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Janine Los Angeles California — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:08:13 GMT

No. How can it work? Her last attempt at a healthcare plan failed.

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Bryan Little — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:09:23 GMT

Going by the crowds reaction, that attack fell flat! There were even some boos! It is beginning to heat up. But the heat is one sided us Obama insists on being presidential.

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joe, chicago, il — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:09:42 GMT

wow...clearly not. did you hear that groan of disapproval from the crowd? thank god they're above those petty "clintonisms".

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John, Columbia, TN — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:09:46 GMT

Every dig just reinforces Obama. It's top-down politics. It's the politics of yesterday. It's over.

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Brian, Hubbard, OH — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:10:12 GMT

I think she tagged him a bit there but could have continued further with pointing out that his words are copied and it seems that his policies are too.

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Chris Sendukas, Kingwood, Tx — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:10:39 GMT

I think it cost her, it was such a Republican-like attack. I also thought him finally acting offended helped him, having unpleasant memories of Dukakis...

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Jan Lincoln, Sioux Falls, SD — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:10:52 GMT

I thought I heard an undercurrent rumble of "boos" to the "xerox" comment. I admit I was startled by the comment, and felt it was hateful. Not a fair way of debating.

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Art, Chicago, IL. — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:10:56 GMT

she is a liar and is spinning on issues once again but this time on national television and in front of a crowd. she just said that he was and i quote "..taking passages of work". Passages? isnt that a stretch?

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jennifer, IL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:10:59 GMT

not working for me. GIVE UP hillary! its a lost cause. its a shame she didnt run in 2004..that would have been a better time for her. though, was her record THAT much better than it is now? What did she accomplish as a senator again? its Obama that truly connects with the people of this country.

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g, St. Louis, MO — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:12:58 GMT

She pretty much has to do anything she can to chip-away at this lead. I challenge you...

Next time Hillary is speaking (television), do me a favor. Just close your eyes, and listen with our ears. Doesn't she sound just like the same ole' Washington politics? She sounded that way again tonight.

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Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:13:45 GMT

I'm not a Clinton supporter but would you expect a pro Obama crowd to cheer for that line lmao. Your all just like other liberals: ignore the facts you do not like to make your points.

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Rick,ky — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:16:27 GMT

Barack should Cancel the debate for Cleveland. It's Obvious, he stands Head & shoulder's above her.Political point's is the Only thing possible to come from for Hillary & even that's Not Happening. He's More Presidential from debate to debate!!!!

Hillary should've Never asked for another debate as he just makes her look like The Silly Season!!!!!!!

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AISHA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:16:38 GMT

WELL,,HE IS XEROX,,,,,,SPEECHES AND POLICIES TOO,,,,

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Bob, Jacksonville, NC — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:17:25 GMT

do you think she wrote that line, or did someone on her staff give it to her?

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Sarah Willams, Elon, NC — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:17:53 GMT

Ditto, no, it won't work. Many of us simply can't listen to the Clinton attitude anymore. We're hearing "I" "I" "I" from Sen. Clinton, folks see through that.

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AISHA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:18:14 GMT

I BET YOU ,,THEY GOT 18 YR OLD SCHOOL BOYS AND GIRLS THERE,,U KNOW THAT YOUTUBE CROWD ,WHO REALLY GOES FOR FEEL GOOD FEELING SPEECHES THAN WHAT,S GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY,

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James, Chicago, IL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:18:22 GMT

Who xeroxs anything anymore? Even her attacks are out of touch?

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A.M.; Columbus, OH — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:19:03 GMT

Yes; Clinton's stategy can work, and assuming voters are rational (which is a big asumption on the left) it should work. Clinton is right and there is nothing more to it. Obama may portray himself as representing change, but she has stood for it and fought for it for decades now. Obama cannot say the same.

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Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:19:14 GMT

What a hypocrite... Hillary has borrowed lines of her own. I hope that people can see through her half-truths and spin.

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Allen Chicago, Ill — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:19:46 GMT

hahaha Great Job Clinton this will be all over the net tomorrwo... let this be the beginning of his TEAR DOWN

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Jade — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:20:24 GMT

Yeah, J, and the conservatives (i.e. reactionaries) just make up their own facts and their own parallel universe and then try to force us to live in it.

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joe, chicago, il — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:23:48 GMT

james from chicago....well said. wraps up her whole campaign in a few words, no?

