The delegate fight: Getting desperate?

class Warrior, D.C. — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:20:47 GMT

NO RE-DOS!!! THEY SCREWED UP AND BROKE THE RULES! THE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH IT!!
Like all spoiled children, maybe they'll learn to listen better the next time...

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Move On! — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:22:37 GMT

Hillary stop trying to cheat.

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adam/Brooklyn New York City — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:24:01 GMT

The Michigan Revote, brought to yu by Ford and General Motors.

No thanks. We've already got a privatized millitary, we don't need privatized elections.

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Brad Glisson, Durham, North Carolina — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:25:10 GMT

For God's sake please dont overturn the rule of the people. I don't want another Chicago 68. There will be blood in the streets if they take this from Obama.

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AJ, Philadelphia, PA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:27:41 GMT

Very desperate

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obie, burtrum, mn — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:27:47 GMT

The effect of the speech.

There has been much speculation about the effect of Obama's historic speech on the working class, white vote -- Clinton's base. I think this is the wrong question. If Obama makes inroads into her base, so be it. More importantly, if he holds his own base -- blacks, educated liberals, voters under 30 -- Clinton cannot overcome the status quo.

Thus, I think the greatest importance of his speech yesterday was to solidify and hold his own base, and I expect the speech accomplished that -- if it also allows him inroads into her base, that is gravy.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:31:23 GMT

What do you mean "getting?" She's been desperate for weeks - basically since she realized that her delegate gains in New Jersey were neutralized by a single, small caucus state... and her team wasn't ready for the next day.

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Lisa, New Britain, CT — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:40:38 GMT

Yesterday Bill Clinton said Hillary "wears well". Well, I got news for you. Desparation does not wear well and I have long thought the Clinton's seemed DESPARATE to win. Thus their incessant request for rule bending and breaking.

This is extraordinarily disengenuous to say that Obama is the one holding up the revote. Two points, any revote at this point is inherently problematic...anyone advocating for or suggesting a way of having a revote has a stake in the game in some way. This is why you do not change rules in the middle of the game. Point two, it is not Obama's problem to solve but he has never been the one standing in the way of it. He just says it needs to be fair, he has also said he will abide by what the DNC says. If you want to blame anyone, blame the Clinton campaign staffer, Harold Ickes who stood in the way at the beginning. And yes, First Read, I know you have mentioned that before!

Woman for Obama 08

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REG; East Valley Phx. AZ — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:41:45 GMT

McCain’s experience and Hillary’s exposure can both be used to argue in favor of their merit but what weight does either point have when it can be shown that only Barak has the insight and the conviction to fix the problems? The conservative views that McCain touts and the liberal solutions that Hillary offers do nothing when they each fail to recognize, identify and address the real problems. When Barak stated in his recent speech that “- a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many –“ it represented an understanding of the source and reason for the problems and then that he, unlike the other two who have been part of the culture that created, maintained and benefited from that behavior, can seek the changes needed. Like McCain who stubbornly advocates the continuation of the Bush policies, Hillary has also been totally dependent on “Washington as usual” to get where she is, they are literally charter members of the club. They, out of habit and tied-in by their necessity, will only protect and perpetuate the conditions that are at the base of the problems, which includes the Iraq War. If we truly want the changes that we desperately need, then we had better not be swayed by McCain’s experience or Hillary’s exposure, which speak more of their connection to the problems, and rather ignore their deceptive criticisms of Barak to understand and objectively evaluate his insight. Neither McCain nor Hillary can fix the problems because they simply are part of the problems!

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Barbara - DALLAS — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:48:09 GMT

Do the Dems really think they win in the general election without Florida and Michigan? Especially Florida! It was a boneheaded move by both states to move up their primaries, BUT the reality is, the Dems need both states in November. Do not disenfranchise the voters of those states, they did nothing wrong. Something has to be worked out and both campaigns and the DNC should be working towards that end, not throwing up roadblocks.

