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patty,sd,ca — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:46:34 GMT

Hillary will take Michigan and Florida.It is not Clinton's faul that Obama took his name of the ballot in Michigan.Yet another rookie mistake.

The Clinton machine is going full speed now. woooo hoooo!!!!!!

Move over Obama. The Clinton machine is going to run you over on their way to the white house

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Gary, Toronto, Ontario — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:48:36 GMT

The spectacle of watching Gov. Crist following around McCain like a puppy while trying to foist the cost of a new primary onto the DNC (which wouldn't be necessary if he'd simply followed the rules)all the while barking sanctimoniously about the "florida voters" being robbed would be funny if it weren't so transparently cynical.

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No do do's — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:49:37 GMT

NO do overs. Count the votes the way they are. People got out and voted..count em. Can anyone else jump in to try and give the nominee to him? Hillary will be president.

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Lisa from New Britain, CT — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:50:56 GMT

Thanks for linking Clinton the the machine Patty, that's helpful in drawing distinction.

As for the Mich. and FL superdelegates...I reinterate MY consistent point. Anyone advocating for a rules change at this point, has a bias.

Are Nelson and Granholm going to recluse themselves as superdelegates? Of course Crist doesn't have to...he's a REPUBLICAN. No bias there, of course.

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M, Florida — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:52:00 GMT

Clinton agreed to the rules about Florida and Michigan. Obama wasn't even on the ballot, whereas Clinton reversed and refused to remove her name.
Obama would have a good chance of winning Michigan and would definitely have a good fight of it in FL.
I would have voted for Obama in the primary, but didnt go out because we were told it wouldn't count.
I know there are many others who did the same.

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Moodi — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:52:40 GMT

Billary camp is based on IFs, if we jab and destroy Obama's everything, if we cheat the people in each state, if we put pressure on media, if we persuade by any means the superdelegates, if we put so many propaganda on any issue, WE WILL WIN.

I HOPE NOT SO.

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New Wave — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:53:12 GMT

Say No to Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton !!!

USA is not a monarchy.

Go Obama '08.

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New Wave — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:53:35 GMT

When will Clinton return $170,000 contribution to the company that sexually harassed women. So much for standing for women.

Why the MSM not reporting the news that it was Clinton's campaign that really had the NAFTA-gate issue ater all they reported against Obama on that.

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Bill Rochester NY — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:53:40 GMT

Is there a more treacherous and gutless hack than Hillary Clinton? Possibly Joe Lieberman(pronounced lye berman) at least he had the good sense to run as an independant.

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j fl — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:54:15 GMT

Yea nd shes still ahead and after Penn and Fla she will gain them and more back. Sorry boys.

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diane — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:54:57 GMT

I think every democrat and the people at First Read and all of MSNBC needs to read this by Andrew Sullivan and think of what Allowing clinton to have her way would really mean
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/the-clinton-rul.html

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christian — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:54:58 GMT

Clinton camp backpedals from Ken Starr-Obama tie
by Rick Pearson

HATTIESBURG, Miss. — In the aftermath of the resignation of Samantha Powers, a top foreign affairs advisor to Sen. Barack Obama, for calling Sen. Hillary Clinton a “monster,” the Clinton team may also have tripped themselves up.

During a conference call with reporters, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson tried to explain his Thursday accusation that Obama’s campaign was using Ken Starr-like tactics against the New York senator was not comparable to Powers’ comments.

“Ours was a reaction to the Obama campaign’s attacks on Sen. Clinton post their losses in Ohio and Texas,” Wolfson said. “I did not refer, I did not say, that Sen. Obama was like Ken Starr and I think there is a difference between engaging in the kind of ad hominem personal attack on someone’s character that Samantha Power did and talking about the kind of campaign that Team Obama has been running since Ohio and Texas.”

But here is what Wolfson told reporters on the conference call yesterday:

"I for one do not believe that imitating Ken Starr is the way to win a Democratic primary election for president," Wolfson said

Wolfson’s comments have revealed an interesting strategy by the Clinton campaign to try to use him to criticize Obama without the candidate having to accept any responsibility for his words. For example, when Clinton was asked yesterday about Wolfson’s use of Starr to characterize her rival’s campaign, she succinctly said: “I’m not going to respond to that.”

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Carly "Hussein," Iowa — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:55:43 GMT

This First Read post isn't clear. Are the supers only relevant if the FL/MI elected delegates are seated? Are you operating on the assumption that a do over would have some affect on these supers support?

Clarify, please!

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Gary - Pittsburgh — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:55:59 GMT

Boy is Larry David hitting the right note or what? I have received his comments from 7 or 8 people just this morning....and only one of them even knows that I would sympathize with them. Sometimes someone just gets it!

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Colleen, NY — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:56:09 GMT

Florida and Michigan Democrats should have followed the rules. But, given the important of these big states in the genral election. There should be a do-over paid for by the people who caused the problem in the first place - the state parties.

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susan f — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:56:10 GMT

And Edwards is a rookie? And Biden and Dodd too? Because they too filed to have their names removed from Michigan's ballots. Oh wow! We need to have a rookie democratic party! Yeah, I'll be there!

Patty,sd,ca get a life! Did you not do a research paper in your senior year of high school? You know, the kind where you need to look up information?

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Patrick, Detroit, MI — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:56:44 GMT

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Doles, Miami, FL — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:58:15 GMT

Boy, this Patty, SD, CA, person is a real fan, huh?

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Tim, Reading, Pa — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:58:25 GMT

Personally I think that Michigan and Florida should re-do their primaries. They broke the rules and should have to pay for the consequenses. If the people of Michigan and Florida are upset with this then maybe they should vote their officials out of office. Remember how we all had to pay for the Republicans to impeach Clinton?

patty, come up with something new and thought provoking or just shut up please. I've gotten tired of seeing the same thing out of you every single time

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L. Miller — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:59:43 GMT

I'm fascinated by how journalists are no longer even pretending to be impartial. The Bob Johnson comments had nothing to do with Hillary's campaign, and yet they were brought up by a journalist and presented almost as if they were ethically equivalent to the comments of an Obama advisor. Was the journalist who brought up Bob Johnson's comments in the context of the Samantha Power story even reprimanded by their editor or publisher?

