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Dean, Norwalk, CT — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:40:21 GMT

The Democrats, once again, prove they can't get out of their own way.

Does anybody believe that the Clinton campaign would be so passionate about the disenfranchised voters in FL and MI if she hadn't lost so many other states? She, like Obama, signed a document last year that sealed the fate of voters in both states. To blame Obama for the current stalemate is embarrassing, underhanded and un-Presidential. Now I see that two super delegates have announced their support for the candidate with no shot at winning the delegate race. And these are the people who run one of two political parties in the most powerful country in the world? I wouldn't trust the Democratic Party elite to organize a softball tournament, much less coordinate a winning campaign against the Republican machine.

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MIke, Scranton, Pa. — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:42:35 GMT

LOL, the wheels are really falling off the clinton campaign these days

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dianeremarx — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:43:46 GMT

Of course Obama doesn't want a revote now after the Rev. Wright fiasco. It shows to me that Obama realizes that he didn't say enough to white voters. Obama, like all the rest, gave the usual excuses for Wright's anger and did not address enough how this has ruined his trust with white voters.

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frankie — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:44:21 GMT

Please HRC -- give it up! You are not going to win this one. Face the Mirror.

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HP Boston — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:45:57 GMT

ALL is moot. OBAMAis toast. America will never vote for a WRIGHT OBAMA. The WH is full of hate as it is with the bush contamination.
FL and MI will vote for McCain in the GE, it is lost for the DEM'S.

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BACK YOUR BAGS HRC IT'S OVER!!!! — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:47:21 GMT

Everyone is pissed off at the wrong people

Both Michigan and Florida broke DNC rules by moving thier primaries. People should be upset with the politicians that moved those dates. If this were to happen in California, I would be upset with the state government not the politicians running. Just another way for Hillary to spew her hate.

Sounds like acts of desperation to me.

Clinton is done, finished!

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Dante — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:47:29 GMT

The Clinton's should give up on this. This is stupid. John Edwards wasn't on the Ballot either. And can anyone in the media please point out the fact that the reason why so many people turned out in the FLORIDA election is because they had to vote on some legislation that was important and not because they were so into the presidential primary!!! Can someone in the media STANDUP?

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TE — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:47:33 GMT

Senator Clinton agreed that the results from Michigan would not count. Now she is reversing that because it is in her interests to do so.

The reality is that the first primary should not have ever taken place. It did not count. The only way to have a fair re-vote is to have a clean slate: everyone can vote irrespective of what happened in the first primary.

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Campdog — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:48:13 GMT

Have the re-votes and let the chips fall where they may. No candidate can claim to be the Democrat's candidate until all the Democrats speak.

Race may not matter but each vote does.

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BL, Cincinnati OH — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:48:45 GMT

In an interview on New Hampshire Public Radio last fall, Clinton explained why she was the only candidate who did not agree to New Hampshire's request that she take her name off the ballot in Michigan.

"It's clear: This election they're having is not going to count for anything." she said.

Harold Ickes, Senior Clinton Advisor, was one of the DNC members that voted to strip Michigan and Florida of their delegates.

The ONLY reason Clinton "respects" voters in Michigan and Florida, is because she desperately needs those votes. Otherwise she wouldn't give a crap about them, just as she doesn't give a crap about 40 other states in this country.

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john, pentwater, MI — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:48:52 GMT

Hillary and her Hubbie are ruining the democratic party, period. Why on Gods green earth would they do this? The rules were set, and actions wer taken. She will not overtake barack in pledged delegates,and now she will proceed to take him down.

These are clearly the politics of the past, and more aligned with republicans than anything else. Unless something major changes, the Republicans will win this prez. race.

Thanks Hillary, now my children are more likely to grow up with the cynical politics both you and I did.
Thanks a lot

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KJ, Dallas, TX — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:50:25 GMT

I would like to hear Sen. Obama's response, but if a re-vote for Michigan and Florida can be done in a fair and equitable way, then lets go ahead, do it, and be done with it. GEEZ!

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Lisa, New Britain, CT — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:52:56 GMT

Well, first of all, I'm not liking the language "the Obama camp will argue". Isn't that putting words in their mouth...nice to know you are inside the Obama campaign's heads (actually a little scary).

Hey, the Obama memo raised some good points, should we allow the Clintons to roll over us at this point (without actually LOOKING at what they are trying to do).

Obama has said he will abide by the DNC...if the Dem. legislature wants to give credence to the issues raised in his memo (which were legitimate issues), then they are enpowered to do so. But ultimately Obama is not the decider on this, right? Is the legislature trying to make him the fall guy for their failing (I'm not sure they are, maybe someone can interpret with more light, that's my first quick read on it).

I think the Clinton campaign looks desparate...look at the final line. Should Ickes disqualify himself now because he is the one (in part) who disenfranchised the Mich. voters entirely.

What a darned mess, what a darned mess...who made the mess. Not Barack Obama.

Now Clinton wants Mich. to vote...because its her won chance. Desparation does not wear well.

And how would Clinton feel if the shoe were on the other foot? Anyone care to speculate?

Obama 08

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Reality check — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:54:11 GMT

Senator Clinton signed a pledge in October 2007 that Michigan and Florida would not be part of the nominating process. So she stands by that pledge, right?

Guess again. She'd rather throw stones at her opponent and accuse him of doing precisely what she's doing.

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:54:37 GMT

Hillary's points are spot on!
I don't care that Michigan and Florida moved their primaries up, and I don't give a damn about any pledges not to participate in them, either.
When someone like Obama runs a campaign that's based on doing things differently, and including everybody in 'the process,' then they should also be in favor of making sure that everyone gets to participate in state Presidential Primaries.
Anything to the contrary is hypocritical.

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Just the facts — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:55:47 GMT

Senator Clinton is not a monster. She's simply a greedy opportunist who will say whatever she needs to say to get what she wants. She doesn't care about "the voters of Michigan." She cares about hijacking the election.

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Crystal — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:56:43 GMT

False Excuse #4:

This is a legitamate excuse because in June, school will be out and most students will be away. That is a key part of his constituency. I don't think there is nothing "false" about that.

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Chris, MI — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:57:34 GMT

Wow. I can't believe how stark the differences are between the Obama campaign's memo re: the Michigan re-vote and the Clintons'. Obama's is calm, rational, and above all, based in the law and fact. The memo above is nothing but sound bytes and platitudes, and facile in its broad proclamations and assumptions.

Note that the Obama campaign never says they will not participate in a re-vote. They have said they will abide by the decision that's made by the relevant parties. What they won't do, apparently, is beg, lobby, and plead for something not every voter in Michigan wants.

It's called pride. Maybe HRC has lost hers somewhere in all of this.

Oh, and specifically regarding the absentee votes, pointing out that the first-time vote rule will be in place during the general election in November just makes the Clintons' desperation that much more transparent: both on the date of the original primary and on the date of the general election, college students were in the state. In June, many of them won't be. To feign ignorance on this point just makes the Clinton camp look, well, ignorant, at least to me.

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She'll Say Anything — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:57:53 GMT

Senator Clinton:
We want to put OUR money toward defeating John McCAin, not to allowing you to steal an election.

Nobody wants to help you continue your back-alley assault on the rules and on the man who should be the nominee of the Democratic Party.

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DeniseGA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:58:13 GMT

They make claims on what they think he will argue, this is purely one sided and underhanded. This Memo is a joke. It is not up to Obama solely to make that decision. Michigan political leader said a few days ago, it was a slim chance of a revote. Then Hillarys camp puts out this bogus memo today.

She is tearing the party apart!

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jesse St.Paul Minnesota — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:58:37 GMT

Your campiagn manager Harold Icky While on the board at the D.N.C.voted in favor of the delagates not being seated,thats bedrock baby, stop your whinning,the game is over .Or is your scorched earth tactic all you have.This is the worst bunch of sore losers i've ever seen.

