Bill.
Obama is about doing the heavy lifting and working for solutions for all Americans.
Just ask the women in South Dakota whom he alone supported from the Senate when their right to choose was threatened.
Where were you & Hillary at that crucial time?
Probably in some ---stan working another mining deal while Hillary was busy naming a Post Office.

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Swansea UK — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:54:41 GMT

The view from the UK on the Democrat race between Obama V Clinton is facinating...
Clinton is a wise old owl but with the usual rhetoric and tatty baggage.
Obamo is clean, straight forward, and with gentile ways, but with a rough diamond core that hilary has not seen yet.Obama should win easily but may yet be subject to the dirty tactics that the other side is no doubt planning which is a shame becuase it reflects on the whole democrat party and american political scene as a whole. Go Obama GO.

Kevin M
Swansea UK

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Kathy — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:54:37 GMT

I agree Dave. That link was helpful. It seems that Obama copies just about everyone. His ideas are generally ill thought out and his bills fail eventually. So, he takes others slogans and arguments, speeches and now he is touting his health care as 'universal' when it isn't, AND OTHER ISSUES.

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Dena — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:06:34 GMT

ABC News is sooooo anti-Obama, I'm not sure if they are pro-Clinton, but they definetly are the only ones I see reporting anything negative on Obama CONSISTENTLY.

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Alex Wolf — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:10:22 GMT

So very glad to see idiot Dem fighting Dem.

Though Johnny is far from our poster boy, you guys are making it too easy.

In this corner: The aged and ruthless Clinton Part III. And in the other corner, Opie.

Have at it please. (What a sad match: Reagan would have chewed you both to pieces. Maybe even that peanut farmer - and THAT's SAD!)

Let the country see that has-been's and never-was's are NOT suited to running this fair land of ours!

And TY! I'm almost thinking of contributing to the DNC if they continue to infight as they are currently!

- Alex

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john — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:42:24 GMT

Dave, they haven't reported this because it's not really news. Obama and Deval Patrick are good friends and have consistently borrowed each other's remarks. Patrick has also borrowed directly from Obama. Obama stated that he ad-libbed the remarks and that they weren't in his written speech. They share many of the same views on politics so it's not surprising that Obama would use words that sound almost identical to Patrick's.

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American Voter — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:54:13 GMT

Bill is truly an idiot and continues to disgrace the office of the former POTUS! Why do you lefties what this to continue by returning this buffoon and his mean spritied wife to the White House???

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Ben, Arlington, VA — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:31:53 GMT

I was a faitful viewer of MSNBC but not any more. I am switching to FOX. At least FOX is fair in its coverage. MSNBC is either in bed with OBAMA or is on his payroll. I can not believe how one sided coverage and support that MSNBC gives to OBAMA. I really hope that Hillary win's and that she and Bill never give another interview to MSNBC. MSNBC really blows everything out of proportion and into OBAMA's favor.

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brian tracy, orlando fl — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:37:32 GMT

Ol Bill really enjoys projecting his false impressions of others to create straw men arguments doesn't he...

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Juan — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:49:03 GMT

I recently changed my support from Hillary to Obama; even though, I had been blogging for her for several months.

Me and my family used to be the biggest fans of Bill Clinton. Everyone in my community can't stand to see Bill on TV anymore. I’m not sure if its his older age or maybe the lack of sleep lately, but I truly believe his lost his mind. He makes no sense anymore, cares about nothing other than attempting to get his wife elected, plucks words right out of the air while stating nothing, and now even goes against the voices of mass voters...

Bill Clinton is really not he same person I USED to respect and admire!

This country needs straight shooters. Vote for anybody but the Clinton Fabricators....Obama first, if not, then McCain!

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Juan — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:49:25 GMT

If you want real Change, VOTE 4 OBAMA. And of course, just like the front yards of his campaign headquarters around the country, "Do Not Enter if you belong to a PAC of Lobbyist firm".

