http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx From NBC's WHO-TV in Des Moines and MSNBC's HardballSen. John McCain (R) joked yesterday that he would "commit suicide" if Democrats win control of the Senate in November.  McCain made the remark during a campaign stop in Iowaen-USCommunityServer 2.0 (Build: 60608.1)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7685Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:48:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7685SirianaWe wouldn't be that lucky.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7688Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:50:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7688Jeff GleasonJust more incentive for Dems to take back the house.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7689Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:51:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7689Douglas DeGroat, Poughkeepsie, New YorkOMG, and to think I actually liked McCain until recently, and I'm a true blue Democrat!! What do the bushies have on McCain? Or since he signed that bill gutting the Consitution, did they threaten to call him an Enemy Combatant and Waterboard him to get him in line???http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7691Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:51:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7691Scott Stowe, Bangor, MaineSo now can we please stop referring to this guy as a "Maverick"? He's proven himself to be no better than the other rubber-stamp Republicans in this Congress with comments like these. My guess is he's probably lost any Dem votes he might have gotten in 2008, and more than a few Independents as well.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7692Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:53:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7692Siriana Kahli, Tucson, AZWe wouldn't be that lucky.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7694Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:57:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7694Lee SteeleMcCain, you died the day you let Bush decide the meaning of torture. The Viet Cong couldn't get you to compromise your beliefs but the GOP sure did. So long, and have a nice eternity.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7695Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:57:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7695Bob, Boston, MA.Mr. McCain, Please call Karl Rove and George Bush and find out if they'll let you commit suicide first. Perhaps they might just want a mere flesh wound (via Cheney). But really John, you must get your instructions from your masters first. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7696Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:00:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7696Mel McClure, Broomfield, ColoradoAs a U.S. Navy Veteran and a lifelong Democrat - I was going to volunteer on McCain's Presidential campaign. This "suicide" comment and McCain's kowtowing to the religious right has made me reconsider. You blew it shipmate!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7697Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:01:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7697John Stantons, Fernandina Beach, FLIs there anything I can do to help? I think he speaks for the president, doesn't he? Be careful John, you could be arrested as an enemy combatant and we may never hear from you again. You and HC (habeas corpus) might be held in the same cell in never, never land.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7700Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:02:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7700DaveMcCain is such a disappointment. He opposes the President strongly one day and the next folds like a cheap tablecloth. His tendency to move to the middle and even a bit to the left, then back to the right close to election time has caused me to lose all respect for him. He was the last opposition to the President's torture bill and eventually folded at the feet of The Shrub when asked to the White House for an oval office "torture chat." His backbone has folded under the desire to stay in office and again chase his Presidential "dreams." Voters now recognize this act which will only lead to another failed Presidential bid. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7702Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:02:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7702edna ohiooh yea! now the press has someone else to whip around. lucky us (the viewers)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7703Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:04:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7703Jean OchrzcinHe lost my vote but more importantly my respect with his attack on Clinton. I used to think he had a mind of his own, now I just think he's lost his mind.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7704Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:05:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7704Angela Shane, Boulder CONothing funnier that a joke about suicide. Good one John.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7705Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:05:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7705Andrew StevensI recall the day after 911 telling me wife, "just watch, no matter what happens, the liberals will forget and jump back on the same horse they were riding last week." Judging from all of your comments, I was right. Furthermore, what kind of person says things like "we wouldn't be that lucky?" I'm guessing: an uneducated, left wing nut ball who probably considers them smart (therein lies the rub).http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7706Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:05:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7706bobMy opinion of McCain just changed! What a horses ass! Its not Republician vs Democrats..its what's best for the people..hellooooooooooo.. Go ahead and kill yourself McCain and take this administration with you..http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7707Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:05:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7707Ron HoustonHaving lived in Phoenix for several years, I previously respected McCain and thought he was a logical, pragmatic politician rather than an ideologue. With this comment and others, such as saying "I support the president's right to pick his cabinet" when asked about whether Rumsfeld should resign, it is clear he is catering to the far right in anticipation of a 2008 presidential bid. His "independence seems to have vanished in the haze". Let's see what happens on November 7.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7708Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:06:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7708Joe Payne, Dallas, TXI hope the democrats sweep come next month, so McCain can commit suicide; I am tired of paying his salary.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7711Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:09:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7711Hal, Council Bluffs, IowaSounds like a good trade off to me.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7712Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:09:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7712Nick, Phoenix, AZMcCain sold his soul to Charles Keating in the 80's and now he's sold his soul to bush. The man has absolutely NO principles! It makes me sick how these newspeople fall all over him. A maverick?? Maybe when he was a POW. Now he's just another bush lackey who helped him destroy our Constitution!! How dare these ignorant fools do that!! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7713Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:10:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7713bobJoihn McCain is an idiot, just like the President.Its not GOP vs Democrat..Its a goverment for the people! I am so sick of this GOP & the administration! We need new blood in the Administration..hopefully some wise ones as wellhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7714Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:11:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7714Ron HoustonAndrew, You probably still believe there were WMD in Iraq also, I'll bet.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7715Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:13:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7715Bill, Alamagordo, New MexicoIt's truly tragic that the man who bravely stood up to 6 years of torture by the Viet Cong can't stand up to 6 years of pressure by the Bush Administration. I suppose this is just another case of "everybody has a price." It's hard to imagine what McCain thinks he's getting, but the price he's paying is his integrity.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7717Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:14:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7717Jim, Northampton, MAJesus Christ, it was a joke!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7718Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:14:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7718Don Wilson, Portland, ORDo Republicans ever think before they speak? I'm not a theologian, but I believe this statement is against Christian principles. Why would we want a person who thinks suicide is an option as president?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7719Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:14:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7719DeeAndrew Stevens (Sent Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:05 PM) Oh yeah. Your goddess Ann Coulter is such an intelligent, compassionate class act. Jokes about poisoning Supreme Court Justices and all. Hoo boy! That's a knee slapper! I took the "couldn't be that lucky" statements in reference to the Democrats decisively winning in November. I guess that makes me a "dumb old girl liberal".http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7720Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:14:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7720John, Reston, VAMcCain is as big a phony as any lying politician who ever came down the pike. He worships at the alter of power like the rest of them. Not power to accomplish good works for the common folks, but power to enrich and enable the ruling class. Just because they are charismatic doesn't mean they aren't rotten to the core. Judge them by their fruits, please!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7722Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:15:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7722Ann, Philadelphia, PAJohn McCain was one of the few Republicans I did not despise - mainly because he had a mind of his own. Now it seems he is receiving the Rove talking points daily. He obviously drank the cool-aid. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7723Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:17:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7723Ann Utica NyI liked John McCain before I saw him on Hardball last night. Now I have no respect for him. He sounded like a fool.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7725Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:17:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7725JA Little Rock, ARI really have great respect for Mr. McCain even if he represents the dark side. On the other hand I would be willing to commit to jumping if the "Pubs" retain control. He says it is THAT important and I agree. Two more years of Crawford's village idiot is more than I can stand if the lemmings of congress AKA Republicans also retain their self declared monarchy.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7726Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:17:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7726donkeyhoetee,Phila, PaJust another campaign promise that won't be kept.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7728Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:18:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7728DaveIs "left-wing liberal nutballs" all you got? Come on, you can do better than that! Obviously there are many republicans (here and elswhere) that are unimpressed and tired of McCain's act. I am a liberal, highly educated and not even slightly concerned about people who think the way you do. Most everyone elase woke up while you remain asleep...you will get yours in 19 days when the "nutballs" and a whole lot of Republicans get together and kick the dog out of this current administration at the polls. The nutballs and the republicans are together on this one, much to the chagrin of folks like yourself. Your post really set you apart from those of us with some kind of a clue what is best for this nation. Get ready!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7729Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:19:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7729Lee Steele Mountain View CAStevens: on 9/12 you were already bitching about Democrats? What a patriot! IF only there were less like you.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7732Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:20:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7732Marcus Lathrop, Rochester, New YorkIt's so sad to see John go juvenile. What's next..."I hate the democrats"...or maybe "If you vote for a Democrat I'll kill you"?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7734Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:20:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7734RV, Columbus,OhioAndrew. Jump back on the same Horse? At least that Horse isn't the same one the Republicans are riding...I think it's name is "Stay the Course". That's a sound ideaology!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7735Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:20:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7735jim curran los angelesAll it really does is reinforce a thought that surfaced in 2000 by the Bushies: That this guy is a little wacked! What exactly did the VC do to him in that cell?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7737Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:21:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7737RV, Columbus,OhioAndrew. Jump back on the same Horse? At least that Horse isn't the same one the Republicans are riding...I think it's name is "Stay the Course". That's a sound ideaology!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7741Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:22:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7741Robert Catalano, Salem, ORI guess John McCain could withstand any torture the North Vietnamese did to him but the idea of not getting the Republican Party to support his bid for the presidency got him to compromise his beliefs and start being a front man for the enemy. Both he and Jane Fonda have sold out their beliefs for the prospect of more fame and the almighty dollar.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7743Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:23:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7743slippytoadAndrew Stevens: what does this have to do with 9/11? I'm completely befuddled how McCain's anti-statesmanship somehow reflects poorly on Liberals. What "horse" do you want us to ride now? The rubber-stamp Horse of the Apocalypse? The Horse of Utter Foreign Policy Failure? How about the Horse of Cutting Cake with Seniors and Playing Guitar while people die in New Orleans? Me, I'm all for putting credible leaders back in Washington. If you are going to defend McCain's leadership skills here, please explain to us how he can lead when disagreeing so powerfully with over 50% of the electorate that he'd rather kill himself than compromise.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7744Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:24:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7744Tim, Long beach, CAMcCain has sold out to the Bush Administration. I used to respect him, but his brain seems to have stopped functioning on its own. Doesn't he realize that by going along with all of the unconstitutional activities that Bush is so proud of, McCain is just as guilty.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7747Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:27:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7747Anne, somewhere in MichiganGee, Senator, what will your family think when they find your body? Perhaps you should ask mine. My aunt and uncle found their 18-year-old son with a self-inflicted bullet through his head. This happened 28 years ago and it still haunts us. And you call your statement levity? Try that line on Tony Dungy or other parents who have lost children to suicide. See how they react. You are disgusting and you lost my vote.