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Ron, TX — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:49:30 GMT

For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle – as we did in the OJ trial – or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright’s sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we’ll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, “Not this time.” This time we want to talk about the crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children and Hispanic children and Native American children. This time we want to reject the cynicism that tells us that these kids can’t learn; that those kids who don’t look like us are somebody else’s problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids, and we will not let them fall behind in a 21st century economy. Not this time.

Not this time!
Obama '08!

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twocanpete — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:49:55 GMT

http://twocanpete.blogspot.com
HRC has only Rev Wright and the Super Delegates to save her now.

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Steve — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:51:25 GMT

Obama should agree to let the American people speak in every county and in every state. What is he afraid of. Every American deserves to vote for their candidate of desire. Regarding Obama he gets an "A" for speeches and a "F" for action. The American people can see through this rhetoric. His ACTION was staying with and now continuing to standby a pastor who is clearly racist and denounces the United States. His rhetoric of saying he knew nothing and rarely knew of Rezko based on a earlier debate this year and yet his ACTION shows that Rezko contributed close to a half million dollars to his campaign and they had adjoining properties and a close relationship. We all know Obama has the ability to gives these great speeches. So what. These speeches mean nothing when you have a candidate whose action shows that he has a close relationship from a person of criminal activity and a candidate that has a close relationship with a pastor that denounces the United States and a candidate that voted "present" on many controversial votes that might affect his political career. The American people are smart enough to see that Obama's action is what defines him not his speeches! America will never elect Obama for President based on his actions!

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An American Woman — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:52:04 GMT

ATTENTION ALL SWIFTBOATERS OUT THERE !!

Get your wallets out boys!! The waters are going to be real smooth sailing for ya in the fall!

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Florida mad as hell Democratic voter — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:56:04 GMT

He again Senator Obama talks about "uniting" his party,but will not sign off on a new election in Michigan.Hillary approved the idea days ago,and sent Obama a letter asking for his support with no response.Obama will lose the election, and this is comming from a "life" long Democrat. I 'am fed up ! But don't count on my vote McCain, I live in Florida an it probably will not count anyway.

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Chris Sp. Seminole, FL — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:59:58 GMT

We'll I suggest that MI voters start doing what Florida Dem's are doing. We've already got close to 8,000 Dem's switching from Democrat to Independant to voice our displeasure and protest our supposed leaders. I'm sick and tired of our Democratic leaders taking us, the voters, for granted. Republicans never do so, and that's why they end up winning more ofter then not. They obviously don't care about our vote, so maybe they won't get it in Nov. Maybe then and only them will they stop pandering to us, yet not doing anything they promise on the stump. If we get enough Dem's together to protest, then maybe they will actually start working for us, in order to win us back.

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Frank — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:00:27 GMT

The involved parties should have complained when they were offered the consequences for their intended action.

You violate the rules and you are aware of the consequences - then don't be surprised when you have to suffer the consequences.

Clinton planed to take advantage of this all along .. leaving her name on the ballot while her opponents were not on it - and then claim 'victory'. That may work in Russia but not in the United States !!

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PATTY,SD,CA — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:01:04 GMT

Support for the primary is weak for numerous reasons, the biggest reason being Obama's reluctance to sign off. Republicans, local clerks and state officials, however, also have raised concerns about rushing to create a special primary for logistical and legal reasons.

Obama is just digging a biger grave for himdelf.

ANYONE BUT OBAMA

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HT-MI — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:01:06 GMT

Yes I have already heard that Obama hasn't decided to agree to a redo--Hillary has already consented.Thank Obama---you can be sure if we do get a revote despite you You need not worry about my family voting for you we did not the first time and if you make it to the general you will not have our votes either.Your campaign has been racist from the beginning---you have praised Reagan and scorned Bill Clinton and our party.You have had bad judgement since you decided to run for president.

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HP Boston — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:02:52 GMT

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You know better Chuck — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:02:55 GMT

Chuck,
Don't try to put this on Obama's doorstep. Hillary's people will do that all by themselves. You're a better analyst than that. Michigan delivered a labyrinthian proposal that had been crafted by Hillary supporters to Obama. He rightly said he needed time to look at it to make sure that ALL VOTERS were protected, not just white women over 60. Don't poison the waters by attempting to say this is Obama's fault.