There are well over 30,000 registered lobbyists that will soon need to get real jobs in this country. The breast that feeds monies into the Hillary’s campaign is almost out of milk!

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CAROL — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:50:30 GMT

THIS IS A TATIC THAT OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN WILL TRY TO USE...BEING ABUSED...WAKE UP AMERICA.......

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Obama Mama, Ashburn, VA — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:59:49 GMT

Plagarism is nothing new in politics. Patrick Duvall is a friend of Obama's and they share thoughts and ideas. Do you really believe this is an issue???? Rabid-ass Clintonians!!

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Los Angeles, CA — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:31:43 GMT

LOL...Bill at it again. It just cracks me up when I hear people try to explain why we want ANOTHER 8 years of THIS???? This wonderful man brought us NAFTA, the TECHNOLGY BUBBLE, and helped solve unemployment with tons of service jobs. My goodness, gotta love those 90's.

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Mystery — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:32:23 GMT

Ummm Dave it's not plagiarism if they are friends and he allows him to use the content. Your making way to big of a deal about it =P So yea the media is not supressing it (theres no real story there)

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Carlos, Santa Fe, NM — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:33:04 GMT

Dave said: "When are you going to report on Obama's plagiarism, as ABC News has?"
Dave please. What candidate hasn't echoed the words of others? If you did your history you would find that it's not at all uncommon. To not choose the obvious best candidate solely because he echoed someone elses sentiments is totally rediculous. If this is the worst that Anti-Obamites can come up with, then I think Michelle Obama can start talking to her decorator about the Obama White House color schemes.

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Sherri Mesquite, Texas — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:33:32 GMT

Such nice people those Obama supporters! Jerks like that guy won't change my respect for President Clinton, in fact it only deepens it! Try as they might,it does not change the fact Bill Clinton was a great President and his wife will be an even better one! Wonder how many more jerks will make the news for Obama between now and March 4th?!

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Maggie, San Juan, Puerto Rico — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:46:02 GMT

Joe: I like you very much. But, for God's sakes, get off the Clinton's back. Let the people decide the election if all that can be done is to scrutinize the Clintons without the Press having done it in the same manner and tones with the Obama's. What is wrong with the past? Wonderful things were done which made the USA what it is today. Women won the right to vote 83 years ago, and now a woman is running for President of the United States. That would make a good story today. The road to progress of women in the USA. My mom is 83 yrs. old and I like her company. In these time of turmoil she symbolizes stabilty, history, and faith. I am a baby boomer and I have a life ahead of me. I just finished my Master's Degree and there is so much I still have to give. There is so much to do. On the Axelrod comment. It's not that he's helping Obama project himself to get the votes it is that Obama is good friends with everybody, but if it were Hillary then it would be that she had to be taught to talk and that she was not honest. No matter what the Clinton's past they are part of the American history. Just like Ted Kennedy and Chappaquidick. But I guess that was ok.

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Chris, Tampa, FL — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:52:08 GMT

I feel like if Sen. Clinton gets into office, Bill is going to be like Joe Pessi in GoodFellas, "did you say somethin to my 'wife', did ya" (stabs person with whitehouse pen "you got somethin to say now or are ya gonna just cry like a little girl?"

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CJN — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:53:35 GMT

In response to Dave:

I have no problem with candidates using language from past political speeches when, as is the case in the article you referenced, they appear to have the full support of both the original writers and the original user of the language. The specific instance referenced in the article you linked was an effective argument about the value of words in the public arena.

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John Alexander — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:58:53 GMT

Go Bill, tell it like it is!

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Chris Penn — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:03:59 GMT

Bill is what you call a real man. Way to go Bill. He has balls, unlike Obama.

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WDRussell, East Liverpool, Ohio — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:04:58 GMT

ProLife is a sick joke. These people are pro the fear and hate platform of the GOP. You would be hard pressed to find a Christian bone in their body.