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iowan — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:50:14 GMT

To those who whine and wonder aloud about whether Obama is 'tough' enough, it certainly appears that by making the rules stick he is holding the Clinton head under water until it breathes no more. Playing hard, playing fair. When he brings her down, he will have done something the other candidates have not.

Obama is right to respect the electorate; that's his key and people are responding.

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California Voter — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:52:04 GMT

Senator Clinton: it's not Obama's fault. Go yell at the lawmakers in Michigan who thought they'd get away with this stunt.

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Chris, MI — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:54:56 GMT

Because it was the Michigan party leadership which ultimately decided to take the risk of moving up the primary, and which is now changing its tune and arguing against the resulting chastisement, are their superdelegate votes going to count? If our primary votes didn't count, do Dingell and Levin, Granholm and Conyers, still get to cast what might be an influential or even deciding vote on the nomination? I've tried to find an answer to that: do superdelegates from Florida and Michigan count at the convention, or were they "disenfranchised" as well?

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:09:25 GMT

Hillary never cared about Florida or Michigan until she was supassed by Barack Obama. To this day, she still doesn't care about those folks and their problems. She just cares about the votes. She never plays the game by the rules and I wouldn't be surprised if Bill is putting the screws to Howard Dean this morning.

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Jack Phil Pa — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:10:40 GMT

OBAMA STANDS BEHIND SPIRITAL ADVISOR WRIGHT!
“Wright is like an uncle you love and respect”
Rather than break ties with his demagogic, anti-American pastor, Barack Obama used a speech on race to excuse his behavior and sweep the controversy under the rug. Passing the buck is not very presidential. IT’S WAY TOO LATE OBAMA, NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR YOUR LIES AND EXCUSES OR A SPEECH SOMEONE WROTE OR STOLE FOR YOU! YOU HAVE CLAIMED TO BE A MEMBER FOR 20 YEARS, YOU KNOW FULL WELL WHAT THIS RACIST ANTI-AMERICAN PREACHES EACH WEEK, YOU CAN BUY THE DVDS ON THE WEBSITE, and THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU’RE RASING YOUR YOUNG DAUGHTERS? YOU ARE MOST CERTINALLY NOT THE LEADER FOR THIS GREAT COUNTRY!

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Mark Luxford, Dorr, MI — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:11:56 GMT

The idea of a re-do vote in Florida is dead. The idea of a re-do vote in Michigan is comatose and on life support. It's time to pull the plug.

Michigan and Florida were wrong in moving up their primaries without the permission of the DNC. The DNC was wrong in hammering Michigan and Florida with punishments that far exceed what was called for in the party's Primary rules. Both sides were guilty of wrongful actions, and both need to acknowledge that what they did was wrong. Then, the states should accept sanctions by the DNC, and the DNC should rescind the punishment given to Michigan and Florida and impose the punishment called for in the primary rules---the loss of half of the delegates.

The Clinton campaign needs to remember the old saying about half a loaf being better than none; drop the pushing for re-do primaries, and instead press the states and the DNC to acknowledge their wrongful actions and reach a compromise. This can be resolved without holding costly, unnecessary re-do primaries in Michigan and Florida.

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meg — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:12:40 GMT

I think that when the difference of the popular votes between the candidates is 2% and considering MI and FL, it is less than 0.2% or 80,000 votes. It is silly, if the votes are note counted or a re-do is not done. It is particularly true for both MI and FL, when democrats need these states so badly.

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Diane from Illinois — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:14:35 GMT

Why can't Michigan and Florida voters SEE that Clinton didn't care about their vote BEFORE she was losing this contest and NOW, all of a sudden, it's an "injustice" that their votes won't count? Are the people of both states so blinded that they can't see her for what she truly is? Desperate and willing to take the Democratic party down with her? Is THIS the type of person you want to see in the White House? Please, people, look at it for what it is....a last attempt to make the bid for the nomination....no matter what the cost. Do you think she would be making a special trip to Michigan today if she were the one who was ahead in the polls? She would have pressured Obama after Texas to drop out; why can't she take her own advice and drop out of this race so we can ALL get behind the people's choice of barack Obama?

