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Chuck, NY — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:26:32 GMT

I found it amusing that Chris Matthew’s belittled Obama’s performance as dull. I view this debate format, and Q&A sessions he faces in press conferences, as more of a 2-way mode of conversation. I view him being in a mutually interactive and trying to communicate thoughts. Granted, he is at his best when he is allowed to speak to thousands of people in a big crowd, but why is there concern when he is not in that situation? I find his manner in these debates very collegiate and academic, and it is a characteristic that I believe is far superior to others.

Why fault a Ferrari that gets stuck in traffic? Sure it is built for the open spaces, but sometimes you just get stuck in traffic.

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Wes, NY — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:50:31 GMT

I don't understand why Hillary would claim to be a victim of getting the first question too many times.

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Gustavo Herrera, Baltimore MD — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:51:56 GMT

It's hard for Obama to be thrilling when he's up against Clinton... he can't really use rhetoric right next to her detailed answers on everything. That would just highlight the fact that she just knows more. Of course knowledge is not an automatic substitute for good judgement, but good judgement is tough to telegraph during a debate.

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Pete, Albany, NY — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:52:40 GMT

As expected, Senator Clinton was "Glenda the Good Witch" for the most part last night.

However, her prolonged debate on health care (stating nothing she hasn't said in the other 19 debates) in defiance of Williams and Russert was poor form. 16 minutes on healthcare most likely prevented further discussion on some other issues on which she'd probably have liked to have gone after Senator Obama regarding.

The SNL moment was a train wreck...her complaints made her come across as a petulant child. If debate is her strong suit then she should know better than to think she has anything to gain by travelling down that path.

On NAFTA, Senator Clinton still hasn't distanced herself enough from the issue. And, did she really suggest that failure to create 5 million jobs in New York was due solely to Al Gore's failure to win the 2000 election?

Senator Obama waffled on the Farrakhan question? How so? He took no position he hasn't taken in the past and if anything the question did nothing to help Senator Clinton as she came across as wonkish by playing the semantics game...remember how the "definition of 'is'" moment played for President Clinton?

When pressed on the issue of releasing tax returns Senator Clinton flunked badly. She complained that it would take time to get the records together and she was busy at the moment. Huh? That's what you have accountants for. She swung and missed on that issue.

Hey, maybe Senator Clinton won on points but she certainly did nothing to change the course of her campaign. Senator Obama did nothing to sink his own campaign.

Sorry, but this looks like game, set and match.

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Fred C Dobbs Sierra Madre, CA — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:52:47 GMT

I thought that SNL did a great parody but did a dis-service to CNN. The parody should have directed at MSNBC. Sorry, SNL is run on NBC!

The comedy team of Chris and Keith wasted no time in going after Clinton within seconds of their "analysis".

Good for Hillary to point out that first questions were almost always directed at her. When that happens it allows more time to Obama to formulate an answer. That is not fair in a debate.

Did it appear to you that in their "analysis", just about anything that Clinton said was turned back on her - not so for Obama.

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:53:42 GMT

I thought that Obama looked very presidential. He did what he had to do in this debate. If he was too aggressive with Hillary he would have engendered a women's sympathy vote and right now he wants to continue eating away at her core base of women supporters.

He was very prepared and most importantly got the concept across that she was complicit in supporting GWB's war. This was why she felt pressure to declare that the Iraq war vote was the one which she wished that she could take back.

Obama's momentum will remain unchecked. He will win Texas by 5% and Ohio will be close (actually this close race will be a win for him, no matter the actual outcome, because he will have closed a 20 point gap in 2 weeks). The contest for the nomination will all be over on the 5th of March and hopefully the Clintons will provide a real service to the party and to the country, by uniting with enthusiasm behind Barack as the Democratic candidate.

We need to change the tone of American foreign policy and start work on a truly progressive domestic agenda. Barack will be able to achieve this two pronged agenda. His world view will be well appreciated by our allies and disarming for our enemies. His ability to build consensus will bring victory on the domestic front. Additionally the candidacy of Barack Obama will greatly enlarge the Democratic majority in the House and Senate.
Obama '08

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Johnson, New Orleans, LA — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:54:08 GMT

Personally I thought the debate format was exceptional. I like the fact that MSNBC had the guts to ask the tough questions and not skirt around it like the other debates. Let the candidates answer the questions directly and do not let them skirt around it like they have done for so long. Its time we had more debates like this. I would have also preferred that the candidates had more time to respond to issues. I think that for future debates, it should focus on 3 or 4 specific issues and let the candidates have about 20 - 30 mins on each of the issues. I as a concerned citizen would like to know the stances of the candidates on certain things in great detail than know just a tiny bit about everything they might ever believe in.

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Nashville_fan — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:54:57 GMT

The reason people are apologizing to Senator Obama is because they are taking cheap shots. Nobody is forcing them to apologize.

The real problem is that the message that Senators McCain and Clinton are running on is not as clear and forceful as Senator Obama's, so they try to bring him down to make themselves look bigger. And it's just not working.

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Gregory Peek, Birmingham, Alabama — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:55:50 GMT

Obama won the debate because he told the truth, issue after issue.
While Hillary continues to state and demonstrate that she is a fighter, the most important attribute of a fighter is knowing who, when and why to fight. On this matter, she has completely lost her way. She should learn a lesson from Senator Chris Dodd, who also was a highly qualified candidate for the nomination. After not gaining the nomination, he had the character to do the right thing and support the candidate most able to win the November election and begin the recovery America urgently needs. Senator Dodd was the biggest winner of the day.

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Nj — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:57:29 GMT

Obama clearly won this debate. Hill whined about questions, format and then tried to use her gender to make her seem different. Guess what Hill.
We all know you are a woman.
Obama slammed her on Foreign policy as well as other things.
She looked mean, tired and was twisting like a pretzel.

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chichi, atlanta, ga — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:58:23 GMT

Hillary needss to learn to be more civil in her language and emotional use.

She said Shame on You Barack Obama, in the presence of her supporters.

Now the supporters are saying Shame on You Hillary Clinton and they are shifting to Obama.

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chichi, atlanta, ga — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:58:38 GMT

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the truth — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:58:38 GMT

for chris matthews to compare speeches to debates is absurd. they are totally different venues. chris at times is so enamored with jimself that logic escapes him. i don't think either candidate won this debate. that said, it means that hillary didn't alter the course of the momentum that has mounted in favor of obama.

bill clinton is now suggesting that she doesn't have to win texas and ohio. he has said that if she wins ohio hillary can be the nominee. it is amazing that after 11 victories by the obama campaign, hillary is still in this thing. if obama had lost 3 in a row they would have been calling for him to stop running for the benefit of the party.

i think hillary should recognize that the media has kept her in this battle and stop biting the hand that is actually keeping her campaign alive.

I think either one of the dem candidates is better than john mccain. i don't see her stopping obama's ascension to the nomination.

some of that is her own fault because of her campaign strategy and some of it is because obama has kicked that butt.

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Terry, Texas — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:59:04 GMT

The entire format of this particular debate was dull. The lighting in the building was too low and they controlled prevented the audience from showing agreement with the candidate by clapping their hands. I think CNN put on much better debates than MSNBC.

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Ray, NH — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:59:52 GMT

If mathews said that it is the first negative thing he has said about saint obama this year...that guy has turned into an unabashed obama flag waver and certified clinton hater...same thing with mika the russky on morning schmoe

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POLpursun — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:59:53 GMT

I said elsewhere on this site that Sen. Obama is the underdog until he either goes home or to the White House, whichever comes first. Most of the post-debate comments, I opine, confirm this by overplaying Clinton's effectiveness. It is absolute nonsense to posit that the establishment, which includes the media, is, let's call it, obamafied.

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Cris Askervold, West Palm Beach, Fla. — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:01:27 GMT

I agree, this is a debate, not a rally. the tone is and should be more subdued. I found that Barack spoke extremely well on his issues, didnt "whine" about being picked on or not going first. what ever happened to shivilry(spelling?) isnt it appropriate for the lady to go first. If she was truely a proven leader of our country she would have set the tone of this debate by going first and hit hard on her agenda and issues rather than complaining about it, then trying another pre written of collar comment from SNL.

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YouthVote08 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:02:16 GMT

Chris Matthews is just trying to sound as though he is being hard on Obama so the hard core Hillary fans don't blame his show sometimes sexist comments for her lost. After all David Shuester is from Hardball and Chris Matthews has already had to apoligize to the Clinton camp.

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elle, cambridge,wi — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:02:24 GMT

Three points have stayed with me regarding the debate:
Obama's HUGE gaffe on once again resorting to "I agree w/Hillary" re: the Putin question. He was WAY out of his league on that one.
Obama's waffling on flat-out rejecting Farrakhan. For that matter, he needs to reject his pastor, as well. They are scary scary people!
What's with him being busy running for President and not actually earning his salary...if his subcommittee could do SOMETHING to help the situation in Afghanistan, then why the hell isn't he doing something? Anything? TSK TSK
I took great offense at how Obama pandered to the Jewish voters. Shame on him!
I am completely amazed that people have fallen for this hope hype. Obama is a complete windbag and ill-prepared to deal with the realities of POTUS.

