http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx A day before departing for New Orleans the Gulf Coast, President Bush meets this afternoon with military service organizations in the White House. The nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation offers a "very preliminary" estimate that "Bush's plan toen-USCommunityServer 2.0 (Build: 60608.1)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#73881Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:17:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:73881Steve Turner Cedar Falls IowaSo the taxpayer Doesn't have a right to challenge 'Holy' people who are getting his taxdollars, by way of not paying any themselves? And the 'Holy' tax-free get to use their free 'Holy' money to elect politicians who will make sure they get to keep their tax-free 'Holy' status, no matter which election they try to cook? All I can say, is if the Wiccans take over, the next President will be an Arborist. Mark my words.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#73887Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:19:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:73887retired union man, ibew, americaPay for heath care with tax on ceo excessive pay and perks and bonuses, then you might see someone come up with a real plan to reduce healthcare costs.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#73905Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:27:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:73905Robert Catalano, Salem, ORPay for health care with taxes from any church wwho has been involved in officially supporting candidates or political issues, or has leaders who have been convicted of felonies or removed because of "moral indiscretions." I think that's nearly all of them, isn't it?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#73923Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:34:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:73923Marty in Kansas CityWasn't STUPID GOERGE telling the country how the Democrats will "Raise Your Taxes" last fall if they won. Are there any real republicans left? Leave health care to the Democrats so it can be done right.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#73950Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:49:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:73950Steve Turner Cedar Falls IowaDubya has a year and change left in his 'Presidency' and now he comes up with Hillary's Health Care Plan? Talk about a screw loose...or is it Freudian?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#74057Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:46:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74057Still Crazy After All These Years"the cowboy came from out of the west,with his snakeskin boots and his bulletproof vest, gang of goons and his big war chest, fortunate son he was doubly blessed, corporate cronies and the chiefs of staff, bowin'to the image of the golden calf, starting up wars in the name of god's son, gonna blow us all the way to kingdom come. man of god, man of god, that ain't the preachings of a man of god."-Man Of God -Eliza Gilksonhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#74128Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:14:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74128Steve Turner Cedar Falls IowaBush's Health Care Epiphany, came too late for the little boy who died from a toothache.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#74139Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:22:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74139Still Crazy After All These Yearscoalition of the willing and the judgmental, patricians, politicians, and the fundamentalists, you never have to tell them how the money's spent, you never have to tell them where their freedom went, homophobes in the high command, waitin' for the rapture lik it's disneyland, hide all the bodies from out of view, channel all the treasure to the chosen few, that ain't the teachings of a man of god man of god, man of god, that ain't the preachings of a man of god."-Man of God, Eliza Gilkysonhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#74176Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:40:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74176Still Crazy After All These Years"if I could I surely would, stand on the rock where moses stood,look out people now we're gonna get fleeced, by a wolf masquerading as a man of peace, jesus said blessed are the meek, jesus said you gotta turn the other cheek, jesus said help the poor and the weak, if he lived today he'd be a liberal freak, all the money changers would be out on the street, weepin and wailin and gnashing their teeth, me I'm waitin on the reckoning day, when the world gonna rise and say, man of god, man of god, that ain't the teachings of a man of god, man of god, man of god, that ain't the preachings of a man of god"-Man Of Gid-Eliza Gilkysonhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#74236Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:01:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74236bobf I agree with your first statement Steve. It was especially true in Minnesota. Michelle Bachman was at a mass by one of the largest superchurches and the minister told the people to vote for Michelle Bachman. They did an interview of this guy and he feels he was justified in promoting Michelle Bachman and said he did not break any law. The IRS is looking into it , but most likely nothing will happen. This idiot gets tax free money, promotes a conservative candidate , and gets away with it. When asked about his massive holdings and his huge house, he said he spent more of his money for poor people then other churches. He said he was being singled out because of his wealth, size of his congreation, and association with Michelle Bachman. No, you are being called out because you crossed the line between state and church. It is funny how the religious leaders use religion and tax free money to promote their causes and candidates, and then expect nobody to question them.