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jaycee, Ventura, California — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:14:14 GMT

Superdelegates, you do know the rock has been lifted and we can all see you now, right? There’s no more cover to scurry under. You’re out in the broad daylight, and now you have to choose. We’re degrading our own assets out here as we speak, and all so you can put off a decision that will only get tougher the longer you let this divisive and utterly pointless primary fight go on.

Look; at the moment I’m furious with Hillary and think she’s a disloyal, graceless, status quo politician in a pants-suit. But she’s our status quo pol, or at least she was until she grew desperate enough to stab her brother in the back and vouch for McCain. Your inaction allowed this debacle to unfold, and we’re just getting started. By the time she’s emptied the kitchen sink her usefulness to us will have ended along with our chances in the general. Let’s stop the madness. What independent voter in their right mind is going to want to join the Bickersons?

And please, no noble-sounding nonsense about democracy and letting all the voters have a say. That’s great for the general election, but I don’t have to tell the old hands that it always portends disaster when we have to go this deep in the primaries. It means the party is fractured and late in making a decision, which can only spell big trouble. No, it isn’t good for the candidates or the party or the nation or the gutless wonders who told us they were going to be leaders and are now trying to hide behind a flimsy handkerchief of neutrality.

What good is staying neutral for the convention if there aren’t enough pieces left to pick up by then? Why are we wasting all our resources trashing each other? Why are we even discussing re-dos in Florida and Michigan? Let’s just pick a nominee already and then seat their delegations. Get off your sorry butts and take charge of the situation. That’s what leaders do. MOVE!!!!!!!!!!

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TEXAN — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:20:59 GMT

Hey Democratic Leaders.......
OBAMA IS NOT ELECTABLE IN NOVEMBER.
Check the "silent voter"
The "silent voter" can be a democrat,independent,or republican......

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Kris STL — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:21:14 GMT

I just knew Pelosi was behind Obama. She is being a wimp by not coming out for him and putting this three ring circus to an end. As a Leader and a woman she should be so disgusted by HRC that she will use her power and influence to stop this now b/4 it goes to far. And Edwards too needs to come out and support Obama. After all the mud he slung at Clinton during the debates I would think that he would urge his delgates into BO corner. Who knows lets just get this show over.

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Kaye,NC — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:21:45 GMT

Sorry, Hillary: You've crossed the line
Full story: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2004280786_plunkhaun14.html

By Charles Pluckhahn
Special to The Times

Hillary Clinton, you sure don't make it easy.

Since 2005, I've written $7,100 worth of checks to the person I considered most qualified to be the junior senator from New York and, later, president of the United States. In February, I was elected a Clinton delegate in the neighborhood-level caucuses, and looked forward to trying to be appointed a delegate to the Democratic National Convention.

It would have been my second Democratic Convention. In 1992, as the volunteer press secretary to the Wisconsin delegation, I led a march of happy cheeseheads up Fifth Avenue in Manhattan to the National Republican Women's Club. We stood and chanted slogans at a Republican "truth squad" that had set up camp there. It was great, goofy fun, and the Daily News thought so, too.

I remember well the feeling on the last day of that convention, which nominated your husband and Al Gore. "I think we're actually going to win this election," I told my old friend, who as head of the state delegation had invited me to New York. "I don't know if I'm ready to be on the winning side!"

Oh, what times those were! And given what success your husband produced, and your impressive record in New York, it wasn't exactly hard for me to support you. My sister-in-law, a grocery clerk whom I brought to a fundraiser here in Seattle and who sat and chatted with you, is still in your corner. She'll be crushed when she reads this column.

Sen. Clinton, I can no longer count myself in your ranks. I've decided that, barring some stunning revelation, Barack Obama has earned the Democratic nomination, fair and square. More importantly, I've decided that your campaign's tactics have crossed a line that should never be crossed. I no longer want to be associated with your effort to become the Democratic nominee.

One of your surrogates, Geraldine Ferraro, has said that Obama wouldn't be where he is in the Democratic contest if he were white. When combined with your rejection of Obama's qualifications to be commander in chief, and your husband's disrespect for Obama's effort, I see an ugly undercurrent.

I grew up in white Milwaukee, which was very white indeed. But most of my heroes were black: Martin Luther King Jr., Hank Aaron, Bill Cosby, Ralph Ellison, Miles Davis and John Coltrane. When a kid, the sight of black people being mowed down with water hoses in Alabama made a Democrat out of me before I knew what a Democrat was.

Woe betide the politician, and especially the Democratic politician, who makes a racist appeal, no matter how artfully they think they've constructed it. When George Bush's campaign did it to Michael Dukakis in 1988, I expected it. That's what Republicans do.

When your campaign race-baits and disrespects Barack Obama in 2008, you can count me out. Democrats don't do that. We are better.

I fully realize that political campaigns are rough. The fact that you're a fighter is one of the reasons I've supported you. "Just wait until she goes up against the Republicans," I have told friends. "They are going to regret the day they ever used the B-word on that woman."

You've been attacked in the worst possible ways, and I've very much admired you for the way you've handled those attacks. Lesser people, myself included, would have long since crept away by now. I still consider you qualified to be president, and should you happen to win the Democratic nomination, you'd have my vote in November.

But I don't think it's going to happen that way. Instead, I think Obama might win Pennsylvania. At the end of the day, I think he will emerge with the most popular votes, the most states, and the most pledged delegates. If the so-called superdelegates should then deny him the nomination, you'll have won the most tarnished of prizes.

Sen. Clinton, you still have time to salvage your dignity and your reputation. Geraldine Ferraro's resignation from her fundraising role is a start, but it's only a start. You should fully apologize to Sen. Obama for the stream of insults that has come from your campaign, and then you should step aside. If you do that, then I'll know my money and my time were well spent.Charles Pluckhahn is a former journalist and retired securities analyst who lives in Seattle.

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Leon Dunham, Big Rapids MI — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:22:17 GMT

Obama should do well in Michigan. He polls well with the Muslim demographic which is well represented in the state.

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The Museum Curators — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:24:42 GMT

Great Moments from the Political Jokesters Hall of Fame:
“Mission Accomplished”
“The Insurgency is in its last throes”
“We have destroyed their shovels and driven them back. They’re coming to surrender.”
“They will be burnt. We are going to tackle them." (Two choice references from Baghdad Bob, the former Iraqi Information of Defense. The second came after American missiles had destroyed his office and forced him to hold press conferences in the street.)