Free Solutions!
Keep the change!

Hillary Clinton 2008!

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elle, cambridge,wi — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:02:33 GMT

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Diamond — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:04:09 GMT

This is just a comparative analogy: Chris Mathews is like a prostitute who would strip for anyone who pays.

Journalists have to be fair and balanced, but they also have convictions and values. Chris Mathews seems to have lost it all lately. I've had enough of the Hillary and Mathews love story.

Which makes me puke when I hear people say Hillary has been over-scrutinized and Obama not. I didn't see anything in the media about Hillary's attack on a 12-year old girl's credibility in a rape case, their investments in the Cayman Islands, income from a Kazakhstan uranium deal, the presidential donors story, her role on the board of Wal Mart, her tax returns, her earmarks, etc have all been under-reported.

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Todd Porter, Lexington, KY — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:04:16 GMT

Am I the only one who thought Williams and Russert got in the way of this debate? Williams insistance on being able to ask his second question when the candidates wanted to compare health care plans was particularly irritating. I'd like to hear them explain their differences, but Williams wants to hear himself talk, and show how clever he can be. His question didn't justify cutting off the discussion. Russert is like an attack dog that never gives up and doesn't listen to what his questionees are saying. Stop trying to be the stars of the show and let the candidates speak.

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BL, Cincinnati OH — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:06:15 GMT

I really wish they would get more aggressive moderators for debates. Tim Russert is good, but so many others just won't push for an answer. Too many times Clinton is asked a question and she spends two lines on it then takes a left turn into something completely off topic.

I want to see Chris Matthews and Keith Oberman host an NBC debates, and Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck to host the CNN debates. No holds barred. Let the moderators really ask the tough questions and make them answer them.

And start asking questions on the important topics. The top issue among most people right now is the Economy, and not a single question was asked on the Economy at all. Nothing on our crumbling infrastructure. Nothing on wasteful spending in Washington.

I'd love to see Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck really tear into these candidates on the tough issues.

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Judd, CA — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:08:51 GMT

Here's a new line for Barack Obama to use on the stump, or in a debate with John McCain, based on some recent science news:

"Scientists have recently determined that dinosaurs roamed near the nation's capital during the Cretaceous period. Well, I'd say there are still a few of them there." (Use to segue into normal shtick about the failed policies of the past.)

Just for fun. :-)

(reference: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/02/26/washington-dc-dinosaurs.html)

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Ann, Hohenwald, Tn — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:09:00 GMT

Hillary did a fantastic job last night. barack hussien (and I will use his middle name and no apologies)was just so-so. I think if everyone was fair, they would have to say that Hillary is the most experienced and the most presidential. Again, I will say if barack hussien gets the nod from the democrat party, then I will either be a stay-at-home democrat, a Nader tater, or a Democrat for McCain. I will not vote for barack hussien. GO HILLARY!

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Starchild, Mo — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:09:07 GMT

I was very shocked when McCain apologized for those comments. I thought that was great. Not sure if or how much if Obama is the nominee, will he still keep that mentality, but I found new respect for McCain.

I guess with all the slash and burn politics, that was very refreshing.

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Patrick Casey. salt Lake City,UT — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:09:11 GMT

My major bitch with the MSNBC after debate "nettering classes" is the total lack of any pretence of fairness. If you are not anti Hillary, you have about as much chance of being heard, as a snowballs chance in hell

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Paul — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:12:53 GMT

It seems MSNBC pundits got the directive to be tough on Obama because of critics on the comedy show SNL.
Obama is presidential and so is Hillary. This country really needs a Democratic President, BAD.
If a Republican gets back in the corporations will finish us off once and for all.

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Rick,ky — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:13:00 GMT

Watch for more Endorsement's coming for Barack between now & next Tuesday. Hillary Has zero of any significance since super tuesday.The Democratic Party has selected our nominee & it's Barack Obama.Get back in the Senate Hillary & mend your fences with the voter's of New York.
Freedom of Speech is a right given to each of us( even Farrakhan), so he was Protecting the Concstitution with his answer.
She moaned about being asked 1st, however Video shows Her standing behind Barack on the Senate floor waiting on him to cast a vote on Iraq. Bingo, you guessed it, she voted the same way.Stop the Whining Hillary.
Barack's campaign has been Publicly Financed( by the people) this whole campaign, why should he change what's evidently working so well.
Gotcha Politic's are vanishing thank's to the voter's. Well Done America!

Barack Obama, the next POTUS!

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:13:00 GMT

Chuck, NY
Your fractured & pedestrian explanation of why Obama got his doors blown in last night reminds of Bea Arthur's line from "History of The World Part 1."
She played an unemployment clerk in midevil times who was processing Mel Brooks application for benefits.
When he told her his occupation was "philosopher" she proclaimed "Ohhhh, you're a B.S. artist," and then asked..."did you B.S. last week?"..."did you TRY to B.S. last week?"

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Satu Ramcharan - Trinidad and Tobago — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:14:15 GMT

I particularly liked the statement by Obama, that he would be more than willing to sit down with Hillary Clinton to work out the how. I think that this is a good indication of this mans willingness to get the job done in the best interest of the people. Let us not mistake this for a weakness( as in lack of experience or naivite) but a strength that is based in a clear belief that he there to serve the American people.

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Mia, Round Rock Tx — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:14:22 GMT

I was disappointed not at the candidates but at the moderators, they could of ased more interesting questions. to blame the candidates for not making this debates interesting is unfair, they are just answering the questions. i think they could of asked Mr. Obama what does he mean by special interests? They could of asked him about where the other 10% of his campaing momey comes from. What about the bankers that are supporting Obama don't they have special interests as well.

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cedrickcalloway, san angelo, tx — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:15:19 GMT

I don't see why people are so shocked with Chris Matthew's dinging Obama. Chris in my opinion has always been biased towards Hillary Clinton, he picked her to win the nomination early last year. When MSNBC's text vote poll about who won the debate came in with 70 percent for Obama he tried to dismiss it as young people are more likely to text. I believe it was at least 89000 people who text their vote. Even this morning on the MSNBC website people are still saying he won overwhelmingly. I think the media is so excited about the democratic nomination they want to see it continue beyond 4 Mar 08 and are saying things in hopes of faciliting that; unfortunately for them I do not think it's going to happen let's get ready for the general election.

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Bill Johnson, Anaconda, Montana — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:21:33 GMT

I did not see Obama as having more negative moments.

The Farrahkan deal was just dumb. It was a quarrel over nothing. Hillary was quarreling with herself.

The whole whiney SNL and first question stuff had nothing to do with anything.

I am an Obama supporter, but I honestly did not see her as very good at all. I think we saw why the more she campaigns the further behind she gets. She doen't wear well.

It is time for us to join together and look toward November now. I hope Hillary's supporters will take a good second look at Obama and join us.

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Billy, Normal, IL — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:23:04 GMT

Does anyone notice how hard the Hillary supporters are working today? They're out in force saying things like "Grand slam home run" or "Huge win for my gal."

But how could any neutral observer of this debate see anything better than a tie for her? Not only did she not score any unsettling blows to Barack, she's taken on some damage that will live long after the debate.

She finally actually said she voted incorrectly on Iraq and "wanted the vote back," and at the same time lying, saying "I've said it many times." She now has to release her tax returns, and the press will hound her until she does. Afterwards, they'll pounce and it will be the subject of big stories for days.

Obama got a nick in his paint with the Farrakhan flap, but he turned the tables in the end, making Hillary look picky and silly. Clinton stupidly pounced on the tough Russia question, and I'm amazed she didn't say, "Barack, why don't you take this one?" (with a sly grin). Would have been a huge score, and if Obama stumbled or stuttered (which was likely), she could have stepped in to save him.

What we saw last night was the end of her campaign. She came up to bat last in the bottom of the ninth, down by many runs. She needed base runners and then a homer to stay in the game, and instead, she grounded out weakly to the second baseman. Soon she'll give the traditional World Series loser's speech that goes something like "It was a great honor just to get to the Series. We'll work hard and will get back next time."

Kind of sad, actually. The heavily favored team came in over-confident and was beaten by the spunky wild card.

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JohnnyU, WA State — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:25:20 GMT

Obama is a real gentleman. Very refreshing. Regarding McCain's rally yesterday and Cunningham's intro, it is very naive at best to think that McCain didn't know what kind of trash mouth this guy would be. Of course he knew. Classic, "good cop/bad cop stunt".

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Ronnie — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:27:38 GMT

I am afraid Chris is bowing to the Clinton machine. They have called him on being anti-woman already and he is running scared. I think this is a shame because he is my favorite guy on MSNBC and I watch every day.

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RH Oregon — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:32:18 GMT

On the trail: Clinton attends an “Economic Solutions Summit” in Zanesville, OH

Maybe to discuss the local benifits of NAFTA ????