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Barry , Naples — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:00:04 GMT

Hey, bam bamers, barry needs to grow up if ya'll think she's tough wait till the reps get a hold of him. He doesn't have enough back bone so go with her so we will win the white house.

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j fl — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:00:14 GMT

Boo Hoo M in Florida. A huge amount of folks did vote on primary day and if you missed it, tough! We all also voted on Amendment one, which was critical for us and our state. Where were you?

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Lisa from New Britain, CT — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:00:40 GMT

Everyone has a bias. I call on Nelson and Granholm to recuse themselves if they want to call for a rules change in the middle of the game.

Of course its even more clear that Crist is a partisan, being a Republican.

anti-Clinton MACHINE, Obama 08

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LJ — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:01:06 GMT

Patty, sd, ca: You have referred to the "Clinton Machine" in nearly every post you've made today. Do you actually think that is a positive portrayal of the Terminator-like nature of your candidate? She IS a machine--a heartless, souless, MONSTER of a machine. Then again, maybe you are a machine yourself, as you robotically post the same thing over and over. And they call us Obamaniacs cultish...give me a break.

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sg, michigan — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:03:04 GMT

It's rather silly to say Obama is naive to remove his name from the Michigan ballot while Clinton fights for her hollow victory delegates. Obama, Edwards and other candidates shown their integrity by going that extra step by removing their names.

Hillary refused so she may exploit any loophole.

And think about it. Hillary signed an agreement that Michigan (and Florida) delegates do not count. It's rather disigenuous for her to fight to keep them after the fact.

If you want a fair count of delegates from either state, you'll have to start a new primary in each. But be warned, you'll also open up a can of worms over petty political details.

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OBwan, IN — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:03:48 GMT

The rules are no delegates from those states are seated.
That includes super - its all or nothing.

Is Granholm and Crist on Hillary's short list. They sure act like it.

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patty,sd,ca — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:05:11 GMT

Are you serious?????? Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot. Even Patty has to agree that simply isn't fair. I live in Detroit and I KNOW Obama would win, Detoit, Plymouth, Flint Southfield, and Pontiac. NO DOUBT! So you mean to tell me that negating these cities vote is democracy in action?
Patrick, Detroit, MI (Sent Friday, March 07, 2008 12:56 PM)

*************************************

you had a primary already.If people didn't put their name on the ballot it is not Clinton's fault.Like Howard dean said follow the rules.The rules are

State can send proposal for a different election or appeal to the board at the convention.The board is packed with Clinton supporter.

See where this is going?

Clinton 08

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patty,sd,ca — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:09:06 GMT

Hillary refused so she may exploit any loophole.

michigan (Sent Friday, March 07, 2008 1:03 PM)

well duh!!

it all a game.

CHECKMATE

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Chris — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:10:06 GMT

Paty,sd, ca:

Another example of the "uneducated" demographic Clinton's campaign relies on...

News Flash!

MI and FLA broke the rules, they should suffer the consequences. If you have a problem with this convince those Hillary supporters to put down the kool-aid and write their legislature and ask why they decided to move up their primaries and risk losing their delegates.

I for one, would not pay any tax dollars to continue this circus...

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Dan, Burlington, VT — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:10:36 GMT

I'm amazed the media hasn't gone after Governor Crist. Crist was seen on nearly every major news outlet saying he wanted a revote and that it's not fair to not seat the Florida delegates. He used the "I'm in charge of what's best for the voters."

Someone please call him out on how rediculous this argument is...if he cared at all about the voters he would have heeded the warnings from both parties and not tried to change the rules in the first place. He screwed up and, in typical political fashion, is trying to put the blame somewhere else.

The voters in Florida and Michigan should be going after their own elected officials, not the national parties. Had the states actually kept their primary dates we would be talking about how important they are with Pennsylvania.

Gotta love politics.

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Chris — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:12:34 GMT

paty,sd,ca:

Please be more informed before you make such a statement.

Each candidate SIGNED a pledge not to campaign in Florida, each candidate SIGNED a pledge not to pull their names from the ballot in Michigan. Last time I checked, a pledge was a PROMISE. So it IS HILLARYS FAULT that she did not remove her name from the ballot.

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Roger Barton — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:12:37 GMT

Largely missed in this week's craziness: Obama picked up 8 delegates after the california certification came through.

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Ron, TX — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:12:46 GMT

Michigan and Florida didn't play by the rules. This is the direct fault of their state parties.

Sen. Nelson from Florida is all too quick to point the finger at Dean and demand the DNC pay for it, I say, those at fault pay for it! The Florida Democratic Party should pay for it. Maybe all the Democrats in Florida should surrender their pay for a year, since they screwed it up for their constituents.

But on this story, Mark Murray, I think it's gone unnoticed because that's a pretty insignificant point. Basically, it means over the past month, Clinton had a net gain of 7 delegates to Obama's 49 delegates. And any time Obama beats Clinton, well, that doesn't really count. Wyoming and Mississippi... those aren't REAL states! Same with these superdelegates.

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Dan, Burlington, VT — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:13:01 GMT

Patty, you're right, "you had a primary already.If people didn't put their name on the ballot it is not Clinton's fault.Like Howard dean said follow the rules."

Clinton needs to play by the rules, the rules stated the delegates wouldn't count. She agreed to these rules. Plain and simple...

How's that for a game...

Check.....

(there is no checkmate until a candidate wins you fool)

Obama '08

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Rick, NC — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:14:07 GMT

I like charlie crist and his 'concern' for the citizens of Florida...how could the voters there have elected such an obvious blown dried fraud as their governor? Maybe we shouldn't let them vote in November for being so gullible as to believe the rest of us are going to give them a taxpayer bailout for their insurance needs

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Jesse, Burnsville, MN — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:14:16 GMT

For all of the Hillary supporters that say "you think she's negative, wait until the Republican's get a hold of him", I say HILLARY IS A REPUBLICAN!! She has been praising McCain left and right the past couple of days.

Hillary = worst Democrat ever!

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vs,ny,ny — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:14:58 GMT

I guess Clinton will be beside herself when she doesn't win the Dem nomination nor the presidency.

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Ted, Grand Rapids, Michigan — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:15:08 GMT

What about NAFTAgate?

Did Clinton not Obama make the contact?

Did it really cost votes last Tuesday?

How did this story break so upside down?

Why is this reversal not nearly as much news as it was when it broke incorrectly?