And…yesterday’s 2 latest additions courtesy of the Clinton campaign:
1) “It’s all Obama’s fault. He’s just doing this to hurt Hillary.” --Geraldine Ferraro

2) “Look there are different polls explaining different things.”
--Clinton campaign Spinmaster-In-Chief Howard Wolfson attempting to answer a question from a reporter that had just refuted his entire argument. Wolfson had scheduled the March 12 conference call to lay the groundwork that if Obama lost in Pennsylvania, Hillary should be the nominee because Obama “could not win in Pennsylvania.” To bolster the Clinton campaign’s case, he noted that she was “up by 18 points” in a recent survey. The aforementioned reporter then pointed out that an equally recent poll showed Obama BEATING McCain in Pennsylvania while McCain beat Hillary. This led to Wolfson’s comments above as he was seen wriggling nervously in his chair after having been strangled yet again by his own spin.

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Ron, TX — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:27:54 GMT

She's already devalued a potential victory. She's ahead 20%. After Obama campaigns there, he will close this gap anywhere from 5-10%, as he always does wherever he actually campaigns (hence the problem seating Florida and Michigan as they voted with no campaigning). If he closes it any more than 5-10%, then it is an Obama victory. Closing it only 5-10%, i.e. Obama losing by 10-15%, isn't a big deal. She still can't get the delegates necessary to swing the pledged delegate count her way.

Her big state schtick is absolutely rediculous and disproven by nearly every one of the past 4 general elections. I mean, she's obviously finished unless she pulls some kind of disgusting trick. Ironically, that is the only reason she hasn't been ruled out yet. EVERYONE knows that if its one thing the Clintons can do, it's pull disgusting tricks.

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g.eglesias`nepa~ — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:28:16 GMT

PENNSYLVANIA IS HILLARY COUNTRY! YOU GO GIRL!!! WE LOVE HILLARY!!!

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RENEA PLYMOUTH,MI — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:33:32 GMT

I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE DNC CAN NOT DO THE LIKE THEY DID IN IRAQ.THEY HELD THE SAME KIND OF VOTING HERE IN AMERICA WHERE THE ELECTION WERE HELD OVER IN IRAQ.OPEN VOTING STATIONS,PAPER BALLOTS,DROP BOXS.END OF STORY.

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Jersey Joe — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:33:34 GMT

Hey jaycee, why do you post the same cut and paste diatribe everyday? Don't you have something more important to do, like watch Oprah?

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loretta,hamilton,oh — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:36:20 GMT

go hillary go
get those delegates from Edwards and knock that only racist running for President off his throne!!!!

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Lisa, New Britain, CT — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:38:41 GMT

Pennsylvania matters but so do the forty-nine other states. Its fine that Clinton has strength there but I truly believe that Obama has plenty of supporters there even in spite of the traditional party politics supporting Clinton. Remember he is the "change" candidate. And not all of the demographic groups there favor Clinton. But clearly that is a state she should do well in. I hope he continues to treat the state as "in play" as he has done in so many other states and I hope we can talk about economic issues there as people are suffering there as they are everywhere. Maybe that is a good role for PA to play in terms of both campaigns.

The NY Times article is must reading for Dem supporters who truly seek to understand where Obama is coming from, she is truly an inspirational woman and what a life she had. She seems truly admirable.

I am frustrated so much by Mich. and FLA. How on earth does the DNC retain any credibility through this? I don't think I shoud have to pay for redos in these states as regular people like us didn't break rules and didn't have any influence on the matters prior to this point. But clearly one doesn't want to be on the side of not wanting these votes to count. So someone has to ante up. Clearly full-blown primaries again are the most fair way to go, so I guess that's the way we must go. I do think though that after redos, we'll pretty much be where we are now though. But that's not a good enough reason not to have the redos as you have to let people vote (even if a result seems pre-determined people still need to be given the opportunity, that is the democratic way).

Can you feel Pelosi's frustration, I really have to say I can totally identify with her. That feels interesting. Also interesting as what will happen in Iowa. As a former Edwards supporter (well, still a supporter if you know what I mean), I'm OK with his delegates staying with him. But if they choose between Clinton and Obama, I hope they go more to Obama, because of all the reasons I support him and to denounce Hillary's negative and inconsistent campaign tactics.

Woman for Obama 08

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M, CA — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:42:05 GMT

I'm going to have to stop watching Morning Joe if he doesn't stop OPENLY stumping for Hillary Clinton. Clearly, his claim about how "nobody owns him" is patently FALSE.

It's pretty obvious that he is salivating over the prospect of Hillary Clinton's taking the Democratic nomination and ENSURING a McCain Win.

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Dante — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:42:41 GMT

Real change inspires people!!!

www.barackobama.com

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E. Held, Sun City, AZ — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:44:03 GMT

Pennsylvania is not the Democratic Super Bowl that Hillary campaign says it is. After PA there are some nine more primaries totaling "408 elected delegates," the majority of which Obama is expected to win.

P.S. --- Hilliary PA Lie @ 1:

“... no candidate has won the Democratic nomination without winning Pennsylvania since 1972.”

Demonstrably false. Ted Kennedy beat Jimmy Carter in the 1980 Pennsylvania primary, but it was Carter who won the nomination.

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It's Time for Voters to Think Instead of voting for "Their Girl" — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:45:10 GMT

G Eglesias 'nepa in Pennsylvania:
And you love her, why? Because she's has foreign policy experience? Ok, her resume buffing on that front has been proven false the past few days. You love her because of her domestic policy experience? Well, as today's Boston Globe points out, the one thing she points to in domestic policy (SCHIP, the children's vaccine program), is also a lie. She supported it but as today's Boston Globe points out, she was not responsible for the legislation.

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Jade7243 Hussein — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:46:46 GMT

But wait, Chuck... I thought you media types were about how "endorsements don't matter."

PA will be a tight race, Obama may even pull ahead. The kitchen sink will return with full-on bawling, mascara streaming down her face. I wouldn't be surprised if she shows up with a Tayreton fake black eye, claiming she'd "rather fight than" quit.

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SHIRLEY AR. — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:46:57 GMT

I BELIEVE FLORIDA'S VOTES SHOULD STAY AS IS. HILLARY WON. MICH. SHOULD BE DONE OVER EVEN THO I SEE HILLARYS POINT OF VIEW.
I THINK HILLARY WOULD STILL DO WELL IN MICHIGAN.
I THINK THE BLUE COLAR WORKER KNOWS SHE WILL NOT LET THEM DOWN. I THINK SHE MEANS WHAT SHE SAYS. L DON'T LIKE TO BRING RELIGION INTO THE MIX. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE OTHERS LIKE TO COMPARE RELIGIONS. THIS I KNOW ABOUT THE METHODIST CHURCH, THAT SHE HAS BELONGED TO ALL OF HER LIFE, AS FAR AS I KNOW. THEY ARE DEDICATED TO HELPING OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED.
THEY CAN BE IN NEED OF MANY THINGS. SUCH AS FIXING NAFTA, OR HEALTHCARE OR EVEN SOME WHO HAVE BEEN INJURED IN IRAQ BUT ARE NOT GETTING THE CARE THEY NEED AND DESERVE. SHE HAS ALWAYS WORKED FOR PEOPLE OF ALL RACES, ALL BACK GROWNDS, BEER DRINKERS AND WINE DRINKERS AND EVEN US ICE TEA DRINKERS.
HILLARY'S PLANS ARE BEST FOR MICHIGAN AND BEST FOR AMERICA!!!

