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jaycee, Ventura, California — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:20:50 GMT

Excuse me, but why exactly would it be Hillary’s turn? When did we decide that we have to complete the women’s rights movement before the civil rights movement? I must have missed the memo on that one.

The paleo-feminists like Gerry fail to realize that this campaign is about the future, not finding some symbolic closure to the past. Barack is running as an American, not the embodiment of all things African-American. He displays more of the positive character traits that are supposedly the province of women in this campaign than the woman candidate herself. My sisters have lost their way, and some are apparently losing their minds.

Hillary’s true weakness is that she can’t get past her own experience. The constant fear that she might appear soft because of gender clouds her thinking in areas of critical importance to the nation. It’s great that she has tried to push children’s issues in the Senate. That hardly offsets helping Bush and McCain drag us into a disaster in Iraq out of fear that she might someday be accused of being congenitally weak. If she can’t leave the past behind and make detached objective decisions when that three AM call comes in, she’s just isn’t ready for the office.

It may be that we have to wait for a woman of the next generation who knows without reservation that she is in fact equal. One who can express the best of those characteristics we generally think of as the strengths of women without fear of losing an election. One who doesn’t have all of Hillary’s experience. It may not be as long a wait as many fear. I’ll bet two years ago you couldn’t find many in the African-American community who could have believed that the main obstacle standing in the path of fulfilling their dream in 2009 would be a single graceless woman.

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Frank Medina Ohio — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:21:39 GMT

Obama/Biden: Experience the Change!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPev5sEdTjg

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Bill, Santa Fe — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:22:34 GMT

By playing the race card, Obama's supporters are sending a message to both his supporters and his detractors.

Obama supporters are in a frenzy attacking anyone that supports Clinton as out of touch "baby boomers". Isn't Obama a baby boomer?

Politics is a fight and so far Clinton keeps tagging Obama with punch after punch while Obama whines and cries. What he is getting hit with is compounded by the fact that the media has now been shamed (as they should be) into asking him tough questions that he tries to avoid answering.

If he is the nominee, he will get pummelled by the Republicans because so far Obama appears to be unable to take a punch or hit back. He can't close the deal.

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Pat Huntington NY — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:25:11 GMT

"Indeed, this latest NBC/WSJ poll shows that more voters think a candidate’s leadership style and trustworthiness (48%) is more important than ideas and policies (32%) when asked to pick between the two."

And that, my friends, is why this country is going to hell in a handbasket real fast!

Just amazes me...I thought voting by popularity contest stopped in High School...guess not. Guess the popular kid with no substance will always beat out the less popular but smarter and issue oriented kid.

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Lisa, New Britain, CT — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:28:25 GMT

I suspect the discord you see in the polls now (mid-March) between the state of the Country (bad) and whether McCain is electable versus Obama and Clinton is a function of the fact that McCain is already the nominee and Obama and Clinton are still fiercely duking it out. Had the reverse been true (the Dems had a nominee and there was a negative Rep. race going on), I suspect the poll numbers would be very different.

There is a lot of time, its still the Democrats game to lose (of course, if they don't pull it together, the Dems may well lose).

But Nov. is a way off.

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Embarrassed — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:30:24 GMT

As this keeps going the Democrats continue to lose ground on John McCain as he sits back getting himself healthy. This Primamry has become a gigantic joke. Instead of embracing the fact that they have the first woman and african-american, they are bashing eachother for reason that have nothing to do with the issues like The Economy, The War, Heath care, our standing in the world etc. And where are the so called Democratic leaders???? Has anyone seen Richardson, Biden, Edwards, Pelosi, Dean, Reed, Hoyer or anyone??? No !

They are all too busy hidding and doing a horrible job in The Congress as well as blowing their opportunity to get The White House. With everything Bush has done how could this happen???

Politics as usual and lack of leadership as usual for the democrats.

The democrats should be ashamed of themselves

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Jerry Tsai — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:31:51 GMT

Lots of food for thought-- thanks. Certainties? None. Snarky comments by Clinton trolls and Obamaniacs? Plenty.

Clinton trolls:
1) Obama has more legislative experience than Clinton: 4 years more.

2)Obama has passed 3 substantive bills in the U.S. Senate and many more in the Illinois Senate. Clinton has passed 0 substantive bills in the U.S. Senate.

Obamaniacs:
1) Clinton is not being "divisive". Her campaign is negative and lacks credibility, but how is she dividing? She needs everybody's vote, just like Obama.

2) Clinton is not race-baiting. Her campaign has been lazy on, maybe encouraging of, racially-charged remarks. Wake up. Last I saw, Senator Obama is still considered black by American society. We will never be able to tiptoe around his color. Ever. Yes, what Ferraro said was ridiculous and moronic in its grasp of history. Who the heck cares? The economy is in recession and a war is going on. We need Senator Obama's superior judgment on the job.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:32:37 GMT

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Lisa, New Britain, CT — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:35:31 GMT

Re. the style v. substance issue...

I completely agree with the final points of that paragraph. Clinton and Obama are very similar on the issues, nobody disputes that. She may have an edge in some Washington experience and her indepth knowledge on some issues. I readily give her that. But we don't necessarily elect or need President's with those strengths. Advisors can bridge the gap on both Washington experience and in-depth knowledge on topics and policy.

Why I think Obama is the better choice is exactly on style, character, visionary leadership, and how he works with people. He is a big picture thinker with extraordinary leadership skills. He has run an extremely competent campaign (as is evidenced by how far he's gotten with a sure steady hand). He is calm under fire. Also his learning curve has been truly outstanding (this is evidenced by many things as the article attests).

Character is important as lapses in character distract from governing...does anyone really need me to articulate all these as I make a personal vow NOT to try and go negative this morning.

I can't speak for all, but for me, the reason I focus on Hillary's tactics in this campaign is because that is a "tell" on how she is expected to lead. And I don't like that style of leadership (OK, I really do detest it, but that's as negative as I go) and that is in substance a large part of why I'm supporting Obama, who clearly shows evidence of being Presidential even as he runs for office.

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Obie, Burtrum, MN — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:36:38 GMT

Limbaugh effect

"assume this so-called 'Limbaugh effect' is nothing more than an urban myth."

Really?? How do you explain that 24% of Clinton's total vote in Mississippi was Republican? That was not the case earlier in South Carolina, Alabama, or Louisiana. You can't dismiss this glaring statistic merely by saying this was a southern state.

Come on, you guys can do better than that!!

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CraigB; Chincoteague, VA — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:38:30 GMT

Hillary has no substance for most people. Her inability to beat McCain, divisiveness, lies, and slander have rocked her forever. And that was prior to supporting a racist like Ferraro....who said the same statements about J.Jackson 20+ years ago. She cares not about the Democratic Party or the country...just herself.

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Michael — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:41:02 GMT

For those people who think Ferraro is racist. This is pastor wright recently. video speaks for itself. Maybe Hillary isn't all the evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbUBTlmAiA

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Boo-Kitty — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:42:23 GMT

I'd surmise that Obama supporters look more unfavorable on Clinton than the other way around because the Clinton's have conducted themselves in ways unimaginable than what I previously thought of them capable of. But then again, I guess you can say wasn't thinking straight at the time.

Black Women for Obama
Obama '08!

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ASSUME THE WORST — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:45:16 GMT

What everyone fails to mention, is that it doesn't matter who wins the primary. The assumption is that the democratic party would rally behind the nominee, and thus all would vote for their candidate. However, with Hillary determined to tear the party apart, if she were the nominee, McCain would certainly win.
Suzanne, Elkhorn, WI (Sent Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:09 PM)

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The Dem party is on life support and the repukes are in CCU!
Everyone rally round McWar and get this whole BS election in bed with the Military/Corporate warlords. We need a rest and no matter who is elected nothing will CHANGE! All is a big joke on the taxpayers and fodder for the media who pushes the propaganda of the day!

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Lisa, New Britain, CT — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:46:27 GMT

In terms of the "uniting the dems' segment...

I will say that this is where tactics are important (and I think they are important because they speak to both the character of the person and to how they will lead and govern).

Let's talk timing and when (at least) Obama supporters started to turn...I can speak for myself but I've seen and known others who feel similarly.

I feel like I am a pretty typical Dem. At the end of January, I could see supporting both voters as I turned to Obama as my choice. I felt positive that my state supported Obama on Feb. 5th. Me and my children went to his rally in Hartford (Feb. 4th) and I have to say I never felt so positive as a Democrat. At that point, clearly I still would have supported Clinton as the Democratic nominee.

However what happened between then and now (5-6 weeks, seems like a lifetime). It became clear that Clinton felt her back was against the wall. She choice to take the path she did. Even though they are so similar on the issues, the tactics showed differences in the two. I can point to negative campaigning, kitchen sink strategies, marginalizing so many of us in her talk of which states matter, changing various rules, inconsistent and sloppy campaign strategies by her staff, now this whole big racial/gender MESS. Obama, at that point, had to respond or risk being called not tough, not able or willing to engage. etc. I feel his response was necessary but measured.

I want to stay postitive, I am a democratic voters who is ALWAYS turned off by the negative and always factor that into my vote (who went negative first, who had to respond, how did they respond).

We had this kind of result in the Fifth Congressional District (my district) in CT last year. Look who sits in Congress today (for those who don't know, a young State Senator, Chris Murphy, in an upset, unseated a long-time Republican (and woman) Congressperson, Nancy Johnson. You can guess who I voted for...