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Diane from Illinois — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:21:11 GMT

Isn't the fact that the Clinton campaign hadn’t publicly announced the support of a new superdelegate since February 7 -- and that since Super Tuesday, Clinton had lost seven supers (including Eliot Spitzer) while Obama had gained 47 worth repeating time and time again? If she were so electable, then why wouldn't these numbers show it?

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Stand-up — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:33:50 GMT

Like Glen Beck says--Hilary--

TOO BAD

Your leaders-- not Barrack Obama-- broke the rules. Blame them --ignorant clintonites--not Obama.
In fact, FIRE THEM,,IMPEACH THEM,, WERE IS THE VOICE OF THE VOTERS IN MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA--ARE YOU COWARDS? CAN'T YOU PUT THE BLAME WHERE IT IS DUE--WITH YOU STATES' LEADERSHIP? I AM EMBARRASSED TO CALL YOU MY COUNTRY-MEN- BECAUSE YOU, THE PEOPLE OF THE STATES OF MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA HAVE NO GUTS!

YOU SIT THERE AND CRY, "UNFAIR, MY VOTE SHOULD COUNT!"
AND I AGREE--IT SHOULD-- BUT WHO REALLY DISENFRANCHISED YOU---YOUR STATES'--LEADERSHIP--

I SHOULD HAVE BEEN WATCHING MARCHES IN THE STREETS OF FLORIDA AND DETROIT LAST NIGHT WHICH INSISTED THE THE STATE LEADERSHIP RESIGN FROM OFFICE IMMEDIATELY--OR PAY FOR A NEW ELECTION FROM THEIR OWN POCKETS--OR THE THEY SHOULD BE IN COURT FOR THIS TRAVISTY.

THIS WOULD NOT STAND IN THE STATE WHERE I AM FROM.

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twocanpete — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:34:41 GMT

http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
HRC needs to pop a Geritol and end the circular firing squad she calls a campaign team. Too many hens in the hen house and rooster Bill is stuck out in the pasture. Al Gore 2.0

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Enrique, Chicago — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:34:51 GMT

Since Hillary can't win the nomination as she's supposed to (elected delegates), she's doing everything she possibly can to bend the rules and spin her way to the nomination. It's become quite obvious that Hillary is no longer in this race for the voters. She's in this for herself.

I like the idea of having a caucus for super delegates. This nomination must be decided before the convention. Otherwise, Hillary and Bill will continue with their dirty tricks and tactics all throughout the summer.

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Greg, Atlanta — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:39:28 GMT

Hillary getting desperate – nah, really? What do you mean; she's been desperate for over a month. This race was over right after Super Tuesday. Hillary and her team believed that she would have the nomination wrapped up after the Super Tuesday primary. With no contingency plan in place for a tie or loss on Super Tuesday team Hillary was caught flat footed. In heavy weight fight she gave up the middle rounds of the fight allowing Obama to win round after round. In so doing team Hillary was hoping that she would catch her breath and deliver a late round knockout of her challenger in either Ohio or Texas. Since that plan fell flat she has relied increasingly on the hope that Obama will make some huge mistake that will essentially cost him the fight or getting an undeserved score card victory from the judges via the super delegates. At this point she is the fighter that refuses to go down but lost the fight three or four rounds ago. We have a lot of admiration for her for her gutsy will to fight on but it has become increasingly apparent that she has been over matched and out classed by her opponent at every turn of the bout. Bloodied beyond all recognition Hill fights on scrapping for each and every point hoping beyond hope that a miracle will happen and she might still come out the victor. Hillary getting desperate – no she is so far past desperate we don’t even have a word to describe it yet!