HILLARY IS OUR GIRL!!!!!

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A Jaycee Fan — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:47:35 GMT

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Erroll, Haslett, Michigan — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:48:29 GMT

I am one of those Obama supportes who voted "Uncommitted" in the first Michigan primary. Voters at that time had to opt for a Democrat or Republican ballot. I understand that some voters may have opted for a Republican ballot at that time because their candidate was not on the Democrat slate, but that was a choice they made. Assuming that Michigan will not re-do the Republican primary, and I have not heard or seen anything to indicate they will, it is patently unfair for those who opted for a Republican ballot the first time around to now VOTE AGAIN in the Democrat primary. What happened to one person, one vote? I certainly hope this is addressed, but I do not hold out much hope, given the manner in which the Michigan party offcials screwed the primary up the first time around. By the way, it was those Michigan party leaders, and no one else, who disenfranchised Michigan voters by violating the clearly established DNC rules. Lets hope that this mistake is not compounded by SUPERENFRANCHISING some Michigan Republicans and Independents out to do mischief.

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JohnnyU, WA State — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:48:58 GMT

Kitchen sink attack: failed
Failed to douse my hope!
I'm fired up!
Yes We Can!
Obama '08

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Pat Huntington NY — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:50:10 GMT

If the Dems have any chance in winning in 2012, or more likely 2016, we need to change the primary/caucus system to 100% primaries, closed only to Democrats, with winner takes all, and NO superdelegates. This will ensure a nominee at the earliest stages, and no more infighting like we are currently having under the current failed system. PS - we lost this year, again, because of the failed system.

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Lisa, New Britain, CT — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:50:17 GMT

M in CA.

Gotta agree with you on Morning Joe. I agree with you 100% and salivating is precisely the word I would use. ITs coming through loud and clear, I thought the same thing this morning and I mentioned it also in comments yesterday.

Not only is he not impartial but it clearly shows in the coverage.

Obama 08

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patty,sd,ca — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:51:22 GMT

Look, folks, I admit it: I'm a moron.

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sotiredofignorance — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:52:07 GMT

Well said,jaycee. I have trouble understanding why any of the leadership in the Democratic Party think that Clinton's statement of support for the Republican candidate is acceptable.

Seems a simple choice to me, time for the leadership to put an end to this farce. If a large group of the superdelegates would state their support for Senator Obama, we could move on to the General Election.

Senator Clinton has shown herself to be unworthy of the office that she seeks with the tactics that she employs.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:52:47 GMT

Let's see now, I guess this will get buried somehwere underneath jaycee ventura's daily rant.
If Hillary kicks in Obama's teeth in Pennsylvania, why wouldn't the press cover it?
Especially after you three morons (and your network) have spent the last few weeks trying to convince everyone that Obama has a birth right to the nomination.
Also, The New York Times story about Obama's mother was totally unnecessary, and I'm not sure I get the point of it.
We all have mothers whom we revere, and cherish. I'm sure Obama's reverence for his mother is no different than anyone else's, just as I'm sure that deep down inside she was a well intended person.
However, in reading this thing I see someone who was a bit "flighty," and somewhat disconnected from the reality of personal responsibility. I don't see what makes her anymore "fascinating" than anybody else's mother, except that you try to make everything Obama says and does into a history-making event.
Hey, First Read, how about a little coverage of all the SCUM BAGS who are in some way or another connected to Obama?
Rezko, Farakhan, and now the minister who married him, and baptized his kids, Jeremiah Wright...who says we should sing "God Damn America" instead of God Bless America, and that the bible says so.
Get a clue folks, because THIS is who influences the man some of you clowns want to put in the White House.
He won't wear a flag on his lapel, he doesn't respect the proper protocols during the National Anthem, and you wonder where he gets it from?
Obama supporters need to close their mouths, and open their eyes!
True Americans, those who love their country and anyone who ever wore the uniform to defend it, could never ever vote for this man.

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SHIRLEY AR. — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:53:29 GMT

RENEA,
I HAVE WONDERED THE SAME THING.
WHY OF ALL THINGS DO WE IN AMERICA NOT HAVE THE COMMON SENSE TO DO SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
THE STATE HAS THE NAMES OF VOTERS. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHOW I.D AND WRITE A NAME DOWN.

WE HAVE SHOWN BY THE TEXAS CAUSUS THAT THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO GO AND I HOPE THAT UNDEMOCRATIC WAY OF VOTING IS DONE AWAY WITH.

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CitizenJ — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:54:31 GMT

"...in 1997, I joined forces with members of Congress and we passed the State Children's Health Insurance Program [SCHIP]."
-Hillary Clinton

“But the Clinton White House, while supportive of the idea of expanding children's health, fought the first SCHIP effort, spearheaded by Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, because of fears that it would derail a bigger budget bill. And several current and former lawmakers and staff said Hillary Clinton had no role in helping to write the congressional legislation, which grew out of a similar program approved in Massachusetts in 1996."
-Boston Globe

Hillary Clinton: Her Words. Somebody Else's Solutions.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:55:38 GMT

Clinton should do the right thing, drop out of the race and take her best shot at undoing some of the damage she's done.

But she won't.

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Chris, Dorr, MI — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:57:31 GMT

As a resident of Michigan and independent voter I am against another vote here. Since when do we change the rules after the contest has begun?

Believe me...I want my vote to count.

I will gladly wait to vote for President Obama in November.

48 yr. old white male, some college, 50k yr.

Obama/Webb 08'

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:57:34 GMT

Let Hillary have Pennsylvania. Obama will still come out of the PA primary with some deleagtes and will be able to make up for any net gains by Hillary in PA in later contests. On to North Carolina and Indiana and the rest of the primaries.

PENNSYLVANIA MAY BE HILLARY COUNTRY BUT THE UNITED STATES IS OBAMA COUNTRY.

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A Charles, LA, CA — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:58:16 GMT

The NYT piece on Obama's mother is amazing.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23623222/

Obama's mother was free thinking powerful woman, much ahead of her time. Her impact on him cannot be denied.

Read what Obama's most treasured possession is.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:59:04 GMT

"...And please, no noble-sounding nonsense about democracy and letting all the voters have a say."...jaycee, Ventura, California (Sent Friday, March 14, 2008 9:14 AM)

There ya' go folks...there it is.
The attitude, mind-set, agenda, and the political ideology of Obama and his supporters, all rolled into one sentence.
A little more food for thought, you Super Delegates!