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Kimberly Beasley, Chicago, IL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:25:22 GMT

As for healthcare, NOBODY wants their wages garnished. There still needs to be some human choice, for good or bad. The bad will be dealt with I am sure. Obama is such a cool cucumber! So awesome!

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A. Brocco,Albuquerque,NM — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:26:47 GMT

Hey J.
Another conservative Repub. with your bags packed ready to head to Canada in November? All you cons. can do is regurgitate what that idiot Limbaugh yells at you. Bush made a lot of points for you ditto heads and look where that got you.

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AISHA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:27:37 GMT

HELLO,YOUNG ADULTS,,,18 YR OLDS,,,,COME OUT OF YOUTUBE AND READ THE REAL ISSUES,,,,,,,,AND I KNOW ,,,ISSUES WILL LEAD YOU TO VOTE FOR HILLARYYYYYY

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AISHA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:29:48 GMT

A LOT OF PEOPLE XEROX,,,OLDER FOLKS,,,,,DON,T FORGET WE HAVE OLDER AMERICANS IN THIS COUNTRY TOO,,,WITH CHANGE THEME OF OBAMA,,,DON,T THROW THE OLD FOLKS OUT,

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AISHA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:31:30 GMT

WELL,,,WE ARE ALL AMERICAN,,,,,,,,SOME HAVE MONEY ,,AND SOME DON,T ,,,,,SO WE ALL NEED TO SACRIFICE FOR OUR OTHER AMERICANS WHO CAN,T AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE,,,,,SO I M FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE,,,,,,

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thenest — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:32:05 GMT

On Healthcare -- OK, I have it from my employer. But if I didn't, I would take some exception with any "Universal" plan that mandated me to BUY it (irrespective of my capability to AFFORD it). Substantively, I am definitely with Obama on this one.

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J. in PA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:32:05 GMT

I was actually really in to what she was saying about the issues until that moment. Now, I see her for the mean-spirited politician she is.

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Michele, Metropolis, IL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:35:00 GMT

John Edwards should be proud. She has kept his voice alive. She is a change-agent. Universal Health Care is the only way.

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Pat Goodale, Saratoga Springs NY — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:36:45 GMT

I live in NYS.Clinton said she met someone who didn't know what Obama had done, but I can't put my finger on anything that she's done...and that's in her 30 something years of "experience". She's promoted herself, but she's done nothing for NYS that I'm aware of.

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S. Ruff — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:38:00 GMT

Her xerox comment sounded too rehearsed. That is why it fell flat. Can't you just see her getting ready for the debate practicing that line over and over trying to get the timing down.

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Mona. Albuquerque, NM — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:40:04 GMT

I'm afraid there isn't much Hillary can do at this point--- America is under the Obama spell. He can say anything because he doesn't have a past or at least we don't know it, if he does-- the media loves him! My concern is whether he's up for the task once elected. Does anyboby care about that?

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Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:44:46 GMT

I love how you guys don't even defend yourselves. You just throw baseless garbage at me :). Oh well, what can I expect I guess.

And I'm not a conservative in the mold of Bush. I like what he originally ran on, and I love his tax cuts, but I don't like a lot that he has done. As for Limbaugh, I don't really care what he says.

As for McCain, I will either not vote or vote Democrat over him. I think the Dems are worse but I do not want to see the Republican party consistently move farther and farther from what it should be standing for (individual rights and SMALL government). McCain just represents war to me.

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annie, los angeles, ca — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:48:28 GMT

Clinton is shamelessly using Rovian tactics - declaring the same untruths over and over again, knowing they're not true. Even after Obama provided the real truth - she still had to spew her pre-planned sound-bite bile. I find her totally grotesque and unacceptable to lead - she's an ungracious playground bully. We've already had two terms of that.

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Lisa, Denver, CO — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:49:38 GMT

no it won't work........this is the best she can do.......and it's silly. Her attacks make Obama look far more PRESIDENTIAL.

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Richard J. Chicago, IL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:49:41 GMT

Comments about speeches aside, when push comes to shove and our country is in a crisis, I would not want Barack Obama to be making life and death decisions or telling the Joint Chiefs what do....he just is not ready for that.