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Nancy-- WI — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:46:09 GMT

Democratic Michigan and Florida voters are not "being" disenfranchised. They did it to themselves by moving their primaries--FULLY knowing that they would not be seated if they did so. I see no issue except Clinton political expediency in the present wrangle. I don't understand why there was such a rule, but since they enacted it, why would they now have reason to violate it--at hugh taxpayer expense, or privately funded (how sleazy) vote or mailing in (how lacking in accountability).

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DW, Miami, FL — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:47:21 GMT

A Democrat seeking private funding for a public election. If that's not desperate I can hardly imagine what is.

Hillary is lobbying hard for the VP position and I believe that she should be McCain first choice!

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Sargeant Ward, No Little Rock, Arkansas — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:03:50 GMT

This is not rocket science, the best course of action is to divide MI and FL delegates 50/50, the only honest solution. Otherwise democratic leaders will be taking sides with the Clinton's campaigns dirty underhanded cheating and lying tactics.

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DeniseGA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:06:07 GMT

Why do people assume, the people of Florida and Michigan will not vote in November or suddenly become republicans? To assume that you are insulting them, and saying they are using this election as a game.

THIS IS NOT A GAME, THIS IS FOR THE PRESIDENT OF OUR FAILING COUNTRY. OUR ECONOMY IS IN FREE FALL, PEOPLE ARE LOSING THIER JOBS, HOMES,LIVES, AND PEOPLE STILL DON'T GET HOW SERIOUS THIS IS!

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MBM, Chicago, IL — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:18:57 GMT

Why don't the Mich. & Florida Democrats pay for their own primary do-overs? And, why not have them open primaries? Everybody just show up at the polling place and vote. Wasn't the Florida congressional vote for the movement of the primary date unanimous? If the Democratic leaders of the state voted to move the date up and were willing to have the vote disqualified, why are they complaining now? Also, where was Hillary then? She doesn't give a darn about Michigan and Florida. She needs them now and is willing to go Banana Republic. Their approach is now: "We have to pick the candidate that is the most electable and Hillary and Bill will determine who is the most electable".

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no friend of HRC — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:39:14 GMT

As she has said herself, "I'm in it to win it!" And it doesn't matter what it takes! Although, I think she was referring more to the general election and the Presidency, rather than slogging through the primary season!

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Dave in AL — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:40:54 GMT

Clinton wants to spend other people's good money, the sweat we bleed in taxes, to have redo's to get what she wants. I don't think so. These two states are guilty of not following the rules. End of story.

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LB, VA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:58:16 GMT

Tick tock tick tock tick tock.....

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robert frapples — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:15:51 GMT

Ha ha
It's over billary
Time to get back to the senate and try to do some real work for a change.

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RobinL, Phoenix, AZ — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:28:05 GMT

Oh, Hillary---please go away! How narcissistic of this woman, and thoughtless. She shows every concern for her own welfare and none for her party or her country. Go far, far away, Hillary..

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StevO, Denver — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:46:02 GMT

No precedent setting re-do's, which could haunt the Dems later with legal problems. Why take that chance just because HRC is desparate. She needs to go now, even before the Penn primary and all posturing for Rendell and cronies. We need a candidate now, not in late June or July. We need to have time for the wounds to heal and unite behind the Dem candidate.

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Linda Montgomery — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:39:17 GMT

As a teacher, I am glad that there is an actual example of rules being followed and known consequences suffered. If this had not happened, can you imagine trying to set up a primary calendar next time? If the MI and FL votes feel cheated, they need to take that up with their state officials who broke the rules and vote them out.

I would hope the voters of the two states are intelligent enough to know when they are being used by Hillary. Did she care about them before she needed them? She throws away states all the time, calling them unimportant.

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T, NY, NY — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:55:52 GMT

Why is this an issue? Because HRC is losing. That's why.