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7748Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:30:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7748Stefan, NYCIt never ceases to amaze me that all of the enlightened, smarter than thou Dem's reduce themselves to barbary as soon as someone not on their side errs or criticizes the beloved Clintons. Shame on all of you for your death wishes. You're nothing more than ignorant, angry savages with suspect education. It makes it tough to vote Dem when I think I'll be coupled with people who have the same personality as the people they claim to hate! Why, because they look just like you in the ideological mirror?! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7750Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:32:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7750Jim, Northampton, MAIt was a joke made at a Republican campaign stop. He is a Republican. He wants his side to retain Congress, just like Democrats want their side to regain control of Congress. Alec Baldwin said he would leave the country if Bush was re-elected. Last I checked, he's still here. Count "sense of humor" among the things we are losing in this country... http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7752Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:33:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7752Molly MaguireSuicide? I fail to see the humor. McCain, you committed political suicide when you sold out to the Bush Machine.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7753Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:33:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7753John, Rockton IL.Until now, I thought I might vote for this guy. Obviously, however, he is just another idiologue who holds his political party above the will of the electorate. George Bush continued? No thanks!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7754Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:35:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7754Joan D, Westminster COA suicide joke...hahaha. Amazing that this is a humorous subject - ask any suicide survivor how they feel about someone laughing about this. Just one more reason I'm not voting for McCain. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7755Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:35:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7755Peggy MI find Mr. McCain, and his pretend straight talk and integrity disgusting. He pretended to care about the Geneva conventions and the rights of detainees and ended up voting to eliminate the most basic of American rights, habeas corpus. Can there be any better definition of traitor?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7760Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:39:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7760Mike Smith, Waterloo IlI used to respect John McCain until he let the Cowarard Cowoboy from Crawford Walk all over him in the 2000 Election. He really has no back-bone at all. Now he is trying to apease the far-right Bible Thumpers. He is a joke...http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7761Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:41:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7761Clinton, San Diego, CaliforniaHow is joking about suicide levity? Mr. McCain seems to need some sensitivity training. The comment also gives the indication that things would be so bad under a Democratic controlled Congress that it wouldn’t be worth living under that scenario. How low will these WEAK Republicans go? Evidentially they will go as low as it is possible.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7762Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:42:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7762lucas jonesMcCain is a sicko, and a statement like that only highlights why he and other Republicans are too irresponible to be in charge. What a punk... http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7763Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:42:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7763James, San FranciscoYeah, Edna. It's the press's fault for reporting verbatim what McCain said! (note sarcasm.) Typical Republican mentality... blame it on the press or blame it on the Democrats. And non-thinking people like yourself buy into it, hook, line, and sinker! The war is going horribly; should the press not report that? Foley get's cought after years of preying on pages, the Republican House leadership knew and did nothing (to save one seat); should the press not report that? The basis for going to war in the first place was, at best, flawed intelligence, and the president's office know that; should the press not report it? North Korea is now a nuclear state; should the press not report it? The world's view of the United States has plumeted under this president; should the press not report that? This president has called the United Nations "irrelevant" for doing exactly what was created to do because it did not rubber-stamp what he wanted to do... should the press not report that? The Republicans have been in control of both houses of congress for the better part of 12 years, and the white house for six, and the best they can do is pander to the religious wing-nuts by attempting to amend the constitution to, for the first time in history, insert blatant discrimination. It's time for a change. Edna, grow a brain and begin using it, because it seems to me as though the Republicans are spoon-feeding you your thoughts.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7765Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:49:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7765SB, NoVaSuicide is NOT a joke. Period.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7766Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:49:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7766John Doe, Seattle, WASo when Dems worry about Repub takeovers, they threaten to move to Canada. However, when Repubs worry about Dem takeovers, they threaten to commit suicide. Who is more partisan in this picture?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7768Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:51:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7768Joe DavisJust remember, you know you're actually getting somewhere when your Republican friends or colleagues get either really quite or verbally comabative. It's a fear of logic, an insane hope that the next scandal will erase the ill affects of the current one (um, wait, that was kind of working for the GOP until recently), and it's another chance to dress McCarthyism up in Jesus or Terrorism or Torture or whatever else will keep them in power. At any cost. That's the real problem; you can't negotiate with someone who has no regard for human life, and you can't beat the GOP unless you are willing to fight and stay the course. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7770Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:52:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7770Kevin Mills, Atkins, ArkansasNow I really want the democrates to win. Just carry through with your word Johnhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7771Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:54:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7771Mr OctoberRemember how Repugs went apeshit when some celebs said they would leave the country if Duhbya won.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7773Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:55:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7773Brandon Makoroff, Los Angeles, CaI am an Independent and up until the (so called) compromise between McCain and Bush I believed that McCain was a good alternative. The only problem is that this so called compromise was exactly what Bush wanted and McCain did the dirty work to make it look like the congress was fighting for the people. McCain was probably told by Rove "do this and we will make you president". After the Hardball show and McCains "joke" I now have no further respect for him and hope that he will now just fade back into the background and let the Democrates do the job he should of been doing.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7774Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:58:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7774MK, Janesville, WIThat's funny, he doesn't look Islamic.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7775Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:00:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7775JeffI too was a Democrat who had great respect for McCain. From everything I read, he seemed to really stand for middle of the road common sense. But when faced with questions about the ungodly poor job the Republicans have been doing in office...well...I can only surmise that Carl Rove purchased some sort of mind control device from the Viet Cong or something.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7776Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:01:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7776Edward Shaw, CTI guess McCain considers himself an "across-the-aisle" figure only when the Republicans are in the majority. I realize he was only joking, but suggesting that a Democrat-led Congress could be grounds for suicide puts him in a class with Ann Coulter. The funny thing is I remember thinking the same thing about the Republicans in 1994, though no one running that fall would have been so uncouth as to say it at a campaign event.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7778Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:03:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7778TrishI will tell that joke to my children who's father committed suicide. I am sure they will think it is hilarious. What an insensitive pompous ass. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7779Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:04:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7779Kate Voorhees NJJohn McCain absolutley did drink the Kool-Aid. He's not a maverick. He's not a statesman. He sold his soul. He's just another politician. Good bye, John.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7780Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:07:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7780Brian, Cedar Hill, TXTo think that McCain was the ONLY republican I admired up until his recent attack on Clinton, his suicide comment and last night's performance on Hardball with Chris Matthews. What a sell-out!!!!! He's a BUSHER (because Bushies is far too cutesy for these thugs), through and through.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7782Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:08:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7782Deanna lemons Lake City TNMy husband of 15 years blew his brains out.. I somehow forgot to laugh.. My young children did also.........http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7783Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:08:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7783Elliot WhiteThis is the most recent in a coming series of tactics that the Republicans will use as the election approaches. First the levity:lighten the tone so people see issues as under their control and they are not panicking. As soon as someone else takes a similar tact, they'll be labeled, and under attack for not being serious about Americam security and issues.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7784Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:09:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7784Bob, Boston, MA.Responding to Andrew: After 9/11 I said to my wife, "Just watch, no matter what happens, the Republicans will forget and create historic deficits, abrogate the Geneva Conventions, ignore the real threats of North Korea and Iran, start and not finish two sloppy wars, insult our allies, degrade our standing in the world, pay-off the wealthy and humiliate the poor, claim grandiose programs and fail to fund them and generally function as arrogant and incompetent leaders." Judging from all events, I was right. Furthermore, What kind of person says things like "Mission Accomplished?" I'm guessing an uninformed right wing nut ball who has proven to be a failure. (therein lies the ignominy.)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7785Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:10:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7785Jowika, Woodland Hills, CADemocrats are classic- if it's Bill Clinton and he wags the finger, so what. But if a Republican makes a joke about himself, wow, watch out. The difference between what he said and celebrities against Bush in the last election were the personal attacks against George Bush and in this situation there is no personal attack only self-deprecating humor. But then Democrats can't tell the difference because of their intellectual dishonesty.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7786Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:11:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7786Carole Lockhart, Pensacola, FLHey John, instead of committing suicide if the democrats take control of Senate, why don't you try becoming an independent? That way you'll save your soul – in more ways than one! You should have gone independent in 2000 and run for President. I would have voted for you and I'm a true blue democrat. Don't think there's anything you can do now to win my vote. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7788Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:11:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7788K. Olson, Des Moines, IowaSenator McCain tries to create the perception that he's a man of principle and that he's above the corruption and mud-slinging that goes on in Washington. In reality, he's no different than most Washington politicians. I fell for his lies once when I spoke on his behalf in my precinct during the Iowa caucuses in 2000. I won't make that mistake again. A man of principle and courage would go into South Carolina and take an unequivical stand against the racially-insensitive "Stars and Bars". He would uphold his oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. He would stand against the President when the President tramples on the COnstitution. Above all, he would realize that he is a public servant and not merely a servant of the Republican Party. He would understand that our government is a government "of the people, by the people, for the people." He would not make smart-ass comments that alienate half the country. He would not demonize the opposition. He would leave that to Hannity, Coulter and Michael Moore. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7789Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:12:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7789SamIn 2004 elections 2.6M of us were idiots...let's count this election.....John McCain stand by your words and we'll have one less idiot in 2008 electionshttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7790Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:13:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7790Shawn Fassett, Auburn, WashWhy do people still take McCain seriously? He is the biggest sellout of them all. The GOP have taken strikes against his mental well-being, his wife, his child, his service to this country. Now they tell him that they are standing by him on his stance against torture, the whole time they are issuing signing statements (the equivilent of having your fingers crossed). He's a coward and as self-involved as Joe Lieberman is. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7792Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:15:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7792Jeff, Blue Springs,MOAndrew: Does CONSERVATIVE mean not running up a huge deficit? Does CONSERVATIVE mean not creating more government and government spending? Does CONSERVATIVE mean passing laws that diminish the basis of our constitution? Does CONSERVATIVE mean making the executive branch more powerful. Does CONSERVATIVE mean having the legislative branch afraid to check the executive? I would think that blind faith in any politician or political party is a sign of ignorance. Something that both you and John McCain displayed greatly. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7793Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:16:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7793Paul, Denver, CODoes this blog have anyone but 99% Democrats who read it?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7794Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:24:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7794Another Future Enemy of the State"But then Democrats can't tell the difference because of their intellectual dishonesty." Yeah, I guess we all got caught up in the search for WMD, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, "For us or against us" (unless you're Pakistan or Saudia Arabia), borrowing enormous sums of money from China to pay off rich Americans to turn a blind eye to a police state in the making, "life is sacred" - until it's born, then it's meat for a Texas fast-track execution, and all the other "intellectually dishonest" garbage we liberals have vomited onto America for 8 years. Thank God the Bush Republicans are here to keep us honest.