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adam/Brooklyn New York City — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:03:40 GMT

Also- The HRC White House Papers are going to be released on Weds.

11,000 pages with about 4700 redactions (the Clintons couldn't survive without their precious redactions see: The Berrett Report)

We will get to see what she's hiding very soon.

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Get it right Chuck — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:04:57 GMT

Patty and HT,
The proposal was CREATED by Hillary supporters. Obama rightly said that he needed time to make sure ALL voters were protected, not just white women over 60. As I posted earlier to Chuck, his reporting on this was terribly biased to HIllary. If you're so mad, send your hate mail to the Michigan representatives that thumbed their noses at the process. It's THEIR fault, NOT Obama's. Nice try though and I'm sure we'll hear you continue to scream about this for the next few months.

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HP Boston — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:05:39 GMT

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Residents of Glass Houses, Stop Throwing Stones — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:08:12 GMT

Steve,
When your candidate releases the documents that Democrats need to decide whether she has been truly vetted, you can jump on your high-horse and denounce somebody else. Until then, please bunker down in your glass house and leave the stones outside. Obama has fully explained Rezko and now Wright. Hillary continues to hide behind her attack dogs, Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson.

Where are her?
1) Taxes
2) White House Records
3) Major donors to the Clinton library

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Class Warrior, D.C. — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:09:01 GMT

GOOD! It never should've hapened anyway. Maybe in four years they'll be smart enough to follow the DNC's explicit rules. Maybe.

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Jano,Clearwater,Fl — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:10:38 GMT

I am an independent as I am not for the super well-off being treated with velvet gloves and I am not for Carte-blanche abortion. In other words people getting pregnant because of stupid decisions & what they think is their right to sexual freedom & then rather than face the consequences, just eliminate the problem they created thereby destroying a life. There are a few reasons for abortion that involve medical descisions and that I would leave to the doctors and people involved. But usually I have been for the Democratic Party's ideals of the advancement of the underdog. Those people that would be taken advantage of by the rich & powerful. In a way that is also in their favor as a top heavy economy would soon make them poor also as is evident in today's economical situtation. But I must say that I am greatly dissappointed in the Democratic Party's Elite in thinking that it is OK to disenfranchise it's own members. I am sure their will be a huge backlash & something they will regret for a long time. You really should listen to your member's & learn to lead rather then dictate! Over this, I am sure there will become a lot more independent voters & you will lose money. Perhaps a new & strong party will emerge.

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Matt, Las Vegas, NV — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:10:55 GMT

I just want all Democrats to remember ONE THING on this day, that marks 5 full years since we invaded Iraq:

U.S. Deaths Confirmed By The DoD: 3988
U.S. Deaths Pending DoD Confirmation: 2
Total: 3990

When it comes time to choose between McCain and any Democratic candidate, I hope we will all remember the numbers I put up above. This war in Iraq did NOT have to happen, many of you in this country screwed up and supported this war, it's time for you to make good on repairing America by standing up NOW against this stupid war that MUST end.

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adam/Brooklyn New York City — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:12:20 GMT

Michigan has only Michigan to blame.

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WE WANT TO COUNT TOO! — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:13:10 GMT

Why is Obama dis enfranchising all his votes in Fl and MI? Why will he not let his people vote for him. I am sue they donated money from their meager resourses and want to vote for him.
LET THE PEOPLE VOTE

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Deborah Greenlawn, NY — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:13:49 GMT

Anything the Clintons support will only be
advantageous to participants named Clinton.
FL and MI are NOT Obama's fault. He honored his pledge as did Sen. Edwards. Put their honor where their names on the ballots were concerned and withdrew in MI. Clintons did their usual weasel move and left hers on knowing this would blow up all along.
No one should support an unfair vote to all just so Hillary can steal 2.

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Obama is a Joke — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:14:45 GMT

Not so many on this post yet, but plenty today. You have to love all of the super Obama supporters throwing their hands in the air, "Yes we can!" And all the other 3-4 word slogans that get them happy an cheerful. They are SO sure that if we elect Obama the world is going to change. It's kind of cute, like watching a cat bat an ice cube around the kitched floor. "Oh wow, it's so amazing, OMG!" No, not really. It's just an ice cube. Push a button and you can find more.

