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Craig — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:20:05 GMT

The problem is that Social Security has major problems. Many people that are paying into it will never see a dime out of it. Comparing her health care to a flawed program isn't exactly selling me on it.

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troy — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:20:12 GMT

Too bad her mannerism will not allow people to remember it

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Alan, NJ — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:21:16 GMT

Exactly. How would he enforce the child mandates and people gaming his system. Can you fact check his Massachusetts comments?

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Sean, Voorhees, NJ — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:21:43 GMT

When she talks about Medicare and Social Security, she is only speaking to half of her base: Older people in this country.

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John, Columbia, TN — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:22:13 GMT

Talking. Yeah, she does a lot of it. Been a little short on coming up with a real plan. Tried it in the 1990s, I think. Failed miserably. What gives anyone the idea she's going to succeed as president? Don't think so. Old politics. Old ideas. Divider. Confronter. "Right-wing conspiracy." Shall I go on?

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RJ Indianapolis, IN — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:22:53 GMT

But, her analogy is misdirected: govt is mandated to provide either her or Obama's plan, just like govt is mandated to provide Medicare and Soc Sec. There is NO DIFFERENCE on the mandate on the govt to provide and make these plans available. But there are folks who choose not to take advantage of Medicare benefits and even SSA or SSDI or SSI benefits. So, Obama's plan that allows people to opt out if they want to take that gamble, but still mandates the opportunity be provided to all citizens.

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jacob gunden, wichita, ks — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:22:59 GMT

Hillary wants a debate on the issues, but when facts/issues don't align with what is politically expedient for her, she quickly resorts to the same old Washington attack dog ploys and plithy ad hominem remarks that she demonstrated in her 'xerox' comment. She consistently references her strong convictions in 1994 for universal healthcare...how did that work out? the unbending refusal not to negotiate, not to compromise? How many people were prevented from receiving some form of healthcare, who otherwise couldn't afford it, b/c she couldn't work with the other side?

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Bee — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:23:06 GMT

This is not going to work

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Ross, Columbus, OH — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:23:08 GMT

Though completely inaccurate. The'mandate' under Social Security and Medicare is on the Government to provide the care; her health plan is not a government mandate so the mandate is put upon the individual who must be punished if they do not purchase the insurance. I think if she continually tries to push this point these holes will be exposed.

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Kathie Smith, Minneapolis, MN — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:24:40 GMT

But the mandates are kind of a scary thing. I really hate to see what the Republicans do to Dems if that's what we're going with. We have been trying to get "universal" health care since the civil war. Each step forward was part of a push for health care for all and ended with incremental, yet important steps.

We are not going to get universal coverage this time either. What we might be able to pass is what Obama is suggesting. If we go with Clinton's mandates (and mandates only work if they have teeth--what will Repubs do with that!) we will get nothing.

Oh, and Social Security was not universal at first, either. In fact, not even teachers paid into it until the mid to late 80s.

Change will need to be incremental. Obama knows that. That's why he'll be successful at creating change, and why Clinton's "I can make change" comes out tinny.

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Pam, Houston — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:24:47 GMT

Sales pitch or no sales pitch... The bottom line is folks will be penalized under her health care plan. She has yet to "sell" how she will collect on those funds. Obama's plan is comprehensive and realistic. And he doesn't want to force folks to buy it if they cannot afford it. I would much rather have a say so in whether I want to buy it or not!

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LHarris, Chicago, IL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:24:48 GMT

I disagree, Chuck. I think this just plays into the "Hillarycare" and socialism charges that the Right will lob. I don't think that treating people like children and taking choice away from them is going to be the more popular position. Now, it might be the better policy; I don't claim to be an expert on that. But politically, Obama's got the more tenable position.

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jennifer, IL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:25:29 GMT

social security and medicare has fines and mandates? im sorry. i think its her sly move to blanket her coverage as effective when it clearly is not. and its not effective in Massachusetts. Obama was brilliant to identify that hc program as a very good example of how flawed that idea really is.