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Larry W. Long, Puyallup, WA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:50:57 GMT

To pontificate yet further on my previous post. I supported Hillary, but believe that Obama will take the nomination. As stated before, I believe that Obama could win the broad supported needed to defeat the republicans even though I believe Hillary would make the better president. I fear that Barack will try to please everyone and most likely wind up pleasing no one.

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aly Fort Wayne, IN — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:57:40 GMT

I hate the bickering... she was in the wrong! we know he can give a speech and we know that he didn't need that statement to give a good speech.

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mike — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:01:04 GMT

get a clue vote for hitlery puts McCain in the white house

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Joyce, Arvada, Colorado — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:02:45 GMT

The Clinton crowd made one error over the whole speech-borrowing mess: they called it plagiarism instead of fraud. Obama committed fraud. Words and inspirational rhetoric are all he has to set him apart. His experience is questionable. Charm and charisma cover a lot of deficiencies. This so-called inspiration is all that he can provide. It is his essence, his soul, his only message and all he has to offer. He is what he is because of this. The people who listen to him, who swoon over him, believe everything he says. Those words should be his, or he should let them know where they come from. I don't care if his friend Gov. Patrick let him borrow those words. But I do care if he isn't honest about where he got them. And what is this excuse that Hillary "does it, too?" Hillary didn't make her name out of "inspiring" you all and giving you a reason to live. When your hero is less than honest with you, face it and demand something better out of him. You don't just blame or deflect the problem by directing hateful comments at his opponent. And if he was as truly different and honorable as you think he is, and if he really intended to make the changes you crave so much, he shouldn't fire you up this way and then not be honest with you.

There is only one thing that I am hoping for. I want the new Democratic president to go into the White House and get a mop and bucket and clean the mess the Bush administation will leave behind. I don't need inspiration and dreams for that. LIke it or not, we know the Clintons can do it. We have huge problems, real ones, today, here and now. Our focus needs to be on that. We had a fabulous opportunity to hammer home the fact that Bush failed. We could have done that every day until we won. People are losing their homes; some have no health insurance. Unemployment may be going up. We don't need to talk about changes in our future. We need to fix these problems today or many of us will have no future. Obama misdirected our focus to himself. Now it appears millions of people are dreaming of hope. I don't remember looking for an inspirational leader. Who asked him to be one? When he says "we are what we have been dreaming of" that's not true. I didn't dream of him. He's not in my dreams. All I'm dreaming about is getting that frumpy, dumpy bucket and mop. And then we can dream about the ethereal later. Maybe his followers don't mind if he fooled them. But some of us do. Maybe he should step aside and let a more qualified person handle the cleanup job, and then when we have more to look forward, then he can come back into the picture and dream for us.

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Jenn — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:03:26 GMT

The 'boos' obviously came from Obama supporters, just as 'boos' would be echoed from Clinton supporters had she received an similar attack from him. My point is, the media isn't going to debate whether the verbal negative reaction was justified - it's simply going to focus on the fact that there were 'boos' (I'm seeing sound bites galore...) - with the latter focus not giving objective, representational coverage.

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Jamie, Salt Lake, Utah — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:04:44 GMT

Much ado about nothin.

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Becky Jean, Omaha, Nebraska — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:08:18 GMT

Mona - no, no one seems to care that Obama doesn't seem ready to take the presidency. He is the cool guy after all!

Seriously people -THINK!! Our country is in a mess and so many are willing to take a huge risk on Obama when Hillary has proven time and again to be strong, intelligent, and to follow through with her plans. Obama is inspirational - but inspiration is not going to cut it!!

She has taken so much crap over the years. She dusts herself off and is back to the drawing table. She is the type of person we need in charge of our country.

I am an independent who will likely not vote in the general if Obama takes the nomination. I am not comfortable with him or McCain leading.

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Alex — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:10:26 GMT

It's true! Maybe the way she said it was harsh, but the backbone to the message absolutely grounded. I liked Obama in the beginning, but my feelings have changed as this campaign has progressed. I'm not hearing specifics. I was enchanted with change... but I haven't heard much in the way of supporting details. Furthermore, I'm a little disillusioned with his idea of change. For someone who speaks so much of it, I'm questioning why his stance on health care isn't more progressive. Lowering medical costs and insurance prices is far from a radical initiative. In that respect, Clinton and Edwards (when he was in) are the true radicals by proposing actual universal health care. Now that's change.