Their support reminds me a lot of what we see in third-world countries, where everyone is crazy about a new change-based leader, and after a few years their in the same mess, if not a worse one, than before.

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One of "many" life long Democrats — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:16:01 GMT

If Obama gets the nomination,I will vote for almost anyone else,except McCain.

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Michael — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:16:10 GMT

obama wants open primaries to because he always loses among Dems unless there is a lot of blacks

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Deborah Greenlawn, NY — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:16:34 GMT

"50/50 for Michigan... and Florida too!"

(Just sub the non-existent candidate in MI, Mr./Ms. Uncommitted,
that almost half of the voters preferred to Sen. Clinton and that can be Sen. Obama's share.)

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DeniseGA — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:18:19 GMT

The media is distorting that facts!!

HOW DOES OBAMAS CONCERNS OVER THE REVOTE, TRUMPS THE STATE LEGISLATURE?

They are misleading the pubic, with that comments

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nuanced — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:23:52 GMT

Start a website where Michigan and Florida voters can register their votes. All votes will be open and subject to verification. Who could complain about cheating? Anyone can get internet access from local libraries if they don't have it at home. It could count as the official vote for delegate selection or it could be similar to a petition to influence the super-delegates. Either way the voters in those state could feel their votes counted for something. There is not need for the candidates to campaign; anyone who doesn't know them by now never will.

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HT-MI — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:24:36 GMT

To all you know it alls about MI---Obama refused to have his name on the ballot--even declined to be a write in.There were 4 names on the ballot and all the republcans.He knew he would lose MI and was afraid to lose.You still do not get this guy do you?Worry that you may be the next disenfranchised voter.I guess that this means you agreed that the votes should not be counted in 2000,also?

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Jano, Clearwater, Fl — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:26:19 GMT

So I ask, what kind of protection do the voters need? I don't understand the reasoning behind that. Please explain Mr. O'Bama or one of his knowledgeable supporters. The Democratic nominee should be chosen by the members of the Democratic party. They pay their dues and contribute to this party.

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Zero Domestic Attacks Since 9/11/01 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:27:12 GMT

Matt in Las Vegas --- Here's a number for you. Number of times Islamic terrorists have managed to catch American civilians off guard here at home since the start of the Iraq War : 0

Either extremists attack our troops there or attack civilians over here. No coincidence why there havent been any Islamic extremist attacks here in 6 and a half years. They're gunning for our sercivemen and women. Radical muslims already proved they can kill 3000 civilians in a matter of hours.

So you can pick. Read about bombings in Baghdad killing dozens of civilians, or read about similar bombings here. Because as long as troops are there, so will the terrorists.

Iraq was NOT about 9/11. Everyone knows that. It was about creating a distractor so there wouldn't be another one, and I'm OK with that.

Any five-year-old can say, "War is bad" but it takes a leader, or a fighter, to understand why sometimes you just have to deal with it. That's what we're here for.

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scbrown — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:28:23 GMT

To Chuck Todd:

Something red states democrats delegates have to think about.

How many christian red states Democrats delegates representatives are going to vote for Obama after his pastor remarks? Their republican opponents will use these videos against them.

At the congressional level anything goes. These tapes are worst than the "Swift Boat" ads. Obama pastor made anti-american racist comments. How is red states democrats going to explain this? Not to mention the 9/11 and AIDS comments.

Therefore, it will be more likely Democrats will lose seat in the Red States.

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Garry, Omaha, Nebraska — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:29:14 GMT

I agree with the post that stated those complaining from the Florida and Michigan Democratic Party are late. You should have voiced your outrage to your Democratic Party officials when they set the wheels in motion that created this mess. They tried to circumvent the rules of their own party and got called on it. Senator Obama has said all along he would abide by whatever the DNC deciced to do, including re-votes. Tempers are high now and many Democrats are angry. If Senator Obama does win the nomination and if you want to "punish" him by voting Republican, consider some things. Consider four more years of an out of control Iraq war and possible forays into Iran. Consider more sub-prime mortages messes created by the lack of supervision of our elected officials. Consider continuing rising health costs as the Republican Administation does little or nothing to control annual double digit health cost price increases. Consider the Republicans turning a blind eye to the need for more jobs in our country and encourages outsourcing via tax subsidies to corporations. Don't punish yourselves, regardless of the nominee, vote Democratic!