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HMT-MI — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:33:30 GMT

old fatfaced russert could not wait to attack clinton---watch his face.was glad she brough up why is she always asked questions.After 3 she finally said something.The reason they question her first is so obama can just say "me 2"I agree with Hillary.Why hasn't he started holding meetings about afghanastan?Same reason he did not attend the black conference---he cannot do 2 things at the same time---so screw our military in afghanistan it is more important that he campaigns.Sounds like another george bush to me.Besides he already knows that Mika,Matthews and all the gasbags are in the tank for him why should he care.What is the big deal about the picture we have seen many politicians wearing ceremonial garb.

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:34:32 GMT

Sorry Hillary, you're just not likable
That's why Bill is always wandering

Maybe that's why they ask you the first question 'all the time' (?)

Whining about this, complaining about that.....

Little miss 'Smarty Boots'....
Sorry, you're NOT PRESIDENTIAL

Obama was

End of story

Better just hope you can retain your Senate seat next cycle. Apparently, your ratings have gone down among New York voters.......

It's the Kucinich effect
People are getting wise to the fact that you used the New York Senate seat as a 'stepping stone' to the Presidency.
You were just using the people of New York to further your personal ambitions

See how much luck you have in 2016 running against Vice President Janet Napolitano..... ;-D

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Sheila, Chicago, IL — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:40:37 GMT

It's interesting to read the 'instant blogging' reviews the morning after - after one has had time to digest the whole debate. The debate is the sum of all the 'parts'- not a play by play. In my opinion, Senator Obama was so much sharper last night than even a week ago - he's deft, agile and willing to return the punch if needed. Senator Clinton has yet to find the right message, the right tone, and yes - the right answers. How easy did she get off on the full disclosure questions???? It becomes more obvious every day that Barack Obama has got everything it takes to be President of our country - and most importantly, he has empowered the people of America to believe once again that they can and should have a say in their government.

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High On Change — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:41:21 GMT

The MSNBC debate commentary last night was really strange. It's like they're gun shy now to say anything bad about Hillary and were grasping for anything negative on Obama.

What on earth was Rachel Maddow talking about? She thought the debate was grim and demoralizing and would deflate the Dems? Was that before or after Obama reached 1 million donors?

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HMT-MI — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:42:45 GMT

maybe Matthews did not get the thrill up the leg last night--go figure.Does it matter?He still got his shots in at Hillary.And Mika and Joe followed up with a lot of bad Hillary remarks.

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MK,MO — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:43:47 GMT

maybe someone should be addressing the fact that oil prices are skyrocketing despite plentiful supplies, the dollar is worthless which keeps oil prices high because they are based on the dollar, inflation is out of control, the dollar is devalued because the fed keeps cutting interest rates, and fed just announced it plans to cut rates yet again making the dollar worth even less, this is going to get ugly, someone needs to something, although at this point it is too late, has anyone else noticed this trend? I am afraid obama is going to inherit a mess, the bushies are going to milk what they can out of the country while they can, the republicans have completely destroyed our economy, they should really keep their mouth shut about their economic savvy, they have none

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:44:15 GMT

Chuck NY:

Matthews wants and thrives on controversy. He wanted to see a real brawl so he would have something to report on, to gossip about over the next few nights. The fact that Hillary did ok and Obama was not dull but rahter kept his cool and also did well changes nothing on the political scene regarding Hillary's need to score a knock out punch, which she did not.

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Ravine Force, Kissimmee, FL — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:46:06 GMT

I found both candidates to be superb in their debate. Chris Matthews tends to like to hear himself speak and doesn't even allow his guests to express a clear concise answer. His comments seemed to be an attempt to difuse the comments that he is pro Obama.Although Mrs. Clinton did very well, I don't think she stopped Obama's momentum and will be soundly defeated. There is a move toward a change and she represents the past. Not her fault, it is what it is.

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:54:30 GMT

Obama is 'inevitable'

From Campaign Diaries:

'...Obama's train starts leaving the station, as Clinton's support erodes

Chris Dodd became the first former Democratic presidential candidate to endorse today, as he rallied behind his party's frontrunner. The reasons he gave were not necessarily that he wants Obama to be president more than Hillary, but rather that the train is leaving the station and slowing it down will only hurt Democrats in the fall: "It is now the hour to come together. I believe the hour has come now for us to make that choice – to stand up and say we’re going to get behind this candidacy... I don't want a campaign that is only divisive here, and there’s a danger of it becoming that."

Chris Dodd's endorsing Obama will have no significance in Ohio and Texas and the only state it could have mattered at all (CT) voted weeks ago. But the language he uses and the timing of his announcement exemplify why Clinton is so weak right now. Not only is she trailing in the delegate count, but she has to fight Obama's growing inevitability argument to prevent too many people from rallying behind him thinking that the primary is over. This is the position that she was in back in the fall, when she was picking up endorsement after endorsement. And now the roles have reversed, making it very difficult for Hillary to hope for a comeback.

To make matters worse, polls are continuing to show an erosion of her support in March 4th states, both in Ohio and in Texas. Yesterday, Obama took his first leads in Texas while Clinton kept a high single-digit advantage in Ohio. Today, three new polls underscore how close Clinton is to being forced out of the race:

In Ohio, Rasmussen has Clinton up 48% to 43%. A few days ago, Clinton's lead was 8%, and that was already a drop in support. It seems that Obama's campaigning on NAFTA is working, as an overwhelming majority think that he is opposed to NAFTA while the verdict is split about Clinton's position.

In Texas, meanwhile, it seems safe to say that Clinton is no longer the favorite. In the latest PPP survey, the two candidates are tied at 48%, though Hillary leads 52% to 44% among registered Democrats and is not weakening at all among Hispanics (68%). But Obama is getting strong results among Republicans and independents who, PPP notes, "plan to vote in the Democratic primary because of John McCain's status as the presumptive nominee."

Finally, SUSA gives the Texas lead to Obama, 49% to 45%, a 9 point swing in his favor in a week. Obama is picking up grounds among most groups, and holds Hillary to 52% among Hispanics.
Update: Add one more poll showing Clinton's support eroding. SUSA came out with its latest Ohio poll, and shows Clinton up 50% to 44%, holding firm thanks to a 22% lead among women (and a 37% gender gap). Two weeks ago, Clinton led by 17%. Last week, she led by 9%.
As I often note, don't forget that Obama will likely get more delegates out of Texas than his percentage would suggest, so even a 1% lead would give him a significant delegate lead -- and that's not even accounting for the caucuses. Clinton has to change the dynamics of this campaign in the final week in a dramatic way, and things like Chris Dodd's endorsement of the Illinois Senator underscore the challenge she faces that she first needs to explain how she can still win the nomination and try to slow down the Obama coronation....'

Obama is 'INEVITABLE' !!

Meet your next President: BARACK OBAMA !

Practice saying it, President Obama,

President Obama, President Obama

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Nicholas: Minnesota — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:54:32 GMT

"It reflects just how hard it is to run against Obama."
--It's really not that hard (well it is based on his ideas, political savvy, and common sense/realistic attitude) to run against Obama, just don't make baseless accusations 'regarding drug use' or 'Muslim heritage'--not that hard. Run a clean campaign (see Sen. Clintons downfall). McCain showed some real class by denouncing the comments and accepting responsibility right away, rather than waiting the 24 hours like some other Democratic challengers. I think Biden's comments got to the PR police, and African Americans reacting to everything is just ridiculous and doesn't help their cause--whatever that is.

The conservative right will only hurt themselves by making said comments. They will make the party appear bigoted, and people won't vote for a bigoted party, because they won't wish to appear/feel bigoted themselves.

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D. Black — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:55:01 GMT

After 20 debates not sure what voters got out of this one that they did not in other debates. Given that nominees close on issues, voters will be voting for the individual they connect with, for whatever reason. Love Hate or other.

Who do you believe won the MSNBC Democratic Debate in Cleveland Ohio?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1788

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John Mack, Fairway, KS — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:56:40 GMT

What did they expect to happen in the debate last night? A fistfight? Swearing and screaming at each other? Was Chris Matthews waiting for Obama to call her a bitch? It is called a debate. I have been to a few debates, and they are all pretty dull.

The times that Hillary tried to score points, such as with the pillow comment, or the interjection on the use of the term "denounce", she not only lost the points, but they went to his side.

If one was to score this debate like a boxing match, Obama didn't land a knockout punch, but won on points. The result is the same. A win is a win.

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Chris, Dorr, MI — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:01:22 GMT

Thank God these debates are over for now. If I have to listen to another 2 seconds of HRC's voice and look at her foul face I'm going to puke.
Senator Obama won hands down. He is more presidential every day. I hope and pray that Ohio, Texas, Vermont and Rhode Island are landslides for Senator Obama. Then, if HRC has an ounce of self respect and any respect at all for her party; she will concede.
I'm a 48 year old white male, divorced, shared custody, college educated, a veteran and make 50 to 60k per year. I am not drinking any kool-aid or out of touch with the realities that face our nation. For the first time in my adult life I am excited and hopeful at the possibility of something new in our government. President Barack Obama!