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Hillary08 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:58:48 GMT

congrats Hillary on your Murthal endorsement. Looking forward to that one night fund raiserwith Sir Elton John. Any one interested it is on her site.hillaryclinton.com.Lots more too. I think you would be interested try it out.

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denise, Philadelphia, PA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:59:09 GMT

Alexis Herman is one of three chairs on the DNC's credentials committee who is a Hillary supporter. So, hers is not an objective opinion. The problem in Michigan is that Democrats and Independents who voted in the Republican primary because they thought the Democratic primary didn't count (according to the rules, it did not count) cannot vote in a re-do, which disenfranchises. Hillary seems to have contempt for the voters because she dissembles in plain view. She signed a pledge to NOT COUNT the Michigan and Florida primaries, yet last week, she stood before a microphone with a straight face and said she thought the Michigan primary should could count, that it was fair. How can she twist the truth like that to suit herself and believe that the voters don't see through it? Is she that contemptuous of us? Doesn't Hillary understand that half of the Democrats do not want her as the nominee, which is why her plan to win by Super Tuesday went awry? Can't she accept that her negatives are even higher among Republicans? One pundit said it well, the Clintons will burn the village and everyone in it order to help themselves. The DNC should divide the Michigan and Florida delegates 50/50 and seat them. That way the delegations will be seated--fairly. Hillary does not own the Democratic Party--she and her cronies set some of the rules in order to favor her--and they backfired. She should think of Icarus who flew so high, his wings melted and of Narcissus, who fell in love with himself and drowned looking at his own reflection in a stream. She's headed in the same direction. There seem to be three parties, the Democrats, the Republicans and the Clinton Party--because Hillary has betrayed the Democratic Party.

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No more Mr. Nice Guy — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:59:11 GMT

SLAM her back Barack. This is your chance to prove you're tough to the SuperDelegates.

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You Can't Change The Rules — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:59:17 GMT

So...

The Obama Campaign has concerns about fairness and legality.

The Clinton Campaign just wants the votes.

Seems to me that one side is just a little more interested in what's best for themselves.

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DeniseGA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:59:32 GMT

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Pat, UC Davis, CA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:00:31 GMT

This memo by Hillary's campaign is negative in the extreme. Compare it to the Obama campaign memo you just read. That memo lays out it's legal reasoning as to why it may not be possible.

But Hillary's memo... yikes. Let's assume for a moment that Obama gets the primary nod... just assume (we know that anything is possible at this point)... Isn't Hillary's campaign guaranteeing that Michigan goes red by putting Obama at odds with the state in memos like this? I know this memo is SpinCity, but even I would be feeling alienated by Obama after reading it. Any gullible voter in Michigan (hopefully there aren't that many, but...) will be swayed by statements like this into thinking Obama's horrible for leaving them, when he was simply going along with a sanction.

Fact: Michigan was sanctioned.
Fact: At the time, NO CANDIDATE had a problem with it (there is NO spin that can reasonably counteract that).
Fact: Hillary was one of those people.
Fact: She is now changing from that position BECAUSE it will suit her.

I am more than willing to listen to arguments on the above facts... but I have yet to read one that convinces me that they aren't true.

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OBwan, IN — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:01:00 GMT

It is all posturing.

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Ron, TX — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:01:00 GMT

Obama sounds more than willing to me to let the people of Michigan vote.

But he is rightly concerned about fairness in voting. I'm sure Clinton doesn't mind all that much, equality and fairness has never really been her thing, but fairness in voting is a pretty serious issue. What's the point of a revote if it equally disenfranchises a number of voters?

The Award for Clinton's Most Absurd Comment: "Senator Clinton signed the pledge and kept it. Senator Obama signed the pledge and kept it in Michigan. But in so doing, Senator Obama decided to go further and made a voluntary decision to remove his name from the Michigan ballot. That was his right but it was also his decision. As a result, he denied Michigan the opportunity to vote for a slate of candidates."

Yes! There you have it folks! Obama denied the people of Michigan a fair chance to vote for everyone! ... in the primary that didn't count and wasn't supposed to matter.

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SHIRLEY NW,AR. — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:01:56 GMT

HE IS ALL ABOUT PRETTY WORDS.

NO ACTION-JUST WORDS!!!

HE READS HIS WORDS WELL, BETTER THAN GEORGE BUSH DID.

LETS HOPE HIS PROMISES ARE NOT AS EASY FOR HIM TO FORGET AS BUSHES WERE.

HILLARY IS THE BEST ONE FOR THIS JOB!!!

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Matt, Idaho — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:02:25 GMT

Yawn... get this monkey off my back.

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Ron Hussein Allen — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:02:26 GMT

We should not and cannot appease a liar like Hillary. She once said in Jan. that the votes in Mich. won't count, but now she is racing to change the direction of the political process there because she is unhappy with the outcome. Once she said she'd abide by the rules, she'll overrule herself and self-contradict herself at all costs if that emans satisfying her urge for power.
Instead of appeasing Hillary for her arrogance and rule breaking, I'd be willing to vote for John McCain. Because I feel reminded of how the prime Ministers of Britain and France appeased Hitler and, in return, Hitler invaded other nations. I am not trying to compare Hillary with this twisted, retarded man, but enough of the scandals and lies.

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Linda. Boston, MA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:02:27 GMT

"There aren’t many second chances in life but Senator Obama has one now and should ask the people of Michigan for their vote. Why is he refusing to do so?"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There aren't many 2nd chances in life... but isn't that exactly what Hillary wants?

"irst, the Obama campaign has repeatedly said that it would comply with DNC rules and DNC Rule 2.E prohibits cross-over voting."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Umm... wasn't there also a rule that said Michigan didn't count? A rule that Hillary SIGNED!!!

"So while Senator Obama’s campaign says he will follow the rules, he wants one of them to be ignored."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Kinda like the Clinton campaign, right?

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Obama is the ideal Candidate — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:02:47 GMT

Hillary, 47% of the American public DOES NOT LIKE YOU, and will never vote for you no matter what election.

Your bitter sarcasm, repugnant and divise campaign are so far from Presidential that it is a wonder that the DNC hasn't asked you to walk. In any other race for the nomination 11 (or 12) straight state losses would exceed the grounds for party pressure to withdraw. Do your part and improve your public image of creating a scorched earth policy towards the White house, and withdraw for the good of the party and of the country.

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no to Obama — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:04:33 GMT

Another of the politics as usual with Obama. He will do and say anything to win.He uses his grandmother in that speech and she would certainly not be one to sit there and listen to the talk Obama now says he heard.He wouldnt take questions instead does a speech cause we all know he is quite th eorator and his writers are good.Questions he has to think of ans, on his own.
Not a good reason to vote Obama he cannt keep his word. His judgement isnt very good this pastor thing.(Remember that every time you hear about that vote Hillary made yrs ago. He has trouble with figureing out a plan and sticjing to it, Writes amendment for write in voteing than says no i think to many proplems. Darn one of th ethings he actually did now no good. Nope say no to Obama.

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Dante — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:04:47 GMT

False Excuse #3:

I wish they would use that money to help people that are in housing crisis, or those that need healthcare. The whole thing is at the end of the day, that is just wasted money. She will not win by a huge margin, and even if she does it is not enough to make the argument that she should be the nominee. This is really ridiculous. Bow out gracefully, Senator Clinton!!

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d syracuse ny — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:04:52 GMT

Clintons are at it again. Of course he will disagree. Here they are trying to rig the game as always. So you want Obama to be the fool, that you claim he is and when he does fall for you try to say ah ha. Give me a break. You talk to your enemy without condidtions but you don't go into agreements with your opponents without condidtions.