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Michelle Zee — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:29:40 GMT

I don't understand how this is made to be an Obama issue, when the local officials of the party decided on this?

Have we lost it Americans's? Out of 50 states, we have 2 states not like the others! Why did they chose that path?

Are we this shallow? We fight among each other and the people we vote into office continue to ruin everything democratic.

Anger should be towards the party officials who blundered this and not towards each other or either candidate.

The ELECTORAL COLLEGE is sitting back smiling and ready to put McCain in office, because they know the Democrats have errored once again!

They are betting we throw this election in the dump which means the war doesn't end, KBR and the oil managers continue to prosper and our children continue to not be competitive on a global ladder.

Why would the Democrats give them that much ammunition? We are some gullible people, get it together folks!

Why else would the Republicans be voting in our election and what one person are they voting for to keep them in the election?

In Texas 119,000, in Ohio, and in Mississippi they voted overwhelmingly to keep the drama going on our side to give them more time to prepare for the general election.

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CitizenJ — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:31:13 GMT

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mike ca — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:32:01 GMT

anybody that wants to throw good money after bad just shows their poor judgement skills. the redos were a dumb idea

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Nicholas: Minnesota — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:33:29 GMT

See, all that fretting (both FL and MI) over nothing ...
--Fear followed by Inaction is now synonymous with Government.

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Leadership is Loyalty — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:34:05 GMT

Who? I say "WHO?" if not Obama, can bring us together.

He is our one great "HOPE" to end divisiveness!

If only you, that hold prejudice in your heart, can forive and rid yourself of arrogance--and LEARN--to hope once again!

The greatest trait of LEADERSHIP IS LOYALTY! Family, God, and Country...sound familiar! Most soldier's know this.

I say if not Obama--then who? Give the man credit--where credit is due!

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M Wells San Diego — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:37:36 GMT

I find it troublesome that MI and FL are always discussed as if they were identical wins. MI has been trying for years to be among the first states. The discussion about this at the DNC meeting was fierce. Michigan felt it had a case to make as a uniquely diverse state, but the Dingels and Sen Levin did not have the clout of Jim Clyburn and Harry Reid. When Michigan changed its primary date, it knew full well what it was doing.
The Florida Democrats, however, never wanted to violate the rules. The early voting date was pushed on them by a Republican Legislature and a Republican Governor, since it was attached as an amendment to a bill mandating paper trail voting. And, while no one "campaigned" in Florida, they all did fundraisers (arrivals covered on the local news), Obama had a national ad buy that spilled over into Florida for a week before the election, and the candidates had had about 15 debates broadcast nationwide before the primary. And now, Florida has a governor who might just become the VP candidate on the Republican ticket. Can the Dems win without Florida? Possibly. But should we chance it?
I see nothing wrong with allocating the delegates "as is".... the uncommitted MI delegates would likely become Obama delegates and the delegates of Edwards, Dodd, Biden, etc in FL would also likely go Obama since they are obviously not Clinton supporters. The addition of these delegates would not substantially alter the math...that is, Hillary would not gain many net delegates, particularly as the inclusion of these delegates would push up the total needed to clinch. It would be seen as a magnanimous gesture by Obama and would not really hurt his delegate count.

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Campdog — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:39:52 GMT

A united Party is a party in which all states and territories have a voice.

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John — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:41:29 GMT

Obama is such a fraud.

Obama is trying to disenfranchise voters. Imagine that?

Obama is a hypocrite. Today, as he's pontificating about his "pastor" and refusing to disassociate himself with an avowed racist, anti-white, anti-semitic, anti-American, pro-Louis Farakaan black supremecy Nation of Islam supporter, Obama is at work trying to keep Michigan and Florida voters from having their votes counted.

Obama also is willing to throw his own white, ill grandmother who took him in under the bus while refusing to do the same for his "mentor" Jeremiah Wright.

Obama also proved himself a liar today when he admitted he was actually in church when his "pastor" Wright made offensive comments. Obama lied all weekend saying he had "never" heard offensive comments in church.

Obama is a disgrace.

Obama is unelectable.

The only question that remains is how fast can the Dems get this toxic loser out of the race before he completely destroys any chance of a Dem victory in November?