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MKD — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:01:31 GMT

Maybe I'm just not reading closely enough - but WHY is no one talking about how Obama has surpassed ONE MILLION people donating to his campaign. This is a huge story. I may be wrong, but I think this is unprecidented. Don't campaigns generally have only around 100,000 to 300,000 donors? I'm not being sarcastic, I would actually like to know.

Yesterday before the debate there were about 992,000 donors - this morning there are nearly 1,002,000 - that means 10,000 NEW people donated to Obama in LESS than 24 hours. I think this goes a long way in the people taking back ownership of their government.

That is not a story?

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Phil Garrett, Georgetown TX — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:02:00 GMT

Obama is smart enough to know the difference between inspiring a large crowd of supporters and engaging in a sit-down discussion with reporters (it's not really a debate). Too bad Chris Matthews doesn't appreciate the different speaking skills required. I'll also bet Obama gives one heck of an inaugural address.

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Jay Hoegh, Andover MN — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:05:33 GMT

I found Clinton's SNL comment about the press very interesting. SNL did a parody of it because its true, the press does favour Obama. In that respect, Clinton had a point.

However, complaining about the situation being "unfair" is never, never a winning argument. One always comes off as a sore loser, making excuses when they say something like that. Clinton is, as the analysts put it, being petty now.

Furthermore, I don't think this is any different than at the beginning of this race when all the news outlets were proclaiming, "Bow to the inevitability of Clinton!" Boy, it really sucks when the situation is reverse, huh Clinton?

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Jules — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:06:04 GMT

Okay, what's up with Chris Matthews and his questioning of Obama's substance without a private audience and a teleprompter. Matthews has been the biggest Pavlovian dog throughout this whole campaign -one mention of Obaman's name and he is the biggest salivator/drooler of all of them. NOW, he thinks "people better pay note of it while we have this chance"!!?? People have been saying this all along - he just chose to not listen to them, his only objective was slamming Hillary and exalting Obama. Again, what's up? Or, are ratings down?

I doubt this makes it through MSNBC's biased moderating. Remember always 7 positive Obama comments to 1 positive Hillary comment - you have your reputation to uphold.

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MJ,Ho-Ho-Kus, NJ — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:16:36 GMT

I did not expect MSNBC-Obama Central to think Hillary Clinton did enough to change the momentum Obama had, but I would disagree. She proved he had no original ideas - agreeing on every position she actually detailed. Forced him to not only denounce Farrakhan's words, but to reject him completely. Bravo! It may be time for some of these cable stations to re-think their blind support for one candidate over another - with the exception of Dan Abrahms, who actually practices what he preaches.
Hillary Clinton for President

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squintz, philly, pa — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:18:20 GMT

I think this "can't say anything about him without being called a racist" is nonsense, same applies to Clinton and sexism. If folks want to disagree with Obama or Clinton, own it. If what you've said comes across to others as racist or sexist (fairy tale? No. "shuck and jive"? You bet.), then, hey, maybe you should evaluate your intentions. Just because this country hasn't yet been in the position to offend a candidate on the basis of race or sex doesn't mean that it's so outrageous for the public to react when something is said that seems innappropriate.
Sure, use Obama's middle name, there's no law against it. You're welcome to do whatever you'd like, rightwing radio. And people are also welcome to evaluate your tone and infer intention. Lots of folks don't even realize when they are being offensive, or they do and don't care, so what's the trouble with letting them know? Having these candidates running have really let people's true colors show, so don't complain about it. Clean up your act or brace yourself for criticism, that's how it goes.

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Lynn NY — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:18:31 GMT

Moderator: BLAH BLAH BLAH (Hillary you go first)
Hillary: (gives a well thought out, articulate answer)
Obama: Yeah, what she said....
If Obama is the democratic nominee, I will be a life long democrat who either sits out the election or votes for MCCain. (which is what all of the republicans who voted in the democratic primaries for obama WANTED).

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Kristoff, Phoeneix AZ — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:18:55 GMT

This Obama guy is pretty slick. He has been very good at stealing and ducking behind clinton's idea and unfortunately the press has been helping him by putting the tough question first to clinton. All that Obama does was to always agree with clinton and spins it to always look like that is what he has been saying. Clinton was right to complain about it tonite. Notice that whenever a tough question is put to him first, he stumbles only to comback and co-op clintons answer with a spin. I don,t know why Clinton is not hammering on this Obama,s Iraq speech when he was an Illunois senator and did not have the burden and responsibility to cast a vote. Or even get the false inteligent briefing that was giving to them by George Bush. When he did have the responsibility and burden he voted like everyone else. We all know how to call the right play while sitting on our couch and watching the game on the big screen. But one thing is for sure, we did not have the responsibility and burden of the quarterback who is in the middle of that game.

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kenn — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:20:20 GMT

The Best is OBAMA BLAMING the people who put the bus in the ditch,DEMOCRATS DODD AND KENENNDY AND KERRY thats you ,and republicans unite with obama because he thinks HILLIARY and the democrats of OLDE NOT BUSH put us there,convuluted at best but so is OBAMAS message enjoy the show.NOT VERY HOPEFUL SAYING WE ARE IN A DITCH

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Opa2 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:21:39 GMT

Why is McCain apologizing? Is that not what his name is? Barrack HUSSEIN Obama? Nobody ever apologized for calling the than first lady Hillary RODHAM Clinton. It's your name, wear it proudly. The people who gave it to you did so for a reason. I can understand why Obama does not want that name and it reflects poorly on him. Politics is no reason not to honor your ancestors.

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Chris DelGross — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:22:35 GMT

I would agree with Mitchell Feldman on this one. Barack is much more disarming and collected than Hillary at every question. This would be a large asset to any President. When building consensus, negotiating with allies, and communicating with the American people. This is an essential trait of leadership that Hillary does NOT have at all. She is agitating, divisive, and sometimes the need for her to speak up and battle outweighs common sense. I like the fact that Obama only fights the battles that can be won and conceeds pettyness. Take the "denounce" and "reject" argument. Rather than bicker with her on semantics, he conceeded her argument (which by the way she was flat wrong) and was able to handle it with a calm, cool, and collected answer...

I think we have seen the last political debate Hillary Clinton will ever attend...

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Tim M, Ithaca — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:24:04 GMT

McCain is going to be apologizing an awful lot when Obama becomes the official nominee and the right wing attack machine starts mudslinging in earnest. You can bet that the conservative 527's will be running all kinds of racist, lying attack ads and the we will hear the name Hussein more times in this election than we did in the run up to the Iraq war! McCain is in a catch22; he probably cannot beat Obama if he runs a clean, honest campaign focused on the issues but attacking Obama is proving to be very dangerous and will backfire if there is any way his attacks can be construed as racist.

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kenn — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:25:02 GMT

MIKA IN THE MORNING was hillarious when she was trying to think of a woman orator who was as good as a man lets face it they shouldnt be in the work place never mind the whitehouse,yes im like the women voting for OBAMA I know whats up sorry I say it out loud.NICE POM POMS thats what she should be a cheerleader for OBAMA

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Dawn Johnson, Las Vegas, NV — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:25:17 GMT

The Iraq War? I give this one to Sen. Obama because he is stressing judgement. We should have never gone after Iraq and if people remember correctly everyone was too whipped up after 9/11 to question. Our problems at the time were in Afghanistan (still are) and Sen. Obama is trying to make the case that it was bad judgement. His voting to fund the war? What -would you have all our troupes over there with nothing?
Minister Farrakhan: I honestly don't know if this was a fair question. Sen. Obama handled it well and Sen. Clinton looked like a fool. No one can tell another person what to say or do. Sen. Obama has made his position clear on the "endorsement", how he feels about the Jewish people in our country and Israel, and his denouncing of the vile spew that comes out of Minister Farrakhans mouth. What more can be done? Will Sen. Obama have to answer for every black individual in this country? Come on.
Sen. Clinton got her point across regarding Nafta. She really was never for it in the first place.

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Ian — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:27:44 GMT

Last night Hillary Clinton (and Barack Obama nodded his approval) promised to opt out of NAFTA within 6 months if her demands for labor and environmental protections weren't added to the agreement. What amazes me is this isn't the headline in every newspaper and lead story on every cable news network in the country!
This is more of a commentary on the press than on pandering politicians. Isn't it their job to actually investigate into the actual impact of such a move?
People should ask if the manufacturing sectors in Mexico and Canada are better off than in Ohio -- they're not! US jobs have gone to India and China and they aren't part of NAFTA. Why do you think all those Mexicans are trying to get into the US in the first place!
A few facts concerning the trading relationship between the US & Canada:
- The US exports the equivalent of 12% of it's GDP, much of which is manufactured goods, to Canada.
- NAFTA allows the US to import, tariff-free, oil, natural gas, pulp & paper and electricity (to name a few).
- Much of the Canadian retail, manufacturing and resource sectors are controlled by US companies who would be adversely affected by tariff costs.
- Trade imbalances between the two countries are generally affected by commodity prices.
- Canadian labor laws are generally stronger than US labor laws.
- Canadians are already upset about the outcome of the softwood lumber issue and would love to opt out/reopen the agreement for their own reasons.
One last thing. What the Canadians have is in huge demand throughout the world and there is no law that says they can't sell it elsewhere if doing business with the US becomes less economical.