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flow, Asheville North Carolina — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:07:03 GMT

There is no end to the attack, scorched earth policy of HRC. This is the time where anyone who truly respects her should be asking her to stop and get on board with Barak. He has all the tools that this country needs at this time to lead us in a wonderful new direction.
HRC, who doesn't respect the laws that do not help her cause, still hasn't been honest with the American people about her tax returns and experience. There is a reason the republicans want to run against her and not Obama. Now that he has given his speech, wait for the new Clinton attack. It will be ugly.

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gary d, new hampshire — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:07:52 GMT

I think the MI voters should vote, however, it should be fair and once again Hillary is trying to do whatever it takes to stack the deck in her favor...spin, spin and more spin. Hillary, your house of cards is about ready to fall! .... and yes, you are indeed transparent and that is terrifying.

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Michelle Zee — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:09:59 GMT

Wow...this is nonsense and a way to steal the election. No wonder they did not intervene when Bush stole the election in 2000.

I was always told,
IF YOU AIN'T CHEATIN', YOU AIN'T TRYIN'!

She is definitely trying to get back in that White House. Although, I am not voting for her at this point, you have to admire her will power and her cunning way of looking at the American people with a straight face and carrying on in this manner.

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JP Cruz, Orlando FL — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:11:35 GMT

This is so beyond frustrating because the argument over this is so black and white. We live in the UNITED States of America which encompases FIFTY states, not 48. When it comes to electing our Democratic nominee the voices and opinions of all populations from all 50 states should be heard and that's the final word. The millions of residents of both Michigan and Florida should not be punished because a select handful of higher-ups decided to move a date.

And this whole argument over a revote should not be based on the merit of giving Clinton an edge over Obama, as much as I would love for Hillary to win, if Obama were in the same situation where he could stand to gain from doing revotes in both states I would STILL want revotes done both states.

It is the constitutional and right thing to do. And please stop giving us the pathetic excuse and whining of "Oh noes but who is gonna pay for the revotes" make the idiots who moved the primary dates up in the first place pay for it for their stupidity.

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flow, Asheville North Carolina — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:12:22 GMT

Shirley, If you truly believe in the vote, ask Hillary to pay for it. She is not going to do it for two reasons. One this is just a political ploy to try to make Obama seem like he is somehow repressing the vote. Two, Michigan is very much an Obama state. A lot of legislatures from Detroit, and other locations in Michigan want the vote, because they feel like the state would go to Obama in a huge fashion. She never really wanted Michigan, she only wanted Florida, as is. Not going to happen Shirley.

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Lance Phillips, NY — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:13:31 GMT

HP Boston ---> ALL is moot. OBAMAis toast. America will never vote for a WRIGHT OBAMA. The WH is full of hate as it is with the bush contamination.
FL and MI will vote for McCain in the GE, it is lost for the DEM'S. <---

HP has it right. MI, FL, OH, PA, and maybe NY and NJ swung to the Republican column if Obama is the Democratic nominee. No way the blue-collar lunch-bucket crowd votes for Obama after that sorry excuse of a speech he gave yesterday.

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flow, Asheville North Carolina — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:14:30 GMT

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New-America — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:15:49 GMT

I hope the people in Michigan realize the Hillary only wants this revote for her benefit. If she were ahead she would not care at all about Michigan voters having a voice in this election. She was all for Michigan's and Florida's voters to be left out of the campaigns choice when she thought she was already had the nomination. I think that Michigan and Florida should be able to revote, but their superdelegates should not have a vote. They did wrong and should not be given everything back, but the people (all the Michigan and Florida voters, democrats and republicans alike) should be allowed to RE-VOTE.

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Blaine — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:16:16 GMT

Rules are to be respected, not circumvented. Nuff Said.

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turnip — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:17:26 GMT

All I needed to read was their call to count the existing vote and so-called false excuse #1.

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Billy, MI — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:18:34 GMT

What a bunch of garbage. How can the HRC campaign send this stuff out with a straight face. I live in Michigan and can tell you that the Obama campaign did not try to have us vote uncommitted. It was the democratic committee that urged us to vote this way to protest the DNC's removal of MI delegates. Clinton could have helped by not having her name on the ballot to show she disagreed with MI breaking the rules. Instead she wants to use breaking the rules as a mean to seat her delegates. The campaign ahs said that it thinks the votes should be counted from the first primary. To everyone, except members of her campaign, this is laughable. OBAMA'S NAME WAS NOT ON THE BALLOT!! Any sane person can see that is not a fair vote.

The real issue is the logistics of ensuring another fair election in the short time frame that is left. Michigan had well over a year to prepare for the primary vote and the Clinton camp expects us to be able to do a legitimate re-vote in less than three months. Elections take more than money. It also takes up goverment and civilian worker's time. Everyone knows MI is having economic problems and to ask us to divert much needed resources to another election is selfish. If she really cared about MI voters she would be asking people to raise money to help our economy instead of hurting it by asking it to hold another election.

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Enrique, Chicago — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:19:14 GMT

Hillary's playing more political games. The Obama campaign is NOT the Michigan legislature. Does Hillary really think that we're going to fall for this? The blame lies not with the Obama campaign, but with those that broke that party rules by moving up the primary in the first place.

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ge``pa~ — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:20:22 GMT

Thats the problem with Obama. ALL HE IS GOOD AT IS WORDS. IS HE AFRAID TO HAVE A NEW PRIMARY IN MICHIGAN? WHAT IS HE AFRAID OF? WHY IS HE MAKING HIMSELF MORE OF A LIAR THAN HE ALREADY IS?

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Sue — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:20:55 GMT

Barack should just hang on and NOT give in to Hillary's request. Hillary has moved the goal posts long enough.

Last year, as soon as it was announced that MI and FL delegates would not be seated for moving up their primaries, immediately there was whispering about how Hillary would use this to her advantage against Obama and Edwards. I noticed that several political commentators on various networks hinted at this over a period of several months. Now her plan to game the system and steal uncontested delegates while using MI and FL voters as cover is falling apart and she wants Obama's help to make her plan work.

She’s been bashing Obama in those states for months, trying to get her emissaries to personally finance those primaries, and making it seem as if it’s all his fault.

Obama will be the nominee and, once his nomination is finalized, he can deal with MI voters directly. Enough of Hillary.

Stand your ground Obama. NO RE-VOTE.

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Arch Stanton — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:21:45 GMT

"Senator Clinton signed the pledge and kept it."

What part of it did she keep? The part where she is claiming that she should get Michigan's delegates?

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Paul — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:22:05 GMT

C'mon people, this is all smoke and mirrors by the Clinton campaign. They don't want a re-vote in Michigan and they know that the Michigan legislature will not pass the bill even if Obama says he is for it. You have to remember, by June, the Clinton tax records will supposedly be released (althoug I am sure they will have an excuse) and, if anything else, it will show the millions upon millions the Clintons earned while Michigan's economy went into the toilet. It will hurt the campaign there.

Obama has a good chance of winning in Michigan and even with the revote- Clinton will not catch him. She just wants to make sure he won't win in November so she can come in on some white horse in 2012 and be like "I told you so."

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j fl — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:23:14 GMT

Seems to me Obama and his left wing cult members have torn our party and this nation apart. Way to go Mr. L Ron Obama. Hes our next GOD!!!!!

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Mel — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:24:45 GMT

Obama's memo comes across as more credible - he is not attacking Clinton - He is laying out the very practical legal reasons why this is not a viable solution.

He has said he would support a re-do if it were fair. The Obama team hasn't simply thrown some reasoning out of left field - their memo makes a lot of sense.

Hillary's proposal will disenfranchise a large number of voters. That is a fact. And no amount of mud slinging and attempts to distract on her part can change that.

Michigan KNEW, when they set their primary, that their deligates would not be seated. The Candidates KNEW this - Hillary KNEW this. It is truly unfortunate, but it is the reality.

In stark contrast to Obama's memo - Clinton's is an attack that assumes facts it does NOT prove. It also relies on DNC party rules....while at the same time it is it has repeatedly promoted contravening DNC rules...the memo is wrought with contradictions.