Obama cannot be the Dem Pres. nominee or VP nominee, I'll bet after this campaign debacle is over, Obama isn't even re-electable to the U.S. Senate.

The Obamarama is OVER.

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sg, michigan — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:42:41 GMT

Good! As a Michigan resident, I am glad to see this is done. Every Democrat I know in Michigan is not happy with loosing their primary vote. But we all respect the decision. My mother taught me to obey the rules--and here we are.

It's very interesting how people from other states (except Florida, respectfully) scream the most about this disenfranchisement. It's really interesting how Hillary Clinton has taken it upon herself to champion the cause for Michigan. She didn't care at all in January when Michigan and Florida lost their votes. In fact, she signed a document endorsing this rule.

Sounds to me that she has a slippery agenda to fulfill.

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Dr.Strangedog, MI — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:44:02 GMT

Anyone but Obama. I only have one question to that, why? So that means Gravel would have been better?

That seems petty, patty.

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Disenfranchised, my a$$ — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:47:38 GMT

Fl & MI = Dumb & Dumber

No one but yourselves to blame. Now you care, where were you when Harold Ickes was making the rules?

I'll give MI a little leeway, but FL, you've been effing up elections for how many years now? You guys just need to go away until you can learn how to run an election.

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Let's get it right — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:47:40 GMT

M Wells,
Re: Florida, Hillary Clinton had a massive advantage over Obama in Florida. Everywhere he has campaigned, his numbers have gone up. Hers have done the reverse. If she could have run this entire campaign like Florida, she would have. We've heard the Clinton spin that Obama ran an ad on cable TV. It's utter nonse.

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AJ — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:48:57 GMT

What?!?! You mean the DNC rules are going to be followed?!?! How tradegic for America that rules (which are the basis of laws) are going to be followed?!

Hey America follow my lead to resolve the Florida and Michigan primaries. The superdelegates from Florida and Michigan should have no vote. They helped to create this mess in Michigan and Florida. The people who voted should be heard. Michigan pledged delegates show be split 50/50 between Obama and Hillary. Florida pledged delegates should be split 52%-Hillary to 47%-Obama. Short, Simple and sweet.

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Michael — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:51:27 GMT

HOW ABOUT WE WRITE THE PEOPLE OF POWER IN MICHIGAN AND FLORID TO DO A WINNER TAKES ALL PRIMARY IN BOTH STATES SO WHETHER IT IS HRC OR OBAMA WE HAVE A DECISIVE PLEDGED DELEGATE WINNER.

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patty,sd,ca — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:55:06 GMT

Hey certain ignorant Clintonites (patty, etc.),

Obama can't agree to a primary that isn't approved. Idiots. Have you forgotten that Clinton agreed to not seating the Michigan and Florida delegations last summer?
CitizenJ (Sent Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:31 PM)

************************************

A little upset today?

Face it Obama is done.

Clinton 08

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Amy Andersen, Eden Prairie, MN — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:55:12 GMT

“Not this time.”

When you stop to think about it, these simple words may turn out to be the most brilliant three words ever uttered in American politics. They will stand like a barrier to any who try to cross the line of racial divisiveness. Whenever anyone says a black person cannot be elected president, we answer “not this time.” Whenever anyone tries to blame their own economic problems or other woes on minority groups, we answer “not this time.” Whenever someone tries to smear a candidate with personal attacks, we say “not this time.” And whenever some right-wing pundit opens his mouth to say something stupid about Barack Obama, we should all answer resoundingly …

“Not this time.”

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Margaret, Columbus Ohio — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:55:53 GMT

Obama won't sign off, and yet he wants to bring the nation together to solve problems...except for Michigan and Florida, of course.

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rmh — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:56:24 GMT

If only the former first lady (whose foreign policy credentials are about as robust as Laura Bush's) would follow the rules she agreed to in the first place. Imagine if Obama had won Michigan and Mrs. Clinton's name had not been on the ballot -- would she be calling for the delegates to be seated?

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Greg R., Spokane, WA — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:57:11 GMT

What about Do Re Mi

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Dr.Strangedog, MI — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:57:21 GMT

"Obama is a joke" or some other comment "joke" related.