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James & Jenny — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:30:44 GMT

H I L L A R Y C L I N T O N W I N S A G A I N ! ! !

Hillary Clinton has won ALL 20 of the debates. She's clearly the most intelligent, most qualified, most experienced, most electable candidate in the race.

She nails Obama every time on the details. He's such a wimp, always looking to her to answer the tough questions and then agreeing with her when he has nothing to say. What an empty suit. He's completely unqualified and unelectable. His stuttering, stammering, yaallknow, tired looking debate performance was pathetic.He needs to stick those skinny fingers up his nose. He's had a total free pass from the corporate owned media and their republican pals. When that's over, he's toast. Even on Fox (it pains me to say this) they are more fair and balanced in this campaign, at least they tell the truth about the orchestrated effort by the Republicans across this nation to ask Republicans to "do their duty" and vote for Obama to bring down Hillary only to vote for McCain in November. WAKE UP DEMS!! Read the New York Times article by Geraldine Ferraro about how the national Dem vote for far for Obama has actually only been 15-20% of the actual Dem voters!!! WISE UP!! DON'T LET THE REPUBLICANS WIN BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE OUR CONVENTION IN AUGUST!!!! VOTE SMART! VOTE HILLARY! COME ON OHIO, TEXAS, RHODE ISLAND AND VERMONT!! WISE UP!!! OBAMA IS A BIG TIME LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The media doesn't even pretend to be fair. It's blatant 24/7 attacks on Hillary would have crushed any other candidate months ago. Hillary is amazing. The Dems are lucky to have her and stupid if they throw away their best chance for victory in November by nominating Obama. He's unelectable.

I could NEVER vote for Obama because he's unqualified to be President (and I have NEVER voted Republican), but I put my COUNTRY FIRST, PARTY SECOND!! A vote for Obama now is a vote for McCain in November. That's a FACT !!!!!!!!!!

The brilliant Tina Fey said it best on SNL, "BITCH IS THE NEW BLACK" AND "BITCHES GET THINGS DONE"

ROCK ON TINA!! ROCK ON HILLARY!!!

REAL DEMS HAVE YOUR BACK!!!! GO ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION!!!! THIS RACE IS FAR FROM OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Rick,ky — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:31:27 GMT

Get over it HMT,Hillary's campaign has been on Life support for sometime now.The Only reason it's still Alive is out of Respect for Bill from the MSM.Hillary should be DNR( do Not resucitate).

If Barack had Lost 10 or 11 contest in a row, the MSM would have Crucified him for Not Dropping out & saving the Democratic Party from Battle he could'nt Win!!!!!!!!!

Get over your Woe is me, i'm a woman act, as Hillary should also.

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Therese Squeri — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:31:51 GMT

Barack was much better than Hillary.

*In the beginning of the debate, Hillary was agitated and kept raising her voice...not very presidential. Barack, on the other hand, was cool and collected.

*Hillary needs to understand the country wants to move on past the 90's. We don't want the divisiveness her nomination would engender. I know I don't want to relive those hyper-partisan days. Barack represents a better way.

*Despite what she says, Hillary is not "vetted." Why won't she disclose her tax returns? What surprises are lurking there?

*Hillary says she is for working families, but who owns her campaign? She is funded by PACs and lobbyists. Barack, on the other hand, is funded by a million little donors like me. If elected, he wouldn't be owned by anybody except the American people.

*Although Hillary says she is ready on "Day One", on the single most important past issue, Hillary showed that she was spineless and voted to allow Bush to start a premptive war. I can't trust her with important decisions. Barack can be trusted to make the right decisions.

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a of illinois — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:31:51 GMT

I don't know why I should expect a different set of standards for this election that I would in the regular work place. It's much easier for a black man to get promoted than it is for a white (or any other color) woman. We are set to a highers standard (ALWAYS). It makes me so mad that because Hillary has showns that she is not a droan by showing more than on emotion they tag her as moody, schizophrenic, crazy..............because I don't know ANY men who are every cranky, moody, or uneven in their behavior. I'm sick of the Obama bias. It is real and it is percieved. The networks should not be able to give 24 advertising to their favorite candidate and I just hope the people in Texas and Ohio are smart enough to vote for more experience. On the darkest evening of the year would you drive without headlights if you had a perfectly good set of headlights (even if you didn't like what the headlights looked like). That is what the people voting for Obama are doing. They are driving this country without headlights when we know what a Clinton presidence would be. Also, has anyone thought about what the black community will feel Obama owes them for their unwaivering support of him?

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a of illinois — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:36:29 GMT

In debate as in advertising........people are simple. People want the last word because the last word is remembered more than the previous words. That is why getting the question first ALL THE TIME has a bias. It's the same reason why in the Wal-mart commercials you hear.........blah, blah, blah......Low prices.......Always low prices at the end because regardless of whatever else was said they know you will remember that last line. Her criticism of the media was neccessary. When it takes SNL to preview their lovefest to bring some clarity to how they've been acting then you know it's been pretty blatant. Whatever it takes to get them to treat the candidates more equally so each American can make their own choice is what all of us should want. If you prefer to be brow beaten into supporting Obama that is your choice but for many hard core democrats this bias is a huge turn off to this race.

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Amy B Portland, ME — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:40:37 GMT

Chris Matthews has a bizarre, quasi-feminine approach to judging political candidates. Case in point: his characterizing ole' Fred Thompson as a handsome man. Geesh. Speaking from a genuinely feminine perspective, I found Obama's debate performance more "thrilling" than his speeches. In particular I love his eyes and the way he doesn't lie.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:44:26 GMT

Billy, Normal:

I have no idea why anyone thinks either candidate was exceptionally good or bad or would have done either good or bad depending their turn in answering the questions about Russia and Putin. Hell, any moron who listens to or reads the news knows about the things that Putin has been pulling lately as well as his recent criticisms of the US. Their answers that Putin needs to be watched and wee need to depend on friends to help keep pressure on Putin and Russia to behave is a generalized no-brainer statement. Where was the additional exceptional knowledge of these issues discussed by either candidate last night. I didn't hear any. Some people hear Hillary say well we can't really trust Putin because he has hand picked his successor and they think that makes her an expert on foreign policy? Give me a break. I'm sure that you Billy could have given the same if not a better repsonse to that question. Let's nominate you for President.

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Dirk, Brunswick, Georgia — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:45:38 GMT

Lynn form NY:

I agree with you. I'm a lifelong Democrat who'll vote for McCain if Obama's the nominee. He was unprepared in last night's debate. He fed off of Clinton's answers. I'll never forget the Russia Question, and that schoolboy look that Obama gave Clinton when he turned to her to allow her to answer it first.

I'm upset that MSNBC has endorsed Obama.

I'm disappointed that Dems are gonna nominate someone so ill-prepared for the Presidency.

Obama is an empty-suited windbag.

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a of illinois — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:46:32 GMT

Obama's willingness to sit down with Clinton and work on the how is similar to how he answers his questions.........I agree with Hillary. It allows him to be the man in charge while getting the answers and solutions from a subordinate woman. I've had similar workplace experiences..........huh........I guess there still is a glass cieling. Black men did get to vote before women got to vote so I guess it's the natural order. It doesn't have to be if Texas and Ohio make the right choice.

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nuanced — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:46:59 GMT

"Obama's HUGE gaffe on once again resorting to "I agree w/Hillary" -- elle

What color is the sun over your planet where being agreeable and honest is a huge gaffe?

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Blaine — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:51:05 GMT

So Barack Hussein Obama named himself? What kind of sick joke is going on here on First Read today. I want America to focus on issues and answers, not names. Get a grip ya'll. You sound bad.

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JT, Nasvhille, TN — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:51:05 GMT

Hillary cleaned his clock last night if you do a real analysis of the answers on policy. Looking presidential doesn't buy you much if you can't articulate the policies and issues at hand. Hillary has policy down cold. Barack seemed clearly out of his element - especially on questions of foreign policy. I thought it was a breathtaking moment on the Russia question when he automatically looked at her to answer. He wanted no part of it and just repeated what she said. Brings to mind the Xerox quote which, while not all that clever, may be more applicable to Obama than his supporters would like to admit. I think some very large holes appeared in the Obama personna last night. I also think that the MSNBC pundits saw that as well.

The Farrakhan question was a big moment. The fact that 1) Barack had to be schooled on why it was a big deal and 2) the fact that he conceded without fully understanding that constitutes a huge red flag for anyone looking at this race objectively.