Hillary's memo is an attack piece, Obama's is a well-reasoned, well-thought-out and persuasive argument.

Obama's just appears, on its face, more credible.

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jay chicago il — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:27:00 GMT

Obama is just like Bush... we dont know what to belief of him. He is just playing the game of smart and using the AA's emotion to get his momentum, but it is sad that AA doesnt seems to care about it, just to geta black elected is a plus for them, even when the candidate is surrorund by some very questioning people, with ideas and position very untiamerica...
I just cant trust that guy

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jay chicago il — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:28:13 GMT

OBama doesnt want a re-vote in florida or michisgan becasue he knows what would happen, it is not fair to have those two states out. it will make the difference... EVERY VOTE SHOULD COUNT

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NObama — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:32:21 GMT

Obama will say or do anything to win. If Michigan looked like it'd favor him, he'd be fighting for a revote too. He's manipulative and cunning, despite his supposed "clean politics" approach.

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Stephen, Philadelphia, PA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:32:52 GMT

Didn't Clinton pledge not to campaign in Michigan? What is she doing today? Campaining in Michigan

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SL, NJ — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:33:00 GMT

If this memo had been dated prior to the first vote, it would be legit. As it is coming now, due to political needs and not a true desire at a valid result it is worth very little.

Add to that the fact that Sen. Clinton obviously knew the status of the sanctions, and the fact the one of her Ministers of Propaganda voted to initiate those sanctions, and you have a memo that is worth less than very little.

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Craig (Boston, MA) — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:34:22 GMT

Why should the Democrats be punished in Florida? It was the republican state house and gov. that moved up the primary not the democrats in Florida. Since everyone was on the Ballot in Florida let the results stand and have a revote in Michigan.

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MBM, Chicago, IL — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:37:26 GMT

My logic might be off, but wasn't Ickes one the DNC that voted to sanction Michigan and Florida? He is on Hillary's campaign staff and was one of Bill's major advisors. So Ickes has been a Clinton puppet for over 16 years. It looks like the Clintons think this is a banana republic.

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Alice, NC — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:37:52 GMT

So - Obama wanted revotes UNTIL he figured out it may help Hillary.

Obama = nothing new, just another politician.

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Kaye,NC — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:38:51 GMT

J. Merle Stanley,
You should apply for a job with the Clinton campaign. Anything, absolutely anything it takes to enable your girl to steal the nomination, isn't that right? Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead and who cares if the Democratic party goes down the tubes? As long as Hillary gets to be the nominee, by hook or by CROOK.

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Michelle, PA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:40:44 GMT

Obama is tearing the Dem Party into pieces!!!!

But accusing the Clintons of racism is the ONLY way he could deceive voters into voting for him.
Now - Obama voters are having buyers remorse.

Obama and Wright are wrong for America!
Obama/Wright08

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Class Warrior, D.C. — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:41:27 GMT

She'll grab the nomination even with a state that breaks the rules. Rules are onl for the little people, I gues...

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Howard B. — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:42:57 GMT

Doesn't sound like the Clinton camp is really dealing with any of the issues raised by Obama's concerns. It strikes me as a completely tone deaf response.

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Fred-Boston Mass. — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:43:18 GMT

The issue of Fla. and Mich. is two fold. One is that a re-vote in both states coupled with recent news about pastor will probably give Clinton a nomination. Without re-votes Obama will sneak across 2024 delegate line since he will need much smaller percentage of Super Delegate total with closer finish line and with his lead in states won, total vote, and pledged delegates.
The second and I believe more important issue is voters iregardless of who they support not being heard. This is un-american irregardless of the "rules".
The states should be making a decision without imput from either candidate or their supporters. These states should worry about their own citizens only. Let the results be as it may.
The candidates are grown ups and they can deal with the results, but get both of them out of the discussions-NOW.

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Joyce, NY — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:43:24 GMT

Wow, Obama supporters, do you guys really think Florida and Michigan don't matter? Look at the big picture. If his campaign continue to argue that case, he sure would lose in Nov. should he get the nomination.

At least argue for a revote, let the people from those states know their votes matter. And that they are not getting punished for the mistake thier Republican legislature committed.

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Sakina, Santa Rosa, CA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:43:39 GMT

While much of Ms. Clinton's logic is lacking, I really, really don't understand her first claim.

She broke a rule and calls that a choice and condemns Senator Obama for it?

How exactly can this be explained to me in a way that makes sense?

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nuanced — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:44:59 GMT

Well, first of all, I'm not liking the language "the Obama camp will argue". Isn't that putting words in their mouth -- Lisa, New Britain, CT

Lisa it is the classic "straw man" argument used by sleezy politicians for hundreds of years and recently by Rush Limbaugh and his ilk. They could have just asked for Obama's explanation but that might have made too much sense so they invent ridiculous arguments which they put in his mouth so they can knock them down. It shows huge contempt for the public. I have been very disappointed by their campaign for a long time and am now convinced they have crossed the threshold of being party traitors.

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Siegfried, Central illinois — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:46:35 GMT

Did the Clinton campaign miss the part about Obama and Clinton being allowed to make their respective cases? Is that not what Obama is doing?

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Randy — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:47:00 GMT

Absolutely pitiful and desparate stuff from the Clintons and their campaign. When she signed the pledge about Michigan and Florida, she pledged not to "participate" in any early primary those states had. That should have meant taking her name off the Michigan ballot like all of the other candidates.

I guess it all comes down to her and Bill's interpretation of what the meaning of "participate" is.

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Scott Gifford, Flint, MI — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:47:04 GMT

As a Michigan Democrat I am glad Clinton is talking about taking action so that our votes can be counted. Sure, I wish she hadn't waited until it was politically convenient, but better late than never.

A lot of people are talking about strict enforcement of the rules and sticking it to the people of Michigan to teach them a lesson about following DNC rules. That's all well and good, but I suspect many of these same people will regret their position when the Democratic nominee has a hard time getting support or funds in Michigan and Florida. The primary election may be a private affair run according to party rules, but the election in November is run according to the law and the US constitution. The national leadership would be wise to remember that they can't prevent Michigan and Florida from voting in that election, and that's the one that really counts.

You can learn more about Michigan's primary debacle at http://WhoStoleMiVote.org/

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voice of reason, PA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:47:27 GMT

Perhaps if it was a caucus, Obama camp will agree!

What is he afraid off? What he should be worried about is Nov. If he gets nominated, these two states will turn RED.

Losing Ohio, California, NY, NJ and possibly PA, DNC really should think things through. As in electibility big picture scenario.

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StevO, Denver — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:48:55 GMT

HRC continues to bore the hell out of me with her rampant desire to do absolutely anything to win. If they re-do MI, that will set a bad precedent and then FLA is going to wonder if they made the correct call (They did). I have lost a ton of respect for Bill too now that he has adopted the same attitude. He will also do or say anything to get back in the game. What crap! The polarization that everyone feared is happening in a big, devastating way. The comments that I read on this site are very disconcerting and after the dust settles, there will not be enough time to regroup the Dems to defeat that moron McCain.

Let's get together soon.

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Bill, Rochester, NY — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:50:22 GMT

Hillary Clinton signed a pledge and kept it ? That is RICH. Didn't the pledge say that she would not participate in any way? Once again Hillary Clinton is acting like a Republican. Hillary Clinton is nothing more than a carpetbagging hack. In 2012 I will do all that I can to see that she loses her re-election bid for the senate. She won't get the democratic nomination. If she manages to steal it she'll be toast against McCain.
Hey ALL YOU CLINTONISTAS LISTEN UP!
When faced with a choice between a Republican and a Republican Lite the voters will go for original Republican every time.

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John, PA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:50:42 GMT

Obama should drop out now!! Any candidate who doesn't want FL and MI revoted will lose in the general!