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#74426Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:21:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74426jtbRobert of Salem: How about paying for health care by taxing the income of selfish, greedy, morally indiscreet,political candidate-supporting rich Oregonians, especially from Salem, because, as EVERYONE knows, nothing good EVER came out of Salem, Oregon. How's it feel to be the butt of an erroneous generalization?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#74536Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:49:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74536Still CrazyAfter All These Years"if I could I surely would, stand on the rock where moses stood, look outpeople now we're gonna get fleeced by a wolf masquerading as a man of peace, jesus said blessed are the meek,jesus said you gotta turn the other cheek, jesus said help the poor and weak, if he lived today he'd be a liberal freak, all the money changers would be out on the street, weepn and wailin and gnashing their teeth, me I'm waitin on the reckoning day, when the whole world gonna rise up and say, man of god, man of god, that ain't the teachings of a man of god, man of god, man of goe, that ain't the preachings of a man of god."-Man of God -Eliza Gilkysonhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#75006Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:11:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75006Neill CI can't disagree with the liberals here. This plan is crazy. It was stupid crazy when Hillary was trying to get it going and it is stupid now. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#75249Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:09:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75249Robert Ctalano, Salem, ORjtb, I don't mind being the butt of any joke because I have a sense of humor. I actually came out of Illinois. But, just so you know, lots of good things have come out of Oregon: the bottle law, vote-by-mail, dying with dignity and keeping the hell out of other people's and states' business. Oh, and, one of the top ratios of troops to population fighting in Iraq. Better a butt of a joke than just a butt. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#76147Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:34:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76147jtbwell, then we have more in common than we think. By the way, I've been to Oregon: beautiful state. I like Redmond and Hood River the best. Never made Crater Lake, though. I'm sorry, i just bristled at your Church reference. Bad apples everywhere, and organized religion is no exception. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#76490Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:42:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76490seanoSteve,cedar falls:Yeah!I agree with you except I would add one other entity, that steals more money than the church,the unions.It doesn't seem to matter to them that at least 40pct of union members are conservative, they still throw all their dues money into lefty causes and political candidates.So, lets have a massive louse hunt and root out all the lefty corruption within the unions, and then I'm all for going after the churches,too.PS don't you find it kind of strange that guys like Jessie Jackson preach about evil conservatives all the time yet not one lefty seems to have a problen with it? Yes sir, Ole Jessie uses the pulpit to denigrate anything that smacks of conservatism, to raise money for looney left political causes? But, in your eyes, and most lefties, you see no double standard?Are you real or are you memorex?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#76566Fri, 02 Mar 2007 01:05:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76566seanoRobert Catalano: As I said in my previous blog, how about all the conservative dues paying mambers of the unions?They're being robbed by the union bosses and made to pay for far lefty politicos like Algore and John "CURRIE" etal, and looney left causes.Do you have a problem with that? That's theft, my man!and on a massive scale.At least the churches pass the plate around and people have a choice whether to give or not to give.On the other hand, the unions hold a gun to their members heads and demand their dues and then do with it as they may.If you don't pay the dues they run you out of town.No dues,no job.And you have the audacity to demand of the church that they give up their tax free status and distribute their honestly gotten money to the masses in the form of healthcare and welfare handouts?How very left of you!Tell me it isn't so?The mental cases have taken over the hospital!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#77092Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:52:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:77092Robert Catalano, Salem, ORIt is so, Seano, the neo-con psychos are running the country.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/73777.aspx#77144Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:29:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:77144seanoRobert Catalano:Is that the best response you can come up with for my statement concerning unions?You beauties better get some new words in your vocabularies other than calling people neocons.You sound like little parrots.When you don't have a counter argument, that holds up to scrutiny, you resort to the old neocon BS.Could it be because you have no lefty talking points from the likes of George Soros,Algore or Johnny Currie, etal,to reply in any meaningful way?I'm waiting?