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PBrown — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:26:11 GMT

Effective? What are you talking about....She sounds like a child trying to be heard.....

And she also sound nervous and a little less-confident

Plain and simple she needs to get some rest

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S, Ruff — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:29:17 GMT

True but it also plays to the Socialist message that the Republican's will push. As American Adults we do not want to be told that we HAVE to buy crappy insurance. Some of us have great insurance and do not want our bosses to switch us to a government plan where we pay the same or more and have fewer options. I have seen Medicare up close and personal with my parents and it is a subpar program that tries to be too much for too many and is a big step down for most people after their Retirement coverage ends.

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No More Status Quo, Philly PA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:31:31 GMT

Except that Medicare is in running on a defeicit and Social Security is grossly mismanaged. The last thing the American people want is for the government to manage our health care.

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Sue, Chicago — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:32:04 GMT

I'd prefer to try health care Obama's way first. We could go to a more enforcement oriented approach later if Obama's way doesn't work, and if the American people said that's the way to go.

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steve, houston, tx — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:33:31 GMT

I believe comparing health care plans to SS sounds good at first, but it also seems like a huge bloated system that will be bankrupt in no time. Channeling LBJ there in Austin...

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Jeff Tyler — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:36:27 GMT

I think I am fallin gin love with Chuck Todd. I told my wife that I want to grow out a Chuck-tee(aka: goatee). I just don't think I can carry it as well as my new man-crush. I just love math skills and his sexy wit.

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AISHA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:37:15 GMT

COME ON AMERICANS,,,,,,,WHEN I WAS PREGENANT ,,,KAISER REFUSED TO ENROLL ME,,,,,,,WHEN I NEEDED IT ,,,,,U WANT THAT FOR UR FAMILY,WITH UNIVERSAL CARE ,,,NOBODY CAN DENY U FOR NO REASON,,,,,

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Scott (Massachusetts) — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:37:18 GMT

His retort about the Massachusetts plan was long overdue - and one I think he tried to give in the California debate before he ran out of time. Those in the state who have not bought into the plan now face huge tax penalties as you have to document your coverage on state returns. Since Mitt Romney took out the penalties on business for not supplying care programs, it is all on the consumer to accept very basic plans with giant deductibles. All most of those plans do it protect the insurance companies and hospitals from being stuck with large unpaid bills from longterm and emergency care. If you buy Hillary's trickle-down argument about how the companies will simply pass those costs on to everyone then I guess it has been good in that one respect, but that is putting a lot of faith in the good nature of insurance companies to pass along the savings as well. Overall, the plan has not been as it was advertised and Obama is right to question whether it has actually been of benefit to working-class consumers.

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AISHA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:38:57 GMT

WE ARE AMERICANS,,,WE HAVE TO THINK OF UNFORTUNATE FOLKS,,,WHO CAN,T AFFORD INSURANCE ,,,,,SO WITH UNIVERSAL CARE ,,,THOSE LOW INCOME PEOPLE WILL RECIEVE MUST HEALTH CARE TOO,,,,AND WITH NO COST OR SOME COST DEPENDING ON UR INCOME,,,,,

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:42:11 GMT

Her plan, with mandates and fines will not pass Congress. The coverage may not be good and the premiums too high for people to afford. I see that only the insurance companies will benefit from Hillary's mandate. Actually, Obama's plan is something that is more likely to be implemented. However, as someone who works in the healthcare delivery system, I must state that universal health insurance isn't the same as universal access to health care. This is a complex problem and I think that although his plan is more realistic, both candidates need a more complex approach. The philosophy of health care delivery is a difficult problem and although these debates are good, they're only a start. It may be that a single payer plan will ultimately be the answer (right Dennis?).

The comparison to Social Security which is a cash benefit and Medicare which covers everything is bogus.
Obama '08

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john in anchorage — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:43:03 GMT

I think its more like FEMA, FEMA for you health needs

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Philip, NY — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:43:03 GMT

This is absurd. Social Security is for the elders who can not work as a young.