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Russ Elba, NY — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:13:22 GMT

I'm decidely NOT a Clinton fan. Having said that, I didn't see that he looked unhinged or in a rage. But he did seem to be inappropriately engaging the hecklers, rather than defusing the situation. What it illustrates to me is a lack of impulse control or a surfeit of self importance. Either he feels he absolutely must win every argument or he feels he shouldn't be questioned at all. The impression I get from the way the Clintons are conducting their campaign at this point is that they are stunned and hurt that they are being challenged in any way, whether its by Senator Obama, or the media, or by voters who haven't fallen in lockstep behind Senator Clinton's ascension in the dynasty. The number of times that President Clinton has told Senator Obama's supporters that they are following false hopes or simply don't know his wife is right would seem to indicate that they are having difficulties processing the idea that people who don't support them might actually have heard them, and rejected them.

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csh, IL — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:27:09 GMT

Imagine MSNBC if…

It was Hillary Clinton (not Barack Obama) who purchased her house for $300,000 under its market value thanks to her political relationship with a man who was known to be the target of an FBI investigation when the sale took place?

It was Hillary Clinton (not Barack Obama) who, as an Illinois state legislature, said she pushed the wrong button when voting on at least seven pieces of legisaltion – two on hotly contested issues?

It was Hillary Clinton (not Barack Obama) who pledged last year that she would accept public financing in the general election if her Republican rival agreed to as well and will now not agree to uphold that pledge?

It was Hillary Clinton (not Barack Obama) who stole lines from Gov. Deval Patrick’s speech

Imagine if MSNBC wasn’t afraid or did not have a pro-Obama agenda.....

Imagine if they were doing their jobs instead of trying to elect Barack Obama as our next President….

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loris bay — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:31:57 GMT

something is seriously wrong. Read his statement. It reads like something a mad man would say. No sense at all. It is truly sad what he has reduced himself to.

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Gus Acosta, Edgewood, Kentucky — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:33:54 GMT

Well, since Bill has not been acting like an ex-president, trying to be above the fray, what did he expect? I am not condoning the actions of the protester, but Bill has got chill and not be so thin skinned. Poor dude must not be getting any.

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HP Boston — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:40:25 GMT

God I love this this man! Tell 'em to go to hell Bill! Freedom is just another word for nothing else to lose! Nothing to lose here, kick butt and speak up, no more pushing the Clintons around with their hate and brainless BS! My sweet Jesus they fear you and people who take our freedoms and our constitutional rights seriously. Too bad they do not give a crap about all the children that are living homeless and in abuse and neglect. America the home of so many hypocrites!

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HP Boston — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:41:30 GMT

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Scott — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:42:41 GMT

I think you have it wrong Obama has not plagiarized anyone. Hillary supporters, much like Mrs. Clinton herself seem not to be beholden to the truth.Hillary released her plan for green jobs in Nov. 2007. Obama released his in Oct. 2007. Here is the link if you need proof: http://www.barackobama.com/2007/10/08/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_28.php

I have found some issues with this economic plan. First, she wants to take on special interests but she is the number one recipient of special interest money. She also wants to reform the free-trade agreements, but her husband gave us the free-trade agreements. As far as specific points, she is trying to move the Presidency in a direction that scares me. Mandated health insurance and a freeze on interest rates defy the rules of personal choice and free-market capitalism. Those are two things that Americans have always been proud of. It is what makes America, America. Take the previous two points along with her statement that she wants a law that says Congress cannot raise their own pay unless the minimum wage is increased. Sounds good but what are the real odds of that happening

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Jake, NC — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:45:09 GMT

The protestor was just another rightwingnut who wants to ban abortions but sit on his hands when those unwanted kids are dumped on society...these flatworlders still think you can legislate behavior and parenthood, and if not, then they don't want to pay taxes to support these kids and they sure in the heck aren't adopting in large numbers now are they?

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JoeCHI, Chicago, IL — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:46:23 GMT

Good for BIll!