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bill sf, ca — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:18:25 GMT

New title for Senator Obama'a book: The Inauthenticity of Hope" ghost-written by David Axelrod

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Liz Petre, Carbondale, IL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:19:59 GMT

I wonder how much Xerox paid her to mention their brand name during the debate. Product placement at its best. This coming from the Senator who has received more money from lobbyists and corporations than any Republican candidiate. Very interesting...

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Jack, Laredo, Texas — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:20:01 GMT

That comment was entirely un-presidential and catty. Obama clearly got the best of Clinton in this debate as she was unable to conceal her discomfort at times (constantly shifting and appearing to literally bite her tongue at times). She lost her composure.

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S, Michigan — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:21:24 GMT

The young voters really need to learn about what's really happening in our world. If they would, they would vote for Hillary. Obama CAN NOT win the national election. Please, think it over.

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Larry W. Long, Puyallup, WA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:28:12 GMT

Comment "J" burbled on about above - Republicans believing in SMALL government. Would this be the same Republicans that are in your bedrooms; the same ones who try to dictate what women can and cannot do concerning reproductive rights. The same crowd who brought us the Patriot Act, FISA, and who are pulling no punches to try to censor the INTERNET? This same group of BIBLE thumpers (not that BIBLE thumping is wrong, just don't force it)who forced me to drive 100 miles in 1973 to see the Exorcist after banning it in the county I resided in. These same free spirits that banned "Catch Her in the Rye" from our local library. Don't forget that tower of human rights, our former Attorney General, Ashcroft, who spent $6000.00 to have Lady Liberty's bare breast covered. Are these the same conservative who preach family values and are so concerned about children up to the point of them actually being born and then cut all funding connected with assistance for those needing it. Small government?? Give me a break!

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Kim Starr — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:33:56 GMT

can someone PLEASE list 2 accomplishments of Hillary's?? Just 2?

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Jim, Carbondale, IL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:39:35 GMT

I thought they both did well, but I am troubled by Clinton's characterization of Obama's remarks as plagiarism. Candidates use each others' lines all the time. By her logic, didn't Clinton plagiarize John Edwards at the end of the debate when she said "we'll all be fine?"

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Jim, Carbondale, IL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:45:15 GMT

I thought they both did a good job, but I am troubled by Clinton's characterization of Obama's remarks as "plagiarism." By her logic, didn't she plagiarize John Edwards at the end when she said "no matter what, we'll all be fine?"

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Wha? — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:48:38 GMT

"Change you can Xerox" sounded way too scripted and lame to me. Also, I don't get the pundits who say she "blew him away" at the end. She ended well, that doesn't mean she won the debate. She got booed after that ridiculous plagiarism accusation! People who win debates don't get booed! C'mon pundits, try to be a little fair.

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Neil Kiley — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:56:47 GMT

When is someone going to point out that Hillary is used to using other people's words without attribution? "It Takes a Village" was largely ghostwritten by Georgetown professor Barbara Feinman, but Hillary smallmindedly refused to give her any credit in the book.

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Joe Staten Island NY — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:14:20 GMT

Bravo Pat,

I'm from downstate and still can't figure out what
Hillary did besides run for President. It also amazes me that Obama got no votes in certain city districts. Now we find out he did in fact have quite a few votes which weren't counted, what did Bloomberg call it "FRAUD". Hillary fits well in the silly land where she has her ideas only, Obama hit that one with health care, these closed door meetings and petty insults are right up her alley. Sorry Hillary change we can trust is on the way.

YES WE CAN

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Trish Campie, Tucson, AZ. — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:25:36 GMT

I wish she had said more about Obama's proclivity for not only using speech lines from others, but by also drawing comparisons between his campaign and his qualities with the efforts and qualities of those whose speeches he recites, as if in debate class. He is not MLK Jr., JFK Jr., Caesar Chavez or anyone else but Barack Obama. He needs to develop his own lines and his own story filled with life's experiences to back up those lines. That was the point of her comment and the campaign's criticism of his rhetoric-rich, practical experience-poor approach to this nomination. People may not like Hillary Clinton, but her experiences are for real, they are hers, and there is no doubt that her record speaks for itself. Obama's borrowed words and false comparisons to great Americans, on the other hand, is all that speaks for himself.