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Patrick, Indianapolis — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:02:51 GMT

hillary monster "George Wallace" clinton is an ingorant racist pig. hillary monster "George Wallace" clinton may have an advantage in PA but that doesn't mean she wins the state and surely doesn't mean she wins by a large margin. hillary monster "George Wallace" clinton has permanently damaged the Democratic party and we are seeing the beginning of its full destruction. hillary monster "George Wallace" clinton's big state argument is the stupidest argument ever. To think that Obama won't win liberal CA or NY is just utterly ignorant. hillary monster "George Wallace" clinton may win PA in the primary but she has absolutely zero chance of winning the general election. hillary monster "George Wallace" clinton CAN'T win the general election which is why the supers will support Obama.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:05:27 GMT

"“... no candidate has won the Democratic nomination without winning Pennsylvania since 1972.”
Demonstrably false. Ted Kennedy beat Jimmy Carter in the 1980 Pennsylvania primary, but it was Carter who won the nomination."..... E. Held, Sun City, AZ (Sent Friday, March 14, 2008 9:44 AM)

.....and then Carter (an incumbant President, by the way) went on to get his fanny kicked by Ronald Reagan in The General Election.
So what's your point?

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:07:19 GMT

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Michiel W So. Beloit, IL — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:07:41 GMT

Change, as the last 7+ years has shown, can be good and can be bad! Be very careful what you wish for as you may just get it! We certainly did with GW Bush! I hope the people who are still to vote in these primaries take a very good look at Senator Obama and his association for the last 20 years with the Rev J Wright. Can you really attend a church for 20 years which has a minister spewing hate of your country, racism, separatism, and not be influenced by it? Do you call this man your spiritual adviser and mentor? Check out the Rev Wright. This is the man who helped influence Senator Obama over the last 20 years! Even if he should repudiate the man now, what about the last 20 years?

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twocanpete — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:10:02 GMT

http://twocanpete.blogspot.com
Get ready to rumble! You got to wonder what the good Rev. Wright will have to say if they steal this thing from Obama. That Youtube video looked more like a Black Panther rally from 1968 then church.

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dumdum2 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:10:39 GMT

What kind of super moron still believes there is any connection between Obama, and Muslims? It's a wonder they can even read to be that stupid. What about the pictures of Bush in african costume when he visits there? Does that mean he aligns with tribal war and genocide? Come on, read the news, try and learn something, in spite of your limitations.

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Matt, Rogers, Ark. — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:10:46 GMT

If this entire nominating process does not end soon I fear this party will be split up to the general election and McCain will be our next President. I am even beginning to despise Hillary. Thought I could vote either way but she just doesn't know when to quit. She is ruthless, cold, and far too calculating. I am tired of her, Bill, and the whole Clinton brand. Enough already.

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Chris, Dorr, MI — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:10:50 GMT

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Tesse, Portland, ME — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:11:56 GMT

I have to believe that Hillary herself is repulsed buy the words that are coming out of her own mouth. There are examples to numerous to mention, but here I am specifically referring to her comments that it would be fair to seat Michigan as is because no one made Obama take his name off the ballot. Just how low is she willing to go? Apparently there is no bottom for her. How sad.

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Pam OC,CA — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:14:12 GMT

Jaycee: As usual, right on! I am a registered Independent and really liked Biden or Edwards. I would have been fine with Hillary or Barack until the McCain incident. That just did it for me. I cannot support a candidate that has no problem insulting a fellow Democrat at the expressed benefit of a Republican. I have been totally ticked off ever since at her.

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Kathy Frustrated Democrat Michigan — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:15:58 GMT

None of this matters if Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi do not address the upcoming fraud trial of the Clintons. Before anyone spends a dime, Sen Clinton should be called out and asked, at the very least, to disclose the appeal of this case. The next hearing date is April 24, just TWO DAYS AFTER the Pennsylvaia Primary, to SET A TRIAL DATE!

Maybe Nancy Pelosi has called her on it. Maybe that is why she is sceptical about an Obama Clinton ticket. Sen Clinton was quick to jump on the bandwagon and try to associate Sen Obama with Tony Rezko's wrong-doing when he is not a named defendant. She and Pres Clinton are named defendants in their case.

Take care of this before people spend all of this money on re-do's. By the way look at who is asking for the re-do's. Sen Clinton doesn't want to play by the rules and it looks bad.

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Robyn, Greensboro, NC — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:17:21 GMT

This sounds eerily familiar. I think that they said the same thing in SC. Clinton has the establishment LOCKED UP. In SC they said if you get the elected officials and the preachers, the people will follow. Sounds like folk have been saying the same thing about PA.

We shall see.

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Jaime, Lantana, FL — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:18:50 GMT

I'm still beside myself that we are even having this discussion...even more that the Democratic Party is having this discussion. It's all because one candidate, who knew the rules going into this and that Florida and Michigan wouldn't count is now kicking and screaming like a toddler who just slid half-way down the board in a game of chutes and ladders and now wants a do-over.

Give me a break, Dems, and get a backbone!!!

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Sue Watters, San Francisco CA — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:21:38 GMT

Clinton should do the right thing, drop out of the race and take her best shot at undoing some of the damage she's done.

But she won't.

Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA

____________________

Does anyone think Hillary would run as an Independant?

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S.B. Stein E.B. NJ — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:21:49 GMT

I think that this is a good proposal for Michigan. If the campaigns could put up some of the money as well, that would be even better. In the rush to be first, Michigan (and Florida) ignored the rules and had no regards for the possible actions afterward. I hope that this teaches all the states to understand the rules that the parties have for their nomination contests.

Besides, moving all of these contests closer to the beginning of the year only forces people to make up their mind too early. Let the press and the campaigns get out their information and their secrets. I hope that it would weed out some of the lessor candidates without them being on a debate.

I hope that Florida gets their act together for this. They should just do what ever they are going to do on June 3rd like Michigan.

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JB, NC — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:22:17 GMT

Hillary SHOULD WIN PA. She is EXPECTED to win PA. She leads by 18 POINTS in PA. But here is the question - how will the media and the Clintonian spinners SPIN this win if her margin of victory plummets in the next six weeks? Will they - shock and awe - be FAIR and say that Hillary COULD NOT HOLD ONTO HER 18 POINT LEAD??? OR - will they say that Obama could not "close the sale?" If she has practically ALL of the state's bigwigs behind her - and it is a state that "fits her demographics" as has been pointed out repeatedly by the pundits, then WHY should she not WIN BY the 18 point margin - or even better? Obama has won many of his states by 20 to 30 points - Virginia for example, which was not supposed to be that much of a blowout. So why should Hillary not be EXPECTED to win PA by a BLOWOUT if all of these factors are in her favor? Will be very interesting to see if this "double standard" in the media persists in "expectations."