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Mike HInes, MA — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:48:20 GMT

The Clinton's had many enemies BEFORE Barack Obama. All you members of the Hill-dog pack ought to remember that.

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Andrew, Dublin, Ireland — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:48:36 GMT

In response to the Obama plagiarism issue.... McCain plagiarized Obama, not the other way around. And Deval Patrick has publicly stated that the use of his wording in Obama's speeches is a direct result of conversations the two of them had about how to address the issue of rhetoric. Calm down people, we have 2 upstanding democratic choices, lets not try to cut either of them apart, considering that one or the other will be the nominee.

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Mike HInes, MA — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:50:09 GMT

The Clintons had waaaay more enemies before Obama came on the seen.

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Dirk — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:02:55 GMT

Maybe because it was clearly Obama who lent Patrick his routine (and several of his key staffers) not the other way around.

By the way, how much did you make for posting that?
http://voteforhillaryonline.blogspot.com/2007/11/get-paid-to-post-positive-comments.html

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:08:40 GMT

Right on Bill!
By the way, for all you Obama-Rama-Ding-Dongs; "Yes we can" is a copy-cat knock-off of a speech Bill Clinton gave on the campaign trail in 1992.
Just thought you should know.
By the way, First Read's editors are shameless harlets, and yellow journalists.
Have a Nice Day.
:-)

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zane — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:09:47 GMT

damn right Mr President.

You tell em.

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Tom, Chicago, IL — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:11:41 GMT

Dave, i know this is a talking point for the Clinton camp today. But really. Obama and Deval Patrick have the same campaign manager, and they are friends. So if their words are similar, its called sharing of ideas.

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Chuck F. Altamonte Springs, FL. — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:12:29 GMT

The current Clinton mantra, "Words of inspiration are hollow.", is the most ignorant "hollow" argument I have (and I am sure most thinking persons) have ever heard. Movements throughout the history of civilization happen when someone comes along (Martin Luther King, jr., etc...) and is able to persuade and motivate with inspirational words. I agree with Sen.Obama's latest response to these rediculous Clinton statements: anyone can introduce countless peices of legislation before Congress. Most peices of legislation go nowhere without someone who is able to persuade, motive and inspire. Obama "has it" Hillary Clinton "doesn't have it" and the Clinton's argument is completely insulting our intelligence. Despicable and disgusting. I hope that the American people don't fall for this lame stupidity.

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Bob W Mendon, NY — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:24:25 GMT

"When are you going to report on Obama's plagiarism..."

Please...spare us your histrionics and read the article you quoted. When two parties who are associates use the same terms, it is not plagiarism...it's called being like minded.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:24:37 GMT

It's clear that First Read and MSNBC, which have become partners with the Obama Campaign, approve of this disruptive behavior on Obama's behalf.
If a Clinton supporter had done this you would have reported it negatively.
Don't kid yourselves, you aren't journalists, and the netwrok you are employed by is no longer a reliable source of news.
You three morons, along with Mathews, Olberman, Eugene Robinson, Howard Fineman, and the rest of the CIRCUS CLOWNS at MSNBC have all become PROSTITUTES for Obama.
I hope your careers go right into the toilet as a result of the shameless LIES and PROPAGANDA you've "published" about The Clintons.

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MK,MO — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:35:19 GMT

the clintons are the most arrogant people on the planet, bill's outbursts are not because he is trying to defend hillary, they are because he can not understand why commoners would question anything the clintons said or done, how dare them, they are owed this election for no other reason than they are the 'clintons', bow down before their self perceived greatness, we don't need a self absorbed monarchy, we need obama

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Natalie — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:36:35 GMT

If all of these people who say they are pro life, they would campaign to get rid of the death penalty. Being pro life to me, means all life, not just the issue of abortion.