Did Rowe send this out in a memo? I wouldn't question it but the same line from 5 or more (different?) posters makes one wonder.....hmmmmmm

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Union Baby, Tennessee — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:57:34 GMT

M Wells, what on earth makes you think Edwards' delegates support Obama over Hillary? I was an avid Edwards supporter, voted for him cause he had not yet dropped out in my primary - if he had I would have been voting for Hillary like the rest of my family, not Obama. Kind of arrogant, aren't you?
Better yet - use your idea, but release the Edwards, dodd, biden delegates to vote for whomever they feel their local Democratic party wants them to vote for at the Convention. Do this for both FL and Michigan. Don't need a do-over, just some common sense. That way no one can be angry - except those with their heads in an unhealthy body orifice who see no one but Obama.
obama will never win anything in the south - all those voters in Miss. will not vote, if they did they would never have had a repugnant governor all these years, now would they? I have not forgotten Harold Ford, Jr., have you? He is twice as smart and a much better speaker than obama, the repugnants went after him hard and heavey - they will do even more to Obama - don't think he is quite up to the defense or much needed offense.

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matt — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:00:05 GMT

So, in the long run, Hillary will get to keep all of her delegates from MI and FL. You know they'll seat them all...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

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Deborah Greenlawn, NY — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:00:56 GMT

Charles, please. Tell all WHY Sen. Obama was
reluctant to sign off. We'll get the Clintonese
version soon enough.
Thanks for your reporting. Love to read and listen
when you're on.

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KICK HIM TO THE CURB! — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:01:51 GMT

Yeah it is moot. Obama is toast and the superdelegates can not in all good conscious support him for the nomination. I am sure they are all disgusted with the Wright fiasco and Obama lies. They will rethink their support.
HP Boston (Sent Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:05 PM)
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I say moot, moot,moot! Give Obama the boot, boot,boot!!

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Ian — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:02:58 GMT

The saddest thing about this is that too many clowns think this issue is more important than the primary difference between the GOP and the Dems. The GOP bails out Bear Sterns with $30+ billion of the taxpayers' money. The Dems prefer to tackle the problem from the perspective of all those citizens losing their homes.

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Take a deep breath......... — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:06:15 GMT

It is unfortunate that so many are crying 'fowl' about Michigan and Florida. It is NOT Senator Obama's fault. He did not make the rules. The DNC did and Michigan and Florida BOTH knew full well what the consequences would be. It is unfortunate the voters are the ones who are suffering by what those in charge decided to do. Your anger is misguided. It is your State officials whom you should be mad at. Please keep your focus on the REAL problem and do not deflect your anger irrationally.

I am sure your delegates will be seated. It is a re-vote that seems to be in question. Hang on. All things will be worked out. There is no way Senator Obama or Clinton will not allow your delegates to be heard.

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Take a breath..................part 2 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:12:52 GMT

Just a side note I feel needs to be expressed:

Michigan and Florida were in a big hurry to move up their primaries to make sure their voices would heard in this election. In doing so, they were penalized and took away their voters' rights to be a part of this process.

If they had just stayed in their respective slots, their voices WOULD have been heard. The candidates would have had a chance to campaign in each state and present their positions and ideas. If Michigan and Florida had stayed where they were, they would be HUGE in helping to decide this election. I understand the voters' anger and dissatisfaction. But let's face it...the leaders of these States have to be wiping 'egg' off there faces, embarrassed by their rash and unfair decision for their voters. Again.....it is your state officials you should be mad at. Not Obama or Clinton. Stay focused people.

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YCM - NYC — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:15:14 GMT

Anybody here who says (s)he is a democrat and will vote for McCain is either lying or stupid. If you said you aren't going to vote AT ALL if your candidate doesn't get the nomination, that'd be one thing. But to say that you're going to vote for McCain, who basically is a continuation of Bush, makes little sense. Clinton and Obama are basically THE SAME on their policy positions, while McCain is pretty much 180 degrees opposite both of them. A true democrat would never vote for a continuation of the policies of the last 8 years, so either quit taking up space on these blogs with your lies about being a "lifelong democrat" or get your head out of the sand.
Clinton supporters: Obama didn't make the rules for FL and MI, he just abided by them. Obama has said repeatedly that he will continue to abide by what they decide. He has also said that he wants to make sure the voters of those two states are heard. Don't try to put it on Obama that the people of those two states were asleep at the switch when their elected leaders put them in this position.
Finally: to all you voters in MI who swear Obama is somehow the bad guy here, please recall her comments about "Michigan not counting anyway..."