Hello... anybody out there... is this thing on?

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CitizenJ — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:15:17 GMT

Hillary refused so she may exploit any loophole.

michigan (Sent Friday, March 07, 2008 1:03 PM)

well duh!!

it all a game.

CHECKMATE

patty,sd,ca (Sent Friday, March 07, 2008 1:09 PM)

That is funny, since even WITH Florida and Michigan, Clinton would still be losing. She would be losing in delegates, she would be losing in popular vote, and she would be losing in number of states won.

Checkmate? Indeed.

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patty,sd,ca — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:17:11 GMT

Clinton needs to play by the rules, the rules stated the delegates wouldn't count. She agreed to these rules. Plain and simple...

*******************************

Rules are made to be broken. Every rule has been broken at some point or another and this rule won't be an exception.

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Lo in OR — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:17:58 GMT

Well, since Michigan is planning a caucus...Obama will win, and the supers will shift to him. Don't count your chickens Hillary supporters. Florida will not have a do over unless it is a caucus because they will not foot the bill for a primary and neither will the DNC.. So much for that..

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vs,ny,ny — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:17:58 GMT

I feel sorry for you people monitoring this site since you don't even feel secure enough to post a message that supports someone you don't support. Let me guess, you'll post this message.

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Chris — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:18:26 GMT

Correction on my post:

Each candidate SIGNED a pledge not to campaign in Florida, each candidate SIGNED a pledge TO PULL their names from the ballot in Michigan. Last time I checked, a pledge was a PROMISE. So it IS HILLARYS FAULT that she did not remove her name from the ballot.

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The Truth Hurts?Maybe, Columbus Georgia. — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:18:25 GMT

OMG!

Thank you!!

There are so many here that need to understand that, about the role of super delegates.

They are independent voters, that is unless they are like "John Lewis" who is now, at present... up for re-election and his district is mostly black and he has been told that if he don't vote the same as (9 out of 10) blacks vote. They will throw the bum out....

I guess he believes them, and decided to suck it up and keep his job. Understandable, he is a politician, spineless, not much back bone. But hey, a man's got to do what a man's got to do.

Why do they always have to lie, his story about what a difficult decision it was for him to decide to "get over" to the Obama side. He caved to pressure, and the $$$$$, figure donation from the Obama campaign, to help him with his re-election bid, didn't hurt a bit, either.

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The Truth Hurts?Maybe, Columbus Georgia. — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:18:45 GMT

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Scott — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:19:41 GMT

Christian,
Excellent post. Everyone should read it. It's of course how that campaign operates--lurking around the edges. No Wolfson didn't say "Obama IS Ken Starr," he said "imitates Ken Starr" so that the next day he could come out and say "what's the big fuss about, I didn't say Obama is Ken Starr." He's a snake. Anyone with a brain can see it. And of course Hillary won't respond to it. Because she was in the morning meeting in which they decided to bring up Ken Starr.

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Jesse "Hussein" T, Burnsville, MN — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:19:49 GMT

People, the Clintons are royalty, don't you know. They are better than us average peasants. It is Hillary's god given right to be President. So to hell with who has won the most states, who has the delegate lead, and who is leading in the popular vote.

Just give her the damn Presidency you minions.

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Dan, Iowa — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:20:57 GMT

What I find amazing about Florida and Michigan is that Clinton had been campaigning there for years before this election allowing the Clinton name to be a household name. Before either state could get to know Obama, the said OK, no campaigning in those states.

What a surprise that she won! What's even more amazing is that is her idea of a fair election.

What a joke!

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mss — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:21:27 GMT

only people who thinks not following the rules is the way politics should be done. these statements are stupid. Even with a redo and sen.clinton wins each state 55 to 40 she will only gain around 21 delicates and still after losing wyoming and mississippi she might have a net of 10 and will still be 150 behind.

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Betty from AL — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:21:38 GMT

Please Hillary don't put him on your ticket. He will hurt you...he doesn't have enough experience to be vp. Give the voters time you will come out with the nominee and pick someone that will help our country not hurt us. He wouldn't stand up for women's rights when he had the chance.

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sg, michigan — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:22:19 GMT

Hillary refused so she may exploit any loophole.

michigan (Sent Friday, March 07, 2008 1:03 PM)

well duh!!

it all a game.

CHECKMATE

patty,sd,ca (Sent Friday, March 07, 2008 1:09 PM)

Patty, dear. You missed the point.

If Ms. Clinton makes an agreement and breaks it for a sleazy political gain, how well will she be received? This is exactly how the Clintons handed the Congress and presidency over to the Republicans. Al Gore would have become president if his association to the Clintons not erroded his chance to win.

Now go away Patty. I think I hear your babysitter calling.

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We ain't takin this_ _ any more ! We have legal rights ! — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:22:40 GMT

HOW'S THIS FOR A SOLUTION TO THE FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN VOTE MESS. IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO COUNT THEASE LEGINIMATE ELECTIONS. THEN WE WILL NOT COUNT ANY ,ELECTION BECAUSE THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS THEN CORRUPT. I VOTED, MY FELLOW FLORIDIAN'S VOTED IN A LEGAL ELECTION.THEASE VOTES SHOULD STAND,AND THE DELEGATES SEATED AT THE CONVENTION. IF NOT A NEW ELECTION,not caucus MUST TAKE PLACE, PRIOER TO JUNE 11,2008. P.S. IT WAS A REPUBLICAN GOVENOR--CRIST AND REPUBLICAN LEGLESLATOR WHO MADE THIS DAM DECISION. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT OUT ON ANYONE ,I SUGGEST YOU GIVE THEM A CALL IN TALLAHASSEE,FLORIDA. HOWEVER GOV. CRIST MAY BE OUT OF THE OFFICE AT THE RITZ-CARLTON IN NAPLES, FLORIDA ..$2,500.00 PLATE MCCAIN FUNRAISER LUNCH. SO HE MAY HAVE TO RETURN YOUR CALL.OH BY THE WAY CRIST IS INTERVIEWING FOR THE V.P. POSITION.

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JohnnyU, WA State — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:23:03 GMT

I'm genuinely worried for Hillary. She's looking really stressed. I'm afraid the next time this thing takes a turn she doesn't like she'll go postal. Anyone in close proximity (physically & politically) could get hurt. It brings a new reason why she should have security guards around her. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really worried about her.
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Also: Is "patty" (on this thread) a typical Clinton supporter? What does THAT say?