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Chad, Salt Lake City Utah — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:43:07 GMT

I have said it before and I will say it again:

When you say something STUPID in all caps it is STILL STUPID! Stop yelling at us!

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Steve, Chicago, IL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:48:52 GMT

This isn't new. She's even used it in past debates IIRC.

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Donna - Antioch, TN — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:50:20 GMT

I am sick of hearing how great BO is from the pundits - I think from now on I will only listen to regular news and skip CNN and MSNBC.

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Stephanie, Oklahoma City — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:54:55 GMT

Universal health care is a staple of the democratic party, and there is a reason for this - It is the most American way to approach medical care! Clinton has a real shot to finally make it happen in the United States, and that is one of the many reasons that she is the best canidate for the presidency.

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Vince, Madison NJ — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:55:13 GMT

Alan,

How do you not get the difference between mandating an adult to purchase healthcare...and mandating a child?

A child is legally unable to purchase healthcare!...A child does NOT have a choice! Stop repeating broken sound bites...
and in reference to your "fact check" plea...I lived in MA when it was passed, and for the folowing year, and he is in fact correct...

Here's the real problem with mandates..."Mandate" is just a word...without enforcement.

By Hillary's own repeated estimate, 15 million people wouldn't buy healthcare even if it was cheaper..

Still following me?...O.K, as most of you know, Healthcare, even after either Obama's or Clinton's proposal will be at least a couple of thousand a year...NOW, if you mandate coverage, and impose a fine...it would have to be less the the annual cost of healthcare (for obvious reasons)...

So, If Clinton's position is that 15 million will not pay 2000+ thousand annually if they are not "mandated" to do so...when faced with a $500 mandate...there WERE MA residence who opted to accept the fine and still not get it...That is what he was refering to.

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melodymg snohomish — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:07:21 GMT

The writer above was way off, it is OBAMA who wants fines tariff's. Hillary's plan covers everyone. This is long over due. GO HILLARY GO!!!!!!!!!!1 YES WE WILL!!!!!

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Michael D. Hafer — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:08:54 GMT

Not an effective sales pitch. lol... First Read, think it through please, then get back to us. It would be an effective sales pitch to people who have no idea what they are talking about.

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kenneth somerset ;kentucky — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:11:10 GMT

they both say they want health plan but it is not for the people worked for it like my wife her meds is almost what she draws but i know people who has never worked and draw s.s.i -;food stamps-;and most of all they get 100%health care and abuse it

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Mary Samson — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:16:40 GMT

Obama, "The Pied Piper", is great at blovating. He certainly makes his Speach Teacher proud! Just where is he taking our country (or is this now a suburb of Africa - as his church preaches)? We ALL want change, but one can't do it alone like he PROMISES. Last time, I checked I didn't see "Tattoo" greet me as I got off the plane.

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Kent Bynum, Oklahoma City, OK — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:25:00 GMT

Medicare Part A (Hospitalization ONLY) is mandated. Medicare Part B (Healthcare - Doctors visits, etc) is NOT mandatory. It is voluntary and required participants to pay a premium.

Sounds more like Obama's Plan than Hilary's. Bad comparison.

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Keith, Jeff City — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:27:31 GMT

It was John Edwards that first brought up the social security comparison in the Nevada debate...plagarisim????

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Mark, VA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:37:32 GMT

Obama seemed more tentative tonight. Clinton was given most questions first so it made Obama look like him was saying dido plus a few more lines. Clinton was more assured of what she wanted to say. That confidence and straight forward delivery shows me she has the experience to be President. This is something that Obama did not show me. I have been looking for an excuse to join the surge, but Obama has not showed me he has the experience. He is a great inspirer, but that is not enough. He could gain that experience as a Vice President or more years in the Senate.

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Ken James — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:41:03 GMT

Just what we need, another program that will make the country broke.

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Senator Obama - all hat and no cattle. Best line of the night. — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:42:56 GMT

Senator Obama - all hat and no cattle. Best line of the night.