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7796Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:25:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7796!"Does this blog have anyone but 99% Democrats who read it? " Read it and weep - we've had enough of the New American Fascism and cowards who spit on the Constitution.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7797Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:26:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7797Olivia Elizabeth Burdon, Peoria, Ill.Maybe McCain, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rove should all drink the grape Kool-Aid together....http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7798Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:26:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7798Sharon Cocoa Beach, FloridaPaul from Denver, you have a goodpoint, but isn't the whole country 99% democrat by now? if they're not, they will be by 2008. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7799Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:27:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7799Lorna, PhiladelphiaTo Paul in Denver Just to disagree with John McCain or George Bush does not make one a Democrat. Just like to question a loss of liberty does not make one a terrorist. It's called Independent thinking.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7800Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:28:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7800Sue FilutzeSad, sad, sad, McCain drank the kool-aid, I always respected this man and thought it was totally outrageous what happend to him by the Bush campaign in 2000, but he decided that running for President is more important than standing your ground on torture and decrying these GOP mafia members for what they are, crooks and liars. He certainly has decided that power is more important then truth, or representing the American Public, instead he has decided that kissing the butts of the Religious right and big corporations is the way to go. Hopefully McCain, and a whole lot of other people on both sides will soon disappear and we can bring in a fresh face group that haven't been totally corrupted yet. We can only hope. Grannysuehttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7802Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:28:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7802David Whittlesey, Prescott, AZWhat's so humorous about suicide? Having lost two people very dear to me in a period of two and a half years to suicide, I find Mr. McCain's sense of humor to be particularly offensive, nearly as much so as the general level of morality of the Republican party as demonstrated by President Bush's jihad!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7803Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:30:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7803Jeff, Grand Rapids, MINo, Paul, it doesn't have 99% Democrats. It does, however, consist of 99% sane people...many whom have finally woken up and cannot wait until November to vote. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7804Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:30:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7804Thomas Wilcox, APO, AEYou people need to get a sence of humor. C'mon guy...it was just a friggin joke. McCain is a hell of a lot better then what Bush ever was and will be anyway. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7805Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:30:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7805DG I really liked McKain.I though he speak his mind and he has a mind of his own. I even thought I would vote for him. He just lost my vote. Way to turn positive into negatives.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7806Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:32:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7806Kathy Shainoff, Twinsburg, OhioJohn McCain- My husband blew his brains out the day after 9/11, as a widow of suicide, I still do not think it is a laughing/joking matter. Wake up and smell the coffee!! Sounds like you need a reality check- Perhaps a major wage cut will assist you. Did you really think suicide is a joking matter??!! Your a disgrace! Shame on you!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7807Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:32:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7807Jane Doe, Metro DetroitJeff from Blue Springs--RIGHT ON! It is a never ending source of amazement that almost everything of any substance that Bush has done runs counter to what "conservatives" supposedly stand for and yet they support him fanatically. It's better to tax and spend than to spend into bankruptcy. Staying the course didn't work too well on the Titanic, either. Have faith that the ship won't sink and don't worry about the reality-based iceberg. I'd also like to add: GO TIGERS! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7808Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:32:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7808Mike McDermott, Grand Island, Nebraska If the American public does not come to their senses soon and John McCain would ever get elected, we can expect to go back into Vietnam and finish some "unfinished business."http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7809Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:33:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7809Colin Milwaukee, WIThe GOP calls Kerry a flip-flopper during the '04 elections but doesn't do the same for McCain? Pot meet kettle indeed.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7810Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:34:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7810John TateThis sounds like a win-win situation to me. Democrats in power and one less Republican't.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7812Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:35:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7812AnnThomas. Suicide a joke. Has any one in your family commited suicide. I don't think so. You would then know that it is no joke.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7813Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:37:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7813Ur. Boss, Chicago, ILBlah, blah, blah. This is your boss speaking, now get back to work you goofs. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7814Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:38:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7814Paul DC, New York, NYNothing funny about suicide. I'm sorry, but there isn't. The truth about McCain is this: he is just another toady for the Republican establishment. His spin doctors have done okay so far, but he will undo himself - and them - long before 2008. IMHO.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7816Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:39:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7816Amanda F, Mooresville NCSuicide is a great joke!!!! Why don't you come and tell that one to my kids? We forgot to laugh when their dad killed himself...maybe this time it will be funny. Perhaps you should use your brain before opening your mouth!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7817Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:43:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7817Chad JacksonSenator McCain's comments are an inherent part of our democratic process. His comments are being blown completely out of proportion, and these blogs are unfairly tying him too closely to the Bush Administration. Sure, Senator McCain is campaining for Republican Congressional candidates, but what would you expect him to do? I hope all who read this realizes that this is the system we have and it IS political by nature. However, a close analysis of the Senator's views, voting, etc., shows he is a Republican but an independent thinker. I agree that his actions have become a bit more conservative as 2008 approaches, but Senator Clinton's actions have become a bit more liberal. IT IS OUR PROCESS, and we should be thankful that we have public servants like Senator McCain (and others, such as John Edwards and Colin Powell) who support their party but are not afraid to break from the party if the situation so dictates. Has everyone already forgotten about the bipartisan group of Senators (including McCain) who avoided a deadlock on federal judges, or the fact that Senator McCain recently publicly opposed the Bush Administration's interpretation of the Geneva Convention (a very hot subject)? Please keep Senator McCain's comments - and comments from other politicians - in context. I hope Senator McCain runs for president, and, if so, I will support him.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7818Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:44:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7818Andrew, Cincinnati, OHAdd me to the list of former McCain admirers. As an independant, I have honestly felt Dubya was an idiot from the beginning but held out hope that McCain was different. I respected him as a patriot and POW who thought for himself. I actually felt outrage for him when the Bushies swiftboated him in 2000 before we knew what "swiftboating" was. His actions over the last few years have destroyed any respect I may have had for him. Does this "win at all cost, the people should not decide" mentality scare anyone else?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7819Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:45:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7819Karen, Gaithersburg, MDI use to like McCain and I'm a die hard Democrat. He lost me months ago when he stopped being independent and started kissing the 'Bushy' butt. As far as I'm concerned, he can go ahead and do himself in. At his point in time, one less Repug in Congress would be a blessing.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7820Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:45:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7820Brad H vic BCSpoken like a man with something held over his head like maybe some illegal campaign contributions or possibly he is the father of a colored child from a extra martial affair a few years back. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7822Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:48:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7822Lets take America BackThis is just another example of what a sinking ship the Republicans are on. Desperate Times call for desperate measures! I am sure most americans feel suicide a suitable alternative to another 4 years of a republican Whitehouse as well!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7824Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:49:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7824Public enemy"You people need to get a sence of humor. C'mon guy...it was just a friggin joke. McCain is a hell of a lot better then what Bush ever was and will be anyway." The joke sucked. Maybe it'll be funnier when you do it. Sadly, the second part is true - if Bush weren't born to a ruthless rich family he'd be a junkie in some basement, because on his own he couldn't pour piss out of boot with the instructions on the heel.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7825Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:52:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7825TerryMy grandmother committed suicide. It was a JOKE people. The Democrats love to make a big deal out of nothing. I knew it was a joke when so many big names said they would move out of the country if Bush was re-elected. So give me a break.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7826Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:53:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7826Jeremy, Seattle, Wash.What's worse, a joke about suicide (whether you think it's funny or not), or a serious statement that you wish someone dead, or that we'd all be "lucky" if he off'ed himself? You can claim the calousness or poor taste of his statement all you want, but this board is filled with 100 times worse.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7828Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:53:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7828Andrew, Cincinnati, OHHey Chad, you forgat to add: "I am John McCain And I approved this Message"http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7829Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:55:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7829bobSpeaking of jokes, Did you hear that GWB is our President? Does Karl Rove know this? I wonder if Dick Cheney knows? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7831Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:57:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7831Lets take America BackI think americans know a good joke when the see one. We have been look at a big one in the Whitehouse for the past 6 years! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7832Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:58:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7832C Jordan, Thomasville GAI was part of a large group who worked hard to get votes for McCain in 2000. We were organzied across many of the early primary states: NH, GA, SC,DE VA, MI, IL, MA and IN. We had a solid 30% of the GOP on our side. We needed moderated Democrats and independents. Unfortunately, many of his most vocal supporters: college kids, moderate Democrats, and independents; failed to show up on primary election day. In some states these supporters would have had to change their party affiliation so they could vote in a Republican primary. Apparently that was too much to sacrifice. Another thing was many of the college students who would have been first time voters did nothing; they didn't register, so couldn't vote. The end result from our efforts is we learned that many of the people who say they loved Mccain's message in 2000 did not vote for him. And those who hated his message voted in huge numbers--for Bush. I don't blame McCain. His message didn't fail. the public failed. Maybe he's given up on that segment of the public and has desided to court the votes of people who vote in high numbers: hard core conservatives.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7834Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:59:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7834Valerie Sanford, Los Angeles, CAI just now reached my limit on toleration of Mr. Wonderful McCain. Let him hoist himself on his own petard.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7835Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:59:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7835Mark, IdahoReading this blog is a bad as watching a soap opera; I don't know who to be more ashamed of, the vast majority of Americans who are politically ignorant, the majority that read biased meadia sources(red and blue) and think themselves knowledgeble about policy, the majority who find themselves offended by non-malicious off hand comments, or myself for having read the drivel on here in the first place!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7839Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:03:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7839Quinton Weary, New Orleans, LouisianaIs he the new Party? The Repubricrat. He swithches teams everyday depending on which way the wind is blowing.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7840Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:06:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7840Jeff, Grand Rapids, MIJeremy, nobody wishes John McCain dead. I read statements of how some people would like to help him...you know, by making his suicide as easy and pain free as possible. Kinda like the executions the GOP supports. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7842Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:07:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7842!;)there is so much you people don't know about mccain. he was loved & respected by all, no matter what party for years & years in az. he always said governmnet shouldn't have anything to do with a woman's right to choose, everyone has the right to life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness. when mccain got rove-whacked in the 2000 primary, he figured the only way he'd be president was to join their club. all the things he stood for went right out the door! here in tucson & pima county we have a domestic partnership reigistry, hetro or homo sexual, all can participate. it garrantees rights to info & helps to protect those involved in domestic violence. the city of tucson allows employees who are registered to pay the primiums & have their domestic partner covered by their job benefits. we've had it for 8 yrs. it was never an issue till mccain drank the rovian koolaid. now he's decided the the ultra right, in areas of az other than tucson, have the right to vote down our tolerance of other choices that don't affect anyone other than the participants. i heard him say on hardball that the republicans are a tolerent party. tell that to all the people about to get screwed.