I pledge to try and stay positive but I can't honestly say that tactics don't matter. They are close on the issues, tactics can tell a lot.

Obama 08

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:46:31 GMT

If the Democrats continues on this self-destrutive gender/race,he/said,she/said it's just giving the nomination to McCain because by August Americans will be sick of it. It's very possible that Democrats will pick-up bigger majority in congress and will continue this partisan politics as usual. Who loses? We the people who allow it. I AM DISGUSTED WITH POLITICS/POLITICIANS

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Stop the Madness — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:47:35 GMT

What the blacks are now seeing is 2 Democrat parties, 1 that just wants them to stay on welfare and be a voting block for them (thats the white elite dem) and the other, that can see a Black American leading a nation, or a city. We are now seeing the white elite democrat show his racial colors.Thought we had grown more than this..

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aba — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:47:47 GMT

You are undoubtedly wise in your skepticism about the "Limbaugh effect," but the exit poll data from Mississippi and Texas does raise questions, and I don't at all understand your logic with respect to "Southern tendencies." Why would Republican voters from states with such tendencies be voting in the Democratic primary? Even if they were, why would they, based on those tendencies, be more likely to cast a sincere vote for Clinton? Even if she is perceived as the more "conservative" between them (an arguable point at best), wouldn't the antipathy to all things Clintonian more than counter that perception?

Sorry if I'm missing something obvious here.

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:49:28 GMT

Polls here and polls there.....it gets very confusing. Suffice it to say that Obama will lead in pledged delegates and the popular vote after these primaries have concluded and is more electable against McCain the Hillary. There is nothing confusing about that! Let's move on, give Obama the nomination and gear up for a battle with McCain.

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Lisa, New Britain, CT — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:50:09 GMT

Fair enough on the Limbaugh effect, I'm content if someone can just (neutrally as possible please) keep an eye out because games-playing in primaries can certainly effect how decisions are made in the general.

I (as a non-Southerner, former West-Coaster now New Englander) can concede the point that I know nothing about Southern politics!

Obama 08

Obama 08

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John Doe — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:52:05 GMT

www.hillaryclinton.com Come and see why we are so excited.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:52:31 GMT

In November, it was 47%-40%; in January, it was 44%-41%, and now it’s 42%-45%. The reason? His support among African Americans and Obama voters has greatly eroded.

Kind of hard to be popular when you play the race card......

As Paul Miller said in here "kind of hard to be elected president when you have a negative 53 rating".

It’s also noteworthy that, according to the poll, Clinton’s and McCain’s top attributes among all voters are similar: being knowledgeable of the presidency, having strong leadership qualities, and being a good commander-in-chief.

You liberal media people just do not understand.....
Hillary was never in the armed forces, so how in the world could she have experience as commander in chief??????? John McCain was in the Navy, so he has the lead as wide as the Pacific Ocean in that department.

Is this why we are electing a President????
John McCain is not likeable?????
In that case Hillary Clinton should win by a country mile because everybody hates her guts.....

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HL Bowman, NY — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:52:34 GMT

Florida and Michigan will never have a re-vote. First, there are no "do-overs" in politics. There is no process or law that says how a state can request a re-vote, how it can conduct a re-vore, or how it can count a re-vote. Second, the number of lawsuits over any kind of suggested re-vote will take years to resolve. Even if a re-vote takes place, there will be lawsuits challenging the validity of the vote. The Democratic delegates from both Florida and Michigan will be excluded from the convention this year.

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Nj — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:53:54 GMT

Until The Dems leaders dennounce and reject Hill and her campaign this is going nowhere.

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TJK, Hunt Valley, MD — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:53:56 GMT

Your assumptions about the Limbaugh effect are just that, and nothing more. You ignored testimony from poll workers who witnessed voters clearly stating their intentions. There is much more evidence that the Limbaugh effect is real. Saying it doesn't exist is turning a blind eye to the truth. You must disprove it before calling it an urban myth. You failed miserably. Why don't you do some real investigating and prove it? Your opinion is your opinion, but don't expect anyone to take it for fact. Where else would the Limbaugh effect have any impact, other than in traditionally conservative strongholds? Where else are you going to find voters willing to commit fraud? Where were the last vestiges of Jim Crow laws? Finally, is "identity politics" a code word for racism/sexism?

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Dave, Tn — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:54:58 GMT

"Southern tendencies (yes, you Southern Ohio), meaning identity politics is more likely to trump everything else."

Well that's some typical lame Liberal thinking. If the dishonest corrupt worthless Clinton were leading the "The Limbaugh effect" would be pushing to vote for Obama. The whole idea is to keep the fight going. Nice try though.

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Dre Hubert, Las Vegas NV — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:55:20 GMT

Why anyone still believes what polls say is a mystery. Look at the polls of three months ago, and compare them to what has happened up until now. None of the polls were even close in predicting what the outcome of any elections would be.

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Rick,Ky — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:57:54 GMT

We are'nt Stupid here 1st Read. Republican's have their nominee. They also know that by voting for Hillary from here on out, it keep's Barack from starting a national campaign.

Bill Clinton's Negative rating's are of His own doing.

Voter's are paying attention to Leadership Quality's, that's why Barack does well. Hillary is too devisive, no doubt!

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Jon, seattle — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:58:03 GMT

so.... the fact that most of USA have already voted and one candidate have won 28 states, that cannot tell you anything but a sample of 1000-2000 people of the people in the united states says all.
look in front of you 28 million people voted and by a margin of 700,000 obama is leading over hillary. the liklyhood that Obama voters would have changed their mind is next to Zero because in order to vote for a guy named Barack Obama you realy need to believe in the candidate. so no i dont buy it and further more who are those people who think that he will be the better candidate against McCain and who yet will chose her over him, maybe they are doing this because it dont matter. The whole thing smell a bit like Denmark

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John - PA — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:58:54 GMT

Hillary can not beat McCain one on one when you compare their three top atributes - being knowledgeable of the presidency, having strong leadership qualities, and being a good commander-in-chief - McCain can win that fight. Obama can out flank McCain. Plus this election will be about the Economy! Even with the Republicans talking about Iraq. The White House will bring out threats against America on a more regular basis as the election becomes closer to continue to keep Iraq and threats in front of the voters mind. This is how Bush/Cheney will help McCain.

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Mark Anderson, Tampa,Florida — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:00:01 GMT

THE FLORIDA PRIMARY ELECTION REAL STORY : The primary election date decision to move up the date was made by the "Republican" Gov. Crist and "Republican" legeslator. They knew then full well that the DNC would not accept the results. However they went forward anyway.Now Gov.Crist is trying to fog the issue,that every vote should count and that some beaurcrate in Washington is stopping the process.Even though we "know" it was of his own making,and done for political advantage.For Gov. Crist wants to be the Republican Vice Presidential candidate ,and he helped McCain get the nominationby endorsing him and campaigning for him in Florida. We will have a new primary vote here in Florida and the Democratic Party of Florida will have to pay for it.We Floridians will not forget, how we were treated by the Republicans and we will be making Florida a "blue" state.

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Mary C — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:01:28 GMT

Clinton offers no style, no substance and no integrity. She hides tax returns, over exaggerates any experience, spouts off memorized data and calls it proof that she is ready to be commander-in-chief. I call her a sore-losing liar that is destroying the Democratic Party. I am a 50 year old white women and you haven't polled me. Don't put me in her category!

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iowan — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:03:46 GMT

Also, Bill Clinton holds fundraisers in New York

Who owns Hillary Clinton? Let's have a little disclosure here re the library, Kazakhstan, tax returns. Amassing a private fortune while attached to the public teat demands disclosure, particularly from a person who apparently now claims "35 years experience". Journalists, please get to work finding actual facts rather than playing your little "racist versus monster" namecalling games.

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New Wave — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:03:47 GMT

All these events point to the fact that Clinton is running McCain's campaign against the Democratic party.

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Starchild, Mo — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:04:36 GMT

I am so tired of the drama day in and day out...

Every damn Democrat need a good reality check. The nomination is wrapped up for the Republicans and now they are sitting back laughing at the Dems.

IN MS, 28% of Republicans voted for Clinton, to keep her in the race and we fight among each other.

I realize AGE DOES NOT PROMPT WISDOM and if there is nothing positive to SAY about moving this country forward, then SHUT UP!

Normally the Republicans are charged with racism, but this election it's the Democrats against other Dems.

Are you kidding me?

How do we the Dems want people to support us when we have a great turn out this year and are divided by race? Get over yourselves and stand up for what right for a change.

The old way of thinking to say something is reality that has offended people is ludacris. If you say age trumpets wisdom, act that way or go climb under a rock!

We talk about we hate genocide, we hate how the muslim world acts, we hate this or that or that country should ????? blah, blah, blah...Well aren't we a piece of work?

And Clinton needs to set a new bar in her campaign with these people who are killing her campaign.

These advocates are her friends, so she is reluctant to speak against them, but let me tell you Hillary get rid of them, if you do become President, they will come back. If not, these people have not been hearing the public who wants something new and are tired of the old way of doing business.

The government is a business and if you haven't figured it out by now, loyal friends with the best intentions are making you look absolutely crazy. Friends and business; don't mix. It's business, it's not personal...tell them and if don't like it, then tough! It started with Bill Clinton and has been out of control since.