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Hussein — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:23:33 GMT

What worse is that patty sd, ca reposts her laim posting time and again!

"If Obama can't stand the heat..."

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DJShay, NC — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:24:08 GMT

Clinton needs to changer her party affiliation and run as McCain's VP. She sure is acting like a Republican. Democratic Superdelegates, I hope you're watching. She's dissing the party.

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AC in LA CA — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:25:14 GMT

Don't engage that patty freak. Just like her hero, fairness to another Democrat & winning the general election are concepts she doesn't comprehend.

This is why Obama is what we need:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmUUYo9o9eg

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THE PARENT — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:25:24 GMT

Sure, well be glad to count the votes in Florida and Michigan. Just not the pledged delegates that the votes represent. Little children must learn that when they break the rules there are consequences. Sure, you can make it better, by showing remorse, a little humility, and by accepting responsibility for your actions--little children--BY PAYING FOR A RE-DO.

GROW-UP

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Amy Andersen, Eden Prairie, MN — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:26:24 GMT

Hey "Barry" -- Don't worry your pretty little head over it. Obama has plenty of back bone -- it takes a certain kind of inner strength and serenity not to respond in kind to what Clinton is dishing out.

In fact, I suspect that if Obama looked Vladimir Putin in the eye, it would be Putin who blinked.

Change we can really believe in --

Obama/Webb 08

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Ann — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:27:04 GMT

Obama wins in Texas
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=87961802

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Billy Gibb — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:27:15 GMT

Enjoy your (brief) moment Hillary supporters.

Obama will be Winner. Hillary will be Whinner.

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MEET ME IN INDIANA, indianapolis, IN — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:27:26 GMT

she followed the rules. she didn't campaign in florida! they broke records with their voter turnout and about 1/2 a million more people wanted her. if we redo it - it's going to be the same - just a waste of money the dems can use in the fall. count florida for sure and have a redo in michigan even though it was obama's own fault taking his name off the ballot. why did he really do that? it only punishes the voters. we need to revote because these are HUGE states in the fall and it's dumb to burn bridges this early in the game. further, it wasnt really up to florida to move up it's election. c'mon people - stop acting like this is a big hillary scheme. we are the DEMOCRATIC party and silly me -i thought that meant wanted to hear the voices of voters....not completely disenfranchise two big states.

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patty,sd,ca — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:28:17 GMT

Also: Is "patty" (on this thread) a typical Clinton supporter? What does THAT say?
JohnnyU, WA State (Sent Friday, March 07, 2008 1:23 PM)

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Yes all of us Clinton supporters are MONSTERS be very afraid.

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ss — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:29:48 GMT

Hillary willwinFl and MI espifitsprimary though a caucus may give Obamathe edgein MI.Hispanic are unlikley to vote for Obama-again.More overLimbaugh effectif now all outin open to play.Real Limbaugh effect in my opinion is not republicans crossing over to vote for a democrat.Its the white middle aged mans reluctance to vote for an Obama.Its a fact that proven over . Makes me wonder-if Obama cannot even win support from so called liberals how is going to win the general election? He failed to win a single big state bar his home state of IL. Its true that he has energized a large (very liberal and visible especially on internet) democratic base but is that enough to win the gen election-guess not. And so far I have only factored in his backgound as a criteria for his viability.many more questions are yet to asked.If you have watched any of the debates,I dont think you needed Saturday Night live to tell us that media has given Obama a soft gloved treatment so far compared to what Clinton had to go through. And I am not even talking about the obviously biased MSNBC here. Real scrutiny is inevitable and looks like he is having a hard time handling it. If you think Clintons 3 AM ad is negative “you havent seen nothing yet" and wait till he get the nomination and see what republicans will do to him.
Even I hope that America has changed enough to see him in the white house but the answer so far has been NO NOT YET. I can understand the passion behind extreme liberals"hate Hillary' and "Obama or die" attitude but I dont think that healthy for their party.If they dont want to see another Bush term, its time to get real and stop hating Hillary who is their only viable choice.I dont think that she is guarenteed to win against MCCain either(unless the extreme wright wing evangelicals stay home) but amongst moderates,I think she has a fighting chance

http://middlebrainedmusings.blogspot.com/

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AC in LA CA — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:30:02 GMT

DJShay, you hit it! Obama should just paint her as a republican.

All Obama supporters should post

McCain/Clinton 08

on all their posts. Maybe it would send a message.

McCain/Clinton 08

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Gaston, Pittsburgh, PA — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:32:35 GMT

The only way I think it's going to be fair is if both states have elections again. Keeping the previous results is extremely unfair for Obama. I'm not decided yet. I vote on April 22. But Obama was not known enough, and he didn't campaign at all in those states. Clinton, in the other hand, for good or bad, is better known. So my first choice would be not to do anything at this point. Sorry Florida and Michigan, but complain with your governors. Or re-do the whole thing (which ias going to be extremely expensive).

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Sandra, Chicago, IL — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:34:20 GMT

The voters of Florida or Michigan didn't matter to Hillary when she thought that she would be crowned the victor. Don't be duped by the hype now- why didn't she stand up before the election to voice her concerns?

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Deb, — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:36:12 GMT

Are the Super Delegates indebted to the Clintons?

Is this the only reason they allow Hillary to RUIN the party?

Why else do they act so neutered to the point of the obvious, that Obama will Win the Nomination?

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marlin — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:36:38 GMT

ummm.....when will MSNBC and others start giving Obama credit for WINNING MORE DELEGATES in Texas than Hillary? Isn't that a split decision?

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I get to vote again in Nov. — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:36:52 GMT

I was so mad that the pledged delegates would not
count in the Fl primary that I e-mailed both my
state senators and the DNC and let them know that I
deserved to be counted. However, at this point in the primary election I do not think that it's fair to
change the rules. I am an Obama supporter but that is not the reason that I have changed my mind. I think that this situation ( which was created by the
current republican administration in charge)is a no-win situation. I do not want Fl to be a laughing stock once again. It's a great state! There is no
way that any change at this point would not be considered corrupt. I would not want to take money from the DNC--they need it to fight against McCain. Fl can't afford it either. What's done is done.