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TOM TYSKIEWICZ, FOREST HILLS, PA — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:23:43 GMT

I AM A LIFE-LONG DEMOCRAT(AGE=63)LIVING OUTSIDE PITTSBURGH......I WILL NOT VOTE FOR CLINTON, AND I KNOW CO-WORKERS, NEIGHBORS, FRIENDS AND FAMILY, WHO ABHOR HER AND WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THIS DIVISIVE FIGURE. THE POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT HERE AND ELSEWHERE IN THE STATE IS NOT AS HIGHLY REGARDED AS YOU OUTSIDERS MAY BELIEVE, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS ENDORSEMENT NONSENSE.

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CitizenJ — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:24:35 GMT

Let's see now, I guess this will get buried somehwere underneath jaycee ventura's daily rant.

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY (Sent Friday, March 14, 2008 9:52 AM)

You mean, as opposed to YOUR daily rant? At least you don't have to be in a szchizophrenic haze to understand Jaycee.

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Jersey Joe — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:25:43 GMT

Hey Jersey Joe,
Get off Jaycee's back. If you were able to READ the posts, you'd realize that not only are they different each day, but they're insightful. Why don't you put up something similar for your candidate?

A Jaycee Fan

Jaycee, it's really not polite to have complimentary responses to your own posts under different names. Little tacky, don't you think?

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Kathy Frustrated Democrat Michigan — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:26:27 GMT

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Sierra, SF — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:27:43 GMT

...She accused Mr. Obama of his own shady business
deals (the irony of which nearly ripped a hole in the
fabric of space/time)...'

'...Obama's perceived lack of experience in foreign
affairs. Straight out of the ol' Atwater/Rove
playbook....'

'...Of course, all of this paled in comparison to her
husband's patronizing, racially insensitive comments
earlier in the primary season...'

From Huff Post:

'...Seth Grahame-Smith

The Monster: A Loyal Clinton Soldier Turns in His
Badge

Posted March 9, 2008 | 03:37 PM (EST)

She has no idea.

She has no idea how many times I defended her. How
many right-leaning friends and relatives I battled
with. How many times I played down her shady business
deals and penchant for scandals -- whether it was
Whitewater, Travelgate, Vince Foster, Cattle Futures,
Web Hubbell, or Norman Hsu. She has no idea how
frequently I dismissed her husband's serial adultery
as an unfortunate trait of an otherwise brilliant man.
For sixteen years, I was a proud soldier in the legion
of "Clinton apologists" -- who believed that peace and
prosperity were more important than regrettable
personality traits.

After seven years of George W. Bush, America is hungry
for change. Big change. And let's face it -- Hillary
Clinton, the party standard-bearer and former White
House denizen -- isn't it. But even after voters
coalesced around Barack Obama, handing him eleven
straight primaries (twelve, if you count Vermont), she
refused to accept the possibility -though math, money
and momentum were clearly against her -- that the
Bush/Clinton Family Band might not be #1 on America's
Billboard chart anymore.

So, rather than step aside and become the hero of her
party, she made a strategy decision to go negative in
advance of Ohio and Texas. Not just negative --
personal. She cynically chided Mr. Obama's message of
hope. She played the victim card. The gender card. The
Muslim card. She cried "shame on you, Barack Obama"
for his campaign tactics, while (if we're to believe
Matt Drudge) simultaneously floating a picture of him
in Somali garb to stir up questions of his patriotism.

She accused Mr. Obama of his own shady business deals
(the irony of which nearly ripped a hole in the fabric
of space/time). She accused him of being two-faced on
NAFTA, when it was her campaign that had winked at the
Canadians. She demanded that he "reject" the
endorsement of Louis Farrakhan, but remained silent
when Rush Limbaugh stirred up votes for her in Texas.
And she crafted the now-infamous "3am" attack ad --
which used scare tactics to highlight Senator Obama's
perceived lack of experience in foreign affairs.
Straight out of the ol' Atwater/Rove playbook. Of
course, all of this paled in comparison to her
husband's patronizing, racially insensitive comments
earlier in the primary season.

Was this the same Hillary Clinton whose husband ran on
the idea that hope was more powerful than fear? The
wife of a president who had less foreign policy
experience than Barack Obama when he was elected? And
exactly which crisis is she referring to when she
claims to have more experience? And while we're at it,
where the hell are those tax returns?

It's clear that Hillary's back in this thing, at least
for the time being. But at what cost? Short of some
cataclysmic event, there's no way either she or Mr.
Obama can reach 2,025 delegates in the remaining
contests. That means she's accepted the inevitability
of a brokered convention. A convention she'll almost
certainly enter with fewer delegates than her
opponent. That raises some important questions:

Will she subvert the will of the voters? Will she turn
Denver into a series of shady back-room deals and arm
twisting? Will she dispatch her husband to pressure
superdelegates into switching allegiances at the last
minute? Are we in for, as one pundit put it, a good
ol' fashioned "knife fight?"

And if she does manage to secure the nomination, what
about the scores of disenfranchised Obama supporters
(many of them young people with little loyalty to the
Democratic Party)? How will she bring them back into
the tent? Hillary seems confident that this can be
remedied by offering Mr. Obama a spot on her ticket.
Really? And what would his motivation be for
accepting? Playing third-fiddle to Bill?

However, if Mr. Obama goes on to secure the
nomination, she'll have handed his rival a treasure
trove of sound bites. All John McCain has to do
between August and November is play clips of Hillary
questioning Obama's experience and belittling his
platitudes. In a way, she'll have become Mr. McCain's
second running mate.

She's proven that she cares more about "Hillary" than
"unity." More about defeating Obama than defeating the
Republicans. She's become a political suicide-bomber,
happy to blow herself to bits -- as long as she takes
everyone else with her.

On Friday, one of Barack Obama's foreign policy
advisors, Samantha Power, resigned after calling
Senator Clinton "a monster" during an off-the-record
exchange. It was an unfortunate slip, but one that
echoed the sentiments of many Clinton apologists like
me -- who've watched Hillary's descent into pettiness
and fear-mongering with the heartbreak of a child who
grows up to realize that his beloved mother has been a
terrible person all along.

Are the conservatives right about the Clintons? Will
they do and say anything to get elected?

I don't know.

All I know is...I'm through apologizing.

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Emile Mervin, New York, New York — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:28:01 GMT

Geraldine Ferraro said if Obama were white he would not be the democratic front-runner at this time. Well, she was wrong. Now, I'd say that if Hillary Clinton were any other candidate trailing Obama in delegates count, states won and most popular votes, there would have been no talk of re-votes in Florida and Michigan. The leaders of the DNC are bending over backward to help the party's establishment candidate regain her position as the shoo-in nominee that Obama prevented on Super Tuesday.

If all this mess in the Democratic Party is indicative of the mess to come in a potential Hillary Clinton presidency, then heaven help us. The woman truly is polarizing.

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OBwan, In — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:32:15 GMT

I hear the spread in PA is down from 18 points to about 8 points. It will end at around 2 - 4 points, anyones game.