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cheryl az — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:29:46 GMT

He does use others words example from Tonight, Sen. Obama said: “In Youngstown, Ohio, I talked to workers who have seen their plants shipped overseas due to consequences of poor deals it's like NAFTA that have literally seen equipment unbolted from the floors of factories and shipped to China.” [CNN Univision Debate, 2/21/08]

John Kerry in 2004: “What does it mean in America today when Dave McCune, a steel worker I met in Canton, Ohio, saw his job sent overseas and the equipment in his factory literally unbolted, crated up, and shipped thousands of miles away along with that job?” [Kerry Remarks, Democratic Convention, 7/29/04

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BL, Cincinnati OH — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:32:56 GMT

Funny... she bashes him on a line that his co-chair gave him and told him to use...

Then she closes with:

"All of us will be fine. What's at stake is whether America is going to be fine."

Which is what John Edwards said when he left the race.

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Shannon Wade, Birmingham, Al — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:37:34 GMT

Barrack wins the nomination, I stay home in November. I so agree with you Larry W. He's not ready to be President just yet. I like him, but he's gotten to big for his britches. He actually believe he can lead our powerful nation. I would also hate for him to be making life and death decisions. Oh wait! he probably won't have to because he will probably summon everyone to hold hands and sing "kumbaya". It would really be a shame if Hillary loses the nomination over someone who seems to speak an eloquent game. I pray to God for the sake of the country that he can deliver. I would hate to endure another Bush-like 4 years.That's why I will refuse to go vote for him. I don't want to feel responsible for what he does (or doesn't) to our country

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seema, north brunswick, nj — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:42:09 GMT

Obama seems to be only good at speeches. I have yet to hear more than rhetoric. To me those so called inspirational speeches after a while ring hollow because of lack of specifics. I think its naive to think that you will change 200 years of politics in one grand sweep. I still support Hillary who has actually participated in making change and learnt from both her successes and failures.

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AJ, IL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:42:21 GMT

Just admit it Hillary-supporters! You don't want Hillary in the White House you want Bill Clinton back in the White House. Unfortunately, the rest of America doesn't want Bill living in the White House. Too visit,yes!

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E. Berkeley,CA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:44:44 GMT

After watching Obama's surrogate Kirk Watson on Hardball(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23261748#23261748) I feel that all Obama supporters should take a second look at his accomplishments. BTW State Government is quite different than the federal government. I feel strongly that the xerox comment was powerful. Obama is always bringing up heros of the past and it is annoying. Yes words matter but I think that actions to back words is more powerful. I don't need any presidential nominee to tell me that change is needed, I think all democrats agree. One more thing, would one of you Obama supporters tell me about this new type of politics you all talk about? Like this is some sort of revolution, lets see how Republicans think of that...

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MAMN — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:02:20 GMT

The problem with Hillary's universal health care is that it does not require any insurance or Drug Company to reduced their cost not it mandate the provider to offer equal and reduced plan to every one and it lacks of uniformity across the board. The worst part of her plan is that if some one failed to buy that coverage because of the person can not afford to buy it, under her plan she will garnish the wages of that person as a penalty. Mandating health care coverage will choke our pocket along with rising cost of daily needs. The other part of the problem is she will never be able to bring enough people in to pass it through legislator and her plan will die like same way it failed in 90's.
As we know in order to advance any kind of reform, president must need to have majority of support in his/her side which is one of the Clinton's great disadvantages. She has no appeal to others to join with her to for a common goal.
On the other hand, Obama's plan does specify about bringing cost down so it become affordable to everyone. Any one in the right mind has no reason not to buy the most needed health coverage if they can afford it. Senator Obama is right on the money when he has addressed the main reason why people can not buy the health insurance. With rising cost of health care and drugs we have no option but to choose in between health and food.
We can not afford to live another 4 years with out real coverage.

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Terry Earle, Wallingford, VT — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:16:41 GMT

Did someone give her that line? Since Xerox was founded in 1970 let's try Richard M Nixon, she was way out of line because we all that she had the line in her head but she pulled it off very lame, Obama is either very lucky or she is an idiot could be both.

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TR, El Paso TX — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:17:16 GMT

Surprisingly that line worked for me.

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Greg, Buffalo, MN — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:22:57 GMT

Senator Clinton's final touchy,feeley "We'll be fine blah, blah," comment was stolen from John Edwards!! He said it in more than one of the debates in which he participated. What kind of a phony hypocrite accuses someone of plagiarism, and "Change you Can Xerox" and then uses someone elses words as their own "Above the Fray" compassionate closing comment!