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Patrick, Detroit, MI — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:37:15 GMT

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Diva, San Diego, CA — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:37:59 GMT

Rules are made to be broken. Every rule has been broken at some point or another and this rule won't be an exception.

Patty why don't you piss on the constitution while you're at it.

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Cindy, Alabama — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:38:04 GMT

Can anyone tell me whether new primaries in Florida and Michigan would allow either Democratic candidate to clinch the nomination without superdelegate votes (assuming 60-40% or 55-45% splits of these states)? If not, why pay 35 million dollars for new primaries? Just let the superdelegates vote their minds and save the money for the general election.

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Matt, Portland Oregon — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:38:26 GMT

Chuck Todd and the MSNBC delegate crunchers...

Have you factored in the certified vote and the +8 for Obama in California?

Also when you run your projections are you just using simple percentages of the vote in each state to allocate future deleage numbers or do you factor in the proportional distribution from each district in each state?

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LB — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:38:43 GMT

I can't believe that Hillary is suggesting to those in Mississippi that she might be on a ticket with Obama!! Is she kidding? Why would he ever go on a ticket with her?? Obama supporters, please volunteer to call Mississippi voters and make sure they know that we need their vote, and Hillary will say anything to get elected!!

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Kelly — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:38:46 GMT

There is NO way Obama supporters will vote for him on a clinton ticket! He would be backing away from all that his supporters believe in. She is the same old politics and he would be a part of it. There ia No difference between Hillary and a Republician. She voted for the war, is a liar, and willing to betray her own party for PERSONAL gains. An Clinton Obama ticket is Hillary's dream!! This Independant will run to the Mccain corner! There is no way I would vote for this lying MONSTER! Why has MSNBC dropped the REAL story on who was making deals with CANADA? Gee.....we don't want to make Hillary out to be the scheamer she really is. Obamas people pointing it out is such a better story huh?

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Kim, Pasadena, CA — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:39:57 GMT

The problem with the Clinton campaign is exemplified in the first post on this board where someone claims "The Clinton machine is going to run you over on their way to the White House." Pleasant thought, isn't it? But, it does exemplify Senator Clinton's campaign.

Rather than tell us why Senator Clinton is the better candidate, we are peppered with empty soundbytes, meaningless phrases like a "time out on trade," fluffy policies with no detail like a "mandate" for health care with no mechanism for enforcement while at the same time the Clinton campaign attempts to literally "run over" Senator Obama and the millions of voters who support him.

I am one of those voters who supports Senator Obama with my small donations, my feet, my phone and my vote. I am also a woman. The Clinton campaign has savaged me and those like me as delusional, cult-following, trust-fund babies. Pleasant isn't it?
Should Senator Clinton manage to "run over" Senator Obama, which is highly unlikely, how does she propose to win back those of us she has so insulted?

If we don't come out and vote for Senator McCain, we will stay home. Nice way to steal defeat from the jaws of victory Senator Clinton. Insulting millions of voters is not a smart road to victory.

Senator Obama, on the otherhand, has never insulted any voter. Indeed, Senator Obama even has the grace to congratulate Senator Clinton when she wins a State -- something Senator Clinton has never done. Senator Clinton tries to work her supporters up into a blather about everything. Senator Obama, on the otherhand, calls us to hope and work for a better day for all Americans.

The choice is up to us. We can continue to bicker, insult and demean with Senator Clinton. Or, we can rise above this nonsense, treat each other like adults, roll up our sleeves and solve America's problems along side Senator Obama.

I urge anyone out there who is still undecided in this contest, to do the research. Read the newspaper articles, google both candidates, check out both websites and see if I am not correct. I strongly believe that Senator Obama is the right candidate, with the right message and plans to get America moving in the right direction again. Unlike Senator Clinton, Senator Obama knows he needs us, the American People, to hold him accountable, to hold Congress accountable and to help him reform healthcare and the educational system, free us from our dependency on foreign oil and get us out of Iraq, a war that should neither have been authorized, nor waged.

Set aside your fears, move beyond the tone set by the Clinton campaign of grade-school level bickering and embrace your hopes about what this Country can be and please vote, call, and work for Senator Obama and any other candidate who stands with him to change America.

Yes we can -- no matter what the Clinton campaign sends our way, or how Senator Clinton's campaign tries to run us over -- Yes we can! Obama '08.

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D-von — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:42:47 GMT

Patty, you say that they should follow the rules but then break them. Are you seroius? Tell you what why don't you become an advisor to the Clintons. Your spin and BS matches them perfectly.

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D-von — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:42:51 GMT

Patty, you say that they should follow the rules but then break them. Are you seroius? Tell you what why don't you become an advisor to the Clintons. Your spin and BS matches them perfectly.

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Kathleen, VA — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:43:16 GMT

If Florida and Michigan are going to redo their primaries Clinton has a good chance in catching Obama. But then again that may be the right thing to do. I am a Virginia Obama voter, but I have changed my mind and I am now supporting Clinton. Many around me are feeling the same. We feel Obama has been exposed as too weak and we are having buyer's remorse. We need Florida and Michigan to save us from our mistake.

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KCrump — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:43:20 GMT

i think there should be a re-do in FL and MI as well. From what I hear, Gov. Crist of FL would not accept a bill that would have kept the FL primary on or after Super Tuesday. So in other words, he would veto any bill that didnt push the FL Primary before Super Tuesday, thus breaking DNC rules. I do no think the voters of these two states should be ignored especially considering they will be high on the Democrats list for winning the election in November. Re-do the primaries and see what happens then.

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Margaret, NYC — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:43:47 GMT

So - Obama "won" Texas because of the undemocratic caucus that disenfranchises young parents, the elderly, shift workers, etc.
Caucuses accommodate college students quite well.

Hillary won the popular vote.
So - apparently, Obama is focusing on delegates won.
Florida 2000 - all over again.

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Kim, Pasadena, CA — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:44:20 GMT

I tried to post this before, but apparently it didn't work. I copied and pasted this from the Burnt Orange Report out of Texas. It shows that Senator Obama has a real chance of winning Texas in November. Senator Clinton also has an outside possibility. If we can keep this race halfway civil, Senator Obama could win an overwhelming mandate. Texas!!!