MI re-do 'all but dead'

Pete - Albany, NY (Under New Management) — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:15:29 GMT

Just like Florida, don't blame Senator Obama for this. It was Senator Clinton's own advisor, Harold Ickes, who was among those in DNC leadership who voted to not seat Michigan delegates.

If the Clinton campaign wants to point a finger, the enemy lies within them.

MI re-do 'all but dead'

samoa and guam must be proud — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:15:59 GMT

I think the DNC has a lot of brass to disenfranchise the voters of Mi and Fl. Dean can bellyache all he wants about following rules, but the fact is, it wasn't the voters that moved the primary dates, it was the legislators. There was no voter referendum to move the date. So should the voters of the state suffer because the legislators tried to pull off a stunt that didn't work. I think not. And should the whole party end up with a candidate that is not the choice of all 50 states. I mean lets get real here. Samoa and Guam get to help choose our nominee but not Michigan and Florida. That makes a whole pile of sense. And Americans Abroad. Give me a break, if they're abroad they don't get to vote in the general unless they're registered in a state. Why in the sam hill should they get delegates at the convention? This whole system is just plain stupid. And does it make any sense that in two states Hillary won the popular vote but came out behind in the delegate count. What's up with that? Is that supposed to be the will of the people? I just don't get it. I'd like someone to explain to me how that's fair and democratic.

MI re-do 'all but dead'

Banko — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:18:43 GMT

Good nite Hillary. It's over.

MI re-do 'all but dead'

Tasia Reed, OFallon, IL — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:22:52 GMT

WTF? Why are all of you trying to put this on one candidate, when that candidate followed the rules? Sure he could go ahead and allow for it, but then what does that say about the Democratic Party? That it's a joke and not worth taking seriously. The party leaders in MI and FL knew what was at stake and blew it for you, not Obama, not Clinton. Furthermore, it isn't either of the candidates responsibility to fund YOUR primaries or take the blame for what went wrong. If anything, you should take the blame. Hold your politicians accountable, and if you want a re-vote, pay for it yourself. Otherwise, split the delegates down the middle and move on. That's being generous to Clinton, who didn't follow the rules, and being fair to Obama (and the other candidates) who did follow them.

MI re-do 'all but dead'

FLORIDA DEMOCRATE VOTERS MAD AS HELL ! — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:25:07 GMT

YOUR VOTE DOES NOT COUNT. NOW HOW DO YOU FEEL ? WE'LL SEE YOU AT THE SUPREME COURT.THE CONSTITUTION "GUARANTEES" ME EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW. UNLESS THE CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN CHANGED, THEN MY VOTE HAD DAM WELL BETTER COUNT.

MI re-do 'all but dead'

Keith in PA — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:25:35 GMT

I'm an Obama supporter and I feel sure Obama can win Michigan in either a Democratic primary or a general election based on what's happened there in the past (i.e. Jackson's victory in the primaries) and I'd love to see him win another "big" state to add to victories in Illinois, Texas, Virginia, Georgia, etc so that the Clinton "big state" mantra would seem even less significant BUT, at the same time, I can understand some reluctance on the part of the Obama campaign to do anything risky at this late date in the primaries. I'm OK with the Obama reluctance on this issue. MI and FL made these problems and they'll have to live with the consequences.

MI re-do 'all but dead'

Democrats Blow — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:26:02 GMT

Why would they want to include those delegates from Florida and Michigan? That only increases the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination.

MI re-do 'all but dead'

Bill (anyone but Hillary), Rochester, NY — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:27:29 GMT

How can Obama be to blame for this?
If the MSM says so that's how!
Obama's best chance was for a do over. Hillary Clinton gains by not having a do-over.
After all she "won Michigan" in a Soviet style process where she an uncommitted were the only two names on the ballot. all this after she broke a pledge not to participate "in any way". After all this she still recieved 55% of the votes cast.
Jeez at least Joe Stalin and Kim Jong Il get 90%+ of the votes cast when they ran unopposed.