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Daniel, Albuquerque, NM — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:43:38 GMT

That zerox comment was a dud. Especially after she repeated John Edwards at the end. Her comments about the crippled soldiers and the war and Mcains support and all that really irritated me because she voted for Bush take us to war. I thought Obama made very good points about his better judgement over Hillary's. And she again proved she is just pulling every political trick out of the bag to save her dying campaign with the zerox comment and later pulling the sympathy routine and how honored she was to be there with him bull. One more thing, why are so many Hillary supporters so blind to Obamas proven experience and legislative record? Why all this talk of his lack of substance? What greater experience does she have that he doesnt? I dont buy that argument. Have they really ever looked? Im more impressed with his than hers by far. All in all It was a decent debate. Obama looking better with time and Hillary looking like she's facing to calling it quits.

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Marbw — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:46:06 GMT

The audience booed her 'xerox' attack.

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Robert Loveman, Mahwah, NJ — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:11:57 GMT

Aisha:

Turn off the caps lock key and just stop now. Your comments exemplify what the Clinton spin machine can do to brainwash the population. Not all "18 YR OLD SCHOOL BOYS AND SCHOOL GIRLS" solely rely on Youtube to learn about the issues. You have to give credit to the Obama campaign for motivating the youth to become actively involved in the political process. Just because Barack Obama is gifted in the art of public speaking does not in any way undermine his political potential. In his four years in the Senate, Senator Obama has helped pass many pieces of legislation.

Although you may not necessarily agree with Barack Obama, there's no reason to undermine his support by stating that they are all "YOUNG ADULT 18 YR OLDS" who do not care about the issues, and watch Youtube for "GOOD FEELING SPEECHES." Instead of jumping on the "Obama speaks purely in rhetoric" bandwagon, why don't you actually take the time to sit down and watch some of Senator Obama's speeches. Youtube is a wonderful tool to go about this, and I think we all are rather fortunate to have a tool unlike any other that can be used to further delve into the minds of the candidates. Never has a tool of this caliber been accessible to the general public for any Presidential Election. No matter how naive you may be, Obamamania has run wild. It would be best for the Democratic Party for Senator Clinton to graciously step down and help unite the fractured party. They need to ensure they are in the best position to take down John McCain if they do not want to see another four to eight years of disaster.

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Huang Liuyi, Shenzhen, Guangdong, China — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:14:23 GMT

"Change you can xerox", that makes Hilary more presidential.

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Kishan, Texas. — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:19:42 GMT

Hillary was outstanding....Change you can XEROX... one line that will stand for ever. Less Hat More Cattle is another...She is creative.

I know JFK, JFK was a friend of mine. Obama you are NO JFK!

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Ian — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:35:21 GMT

AISHA:
Try turning the Caps Lock key off. It's called SHOUTING and is considered bad manners by all those computer-savvy 18-year olds your trying to persuade to vote Hillary with that demeaning inference to one of their information medium preferences.

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Marcos, Austin, TX — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:42:47 GMT

She did good in the debate. Confident and strong. WE see her as a strong formidable candidate against McCain. Obama wouldn't last agant the Repubs. They're already sharpening their ax. Anyway, the states that have been left out may not even vote in November out of spite. It seems like Latinos & Whites might just push her over the top. Dems need to stop the BS and work together on one ticket. But, the Veep should be Obama. He could get the nod for the following election. I like them both, but Hillary wins on several solid points.

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Mike Frazier — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:06:59 GMT

I agree with the previous poster who said he supported Hillary but believed Obama will win the nomination.

It's so sad. People think Obama stands for change, but they don't understand where that change is expected to come from. People think Obama is riding the front of a movement, but they don't understand the nature of that movement. Wait until Obama has been in office a few years, and the expected change has not occurred. See what he says is the reason.

America is dying. I guess it's been sick for a long time. These are the death throes.

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Sam B, Seattle Wash — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:11:49 GMT

I don't believe this crap that Hillary has more experience. NO ONE has experience making difficult choices in the white house, Hillary doesn't have experience because she's never been president, and she never had to make choices like her husband...She will be EXACLTLY like her husband, and thats not change.