To the Obama supporters who booed - you showed us all the class you had!

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Mike, Huntersville, NC — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:43:58 GMT

YES, EXACTLY. Obama's plan is what has been promised for decades but the fact is, if there's no mandate, it doesn't work. Obama's plan is the same-old strategy. CLINTON IS CHANGE - SMARTER, EXPERIENCED CHANGE.

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nuanced — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:45:27 GMT

"The problem is that Social Security has major problems. Many people that are paying into it will never see a dime out of it." -- Craig

Did you know that many people will never see a dime out of their car insurance and not a dime out of their home insurance. What a scandal. What flawed policy. Luckily we will all see a return on our life insurance.

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nuanced — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:50:11 GMT

Jeff, you are thinking about the wrong kind of mandate. ;)

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MK, Orlando, FL — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:50:43 GMT

I think it's an excellent comparison. Folks, what you don't realize is that you are already paying for people who don't have health care! It in your taxes. It's in the cost of your dr visits and Rx's.

People just don't truly understand the facts and how much more money this will put in or pockets in the long run, and how much more healthy we all will be.

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Jerry, NY NY — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:53:48 GMT

Hey Troy if she were a guy you would say "he" was strong and powerful and presidential, right Troy?

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Mike, Hopkinsville Ky — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:58:40 GMT

Clinton again want's to force her brand of health care on the american people. She tried this in the early 1990's behind closed doors, which resulted in the republican revolution of 1994. Obama I believe will bring together experts (including Clinton) to arive at a plan that the american people can live with.
It's definitely a matter of style. Clinten's devisive force and Obamas bringing about a coalition.

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Kathy Kelley, Boston, MA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:06:12 GMT

Speaking of Massachusetts, look at the way the voters feel suckered by Deval Patrick. We all fell for "Yes we can!". What we are getting is not we can't unless we suck up to the gaming industry and open casinos all over the state. NOT what we thought we were getting. See Joan Vennochi's Opinion column in today's Boston Globe for the true picture. We regret hiring a rookie, and lost a year on the learning curve.

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mexed, san antonio, texas — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:06:20 GMT

We make people wear helmets, we force people to get out of pools and lakes to body check, we punish people who have no car insurance, all pay taxes. The list is endless and much of it has minimal positive effect on the whole of the population. Yet, requiring insurance would have a total effect of 1. minimal coverage that would provide better health care, especially for the less wealthy, 2. ultimate lower costs for those who now have to pay for the uninsured. It's that simple. Yes,requiring that you have insurance is better for the common good and for the good of the individual. That's good government, nothing more.

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Deb Winslow — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:09:11 GMT

In a general election, Obama's plan is going to be more palatable to Republicans than Hillary's mandate. Republicans will see Hillary's mandate as making them pay for some poor sick child who can't get health care, and they want no part of that. Me first!

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Torri Connelly, San Antonio, Texas — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:10:29 GMT

Hillary should be claiming victory for her earlier health care efforts.

In 1993 it made sense that she had failed. Did she make mistakes back then? Yes. From a 2008 vantage point, we should recoginize that Harry and Louise proved the country was not then ready for the idea of universal health care as a moral issue.

Standing on the sholders of Ted Kennedy's efforts in the 1970's, along with many others, Hillary's hard work and willingness to continue despite the constant barrage she has faced, almost since we first heard of her, is why this nation may now, at long last, embrace the idea.

That is change we can believe in!

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s comp, Chas., WV — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:15:34 GMT

Social Security is not mandatory to railroad workers, some fire departments and police agencies.

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Carol, Lake Elmo, MN — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:16:46 GMT

The one thing all of you are not thinking about, is Social Security is in trouble mainly because there are more collecting than paying in right now. With Health Care withheld, it would be no different than having your employer withhold, and would be less than what were having withheld now. And costs will be going down so we wouldnt have the out of pocket expenses like we do now

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Carol, Lake Elmo, MN — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:20:09 GMT

So Vince, then According to Obama, if a parent doesnt provide healthcare for their own kids they are neglectful, and should be punished.