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Kathy Frustrated Democrat in Michigan — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:33:28 GMT

Is anyone concerned about our right to know about this Fraud Trial? I called the DNC 202-863-8000 and was told that "We don't get involved in the Candidates Campaigns." Dems make the best Uninformed decision you can is basically what they are saying.

The Clinton’s are named defendants in a Civil Fraud Case connected to Campaign Finance irregularities and have not disclosed the appeal of the case. There will be a trial date set on April 24th, just 2 days after the key Pennsylvania Primary for the Fraud Case Paul v. Clinton in the Los Angeles Superior Court. Plaintiff says he will call Gov Rendell will be a witness in the case. From what I understand, this case began when prior to Sen. Clinton’s 2000 New York Senate campaign.

Peter Paul 13 minutes Google Video “Hillary Uncensored”
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=7007109937779036019&hl=en

It may be helpful to view the videos, listen to the radio interview and view the documents on www.hillcap.org and the Los Angeles Superior Court first before reviewing the information below. I did not have the benefit of finding the information in this order, so I hope that I have reduced the research time for you.

Los Angeles Superior Court of Appeals: http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org
Then click on Civil Case Summaries and enter case number to see case history.
Case Number: BC304174
Los Angeles Superior Court Public Information Office at (213) 974-5227.

www.hillcap.org

ABC 20/20 piece on Clinton's and Peter Paul

1) Part One: http://youtube.com/watch?v=QPxtv6kcn7s

2) Part Two: http://youtube.com/watch?v=EVb1ioV010U

3) ABC piece:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X2wlUEXAshg

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,305485,00.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/us/politics/31watch.html?scp=1&sq=%22paul+v+clinton%22+2008&st=nyt This article is from Oct 2007 before the appeal was granted.

www.peterfpaul.com

This radio interview is a pretty controversial– and scary.
Reese Hopkins of WRKO in Boston interviewed Peter Paul on February 7. 2008.
The interview is one hour twenty-four minutes long.
You will need to type in this lengthy URL below to listen: http://wrko.podzinger.com/viewMedia.jsp?e=18341182&amps=PZSID_0001291673Reese+Hopkins&ampstart=0&ampnum=10&ampcol=en-all-pod_wrko-ep&ampfilter=0&ampdedupe=1&ampft=true&ampexpand=true&ampmatch=query,keyword=4&ampindex=3&ampil=en&ampres=183486869

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cb, raleigh — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:36:51 GMT

The Clintons and the media in a weird way are helping Obama by their pushing of this Obama Pastor story. Obama will get to REINFORCE with his statements about it that he is a CHRISTIAN. Every morning when I turn on the TV I wonder what will be the latest "expose" today?? After the smear campaign tacics of Penn, Shaheen, Kerrey, Johnson, and Ferraro, we now have the Pastor. But as in the VP story of last week that backfired on the Clintons by having it pointed out that they were really admitting Obama WAS READY FROM DAY ONE to be PRESIDENT if he was QUALIFIED TO BE VP, then this Pastor story will do the same as it will CLARIFY ONCE AND FOR ALL that Obama is NOT a Muslim, but is a CHRISTIAN. He will distance himself from his former Pastor's remarks - but the OPERATIVE WORD IS PASTOR!!

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MBM, Chicago, IL — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:39:27 GMT

Maybe part of Hillary's overall strategy necessitates the undermining and invalidation of the DNC. The sole objective is be the nominee. If she has to discredit the DNC and permanently split the party, so be it. Her and Bill will be more than willing to appoint other people to the DNC. And if she can't be the candidate, what does she care about the party? Her choice for president (other than herself) is John McCain. I don't think he is running as a Democrat.

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Obama4me, Charlottesville, Virginia — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:40:14 GMT

I usually DO NOT post my thoughts or comments. However, I am becoming so sickened by the Clintons. How badly could they possibly want this?? Evidently bad enough to trash a good man, lie to the country and hope we are all stupid enough to believe it. How can we, as Americans--supposedly an example to all the world of how democracy works--stand for such? She is picking which states are important--and discarding the rest of us! How can my vote count less than someone that lives in Pennsylvania, or Ohio? If I had know that Virginians were expendable, I would have moved north years ago. Of course, I have a suspicion that if she had won here, or even came close---my vote would count for much more.

I am embarassed that at one time I actually supported her husband and looked forward to her running. I only hope that the people in Pennsylvania--and all other contests remaining-- look at what is actually going on--and how far someone is willing to go to get what they want.

Does the end actually justify the means?? I would hate to have to explain that one to my 11 year old son!

Let's think about our kids--all kids, regardless of which state they live in-- and do the right thing for this country and our future.

Obama is the best hope we have!

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Robert — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:40:51 GMT

If the rules don't matter in Florida and Michigan, then why does the rule about needing 2025 delegates matter? Why not just nominate the candidate with the most delegates at the end?

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think — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:41:12 GMT

Hypothetical: You take your child to church. The pastor simulates a sex act and swears from the pulpit, on Christmas Day no less. Parents who subject children to porn and graphic materials do get arrested for abuse. You keep taking your children to that church. Good judgement?

That same minister says you should not sign "God Bless America" but "God Damn America." Your church states its first allegiance is to Africa. You keep going to that church. Good judgement of somebody who may be the next POTUS?

Five days after 911, same minister says the terrorist attacks were the US' fault. You keep going to that church. Good judgement of somebody who may be the next POTUS?

Five days after 911, same minister criticizes the US for being pro Israel. You keep going to that church. Good judgement of somebody who may be the next POTUS?

Same minister goes on a trip to Lybia with Louis Farrakahn. And, your church gives Farrakahn an outstanding leadership award. You keep going to that church. Good judgement of somebody who may be the next President of the United States?
You've called this minister your "mentor". You name this racist, anti-Semitic, anti-American to your campaign's committee on religion. But, you say you've distanced from him and don't espouse everything he does. Good judgement?

You know that Tony Rezko is a crook. You enter into a land deal with him. You attempt to minimize it by saying "bone-headed mistake." Good judgement?

You associate with William Ayers, member of the Weatherman, who declared war on the US and bombed the Pentagon. Good judgement?

When growing up, my parents reminded me that who you associate with makes a difference and people will judge you by those associations. Did your mother not teach you that, Mr Obama?

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:41:15 GMT

I want someone to tell me the logic of this post. Please read it carefully;

"...Jaycee: As usual, right on! I am a registered Independent and really liked Biden or Edwards. I would have been fine with Hillary or Barack until the McCain incident. That just did it for me. I cannot support a candidate that has no problem insulting a fellow Democrat at the expressed benefit of a Republican. I have been totally ticked off ever since at her. ....."
Pam OC,CA (Sent Friday, March 14, 2008 10:14 AM)

First off, why is a self proclaimed "registered independent" worried or concerned about who's running for The Democratic Nomination? The whole idea of being "independent" is to free one's self of partisan obligations.
Secondly, why is this "independent" so vehemently anti-Republican, and anti-McCain? That exposes partisanship in and of itself.
Thirdly, why is a "registered independent" worried about one Democrat insulting another? That doesn't make sense. A true independent wouldn't care.
The issue here, is this. independents shouldn't have a say in who gets The Democratic Nomination. Especially since "independents" are responsible for Bush's "selection" in 2000, and thusly; they are also, at least, partially responsible for Bush's failure to prevent 911.
We need to keep "independents" out of the nominating process. They stick it to us everytime.