Folks reality is homes, schools, education, healthcare, the war, etc...

NOTE AGAIN: 28% OF REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR CLINTON TO CONTINUE THE MADNESS, SO THE DEMS CAN TEAR EACH OTHER DOWN AND DIVIDE US BY RACE. TO SAY OBAMA GOT THE BLACK VOTE AND CLINTON GOT THE WHITE VOTE...WELL MISSISSIPPI IS AND WAS NOT THE ONLY CONTEST AND WE
the Dems need to wise up!

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demos — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:06:59 GMT

Chuck, check for yourself.
He went on the Ruch Limbaugh show the day before March 4, to lobby the votes. They will even see the devil to get votes, and the sad thing is that she denied it on national tv.
http://www.wbap.com/Article.asp?id=606119&spid=6051

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Russ, Connecticut — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:07:05 GMT

The point is that Republicans are voting for Hillary now, not because they like her, but because they want her to be the nominee in order to lose to McCain. Look at the numbers... That's not an urban legend, and its skewing the delegate totals in OH, TX and MS. That is an important news story, and goes to show why the Democratic superdelegates should step in now and end this.

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MK,MO — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:08:55 GMT

could someone please force hillary to drop out and go back to new york where she belongs, she's going to loose the election for the dems, all she can do from now on is be counter productive for the dems, for once she should do something for someone other than herself

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demos — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:11:25 GMT

Chuck,
Hilary Clinton comment about John McCain being qualified, Her being qualified and Obama giving a speech come straight out of the republican play book and in fact come out of your colleague "Joe Scarabrough" on Morning Joe. He is the one who suggested it and after he bashed Barack Obama on national TV she won, and she used the same comment.
The next day (March 5, 2008) when she was on the show she said that she will take him as the vice president.)

We know what is going on here, the Clinton's and the Media.Joe seems to keep putting the flame to slash Obama and we take notice.We the public cannot do much but consume and take notice.

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Robert — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:13:33 GMT

It's really time to change the tone or end it altogether. Divisive and offensive tactics are not worth it. The last two days were terrible.

Anyone who has influence should use it wisely before it is too late. That includes former President Clinton.

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Dr.Strangedog, MI — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:14:03 GMT

So there is a parallel between Clinton and McSame. Still personality favors Obama. I think that's the true reason for the RACE-BAIT '08! Obama honestly inspires people that Clinton or McSame would have to pay for.
Bring it down to the lowest common denominator. It seems each year we nash our teeth and wail, "Why does it have to be so negative?" YET WE SUPPORT/TUNE IN/ EVERY DIRTY TRICK IN THE BOOK.
You get what you put in.

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celestegip, Highland Park, NJ — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:14:49 GMT

I want to WARN everyone... VERY IMPORTANT!
PLEASE READ!!!!

I have caught wind that Republicans are writing on these blogs. They are intentionally becoming an Clinton supporter that hate Obama supporters and vice versa... They are changing there party to Democratic so they can vote in the upcoming primaries.

They have found a weak spot in this Democratic primary thus far. They see the opening to divide us... They have been the ones that have been feeding race and gender into our politics.

Clinton supporters & Obama supporters I urge you to unite! Let us not be against each other!!! Let us join forces and fight together to get out of the war in Iraq and make much needed changes in Iraq and at home!

Obama and Clinton differ so slightly on policy... This fight is mostly about personality. Also one difference is a top down mentality versus a bottom up. Either way they have good intentions.

Please I urge everyone: Obama and Clinton Supporters to unite with whoever is the Democratic Presidential Nominee.

Let's change the tone of this race TOGETHER. We can support our favorite nominee at this point. But let us do it in a less divisive manner. We can point out what we like about our choice, and try to say one good thing about the opponent.

I love America and I love what these two candidates see for our future.

Let us unite Clinton and Obama supporters and be a force the Republican candidate John McCain cannot reckon with...

I have been one of those supporters that bashes the other opponent. But i have seen what has done to me and to others. I have even said "oh if the opponent gets the nomination I will not vote for that person, I will stay home or vote for someone else"
Then I asked myself "what do I want for the next 8 years" It definitely was not McCain... and I am sure if Clinton and Obama supporters asked themselves that same question the answer would be similar.

Lets unite and do this together.
Thanks,
Celeste

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Ron, TX — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:15:18 GMT

It’s also noteworthy that, according to the poll, Clinton’s and McCain’s top attributes among all voters are similar: being knowledgeable of the presidency, having strong leadership qualities, and being a good commander-in-chief. Yet McCain has higher scores on these attributes than Clinton does. On the flip side, McCain’s strengths are Obama’s weaknesses and vice versa. McCain’s worst attributes -- being likeable, being inspirational and exciting, and bringing real change -- are among Obama’s top categories. His worst categories: commander-in-chief, positions on the issues, and knowledge of the presidency. Do Democrats go for a nominee that covers a flank against McCain? Or capitalizes on one?
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This is absolutely critical. Why on EARTH would you nominate someone to go up agaisnt McCain, when that person's only "strengths" are dwarfed by McCain's? Is experience REALLY Clinton's ONLY advantage over Obama? It seems that way, but it should be noted that Obama reigns supreme on actual judgment (what's experience worth if its experience making the wrong choices?). Is she doomed trying to claim an experience advantage over McCain? Absolutely.

The BEST way to confront McCain? Don't give him a mini-me candidate that he can easily trump on every point. Give him someone that can come in from the side for the knockout punch! Obama's obviously the answer. If we learned nothing else from Gore and Kerry, it's that personality matters more than experience.

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(John Doe — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:15:22 GMT

I think it's very troubling that msnbc will not show the video of Obama's (Pastor Wright) spewing racial slurs and hatred toward whites and the Clintons,at his church services.

The news media have a obligation to report all the news. Obama needs to be questioned on his Pastor's statements.

Obama was present when his Pastor made these hate filled and racial remarks.

When is the media going to question Obama on these things?

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unionsalt, ny — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:16:07 GMT

Just an observation on the "Limbaugh effect". Limbaugh does encourage his minions to vote for Hillary, HOWEVER Sean Hannity urges his followers to vote for Obama.

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Keith in PA — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:18:47 GMT

The timing of your poll means everything. You haven't told us when your poll was conducted. Was it after Clinton victories in TX and OH? Or was it after Obama victories in TX, Wyoming and Mississippi?

The results of the upcoming primary elections seem very predictable although there might be some surprises. The odds are heavily weighed towards Obama. The only person that can stop him is Obama.

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thats a fact jack — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:18:50 GMT

Yes bush and gop have driven America into the ground and America knows it and will respond by driving gop out of office for years to come.

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Rick, NC — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:19:04 GMT

Mccain is more of the McSame...more wars...more debt...more tax cuts...more deficits...more religious zealotry in our government...more pandering to the arabs...more pandering to right wing dictatorships...more criminals running our government departments...more profits for exxon and haliburton...more republican coke snorting gay telecharlatans...more more more

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Patrick, Indianapolis — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:19:23 GMT

hillary monster "George Wallace" clinton is a racist pig!!!

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Amy Andersen, Eden Prairie, MN — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:21:14 GMT

“Does this mean Obama voters have taken this campaign a lot more personally than Clinton's supporters? Or does this mean Obama's voters are more intensely loyal to their candidate than Clinton's?”

Sure, Obama supporters take it personally. Why not? The Clinton campaign (with more than a little help from the media) MADE it personal. Obama’s supporters have watched him respond to negative attacks with grace and with dignity almost every day. If what has happened in this campaign has made Obama’s supporters are more loyal than Clinton’s, she has only herself to blame.

Obama 08

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san francisco ca — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:21:34 GMT

When race comes in play in anything, the politicians of american can not go and preach democaracy to any other countries. When you have white people not voting for someone because he is black and you have politicians supporting those statements, it does make me ashamed to be american. the people in power are constantly talking about giving freedom to everyone, but look whats happening today. Clinton says she is ready from day one, how can she be ready from day one when she can not even admit the misstakes her staff and supporters are constantly bringing race into the mix. It is the blacks now, who next, the mexician, then the chinese, the american indians (the list goes on and on). The world is looking at her. If you can't bring the american people (I mean all people, black, white, hispanic, asian, american indian, etc) together, how can she work with the rest of the world.

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Natalie — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:23:24 GMT

I WANT KEITH OLBERMAN FIRED!!!!!!! I'M ABSOLUTELY SICK OF IT BEING AN OPINION SHOW...HOW CAN THIS BE ABOUT THE BEST POLITICS ON TV WHEN ITS ALL OPINION!! IF I WANTED TO WATCH THAT KIND OF BIASED BS I WOULD WATCH FOX!!

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Elizabeth Trout, Washington, DC — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:28:14 GMT

AMERICA, please remember the world is watching this election very closely. Would you want your neighbors, let alone your community to hear and see those things you are not proud of that go on in your home? It is the same thing, when we night after night fan the flames of negative, bias and racially charged reporting!
We can not lead,but by example! We can not go into other countries preaching Democracy, when the world can see clearly that we don't practice (without bias) what we preach, often enough...which is what the Demoractic party is shamefully demonstrating...and I am a Democract.