Here is the story from the Burnt Orange Report:

Democrats Can Win Texas: 34 Electoral Votes in Play
by: Karl-Thomas Musselman
Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 07:24 PM CST

Survey USA has just completed massive nationwide, state-by-state polling of match-ups in the presidential race. While both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama would rack up winning scenarios nationally, what is most stunning is that Texas, yes-Texas, is a swing state.
- 600 Registered voters, MoE 4.1%

McCain +1 Over Obama
47% John McCain (R)
46% Barack Obama (D)
07% Undecided

McCain +7 Over Clinton
49% John McCain (R)
42% Hillary Clinton (D)
09% Undecided

This is stunning and I believe a large result of us seeing a presidential campaign here in Texas for the first time.

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Frank, FL — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:45:21 GMT

Hillary leading in national polling as voters learn info about Obama that the media has concealed for months.
And some Obamabots are having buyers remorse.

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just get it out — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:47:14 GMT

I sounds like democratic voters are sooo upset with this Hillary Clinton, that they won't vote for her even if she does win because: SHE IS A MONSTER, A MONSTER, A MONSTER!!!

OK, I FEEL BETTER NOW.

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laughing my --- off from chicago — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:47:31 GMT

I'll bet Mayor Richard J. Daley is rolling over in his grave, laughing at the spectacle of "superdelegates", originally designed to ensure representation of the "disenfranchised" Democrats of the 70's, now being used by the established Democrat machines to turn the tide for Clinton.
Imagine: the solution by Jesse Jackson and George McGovern, to ensure the Democratic Presidential nominee was chosen by "...the will of the people...", now torpedoing the very candidate it was supposed to help.

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Frank, FL — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:47:34 GMT

Hillary increasing lead in national polling as voters learn more info about Obama that the media has concealed for months.
Yeah - that means YOU Chuck Todd - and MSNBC.
And now Obamabots are admitting buyers' remorse.

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Martin — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:50:46 GMT

Is there a more treacherous and gutless hack than Barack Obama? Possibly Joe Lieberman(pronounced lye berman) at least he had the good sense to run as an independant.

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patty,sd,ca — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:50:48 GMT

That's what I mean patty. How can you say that it's good for the country to exploit rules to your advantage? It may be politics but that doesn't make it right.

I don't want to attack you as most do. I'd like for you for once to explain why you feel Hillary can do better? (without name calling, i.e. pimp daddy and the like)Is it that you support Hillary that much or you dislike Obama to this degree?

I've also seen where you would vote for McCain if Hillary didn't win. So it's not that you're such a strong Democrat either. So what's the deal is it affinity or disdain that motivates you?
Patrick, Detroit, MI (Sent Friday, March 07, 2008 1:37 PM)

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Because inspiration doesn't put food on the table.A speech can't make jobs or fix the economy.

I have tried listening to Obama but all I get is a VERY long description of what hope means.I personaly don't look at politicians for inspiration or a role model.

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Martin — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:51:02 GMT

Is there a more treacherous and gutless hack than Barack Obama? Possibly Joe Lieberman(pronounced lye berman) at least he had the good sense to run as an independant.

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Obama will prevail in Nov08 — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:51:25 GMT

WHERE'S THE HEADLINES ABOUT NAFTAGATE?????? The media is all over the Samantha Powers "monster" story and clamoring to get Hillary's statement about it. Give me a break! Ms. Powers said the TRUTH---plain and simple.
Ms Powers is no longer on Obama's campaign so girl, if you're listening! You can SHOUT it to the world now that Hillary Clinton is a vindictive, corrupt and power hungry MONSTER!!!
SHAME ON YOU MSNBC!!!!!

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j fl — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:51:40 GMT

Right on Patty! You Obamabots are worse than Scientologists!! What a bunch of brainwashed fools. Hillary will get her fla delegates and have a huge win in Pennsylvania. The superdelegates will come back to her, as they should.

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mox — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:52:10 GMT

.Obama isnt the messiha some try to tell us. He is only after his own goals. What his entire goal is I dont know but it worries me. He ask people of Ill. to put him in state senate.They did than he promised to stay there to help them.Wrong Now he wanted US Senate(you know the one he says is so bad he must change)When He got there he told Russert and times it was a silly question if he would use it as a stepping stone for presidency.But sure enough before his first term was over stepping to Pres. He is for himself only. People of Ill. he says no time was bad judgement to say he wouldnt go for pres.Lied about race twisted and used everything to look like Clintons were racist when it was he himself was.Any one looking for ans go to hillaryclinton.com everything you need. Woman History month Hillary for president!!

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Shtuey — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:53:31 GMT

Ok children, settle down. Here's the rub; Florida and Michigan will have delegates seated at the convention one way or another.

Do-overs can be funded by an independent source. Maybe Warren Buffet and Bill Gates will do it.

Delegates can be seated by petitioning the credentials committee at the convention.

It is also possible that the states could sue the DNC.

Howard Dean has also hinted that the delegates could be seated as is if the state delegations can find a loophole that would not violate the "rules."

Bottom line? Delegates from FL and MI will be seated at the convention one way or another, or both of those states will go Republican in the general, and Humble Howard and the DNC know it. If they weren't afraid of the backlash he'd be keeping his mouth shut about it.

Howie, you do know that after this is all over you are going to be replaced. I didn't think it was possible for anyone to screw up the DNC worse than Terry Mac, but you proved me wrong.

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Don't Vote in Florida — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:54:16 GMT

Once in a lifetime someone comes along and challenges the status quo through thoughtful intelligence. Once in a lifetime someone comes along that speaks with such eloquence other are forced to listen. Once in a lifetime someone comes along who truly cares to empower the average American, instead of placate the privileged few. Once in a lifetime someone comes along that has the courage to challenge the special interest , a dangerous thing to do. Once in a lifetime someone comes along who lifts the spirit of all Americans! The question is: are you really going to let this once in a lifetime opportunity to correct our bought and paid for governments (by special interest) pass you by? Vote for Obama

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Paul, Riverside, CA — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:54:17 GMT

patty,sd,ca:

Honestly, this is the base of the Clinton Supporter. Lame, and very ill-informed voter on the real issues that America is facing. Hillary will do nothing more that what is best for her, and her alone.

Also, Patty, rules may be made to be broken by the Clinton's, but at least I know that Obama is honest enough not to break them.

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Matt, Portland Oregon — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:54:43 GMT

FL and MI talk is great, but I still wonder about Texas.