As for health care, Hillary was dead on again. Everyone should be covered and, yes, it should be mandatory. As she explained, subsidies will be available to assist those who need help affording it. Barack's point about Medicare Plan B not being mandatory is not even the point. At Medicare's inception, there was only what is now knows as Part A and was mandatory from the beginning and remains so. It's great that Barack wants to mandate coverage for children, but if the parents are sick and can't get care, things can get pretty hairy. Universal healthcare is going to be somewhat painful for all in the beginning, but so is anything that's really worth doing.

I think you will see a little surge for Hillary in the polling in the coming days leading up to Tuesday. Then, perhaps, some of the Dems who are reluctant to endorse can finally come into play - Richardson, Edwards, etc.

So don't count any chickens just yet Obama disciples. This is why they vote.

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Lee Holmes — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:51:22 GMT

Obama didn't handle the Russian question any better than Hillary did. Baracks airy assurances to negotiate with Russia vis-a-vis Serbia do not take into account what sort of person Medeyev turns out to become. If,acting as Putin apparatchik[which it appears that he is],he makes common cause with the Serbian nationalists[which they are doing,right at this moment],then Serbia turns into a Russian protectorate much like North Korea with China in the 1950s-1990s with all that this will entail. Serbs,backed by Russian military might,will increase their meddling in Kosovo,drawing in an increasingly worried EU and a NATO that is fracturing and falling apart as we speak.
Not enough time was spent on this rather important issue.

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a of illinois — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:53:45 GMT

As far as who won the debate poll...........Many voters over the age of 40 are not texting and posting online. Obama's supporters do have a greater advantage and I will give them credit that they realize that it doesnt' really matter who won because for millions of people who didn't watch the debate, they will hear that Obama won and will assume he must be pretty good to be getting all this support........the bandwagon effect...........and perception is reality. Hillary was clearly more informed than Obama. But younger people are more worried about doing what makes them feel good then what is good for the country. They haven't ever had to sacrifice or work through a recession or depression and they know even if their choice is wrong and economic times are hard that many of them call fall back on their parents to help them out. I'm not in that boat. My husband is in IRaq. This election matters because if a democrat doesn't win (and I believe HIllary is better prepared to beat John McCain) my husband will probably being looking ahead to more deployments........missing out on more of his daughters lives as they grow and falling behind in his career. But if Obama makes you FEEL good then...........that's really more important???!!!

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joe, Idaho — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:56:01 GMT

Obama's statement about NAFTA and lead-poisoning product, sorry China isn't in NAFTA. Also, Obama's pastor gave Farrakhan a lifetime award. So both are bigots along with Obama since he gets his advice from his minister for +20 years. He asked his minister if he should run for president and thinks the world of him. Obama doesn't give any articulate answers, just a bunch of fluff.

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Michael, Elkhart, Ind — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:56:55 GMT

I thought the most troubling moment of the debate was Hillary's response on releasing her tax return. Russert should have asked her why she hasn't already done it. People have every right to suspect she's hiding something, so why not clear the air now. Doing it when she's the nominee, well that makes it appear that she's more concerned about being the nominee than being the president. I'm sure the Republicans would be more than happy to do to Hillary what they did to Bill--tie her up in legal knots for the next four years.

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Rodney, Fresno, CA — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:57:16 GMT

I am a hard core Obama supporter and I think that this Hussein middle name thing just needs to get out over and done with. The reality is that it is his middle name. It should be a non issue. He didn't pick his name, his parents named him.

The more people say it the less power it has. It will lose it's mystique. That's why Jon Stewart said it at the Oscars, so the joke would be told on the biggest stage possible. We've all heard it now.

In 40 years when the kids today grow up to be president, with their unique names plus all the crazy spelling their parents have given them, how are we going to take them seriously. They sound like a combination of a law firm and a film festival.

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rodeo, ellensburg, wa — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:00:35 GMT

1) don't CARE whether McCain's apology was "good cop, bad cop." That will do him no harm among Republicans and he's already been dismissed by his party's right-wingnuts. I'd expect to see more of this as the race goes on.
2) Media IS harder on Hillary; she has "experience" and should be more nimble, and it reflects how the "smartest girl in the room" is generally treated by all the "cool boys". Barack Obama has a compelling personal story and is not only a traslational candidate but a role model for men of all colors. He's also beaten Hillary silly with his very well-planned campaign.
And in the end, if the candidates will begin to discuss the REAL costs of all the promises and requirements of maintaining the preeminent position of the USA in world affairs UNDISTRACTED by campaign stunts we will ALL be better off.

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Corinne Carter, Richland, Wash. — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:01:44 GMT

I like the way you have interjected the videos into the text of this essay. Please continue with other articles when appropriate to do so.
Wish you folks could set up your articles in the same format of Maureen Dowd's pieces: you can click on any word, phrase, or name and a definition or explanation will immediately pop up. Very convenient.
My on-line video of last night's debate was out of sync. This is very distracting, but, I know what the candidates look like, so I just listened. Hope your staff aren't too distressed over this technical problem. You folks do great work. Thank you.

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Sue Davis, Las Vegas, NV — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:02:47 GMT

Hillary, the “Fighter”, consistently demands the last word. She is willing to bludgeon to the end with rambling rhetoric and an undeniable wealth of knowledge. She presents as a chameleon dancing in circles on a mood-of-the-day plaid. She can inspire confusion, piercing personal putdowns, defensiveness and anger. Her knowledge and caring are lost as her opponent stiffens against the assault or limps away. This is the political tact of yesterday that has lowered America’s stature in its own eyes and those of the rest of the world.

If the Clinton’s quest is indeed more than fulfilling their perceived entitlement to power, let them stand aside and actively support Obama’s gift for uniting opponents with the consistent demeanor of respect for the dignity of all. Peace cannot be achieved with an arsenal of superiority and defeat. Peace can only be reached when all who grasp for it do so from the level footing of mutual respect and dignity.

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Kristoff, Phoeneix AZ — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:03:46 GMT

I think the press is dropping the ball again like they did in the run up to the Iraq war. They are not asking the tough question of Obama just because they love the drama of it all. I guess they are leaving that for the books they would be writing after the fact. Unfortunately no body holds the press accountable. I am an independent who strongly believes that Obama is good, but he needs a little seasoning to handle the toughest job in the world. All his rhetoric about bringing people together would be thrown out of the window when he walks in the oval office and realize that for him to get any thing done, he has to listen to 100 senators and 230+ members of the house, all with different individual agendas. He would realize that for him to get any thing done, he would have to fend of some of the powerful members of congress who has children of his age from ramming down their personal agenda down his throat. The only person that I know who was able to do that was Bill Clinton and that is why he has so much animosity form both the republican and some members of his party and that is why he was a successful president.

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David Higgins, Walla Walla, Wash — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:12:06 GMT

Civil War - REDUX. The tone of the debate may have been civil (except for Tim Russet's race-baiting Farakan obsession; but the tone of the blog/chat that occompanied the debate online was anything but. I was disturbed as I chatted along with the others not only by the mean spirited personal attacks on Senator Clinton; but even more so by the "Tar Baby" and other racial epitaphs that were used by that were at least educated enough to be typing in a blog online. I was horrified to realize that the KKK was alive and well in cyberspace - and I told the other chatters this at the time - most didn't seem to get what I was talking about; which also made me sad.

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John Doe — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:13:07 GMT

Anyone with even part of a brain knows why the questions are always asked of Hillary first. It gives Obama time to memorize her answers. Doesn't this man have one unique idea of his own? NO.

Also Obama wouldn't answer the question about the Pastor of his church, who praises and lifts up Farrakhan, who by the way is the leader of Nation Islam; ( remember 9-11?) OBama being a member of this church for 20 years is very troubling. People should listen to Obama's Pastor on you tube. He is scary.
Obama's church and pastor are for black people only and Africa is their main concern.

Obama's name is.......Barak Hussein Obama, why is he ashamed of it?

Obama has many questions to answer about his involvment with this church and his Pastor.

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Joyce, NY, NY — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:14:51 GMT

The debate confirmed what I thought all along - Obama is weak. I don't hate the guy. In fact I like him a lot. But he is dangerously unprepared for the top post.

Let's not be naive - there will be opposition in Washington not to mention other parts of the world.
Reaching out and diplomacy is good but there will be battles that require experience to make a good judgement - and guts to put forward/fight for what is right. Obama's in experience in foreign policy is way too little to be ignored.

One of America's biggest problem is foreign policy. The world hates us for the decisions a neophyte President made. We need to restore our image among other things in the world arena.

Dems please unite behind a candidate. I am for Hilary simply because I know she has what it takes to resolve the mess we are in. She's focused on those. She talks about them in detail because she knows them by heart. Barack would make an excellent VP. Will take over in 8 years and continue the path to recovery.

Whoever it maybe, let's make sure not another Republican gets sent to the White House.