MI re-do 'all but dead'

Gary, Toronto, ON — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:27:45 GMT

In reading the comments I have to admit I find it a bit shocking that some people are blaming Obama for this mess. He didn't create the situation, he didn't attempt to exploit it the way Clinton did (by leaving her name on the ballot when the others had removed theirs - the only person she really beat was Kucinich which a wet paper bag could do); nor has he hypocritically changed his position on this issue. The Clinton folks really need to direct their anger at the opportunistic Michigan politicians who caused this problem in the first place - oh wait - they are Clinton supporters so I guess that won't happen.

MI re-do 'all but dead'

jay — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:30:18 GMT

all of you people coming down on obama for florida and michigan not re-voting are totally brain dead. he never came out against the re-votes. true, he wasn't cheerleading for them either, but really, why should he?? what intelligent person in the same scenario would be begging for more primary contests when this thing has been dragged out long enough? oh yeah, i know, the candidate who is losing (that's hillary in case you weren't aware).

the democratic party, the party obama is a member of, made a ruling and he said he would stand by it(EVEN IF THE PARTY CHANGED IT'S INITIAL RULING AND DECIDED TO SANCTION RE-VOTE RESULTS). are you really stupid enough to think hillary would be jumping up and down screaming for a re-vote if she were similarly situated?? really, do you?? cuz if you do, I've got this bitchin' bridge in NYC that I'd like you to consider purchasing. unbelievable....

spin all you want, but anyone with half a brain can see this issue for what it is. in case you can't, i'll recast things for you. hillary DOES NOT care about you folks in florida and michigan being "disenfranchised." if she did, she would have spoke out about the DNC's ruling way back when it was first made. no, instead, she decided to become the "champion" of florida and michigan voting rights once she saw she needed those votes/delegates (which she knew and acknowledged ahead of time would not be counted).

MI re-do 'all but dead'

z,jersey city, nj — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:30:42 GMT

Just set them 50/50. If Hillary and her supporters didn't try to change the rules AFTER agreeing to them this would never have happened.

MI re-do 'all but dead'

Enough Already!!! — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:39:52 GMT

Reduce the total delegates (pledged & super) from each state by 50% and go with the January totals. Since Clinton only rcvd 50% of the vote in MI, she should only get 50% and Obama should get the rest.

MI re-do 'all but dead'

A Of Illinois — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:42:37 GMT

If the states were a high concentration of blacks I'm sure Obama would be all for a re-do of the primary but because these states aren't "HIS" demographic he won't sign off on a re-do. If he is the best candidate then what is he afraid of? These voters did not make the decision to move their primaries up and therefore should not be penalized by not having their votes and voices counted. I understand the DNC's original punishment but in light of the very close race there is justification to overturn that decision and have ALL THE VOTES COUNTED. If Obama were to lose the popular vote during this campaign without counting these two states votes then he is stealing this election just as Bush did in 2000. Hopefully MSNBC will actually update their posts and let some differing opinions on the post. It seems like the Hillary posts get closed out (I know because mine rarely show up).

MI re-do 'all but dead'

Obama - No you Can't — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:45:29 GMT

Obama ensured there was an extra nail in this coffin. Revote - not unless I'm guaranteed more than my fair share. And especially now after people are getting to know me.

MI re-do 'all but dead'

Bob Ross, Charlotte, NC — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:49:16 GMT

Anyone who can not see who is REALLY ready to LEAD this country on DAY ONE after hearing this speech is truly hopelessly married to politics and society as usual. As a middle aged, middle class white man, I was supporting Obama because I sensed he was the only person in the race who truly wanted to change the direction of politics in this country. I am now 100% committed to him for his understanding of the social problems that have been festering in this country and his desire to be a catalyst for changing those as well. Absolutely brilliant speech and what I have wanted to hear for a long long time.

MI re-do 'all but dead'

Shtuey — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:49:39 GMT

Guess what Barry? Your stubborness just cost the Democrats Michigan in the fall, and Florida. You won't win PA or Ohio or NC either. In fact, the 527s are going to run your pastor on TV in every rural county in America. You've already lost the general election and the super delegates know it. Now that you've helped sabotage their plans to make a Clinton nod more legitimate, their going to have to vote for her nomination instead of yours.

You blew it Obama. Telling lies and running from what you believe in is not "Change you can believe in" or good judgement.