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Dwaine — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:59:35 GMT

We must also consider that the Clinton and Bush families may have a bet on who will end up with the most presidential terms in office.

Or Hillary might be competing against Bill?

One thing is sure. She is not betting for this Country.

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Dwaine — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:01:52 GMT

Our Skywalker

The Empire has found a weapon to indirectly harm Skywalker.

The Empire’s indirect approach is the only way of stopping Skywalker because they say “The Force is Strong in this One”.

Skywalker has other names; the” Candidate of Hope”, the “Yes We Can” Man, and Barack Obama.

The Empire has other names too; Special Interest, the Republican Party, and the names related to other parties to which Special Interest and the Republican Party support and vote for.

If “We the People” do not embrace Skywalker, the Empire will destroy another great leader from Illinois.

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Lee-- Dallas, TX — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:22:17 GMT

Who's trying to disenfranchise voters ?
Hillary wants to delay the Texas results
WHY ?

From Huff Post:

'...Texas Dems reject Clinton effort to delay caucuses

By Anna M. Tinsley | Fort Worth Star-Telegram

Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2008 email

Texas Democratic leaders said Monday that they will not delay the March 29 conventions that will help determine how many delegates are awarded to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama or set up "unnecessary" verification processes to review those who already cast their votes.

Clinton's camp sent a letter Friday asking that the March 29 conventions at the senatorial district or county level — the next step in the state's hybrid of a primary election and caucus — be delayed until signatures from the conventions held March 4 could be verified.

The party said no. "The overwhelming majority of problems reported in Texas do not affect the legitimacy of delegates allocation," Texas Democratic Party Chairman Boyd Richie said in a statement. "The Texas Democratic Party will not do as suggested by one campaign and circumvent party rules to set up an unnecessary, ad hoc 'verification' process that could effectively disqualify delegates selected at their precinct conventions after the fact."

Read the full story at Star-Telegram.com.

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michigan dem — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:35:26 GMT

this is completely absurd. the rules are the damn rules, i dont understand how anyone but clinton people would even consider it. if you must have it, split the delegates 50-50 and move on, that way theyre seated and no one gets unfaily screwed/ i live here and i dont even want it to happen, its my states fault, so be it.

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Mary Ann — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:52:39 GMT

The Clintons are really desperate to win the
nomination. Hillary is so crass, she has no class,
and Bill's past is a thorn in her side. So, where
do we go from here? The voters need to wake up and
see her for what she is. Do we want to see any
more clandestine works in the White House and/or
Oval Office? Remember the BLUE DRESS?

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rose clearwater mn — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:02:50 GMT

Obama's main stump speech is that Hillary showed poor judgement in voting to authorize the war. John Kerry, Tom Dashchle, Chris Dodd, Jay Rockerfeller, Patrick Kennedy to name a few who also voted for the authorization. What else do they have in common? They now support Obama as super delegates. More bad judgement??

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S.B. Stein E.B. NJ — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:56:59 GMT

Didn't the state leadership from both states know that this would be some kind of problem? There were rules that all agreed to I believe. If There can't be an agreed to re-vote, then give the state leadership the option of a 50-50 split or no representation.

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judesuper — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:45:42 GMT

Hillary agreed not to seat the delegates that broke the DNC primary rules last year. What’s different now? Um…. Could it be that she is loosing? Yes.

By the way, there should be no re-do’s for rule breakers. After millions of dollars spent, what will a re-vote accomplish? The delegate spilt will still be about the same. So why waste peoples, time, money and energy? Oh yeah, this is Clinton.

YES WE CAN. OBAMA 2008

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anne mc — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:03:59 GMT

Obama is stealing democracy from the voters of Michigan and Florida and hijacking this election. He is a dangerous man.

Plesae email Howard Dean head of the DNC and let him know that we wnat the delegates of Michigan nad Florida seated otherwise we will just stay home in november.

Anne, Pa