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William, Birmingham, alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:28:41 GMT

Why aren't you blogging about the Washington Post story showing Hillary Clinton picking up 1 more delegate in NY and 4 more delegates in Colorado? You post every single delegate pick up by Obama. How about some fairness here. With these pick ups in Colorado and NY she has completely obliterated any advantage Obama got from Mississippi. We are back to post Texas primary.

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Rod.De' — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:29:37 GMT

Get Colin Powell to change parties and veep for Obama, case closed......

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CitizenJ — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:29:45 GMT

I wonder how long it will take Jaycee Venture, Ca. to cut and paste his daily Pravda-like dietribe.

Message to the super delegates; If he can't win at least one of these states...NY, Tx, Ca, Pa....then he probably can't win the general election.

Yes HILLARY can!

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY (Sent Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:32 AM)

Although she becomes more of one each day, Clinton is not a Republican. So you can't say Obama wouldn't win California or New York, etc. in a general election just because he didn't win them in a Democratic primary.

Your rudimentary analysis is best saved for Clinton's website. Or a high school classroom.

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Nicholas: Minnesota — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:30:50 GMT

*** Legacy watch:
--Funny this was mentioned. I was just pondering how the kitchen sink strategy and prodding the racial fires would affect the Clinton legacy. Is the election worth that to the Clintons?

"The percentage of respondents who correctly identified Obama as a Christian increased from 18% to 37%."
--I suppose that Clinton's sidestep to answering this question helped. So, in a way, Mr. Obama should be thanking her.

*** The Limbaugh effect:
--I refuse to believe that Mr. Limbaugh has that much power, but 25% (R) for Clinton in Mississippi ... I suppose it's one more example of how little so-called conservative values matter to Republicans.
--It also goes to demonstrate one more thing. The Republican is held hostage by the radio talk scene, whereas the liberal blogs (DailyKos/MoveOn) are nowhere near as powerful. The opposite of what has been pushed by our current President.

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Elrod — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:31:18 GMT

Just curious, but are "Southern tendencies" of GOP voters in OH, TX and MS synonymous with "racist white trash?" Seems to be a euphemism here.

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Enrique, Chicago — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:33:02 GMT

The moment Hillary Clinton praised John McCain for his foreign policy experience and slammed Barack Obama for his, this Democrat and his large Hispanic family decided that we won't be voting for Hillary if her name is on the ballot in November.

It's clear that Hillary is in this race entirely for herself. The Democrats have the best opportunity in years to win the White House and gain more seats in Congress. Hillary is hell bent on destroying those chances.

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Joe — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:34:04 GMT

Democratic lawmakers are becoming persuaded that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) would have a more positive impact on other Democrats on the November ballot than Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).
Obama’s advantage over Clinton would be most pronounced in the Southern and Western states President Bush carried in 2000 and 2004, say lawmakers interviewed by The Hill. In total, 32 members of Congress from these “red states” have endorsed Obama. Twenty-two lawmakers from those states have backed Clinton.

A Southern House Democrat who faces a difficult reelection this year said Obama “has the potential to bring more folks to the polls and swell the ranks of Democrats.” The lawmaker, who has not endorsed either candidate, declined to speak on the record because Clinton may become the nominee.
Lawmakers have begun looking more closely at how the nominee may affect their own reelections or influence races in their states. Sensing this, Obama supporters have pushed their colleagues to consider how Obama and Clinton would impact Democratic candidates in November.
“I’ve had quiet conversations with a number of members,” said Rep. Rick Boucher (D-Va.), who has endorsed Obama. “I don’t think there’s any doubt about it, Obama would be more helpful to House candidates virtually everywhere.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/eyeing-obama-coattails-2008-03-12.html

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:34:59 GMT

The Clinton Race-Baiting continues..

Is it a campaign strategy ?

'...Geraldine Ferraro, stepped down from the campaign after making comments that some considered racially divisive...'

Whatever it takes for Billary to steal the nomination

"Blacks aren't going to sit back while the winning candidate is told to sit at the back of the bus,"

From the LA Times:

'... Race returns to fore in Democratic contest

March 13, 2008

WASHINGTON -- Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton insisted this week that the Democratic primary should turn on substantive issues, such as healthcare and energy. But despite their stated hopes, an especially sensitive subject keeps pushing itself into the campaign: the role of race.

In the latest sign of a racial rift in the contest, two prominent black pastors warned Wednesday that African American voters could become so discouraged by the campaign that they might stay home in November if Clinton is the nominee.

"This is a virtual race war, politically," said the Rev. Eugene Rivers of the Azusa Christian Community church in Boston, one of the country's leading Pentecostal ministers.

In the close contest between two popular candidates, strong emotions are often spurred by nuance and competing interpretations of comments and events. Rivers said black voters were especially offended by Clinton's suggestion this week that Obama could join her on the ticket as her running mate.

"Blacks aren't going to sit back while the winning candidate is told to sit at the back of the bus," he said, adding that the Democratic Party and Clinton risk handing the election to the presumptive Republican nominee, John McCain.

Bishop Charles E. Blake of Los Angeles, as leader of the Church of God in Christ, which claims 6 million members nationwide and abroad, presides over one of the largest Christian denominations in the country. He said in an interview that black voters could come to feel so disheartened that "their whole motivation for participating in the political process in this election would be greatly reduced."

The pastors' comments came during a week in which racial issues have retaken a central role in the campaign. Obama's 24-point victory Tuesday in the Mississippi primary highlighted the party's racial rift, with the Illinois senator winning 90% of black voters and Clinton winning 70% of white voters.

On Wednesday, a high-profile Clinton supporter, former Democratic vice presidential nominee Geraldine Ferraro, stepped down from the campaign after making comments that some considered racially divisive.

Ferraro had said that Obama's standing in the presidential race was due in part to his race. "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," she told the Daily Breeze newspaper in Torrance.

Both Clinton and Obama tried this week to turn the discussion away from race.

The New York senator was quoted by the Associated Press as saying that she repudiated and regretted Ferraro's comment that Obama would not have advanced so far if he were white. In the contest for the nomination, Clinton said, "we ought to keep this on the issues."

Likewise, Obama said Wednesday that discussions of race and gender were counterproductive. "I don't think identity politics has served the Democratic Party well," he said.

He called it "an enormous distraction" from such issues as healthcare, jobs and the national debt.

But the candidates acknowledged that a campaign pitting the would-be first female president against the would-be first black president was destined to touch delicate nerves in a party built in part on coalitions of blacks and women.

Obama complained Wednesday that at times Clinton has invoked race in ways that are subtle.

"I do think that the Clinton campaign has talked more during the course of the last few months about what groups are supporting her and what groups are supporting me, and trying to make the case that the reason she should be the nominee is there are a set of voters that Obama might not get," he said. "That seems to track certain racial demographics. And I disagree with that."

His comment came on a day that Clinton released a demographic-oriented memo, citing Obama's loss of support among men, women, independents and Republicans between the voting a few weeks ago in Virginia, Maryland and Wisconsin and the contests more recently in Ohio, Texas and Mississippi.

There was no mention of race in the memo. But much of Obama's success in those earlier states listed in the memo had been attributed to his progress in winning white voters. Also, though the Clinton memo did cite Obama's lackluster performance in Ohio, it did not mention one glaring exit poll result from that state: Of the 20% of voters who said race was important in their decision, nearly 60% voted for Clinton.

On Wednesday, Obama suggested that his ability to win white support was now unfairly in question -- just as his ability to win black support had once been in doubt long before he overwhelmingly won the heavily black South Carolina primary in January.

"We keep on thinking we've dispelled this, and it keeps on getting raised once again," he said. "This was raised after South Carolina, and then we won in a host of states, and then people say, 'Well, he hasn't proven he can win the white blue-collar vote.' And, we won that in Virginia and we won it in Wisconsin. And, in each state we seem to have prove this stuff all over again."

Race has been ever-present from the start of the campaign, particularly since Obama's dramatic victory in the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3. The backing he won from voters in the overwhelmingly white state translated into broader support from African Americans who now believe that Obama has a legitimate chance to win.

Even Blake, the bishop of the Church of God in Christ, said he was a late convert to Obama's team because he initially thought the candidate's race would make him unelectable. Now he has invited Obama, along with Clinton and McCain, to attend an event next month commemorating the 40th anniversary of the assassination of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. -- a summit of religious leaders meeting to lay out an aggressive black-focused agenda for U.S. policies domestically and in Africa.

Tensions erupted before the South Carolina primary when Clinton's husband, former President Clinton, drew parallels between Obama's candidacy and that of the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who ran for president in 1984 and 1988. Critics said the Clintons were trying to cast Obama's appeal narrowly, characterizing him as a black candidate.

But the finger-pointing has gone both ways. Clinton in January cited an Obama campaign document to show that her rival was encouraging the media to focus on race -- forcing Obama to blame the strategy on "overzealous" staffers.

And some members of the Congressional Black Caucus who are backing Clinton -- and who are under pressure to switch their loyalties -- have complained that Obama supporters are targeting them because of their race.

One prominent lawmaker who switched to Obama's side after coming under that pressure was Rep. John Lewis of Georgia, a veteran of the civil rights movement.

One of the black Clinton backers in Congress, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II of Missouri, said in a recent interview that he feared a "backlash" if whites see African Americans pressuring one another to vote based on race.