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Chris, NJ — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:52:47 GMT

Simple Question - What is Obama afraid of? Remind anyone of the Bush fiasco in Florida? If you dont get the popular vote, you'll just block the recounts too?The peoples vote is what should count - not arbitrary rules that violate the constitution.

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won't be back — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:54:11 GMT

I don't usually blog here because of the obvious - the same old Obama people with the same old rants. I don't know why but I thought I might see something different from the msbnc moderators and the Obama hateful. But it's the same landfill it always was.

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:54:49 GMT

The DNC decided that Florida and Michigan votes WOULD NOT COUNT

Hillary agreed
Obama agreed
John Edwards agreed
Joe Biden agreed
Chris Dodd agreed
Dennis Kucinich agreed

Obama took his name off the ballot
John Edwards took his name off the ballot
Joe Biden took his name off the ballot
Chris Dodd took his name off the ballot
Dennis Kucinich took his name off the ballot

Ony Hillary kept her name on the ballot
But, (see above) she said the results WOULDN'T COUNT

Byb, Bye Billary

Obama '08

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Dagny in Chicago — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:54:57 GMT

She doesn't even address all of his points. She cherry-picks the ones she likes and then doesn't even do a good job at responding to those.

What about the overseas votes? No response. What about the local clerks saying that a revote isn't possible. No response.

Clinton has had so many views on the Michigan vote, it is hard to keep them all straight.

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Chris, NJ — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:54:58 GMT

If there is no revote, Clinton should simply run as an independent that way all her supporters will put her in office despite the democratic party.

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acuppajo, IL — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:55:28 GMT

Here is the language from the pledge that all the candidates signed:

THEREFORE, I _______________, Democratic Candidate for President, pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as “campaigning” is defined by rules and regulations of the DNC.****

Campaign or PARTICIPATE, that was the pledge. By leaving her name on the ballot, Clinton did indeed participate in the Michigan primary. She broke her pledge and now she wants a redo. Tough.

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Louie, Louie — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:57:16 GMT

Obama is a liar. BO is a fake. BO is a racist. BO is arrogant. BO has more skeleton's. Why doesn't our party demand this man drop out of the race before he does more harm to our country? The tenison between black and white friends is growing every day. Is this what he had in mind to bring us together?

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kevin,fl — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:58:26 GMT

Look at the new polls people. I know you are not blind and deaf. Obama's judgement to be part of this cult is very scary. I am a 37 year old white man and Obama was not speaking to me yesterday. He lied about being in the church(see interviews on Friday), His wife is a liability. Hillary is now up 56-30 in Penn. She is leading 40 points in the white vote 63-23, and is only down 63-27 from the black vote. All americans have serious questions about what Obama truley believes. His actions are speaking louder than his words and his words are not catching up.

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ME, CA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:59:20 GMT

Jay,
You're right. EVERY vote should count. And it should count equally. Giving Michigan a primary in June makes their votes count more than everyone else's because of momentum. I took my time to go to the polls and my state representatives followed the rules. My vote should not be minimized by letting Michigan cheat.

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BIGOLDTEXAN — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:00:06 GMT

HRC...........
The biggest loser of all time.
I can`t beleive the people that are working with her. They are just as bas as she.
They lack the judgement to just say NO to her or to tell her hey wait a minute don`t you remember you signed the damn paper too, GEEZ.

Her memory is fading fast and I wouldn1t want that for the country, I think that she is so delusional that she and Bill both need to have themselves checked into a mental health facility.

GO OBAMA '08!!!

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gene — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:00:36 GMT

How stupid can the Obama supporters be, don't re-run or come up with a way for the Michigan delegates to seated with full voting rights, will doom him in the fall, if he is so lucky to be the nominee. It still make me think that most of these stupid and Clinton hating comments are from closet Republicans. Neither Clinton or Obama created this mess, it was the DNC and they need to get it settled now!

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J. Merle Stanley, Westchester, NY — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:00:49 GMT

"...False Excuse #3:

I wish they would use that money to help people that are in housing crisis, or those that need healthcare. The whole thing is at the end of the day, that is just wasted money. She will not win by a huge margin, and even if she does it is not enough to make the argument that she should be the nominee. This is really ridiculous. Bow out gracefully, Senator Clinton!! ..."
Dante (Sent Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:04 AM)

That's just an excuse to disenfrachise 2 million voters in 2 different states that Obama knows he can't win.

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Tiffany Hawkins, Glenwood, IL — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:01:08 GMT

I am ashamed of this country. As I sit here and read some of the comments posted on this blog, I am saddened at the future of this country. Both candidates agreed to the rules & to know hold one candidate responsible is unfair. When you look and review the memos presented, one seems rooted in fact & the other rooted in slander. American people please make & informed decision based on the facts presented.

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NOT!!! — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:01:19 GMT

I think I would like to vote for Obama cause allhis supporters here are so civil and make one want to be associated with them so with Obama too. My he is so lucky to have so many follow his words and he helps by telling them what they think and can do for HIM. Wow think he will do that for me too?

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Michael — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:01:22 GMT

Anyone ever think Obama made that anti-war speech in front of a radical crowd because Wright wanted that.

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viktor, nashville TN — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:03:05 GMT

hillary clinton is evil. she is pathetic, and obviously totally void of any integrity, humility or grace. GO AWAY.

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Jules , Tennessee — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:03:46 GMT

CLINTON CONTINUES HER ATTACK AGAINST THE DNC

How far will senator Hillary Clinton go with her attacks or "discent" against the DNC for a rule that was crafted by some of her top advisors and aggreed on by all the major presidential candidates ??

Why is she attacking her own political party by telling the public that the DNC wants to disfranchise voters in Michigan and Florida, and that the DNC's act is un-american ??

Jules, Tennessee.

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KJ, Dallas, TX — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:05:04 GMT

Sen. Obama isn't afraid of a fair and equitable re-vote- he doesn't have to be because Clinton would have to win every other primary including MI and Florida by at least 64-70 some percent in order to catch up to him in the delegate count, right??? So, your reasoning doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

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tom, indiana — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:05:32 GMT

LISTEN UP, YOU WHINING BUNCH OF BRATS - the states defied the rules - they were well aware of the consequences if they broke the rules. now, they pay the consequences. it is unfortunate. but it is appropriate and perfectly fair. GROW UP. and that includes you, hillary. go away.

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Dan — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:07:49 GMT

Obama may portray himself as a candidate who could unite the country and put an end to the political nonsense, but he's no different than the typical politician. How could he unite the country when he's purposely standing in the way of a fair re-vote and shutting out the voices of voters in Michigan and Florida?? I guess he's the "uniter, not a divider" in the same sense as Bush. There's nothing worse than a political hypocrite like Obama fooling people into voting for his BS slogans and pretty speeches. He's a fraud and that's that bottom line.

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BL, Cincinnati OH — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:08:00 GMT

Let's see...

1) Hillary wants the vote of the people to count.
2) Hillary wants the super delegates to over ride the votes of the people.

Sounds like typical Clinton double talk.

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Idaho Bob — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:08:23 GMT

Hillery! Maybe you should rethink this Michigan/Florida revote adgenda. It is very likly in the case of a Michigan and/or Florida revote that Obama will clean your clock just like he has in most of the other states recently. Personnaly, I hope there is a revote so that you both have the opotunity to spend another 10-15 Million each on advertising in these states to help the economy. As far a I can tell, thats the only part of your economec plan that makes sense. Oh yea. Spending money on campaigning(good thing), Beating up on each other campaigning(good thing), winning GE in November(bad thing). Keep up the good work. You are doing your country a favor in the long run.

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Bill, Atlanta — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:08:37 GMT

Hillary Clinton has a two-pronged strategy:

First, she is trying to see if she can get superdelegates to overturn the pledged delegate lead that Senator Obama has and that is practically insurmountable given what contests remain.