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David Higgins, Walla Walla, Wash — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:16:30 GMT

Civil War - REDUX. The tone of the debate may have been civil, except for Tim Russet's race-baiting Farakan obsession; but the tone of the blog/chat that occompanied the debate online was anything but. I was disturbed as I chatted along with the others not only by the mean spirited personal attacks on Senator Clinton; but even more so by the "Tar Baby" and other racial epitaphs that were used by those that were at least educated enough to be typing in a blog online. I was horrified to realize that the KKK was alive and well in cyberspace - and I told the other chatters this at the time - most didn't seem to get what I was talking about; which also made me sad.

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Denise, Maryland — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:20:33 GMT

She called for these added debates, then whines about them. She says the media is showing favoritism. If Obama had lost 11 contests in a row the media would have allowed him to go gently into that dark night. However, Hillary, the actual loser of 11 contests, is still being highlighted and spotlighted in the media. It is, in fact, the media that has kept her in the race. Her constant changing demeanor concerns me. To paraphrase Forest Grump, she is like a box of chocolates, you never know what (or who you are going to get). I am afraid she will run the White House like she has run her campaign, which does not reflect the experience she claims. Mr. Obama on the other land had run a much better, even an excellent campaign and this was done absent the long-term Washington experience the Clintons seem to think he needs. His corporate like ability to lead and motivate will bring the right people with the experience and expertise to change this country to his administration. A Clinton administration, however, would be more of the same ole, same ole, same Washington "experience" that got us where we are today.

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Kasha, NJ — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:20:50 GMT

1. Obama won the debate by staying calm, cool, and collected, behaving "presidential." Trying to compare his debate style to his speech/rally style is obsurd. Of course they are different; they should be. If he spoke at a debate the way he speaks at a rally, he would be criticized for monopolizing all the time. Debate formats are entirely different!

2. Shame on Hillary for playing the gender card. Shows how desperate she is. I agree with the commentary after the debate that if Obama had played the race card, he would have been soundly criticized. Everyone has agreed that we need to keep matters of race and gender out of the campaigns, at least by the candidates!!

3. I see nothing wrong with Obama saying he agrees with Hillary on an issue. Thank goodness someone does not feel the need to rehash the details of subjects we have heard over and over, ad nauseum! It leaves time for discussing other issues. We all know already that most of their positions are very similar and that the real choice comes down to who can help lead our country out of the mess it is in. In my mind that is Sen Obama.

4. I would have liked to see new issues addressed, and if there is another debate (heaven forbid!!) I hope we get away from the standard fair we have heard for 20 debates and address issues more pertinent to our economy: foreclosures and debt issues, inner city redevelopment, education reform, the plight of middle class Americans who are losing ground every day.

All in all though, I think Hillary needs to see the light and get out before Democrats lose the enthusiasm that Obama has helped to inspire in Americans. Voters might decide soon to stay home or defect to McCain if we don't solidify behind a candidate soon.

Oh, and someone please give Chris Matthews his own show where he can listen to himself all day long, but we can change the channel.

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Kevin, Florida — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:26:56 GMT

Obama is only where he is because of the media and MSNBC. All of the white media wanted to make sure that everyone knew they weren't biggots. Well we know know they are just sexist. Us democrats now do not have the best most qualified and tested candidate to put in the white house. I am a loyal democrat but I will not vote for Obama. He will never win the big states and the red states. I urge all republicans in Texas to vote for Hillary. (the polls show Mcain losing to Obama and beating Hillary) DO WHATS GOOD FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND VOTE FOR HILLARY TO KEEP HER IN THE RACE. I can't wait to see msnbc after Mcain trounces Obama in the general election

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Dorothy Weintraub — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:28:28 GMT

I think everyone is overlooking a number of facts. There are many democrats who will not admit to any pollster that they will not vote for Obama for fear of being labeled racist in their attitudes. Yet in speaking with a number of friends, they clearly state their intention on staying home if the choice is Obama McCain - something they would not admit to a stranger. It seems to be simmering just below the surface that if you do not support Obama - that must make you a racist! I am not a racist and I support Hillary - we've seen what inexperience can do and it's not pretty. We live in far too precarious a time to trust the direction of the country to some one who has not, even as a chairman of a committee on European ally relations even made 1 trip to meet with them!

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Ron V — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:28:59 GMT

When Clinton was the front runner, her attitude in speeches and debates took on the appearance of smirking, superior, b---h. Now that she is losing, she shows sarcasm, pettiness, anger, hostility and the usual Clinton smarm. As president, you really don't want that kind of persona in the White House because every president constantly faces crises and problematic issues. We need a cool headed and smart acting president. Obama may or may not be that type of person but do you think it makes sense to have someone so inexperienced in both life and the workings of government to be running the show? You wouldn't hire a person to wash your car who was so inexperienced, but you would trust your family's security and well being to such a president?

"How do you want to handle the planned attack on the U.S. President Obama?"
"Well, I'm HOPING it will CHANGE."

I don't care for McCain but I'll take him over that.

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notanobamafan — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:31:26 GMT

I guess some things never change. I am so tired of reading/hearing about how unlikable Hillary Clinton is and just how presidential and special obama is (he isn't). It doesn't seem to matter what Hillary talks about, how much knowledge she has, what her policies are (explained many times), there are just too many obamamanics that have become so brainwashed by obama, that it's boring to read. The comments never change.
As far as the media goes, its very apparent, if not established, that the media favors obama. This favoritism can be challenged over and over, but the media does not have the guts to admit this, they just deny, and continue to favor obama.
I don't favor obama. He actually scares me because of the worship from the obamamanics. This is not normal. And because it is not normal, there is something beneath this that will eventually come out.
This country still has a president that has come very close to destroying the USA, had many worshipers (same as obama), and look where its gotten us today. It certainly is time for a change, but I want a change from a leader that I can trust to turn this country around - not a Hollywood created celebrity, with his own logo and marketing experts marketing him as a brand. We are at a very crucial time in the USA, and we absolutely need a leader that we can trust, who can do the job, who is tough enough to stand up to the enemies of the USA. I don't find that charisma and Hollywood speech writers can do this job. Because obama hides and slides around so much of "his" policy, I don't know what they are. No, anyone can have a website and post anything on that website. I've been there - don't break your arm patting yourself on the back obama - you are weak and the only reason that you are where you are is because of your endorsements. But in politics, you have to pay for the favors you receive and payback will be big time.

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Kevin, FL — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:31:40 GMT

all these "hypothetical" questions from Russet are absurd. Hillary always gets the tough questions first it is so obvious that the media is enamoured with this Obama. He is untested and unproven and the Republicans will eat him up. In an election where we should win in a landslide we will lose again. 4 more years of misery is better than 4 years of Obama.

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Nancy, St. Augustine, FL — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:32:59 GMT

I have been undecided in the race between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama. Having read the comments from the supporters(?) of each side, I have decided if Obama is the nominee I will vote for him. The hatefullness of Mrs. Clinton's supporters and their willingness to do and say anything has disgusted me. Shame on you!!! If Mrs. Clinton is the nominee, I will vote for Mr. McCain.

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Peter Pittsburgh, PA — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:35:57 GMT

if you can believe it, i'm still undecided on which democrat i'll be voting for in pennsylvania's (probably moot) primary.

concerning the debate, i have one overall concern and that regards the specific questions about foreign policy actions based on hypotheticals. I think they are inappropriate and the candidates should have refused to answer them (as Hillary did on Iraq hypos). Its one thing to ask about a general approach to foreign policy, but to ask what specific action a candidate will do in a specific hypothetical future crisis is dangerous.

I don't like that Obama suggests he will attack hypothetical terrorists in pakistan even without the cooperation of that sovereign nation. that hypothetical could be 4 years from now with a very different regime/climate in pakistan and to make assertions now about his specific actions later poisons the well of future diplomacy and dsiregards the potential nuances that could arise between now and then.

same thing with the hypo: "if we pull out of iraq, and then al queda resurges, will you go back in?" i think that's an irresponsible question which disregards the realities and nuances of what will go into that decision. you need the full facts.

specific policy initiatives, on the whole, suffer from this same problem. you just cannot know what wrentches will be thrown in. as hillary has experienced, you just can't forsee that Gore will have the election stolen from him, leaving your promise of "200,000 new jobs for buffalo" unfulfilled. but wrentches like that have to be entertained - and thus, the specific promises/policy initiates should leave room for the unforeseen.

given that reality, I want a candidate who proposes an APPROACH which, no matter the unforeseen future cirtcumstances, best equips up to accomodate to those changes. frankly, the specifics of policy initiatives and agendas will be fully fleshed out by the expertise of the policy and advisor staff. I don't expect the president to be the expert in the data. I want, in a president, someone who can take that expert advise and data and then execute judgment based upon an APPROACH to problems and a vision for american's global role and domestic concerns.

to that end, i like Obama's approach to make the governmental decision-making process as "transparent" as possible. I like that he's shown a willingness to bring together diverse coalitions. A "fighter" whose mode of "fighting" cannot accomodate future unforeseen obstacles will bloody themselves and the country that is following in their wake.

finally, i still don't quite understand the general hang-up on "experience." anyone from either side of the aisle can point to hundreds of extremely "experienced" politicians who they consider to be abysmal. similarly, history can show you plenty of examples of previously "unproven" individuals who rose to the occasion (e.g. another lawyer from illinois some 7 score and 8 years ago).

as you can see, i'm leaning toward obama, but just can't quite pull the trigger...