"If conservative Democrats and conservative Republicans and independents start saying, 'Well, all these black people are being beaten up because they won't support Barack Obama because he's black,' " Cleaver said, " 'maybe we ought to support a candidate because he's white.' I mean what's the difference?"

peter.wallsten@latimes.com

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RENEA,PLYMOUTH,MI — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:35:15 GMT

DO YOU EVER WONDER THE MESSAGE FOR HILLARY CLINTON KEEPS ON CHANGING? IT IS NOT BECAUSE HILLARY IS STUPID. MARK PENN WHO MAKES 4.3 DOLLARS TO TAKE INSIDE POLLS IS TARGETING THE FEARS WITHIN EVERY GROUP IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.OLDER PEOPLE OBAMA IS A DRUG HEAD.LATINOS OBAMA WILL TAKE CARE BLACK PEOPLE.HE WILL NOT TAKE CARE OF YOU.JEWISH PEOPLE OBAMA IS A MUSLIM.WOMEN OBAMA IS A BLACK MAN PICKING ON A WHITE WOMEN.MIDDLE CLASS WHITES OBAMA WILL BE A WEAK COMMANDER-IN-CHEIF.OBAMA WILL NOT PROPERLY PROTECT YOU.THE CLINTONS KNOW THEY WILL NOT WIN THE WHITE HOUSE THIS TIME OUT BUT ARE MAKING DAM SURE THAT OBAMA DOES NOT BY PLAYING THE FEAR CARD WITHIN EVERY GROUP OF THIS PARTY.HILLARY WILL THEN TURN AROUND AND SAY SHAME ON YOU DEMOCRATICS FOR VOTING FOR OBAMA BUT IT WILL BE OK I WILL RUN IN 2012 AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY TO VOTE FOR ME!

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Starchild, Mo — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:36:08 GMT

Michael (Sent Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:41 AM)

Michael, what a pastor says has no bearing on the person him/ herself. I don't agree with many things my pastor says, but I attend. Some days I leave church thinking...what? and I can't believe he said that, but I am glad I can think for myself.

WHAT??? Some pastor's are living in mansions, have jets, driving Bentley's, Mercedes, etc., while the members are barely making it...don't get me started.

Pastors all over the place are controversial, instead of Obama's pastor, what about Pastor Hagee for MCCain?

Remember in the Fall it will be: Dems v Rep, but we want the best leader to lead our country for ALL, the pastor is not running and his opinions does not matter to me; so can it with that. Pastors are not God and they are human, but they have many faults as we do.

We are Dems and pastor's comments...who cares...IT DOESN'T MATTER.

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Birmingham, Alabama — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:39:18 GMT

It's Obama. You can't have any negative stories about him. You'll be called a racist.

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Charles — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:42:45 GMT

Another SD for Obama;;

Gubernatorial candidate Beverly Perdue, who last month was remaining neutral on the presidential race, announced Wednesday she is supporting Sen. Barack Obama.

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:44:40 GMT

Hillary DIDN'T win California by 10%
She only won by 8%

'...the party’s unofficial count is 203-167...'
NOT 204-161 delegates

From the WSJ:

'...March 10, 2008, 4:43 pm

Obama’s California Comeback

A little-noticed shift in the tally of California’s Democratic delegates may affect the primary between Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton as much as the heavily hyped results last Tuesday in Ohio, Texas, Vermont and Rhode Island.

Sen. Clinton won primaries in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island, while Sen. Obama won the Vermont primary and appears likely to win the Texas caucus. For the day, Sen. Clinton is likely to trim fewer than 10 delegates from Sen. Obama’s lead in the race for the Democratic nomination, which by most counts stands at about 100 delegates.

But Sen. Obama may make up all that lost ground in the media counts that are the closest this race has to an official scoreboard. A California politics blogger has argued that Sen. Clinton won 36 more pledged delegates in the state than Sen. Obama, rather than the 44-delegate margin that has long been included in the news organizations’ tallies. A spokesman for the state party confirms the blogger’s numbers.

The shift, if validated once the state certifies its election results this week and the party chooses its delegates, is a reminder that the commonly reported delegate totals are mere estimates, subject to change as states finalize election results. It also highlights how a blogger with intense focus on the numbers may be faster than the established delegate counters.

David Dayden Dayen*, who blogs at the site Calitics and serves on its editorial board, wrote last week that Sen. Clinton won 203 of the state’s 370 pledged delegates — and not the commonly reported total of 207. He relied on updated vote totals from the state, based on late counts of absentee and provisional ballots. Later, when he noticed that several major news organizations still were showing Sen. Clinton with 207 delegates, he wrote a follow-up post explaining his calculation and exhorting, “I know math is hard and everything, but get out your calculators, people.”

It’s hard to explain the difference because most news organizations don’t provide a breakdown of projected delegates, district by district. Some of the discrepancies may arise from the peculiar math of congressional districts. For instance, in the 16th district, Sen. Clinton received 50,056 votes; she needed about 58 more votes to get three of the district’s four delegates, but instead she split them evenly with Sen. Obama. In the 53rd district, which has five delegates, Sen. Clinton received a small plurality of the early returns, but has fallen behind, which swings that fifth delegate to Sen. Obama.

The statewide vote matters, too. On primary night, it appeared Sen. Clinton won the state by 10 percentage points. Now she’s up by 8.7 percentage points. That means she gets an 11-margin win among delegates apportioned on the basis of the statewide vote, rather than a 13-margin win.

There won’t be an official delegate total until California certifies its results and the state Democratic party chooses delegates, Bob Mulholland, advisor to the California Democratic Party, told me. But he confirmed that the party’s unofficial count is 203-167. “It’s been this way for a couple of weeks,” he said. The earlier counts, he said, were based on preliminary results, before all of the ballots had been counted. Mr. Mulholland estimates that more than one in four ballots weren’t counted on primary day: “We’re a big state. We have lots of ballots.”

On Monday, some news organizations were updating their totals. Earlier in the day, CNN showed Sen. Clinton up 204-161, with five delegates unallocated. A spokeswoman told me the site was waiting for California to certify its results before updating, but by this afternoon, the site’s California results page was in line with Mr. Dayden’s Dayen’s* 203-167 margin. The New York Times’s page for California results shows the 207-163 result, but a page listing delegate totals for each state showed the 203-167 margin. NBC and CBS still showed the 207-163 margin. An inquiry to New York Times polling editor Janet Elder wasn’t returned. An NBC spokesman told me, “Apparently, there are discrepancies between the state count and the individual county tallies.” Kathy Frankovic, director of surveys for CBS News, told me, “delegate allocation is a work in progress.” (UPDATE: Ms. Frankovic told me later Monday that CBS would update its totals to reflect the 203-167 margin. “Thanks for alerting us to the problem,” she said.)

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Elizabeth Trout, Washington, DC — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:44:56 GMT

Please, I beg this wonderful country America, to take advantage of this great "opportunity" to shine and show the rest of the world that She practices what She preaches!
We are NOT the UGLY AMERICAN...unless we CHOOSE to be!

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Roland Madore, Fort Collins, CO — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:46:12 GMT

The Democratic Party Establishment is caving!

The Democratic Party Establishment is handing this election to the Republicans! We no longer need to blame President Bush or the conspiratorial Republicans and spineless Democrats in Congress for the bloodletting going on out there. We can now also blame the Democratic Party Establishment!

Even though this next presidential race is not primarily about race or gender—because it’s about the little people getting screwed by the wealthy people—the People are not about to let Senator Clinton steal the nomination away from Senator Obama either! Keep in mind the Clintons not only believed the presidency was owed them, they also believed she’d be the nominee right after Super-Tuesday. So, now their selfish, game plan is to bring Obama down by ANY means, including playing the race card then the victim card, and then blame it all on Barack Obama.

If her “kitchen sink” strategy of fracturing any chance for party unity is allowed to continue much longer, Republicans are sure to be the beneficiaries. Where oh where are you, Senator Edwards, Governor Richardson, Speaker Pelosi, and Governor Dean? If you’re working behind the scenes, it sure as hell isn’t working.

Republicans would much rather run against Senator Clinton than Senator Obama, and I know why. She’s not only helping them, she’s so much like them. Rush Limbaugh said as much today. He also said, “Obama is being bloodied by Clinton.” Many Democrats—though not despising the Clintons—at least reject them and, like me, don’t especially like them anymore. Offering more of the same, the Clintons want us to continue to be very afraid. In their efforts, they’ve picked up the Republican playbook and are running with it. The fight has become so ugly because Senator Clinton cannot accept the notion that a majority of Americans want real change and believe only Barack Obama can deliver.

“The end justifies the means.” Is the ultimate goal to win the presidency by any means, Senator Clinton? Many Democrats thought this Machevellian philosophy was Republican playbook strategy. Were we wrong? This country is ready for leaders we can really trust. You are not telling the truth, Senator Clinton. And though your deceit comes dressed, packaged, and presented as if it were the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, the educated People are not fooled. You are a highly talented, manipulating, hypocritical politician. We, the People want a real leader!

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:46:29 GMT

celestegip, Highland Park, NJ (Sent Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:14 AM):

celestgip:

In order for people to unite behind a Dem candidate Hillary has to do one of two things. Get out of the race and support Obama because she cannot catch Obama in pledged delegates or the popular vote. Or if she continues on with the campaign to get out of the gutter and start behaving herself and not tearing Obama and the Dem party down. The people can unite but it is up to Hillary to allow for people to unite. The ball is in her court.