Second, if that doesn't work, she wants Barack Obama to lose to John McCain so that she can re-emerge in four years with a "See, I told you so" message. This is why she is traveling to Michigan and arguing about process and why she calls McCain more ready to be commander in chief than another Democrat, even though he wants war in Iraq for a hundred years if need be.

It is now quite obvious. Hillary Clinton wants to be President so badly that she is just fine having Democrats lose the White House in 2008, if she doesn't get the nomination. Its all about her now.

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kevin,fl — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:12:57 GMT

Clinton closing in on Obama in NC
Raleigh, N.C. – Hillary Clinton has cut Barack Obama’s lead in North Carolina to one
point, according to the newest survey from Public Policy Polling.
Obama leads 44-43 in the state, after leading by four points in a similar poll conducted by
PPP two weeks ago. Clinton has particularly made gains with female voters, with whom
she now has a slight lead after trailing in the previous poll.
“Some folks in the national media have been treating North Carolina as if winning it is a
given for Barack Obama,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “The
reality is that the state is pretty close, and either candidate could emerge with a victory.”
Recent PPP polls in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida have shown Obama struggling in
the wake of the recent controversy surrounding his pastor.
The survey also found Richard Moore gaining 17 points from a poll two weeks ago to get
within a 44-34 margin of Bev Perdue.
“That’s the power of television,” said Debnam. “Richard Moore’s new ad, launched in
the last week, has clearly caused some movement in the polls.”
In the Democratic race for US Senate, Kay Hagan continues to hold a double digit lead
over Jim Neal. Hagan is at 22% to Neal’s 11%, followed by Duskin Lassiter at 5% and
Marcus Williams and Howard Staley with 3%.
PPP will have a new poll every week between now and the primary for the major
Democratic races in North Carolina.
PPP surveyed 521 likely Democratic primary voters on March 17th. The survey’s margin
of error is +/- 4.3%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may
introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.
Complete results are attached and can be found at www.publicpolicypolling.com.

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Tosha — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:13:08 GMT

Clintons please stop this desperate attempt to divide the party. You agreed to the rules and now you what to change them because it will benefit you. Quit making this about the voters when it is really about the Clintons agenda. Concede already!!!!

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WILLIS — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:13:44 GMT

Why does camp Hillary feel the need to publish everything? We really don't want to know the "ins and outs" of every little thing!

Hillary, the DNC made its decision -- you and others signed off on it. RULES ARE RULES!

Why should Obama jump every time you think there is an urgency? He is prioritizing his schedule, running his campaign, etc. His campaign is very organized!

Hillary should do the same -- her campaign is a mess! First, she paid some strategist $10 million to plan her campaign strategy. Next, she has replaced staff workers while others have quit. She spent over $100 million in one month and no one on her campaign knows how the money was spent. Then Hillary had to loan her campaign $5 million (we still don't know where that money came from). Hillary, your campaign (a.k.a. mini-America) is disorganized, mismanaged, and in summary a "Helter Skelter" mess!

The Republicans are using trickery to make you think you have momentum, but they are playing with you. Republicans are voting for you during the primary, but will not do so during the General. They want to run against you (the weakest candidate) because they can win!

MY MESSAGE TO YOU: STOP WHINNING! GO TO JAIL!

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Harmony — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:14:24 GMT

Hillary, you can't keep changing the rules!

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Phred, NH — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:14:25 GMT

What about the folks that would have voted for John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Dennis Kucinich, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd? Are they to be further disenfranchised by having to vote for Clinton or Obama? With campaigning might a candidate have said something so polarizing or offensive the race as it is now could have been turned on its head? We'll never know.

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Remember come November — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:14:27 GMT

*****AMERICAN VOTERS WILL REMEBER IN NOVEMBER*****

They will remember Sen. Obama's willingness to disenfranchise MILLIONS of voters in FL and MI
--AND THEY WILL Vote Sen. Obama BACK TO SENATE and NOT THE WHITE HOUSE !!

The American voters are NOT dumb!

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Nj — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:15:30 GMT

Its up to The DNC to make this happen. Not Obama or Hillary
She is a loser. If she were ahead I bet she would not want a re-vote AND, she would be asking Obama to drop out

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Linda Weiner, Miami, FL — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:18:35 GMT

Once again...Obama has not offered anything but words. Action speaks louder than words...go HILLARY!!!
AND CONGRATS ON YOUR ENDORSEMENT FROM JOHN MURTHA!!!!

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Summer, California — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:19:02 GMT

What is Obama afraid of? Counting the votes? Not re-voting in MI and FL will disenfranchise and dismay dem voters for the fall contest. Obama's afraid he will lose - and lose BIG. That's all that's involved in his "concern." Transparent. Americans are on to you, Barack.

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iowan — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:20:25 GMT

Clintonites: Is he tough enough now?

Enjoy a nice knuckle sandwich for lunch, Howard.

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Dee Jackson, Columbia, TN — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:21:32 GMT

This is not the DNC's fault, this is the fault of Michigan and Florida! These states broke rules that every elected official in those states were aware of (Democrats and Republicans). Billary, again, is trying to change the rules as they go along. Obama is working within the system established. As a Republican who is actually thinking about supporting the Dems this election year, I am shocked at how ridiculous the Dems are managing these and other situations. It looks like McCain (aka "Bush") will be the President in November.

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marta, arizona — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:21:34 GMT

Its funny that Hillary doesn't mention the votes she's trying to discredit in Texas when she complains about Obama. Everything is unfair to her and all about her. We already have a spoiled brat in the White House - we don't want another one.

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sg, michigan — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:22:21 GMT

Hillary Clinton defies logic, her previous committment and the bylaws set by her party. She is willing to tear apart the DNC for a slight advantage (if at all possible) to winning the election.

This is exactly why she has lost much respect throughout America.

Furthermore, if she defies DNC rules, what respect will she have for the Constitution? Bush and company have already paved the way for an unaccountable presidency. Do we need this sort of candidate too?

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Sally Ann — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:22:21 GMT

This is typical of what we've seen in downstate Illinois regarding the illustrious senator Obama. "Did I say that?" "Oh I didn't like the way the bill was worded so I didn't take a stand instead I voted 'no vote.'" Too bad the country will wake-up too late to see that Hillary is the best choice.

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SW GR, MI — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:22:38 GMT

Amen to Billy, MI. I got a memo from our Senator Levin explaining the party's position to vote "uncommitted" in order to preserve the chance to seat the delegates at the convention. This was not a move by the Obama campaign. No re-vote could be perceived as fair here. Time to let it go.

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Debby — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:23:15 GMT

I see the OBAMA_BOTS are here in full force.

Thank you Hillary for being so strong and standing up for our votes.....we will remember you in November as someone who really cares about the people of this country.

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Virginia S, Whiting NJ — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:23:31 GMT

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Larry, Union, KY — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:26:10 GMT

Bottom line...Mrs. Clinton would not be making such a case if it wasn't in her political interest. So, all the verbiage is their memo is just BS.

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Virginia S, Whiting NJ — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:29:14 GMT

When are the American people going to wake up an realize Obama is an excellent speaker, an that is all--he has a wonderful way of presenting himself--and that's all---I do not believe anything he says, because he really says nothing of substance---I am afraid we are going to wake up when it is too late and end up with more problems then we already have and someone leading us who we know little about and what we do know is alarming---Hillary can be trusted---she has wanted to be president for a long time and has worked toward just that---she knows what she is doing---a vote for Obama is nothing more then a vote for McCain--Obama can not win against McCain but Hillary can---

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Annette, Michigan — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:29:53 GMT

Come on now, Hillary is only looking out for herself, if she had the lead that Obama has today, she wouldnt waste her time in Michigan! As far as Obama, if we can forgive Bill Clinton for disgracing us with Monica, then we can allow Obama to move on and finish what he started, even though it was HIM that said those comments... Go Obama! We got your back!