Who won the Democratic Party nominating contest in Texas?

The MSM has simply gotten this one wrong by stating that the Clintons won in Texas. There is no other conclusion when you look at the facts. Did the Clintons win the primary portion of the contest? Yes, by about 100K votes. That is what almost everyone in the media has used to determine who won this contest. It got all of the attention and it got all of the hype

Obama will win the caucus portion of the contest. Is the hype that the Clintons won in Texas still being pushed because the caucus numbers aren’t all in yet? When you factor in both parts of this contest, the answer to the question of who the winner in Texas was becomes clear.

The Democratic Party chooses their nominee based on who receives the majority of delegates. Why is that not the same measure for who wins the state by state contests?

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Shelley G., Chicago, IL — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:57:17 GMT

Patty - It's obvious you are a complete idiot. You blatantly misstate the facts...CONSTANTLY! Oh, wait...you're a Hillary supporter - never mind, it fits!

Explain one thing to me, why does your candidate continue to trail Obama in the national head-to-head polls with McCain?

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Kit Kittappa — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:58:05 GMT

I have heard more than once that Hillary Clinton went to Beijing and talked about human rights. When she was in Beijingthe women in China already had equal rights with for a long time. In fact in some parts of southern China women have had total control of family affairs.

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Kit Kittappa — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:02:21 GMT

Just subtract the number of delegates that would have been availaable in Michiga and Florida, from the total a cadidate needs to get (2025?) and the race would be over.

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Caroline, NC — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:03:55 GMT

The rules are indeed the rules. But, to accuse the Clinton's of trying to change the game mid-way is unfair seeing as Obama made a national ad buy and ran ads for more than a week in Florida before the Primary. So, in essence, he changed the rules during the game. The issue lies with Howard Dean and his ineffectiveness. We need a strong leader for our Party and he is not that man. He placed us in this mess. IA, NH and SC all violated Party rules by moving their Primary dates forward as well. He didn't mind that.

Doesn't matter whom you're supporting we need someone to settle this immediately at that person is NOT Howard Dean.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/65/pe...n-as-dnc-chair

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OBwan, IN — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:04:47 GMT

Patty,SD,CA

Getting a little testy are you! Let see rules are meant to broken. Yeah! Sure ya betcha... cigars where, money from whitewater, taxes released...

You really need to understand that people from the midwest really dislike the stench coming from Washington DC, NY, FL, MI. That stench is corruption. If you play the game long enough it permeates from your pores.

If you think that this election is about Dems and Reps - it actually a little larger - it is actually about taking back our government.

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LB — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:06:12 GMT

Kathleen, VA; LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!! I live in Va and Obama is stronger than ever. Why in the world would you switch now to Hillary when she has behaved like a crazed animal who will sink so low just to win? No way, please don't lie about your support for Clinton all along sweetie pie!!!

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Patrick, Detroit, MI — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:07:00 GMT

Because inspiration doesn't put food on the table.A speech can't make jobs or fix the economy.

I have tried listening to Obama but all I get is a VERY long description of what hope means.I personaly don't look at politicians for inspiration or a role model.
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Thank you, that's all I was asking for.
A note isn't this what we're rallying for? People with different opinions and perspectives talking and not name caliing.

If you say you support Obama then ACT LIKE IT. Follow the example and stop with the "patty's a freak" or kenn blah,blah blah. I disagree with patty but I do see where she's coming from and sometimes that's the best to hope for.

I'm a uniter not a divider!

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NinaK — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:07:45 GMT

The redoing of primaries in Michigan and Flordia is a none issue. ALL the candidates, Michigan, and Florida AGREED to the rules a year and a half ago! The candidates PLEDGED TO ABIDE by those rules. A year and a half later, Hillary, Michigan, and Florida suddenly decide to cry foul. Why? Because Hillary is LOSING!! THAT IS THE ONLY REASON!! Hey, Hillary we all have to live by rules in this country. Why do you think YOU are EXEMPT?? Why didn't you cry foul when the rules were put in place?? Was it because you were perceived as the "INEVITABLE NOMINEE"? Now that you have lost the "INEVITABLE" crown, the rules should be lifted?? SHAME ON YOU, HILLARY CLINTON!!

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Ray, San diego — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:07:52 GMT

I am a democrat, but as usual, democrats must tear each other down to get ahead. we are suppose to be the party who would unite the country and so far Clinton and Obama are dividing the party. When Mccain wins we all lose and it will be our fault. If this goes to a broken convention, Hilary backers may choose not to vote if she loses and the blacks will turn their backs on the democrats if they feel Obama was robbed, especially if he leads in pledge delelegates.

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LB — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:09:47 GMT

Write MSNBC and ask them WHY they keep referring to Samantha Power as a Senior Obama advisor? She wasn't even paid!!!! send to letters@msnbc.com

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Bull the Dog — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:02:54 GMT

Chuck,
I am wondering if Mary long has already been added to your list of superdelegates?

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Mary Murphy — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:05:16 GMT

Hey First Read Journalists -
What gives? When are you all going to do your job and report that Obama won Texas. I see that you've reported the error yet again above that Hillary won the state when, IN FACT, OBAMA won Texas. I cannot believe that the media gets to get away with these unbelievable and almost purposefully seaming errors and then not even really make an effort to correct them. As a librarian who believes strongly that the citizens of this country deserve accurate, open, and spin-free informaiton from US journalists, I find this error completely inexcusable and frankly, unethical. Do the right thing and correct the record! OBAMA WINS TEXAS!

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dave — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:07:43 GMT

Sorry but the Clintons don't play by the rules when the doors get closed. Look at their history they never have...and get caught about a third of the time.

ugh

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sk, orlando, FL — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:11:19 GMT

people have spoken already in florida and michigan. if you want we will speak again.......no chance for obama. Hillary for President.

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NinaK — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:12:27 GMT

The superdelegates can solve the problem. They all need to move to Mr. Obama's corner and support/endorse him. Hillary has already lost this competition! She is now trying to claw her way into being the nominee....because "Ohio said it should be me". What about all the other states, don't we matter? Especially all of those who voted for Mr. Obama with WIDE MARGINS?

Come on, superdelegates, use your power to rid this country of Clintonism. You owe them NOTHING! Mr. Obama is in the lead in all aspects; please be brave and let's move out country FORWARD!!!