OBAMA, doesn't have experience, but neither did George Washington, Lincoln, or any other president for that matter.

all you people for hillary thinking experience matters are naive

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Eron, Fairfax, VA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:50:49 GMT

Ah c'mon, that was a good one, seriously. A rhetorical jab, sure. But Obama has a good sense of humor. He can take a joke. He got a couple of good ones in on her as well (that she thinks his supporters are delusional).

Since Barack is passionate about change, he felt personally slighted by her comment. This is understandable, and perhaps Clinton should have been more mindful of that. But are we so sensitive that we can't handle a little rhetorical banter? I thought "change you can xerox" was an appropriate enough rebuttal to "silly season," which was really funny in its own right. Campaign slogan wordplay is a classic rhetorical move, and I hope we can grant some leeway for showmanship, no matter what our political leanings.

Personally, I was more shocked by the audience's reaction. Audiences act as cues for our expectations. Cheers and jeers can color our perceptions, making a relatively benign comment seem malicious or a mediocre joke hilarious. This is why sitcoms have laugh tracks. If the audience didn't kick up such a big fuss, we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Plus, ya gotta give it up for Hillary for recovering so nicely. She spoke with poise, compassion, and conviction throughout the debate. She also took care at the end to express her respect for Senator Obama, and I am not so cynical as to doubt her sincerity. The fact of the matter is that Hillary's saucy gibe was simply not received in the intended spirit, and for that we can blame only our fragile liberal gentility.

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Anna, Los Angeles, CA. — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:13:30 GMT

It isn't just his words that he copies. Every one of his policy positions came out AFTER Edwards and Clinton had unveiled there. This guy is the biggest PR job since Ronald Reagan. He's not the Black JFK -- he's the Black Reagan -- all slogans and playing to your emotions, and attacking Washington. If Washington politics is so bad, why is he a US Senator, and what has he done in his admittedly short 3 years there to change the discourse? Other than projecting himself towards the Presidency? We just had 8 years of a guy people elected because he was more "likeable," but who was completely inexperienced for the job. If Obama gets the nomination, and somehow wins (which I doubt because the Repubs are not going to just roll over and drink the Kool Aid because of his eloquence) -- we're in for at least another 4 years of an "on the job" trainee.

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ladydemocrat Annapolis MD — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:19:54 GMT

Oh! And isn't it supposed to be "photocopy" now?
Trademark legal kind of stuff?

Come on, Hillary, plagiarism is all you have? Especially when you are only exposing yourself? I think I'd look in the mirror a bit more often before you come out with an attack--be sure you aren't guilty of the same methodology.

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Susan Wheeler — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:05:40 GMT

Hilliary, there you go again..."Change you can Xerox"...just didn't sound spontaneous...who wrote that for YOU? And did you give credit to your writer? Stop being tacky. Barack passed up several chances to nail you last night. Do the same.

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max, NYC — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:07:32 GMT

Clinton is ALWAYS portrayed as "tied to special interests" and "old-school" politics, which obviously ignores that SHE WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO TRY TO GIVE US UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE and her failure was the fault of Rebpublicans, not her own. For some reason, everyone blames her for trying.

Ask yourself this: If Clinton were an "insider" and so well supported by special interests, 1) Where is the money? Her campaign is struggling financially. Don't these powerful special interests want her to win, so they can promote their powerful agendas? and 2) Why is she hated so much by Republicans? They are supposedly backed by the same special interests and therefore should be on the same team, right? They should be happy to see a representative of their constituents gain the White House, right? THEIR HATRED BELIES THE CLAIM THAT HILLARY IS ANOTHER TOKEN POLITICIAN, BECAUSE THEY ARE DEATHLY AFRAID OF HER GAINING POWER. What's to be afraid of? Change, for a change? We might never know, since Republicans apparently are happier to see Obama as the nominee and are doing everything they can to help him, even including switching party affiliation for the primaries.

Ask yourself, why do Repblicans and their media machine (FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, NY1) love Obama? (Hint: The answer is NOT his dashing good looks.)

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Pete, Albany, NY — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:16:48 GMT

Senator Obama is right...any continued pursuit of plagiarism accusations is silly. Senator Clinton tried the "Change You Can Xerox" line and it landed like a turd in a punch bowl. The folks in Austin didn't want to hear it and she was booed for it.