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Lynn — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:30:39 GMT

The Obama campaign and every decent American has concerns about a re-vote where only selected voters can vote ...mostly those who would want to vote for Clinton.

The Democrats are a pathetic screw-up .. embarrassing!

One thing is for sure .. if the Billaries succeed and steal the nomination my family will vote Republican for the first time. Candidate, Congress and all !

I am tired of changing the rules and moving the goal post until the desired outcome has been accomplished.

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David C, Indianapolis, IN — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:31:12 GMT

This is no different than when HRC signed off on the DNC rules with respect to FL and MI having early primaries. The double standard is alive and well in politics.....

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PeterO — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:31:30 GMT

It was an open primary and you either have to redo both republican and democratic primaries or none at all. Is her camp brain dead? Why is this Obama's fault - he didn't make this mess, so don't blame him.

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Sierra, SF — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:31:43 GMT

Craig (Boston, MA): '...Why should the Democrats be punished in Florida? It was the republican state house and gov. that moved up the primary not the democrats in Florida....'

Sorry !!
Florida's Democratic state legislators VOTED FOR the illegal primary.

The Democratic 'leaders' in Florida and Michigan voted to break the rules...... TS

Next time, FOLLOW THE RULES !!

Billary is just trying to draw out the process
No dice

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Peggy Keator — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:32:01 GMT

I'm from Vernon, Fl. Women got the right to vote in 1923, as far as I know the only way our vote can be taken from us is if we're felony's. So is Michigan, and Florida all felony's. I'm mad as hell over all this. I had nothing to do with moving dates around. It's easy for all you people to say forget us, but if the shoe was on the other foot, would you people feel the same.Obama said all votes should count no matter who you vote for. We the people, are the one's that count. As far as obama and his preacher goes. Who you run with, where you worship at tells a lot about a person. My mom always said "you are who you associate with"!!!!!! I think that says it all.

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gmk ny — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:32:46 GMT

HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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coninpa — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:32:51 GMT

TO: interested parties

Not interested!

Hillary remind me of "baghdad bob", do you remember BOB, we used to love watching him on tv. He was the one who said iraq was not being invaded, america was losing, as the US tanks rolled behind him!
She runs around saying the primary is going just fine...great...we are very pleased. As she is behind, and offers the VP to Obama! ok hillary! filing appeals with the dnc in Texas over just the caucus votes, b/c she didn't win it.
She keeps saying obama is holding up michigan. Well...not really true. Alot of people had to come together on this...including the DNC, which now they have. Obama said he will do what the DNC says, b/c unlike Hillary he follows the rules of our paty!! Hillary has been screaming and carrying on about how much she cares about the voters. But, in previous states where she didn't win she has called voters "peculiar, well they are proud blacks, mississipi she put in the same category as the peculiar Iowans!, and on and on. ok Hillary. She skips out of the state with no thank you's for her supporters, she is sooo busy campaigning! Like Obama and McCain aren't? ok hillary!
She will love you, praise you, worry about you voting....UNLESS your state doesn't doesn't give her the win, then she dismisses the same voters who the week before...she adored! ok hillary! She is nothing but tactics, deceipt, twisting and turning to turn eveyrthing against obama. Nothing is ever her fault, she has NEVER done anything wrong, and she never says I'm sorry, I apoligize. She says it is "regrettable"....ok hillary!
She has about as much character, morals, intellect, and HONESTY as BOB!
I used to become so angry with her...it has gotten past that point. It has become funny to watch her desperate, screaming, dual personalities...hit the airwaves. It is becoming hysterical to watch her, in her denial, in her paranoid state, bitching and whining all day every day about Obama! ok Hillary!
She needs to stay with SNL...that's where she belongs...cuz she is really, really funny!
I don't want a funny, unstable person, I can drink a beer with as president.
We have had that.....
and have that now...
and that didn't work out so well!

Sticking with HOPE..CHANGE...and SANITY!

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Jason, Baltimore, MD — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:33:24 GMT

I am hardly a Clinton hater (and am a big fan of her husband). Still, a do-over is on par with election fraud. The Michigan Democratic Party broke their national rules by pushing to get influence by holding an early election. In turn, the national party told the Democrats that their delegates wouldn't be seated. A number of Democrats removed their name from the ballot to honor their party's rules. The major candidate who didn't now wants these votes to count? (She actually has claimed to "win" Michigan and Florida, which technically she has, but no delegates will be seated from either.) Let us not turn into the GOP here and start rigging elections. Let this stay where it is - no delegates seated from Michigan.

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Joe, Chicago, IL — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:34:01 GMT

"At this moment" we could move forward with a FL & MI re-vote or we could give out various reasons to media. Mr. Obama by disenfranchising the MI & FL voters you are politics of the past. Use the so called "better judgment" you say you have here.

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Rich in colorado — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:34:52 GMT

Didn't everyone, including Clinton and Obama agree that both Michigan and Florida wouldn't count?

Again the liars that are the Clintons change rules continually and lie continually.

What kind of example does any of this set for our children?

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Gail, Dayton, OH — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:34:59 GMT

Hillary war of convience. Do what is every is necessary Clinton. You do change the rules in the middle of the game.

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Evelyn, Austin, TX — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:37:07 GMT

The Obama Campaign's sense of entitlement to the Democratic Nomination is starting to get really annoying. How can he block a re-vote in Michigan and Florida when this goes against the core message of his campaign that is so focused on "the people"???
He is no different from Senator Clinton in that he cannot win this nomination without the vote of superdelegates- this is a very close race- not like McCain and Huckabee.
The Dems will lose Florida and Michigan in the general election if these states are not allowed to either seat their delegates as is or have a re-vote.
Leave it to the Democratic party to mess up this golden opportunity to gain the White House that Bush as served to them on a silver platter.

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Just like the big boys — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:37:36 GMT

Obama is evil.He is pathetic,and obviously totally void of any integrity,humility or grace. GO AWAY

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Annasia — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:37:44 GMT

I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DAY THAT HILLARY QUITS THE RACE - SHE CAN'T WIN EVEN THOUGH SHE'S BENDING REALITY EVERY DAY. SHE'S LOST CREDIBILITY WITH THE VOTERS.

PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF THE LIES HILLARY!

SHE'S JUST A DESPERATE BULL DIKE.

I'LL BE DANCING IN THE STREET!~

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marylynne — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:38:01 GMT

The democrats are like the proverbial dog with the bone who sees his own reflection in the pond. The reflected bone looks bigger and juicier so he drops the bone he has when he goes for the reflection. Obama has his problems and has been bloodied, but he is the real deal, a decent, highly intelligent man, a master communicator who has outcampaigned the Clintons. The Clintons!! If the Superdelegates don't do something soon they will lose it all and they will deserve it.

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Patrick, Boulder CO — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:38:34 GMT

Don't be so simple Hillary fans, Obama isnt standing in the way of Michigan and Florida re-votes, the state LAWS are. You cannot bend the law to your own needs - rules are rules and they need to be followed.

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Jason, Baltimore — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:39:05 GMT

Every single post here supporting Hillary Clinton ignores easily found facts. Every single post. Clinton wants to change the rules to suit her...that is all. period. Obama has NOTHING to do with this, and you can't provide anything suggesting so expect more lies from CLinton own people aobut Obama.

thanksfully, America knows the truth.

Stop the Drama, nominate Obama....THE peoples choice

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Jason, Baltimore MD — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:40:35 GMT

Wow, CLinton supported and their drive-by commnets in ALL CAPS stating fear rhetoric about Obama is funny stuff. You people are pathetic and can;t accept the fact that you lost. Symptom of the times I suppose.

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a.mohan,lynnwood,wa — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:40:58 GMT

HRC campaign's claim is nonsense. The votes are not counted not because of BO campaign fault or the voters fault. This got messed up by the legislators and party leaders of these states. When the standing rules are broken, bringing up a new rule at the eleventh hour without careful consideration by both sides is counter productive and non-feasible. The only solution is dividing 50/50 for pledged delegates with no votes for the super delegates belonging to these states.