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John McKinney TX — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:42:04 GMT

If we are all in agreeance to get rid of SuperDelegates how about getting rid of the Electoral College?

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Mark, VA — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:42:45 GMT

Michigan is a tough State for both candidates, I think it will be a great matchup. I would like to see who will win.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:43:21 GMT

".....Does anyone think Hillary would run as an Independant? ....."
Sue Watters, San Francisco CA (Sent Friday, March 14, 2008 10:21 AM)

Quite frankly, if she doesn't get the nomination, I hope she does run independent.
I'll vote for her.

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think — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:46:01 GMT

What kind of super moron still believes there is any connection between Obama, and Muslims?
********
I don't believe he's a Muslim. I do believe he is a black separatist, anti-American, anti-Semitic, racist church and that Obama's "mentor" is the pastor of that church.

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Kym — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:48:08 GMT

Hey Chuck.

How about posting a copy of the "Pledge" that all Dem candidates signed where they agreeed not to campaign or "particpate" in the Michigan and Florida primaries.

Olbermann had a copy of the pledge on his show last night. You need to post one as part of one of your threads so the Hillary supporters here can see just what she signed and agreed not to do before the Michigan and Florida primaries.
C A, Tuscaloosa, AL (Sent Friday, March 14, 2008 10:07 AM)

I agree with you. Please Chuck and those at first read, please post it. Also, I hear people talking about Morning Joe, has anyone watched Dan Abrams, he really be reaching for stuff to go against Obama with, he is so far up Hillary's backside that she would need a full enema to release him!!

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Reality Check — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:51:03 GMT

Obama supporters need to close their mouths, and open their eyes!
True Americans, those who love their country and anyone who ever wore the uniform to defend it, could never ever vote for this man.

J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY

-----------------------------------------------------
You act as though no one you have ever known has had an opinion about something that you did not agree with. His mother, who raised hi, along with his grandparents were white. Obama said that Mr. Wright was a spirtual advisor, not a policy or political advisor. Those are two separate things you know. And besides, Mr. Wright simply stated that 9/11 was a result of the actions of the U.S. in other countries, not that it was a good thing that happened. Within your narrow views of reality, it would be fair to say that all catholics are child molesters, all muslims are terrorists, all whites are KKK members, and all blacks are ignorant. See how ridiculous this sounds. I don't agree with the fact that the minister shared his personal opinions with his congregation. That is something he should have kept at his dinner table, in my opinion. But, he does not represent the views of everyone who is a member of that church.

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Leslie O'Brien, Ankorage, Alaska — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:51:14 GMT

SOLUTIUONS : RE-DO THE "ENTIRE" PRIMARY ELECTIONS, OR FLIP A COIN. "HEADS UP"

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:51:30 GMT

PAT H-I agree 100% with your 9:50 a.m. post;however; the Dems better wake up fast and stop this infighting because McWar is just seating back, acquiring money and gaining added talking points against one or the other. My big concern is once it's over the white women over fifty and those making less tha 50 thousand a year will stay home on Nov 4th and vice/versa with younger voters who are voting in record numbers.

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Sierra, SF — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:52:07 GMT

Pat Huntington NY:'...If the Dems have any chance in winning in 2012, or more likely 2016, we need to change the primary/caucus system to 100% primaries,...'

Close, but NO CIGAR
The Iowa caucus was GREAT !
It diminishes the influence of money and endorsements
All the candidates had to face real voters and answer their questions
THAT'S why Hillary lost
She's a mnaufactured candidate, depending on money and insiders.

'...closed only to Democrats,...'

Democrats AND independents
We always NEED independents in the general election
California Republicans are bemoaning the fact that they're closed to independents
By having independents vote in the California Democratic primary, we get them interested in the Democratic race and our candidates
The trend lines in registration show Independents growing, while Democratic and Republican registration is going down
After THIS nominating process, I can see Democratic registration PLUMMETING if cheating and smear tactics prevail
Let he Independents vote in our primaries, but maybe not Republicans

'...with winner takes all,...'
A good point
You really should get more delegates for winning a primary or caucus
But, big stateshopefully be winner take all
Maybe smaller states could be persuaded to move in that direction

'...and NO superdelegates....'

There ARE too many Super Delegates
Congressmen and Senators and state wide office holders should be Super Delegates
But, NOT PARTY functionaries

You make some good points, Pat
(this is a historic occasion)

'...PS - we lost this year, again, because of the failed system...'

Barack Obama will be the nominee
And he will win the General Electioon
Hillary seems to be doing everything she can to sabotage him

If we were to lose, she CAN'T wiggle out of her guilt
Running a tough campaign is OK

But smearing your opponent is always wrong
RACE-BAITING is DESPICABLE !
Bill and Hillary have race-baited

They STILL ARE
No getting around that

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Heidi, Seattle — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:53:58 GMT

Who re-surfaced this old Obama pastor story again? Who?? A network? A campaign - Hillary or McCain's?? WHO?? AND WHY?? This is OLD news. It came out late last year and Obama repudiated it. He cannot be held responsible for every statement this man makes, can he? Is Hillary held responsible for Bill saying "Depends on what the definition of is, is?" Come on.

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jacksmith, Dalls, Texas. — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:55:09 GMT

DON'T BE DUPED!!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty, and comfort for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-self, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-self.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton’s offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama’s place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history. But the time to act is soon.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

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Sierra, SF — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:56:37 GMT

JB, NC: '...Hillary SHOULD WIN PA. She is EXPECTED to win PA. She leads by 18 POINTS in PA...'

NO !!
Obama should win

He HAS TO EXPAND HIS MESSAGE
Talk about JOBS !!
Talk about Taxes !!
Talk about Health Insurance !!
Talk about STAYING OUT OR WAR WITH IRAN !!

The message of hope and change is GREAT.....

BUT START TALKING ABOUT POCKET BOOK ISSUES, OBAMA !!

And run ads about Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton
THAT'S not smearing
That's good politics
Are we a shared monarchy ?
Are we Pakistan with its' Bhutto family ?
Are we India with its' Gandhi family ?
Are we the Phillipines with the Marcos's ?

It's time to PIVOT !!