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Dianne, Ohio — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:39:00 GMT

I continue to hear that the Clintons and some media folks believe the she is treated unfairly by the media. I would like some specific examples please. Evertime I listen to MSNBC (Morning Joe/Chris Matthews/news in general) all I hear is what Hillary needs to do to win the nomination. With all of the advise from you, she really doesn't need campaign advisors who seem to be leaving anyway. Also, would she use the same tactics with foreign leaders if she was president that she uses now regarding being a victum of media bias, gender bias, or being picked on by the Obama campaign as reasons for her woes? Please! The next time you ask why all of her different attempts at winning are not working, why not accept the fact that she is not winning because she is running against a superior candidate?

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Brian, Missoula, Montana — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:43:46 GMT

Maybe I'm giving McCain too much credit, but I don't attribute this apology to merely the fear of looking racially biased or insensitive. I'd kind of like to think that deep down, there's still a part of McCain that thinks the far-right pundits are noisy, needlessly inflammatory idiots.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:45:32 GMT

No knock-out blows with a repeat of the health insurance talking points. I feel vindicated in my decision not to watch.

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JudyR,Cedar Rapids,IA — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:49:20 GMT

I am happy to say I am not one of the Obama "lemmings" cheerfully ready to follow all his other supporters over the cliff. Hillary is truly between a rock and hard place because the press for whatever motivation is scared to death to say anything negative about Obama. She has a perfect right to complain about him getting a free pass at the debates with always getting to answer second, thus having more time to think. Though she should be proud to be considered the "Go To Gal" for her knowledge instead of the "Me, Too, Guy" for lack of knowledge. The SNL skit was right on and she was smart to bring it up. I'm thinking the press probably doesn't bring up anything against Obama for fear of being accused of being racist. That's too bad because America really is ready for a black president but a good one with real experience and we need to be sure that we've got a good one or it'll be that much harder to get another black president in the future. I want to see Obama throw his minister under the bus with Farrakhan but who thinks that will happen? I need to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he truly will not tolerate racism or anti-semetism. I also want to know more about his wife who seems to be something of a loose cannon with her remarks. Republicans are gonna jump on anything and we can't go through another 8 years of the status quo. Patriotism is non-negotiable.

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peggy,ny,ny — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:50:31 GMT

I think any normal American would agree this country needs change of leadership. I am pleased that the opposition party fielded an impressive slate of candidates to turn this thing around. Although the final two have strengths & weaknesses, it seems the country wants real change and that is Obama. The debate was not the knockout blow Clinton needed and it is over for her. MSNBC has shown its burnt fingers in the past 2 wks although I think David Schuster is an excellent reporter who might have shown his fatigue more than prejudice in the Clinton line. If Chelsea will play surrogate for her Mom, she should answer reporters' questions. They should not be permitted to have it both ways. Although I find the reporting generally great, even I am surprised at some points; Keith must get over Jon Stewart's very funny joke;Chris can stop trying to please the Clinton machine - I know power never says thank you; and perhaps some more comment on the fact McCain knew exacly what he was getting in his warm-up act and only apologized to the media, not the crowd that was present. I apologize for the length of the missive and welcomeback David!!!

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Hillary — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:54:45 GMT

The clip of Todds reaction to the debate is just a prime example of MSNBCs bias! The female host correctly points out that Senator Clinton meant that she gets the fisrt question of EVERY TOPIC not just of the debate. Then her male host,Joe Scarborough i belive, jumps all over and the female host put her tails betweem her legs and backed down.
SHAME ON YOU female host! Stand your ground, you were right!

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D.R. - Illinois — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:02:50 GMT

You'd think a candidate who is allegedly "Ready on Day One" would be happy to answer questions first if only to prove her point...

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:19:54 GMT

kenn: '...The Best is OBAMA BLAMING the people who put the bus in the ditch,DEMOCRATS DODD AND KENENNDY AND KERRY thats you...'

Uh, kenn....
Ted Kennedy voted AGAINST the Iraq War
Hillary Clinton VOTED FOR THE IRAQ WAR !!

What part of THAT don't you understand ?

Hillary Clinton went along with the crowd and voted for the worst disaster of the 21st Century...

What's the value of her 'experience' of she keeps screwing up like taht ?
She DIDN'T learn from her mistake on Iraq and vote to go to war against Iran !!
Pretty clever, huh ?

Game over, kenn

Obama is now 'inevitable'

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Steve, Dickinson, ND — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:26:47 GMT

Ann from Hohenwald: So you don't like Obama. Still, it is immoral to help spread the libelous rumor that he has any connection to Middle Easterners, or any connection to muslims other than his father who left home when Barack was a baby.

Statistics say that Clinton gets a high percentage of support from stupid old women. I guess that describes you.

In my opinion, Clinton is a negative, racist witch. Barack is a positive force who can lead America to making us better than we've been for a long, long time.

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Pamela Lawson, Dallas, TX — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:32:32 GMT

I believe Obama is and continue to be a real gentelman. He poses as a president unlike Clinton who clearly does not know how to control her emotions.

Indeed, being a president is about being a fighter for your country as Clinton stated but what she has forgotten is that you need to know how to fight for your country. Fighting is not about bursting out when you disagree but it is about stay calm and fight with diplomacy. And clearly, Clinton does not have any diplomacy...

Clinton's supporters need to step back and see that Clinton does not have the posture of a future president and without that it is impossible for her to be and to act like one.

There are both good candidates but Obama is clearly a better canditate that she is.

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Barbara Danko, Carlisle, PA — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:40:02 GMT

From an undecided democrat - guess I was watching a different debate than everyone else, but I clearly think Hilary won the debate. Obama says nothing but "WORDS"! Last night's debate only made me know I am not voting for Obama and am still undecided.

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MJ — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:48:23 GMT

"Bitch is the new black!" Hillary was interupted constantly by the moderators while Hussein was given all the time in the world. The moderators pander to Hussein because he is black and he pushes that. The picture is real and so is his name!

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John Ehrhart Tacoma, Wa — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:51:14 GMT

The argument that there is gender bias because so few males support Hillary C., is better explained by her positions on things that these males wouldn't like. Obama has a very likeable public persona, and Hillary can't seem to manage that. Her's seems phoney because of her famous tirades,the appearance of condescension (in my eyes) etc. There is much less information about what Obama is like in private life. In general, Obama's positions are to the left of Hillary's, though she is very flexible, as needed for her bigger agenda. McCain is feisty, and not a great presenter of things. He would have a decent chance if he stuck to discussions as to why his way would work better than his democratic opponent, and remained the elder statesman, but if he delivers criticisms of (Obama's) inexperience, or ANYTHING other than policy debate, he will be thrashed in the general election, I believe. Should Hillary get the nomination, the democrats will fulfill their secret wishes to be to be irrelevant complainers as the history of the world passes them by - once again.

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william byrd — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:55:35 GMT

they talk about obama getting good press...
sometimes i think nbc works for hrc. chris mathews seems to be on hrc payroll, he give her talking points
and i think she takes them. and Morning Joe, seems to sometimes on hrc side. take a look.

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L.Mann, Long Island, NY — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:03:20 GMT

Once again, Obama was not challenged by the moderators except for on a STUPID discussion of Farakhan's support - where Hillary schooled him (again) on how to handle things correctly.

Russert pounced on HIllary as much as he could, practically bludgeoning her with his note cards and video clips.

Most of us WOULD rather hear about the differences in the candidates' health care plans, etc. rather than quibble about minor issues that Russert and Williams might have thought were "gotcha" moments.

I agree with a previous poster who asked why there were no questions on the economy. Hearing both candidates' plans on fixing our economic problems would have been much more productive than the shallow crap they dealt with for about 1/2 of the debate.

The environment was also ignored once again.

Overall, Hillary again showed her superior depth of knowledge on the issues approached by the moderators, and Obama spent about half of the time with his "Me too" lines. No disrespect intended, I would support either one in the general election, but feel Hillary has the right stuff RIGHT NOW.

Many of the comments on this board support my suspicions and those of some others here and elsewhere that I've read. Many voters, especially the younger ones who are probably more likely to be contributing to threads like this, are swept away with Obama's rhetoric, his youth, his "fresh-ness," and are not as concerned as they SHOULD be about his policy platform.

Hillary has proven her capability at bringing people together in the Senate to get things done, and THAT, plus her ideas for progress and change in healthcare, economy, foreign policy, etc. are what make her the superior candidate for 2008.

Hillary for President 2008!

Obama for Vice President 2008!

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jacksmith, Dallas, Texas. — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:35:43 GMT

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT:-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

Best regards

jacksmith...