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7843Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:07:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7843Chad Jackson, Nashville, TNHey Andrew, Cincinnati - most everyone else forgot to add "This message produced and paid for by the Democratic Senatorial Election Committee." I still think everyone tying McCain to WMD's and labeling him as a Bushie is unfair. He is not part of the Bush/Rove/Rumsfeld camp. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7844Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:10:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7844Steve, Philadelphia, PAI am handing him the rope, gun, pills or whatever his choice to do the deed.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7845Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:11:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7845George, Dallas, TXEven as a democrat I thought McCain had some good ideas and I respected him as an independent thinker and a war veteran. Now with that one thoughtless comment, he has sunk to the level of all the other hacks in both parties that will say anything to get what they want. Self-respect and integrity and it integrity went by the wayside long ago. And now McCain is leading the pack. He thought it was a "good line?..." What a complete ass. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7846Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:15:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7846HMooreIn reading this garbage, I begin to understand how many nuts, kooks, idiots, etc. there are in this country. Kinda scary !!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7847Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:16:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7847Jackie Allen, Birmingham ALbeing a survivor of a suicide victim, I am deeply offended by McCain's comment. Remarks made off the cuff without a moments thought are generally the kind of words we later regret saying. A better choice of words would have been more appropriate. I'm sure someone will say "get a sense of humor" but hey why don't you tell that to my kid too.....stupid, stupid remark made by what otherwise seems to be an intelligent human being. I have always admired Sen. McCain, and this too shall pass, he is one of the smarter Republicans still left around Washington.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7848Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:16:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7848Ken Preis, St. Louis, MissouriI can't believe so few people have a sense of humor about politics. Really folks, it was just a joke, take it easy. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7849Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:17:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7849Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa "Politics of Blood"...As the dejected Republigawa Samurai MiCaino, announces his intent to commit Hara Kiri, the courtyard begins to murmur. The Warrior Code or Bushido (as opposed to the Wimp Code or Bushidon't), is precise in its' rules for this sort of thing. His best friend, called Haishaku Nin, will lop off his head after he has shown Good Form in his Seppuku(belly cut). If the friend isn't available, someone from Swift Junks for Truth will do it. (Not all Samurai can do the Seppuku...if Hastert-san wanted to, he would need a Whale Flensing knife...not good form.) A little theatre may be presented for the assembled crowd, featuring men in the roles of women (Republigawa Samurai have a history of Misogyny). MiCaino may tell his life story if he wants to, emphasizing the reason for the Hara Kiri, loss of status, influence, Viagra presciption, his sense of humor, etc. The Shogun, Dubyagawa, will announce what a relief it will be to get rid of him, as the Top Geisha, "Makeiko" (played by Foley-san) will hand him a dirty note telling him to start. If he hesitates, a clown named Ninja Rummo, will prod him with insults to his honor, like 'Big Shot War Hero! Prisoner of War!' etc. Once the first cut is made, the Ceremonial Toady, a eunuch named Rovu, shuffles around behind the throng whispering that the threat is not over and more should step up to do the act. As the sun sets on the courtyard, the sound of the Demogawa Army approaching drives all inside to a flurry of blades. The rising sun finds the new Shogun, Bitcho, (Hillary-san) standing amidst the bloody mountain of headless Republigawa Ronin. She announces that from then on, all Samurai will be Women. As she takes the final heads from the Monk, Zenwimpo (Cheney-san), and the cowering Shogun, Dubyagawa...The End is scrolled up in chicken scratch characters.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7850Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:17:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7850Flaming liberalSaying he'd be better off dead than live with a Democrat-controlled Congress is a pathetic thing, and so are all you !!!holes saying "it's just a joke," or "you're worse than he is for enjoying it." Mark from Idaho - I vote for you. Your state still full of neo Nazis?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7851Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:17:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7851Mike, DetroitRemember when there was actually talk once about McCain on the Democratic ticket for VP, and that actually sounded plausible? He's committing suicide alright, political suicide. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7852Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:18:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7852ValSpeaking as a person who recently lost a family member to suicide, all I can say is "shame on you, Mr. McCain!" Suicide is painful enough for those of us left behind, but when you make light of a subject and jokingly say something like this, then you are a moron who doesn't deserve to be in office.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7854Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:23:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7854Lee Steele"In reading this garbage, I begin to understand how many nuts, kooks, idiots, etc. there are in this country. Kinda scary !!" Now you know how us sane people have felt for 8 years of Republican idiocy and war profiteering. Welcome to the New American Fascism, where I'm sure you'll feel right at home.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7858Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:27:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7858Vince RinehartHa, I used to think that Mccain was a thoughtful man who did not play politics that well but had some common sense. Recently, he has used the media to get attention then buckled to the far right Bush regime. His suicide statement just proved that he is just another old school Republican who is unable to accept change and certainly not presidential material. No moderate vote coming at you from this end, John!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7859Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:28:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7859Brandon Makoroff, Los Angeles, CaChad, you stated that McCain went against Bush on the Torture problem. You had better read the law, which states that they can still be tortured, so tell me how he went against Bush. All that was done was that he tried to show he was a middle of the roader (probably by orders from Rove). Also tell me what is so good about the death of Heabus Corpus. Let me know if someone knocks on your door and states your are an enemy of the state and are still under arrest 30 years from now. MCCAIN HAS SOLD HIS SOUL TO BE ABLE TO RUN AS A REPUBLICAN FOR PRESIDENT.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7860Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:30:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7860Kelly, Kannapolis, NCCome on people. Have none of you ever said that about something just joking? Or have you never said to someone "I'll kill you if you do that."? Did you mean it literally? No. It is just a figure of speech. Personally I think all politicians are jerks no matter what party they are in. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7861Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:31:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7861Dave, CaliforniaIf McCain had more self-respect, he'd part ways more decisively with this administration, which ran a very nasty unfair campaign against him in the 2000 primaries.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7862Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:33:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7862Andrew, Cincinnati, OHHey Chad, put down the Kool-Aid and slowly back away.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7863Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:33:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7863KC, Charlotte, NCWhy does everyone get offended at everything now days? Soon we will not be able to say anything.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7864Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:34:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7864cisco kidI wish we could clean Washington D.C. up completely. They are just a gang doing business to make money and little help to the regular folks. Voting to go to war in Iraq for contractual business is a crime and McCain knows that but he is part of the gang. He can do whatever he wants, I don't care.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7866Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:34:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7866James T. SwaggartWhy are these guys cracking jokes and acting so smug prior to the election? It's in the bag! Thanks Diebold! If(WHEN) they win, they'll say it's because REAL Americans are conecrned about TERROR and SECURITY. "They people have spoken!" No need for an investigation. Our DEMOCRACY is a JOKE -- we've got what we deserve and have failed the world.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7867Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:37:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7867BJ, MNWe will miss him ;)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7868Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:41:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7868Sherry, Atlanta, GAMcCain is just another Bush-licker... good riddance in '08!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7870Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:46:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7870Eric, Mesa, AZPlease cry more? It was a joke... get over it... http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7872Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:48:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7872Jennie-Lynn, Pittsburgh PAOh so professional...what a ridiculous statement! Desperation sits in!!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7873Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:48:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7873Colleen, ChicagoHA HA HA!!!! Talk about kicking yourself in the ass! I knew ALOT of Democrats (not myself- Oh God NO!) that would have voted for McCain in the next presidential election, but he basically insulted them all last night. Now he won't get the conservative Democrat or the conservative Republican vote- how will he ever be president? KEEP IT UP REPUBLICANS!!! Crashing and burning....your party that is....http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7878Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:54:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7878Jeremy W., Central, Texas McCain is no different from any other career policitian. He will say whatever gets him the most votes. I have never been a fan of the Republicans nor have I traditionally liked the extreem left wing democrats. McCain and Rudy Julliani were the only two proclaimed republicans I could admire. Now there is just one. Stupid #$@king Politicians. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7879Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:57:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7879Don Wilson, Portland, ORI had attached a comment earlier today and checked back to see the flow of conversation. The comment trail is combative, ugly and partisan, and reflects – I believe - a general dissatisfaction with the present course of the Nation. The question is whether McCain, following his suicide comment, should/could be considered a suitable candidate for President of the US. Although I think not, an explanation is in order. Myself, I am politically conflicted in that I believe in fiscal responsibility, a social contract, national defense and a strong military, and education as our global economic security. These are mostly liberal causes, and I am comfortable with my beliefs. That McCain endured torture as a prisoner of war and that he survived is a fact. Whether he entertained notions of suicide during that imprisonment, I have no idea. He survived, but in today’s political climate a critic might explain his survival by a lack of opportunity while a supporter would speak to a force of personality. I do believe that if I had been the captive, I would have been changed in only ways my family would discern and probably not for the better. In his ability to overcome these unnamed and unknown obstacles, I applaud him. I do know that during the last Presidential campaign, he received Republican ridicule regarding his wife and adopted child. That he later publicly embraced those who defamed him is my McCain problem. The suicide comment is only the attractant which allows us to refocus our attention on the man and his published beliefs. McCain in ‘08, I think not. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7880Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:58:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7880sharon blake, dekalb, ilThere is nothing funny about suicide, especially to those of us who have lost someone to this devastating end. Sen. McCain needs to apologize!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7885Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:02:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7885carol, napa valley, caI don't think suicide is levity materialhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7888Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:07:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7888Michael Long, Chicago, ILDemopublicans and Republicrats LISTEN! Until we as a nation use our PRIDE and HISTORY as a PEOPLE to not look to the government for answers we will be lost. Lost Liberty, Rights,Privacy (oh sorry, that one's not in the constitution specifically) Find the best person for the job and vote for them! (That's more than likely not me or you) Refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils! We do not have to vote for the one who wins, we need to search to find and vote for a good candidate. AND DEMAND A RECEIPT FOR RECOUNT PURPOSES! THIS IS OUR GOVERNMENT! VOTE! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7889Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:08:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7889!"Please cry more? It was a joke... get over it... " haha - the joke's in the White House.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7890Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:10:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7890Not Rep or DemAlmost all politicians get into politics at least initially for the right reasons no matter what party they are in. They stay in politics for their greed and power. All of them, Dems & Reps.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7894Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:17:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7894Chad Jackson, Nashville, TNResponding to: Brandon Makoroff, Los Angeles, Ca - Actually, I didn't say McCain was against Bush on the "torture problem;" rather, he is disagrees with Bush on the interpretation of the Geneva Conventions, which involves torture. If, however, you read the actual positions, you will see that one of the reasons McCain disagrees with Bush is that Bush's intrepretation would likely give an excuse to other countries to "torture" our troops. That's not kosher and that's the main reason why McCain (and other independent thinkers) oppose Bush's interpretation. Oh, and no one will be knocking on my door accusing me of being an enemy of the State, for I have done nothing to remotely indicate that...so, what are you so worried about?!? Responding to: Andrew, Cincinnati, OH - You should know from my comments that I am not in the Kool-Aid camp. I'm surprised by that because the rest of your comments make you sound like a fair and rational person. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7895Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:17:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7895Bob. Lipsett Sr.John McCain, you lost it when you caved to Karl Rove and the Cheney/Bush machine in 2000. They did to you the same that they did to Ann Richards of TX for governor in '94. (Sleazy dirty tricks.) Remember South Carolina? Now with the signing statements on your "Torture" bill and the wire tapping, tracking of money, foreign detention cell, the venting of a CIA agent for a bogus investigation (By Patrick Fitzgerald) just to cover their back end of this administration for surpressing information that was available, that would and should have prevented the WTC disaster, through "Able Danger" of the pre-911 intellegence. That information Rep. Curt Weldon tried to present but, he wasn't with the program. The Administration labeled him just as they labeled we who opposed this insane illegal invasion, UN-AMERICAN and UNPATRIOTIC as they did to Max Cleland of GA. Who investigated Judy Miller of the New York Times about the bogus information about stockpiles of WMDs that Saddam Hussein was said to have and who investigated Ahmad Chalibi for the false information spread around the Globe by the Pentagon, which was the real reason to legilimize this illegal invasion. You and the rest of your cronies have just sold "MY" country out by revamping the Geneva Conference. Whats to stop other countries from disregarding the Geneva Conference. The only rush to get this into law was the Internation Community was ready to indite him for war crimes. Anyone could be hauled off the street and held for saying anything against the government, with out the Habius Corpus to defend ourselves and be held as a enemy combatant. Further more, this President and this corrupt administratuion can declare any situation they want as a threat to this country for any reason that they desire and declare "Martial Law". Think John McCain about suicide, would you enjoy living under a "Martial Law" or under a Democratic administration. North Korea would have been settled in 2001 if only this two-gun cowboy had listened instead of boosting he was the owner of the world. Three words were all that was necessary back then but, the Texas-Two-Stepper along has forced confrontation rather than cooperation. Think McCain "NO HOSTILE INTENT" and Clinton "DID" shut down the pace N. Korea was going as Robert Novak told Kate O'berine on "Capital Gang" that if not for Clinton, N. Korea would have 10 to 15 nuclear weapons. Incidently Kate O'Berines husband (Jim O'Berine) political hand picked person to form the Coalition Provincial Authority (CPA) in Iraq without any qualifications.And you can see by the results of L. Paul Bremmer and Mr. O'Berine lack of understanding that has now produced 2,774 military dead and 21,500+ wounded. On this 1,285 day since "Mission Accomplished" in this insane war we are no closer of winning than ever. Watch Keith Olbermann on countdown (10 Oct. '06) and see his responce to the latest law signed by this jackass. Only Lincoln Chaffee, R-RI had the guts to vote against "The Military Commission Act of 2006 while 12 Democratic were spineless (Robert Mendez, Ben Nelson, Bill Nelson etc;) for voting with the Republicans. Once there was a movie titled "Seven Days in May" it was about the military taking control of our government, little did I know, that it would be Cheney/Bush who militaryized our government. Like the saying goes if you vote Republican, you should bend down grab your ankles, put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodby.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7896Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:18:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7896joeMcCain doesn't get it. A majority in this country want a change in Washington. Many of those who seek that change are moderates who have supported McCain in the past. Now he goes and insults them, by stating (albeit by joke) that he rather commit suicide than see the Democrats in charge. The implication is that these people are wrong and stupid to want change and that it would be so terrible for the country if the will of the people was followed that one should contemplate the unthinkable. Thanks Senator for the attempt at humor, but you just alienated half the electorate with your stupid comment. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7897Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:24:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7897fox news is retarded, GeorgiaIt has been a sad thing to watch McCain lose all his integrity by sucking up to Rove/Bush after they belittled and humiliated him. Why he or any Republican would support Bush after what those cowards did to a former POW is sick.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7898Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:24:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7898LEA64 RURAL INDIANAIn 1982 President Reagan wanted to make ketchup a vegetable for school lunches. This mentality was also evident in the hardship economic disaster we faced then UNTIL a democrat took office years later.........but before then my dad put a bullet in his head because no jobs, no income, suicide is real funny...aint it?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7905Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:36:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7905Rick, Winston Salem, NCMcCain is welcome to pull the trigger any time he wants. Did you see his stunned look when all of those flag waving faux patriots that support the war in Iraq sat down when asked how many of them would "paticipate" in the war...that was as telling as anything about the right. Big talkers little walkers.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7907Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:38:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7907RichardDon, Are you really surprised that the comments are "ugly, combative, and partisan?" Before Gingrich and his "Contract with America" there was always an undercurrent of bipartisanship in DC, because no one in office was an ideological extremist, and that was the way to get things done. But then the Republicans swept to power, and decided that they didn't need to listen to or cooperate with anyone; their first official act as the majority party in Congress was to impeach a popular president for getting a blow job! Since then, we have seen the GOP become ever more extremist, arrogant, and downright mean -- culminating in an adminstration composed of arrogant, incompetent bullies and thugs who spit on scientific progress to secure votes from a bunch of wild-eyed, right wing Christian extremists who are no different in principle from the "Islamofascists" we are allegedly fighting. Civil discourse long ago died in this country -- murdered by Republicans who make asinine statements like, "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists." At one time, disagreement with policy was called democracy; now it's called treason. Yet we have a president who swore to "protect and defend the Constitution," and has spent the last 6 years trying to dismantle it at every turn. On the plus side, I am delighted to see that the majority of comments here are pro-Democratic and anti-GOP. That proves to me what I've always believed: that the blow-hards in the coporate-controlled media -- idiots like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Scarborough, and Coulter -- do NOT represent the majority opinion in this country, and haven't for a LONG time. Jefferson said that when a government no longer represents the best interests of its people, it becomes their duty to remove it, and replace it with one that does. The Republican majority long ago stopped representing the interests of all but the most wealthy and privileged in this country -- and on election day the American people will exercise their sacred duty, and will remove this government and replace it with a Democratic majority.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7908Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:39:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7908Harold Chattaway, Ashby, MAI have become disappointed with Sen McCain. Last week when he as blaming North Korea on Bill Clinton, I was shocked. A Republican has been in office for 6 years, they have control over the House and Senate and he blames Clinton! Is that the new "The Buck stops here!" form of Republican responsibility? Jeez. When Bush labeled them the "Axis of Evil", he took full ownership of what was going to happen.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7910Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:41:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7910Barbara, SIlver Spring MDIf Senator McCain thinks it's a joke to use the issue of suicide to make a political point, he has more problems than just being a Bush Republican. It's not funny to anyone who has lost a friend or loved one to suicide (for me it was my dad), which would be a lot of people in this country. Like many who have posted to this, I just lost any respect I might have had for McCain - any that was left after he agreed to the "compromise" on the Military Commissions Act. What a jerk!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7912Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:43:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7912Barbara, Tullahoma, TNLast night the TV show "Seconds From Disaster" presented the USS Forrestal (again). The Forrestal was an aircraft carrier that had a missile explode on the flight deck, resulting in near total disaster during the Vietnam un-war. It was total conflagration, resulting in 181 deaths, many injuries and many still missing to this day. The carrier very nearly sunk. The strange part is that McCain was one of the pilots actually sitting in a plane on the flight deck when this happened, and last night's show made no mention that he was onboard, although he was one of the injured, eventually recovering enough to fly and get shot down over Vietnam. I have seen similar documentaries, including McCain's biography. All mention his presence that day, because he was the one name you would immediately recognize. If history has been sanitized, I suggest it is because this Republican administration does not value military service unless someone else is performing it, (insert lies about "swiftboat" heroes here). Maybe McCain has seen the light and decided to conform to his Master's rules. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7921Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:50:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7921C Jordan, Thomasville, GAMessage to: "Fox news is retarded." I posted a message at 1:58pm about the work I and some volunteers did back in 2000 to get mcCain elected. It's ironic that so many who consider him a sellout today did so little to get him elected in 2000. When McCain was speaking his mind in 2000, his so-called supporters did little. He couldn't count on them in 2000 and he'd be foolish to speak his mind today thinking today these people will show up on election day--they won't. It didn't work in 2000, it won't work today. Read my (C Jordan) message from 1:58pm. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7925Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:55:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7925Ken, MNFor those saying "It was a joke, get over it," you don't know anything about recovering from a suicide. If McCain said, "I think I will do a Terri Schiavo" would you still say "get over it"? or would you be incensed? Think about it.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7926Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:57:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7926Grandma Linda, Wis.Add me to the 99% of people responding to this report feeling disappointed and let down by this man. As a Progressive Grandmother, I had admired Senator McCain, and at one time thought that if there was any Republican I could vote for, it would be him. His latest comment (or joke) did not swing this for me, it was his pandering to Bush of late, that did it. Such disappointment, there are no words to convey my sadness about this man's about-face in order to garner the Right Wing vote. Some of you in your 40's are saying you have never seen anything like this administration; imagine being in your sixties and finding yourself saying this same thing! Where is my country? I want it back!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7927Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:00:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7927C Jordan thomasville GAI think it totally misplaced to make more of McCain's role than necessary on the USS Forrestal. As you say, he happened to be a pilot that day (like many other pilots). Based on what I've read he played no major role in the the disaster. To hype his name would detract from actions of others some of whom played a major role on saving the Forrestal. That's not to say he did anything wrong; its just he didn't do anything "special" Hyping his role on the Forrestal would be kin to hyping his name on a TV special about ALL pow's; by featuring his captivity at the expense of the recognizing the sacrifice of POW's. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7928Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:06:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7928MattI hear ya all rippin on the guy. Yea he's suckin up now and it makes me sick that he thinks he has to! I met the man in person and 6 years ago he was a straight talker. His own party shut him up and basically told him that fi you want your ideas and leadership to get a chance you'll have to shut up or talk the talk at least. So he is and it makes me sick! I know if he had not been squashed by the bible thumpers (who by the way it seem got really screwed by their annointed liar Bush)this country would be so much better off! I firmly believe for good reason Bush triggered the dormant 911 plan that sat around for a decade. Not that he did it himself but he asked for it! His "bring it on" foriegn policy made it happen. You guys are the nuts if you think a silly funny comment should sway your vote! I am not saying that McCain isn't tainted at this point by the right but if you think he's been turned then you havn't heard Rush Limpdog trash him have you! Anyone Limpdog trashes still has a mind and is worth at least considering!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7929Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:06:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7929Jeff, Knoxville, TNThere are some things that you don't joke about if you're fit to be a leader. McCain is clearly not fit to lead, not fit to bring this country together after too many years of division.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7930Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:07:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7930Phil Brader (don't use my last name, please)To most of you who have responded: Senator McCain could have selected a better way to inject humor in our super-critical, maximum-politically-correct, and, yes, totally self-absorbed American society. But, to those of you who have also crossed the line with your hateful rhetoric, pathetic wit, and self-absorption, you may want to consider that Senator McCain spent 5 years in a VC prison and most of his life in country service ---- FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. I suspect most of you didn't & haven't. Whether or not you agree with his politics, McCain is a patriot and US Senator who deserves respect. We Americans no longer connect responsibility and respect with freedom of speech. We also have so much and expect so much more. Shame on us. If you don't like McCain, participate in getting him un-elected. But please, spare us your vitriolic rant --- unless, of course, you make your living producing political ads. And, finally, "wake up". Most of the world wants to "eat our lunch". You may want to give some thought to who has the unpleasant job of doing YOUR fighting, and guarding YOUR lunch. phil, austin, tx http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7934Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:17:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7934Mary Seattle, WAI hope he stays the course when the dems win!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7935Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:22:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7935JRIf you people don't lighten up, I'm going to kill myself.