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SL, NJ — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:15:22 GMT

Obama should just give the delegates to her. It would save the DNC, and taxpayers of MI and FL millions, and he'd still have the lead in delegates.

A grand gesture that at the same time points out the futility of her request. It would also keep her from saying she "won." He could say it wasn't a contest, it was a gift.

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Jeff, Redlands CA — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:16:12 GMT

Nice going Patti from SD - I am glad that Obama does not have to resort to Gestapo tactics to win elections - after GW Bush for seven years, I have had enough with Politburo elections.

Obama '08

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Got Responsible? — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:18:17 GMT

This "discussion" boils down to one thing and one thing only. Clinton is the candidate of the looking for a handout, the rules don't apply to me, and I have no personal responsability crowd. Meanwhile, Obama is the candiadte of the given equal access to opportunity I will outwork everyone else and contribute greatly to the enrichment of our glorious country.

Seating delegates selected in violation of party rules is emblamatic of the greatest shortcommings of our country. So, is Clinton and her campaign.

New election of delegates is a rule driven previously agreed to remedy for the current situation. Given the opportunity to succeed, I have no doubt that Obama and his campaign will outwork the status quo candidate and increase his delegate lead. Have no fear!

Obama '08

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Gene — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:21:05 GMT

The intelligence of the Obama supporters is in question. Start with the DNC, they made the decision to not allow Florida to set their own date. The state legislature is solid red state republican. THe Democrats tried to amend the legislation, it was voted dowm, they pleaded to have it rejected, but the solid red state republicans refused and passed the legislation. THe RNC punished them by reducing their delegates 50% of their total. The Democrats of Florida, who had no control over the election date, lost all their delegates. The DNC has no right to punish the Florida voters. The Obama supporters should be ashamed, this is America, not Kenya, Florida votes should count, even if we have to have a new election. Michigan did not have this proplem and did disregard the rules, but if we Democrats really want to lose the election in the fall, we will not seat any delegates from Michigan and give the state to McCain. Obama supporters constantly harp that Hillary will destroy the Democratic party if we fail to elect her, but they would give the general election to the Republians just to have Obama the nominee. That is sad!

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kelly — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:21:17 GMT

MSNBC has odviously made a deal with the Clinton campaign for White House access in a Clinton win. MSNBC is George Bushe's FOX. Shuters and Mathews were used as tools to support a Hillary victim campaign.

For once just be honest...Let the people know GE has already been paid for allowing Obama supporter to tune into CNN for real coverage!

Keith, you are with the wrong network!

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Carly "Hussein," Iowa — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:21:47 GMT

Kim in Pasadena,

Your first post brought a tear to my eye. That's the spirit! Keep on fighting for what's right, people! We'll win with our faith, hope, and passion, by taking the high road, and by playing smart and fair.

Thanks for such a lovely, well-articulated post, Kim. I really appreciated reading that!

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CRS — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:25:25 GMT

Camps are talking of not dis-enfranchising Florida and Michigan voters. But in the same note when the math doesn't add up to total delegates required for nomination - these camps are trying to forget the pledged delegates and court super-delegates. Is this not dis-enfranchinsing the entire law-abiding country. Is it alright to change rules to tailor the results wished by candidates? In what way is it different from elections held by dictators or stuffing votes? Is it real American politics or dictatorship?

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Becca — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:26:57 GMT

Is this Clinton End Game?

From Newsweek article by Ms Clift:

"The two contested nominations of the modern era—Kennedy-Carter in '80 and Reagan-Ford in '76—offer clues as to what may lie ahead. In each case, the candidate with the most pledged delegates going into the convention won the nomination. Each then went on to lose the general election. Clinton backers point to the Reagan model. Governor Reagan stayed in the fight all the way to the convention. He had a hundred delegates fewer than Ford, roughly the same deficit Clinton has today. Reagan helped insure his party's defeat but nailed the nomination four years later."

What a Selfish Monster!

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Rob H., Seabrook, NH — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:27:51 GMT

Small note: Obama actually does better than Clinton in the large states that Clinton claims the Democrats need to prevail: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/the-clinton-big-state-m_b_90434.html

Or in other words, Clinton's claims that only she can win the White House are wrong. Indeed, Obama could decisively crush the Republicans and allow the party to finally cleanse itself of the Neocons and Reactionaries that seized control of it some twenty years ago and return to being a party of intelligence and reason. Let's end the Culture War.

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Ruon, Chi, IL — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:39:08 GMT

All of this is a process to take away the nomination from who has clearly won the vote of the people abroad. Personally, after seeing her fight with her back against the wall by using unethical tactics and an emotional broeakdown, I dont think she is fit to seat as the Commandor and Cheif of this country. Mr. Obama on the other hand seems to be a cool customer and from what I gather will not only unify and united this country, but a nation as he represents all the "average" American is about. His plight and fight is that of all people, color, religions and nationalities in this melting-pot of a country we live in. Change is always good, Change is what we need, Change is a constant and Change is what we as a country need. Change we can believe in.

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AT Phillips, Lansing, MI — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:40:50 GMT

As a Michigan resident, I wish we had run a legitimate primary in my state and I'm sure the citizens of Florida feel the same. But the bottom line is simply that both of our states conducted nothing more than the equivalent of political scrimmages. I'm quite sure that scrimmages don't result in seated delegates. Shame on us and shame on anyone who now wishes to seat delegates based on what has taken place so far.

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Vita V Detroit, MI — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:42:44 GMT

I am a Detroit Resident and I for one didn't ask the party leaders of the State of Michigan to move up the primary date. It is not my fault and I did go out and vote and it was not for hillary. Let me explain something to all the hillary suppoters if we have to have another election it will be different from the first. I promise you she will not win MI only 382,000 people voted that day and that is not even half of the residents of Detroit. So if she is smart like she says she is then she better leave well enough alone or she will be very disappointed at the end. To bad so Sad!

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venkat,sterling, va — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:43:11 GMT

There are lot of things wrong with Hillary Clinton. But the biggest reason Democrats should not vote for her is that she decided to continue in this race and hurth the party and Obama even though he had won 11 contests and had the delegate lead.
Even Mitt Romney was decent enough to withdraw. That is what you do in Primaries, the person with the momentum and clear lead is given the nomination so that there is no tearing down of each other like a General Election.