Read our lips (you too superdelegates). If Obama ends this race with the majority of pledged delegates and/or the bigger popular vote and Hilllary somehow steals this nomination you can forget uniting. Thousands of delegates will walk out of the Dem convention and tens of thousands of people will turn against the Dem party.

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Sharon Stone (not of basic instinct) — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:47:10 GMT

Boo-Kitty, no surprise. Over 90% of blacks are for Obama. But not just because he is black.

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mad in Madtown — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:49:29 GMT

Obama/Biden: Experience the Change!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPev5sEdTjg

Thank you Frank, Medina, OH! To me, this would be the dream ticket. Obama/Biden - Biden/Obama Either way. Let's hope Hillary dries up and blows away. Instead of uniting the Democrats, she's tearing the party apart. After 8 years of criminals in the White House, let's unite for real change, Democrats!

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Regina, NJ — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:49:32 GMT

You talk of the "The Limbaugh effect" for HRC but nobody talks of the same thing happening in the beginning in the "Red States" with Republicans crossing over to vote for Obama to eliminate HRC.

Republicans have been screwing arround with the Democratic Primaries and Cacuses since day one.

I, for one wish no crossover voting was allowed. Shouldn't Democrates be the one nominating a Democratic Nominee?

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Renee, Atlanta, GA — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:51:47 GMT

TO: J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY

"Message to the super delegates; If he can't win at least one of these states...NY, Tx, Ca, Pa....then he probably can't win the general election."

Guess what? Just because Clinton won them in the primary ( a contest between two Democrats, with no Republicans in the contest) does NOT necessarily indicate she would win the in the General. By the same token, Obama's losing these states in the primary does not necessarily indicate he would lose them in the General. Look at the states Bill Clinton won: in the General election he picked up states he lost in the primaries, and actually lost some of the states he had won. He still went on to win two terms as President.

Your argument is not solid, especially given the history of CA & NY, states which are historically BLUE. They will probably go to either Democratic nominee regardless.

OBAMA '08!

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:52:05 GMT

'... Legacy watch: Bill Clinton’s legacy has taken a real hit in the last year. In March 2007, his fav/unfav was 49%-35%. Now it’s a net negative: 42%-45%. His numbers have gradually gotten worse as the campaign has gone on...'

Slick Willie was a MEDIOCRE President who was IMPEACHED
He DESERVED IMPEACHMENT !

Slick Willie sold out the American people with NAFTA and WTO

All those corporations he sold us out to are now contributors to his 'Presidential' Library

Slick Willie was corrupt and incompetent
He was a DISGRACE to the Democratic party

He makes eliot Spitzer look like a piker
What just ONE WOMAN ?

Slick Willie had more black women than Barack Obama according to Andrew Young....

Was that before or AFTER he married Hillary ?

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Blake, Denver, CO — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:53:02 GMT

"Until there's an actual swing of Republicans voting for Clinton in a state without culturally Southern tendencies, then assume this so-called "Limbaugh effect" is nothing more than an urban myth."

My mother taught me to never assume anything. There was an actual swing of Republican votes for Clinton, don't ignore that fact just b/c your scared you might find out that Mississippi Republicans are racists. I don't look at it that way, the Limbaugh effect clearly did work. Republicans didn't vote for Clinton with racially driven motives, they did it with tactically driven motives. It happens in southern states because those states hold conservatives that actually listen to that douchebag. I believe this happened in Texas too but because the GOP wasn't officially wrapped up, I think the Limbaugh effect couldn't take full effect there. The more you ignore this, the more potent it becomes. Florida Repub.'s can't switch over for their primary can they??

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Shtuey — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:53:34 GMT

So Clinton leads on all areas of policy over Obama, but he's leading in the popular vote. Why not tell the American people what this really means Chuck, et al: the American electorate may be stupid beyond hope.

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who's rattling me now? — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:55:01 GMT

Hillary has really made me second guess being a Dem these days.... if not for Obama, I think I would have sailed to the other side by now, or just not voted at all. The nasty political stunts her campaign has been throwing to us in the public is down right un-inspiring. I actually am starting to feel as if someone is trying to beat up my spirit for this election, will be so glad once Obama is declared the nominee and we can go back to a kinder gentler race. It will be Obama and McCain and they both have class to keep it real and clean... THANK GOD!

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Barbara C., - Fort Lauderdale, FL — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:55:19 GMT

The very sentence that stood out in your entire, and well-informed poll numbers was about Al Gore and John Kerry who in 2000 & 2004, and like Hillary, were so much more versed and knowledgeable in the general election debates. We all know how far that got the Democrats. McCain -- if he wins, it will be because as some of these very poltitical sites pointed out, has some liberal issues and that appeals to a lot of voters who, are not liking this long, protracted, Democratic Primary fight.

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Jmp, Northern MN — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:56:12 GMT

*** " The Limbaugh effect: Want more proof that the liberal blogosphere has turned into a big-time ally for the Obama campaign? "
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It is one thing to deny the credibility of this theory...but to say that it is "proof that the liberal blogosphere" loves Obama????? Really?? I can't believe you just 'reported' such a pro-Clinton bias.

Secondly, although Obama has been reaching many independents and 'cross-over' voters, there has been no evidence of that happening for Hillary...but all of a sudden, in Ohio, Texas, and Mississippi she has a large voting block of republicans that are 'crossing over' to vote for her. Now,hmmmmm...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The "Limbaugh" effect would be easy enough to discern in all future states. Just have exit pollers ask if they're planning on voting for the same candidate in November.
...Or do you already have that number? (I thought the Ohio stats already pointed this out.)
...Then, do share!!
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sotiredofignorance — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:56:55 GMT

Who has the gravitas in the Democratic Party to sit the Clintons down and draw a line in the sand? It had better be done soon.

Senator Clinton's wide eyed belief in herself belies her history. The Universal Health Care law that she made herself the sole driving force behind was a debacle. This idea that she is putting forth that she was more the President then her husband was is laughable by anyone of any intelligence.

It is time for the leadership of the Democratic party to step in. Who will take the lead?

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Obama won Texas, Plano, TX — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:57:17 GMT

J. Merle Stanley: He DID win Texas

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Renee Hussein, Atlanta, GA — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:57:22 GMT

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a Cincinnati — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:59:08 GMT

Concerning the Limbaugh effect---
The newscaster on the evening news (WCPO) in Cincinnati commented on the fact that precincts ran out of ballots because Republican voters had crossed over because they thought one candidate would be easier to defeat (Hillary) and they wanted to keep the race going. An urban legend, yeah right!

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:00:51 GMT

'...Does this mean Obama voters have taken this campaign a lot more personally than Clinton's supporters? Or does this mean Obama's voters are more intensely loyal to their candidate than Clinton's?....'

No, it means that Billary has used dishonest and divisive tactics.
It means that Billary has repeatedly 'race-baited' Obama.

Hillary's cmapaign workers were caught sending 'Muslim' emails to smear Obama
Bob Kerry and B Shaheen smeared Obama prior to New Hampshire
Slick Willie tried to categorized Obama as a 'black candidate' prior to South Carolina
Bob Johnson smeared Obama

Hillary has LIED about Obama''s record
Hillary said Obama wasn't qualified for CinC

Maybe THAT'S why Obama supporters don't like Billary

THROW THE BUMS OUT !

DON'T BRING THE CROOKED BUMS BACK !!

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ep-ny — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:01:19 GMT

Obama brought in race to this. Can you sit there and tell me it was in Clintons favor to do that. The record shows Both Clintons have spent there lives helping all races and this Obama comes in and turns it around. Blacks want to believe in him so bad(I understand that too)they will turn away from all they know about these people .Hillary said she understood.Obama did it again Ferraro is about the most not racist person but you can take anyones words twist them and whine race.Obama did that and did it again. It does not help Hillary at all.It is a double for Obama. People feel sorry for me they are callin names.gather around me cause its us against them. I heard his wife use almost those words.shame if you dont back my husband.To have someone curse your lifes work as Hillary has had done to her isnt a help for her trust me.I think People better wise up before its to late.
I think Obama had to run this time when he said he wouldnt.Thats getting to be th enorm too.He thought oh a woman i can run over her. I will have the menfolk and use race I am a shoo in.Well I am a woman and proud to stand by Hillary too.Obama has really messed this all up. I resent him takeing race back decades.He was living a fine white life while we were working to bring equality here and he comes in and throws it all out for his own greed. I am offended and I am white.

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MK,MO — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:01:42 GMT

it is evident that obama can bring everyone together, all clinton brings together is the geriatric feminazis from the sixties and the segment of the white population that are afraid to vote for someone who is black, the superdeligates and leaders of the democratic party best force hillary out or all will be lost

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WILLIS — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:02:00 GMT

HOW DID HILLARY AND JOHN MCCAIN BECOME SO KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT LEADERSHIP AND THE PRESIDENCY?

JOHN MCCAIN HAS NEVER BEEN PRESIDENT AND IS A WAR HERO WHO SPENT SEVERAL YEARS AS A PRISONER OF WAR. HE WAS NOT A HIGH RANKING MILITARY SOLDIER WHO LEAD MEN -- SO HOW DOES THAT ENTITLE HIM TO BE A GOOD LEADER? HOW DOES THAT ENTITLE HIM TO BE PRESIDENT - HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT ECONOMICS, PROTOCOL, ETC?

HILLARY HAS SLEPT WITH THE PRESIDENT -- DOES THAT ENTITLE HER TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PRESIDENCY? MONICA LEWINSKY PROBABLY HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE THAT HILLARY. HILLARY WAS ALWAYS TALKING RATHER THAN LISTENING TO BILL -- MONICA WAS ALWAYS LISTENING RATHER THAN TALKING TO BILL!

LOOK AT HOW HILLARY HAS RUN HER CAMPAIGN -- DISORGANIZATION AND MIS-MANAGEMENT OF FUNDS, FIRINGS, ETC.

THE NEWS MEDIA TENDS TO BLOW THINGS OUT OF PROPORTION BECAUSE HILLARY IS NOW THE "FAIR HAIRED CHILD" TO THE MEDIA SINCE SNL!!

SINCE WHEN DO WE SELECT A PRESIDENT BASED ON A SKIT FROM SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE?!!!

TRICKERY IS EVERYWHERE -- DON'T GET PUNKED!

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lola luther, silver spring, maryland — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:03:39 GMT

So, regarding Limbaugh, what about this, from the 3/11 Village Voice. You really didn't think all those Republicans voting for Obama were voting for him because they liked him, did you?
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0811,374100,374100,2.html

"Right-leaning pundits for months now have very openly not just called for Hillary Clinton's head, but also coddled and promoted Barack Obama, salivating over the prospect of facing him in November. Meanwhile, voters have been echoing that program: Barack Obama has been beating Hillary Clinton in part because Republicans are helping him."

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Larry M, Calgary, AB — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:04:39 GMT

This whole argument about experience and style is moot. There is no argument! One can say that they are this and that, but as Hillary loves to mention, they are only words. So, what does the average voter use to compare the candidates? What should they look for that makes the most amount of sense, and cannot be obscured by rhetoric? The answer is simple; their campaigns. It is easily the biggest undertaking that either of these two senators have done in their lives. It show cases their skills, their ability to manage finances, manage underlings, communicate with the public, direct the conversation, juggle alliances and make concessions. Basically, everything that we would expect them to do if elected. So, using this basic indicator of what one could expect from each candidate by how the manage and conduct their respective campaigns, (and this includes McClain too), the choice becomes easy. Anything else is just words.

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Robin — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:05:27 GMT

I'm 49, white, female, and I support Obama. I don't believe Hillary is evil; I just prefer Obama. It's that simple. Their platforms are similar except in a couple of respects, and on those issues, I like Obama's positions. What I truly don't like is some of the names I've been called by Hillary supporters, but then I've seen some Obama supporters act in ways he'd be ashamed of. On both sides, there's lots of guilt in that regard.

We face some real problems and we need to come together on them. Calling names like "cultish" and "racist" is NOT helping a single American. My son is in Iraq and I want him home. Calling me a "latte sipping, Birkenstock wearer" is not ending that war. I have severe health problems and cannot afford the cost of HIPPA and no other company will take me due to pre-existing conditions. Calling your rival a "dumb kid" or an "old lady" is not making insurance premiums more affordable. I had to sell my home to stay afloat, but millions more Americans are losing theirs in the mortgage crisis. Arguing about religion, race, and gender will not keep these Americans in their homes.

The list goes on people, you know the real issues we face. Yet, here you are, calling each other names and, yes, YOU are being "divisive," not your candidate, not the political rival, but YOU, every time you call someone a name, sneer at them, or run them down. Get over it and get on with it. America is hurting while you play schoolyard games.

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Keith in PA — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:06:08 GMT

I don't understand your logic regarding the Limbaugh effect. It sounds like you're suggesting that we should examine exit results in places that aren't listening to Limbaugh.

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Liz, Asheville, NC — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:10:57 GMT

Thanks, Frank Medina Ohio, for the youtube video. That, for me, would be the dream ticket -- hope and experience -- Obama and Biden. Two leaders we can trust, two leaders of high character. In my 63 years there would not have been a better team in the White House -- no lying Bush/Chaney, no slick Willie, no trickie Dick, no Iran-Contr Reagan, no incessant-Vietnam Johnson, no Bay-of-Pigs Kennedy. Obama-Biden; what a concept!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPev5sEdTjg

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Steve, Springfield, Virginia — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:11:35 GMT

I am really tired of hearing people say that Obama is playing a "race card" just because he carries the black vote. His message does not contain any reference to appeal to blacks more than any other racial group. The bottom line is that since the South Carolina primary, the Clintons have done EVERYTHING they can to alienate the black vote, and therefore Obama's numbers in this group have grown. After Ferraro's comments, I think we can expect a 95% vote in PA, but this is not because of Obama makes any special appeal, it is because the Clintons have driven their black support away deciding that an appeal to rural voters in TX and OH was more important than the black vote.

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shirley, San Jose, CA — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:11:37 GMT

Bill, please make Hillary stop. She is decimating the Democratic party. If the delegates give this election to Hillary against the popular vote there will be hugh repercussions and the Republicans will win the election

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PatW-NY — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:12:23 GMT

thank you for the you tube prob those that should see it wont look but I thought it was very informative.

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bobw Mendon, NY — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:14:36 GMT

To paraphrase Richard Wright in the closing chapter of his book, "Black Boy"; "I fear that one day, all of us, black or white will find ourselves being flushed down the toilet".

It seems that the Democrat party is doing its best to dive into the toilet and Hillary has her hand on the flusher. It is getting sickening and disgusting. Why is not obvious to the party leadership that they need to step in and bring some sanity to the process?

I am tired of the false standards, false criteria and class warfare that Clinton is subjecting this party to. If the voters in the remaining primary races don't overwhelmingly repudiate Hillary's cynical and selfish tactics, we all deserve to go down the drain together.

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Chelse — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:14:59 GMT

H I L L A R Y C L I N T O N . C O M .

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Marge, Marion, Iowa — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:15:43 GMT

"Want more proof that the liberal blogosphere has turned into a big-time ally for the Obama campaign? It has really begun to push the “Limbaugh Effect” story to explain why Republicans, per exit polls, have begun to break for Clinton in Ohio, Texas, and Mississippi. But let's not get carried away on this issue since all three states have Southern tendencies (yes, you Southern Ohio), meaning identity politics is more likely to trump everything else. Until there's an actual swing of Republicans voting for Clinton in a state without culturally Southern tendencies, then assume this so-called "Limbaugh effect" is nothing more than an urban myth."

Chuck,

I guess you are saying that racist Southern white Republicans are crossing over on their own to prevent a black man from being the Democratic nominee, and these same Southern Republicans would be fine with Hillary. Come on, don't you think that most Southerners who hate the idea of Obama as President would also hate the idea of a women, let alone Hillary, who most Republicans unfairly despise? And prior to Rush urging Republicans to vote in the Democratic primaries there were Southern states that had voted, and yet the cross over Republican vote was overwhelmingly in Obamas favor. It's true many of these Southern primaries occurred when the GOP race was still wide open, but if Southern Republicans were voting for Hillary, they would have done so in the earlier Southern primaries as well.

Even if the number of cross over GOP voters in Texas, Ohio and Mississippi wasn't related to Rush's push to bloody Obama, the bottom line is most of the cross over GOP voters weren't voting to support Hillary, but to hurt the Democratic party, by prolonging the process.

Given your identification as a "numbers man" I'd love to see a breakdown of the GOP cross over vote in all Southern states to date, the percent of the total Democratic vote, the increase or decrease from previous elections, and what the exit polls show regarding how these votes were split.

MSNBC reported that 25% of Hillary's Mississippi vote came from cross over GOP voters, what is the highest percent of Obama's total of GOP voters from any state. I'm quite sure it's never been in double digits. Even when high numbers of Republicans voted for Obama (SC- a Southern state-while the GOP race was still very much open)the overall % of his total vote wasn't that high.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:15:49 GMT

All this silly infighting is just helping Tailhook John. Hillary and her supporters just have to realize she ran an arrogant, ignorant, losing campaign and she would have lost in November had Obama not exposed her campaign for what it was.

This slash and burn kitchen sink strategy is one of desperation as Hillary no longer wants to keep to the issues that really need to be addressed. She isn't interested in the Democratic Party, she is only concerned about herself and her place in history.

It's way past time for the superdelegate wimps sitting on the fence watching which way the wind blows to make a stand and commit to supporting the candidate who has an insurmountable lead. It's time for them to side with Obama and get our party unified before it's too late.

The longer this useless infighting continues the more fractured our party becomes and the less likey it will become united again to fight the true enemy, Tailhook Johnny and his four more years of repugnant one's rape, pillage and plundering of our nation and our economy.

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PatW-NY — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:18:25 GMT

I ment Michael's you tube

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Ron, TX — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:20:04 GMT

Just amazes me...I thought voting by popularity contest stopped in High School...guess not. Guess the popular kid with no substance will always beat out the less popular but smarter and issue oriented kid.
Pat Huntington NY (Sent Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:25 AM)
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Pat, that's how the real world works. The issue-oriented, detail monger works as the middle manager. Tunnel vision doesn't suit a president well, it gives them bad judgment and decision-making skills. The popular, persuasive, visionary is always the CEO, the grand decision-maker, the one that can step back and make the right decisions.