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LB, VA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:42:00 GMT

Hillary and that crazy Wasserman Schultz woman in Florida (please, if you are opposing her in the fall, i will send you $) and that lame Canadian Granholm, planned this ahead of time just in case....

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ep-ny — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:45:23 GMT

Obama says I will change theNAFTA--- advisors no he wont I have an Iraq plan --Advisor to Scottish paper--no he wont do that just politics I never heard anything but love,faith,family---- well yes i did but staying with him anyway. I didnt know Resko was in trouble----- well yes I did and he gave me more than I said. No one will say what his wife did while on board that had the say weather land could be devided to buy her dream house.the one Renko helped with and they bought togeather. But. He is the only one that didnt make that fateful vote cause he wasnt there but said later maybe he would have .His advisors did ??????His judgement and honesty leave a little to be desired i think

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JackH Baltimore, Maryland — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:46:34 GMT

We Democrats are shooting ourselves in the foot if we don't SOMEHOW seat the delgates or revote in these two KEY states. I can't believe my party is so screwed up. If it wasnt for issues, I wouldnt be here on the left...

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Jason, Baltimore, MD — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:46:55 GMT

Comments like this are very scary if the come from real people. You really need to educate yourself and stop repeating other people talking points. How is wanting to be president for a long time a good quality? I do not think it is. You baseless comments about Obama are unfounded and your opinion, which is wothless., "

When are the American people going to wake up an realize Obama is an excellent speaker, an that is all--he has a wonderful way of presenting himself--and that's all---I do not believe anything he says, because he really says nothing of substance---I am afraid we are going to wake up when it is too late and end up with more problems then we already have and someone leading us who we know little about and what we do know is alarming---Hillary can be trusted---she has wanted to be president for a long time and has worked toward just that---she knows what she is doing---a vote for Obama is nothing more then a vote for McCain--Obama can not win against McCain but Hillary can--- "
Virginia S, Whiting NJ

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patty,sd,ca — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:47:30 GMT

ANYONE BUT OBAMA.

How dare he lump every priest,rabbi, pastors, with his racist pastor. GREAT JOB AT INSULTING EVERY RELIGION DURING HOLLY WEEK.

ANYONE BUT OBAMA

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snake — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:47:43 GMT

To Obama: Do and say things for his own best interests, period! Just like any other politicians. You can vote for him regardless, but facts are facts. What would Obama do IF he were in Clinton shoes? Should I tell you?

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humor in Obama — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:49:39 GMT

I see Obama isnt doing anything it takes to win. Good job. He just wont let the ones he thinks he hasnt hypnotised to vote.nnnnnnnnnahh you look like you might vote for hillary. This is a primary too nah nah .reminds me of the aflac goat.

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Jason, Baltimore MD — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:51:09 GMT

So, all you folks whining here about something you perceive Obama is doing that he actually didn't do....you same people don't have a problem with Hillary Clinton changing the rules in the middle to suit her? How interesting.....

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Jack, Fort Lee, New Jersey — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:53:40 GMT

Dante...get it straight..the reason the Democratic primary was stripped its delegates in Florida is because of Republican state legislation which moved the primary date up. Minority legislators (democrats) were rendered helpless to contest it.

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Shannon S, Clinton, WA — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:53:54 GMT

If only the Dems had had the foresight to count 1/2 the votes like the Republicans, but it's too late now. As is (and it appears it really is too late to be changed) many voters will be disenfranchised NO matter how they try to resolve this. I have heard from friends in Michigan and also seen several postings from individuals from Michigan and Florida that they've accepted the decisions their states made and the DNC's decision not to count that vote. So as many who will be unhappy if the votes don't count, others from the same states WILL in fact be unhappy if they do count. More and more it sounds as if there is no legitimate way to count the votes of these two states.

But heck, I say seat the delegates, let them be seen and heard, but don't count the delegates' votes as initially agreed to by all Democratic factions. The Hillary supporters who can say with a straight face that the current votes are completely fair are a bit out of touch with reality I fear.

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Jason, Baltimore, MD — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:55:06 GMT

You sir, ignore every fact and and have posted lies. Go away.

"*****AMERICAN VOTERS WILL REMEBER IN NOVEMBER*****

They will remember Sen. Obama's willingness to disenfranchise MILLIONS of voters in FL and MI
--AND THEY WILL Vote Sen. Obama BACK TO SENATE and NOT THE WHITE HOUSE !!

The American voters are NOT dumb! "

Damn right they aren't and that is why Clinton is losing.

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Jason, Baltimore, MD — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:57:00 GMT

YOu obviously know nothing about Hillary then, and the company she keeps....You Clintonites and your cherry picked nonsense ARE EXACTLY LIKE REPUBLICANS. Is that what you want America, more of the same whiny teenage BS we've had for 8 years?

"As far as obama and his preacher goes. Who you run with, where you worship at tells a lot about a person. My mom always said "you are who you associate with"!!!!!! I think that says it all. "

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Edna Rawson — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:58:16 GMT

This is all BS. Anyone with half a brain won't vote for either one but I agree the people of these two states should not be denied their rightful chance to vote and have these votes counted. The heads of the Dem party who decided this stupid move should be made to resign. As for McCain, who wants him either. He will just continue the Bush policy, god help us, for another 4 yrs. Where did all the good guys and gals go?

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New Independent — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:59:57 GMT

Hillary and her campaign forget to mention that not just Obama, BUT EVERY Candidate removed their names from the ballot. Oh, that's right, everyone but Hillary!!! So because Hillary was slick, that should make it o.k. now that on the revote, only certain people can revote? All those that voted uncommitted or Republican are now not allowed to vote? I don't think so. Seems pretty un-American to me. You want to do a re-vote, do a re-vote for EVERY voter in the state. Not a select few. The more I hear of this the more I am turned off by her. Heaven help me, it will be really, really hard to vote for her if Obama doesn't make it.

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Rick,Ky — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:02:59 GMT

My mom always said "you are who you associate with"!!!!!! I think that says it all.
Peggy Keator (Sent Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:32 PM

My mom told me the same thing, that's why when the State legislature You voted for, does this to you, You are just as Guilty.Vote the Dumbasses out or continue to be a Dumbass yourself, like J.Merle & the rest of Hillary's illiterate bunch.

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vote4thebest — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:04:54 GMT

The DNC and other democratic leaders completely create this problem and not the voters. Who give them the right to say whose votes count or do not? The DNC can 'punish' their members in whatever ways they want but to ignore the voters are just plain lunacy.

I can see that Clinton has a personal interest, but so should Obama to demonstrate his confidence and to be consistent with his promise of transparency and respect for the people.

If I were from these states, then I would just vote for anybody else but existing leaderships, from both parties.

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AMERICA VOTERS WILL REMEMBER — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:05:39 GMT

TO, JASON IN MD.

Sir,
Do you REALLY think the American Voter is dumb?
C'mon now, if CNN and the rest of the media is reporting about Obama's non-willingness to allow and agree to a re-vote...

WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT THE CANDADATE?
Ummmm, good question ay?

And if you REALLY think voters WILL NOT REMEMBER, COME NOVEMBER, then I suggest sir, you think again

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Sunny Girl, Monroe Michigan — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:51:43 GMT

If you were a Democrat who crossed the line and voted Republican in protest against Hillary, you do NOT get to vote in a re-vote! How many people do you think would have done this, if our vote was going to matter? How many of these people would have voted for Obama. There is no fair way for a re-vote. Our Governor and her clan screwed us for her own personal gain. I will vote against anyone of these people in her circle when it comes time for our next State elections. I hope you do the same!

By the way I am a 41-year-old white woman that is a housewife to a blue-collar worker, and most of the men and women in my family feel the same way I do!