So why put parents in a position of committing a crime, mandate everyone to have it, and we can move on

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Jasmine, NC — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:29:55 GMT

As a Republican I am voting for Obama, health care is one of the reasons. He is logical and balanced. He does not expect to shove plans down the independant Americans throat, he offers solutions.

Also worth noting is that he's not just trying to get the vote of the uninsured like Clinton, he looks at the good for all Americans. I have insurance and I have devoted many years working for little money in my local school system for that insurance, under Clinton I am not rewarded for my hard work, but under Obama's plan, my premiums get cut and uninsured get insurance. It's a fair solution for all. Just like so many of his policies, fair and balance like he is.

If I the Republican can see this, I think that the republican representatives in the house nad senate can see it too and vote for his bill as I will be votin gfor him.

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pete — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:39:03 GMT

Most states fine people for driving without car insurance. What makes it so different to mandate that people carry health insurance? Those of us who pay for health insurance and taxes end up paying for those who don't care to insure themselves. Senator Clinton's plan offers insurance to those who don't already have a plan. If Senator Obama thinks the only reason people aren't insured is because they can't afford it, he is even more naive than I originally thought. People often make the decision to spend money on nice cars,clothes,phones and entertainment. Then they expect healthcare to be free. I work in healthcare and see it often.

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Cissy Hartley — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:50:04 GMT

There's a fundamental difference between mandated health care and Social Security or Medicare. It costs nothing to receive Social Security or Medicare benefits. Why would anyone opt out?? Social Security and Medicare are paid for by taxes and PROVIDED automatically by the government. Mandated Health coverage would demand that individual PURCHASE health care coverage.

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Jerry, NY NY — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:09:51 GMT

Wait till YOUR company drops the health insurance benefit as so many have already. Then you will be forced to go buy an individual policy for you and your family. In New York, an HMO for a family on a single pay plan costs more than $1800. That's $1800 a month. How many of you can afford that? All of you who are complaining about universal health care, I hope. Because as we need to become more globally competitive, the one major monkey on companies backs is health care benefits. In short you cost your boss too damned much money. It's cheaper for him to take your job to another country in the far east, dude. Soon we will all be in that predicament of having our health care insurance dropped by our employers, and then we won't be so smug will we now? The only thing that separates any one of us from those who are forced into this predicament is luck right now, and that luck is running out as more and more companies drop health care insurance. Losta luck, folks.

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Jerry, NY NY — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:14:25 GMT

Social security has problems because our politicians have robbed from the till. We could have fixed social security problems five times over with the money we have wasted in Iraq, and still have a trillion left over. And that doesn't even include the hundreds of billions of dollars that disappeared unaccounted for by special friends of Cheney and Bush, also known as no-bid contractors.

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Veen75, Laguna, CA — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:01:27 GMT

I'm SICK & TIRED listening to Senator Clinton saying that she has this 35 years of experience and READY ON DAY ONE.

Well SHE CAN'T EVEN TAKE CHARGE OF HER OWN CAMPAIGN NOW WITH all that experience, plus having been thru 2 presidential elections of former president Clinton, and this is all she got? If you can't even get your primary (no less) presidential campaign together how do you expect to run a country? Talking about how Senator Obama is not ready, Obviously so far he's ready enough to go against the CLINTON MACHINE….

With all the good that comes from Senator Clinton experience also come a lot of bad ones. That 35 years of experience also give us the war in Iraq, No Child Left Behind, Bankcruptcy Law, NAFTA, not to mention secrecy conduct that would rival President Bush. You would've known what you know now Senator Clinton if you bothered to read the NIE report, obviously those 35 years experience didn't lead you to that judgment. I don't know what kind of your own research that you did, what kind of advice that you got, those 35 years of experiences still DIDN'T LEAD YOU TO THE CORRECT ANSWER.

AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS HEALTHCARE STUFF, with all HER EXPERIENCES, I watched when she came out with her healthcare plans after John Edwards & Barack Obama came out with theirs almost a year ago, HER PLANS were basically IDENTICAL WITH JOHN EDWARDS'. So, now she has the nerve to say Barack Obama plagiarized Patrick Devall, WELL SENATOR CLINTON PLAGIARIZED JOHN EDWARDS' HEALTHCARE PLAN. She just copied his plan and change his name to hers.

I mean is this the person who supposed to be the inevitable candidate? The person who has been collecting money from donors for more than 2 decades now, and THIS IS THE BEST CAMPAIGN & MESSAGE she can deliver FROM THOSE 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE?

I'M INEVITABLE, I'M EXPERIENCE, I'M READY ON DAY ONE,I'M SO READY I HAD TO COPY MY HEALTHCARE PLAN FROM JOHN EDWARDS, I'M SO READY I HAVE TO MAKE SURE QUESTIONS GIVEN TO ME BY THE PEOLE ARE PLANTED AND THOSE THAT AREN'T HAVE TO BE PRE SCREENED, I'M SO READY I HAVE TO KILL ANY ARTICLE FROM BEING PUBLISHED IN CASE IT SAYS SOMETHING BAD ABOUT ME, I'M SO READY THAT I DIDN'T THINK I NEED TO MAKE MY CASE TO PEOPLE IN SMALL STATES LIKE WASHINGTON, NEBRASKA, DELAWARE OR VIRGINIA, I'M SO READY THAT CAUCUSES AREN'T IMPORTANT SO I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY, I'M SO READY THAT EVEN IF I LOOSE 11 ELECTIONS IN A ROW IT'S STILL VIABLE TO SAY THAT I'M THE MOST EXPERIENCED AND READY ON DAY ONE AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

And this is coming from somebody who's NOT even voting for her opponent.

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Kevin, Austin, TX — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:24:18 GMT

The real solution to health care is that health care should be our right as citizens. It should not be a service that we an buy if we want it or not. I believe in socialized, government-run healthcare. That's what the Clinton's believe in also. However, her current plan is nowhere near that. And Obama's is even further away. But in terms of political reality, his is more likely to move the compass away from a highly un-regulated, free-market industry that really isn't working to ensure that we have a country that takes care of the health care rights of it's individual members.

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Lee, NYC — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:40:16 GMT

When Hillary compared Social Security and Medicare to her health care, she meant only that there WILL be a tax taken out of your check each week to go to your healthcare. If you elect not to get healthcare you will be given a tax credit. It's most efficient way to cover everyone. Barack Obama, doesn't have a healthcare plan at all, just using this because his feet were put to the fire by Edwards, who had the first real healthcare plan, praised by many, way last year, Hillary Clinton had her seven month later, Baracks' is a pretend plan. WAKE UP PEOPLE.

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Friend — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:44:31 GMT

he is going to be pres, and he can get her plan through

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tom,des moines,ia — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:45:46 GMT

Obama want to mandate a healthcare plan for anyone who is under 25 yrs of age,but not someone who is over 25 yrs of age.Why?

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Geneva Cincinnati Ohio — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:00:10 GMT

What happens when those 15 million people who choose NOT to have health insurance because they "can't afford it" ( although they make too much to get help from programs) show up at hospitals and need assistance? Who will be footing the bill? The tax payers. It isn't true that people can't AFFORD health care, they spend money on other things they can live without. Like digital cable, or nicer cars than they can afford, or high interest rates on loans they should have never signed, or CREDIT CARDS. Americans have issues with spending instead of saving. For those who TRULY can't afford to pay the premiums offered by Hillary will be covered by medicare. Obama's programs is just like the rest of him...amature. Are we expected to just wait until those who choose not to be covered come in for medical assistance and THEN say " Well...shoot. What are we gonna do about them?" No one like mandates, and they are hard to enforce, but at least it's a better starting point to negotiations. I hope the rest of Ohio feels the same way and votes HILLARY '08.