Obama/Edwards '08

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James, Buffalo, NY — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:58:28 GMT

How can the Super Delegates keep their votes?!? They created this mess, if anyone needs to be sanctioned it is them.... Take their seats away and they may not be sooo interested in breaking the rules in the future.

The re-vote in Michigan sounds fair and a split in FLorida weighted towards Hillary is ok, if the Supers are stripped of their votes...

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RH Oregon — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:58:42 GMT

Hey look another weekend is upon us. It's two days until Sunday. Will you be in church?

Will Obama be in church?

Will they be worshipping at the alter of Africans first, last, and only?

Will the sermon again be upon the evils of the white race?

Will they rail against the evil American empire?

Will they realize that the only place in the world where the could live and worship as they do is in America?

I doubt it.

Obama is not American. He does not have the heart, mind, spirit or the soul of an American.

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Obama '08 or else — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:58:42 GMT

Barack (No middle name) Obama is our savior. The Community Activist from Chicago will bring love and peace to the world. You need to believe every thing he says - please don't ask any questions and just vote Obama '08 and all your worries will be over. He will even clean the air in the worst 345 counties in America within 24 hours of becoming President. Just stay tuned to MSNBC and they will tell you all the reasons he is the greatest and why Hillary should pull out of the race.

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Rick,Ky — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:59:28 GMT

Just vote Republican J. Merle, that way you can follow in the foot step's of your Idol, Hillary.Your service to America is appreciated, however, in No way does it give You anymore say than any other American.
You don't fool anyone, You were Against rovian style politic's of Fear, You were Against this debacle in Iraq. Let's hope that you have'nt raised Your kid's to beleive that getting Your Way is Acceptable, Screw the Rules & the Law's of America( that You sir, served to Protect).Your admiration for Hillary & her Anything goes, as long it goes My way, is a CROCK OF S--T.
It won't be much longer before America send's her back to the voter's of New York, because We Reject & Denounce Her!In My opinion, her Political career is almost over.Now that New Yorker's have seen the underpinning's of the Goldwater girl, her reelection to the Senate won't come as easy as before.

I'm astounded as to why, once again, American's are being screwed again by Florida voter's.A Democrat introduced the original bill in the State legislature, Knowing that dates were set & any state trying to change would be Punished in some way.With that in mind, Democrat's in Florida still said Screw You America, We're Florida & we're gonna do this anyway.I'm unaware of how the Michigan vote originated, but they also were Aware of the national rules also & the Consequences.
People are in Prison for breaking the Rules(Laws). Do we let them Out for a do over to see if they would Murder, Rape, Burn Down, Steal, Etc.etc.etc if put in the Same situation. Hell No, we don't.Let the Democratic Nominee deal with the making up to the Florida & Michigan voter in November. Hillary has Lost!There is No pssible way for her to Win Now!The only way is to STEAL the nomination.If That happen's, the Democratic Party is done for, it will no longer exsist, it will become as laughable as the Wig's.

Why Any So called Democratic party leader is letting the Clinton's Tear this party down is beyond any rational train of thought!

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Expelliarmus, OH — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:00:19 GMT

J. Merle Stanley, do some FACTUAL research:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

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The American People — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:02:33 GMT

Haha, I love these desperate Clinton supporters stretching for anything and everything to try and defile Obama. You guys are latching on to his pastor now? Really?? What's next? "His dog is not house trained? Surely he is unfit to be commander in chief.

Each day I see yet another ridiculous, juvenile attack from that excuse of a campaign I lose just a little more faith in humanity.

Clinton supporter or hater you have to respect Barry for being the bigger person here and continually rising above this mud-slinging madness.

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Maggie Nash — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:04:13 GMT

Well, Hillary, your "kitchen sink" finally did Obama in. The "Wright" incident did it. You should be very proud of yourself. I can only hope Mr McCain will be the winner in November. I intend to vote for him. I have heard many people say "she will do anything she has to do to win" and I didn't believe it, but I do now. You just lost my vote and many more.

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Bonnie — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:05:22 GMT

I've been nagging for weeks for Gore, Richardson, Biden, Carter and Edwards to get off their butts and endorse. Jaycee expressed it much better. I always look forward to Jaycees posts. It seems to me that the few who rail against him have angry, frightened personalities.

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Maggie Nash,VT — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:05:26 GMT

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Pat, Boston, MA — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:06:05 GMT

Hello CA,Tuscaloosa, AL,

I believe I owe you an acknowledgement. I have been one of Barack Obama’s supporters who believed he should have been going after Hillary Clinton with guns blazing. You disagreed right from the get-go. It was your opinion that if Barack was going to run a different type of campaign, he had to be consistent. Well, after watching what has developed since the kitchen sink throwing began, I have to say I am very impressed with the way he has handled it all.

He has shown maturity, dignity and humor. The article about his mother in the NY Times is fascinating. I like what I’m seeing in the midst of this brutal contest. He has remained above the fray just as he promised he would do. Good call on your part.
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I’m pulling myself away from politics for a few days. The baseball season is fast approaching. Each March I read a biography about the best of the best baseball players from the old days. I have just started a book about Shoeless Joe Jackson. I can’t wait to get fully engulfed in it. Nothing like reading about America in the early 1900's with players such as Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Walter Johnson, Babe Ruth {when he was a pitcher}, Honus Wagner Connie Mack, Nap Lajoie, Chas. Comiskey. It is true - Shoeless Joe Jackson could not read or write (except his name).

I’m hooked!

Anyway, just to repeat - your insights into this campaign have been dead on.

Barack Obama/Jim Webb 2008 - Change -

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Nj — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:07:40 GMT

I think Obama needs to be a Big man now and reach out to Hill and ask her to be VP and end this fighting. I can not stand her but I think this is for the good of the whole. He will look like the Ultimate Uniter and if she says no she will look like the sore loser that she is.
Do it Obama

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jesse St.Paul Minnesota — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:08:26 GMT

Who is going to step in?No one!The dems leaders are staying away as to let this play out and let everyone vote.But the vote is now being used to divided by race and gender.I see who is driving the divide card,Media will not let it go,print won't.pundints won't this is here to stay,and it will long after the election is over.In football when you are the underdog and you know you are overmatched you hope for rain,rain can change the whole game.You can't win by just calling the other team names.We all see that msnbc has some staff that are conservative republicans Dittoheads,there on a they like seeing what is going on,they admit it.So if you can please stick to the issues .Barack is trying to stay above the mud slinging while to Billery camp is hoping for a thunder storm.People say this is oh "just polltics and if this is all that it is can anyone tell me why it is this way.

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Conrad, San Antonio — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:08:31 GMT

Exaggerations and Half-Truths

HIllary claims she is the winner in the big-state primaries.

FACT: She won five of the nine "big state" votes. Obama won the popular vote in those state by nearly 500,000 votes.

Look behind Hillary's claims for action and performance and you find exaggerations and half-truths, again and again.

Tell a lie often and loud enough and (some) people believe it.