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7937Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:23:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7937glen coltonI think ol' John did commit suicide- political suicide, at least. This ranks right up there with the Howard Dean "yeeeaaahhhhhaaaa" deal in Iowa before, and look how that stuck to him!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7938Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:24:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7938Desiree, Phoenix ArizonaGet over it, it was a joke, you liberals take everything so seriously. Even if I wanted to be liberal, I couldn't because they don't allow anyone with a sense of humor or even a personality for that matter. McCain is closer to a Demicrat than a Republican and he lied through his teeth about being captured. I only voted for him because I don't want Nancy Pelosi to become house speaker. Listen to Sean Hannity! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7939Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:24:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7939Dems R. Losers Lake Have-a-Clue, WAYou whiny liberals need to get some new material. Even you all should be tired of listening to yourselves. You make anyone with mind want to commit suicide just listening to your inane drivel.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7942Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:29:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7942Colleen, ChicagoHey Phil Brader, are you in the armed services? Do you think that everyone in the armed services are Republicans? I know plenty who are not! Do you consider them patriots too? http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7944Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:30:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7944Colleen, ChicagoLiberals have no sense of humor? Tell that to John Stewart and Stephen Colbert.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7947Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:34:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7947!Who's whining, here? The morons defending the architects of a police state, but you wouldn't care about that - you proud conservatives are waaaaay too busy fixing another election to protect your American way. Hypocrites.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7949Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:35:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7949Desiree, Phoenix ArizonaI can see things from both sides but liberals don't listen to anyone, and when they actually allow someone to speak they come back with not arguements, but name calling, accusations and three-year old behavior. I'd like to be in a debate with a liberal that actually has a plan.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7950Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:38:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7950JRYes, listen to Sean Hannity. Sean Hannity asks the questions others are too smart to ask!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7952Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:38:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7952Vicky, San Diego, CAMcCain DID have my respect, though probably not my vote, before his remarks on a not so funny subject. But, if that's what he chooses to do, I hope he throws a party and invites all the others who pretend to care about the citizens of our country to join him. ______________________ As to the remarks of some on this blog, like: "It never ceases to amaze me that all of the enlightened, smarter than thou Dem's reduce themselves to barbary as soon as someone not on their side errs or criticizes the beloved Clintons. Shame on all of you for your death wishes. You're nothing more than ignorant, angry savages with suspect education. It makes it tough to vote Dem when I think I'll be coupled with people who have the same personality as the people they claim to hate! Why, because they look just like you in the ideological mirror?!" "Ignorant, angry SAVAGES"... GET A CLUE!! Why is it that right-leaning types need to call people names to get their point accross, instead of focusing on the facts that stare them in the face? Let's see... Clinton got a blow job, and Bush started an illegal war on a country that was of no physical threat to the U.S... your point is? Maybe YOU should join the koolaid party instead of voting in November, then you won't have to "couple with" anybody besides those that believe the BS!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7954Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:40:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7954Polly, San Ramona, CAThat wasn't humor. That was just stupid. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7956Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:41:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7956Steve, Canandaigua, New YorkMcCain, you phony whiny pasty-faced dork, you commited suicide decades ago -- there's about as much genuine and authentic human being in you as there is courage and compassion in your dark side center-stage jerk ring master Kingzie-Dingzie aka Richard III GW Bush, the first most accomplished sociopath of the last planet earth century 21st. You commited suicide, you coward and fraud, the moment you betrayed Life in this part of the universe and joined up with the Thanatos Circus from Hell called the Republican Party. You died eons ago, Johnny Boy. Now, how about getting out of the way and allowing a few folks to live without your stink and the despair you leave us with, your soul pledged to monsters and villains who never had souls to begin with.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7957Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:42:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7957Lee Steele"You make anyone with mind want to commit suicide just listening to your inane drivel." Then you're safe.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7960Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:47:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7960James T. SwaggartDesiree, from the Latin for "moron." He "lied through his teeth about being captured?" Are you serious? I think he's a total sellout, but you're a total nut case. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7962Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:50:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7962Mary M. Cumberland, RILook I knew McCain is trying to buddy up to the carl Rove group. But Senator McCain you have just lost another independent's vote for the 2008 pres. election. You say you disagree w/ Pres. Bush on torture, but yet you did not complain when Bush signed away the rights of all people to be treated with decency. Shame on you John Mccain. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7963Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:51:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7963James T. SwaggartHey, Phil Brader (don't use my last name, please) from Austin, TX, A vet who served honorably deserves respect, I agree, but why in the world does a Senator deserve any respect when he's been nothing but a kiss-up and a yes-man? Give me a break -- respect is earned, it's not an entitlement.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7964Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:51:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7964Colleen, ChicagoHey Desiree, debate me! Yes, I might not be a politican, but neither are you. Let's go,... Anyone an independent out there? You can pose the first question.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7965Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:52:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7965Chad JI hope this will be the last time I post anything. First, I must say I agree with everything C Jordan has said. Second, Desiree's comment that McCain "lied through his teeth about being captured" is extremely troubling since I know of absolutely no proof (or even unfounded speculation) to support such an absurd statement. I even think most of the people posting messages contrary to McCain would agree that all indications are that he was captured and that he suffered a lot, like so many other prisoners of war. Finally, I must admit that JR's comment made me laugh. I suppose, according to what I've read on here today, that JR's comments are okay since he is not a politician. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7966Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:57:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7966James T. SwaggartDesiree, "I can see things from both sides but liberals don't listen to anyone, and when they actually allow someone to speak they come back with not arguements, but name calling, accusations and three-year old behavior." That's because the stuff you say is so ridiculous we're left with little else to do. But allow me to apologize for calling you a moron. I'd be happy to let someone else do it for me.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7968Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:59:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7968Mary M. Cumberland, RIJohn McCain was one of a few republicans I had Liked. But now that he has sold out to the Bush political Machine, he no longer will get my vote in November 2008.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7970Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:59:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7970Matt, Somewhere, MOThis is for Desiree in Phoenix. Interestingly enough, your description of Democrat behavior is exactly what we have witnessed from the Republicans for over a decade now. As for having a plan, continuing on the same path is not a plan. Refusing to reassess the situation is not a plan. Changing directions after realizing mistakes is what defines great leaders. Refusing to admit mistakes is what defines failures. I'm tired of Republicans saying that Democrats don't have a plan to get us out of this mess that they put us in. We should never have gotten to this point.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7971Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:00:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7971Chris Bergman, Atlanta GAWhen so many young men and women are dying against their will in Iraq, I cannot believe that John McCain thought it would be funny to make a joke about committing suicide if (when) the Dems take control after the election. Hey, I have an idea! If he wants to kill himself, why not just sign up for a tour of duty in Iraq instead. Plenty of dying going on there. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7972Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:01:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7972Cynthia Johnson, Lewiston, IdahoI am appalled that John McClain would make that statement, even in jest. Apparently he doesn't know anyone who has lost a loved one to suicide nor is he aware of a friend who has considered suicide. Joking about suicide is like joking about the Iraq war & a person who has been horribly injured (or killed). His lack of empathy & judgment is frightening. Please reconsider your support of a man who thinks it was okay to make light of someone elses suffering. This statement isn't about politics, it's about a man who is ignorant and owes the world an appology.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7973Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:01:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7973foxnewsisretardedC Jordan, you misunderestimated me. I wouldn't have supported McCain then and I won't now. I just can't believe what a sellout he is now.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7974Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:05:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7974Desiree, Phoenix ArizonaThank you for proving my point when I said that liberals have no arguments just name calling and three-year old behavior. Also, no willingness to be open to other ideas or possibilities.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7977Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:08:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7977ggDear Phil Brader (don't use my last name, please), let me guess--Bush republican?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7980Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:20:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7980!"Also, no willingness to be open to other ideas or possibilities. " Like WHAT, you idiot? Staying in Iraq for 40 more years? Taxing the middle class out of existance? Shredding the Constitution? Putting health care out of reach? Just exactly WHAT new idea is it that we will have no part of? Put up or shut up.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7983Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:30:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7983Colleen, ChicagoDesiree, I reiterate- I will debate you, and I promise no name calling. Are there really no independents on this blog who would like to pose us a question to debate? Then we could get our differences out in the open and the Republicans can stop saying that Democrats will not answer their questions with concrete answers. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7984Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:32:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7984Juliana Jaegerfoxnewsisretarded hit the nail on the head.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7986Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:42:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7986Nikki, AnchorageHe is an embarrassment to his party. Suicide is not a joke, nor is it "a pretty good line" as he said. I didn't like him in the first place, now I have another reason not to. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7987Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:43:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7987Vicky San Diego, CATo Colleen, RE: Desiree... Question #1. Where is Binladen? Question #2. What did Iraq have to do with 9/11? Question #3. Where are the WMD's? But you know... you'll just get the same old rhetoric that people who have been brainwashed and still believe the administration's excuses have been giving since the beginning! (And expect name calling, regardless of the 'rules of debate'... the rules have been re-written, remember!)http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7988Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:44:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7988Sherry, MarylandShould the Democrats succeed in taking control of Congress, I don't expect McCain to live up to those words. But I do think he should resign from the Senate since the prospect of working within a two-party system has become so alien to him that he would joke about committing suicide should he be in a position where he would have to work with the opposing party. Jokes about suicide are not funny under any circumstances.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7995Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:10:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7995KC, Las Cruces, New MexicoDoesn't everyone misspeak occasionally? He hastily expressed how much he wants the Republicans to retain the Senate and it came out as insensitive and offensive to some. It was innappropriate and I think he realizes it. I haven't decided for 2008 but this mistake doesn't hurt McCain in my opinion. Everybody says hasty things that they regret. History has shown that it is not unpresidential to misspeak occasionally.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#7999Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:20:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:7999Desiree, Phoenix ArizonaVicky, I couldn't tell you where Bin Laden is. We're in Iraq because they were harboring the terrorist that caused 9/11, not because of oil. We have oil here that Bush could drill. If Bush were to do nothing after 9/11 the out cry would have been much greater than it is now. What would you have done after 9/11? Talking isn't going to solve everything. It's really sad that we can't get along, it's always about cutting throats and all that. Just because we don't agree doesn't mean that you have to lash out. Bush has shown nothing to suggest that he's hiding anything and yes, he doesn't speak very well, but I don't think bashing him is any way to show patriotism. I didn't agree with anything Clinton did but I respected him because he was an elected President and I was taught to respect people in general. I didn't vote then because I'm only 20 years old. One of very few "young" people that actually takes interest in politics and doesn't vote a certain way because "That's the way Brad Pitt's voting". I believe celebrities and musicians should keep their mouths shut because narrow minded teenagers are going to listen becasue celebrity has a death grip on America. By the way, who are you going to blame for gas prices falling, the great economy, the Dow closing at 12000 for the first time ever, and the tax cuts? I gurantee you won't blame Bush, he only gets credit for the bad things. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8001Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:26:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8001Lee Steele(1) Why did Bush disband the unit hunting for Bin Laden? Did he get over his grudge? (2) Even though Bush himself has stated on several occasions that Sadam had othing to do with 9/11, why does Chicken Dick still use both in the same sentence several times per speech? (Follow up) And why do so many right wingers still think there IS a connection? (3) Why do right wingers so pathologically parrot the same few phrases, i.e., Democrats have no ideas, Democrats want us to lose in Iraq, Democrats can't protect this country....etc., if they have ANY interest in dialogue? (4) WHy is the right so blind to their own hypocricy, such as: any poster bemoaning the suicide remark "has no sense of humor," but anyony here joining in (can I loan you my second amendment?) is an awful heathen, full of hate? (5) Last, why do chicken hawk coward draft dodging right wingers think liberals wont eventually get sick of it and grab them by their collective necks? I know Rove has trained you well, but do not kid yourself: Only George W. Bush has given a Bronze Star to a soldier who was catured without firing a shot. (No offence Pvt. - you were a good soldier.) Kerry didn't get his by being a coward, or Max Cleland or Murtha - the list goes on. It's the right wingers with a history of hide and go seek when there was fighting to be done - not the liberals. I anxiously await your thoughtful reply. To Colleen, RE: Desiree... Question #1. Where is Binladen? Question #2. What did Iraq have to do with 9/11? Question #3. Where are the WMD's? But you know... you'll just get the same old rhetoric that people who have been brainwashed and still believe the administration's excuses have been giving since the beginning! (And expect name calling, regardless of the 'rules of debate'... the rules have been re-written, remember!) http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8003Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:28:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8003SG Mississippi Gulf CoastI did not find John McCain's suicide "joke" funny. Does he really think that suicide is something that is taken lightly, by survivors of suicide (friends and relatives left behind, AND those that actually survive an attempt), or by those that actually do it? Does he really think it's funny to see persons in that much angst that suicide is an option for them? He'd have to to think that comment was funny, or just "levity." As a person that has recovered from an suicide attempt, he further lost my respect. Before, I just didn't like him much, once he started towing the "Bush party line." I also don't find it humorous that some on this board would actually help him do it, or otherwise wish him dead. Also, all this wishing others dead is a glaring indicator of what our society has become: self serving at all costs. It's a shame, people, really. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8004Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:33:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8004Rasputin (don't print)Wow. Guess I'm outed. Damn technology. (I just didn't want to have to change my phone number.) To my new public & gg, I am neither R or D. I'm just a concerned senior --- really concerned for my grandsons. But, I certainly err to the Right when it comes to defense. I will say, however, I refuse to join the ever-increasing ranks of rabid, babbling Americans who complain about almost everything. If our government is not effective, it is WE the citizens who are ultimately accountable. Coleen: I think anyone who puts on a USA uniform and serves is a patriot. And, patriots, like citizens, come in all flavors and political persuasions. God Bless America and, for sure, God Bless the patriots. Over & out, phil, austin (don't use my last name) http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8007Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:37:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8007Here it is, folks - the problem"We're in Iraq because they were harboring the terrorist that caused 9/11" Oh. My. God. THIS is way dialogue isn't possible. Desiree, I was in the navy, and I carried a fair amount of zinc blocks, lead weights and even some HY-80 high-density hull steel one time, and every bit of it could have understood by now that IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. You seem to support George W. Bush - have you ever listened to anything he said? and this: "Bush has shown nothing to suggest that he's hiding anything" - I gauge it's simply a waist of time to try to tell you anything. You - with all your "Liberals wont listen" BS. You don't even care if Bush says something you don't want to know - you don't listen. (They love that - when I'm being interrogated I'll mention you for a Medal of Freedom.) You are the Faith-based Presidency Party.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8010Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:41:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8010Mary M. Cumberland, RIDo we really need senator McCain to use the suicide phrase as a bit of humor?? If this is the best the Republicans can do, in their time of dismay. It was OK in 1994 for the power to shift to the Republicans. As Americans don't we realize that in Washington DC. we are supposed to have checks and balances on each of the 3 branches of government.Seethe result of 6yrs. of repl. controlling all 3 branches of the federal government. Does the Karl Rove crew think we are going to go for that cut and run line anymore. Americans are informed voters, they will not be fooled by the W. bush political machine again. If the USA keeps all 3 govt. branches as repl. this November then they will deserve what the results are.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8011Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:47:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8011Desiree, Phoenix ArizonaLee, read my response to Vicky and actually read it. I actaully read yours and I find it very hateful. If you don't like what I have to say, sue me, I'm sure you're buddy buddy with the ACLU, it wouldn't be a far fetched case for them. Hmm, sueing someone for disagreeing, having different views, now there's a lawsuit! I constructed my views on my own, yes I listened to talk radio but I also listened to friends that were Democrats. I formed my opinion on that experience. The next thing you're going to call me is a redneck. If I'm brainwashed, then you too are brainwashed. All of your questions were all opinon based, no real questions. Why do left wingers always rehash the same stuff also? I didn't see Clinton in that list of people who served? He was in London protesting. You don't have to serve to declare war. Honestly, why should I be so scared to talk because something politically incorrect might come out. I don't worry about offending people, yes, people that hold office should because they'll be torn apart, which this proves. I don't associate with people that take offense of something so generic, so easily. They're not fun. Get over it!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8013Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:57:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8013LSDesiree - you shouldn't ever be scared to say what you want. Not in my America, and I'll see to it if I have to. Still, I don't think it's "rehashing" or "old news" to ask why Bush disbanded the unit hunting for Bin Laden, nor do I see you address it. Best.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8014Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:58:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8014Desiree, Phoenix Arizona"Here it is Folks", you didn't ready any of what I said other than the things you don't agree with, read it all. By the way, I don't agree with everything he's done. If I were to, I would be brain washed. I have a mind of my own, but I think it's unpatriotic to bad mouth Americans and the President, debate, disagree, but don't belittle someone because of what they believe... http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8016Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:11:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8016RickDesiree, You say you didn'vote then (in the Clinton-Dole election?) because you are only 20. So maybe you are now all of 26? I couldn't tell since you use past and present tense in the same sentence. Since you seem to be unaware of history, let me tell you a few of the many things liberals have got done that conservatives opposed. Social security, the 40 hour work week and then paying overtime, equal voting rights for citizens, Medicare and the list goes on and on. Liberals were in charge when we won World War II. Liberals can be trusted with national security. And you say you didn't agree with anything Clinton did? I trust that means you're against fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets? And as far as your bragging about gas prices - they've gone up $.20 this week here in Nebraska. I certainly see things differently than you do.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8017Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:12:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8017Mary M. Cumberland, RITo: Desiree in Arizona, as an American of course you have the right to state your opinion. But please tell me what your opinion of g. W. Bush recently signing a bill (once again saying he needs the power to keep us safe from terriosts.) A bill that limits if not ends the rights of us, yes Americans also, not to have Haitus corpus rights, anymore. It will now be up to gw. Bush or one of his disanatees to decide who has a right to a fair and timely trail, a lawyer, or if anyone is considered a Threat, forget the rights, Just try them in a tribunal. Does that sound like Mr. Bush is caring about the freedoms of laws, for his own USA citizens? To me it just sounds like President Bush, once again, is using the awful day, 9/11/ 2001, : as an excuse to expand Presidential powers? Tell me what is your opion on that?? sp. error opionion?????http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8020Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:27:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8020Colleen, Chicago"To Colleen, RE: Desiree... Question #1. Where is Binladen? Question #2. What did Iraq have to do with 9/11? Question #3. Where are the WMD's? But you know... you'll just get the same old rhetoric that people who have been brainwashed and still believe the administration's excuses have been giving since the beginning! (And expect name calling, regardless of the 'rules of debate'... the rules have been re-written, remember!)" Sorry, had to take a break from the old computer, but I am now back and ready... #1. Good question. Where is Bin Laden? Well, seeing that I am not an employee of the US Department of Defense, as well as the FBI or CIA, it is really difficult to answer that question because I do not have access to intelligence reports. My best guess- which is a result of various comments made by our government- is that he is in Pakistan. That answer is complete speculation, remember we were also told there were WMD's in Iraq. Unfortunately, when asked about the whereabouts of Bin Laden, our president responded that he just doesn't think about him too much. I want to reiterate that point- when the President of the United States of America was asked about the man who is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans, for carrying out the largest successful terrorist attack within the borders of our country, and partially to blame for the three year war we have endured as a result of our government's incorrect linking of his actions on 9/11 to Iraq- his answer was "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." (G.W. Bush, 3/13/02) #2. What did Iraq have to do with 9/11? Nothing. To try and link Sadaam Hussein with religious zealots is like trying to link Ted Kennedy with the religious right. Sadaam Hussein was a dictator and attempted to delete the Kurdish people much like Hitler tried to erase the Jews. He also killed Shiites because he thought they were responsible for trying to murder him. He is a very bad man, much like Kim Jong Il is a very bad man. He was not a friend of America. Even with this all said, he still had nothing to do with 9/11 or "Islamic Facisim", to use the Administration's our terminology. What Iraq did offer America was a target for our aggression while the campaign to find Bin Laden in Afghanistan failed. Iraq is also an oil rich country with countless opportunity for American buisnesses to make alot of money. Unfortunately, those buisnesses are making that money at the expense of the lives of thousands of our troops. #3. The WMD's are everywhere. We live in a post cold war era. The arms race that occurred during the cold war lead to an exponential increase of weapons of mass destruction. With the collapse of communism in Russia came a large black market for the weapons that country had developed. I believe that when people are afforded the opportunity to be relatively safe, feed their families, and house themselves they do not develop the anger that takes over one's soul and fuels violence- unfortunately is a difficult concept to grasp in a world where it seems as though the only way to make it is to step on everyone else. Just think of it from this perspective, if you felt that someone was benefitting from your suffering, what would you want to do to them? The best defense is a well planned offense. A well planned offense would include a direction towards humanatarian aid and education.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8021Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:28:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8021Colleen, ChicagoDesiree, why do you keep speaking of Bill Clinton? I didn't know he was still an integral part of the decision making in Washington DC.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8022Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:36:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8022Colleen, ChicagoDesiree, You are young, so I am going to give you a bit of advice. You say you don't care when you speak if you offend somebody, but people who don't think before they speak usually have to eat their words. If you display that kind of behavior in the workplace you will get fired. Your arguments fail to provide any supportive evidence to why this comment should not offend the loved ones who have lost someone to suicide. McCain chose to be a Senator, and with that job comes the perception that he is a mouthpiece for his constituency. Making insensitive comments such as this comment casts him in a light that is unbecoming of the postition he holds. His income is provided by the citizens of America, and he should be respectful of his employers. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8023Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:39:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8023Vicky San Diego, CADear Desiree... I'm 50, and I've got quite a few voting years behind me, as well as other corrupt administrations that I've learned from, and several constitutional rights I'm very passionate about. I "respect" only those who deserve it, and don't give a flip about Brad Pitt. But I'm glad to know you're interested in politics at your "young age". When I was 18, and had just been granted the right to vote (that's when our government rightly decided that if they could send you to die in Viet Nam, then maybe you should be given the right to vote) I PROUDLY signed my 1st petition... to IMPEACH NIXON, and I've been participating ever since. This is the most corrupt administration I've ever personally seen. Let's see... those in charge of the Saudi American... ooops... Saudi Arabian government are (and have been for quite some time) friends of the Bush family, and Saudi Arabi controls aprox. 7% of the American economy. Bush and his administration did NOTHING to HELP when gas prices were skyrocketing, including releasing some of the overflowing reserves our government holds. Oil companies have had numerous tax incentives, and RECORD profits delivered since Bush and his Republican puppets took over... don't you think they might want to make the people who help them profit look good? With profits like theirs, they can easily afford it till Nov. 7. Saudi Arabia is known to be a terrorist safe-house, and the country that the 9/11 hijackers originated from, not Iraq. I don't know where you get your information but the "great economy" you talk about isn't happening on this side of the planet. The Dow is reacting to the fall in gas prices, as well as investors anticipating a change in politics. I wouldn't be surprised if numerous "soon to be former congress members" aren't investing heavily as well... after all, they'll be out of a job soon... unless one of their buddies in "Big Business" pay them to lobby for their cause. I have not "lashed out" at anyone, and if you don't agree with the facts I've stated, that's your choice... enjoy your ignorance... I'm sure it's blissful!