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Lloyd Jacks, Chicago IL — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:41:52 GMT

Imagine MSNBC if…

It was Hillary Clinton (not Barack Obama) who purchased her house for $300,000 under its market value thanks to her political relationship with a man who was known to be the target of an FBI investigation when the sale took place?

===============

Imagine if someone investigated how Bill is making 10s of millions of dollars for essentially doing no work?

Imagine if Hillary provided her tax returns that would tell us how she can 'loan' 5 million dollars to her campaign on a moments notice.

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Scott, Sane in Wisconsin — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:51:39 GMT

Talk about phoney. Compare these posted responses, one from here, and one in another First Read section:

“I recently changed my support from Hillary to Obama; even though, I had been blogging for her for several months.

Me and my family used to be the biggest fans of Bill Clinton. Everyone in my community can't stand to see Bill on TV anymore. I’m not sure if its his older age or maybe the lack of sleep lately, but I truly believe his lost his mind. He makes no sense anymore, cares about nothing other than attempting to get his wife elected, plucks words right out of the air while stating nothing, and now even goes against the voices of mass voters...

Bill Clinton is really not he same person I USED to respect and admire!

This country needs straight shooters. Vote for anybody but the Clinton Fabricators....Obama first, if not, then McCain!

Juan”

And-

“I recently changed my support from Hillary to Obama; even though, I had been blogging for her for several months.

Me and my family used to be the biggest fans of Bill Clinton. Everyone in my community can't stand to see Bill on TV anymore. I’m not sure if its his older age or maybe the lack of sleep lately, but I truly believe his lost his mind. He makes no sense anymore, cares about nothing other than attempting to get his wife elected, plucks words right out of the air while stating nothing, and now even goes against the voices of mass voters...

Bill Clinton is really not he same person I USED to respect and admire!

This country needs straight shooters. Vote for anybody but the Clinton Fabricators....Obama first, if not, then McCain!

Fernando Garza, Loredo TX”

Obviously from this same agent of disinformation. Note the cynical use of a Hispanic name in each. Come on people, lets leave the Karl Rove type of phoniness to the Republicans!

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DK, Alcoa, TN — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:54:51 GMT

Chuck, Mika, Joe, Chris and others @ MSNBC are hypocrits to the highest. Chuck's family or inlaws - REPUBLICANS - Mika's Dad & Brother - REPUBLICANS and then Joe & Chris - I wonder if their past life could withstand the pressures of the not so biased PRESS. What would come up - an ex secretary or past drunken rages - what? Maybe we should talk about that. MSNBC is worst thank FOX. Imus is a sure bet and he needs to be brought back. There isn't a difference. A bunch of REPUBLICANS hating women and strong men. They are a joke - I wonder how much they are being paid to elect another pResident - Chris did this during the 2000 election and was allowed to continue. During that time, he called minorities and seniors 'ignorant' and seven years later - HE continues. Joe Scarborough left the house of representatives to 'spend more time with his family' and you gave him a tv show. MSNBC - continues - god help us all.

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russell fox Wells, Maine — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:02:15 GMT

maybe this is a clinton supporter giving bill more exposure and free media, that the clintons dont want to pay for......

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Holly — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:44:05 GMT

What's your problem Bill? Your losin it.

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Shelly — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:53:59 GMT

What has happened to Bill? He is just Mad! He needs to control himself and show some restraint. The bad part is I used to like him, now I am not sure I trust a word he says. I cannot vote for Hillary because a vote for her is a vote for him.

Obama 08'

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DEMOCRAT — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:01:08 GMT

I will NEVER vote for the CLINTON'S!!! In fact, I dislike their brand of politics so much that I will do everything I can to get McCain elected if Hillary is our nominee. My feelings about this are very strong. You can agree or disagree but my mind will not change.

OBAMA 08'

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jjaylo — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:17:27 GMT

Go get-em Bill!!!!
In Europe they remember that it was a time of American prosperity under Bill Clinton. Are people to young to remember that he was the most effective President in recent history? He worked like an animal, his intellect formidable, and yes-he could fight like a tiger for your rights.

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HMT-MI — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:24:46 GMT

Thank god for men like Bill Clinton.Without men like this your mothers,wives,sisters,neices and their doctors would be sitting in prison for even thinking about their own rights.George Bush is disliked because he promised the religous right he would change the laws roevwade and outlaw gay rights.If that the hecklers had sceamed at Obama the msnbc would have called them clinton plants and said they should have been tasered and dragged out.Obama is so lucky to have msnbc as his lackeys.

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Gregorio, San Francisco CA — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:25:53 GMT

The issue is not necessarily that Obama is plagiarizing Governor Patrick, it's the fact that he's mostly touted for his speeches--which now seem to be thanks to his speech writers and their own resourcefulness. Maybe we should be nominating one of them for president.

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SGM NW, AR. — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:44:52 GMT

I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH SO MANY OF THE BLOGGERS TODAY. ARE SOME OF THE OBAMA-RAMA DING-DONGS (I LIKE THAT ONE) FINALLY GETTING SMARTER AND TURNING FROM THE FANTASY WORLD, OR HAS FOX, OH! I MEAN MSNBC, FINALLY STARTED TO PRINT SOMETHING POSITIVE ABOUT THE CLINTON'S. THERE IS SOME GOOD STUFF ON HERE THIS TIME. SURPRISE, SURPEISE!!!!
WAY TO GO BILL!!!! GIVE EM' HELL!!!!
OBAMA'S CAMP SAY'S THE HECKLER WASN'T ONE OF THEM. MAY I SELL YOU MY SHARE OF THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE IF YOU BUY INTO THAT?
SOME ONE SAID THAT BILL CLINTON WAS THE MOST ARROGANT JERK ON T.V. NOW, EXCUSE ME, HAS THAT GUY SEEN OBAMA LATELY?
HE SWAGGERS ASROSS THE STAGE THROWING HIS NASTY LITTLE REMARKS ABOUT HILLARY, AND THE CROWD GOES WILD. DOES THIS SHOW HOW EDUCATED OUR YOUNG VOTERS ARE OR ARE WE GOING THROUGH A PHASE WHERE THE SMART ASS SOUND BITE IS THE WAY WE SELECT A CANDIDATE?
OBAMA LOOKS LIKE HE THINKS THAT HE HAS THE REPUBLICAN'S ON HIS SIDE AND THE MEDIA, SO HOW CAN I LOOSE. UNFORTUNATELY HE MAY BE RIGHT.

HILLARY FOR A SAFER SANER AMERICA!!!
SHE IS THE REAL DEAL.

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SGM NW, AR. — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:54:32 GMT

NATALIE

YOU ARE SO RIGHT.
THEY STRONGLY WANT THE DEATH PENALTY, AND THEY NEVER SAW A WAR THEY DIDN'T LIKE. THEY SAY THAT KILLING CHILDREN IN IRAQ IS JUST COLLATORAL DAMAGE.
ANOTHER THING THAT GET ME FIRED UP IS THAT THEY WANT TO DO AWAY WITH POOR CHILDREN'S HELP FROM THE GOVERNMENT, SO LET THEM STARVE AFTER THE FACT RIGHT?
SOME DON'T BELIEVE IN BIRTH CONTROL OF ANY KIND.
SEEM'S LIKE THEIR PRIORITIES ARE A BIT SCREWED UP.

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kenny reno nv — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:56:43 GMT

well!!!!!
Everyone is just seeing a preview of what a hillary clinton administration is going to look like behind closed doors... if you don't agree with me or my wife then we will go after you... This is nothing but more of the same...... She can't control him and everyone now can see this! Hillary is starting to say anything to get elected. She didn't have any type of plan after Febuary 5th TOOK IT ALL FOR GRANTED that she was going to win, and on the verge of running out of money.. now if you can't financially run a campign then how are you going to run a country???? Also Hillary, and John Mccain the two canidates with all this experience are changing their tone of HOPE, CHANGE, and they are really starting to sound like the new fresh canidate. so if all of these experenced canidates know so much why aren't they continuing to campaign on the ideas that they started in the beginning?? Hillary has changed campaign managers why? YOU SEE WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.. ALSO,, if you have to mandate universal health care, and talk about garnessing wages for folks that don't want to buy into her plan.. doens't that represent big government? and for all you people that are pro choice what do you think about that?? government telling you what to do OR ELSE!!!! this is wrong, and i don;t care what the issue is. If you heard what Bill cliton said about abortion in his finger waggin temper tandrum said that people want to PUNISH WOMEN AND DOCTORS for not agreeing with them. Well don't you folks think that this lines up and condridics what her health plan is all about????
America we don't need this!!! If hillary loaned her campaign 5 million bucks from her HOPE CHEST :) who is going to pay that back????????maybe i should LOAN 5 million dollars to BARRACK folks she was running out of money because she didn't run her campaing properly.. she makes to many mistakes from what i see, and she hasn't admitted to any of them. this is more of the same. Now she wants to have a debate everyday because she don't have anymore money.. this is not what we need again.. The stakes are to high, and we can't afford another 4 years of this type of old Washington. Hillary sign the Bankrupcy bill but then talks about caring for the middle class.. She need to be checked on that in the upcoming debate, and she needs to answer why she slapt middle to lower class Americans like that, and i can go on and on..
Of all the canidates which one of the canidates have a closer relationship with the middle class america John Macain who has been walking the walls of Washington for the past 40 years, Hillary Clinton been living the good life for the past 50 years getting all those lucritive tax breaks that for the last 7 years we know this because Bill always tells us about it, OR BARRACK OBAMA who has in the past few years living like regular AMERICANS!!! Well folks this is an easy answer...

BARRACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!

KENNY,

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Dawn, Pittsburgh, PA — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:02:31 GMT

Most likely an Obama plant. DIRTY POLITICS

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cecil paul, Brooklyn, NY — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:04:56 GMT

King William-The 1st., and Queen Hillary-The 1st.,former Monarchs of the United Kingdom of America, feel they have a Royal Birth Right to replace King George-The 2nd.These Monarchs including King George -The 1st., have been ruling the Kingdom of America for 20 straight years. However due to the misrule of these Monarchs, over the past 20 years, the citizens of the Kingdom have faced failing economic conditions,loss of millions of jobs exported to their low wage foreign subjects in the Far East and South America.The citizens due to misrule have also lost a lot of their homes and cash to mortgage foreclosures and high credit card interests imposed by the cousins of these Royals. The Kingdom's products are no longer the largest selling around the world, as the Royals are sustituting products made in the Kingdom for products made in the lands of their foreign relatives.The current royal ruler King George The 2nd., declared War mistakenly against the Mad King Sadman of Babylon who despite being cruel and evil was not the King who declared war on us.It was Evil King Benlard of Arabia, who was let off by King William- The 1st., during his reign. Evil King Benlard is still running around in Arabia waiting to attack us again.King William -The 1st., and Queen Hillary-The 2nd.,are asking the subjects of the United Kingdom of America to put them back on the Throne and they will undo all the evils of their cousin King George-The 2nd., But it seems that the people are worried that they will abuse their power a second time, after all they spent 8 long years on the throne and failed miserably to address the problems of the people.In fact all they did was to prepare the throne for their cousin King George-The 2nd.,The people are looking to a new person a bright, young Commoner known as Obama who is preaching Change and a return to the period when we the people overtrew the Old Kings.He says a new politics of the people, by the people and for the people is what is needed.He promises to return the country to a Republic and to FORBID any more Kings and Queens to ever rule the land again. He promises to also bar anyone from being elected as President for more than 8 years.The people are hoping that this Commoner Obama will be sucessful in this our NEW AMERICAN REVOLUTION FOR CHANGE. YES, WE CAN CHANGE AMERICA.LONG LIVE - OBAMA,LONG LIVE - THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA.
cecil