She levels the plagiarism charge and then takes a line out of John Edwards' playbook at the end of the night? The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

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James, Killeen, TX — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:55:20 GMT

Sigh, the cult of Obama is so tiresome. The change you can Xerox approach is not the approach that I would have taken but it is a valid one. However, I am tired of Obama constantly saying that, “It’s a debate I’m happy to have.” Well, Hillary has brought up the “flaws” in his health plan several times but he still hasn’t given details on his own plan. Rather, he says that Hillary’s plan will fail because it will force people to purchase a plan they might not be able to afford and that his plan is better because people can opt out of health insurance. His attack ignores the fact that the basis of Hillary’s plan is providing cheap health coverage and that some people will not be able to afford it, but wouldn’t that be a potential downfall of his program as well? Also, his speech on judgment was laughable. Yes, Clinton has made a mistake but at least she is open about the fact that it was a mistake. On the other hand, we have a person who wants to pretend his judgment is perfect. Let us no forget that Obama will always have the honor of being one of the few presidential candidates to piss of a nation with his Pakistan comments. His vows were silly, stupid, immature, and as far as I know, he hasn’t held himself accountable for what he said. Obama is all talk and I’m sad that idealism is overpowering pragmatism in this race.

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Ken Mesle — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:10:29 GMT

Brian - Hubbard Ohio,
How can he copy her plans when she is the last one to unveil them. Seems to me she waited a long time to put her copy of Edward's healthcare plan out there. I know you Clinton supporters like to rewrite history...but give me a break. It also seemed like she trying to remake herself into a populist (again borrowing from Edwards.) It is laughable that the only Democratic candidate who accepts lobbiest money is trying to say that she is for the everyday American ONLY! Oh I'm sure she'll throw a couple of bones to the middle class but on the whole it will business as usual. Maybe that should be business with a capital "B".

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Torrey, NYC — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:20:58 GMT

ha ha - yeah, my first reaction to that xerox comment was: i wonder if someone on her staff wrote that?

the way she spoke, she made it sound like she - and all other respectable politicians - write all their own speeches, and that is just not true. not even close. barack actually writes a lot more of his work than most others do.

the only thing he actually said that deval patrick also said was "just words?" - the rest of it was quotations from other famous presidents and political leaders.

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ChoiceinOhEight,Charlotte,NC — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:22:44 GMT

Just watch Hillary's immature reactions to anything Obama says. Just change the face,it could be McCain or Bush. That same I'm always right your wrong attitude. Look where that attitude has gotten us in eight years. As a life long republican who voted for Bush twice as the lesser of all evils I have switched to Independent so that I can help shape the primary in my state and give this country a chance for choice Obama vs. McCain. I lived in New York for 50 years and have seen the slimy Clinton process do absolutley nothing for New York.

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Paulina Melvina, Chicago, IL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:26:39 GMT

"Change you can Xerox" -- Zing!

Seriously, Hillary?

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naveedsmind — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:45:21 GMT

Xerox isn't just a copy capability. It's insulting that Hillary Clinton considers such a global company that does diverse document services and print solutions just a "copy company". Why does she demean the corporate world to just a verb? Obama calls for change - and even if he's wrong - at least he doesn't demean such a great company.

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Pacheck, Huntington Beach, Ca. — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:41:06 GMT

Hillary is weak. If that was her intellectual attack. Sen. Obama's answer was and has been spot on. Plagerism is a term reserved for cases where intentional damage is inflected. This don't pass the smell test.

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Ashley, Chicago, IL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:51:04 GMT

Do you really think Hillary came up with the Xerox line herself?
I'm betting one of her speech writers, came up with that line...I didn't hear her giving credit to anyone!
All of these politicians have professional writers to help them make their point, and have both quoted others on several occasions.
One should not throw stones when they live in a glass house!

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Ted Mitchell, Jackson MI — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:35:48 GMT

I think it is sad at this point for the people who insist Mr. Obama (Read: Mr President) has no experience. He addressed that very well last night.

I also find that this was a very good substantive spar by Obama. I think he detailed the differences between the health plans very well.

And while I'm rambling, the whole "I don't understand how he is going to make change" the changes are being made now!!! With the will of the american people behind him, the political gridlock we are facing will greatly diminish, as politico's will have to get on board, IN FEAR OF THIER JOBS. Obama wants policy debates on Cspan for all to see. Everyone can see their hometown senator attempting to shoot down health care.

How does re-election look now? The cahnges are already happening. Look around.

And when did the people of this great country become so cynical? As if a change for the better were impossible. Well let's just give up. insanity.