Clinton would make a great senator or first wife, she wouldn't make a good CEO or President.

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change! — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:20:16 GMT

Obama supporters, please start emailing your thoughtful incites to the remaining top super delegates who's opinion will probably end up deciding this election. They need to hear that people are tired of the negativity that the Clinton campaign is running and why Obama is the better choice.

I started off liking both candidates equally but I am now completely disgusted with how far Clinton is willing to go to take something that she thinks should be hers by all right.

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mike ca — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:21:56 GMT

this florida thing is stupid. i dont htink we should allow them to do a revote think about it they have messing up their elections since gore/bush. that was a nightmare people in florida could not pull their head out of their buts long eoungh to simply count chads. now they gone and screwed up another election before it even started thats unblieveable! they were told what the penalty would be for breaking the rules and they still did it. and now the DNC wants to grant them a do over. dont they get it if fl gets a do over then every state will ignore the rules from now and move the primary to any day they want. aside from that do you really want to give fl a chance to mess up again these are people who cant walk into a polling place and puch a chad. do you really think they can handle filling out a ballot by themself, putting on a stamp, and walking it to a mail box. no they cant. some people didnt even no what day the primeary was this time. if fl gets a do over whoever loses will have grounds to contest the vote till kingdom come.even if the vote went off without a hitch it would just be more of the same crap if clinton wins it will be close and they will split the vote. if obama wins it will be close and they will split the vote this means no net gains or losses a wash. i say we ban fl from voteing until they clean up their act why should we put up with them messing up every single election.

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Dahveed — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:23:10 GMT

McCain's "strengths?" What does he offer that in any way shape or form differs from GW Bush? With HC, a recent comparision is accurate: Clinton is merely McCain-Lite, an angry divisive autocrat. She will of course be defeated as the Dem nominee by the real thing - McCain. Only Obama represents a strong, clear alternative for the USA. The time to move on has arrived: Let us redeem ourselves from these failed, status-quo, professional politicians.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:25:34 GMT

Yes bush and gop have driven America into the ground and America knows it and will respond by driving gop out of office for years to come.
thats a fact jack (Sent Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:18 AM)

LOL...
sure worked well in Louisiana didn't it?????

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Mitchell Feldman, Vestal, NY — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:28:42 GMT

Much of Hillary's efforts while in the White House were devoted to crisis control on the political front...what papers to release...what facts to stone wall.

The idea that she has substance on policy is ridiculous. She's nothing more than a great political infighter and that's been borne out by how she's run this campaign. Is this what we want for the next 4 years? Let's get beyond the 50 + 1 strategy that never gets any meaningful legislation accomplished. We need real change in this country and the Hillary Clinton campaign shows us that political fighting and not progress are what will be in store for us with the future with her potential presidency.

With an Obama presidency we might be able to free ourselves from the shackles of grid-lock politics. We might finally be able to move this country in a direction that is truly most beneficial for the largest number of people...a country in which the influence of the special interests is limited allowing the average working people to participate in the bounty that this country affords.

With Barack as president, I also look toward the possibility of this country re-establishing itself as the moral leader in the world and I believe that if we maintain that position we will regain our rightful place as global leader. Once again, we will capture the hearts and minds of populations in all nations; this will do more to limit the evil aspirations of monsters everywhere, than could any imperialistic military incursion. A true war on international terrorism, isn't a war at all.
Obama '08

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Richard Dees, La Grange, IL — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:31:16 GMT

Chairman Dean said this morning: it’s ok if Barack and Hillary go negative against each other because it is nothing compared to the negativity they will face in the general election from the Republicans. While the statement may be true, it ignores the price a candidate pays when he or she goes negative. In this year in particular when the public wants a change from the politics of the past, going negative will impose a cost on the candidate who does. When both candidates are Democrats, however, both candidates are harmed and John McCain benefits from staying above the fray. Going negative in the primary is an incredibly selfish act as it tarnishes the prevailing candidate. Plus, if the candidate wins the nomination by going negative, how can that person criticize the Republicans if they go negative. If the general election is only about issues, the Democrats will win going away.

May I please make a modest request of the so-called leaders of our Democratic party also known as super-delegates? A majority of Democrats may not have decided if they want Barack or Hillary yet, but an overwhelming number know that they do not want them beating each other up for even a day more. I have my own idea who is using a scorched earth policy, but it has to stop if we are going to win in November.

Gather the super-delegates and issue an ultimatum to both campaigns: either drop the negative campaigning immediately or as a group we will vote against you in Denver, no matter what happens between now and then. Whatever happens during the next three months neither Barack nor Hillary can win without super-delegate support. Ensuring a positive campaign is about the only action the super-delegates can take without offending half the party.

So, LEAD!
Richard of La Grange, Illinois

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Anti Reaganess, Columbus Georgia — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:33:14 GMT

OMG!!

Obama's race implosion...

Your racist views are going to cause Obama to lose.... You are going to get the exact opposite of what you want to achieve.... You can't force your cynical view of Democracy down peoples throats, look whats happened in Iraq, and they are not nearly independently minded as Americans are. It's a lot to do with Iraq's history, but it does not change the fact....

I know many left winged pundits, and 99% of AA pundits such a Chris Matthews, and almost all at msnbc and the Obamaites wish to stifle, disenfranchise, suppress, take away, keep from counting, anyway to stop the votes of three million plus people, from counting. Just look at Al sharpton, he is going to sue Florida, yes Al Sharpton....

But the backlash has already started.

We the general population, don't like, highly detest, denounce and reject this racist pandering of political pundits and politicians. Obama will get beat in the general (because of you,) too many Democrats believe and I think rightly so, that "you" are trying to force you views down the throats, of those, who don't agree with your political agendas.

I only hear the word racist with regard to "white" voters, explain to me how it is that 92% of AA's in Mississippi voted for the "back" candidate. Especially when 60% of them said "race is important to me," if that were whites saying this, they would be bigots and all other kinds of bad things. It makes me sick how rich liberal white guys try to force feed their "pseudo guilt" to the rest of us.

When Obama falls, look to yourselves, and others like you, who tried to use racism, as a basis for silencing others, and forcing us to accept the (BS) that only white people are racist. The bigots in Ohio, bigots in Pennsylvania. and so on where Obama lost, and maybe is going to lose. We are tired of hearing this negative, divisive, demeaning, (BS). In the beginning I had decided to vote for Obama, if he won the nomination.... No more

Hillary, if not, then McCain. And we are Legion....

We are much more strong willed, than the bubble gum democrats who don't have a clue about what Obama stands for, other than "Change!" Gosh they are so brilliant..... and the so called well to do democrats, who want to experiment, because they feel they are insulated from the results in their "play election choices." Leave it to msnbc to say the Obama democrats are more loyal than those backing Hillary, msnbc is the only place where I hear this. It's simply not true, and I have not seen or "read" this anywhere else. Just the lopsided, warped, unsubstantiated, low balling, democracy subversive, views of msnbc.

There has been a big shake up with their talking heads, and it most likely will get worse. They have the least objective news and lowest ratings of all the news organizations. They are the absolute worst at trashing Hillary, and praising Obama, including Chris Matthews chills running up his leg as he listens to Obama speak. More likely it's the tingling of dying nerves from diabetic leg, due to lack of circulation.

The race thing has turned me off to Obama, the way Axelrod, black pundits, black politicians, the swooning, liberal, gutless, talking heads, and press.... try and tell "us" how and what to think.... There is an area of their collective anatomy, where the sun don't shine, I suggest they stick their ideas there....

Take a look inside Obama's church of twenty years, listen there and look there, twenty years.... The "great uniter's" pastor and his language and physical body actions alluding too and about Bill Clinton. By the way, I don't hear that uniting stuff much anymore, from Obamaites, about unity, and a different kind of politics, bringing people together. I hear constant slicing, kicking and cutting, and tearing vicious attracts on Hillary, and "anyone else," who don't agree with his and their gaseous, evaporative, rhetoric.

New Hampshire-Bradley Effect-racism
Fairy tale-racism
President LBJ legislation-racism
You don't like my candidate-racism
Ohio voted for Hillary-racism
Jesse Jackson's name-racism

92% That's ninety two percent of blacks voted for Obama in Miss. (because he is the best candidate) ain't no way that "they," the way blacks vote, could be interpreted as, or could be called racism. Down scale, medium scale, up scale blacks, they all voted the same. Even when 60% of AA's said race was important to how they voted.

Give me a break, we are tired, sick, and fed up with this, and please note that Obama actually did start talking "substance" when he was "stumping" in Ohio.... Apparently he felt the "down scale democrats" actually needed some substance to his rhetoric. That his message of "change" and "yes we can" was not enough for the "simpletons".... He was right, they saw right through his high flying words, and chose another candidate.

But "you" called it racism, the Obamaites, called it racism.....

It's not going to work the "backlash" has started. We are sick of it. White guilt, is not going to work for you, "lunch bucket" Democrats are not dumb, and they won't be so easily manipulated, it won't elect a president. Obama has a long way to go before he can convince the "core democrat white'' vote, they are tough, and issue oriented, and don't give a rats back side, about high flying platitudes of a melancholic pessimistic message regardless of the rhyme.... They want to know how they are gong to feed the bull dog...not some latte liberals poodle's appointment for a shampoo and toe nail clipping.

Dr Francis Crosby.