In the words of MLK. "You should judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character." And a man OR WOMAN'S character is shown most purely when you see them overcoming adversity. Keep that in mind. Talk is cheap.

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Tom Ulcak — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:48:38 GMT

Social security is a HUGE success. It has worked great. The only problem is that instead of leaving the funds alone, the republicans rifled the funds and used them to pay for tax breaks for the wealthy and military spending.

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ladydemocrat Annapolis MD — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:03:35 GMT

I, too, became very familiar with Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security while caring for my father. Plus, well before prescriptions were covered under Medicare. That system is a bandage put on a huge cut and it too needs a bit of a revamp.

We who work, get taxes taken out of our paychecks to pay for Medicare, even though we are not "old" enough to qualify for getting it.

That kind of talking point that you reference above will fall on its proverbial face if any candidate picks it up to run with it. Any research into how those systems work (S.S. broken, Medicare lacking, Medicaid IS the current health insurance for non-insured people) will prove it to and unwise comparison.

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Jessie Harbin, Holcomb , MS — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:32:57 GMT

I think Hillary did a wonderful job last night. It is so obvious that the people on msnbc are so pro Obama. I am so tired of the Hillary bashing. I don't know whats wrong with America, people are getting so caught up in Obama's so-called inspirational speeches. Do they not realize that this is not a game, we could very well end up with Obama as president, a man who is just not ready. Well, I'm not caught up in the hype we need to stop this maddness before its too late.

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FGB — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:45:11 GMT

Social Security is a failed system. How is the country going to pay for SS as the mass of boomers retire?

The image that comes to mind in comparing mandated participation in Universal Health Care to that of SS is not one of success; it is one of failure.

Clinton finds a good new talking point

Jewels, Conway, Arkansas — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:49:35 GMT

Good message, Vince. It also bears saying that under Obama's plan, those of us that have good insurance can keep it, along with a $2500 subsidy for insurance premiums per year. I can't say for sure, but I haven't heard whether Clinton's plan allows you to keep your current health insurance if you are happy with it.

Clinton finds a good new talking point

Ralph, Washington, DC — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:43:41 GMT

Her health care plan to force people to buy health care sounds more like a dictatorship. This is a free country and we, the people, have the right to choose. Secondly, there are people today who can't afford insurance and her plan is to fine them and/or garnish their wages? If you do that, how do you expect them to pay for health care when you're taking their money away. Her plan will have the 50 million people without health care instead. In case nobody has noticed, her health care plan is the same as the one the Republicans were pushing during the first few debates.

Clinton finds a good new talking point

Jerry, NY — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:11:00 GMT

The thing is, in NY it's a thousand a MONTH for a single person individual HMO. Twice that for a family. I am sick of paying for you deadbeats who don't want to pay for your own health care. You are all scamming the system and it has to stop so that the rest of us who do pay for our own health care insurance can stop paying enough to support a family just to get health care and not go into bankruptcy if we get sick. If you don't have a couple of thousand a year, then you will get your health care free and you know it, but if you do earn enough to pay for it, why the H should the rest of us continue to carry you so that we can't even afford our own insurance anymore? Those on medicaid and medicare are all taken care of. It's the rest of us who are carrying the rest of you who are getting it in the neck. Our rates are going out of touch so that somebody out there can just take a ride.

Clinton finds a good new talking point

Lori - Superior WI — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:56:18 GMT

Did anyone catch this from the debate..apparently your plan can chage depending on where you are in the polls:
OBAMA: "Well, I think that Senator Clinton mentioned two specific issue areas where we've got some differences. I'm happy to debate those, which is what I think should be the focus of this campaign. We both want universal health care.

When I released my plan a few months later, we were in a debate and Senator Clinton said we all want universal health care. Of course, I was down 20 points in the polls at the time, and so my plan was pretty good. It's not as good now, but my plan hasn't changed. The politics have changed a little bit."