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JeanneGA — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:30:26 GMT

Scott, you are correct in spotting the phonies.But it is all written by Jerry, Corpus Christi. He has been doing this antiClintons and now pro Obama crap for months. Its the same guy. A right winger. They all want, and been pushing Obama. Hmmmmmmm

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John, Las Vegas, NV — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:33:36 GMT

"At least FOX is fair in its coverage." - Ben

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Wow, people still believe that.

"By the way, for all you Obama-Rama-Ding-Dongs; "Yes we can" is a copy-cat knock-off of a speech Bill Clinton gave on the campaign trail in 1992.
Just thought you should know. " - J. Merle Stanley

Actually, it's a translation of a powerful UFW chant. But you race-baiting Clintonites wouldn't know that. And thanks to your wench candidate for mutating it to "yes, we will". You can kiss this particular Latino voter goodbye you quasi-racist scumbags. If I wanted to vote for people who would discredit and ignore my culture, I'd vote Republican.

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sick and tired — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:35:54 GMT

DK, Keith Olbermann, Howard Fineman and David Schuster are all democrats and they joined in on the GANG RAPE of Hillary too. I used to like all of them. Too bad, they couldn't help themselves and had to be part of the republican boys club. Like I said before, the savage attack is over and they are smug and self satisfied......

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Mrs. Mommy Parts. — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:39:22 GMT

MK hates woman, always has and always will. He speaks of females using "mommy parts", like that is what all woman are good for. Eh MK?

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Dawn, Pittsburgh,PA — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:51:18 GMT

To Obama Mama

Must have taken awhile to come up with that slick and catchy name. At least someone in the obama camp came up with somthing original.

We know it was not your canidate. He is just an opportunist and a junior want to be. Speeches and fancy names will not correct the republican destruction of the last 8 years on the middle class.

obama has NO IDEAS and only cares about himself.

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Matt K., Arrowhead Springs, California — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:55:55 GMT

Someone just sent me a link to this Time Magazine article Barack Obama wrote in 2006: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1546579-1,00.html

I had never read it before, but I found Senator Obama's approach a refreshing alternative to this kind of disrespectful behavior.

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opa2 — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:17:38 GMT

Bill was right. Stomp on them and stomp on them hard! Those anti-abortion fanatics have poisoned politics for far too long. It's about time someone slapped them down and I hope he, and others, do so again.

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kenny — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:23:46 GMT

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Marie, Manchester, CT — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:30:10 GMT

Unfortunately, for so many so-called "pro-lifers", the right to life begins at conception, but ends at birth (because so many support the death penalty).

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bill, okla — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:36:36 GMT

Bill was a fine president. Unlike our present outgoing jack-ass. However, Hillary is not Bill. She is not up to the job. I'm going to vote for Obama to keep another war monger out of the white house.

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Tamara, Corpus Christi, TX — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:32:49 GMT

I'm beginning to think that Old Bill is turning into the Brittany Spears of politics. Poking people in the face is never appropriate. What next, fistacuffs? Clearly the stress of this campaign is starting to show. He'll do anything to try to get the Mrs. elected. If she doesn't get elected, his homelife will be most unpleasant, I suspect.

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oknOK — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:32:49 GMT

The first post on this blog asked when there would be a topic on Obama's plagarism. Is anybody surprised by his plagarism? Not me. With no substance, he needs something to prop himself up. When you're a fake, you're imitating something, right? When I heard Obama speak yesterday, I heard a lot of quotes but he gave no credit to the original speaker. He's trying to imitate and present himself as all the great men he quotes. What an insult. Those people had done great things before they became known as great people. Mr. Obama seems to want greatness with no sacrifice. It's similar to what he's trying to "sell" to people in his campaign. Hope and it shall be yours!