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8024Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:48:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8024SG Mississippi Gulf CoastDesiree, suicide isn't fun. I really, really wish people would stop thinking it is. It's nothing to joke about. That's one of those things society should get serious about. Suicide isn't a punchline, and those that think it is, I don't associate with. They SCARE me. Get over it!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8026Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:01:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8026Joe Private,Tampa,FloridaOh Senator McCain barks like he is an Independent Thinker....But he rolls over Every Time for GW !! Face it senator...you are inDeed a LAP DOG !!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8029Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:09:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8029John Koh, Wheaton, MD.best post - Steve Turner Cedar Falls Iowa (Sent Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:17 PM) nuff said http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8033Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:12:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8033Bill, San Jose, CaNot funny. Conveys a message that the dems winning back the house and senate will somehow make life not worth living. 2,754 dead,22,000+ permanently disabled,hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's dead,a sub-culture of permanently disabled people. Maybe some of those folks wanted to live or not be disabled Mr. McCain but Bush decided what was best for them.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8034Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:25:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8034Steve VandervortWon't the evagelicals have an issue with this? I mean, what about the sactity of life? This is going to affect his presidential aspirations.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8038Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:04:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8038Jane, Southern MississippiWhen I said McCain should prearrange his funeral arrangements, I was just joking. Ha! Ha! Ha! I have a wonderful sense of humor and I'm a democrat, imagine that?http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8039Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:15:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8039Jane, Southern MississippiRemember if you say something enough times, it will come true. We live in magical times. In this eerie world of King George and his court. And when you present your "truthiness," say it loud. Interrupt. Call the "others" names. Change right to left and up to down. Oh the magic of Bushland.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8046Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:08:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8046Bob Lipsett Sr.John McCain was actually joking with Cris Matthews about committing suicide but, (18 Oct. 2006) the real side is that he would rather be disassociated with this lying bunch of theives in this administration but, that is no excuse to blame what is taking place on someone else. Didn't or haven't the Republican been in the Majority for nearly 11 years? And haven't we had virtually no problems with N. Korea for nearly 60 years until Two Gun dodging a flight physcial wantabe CowBoy, so he wouldn't get qualified for high altitude combat experience in Vietman, came along to rattle the Nuclear vision he had to conquer the world. John McCain knew full well that the pre-911 information was valid and he was aware of the PDB of Aug.06,2001 as well as the PDB of July 10,2001. And where was this leader during Katrina and Rita. Let me tell you where he was the day of the Hurricane hit, he was at a photo-op in San Diego CA. with the back drop of the AirCraft Carrier USS Ronald Reagan on Aug. 29, 2005 telling the Navy what a wonderful job they did in WWII, while New Orleans was sinking. What a Guy!!!! This administration used this ocassion to start the legalization of the war on Iraq, which was planned for over 10 years by using Judy Miller of the New York Times to spread the story of WMDs that Saddam Hussein had stockpiled as compiled by the Pentagon and Ahmad Chalibi for to be spread the threat about Saddam Hussein. My question is of Judy Miller is how did you become so embedded with the Pentagon that allowed you to view top secret classified information? Patrick Fitzgerald sure blew this one by focusing of Vallerie Plame. The only real reason why we haven't won in Iraq is due to this administration "stay the course". In other words they (Iraqi)will get tired of fighting and then the USA and their 104 sq. mile Ultra Secret Colossal Embassy with 5 fully manned military bases with 100,000 troops will have complete control of the Middle East. Say like a permanent military presence in the Middle East region. I believe it is called "Compassionate Colonalism" as I will defend and rape you of your resources. Watch what happens after Oct 23rd when the Air Craft carrier Enterprise gets to the Persian Gulf. Should this nutcake, (Bush,Rumfield,Cheney) bomb Iran, then we would prepare for a situation unlike anything that Jimmy Carter face in 1979, instead of 53 held for 444 days we would look for the taking of 140,000 hostages by the entire Middle East. Lets just hope and pray that this isn't going to be the October Surprise. As I said before , with all this money for the quest of oil and position in this world this is the most dangerouis time in our history. Why is it that the leaders are saying, lets fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here. The reason they say this is because we have a bunch of chicken livered B........ who won't give up anything to support our troops. My daughter was in Desert Storm and although it didn't last as long as this "Operation Freedom" has. We here in the USA sent articles that our men and women didn't have to buy at KBR, Halliburton PX. Where is the spirit and courage that once made us great? Where is the spirit that anyone comes to our shores in a hostile manner we will disperse them quickly? All I see is a bunch of "Fear and Terrorist people crouching out of the way and are afraid to stand up for what is right. "AMERICANS" don't need a leader that makes us afraid of our own shadow. Isn't it time that we Americans start acting as Americans and won't be scared by "TNT Taxes and Terrorism" At 71 years old I'm ready for anyone who tries to take my, my children, my grandchildren and my great grand children freedom away. Like George W. said about the terrorist in Iraq, I will say to the Terrorist "Bring Em On" as we in America don't hide behind a flag or uniform.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8047Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:15:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8047Son of the American Revolution - you know where I liveWe should at least hold service for habeas corpus. I mean, 900 years is worth acknowledging. King George III (you remember him) didn't try to screw with habeas corpus. Thank you for protecting me by stealing my birthright and making me a stateless prisoner, president Cursed Monkey Paw.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8101Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:25:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8101Joe Gladden: White Bear Lake, MN Steve Turner of Iowa...you are Hilarious! http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8106Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:49:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8106Joe Gladden: White Bear Lake, MN My Lord! Look at all the FUSS Desiree of AZ is causing!! I didn't even know what a Desiree was until I looked it up in my trusty "Dick-tion-ary".....humm.....lets see here, ah yes...here it is..... "DESIREE", def. "A person walking around with Blinders on the size that would fit a very large Mule". http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8135Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:14:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8135Robin in RaleighOkay, here's another question for the Colleen/Desiree debate (actually, it's more of a chance to weigh-in on a prediction): How soon after the mid-term elections - whether the Dems take the Congress or not, but especially if the Dems succeed - will "Crawford's village idiot" (I LOVED that one!) push through an executive order lifting presidential term limits? He's not going to give up prime real estate THAT easily, and he already thinks that the rules don't apply to him. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8159Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:04:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8159Cindy Akron, Ohio Well, perhaps Mr. McCain thinks suicide is something that can be put into a joke category. I think those words will haunt him, as well they should, when he runs for President. I too, a lifelong liberal Democrat,listened to his words, until he decided to be a campainer, instead of a citizen of our country. When he went to Bob Jones University to court the extreme right, to benefit himself, I knew he was just another person trying to get out the vote. As far as Iraq, he did try to advance a different course two years ago. A strategy to add more troops, which I think , at that time the people of this country would have tolerated. However, that window of opportunity, as he called it at the time has long since closed. He was part of the majority in charge of our government,therefore, he is responsible also. I really thought he could be someone to look to. Sadly, he is just another dissapointment. I am going to pick my own candidate and at this time it is not Sen. Clinton. I need someone to think outside the box.I do not know if I will find that person, but I a looking at 2 right now. and I actually have a Republican I would like to see run, but that person is not on anyone's radar. what a shame.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8193Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:17:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8193Colleen, Chicago"Okay, here's another question for the Colleen/Desiree debate (actually, it's more of a chance to weigh-in on a prediction): How soon after the mid-term elections - whether the Dems take the Congress or not, but especially if the Dems succeed - will "Crawford's village idiot" (I LOVED that one!) push through an executive order lifting presidential term limits? He's not going to give up prime real estate THAT easily, and he already thinks that the rules don't apply to him. " Answer: The Democrats and America won't let anyone push through an executive order to lift presidential term limits. And if somehow George was able to do such a thing, it would be his largest failure because that would allow Bill Clinton to regain the presidency (oh, what a beautiful picture that paints in my head). Here is my prediction: No matter what happens in 18 days, Bush can kiss the rest of his presidency good-bye. Republicans are going to be focused on the next round of elections and distancing themselves more and more for the Sucker in Chief. Either way, the balance will be thrown in November, so I have a hard time believing that we will see much legitimate legislation flow out of Washington D.C. anyways. If the Democrats lose just enough seats where they do not gain control of either the House or the Senate, it will still take away the cushy majority the Right has enjoyed when it came to voting on legislation. It will be an interesting few years.... What I am even more curious about is whether or not we will see a serious call to impeach the President for lying to the American people and that lie being directly responsible for the deaths of over 2500 troops. Any person with half a brain can see that this lie he told that resulted in death was much more serious than a lie about a blowjob. If cheating on your wife is so serious of a crime, why was Bush campaigning with that Republican wife cheater this week....hmmm....... Lastly, I want to see how people react to this one: Obama/Durbin in 2008 (yes, I know they are both from Illinois, so I might have an subconcious bias, but they appear to be more in line with the average American than most). Hillary for Secretary of State (not that I don't think she is capabale of being president, I just don't think American men are capable of judging her based on her qualification as oppose to her gender).http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8213Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:14:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8213Jane, Southern MississippiHow about Joseph Biden and John Edwards? I like both of them.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8231Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:06:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8231Steve Turner Cedar Falls IowaI'm glad some of you enjoyed my two minute Samurai Movie..."Politics of Blood". srthttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8235Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:19:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8235Joe Private,Tampa,FloridaAnother VOTE for Joseph Biden and John Edwards !!Independent Thinkers,Articulate,Honest,Caring,Smart and would Definitely get Our Country Back-on-Track!! Thank You Jane @Southern Mississippi!!...get those 2008 campaign signs ready!!http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8247Sun, 22 Oct 2006 02:07:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8247Joe Gladden; White Bear Lake, MN Jane....I like your choices too! Only problem is, Joe Biden wouldn't play well in that blood red state of yours. Until we do away with the outdated and un-democtaic institution called the electoral college, the true will of the people will continue to be thwarted. Otherwise, Al Gore would likely be finishing up his second term and we wouldn't be talking about something totally different. "One man, one vote"! ,not "Some states get more votes". http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8574Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:32:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8574Jeff James, Cary, IllinoisMany people have suffered the loss of a loved one due to suicide. He should have said...."If the Democrats win control of the Senate, I would like to develop a small cancer on my esophogus that spreads though the sphincter into my stomach.....followed by a hearty chuckle with all of his loose neck skin flapping around.....Yeah I know it was a joke, a funny one at that....what's next? Will he wearing a studded motorcycle jacket smoking a cigarette on the stage at Madison Square Garden......Jack and Jill.....Ohhhhhhhhttp://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8897Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:53:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8897Jennifer, Bradenton, FloridaAs the 35 year old widow of a man who committed suicide, I do not find this amusing and do not see how joking about suicide brings any 'levity' to the situation. Perhaps if you woke up one morning in your bed and found your spouse laying next to you bleeding from the mouth and nose, you would not find it so funny. Joke or not, you are a sick sick person.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#8904Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:41:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:8904Jeff James, Cary, IllinoisI hope I didnt come off as in favor of what Mr. McCain said.....I feel quite the opposite....I too am a SOS....http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#9245Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:46:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:9245Rick, Murrieta, CASuicide sure is a funny subject. Right up there with rape and torture. With that kind of "levity", you should be doing standup.http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2006/10/19/7682.aspx#30164Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:23:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:30164Lori Kelly, tallmadge, ohioI BELIEVE EVERYONE HAS LOST THE PERSPECTIVE WHY WE WENT INTO IRAQ. THE BUSH ADMIN. HAS CHANGED THEIR REASONING OF THIS HORRIBLE AND PITIFUL DISASTER. ALSO JOHN MCCAIN SOLD HIS SOUL WHEN HE COW TOWED TO THE BUSW GANG THERE IS NO WAY OUT OF IRAQ AND WE WILL LOOSE MORE OF OUR SERVICE PEOPLE OVER THERE. YES, SADAM WAS A HORRIBLE DICTATOR, BUT HE KNEW HOW TO KEEP CONTROL OF THE DIFFERENT SECTS AND WE COULD HAVE CONTROLLED HIM. GOD BLESS OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN