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Consistency of Obama’s inconsistencies — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:11:39 GMT

********A REPETATIVE PATTERN*********

Sen. Obama is 100% ‘UNELECTABLE’ (very sad). His consistency of the inconsistency has left many voters to question his Judgment, Character and Leadership abilities to steer this country through very serious times!

TRUST IS GONE, period ! Once you no longer have trust (especially with the working class of this country), it is very very difficult to regain, if at all. In the remaining states, the voters are going to come out in huge numbers and crack this election wide open in favor of Sen. Clinton as many are finally realizing the inconsistencies of Sen. Obama is a repetitive pattern that leaves us all to question if this is “Change we can really believe in.”

The Superdeligates need to wake up and realize the scandals involving Sen. Obama will NOT soon be forgotten by the voters, nor will the scandals be swept quietly under the carpet and go away (as many in the media are hoping).

Especially, when Sen. Obama is willing to disenfranchise millions of voters to suit his specific needs when he stands at podium and claims he wants to “UNITE” America ! How is disenfranchising millions of voters ‘uniting’ America?

Makes absolutely no sense – again, we see a repetitive pattern of the consistency of the inconsistencies.

Trust me, come November ---voters will remember and as such, MI and FL will go to McCain.

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Benjamin — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:12:40 GMT

So NOW polls count ?
When was the last time Mark penn said the Gallup tracking poll was relevant ?

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CitizenJ — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:12:50 GMT

And yet she is losing in the most important polling there is: votes.

She has won fewer states, fewer delegates, and fewer votes.

Unfortunately, Mr. Penn, you can't spin reality.

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PHYLLIS,OH — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:13:41 GMT

WOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
THE TIDES ARE A TURNING....THANK GOD,PEOPLE ARE FINALLY WAKING UP....AND IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN MICHELLE OBAMA SAID THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY TIME HE WOULD RUN....MUSIC TO MY EARS!!!GO BACK TO CHICAGO AND FROM A WHITE CHRISTIAN:"HAVE A BLESSED DAY"

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Cheryl Henry, Atlanta, GA — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:13:54 GMT

Well, THAT particular collection of spin is neither fair, balanced or even completely accurate. Amazing how Team Clinton continues to live in their own 'little' world. The American people are speaking loudly and clearly everyday, WE WANT OBAMA. Now if only the Clinton Team would listen...

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Maddog, Charlotte NC — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:14:30 GMT

Sorry Penn but the more people learn about Obama's leadership and candor...the more presidential he looks.

Compare that to Hillary who constantly ducks the tough questions. A reporter asked Hillary, what do you think about Obama's speech. Her response, that's a question for Obama. Oh yea, real presidential.

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Michael, Indianapolis, IN — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:14:41 GMT

With the schedules recently released, it's obvious that the credit Ms. Clinton gave herself for "foreign policy experience" was great exagurated. I would wonder if that story were covered as exhaustivly as the Obama minister's statements - how would that poll react. The polls show a decline in numbers for Obama since the extensive and saturated coverage on all the major networks of the minister. What interesting to me is that Ms. Clinton's OWN words have been often inaccurate, while Mr. Obama is being judged harshly for the words on his minister - not for anything he himself said.

I'm a white, middle-aged union voter in Indiana. My vote is going for Obama. It's obvious that he has generated enthusiasm, voter interest and a groundswell of support. He will be the nominee - I'm certain of it.

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Amy Andersen — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:15:05 GMT

Momentum swings largely reflect people's visceral reactions to whatever the MSM is feeding them that particular day. I have faith. The Clintons will not be able to help themselves, and momentum will shift again before the convention. Senator Obama will win the nomination and the general election.

Obama/Webb 08

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Jesse, Fallon NV — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:15:39 GMT

Blah, Blah, Blah

Does this guy have a job lined up after his client loses the nomination?

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Paula ME — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:15:43 GMT

Obama will still beat her!

Go Obama

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Pat, Boston, MA — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:16:56 GMT

Mark Penn, the more we know about the Clinton's, the more we dislike them. Okay?

Hillary Clinton is a woman who did not investigate the Bush Administration's claim of WMD's in Iraq. She couldn't be bothered even though it is Congress's responsibility to hold any Administration accountable.

Now 4,000 Americans killed. How many thousands upon thousands of Iraqi's civilians I wonder have lost their lives simply because Congress didn't do their homework?

I hope you all got a chance to see Keith's interview last night with Jon Soltz/Votevets.org. The pain in his face and voice is undeniable. Our vets are hurting not only physically and economically, but also emotionally, knowing their government sent them on a mission based on lies.

Let's hope we don't forget what this upcoming election is about. It's about what kind of country we want to be, what kind of leadership we want and should demand.

Hillary can't make that happen.

Chris Matthews was right - when we talk about change, we're talking about our country never, ever repeating the mistakes made in Iraq.

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Bwang Jue — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:17:22 GMT

Penn is right. This Wright stuff hanging on Obama is going to bring him down.

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Linda. Boston, MA — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:18:07 GMT

So the polls are meaningless unless Hillary is up.... then they mean everything? Before they get all excited, they should take another look next week, when the "Wright effect" has worn off.

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MK,MO — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:18:08 GMT

national poll numbers are a farce, and anything coming out of the mouth of a man of mark penn's stature should be taken for what it's worth, nothing

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Diane P. Riverdale,MD — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:18:13 GMT

this campaign is getting more ridiculous by the day! there is no way for Hillary to catch up! why is the press constantly fanning the flames of all of these meaningless polls, analogies, etc. why doesn't the DNC step in & end this madness before the entire democratic pary is destroyed by the Clinton's win at any cost logic.

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NN — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:19:43 GMT

It's Game Over, Hillary!! Please concede to unify the Democratic Party. After Barack's speech on race, I am more than convinced that he is our best hope for this country. It's over, Hillary.

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BobW Mendon, NY — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:19:59 GMT

What Mark Penn failed to brag about is Hillary's smear campaign with the super delegates by reminding them that Obama can't be electable because of the Wright controversy.

Makes wonder if Mark and Harold didn't start the whole Wright thing in the first place.

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Enrique, Chicago — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:20:04 GMT

Nice try Mark Penn. All of the spin is making me dizzy. It was funny how you picked and chose certain polls. Give it up.

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Elle Brooks, San Bernardino, California — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:20:04 GMT

This just goes to show that if given the chance Hillary can do this. She has the experience and I wish her all the luck.

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Jeff, Austin — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:21:05 GMT

Sen. Hillary Clinton's top pollster says voters are starting to get a case of "buyer's remorse" when it comes to choosing a presidential candidate.Selectively citing some flattering new polling figures, top Clinton adviser Mark Penn claimed Sen. Barack Obama's national lead among Democrats is "evaporating"."Perhaps a significant case of buyer's remorse is setting in as people begin to go through the process of vetting and testing Senator Obama," Penn told reporters on a conference call Wednesday.

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1905

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Mel — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:21:15 GMT

The polls of which he speaks were taken in the midst of the Wright scandal and BEFORE Obama's very well-received speech.

What this is - is a tactic to direct attention to Obama's low poll numbers in hopes that the voters will act like sheep and his numbers will continue to drop.

The Clintons understand this phenominon - look at where Bill's poll numbers were right after Monica...but he still left office with a much higher approval rating.

The Clintons have to do this - it reflects the despiration the campaign is feeling right now. There is NO WAY the math works for Clinton. So now she MUST rely on the Super Deligates - b/c the polls that matter - the ones where people actually VOTED - show that Obama won more STATES, more POPULAR VOTE and more DELIGATES than Clinton.

I really hope that the voters are smarter than this.

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Jeff, Austin — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:21:18 GMT

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BL, Cincinnati OH — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:21:46 GMT

I love how he cherry picks only certain exit polls.

Can't wait to see the spin when/if the numbers reverse. That poll was taken during the 4 days of the Wright videos being on endless replay and before the speech by Obama.

Lets see what the polls say in Pennsylvania and across the nation over the next 3 weeks, after things have settled in. Maybe ones taken after the Penns debate. Lets see if the numbers hold true or not before you prance around. One poll is not a trend or shift, just a quick snapshot. It takes a series of polls over a period of time to show a trend. Only time will tell.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:22:17 GMT

Let's talk about unelectable. Hillary is and always has been. Her negatives are at 53 - sorry, not even in the ballpark.

The end result of her kitchen sink strategy could be an unelectable Obama. This will be Clinton working to the detriment of the Democratic Party for her own selfish reasons.

My personal guess is she already has given up on this year's nomination, but if she can ensure Obama loses, there will be a new nomination race in 2012.

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Jim, Santa Cruz — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:22:35 GMT

Mr Penn does not seem to understand any mathematical functions other than straight lines and should realize that this campaign can't be be modeled so simply. The polls on Obama, McCain and Clinton have been and will continue to oscillate until finally damping out with a winner and loser. The complexity of this election is not what Penn expected and Obama is tenacious and actually very adept at turning the tables.

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Noel, Hot Springs, AR — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:22:41 GMT

When Hillary drops out the Florida and Michgan delegations will be seated, easy enough. As for the polls, they show that the knife fight started by the Clinton campaign is dragging both of them down.

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PA Voter — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:23:43 GMT

Can anyone please tell me what was so awful about the 90's?

Economy was stable....
401ks were holding up well....
people had money in their pockets...

WHAT was so awful about this? Clinton took a deficit and turned it into a surplus within 3 years...

WHAT WAS SO BAD ABOUT THIS ???

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Jeff — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:23:54 GMT

To: Mr. Penn
From: Mr. Taylor
Re: Reality

On March 7th, Barack Obama was losing to Hillary Clinton 43% to 49%, according to Rasmussen's daily tracking poll. Today, March 20th, Barack Obama leads Hillary Clinton 45% to 44%.

True, both candidates have experienced ups and downs. However, you're just being stupid.

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Denise Karger, Rockford, Minnesota — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:24:50 GMT

I think it's sad that this is become for Hillary a win at any cost. It doesn't matter that she is splitting the party, or changing the rules in the middle of the "game". Senator Obama continues to show his leadership and fairness. He has always treated all states as equally important. She now claims she does, because she is desparete. When she lost in Iowa, it didn't count. She continued to have excuses in any state she didn't win. As a 53 year old white woman from Minnesota, I am saddened that she feels our votes are worthless because we had a caucus. She has lost my respect because she continues to put herself first. Hillary, do what's right for America, and bow out gracifully. Quit playing old politics. America is tired of it. And we know the polls aren't reliable. According to the polls, my mother, myself, and my daughters should all be voting for you. We chose to vote for Senator Obama because he believes in a better America. Please accept this in a concerned voice and not an angry one.
Denise from Minnesota

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j fl — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:25:01 GMT

Obama = Hindenburg. Oh! the humanity!

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C A, Tuscaloosa, AL — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:25:36 GMT

NEW CBS POLL (Out Today)

Obama 48 McCain 43

Hillary 46 McCain 44

Ah, where is this shift?

Obama is taking on four major players here, Hillary, Bill, McCain and some of those racist red-necks that the news pundits call white blue coller workers, and he is still standing.

Obama takes a major hit with the Rev. Wright crap and all that Hillary can throw at him including the bathroom sink in addition to the kitchen sink and he still beats McCain by much greater numbers then Hillary.

By the way, we know that those reporting for MSNBC have their own picks and biases and that they come out from time to time. That's cool. We realize you guys and gals are only human. But tell Joe Scarborough that he is the absolute worse. Man does this guy show his true colors. You would think he were married to Hillary rather then Bill. Looking for a spot in a Hillary administration Joe?

SIT DOWN HILLARY!

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Danny C. Chicago, IL — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:27:11 GMT

The Hillary C. camp is definitely leading in the state of denial.

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Jose Hussein, PA — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:27:48 GMT

Consistency of Obama’s inconsistencies (Sent Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:11 AM)

So now the Clintons are in the Politics of Projecting. Very funny.

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John Mehan, San Francisco, CA — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:28:47 GMT

According to the Boston Globe, hundreds of thousands of Republicans in Texas and Ohio voted for Hillary in the March 4th primary. "It's as simple as this: I don't think McCain can beat Obama," said one Texas Republican who voted for Hillary.

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Ryan C, New Orleans, LA — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:29:20 GMT

Give it up Hillary. To quote your husband, "Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tail I've ever seen." You lost - don't take the party down out of your own desperation.

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CJ — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:30:09 GMT

Watch what you say Penn...polls do not comprise the candidate. When Obama turns this around what will Penn have to say then. It's not about cynicism, political positioning, and dealings..Obama is honest and that is what will be his victory in the end. That is the biggest political failure of this generation, leadership by polls and opinion...not conviction and humility.

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Matt from Iraq — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:30:54 GMT

You see a shift because Senator Obama is being attacked from all sides, and they all pretty much sound the same. If this is the best they can throw at him, given the way he has responded to this whole Wright issue, Obama is going to walk away easily in November at the real poll that counts: actual votes.

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Marty, Crown Point, IN — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:31:22 GMT

Hillary supporters, be realistic:
1. Travelgate

2. Lawsuit needed to get the heavily redacted schedules

3. HRC and Bill campaigning for McCain with their glowing support of him!!!?? (Come on people - why is the DNC accepting THAT? - no one wants 4 more years of Bush policy)

4. NORMAN HSU - why isn't he a headline or Peter Paul?
if you are to be held accountable not for yourself, but anyone who you know.

5. Anyone bothered that the recently released schedules show Hillary having meetings on behalf of NAFTA and encouraging support for it?? I'm union - NAFTA is a deal breaker for that vote - believe me.

This list could go on - but suffice it to say if the news media saturated the airwaves with these issues, Hillary's numbers would drop like lead.

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Paul — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:32:13 GMT

Maybe Penn can explain how a candidate (Clinton) who was unfavorable rating of 53%-55% and who more than 50% of the population believes to be dishonest and untrustworthy is electable. Even with the Wright controversy, he is still beating her.

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PAW, Oakland, CA — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:33:40 GMT

The Mark Penn express to where exactly?
first it is one thing. Then it is another thing. Then it is everything. Then it is nothing.
No wonder Hillary's message has been so consistent.
Oh ya. Message is Mandy's and Howard's job. Mark has no responsibility here what so ever.
None that is until there is so potential good news in the message. Then it is all in the numbers. just ask Mark. He'll set it straight. He is Chief Strategist.
The main man. With no budget authority or access.
WOW!
No wonder patty in SD finds this so easy to follow.

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Lady Professor — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:34:30 GMT

Penn: "Polls don't count", "Polls don't count"...whoops "Polls count"!

Hey Penn, if your candidate was READY ON DAY 1, why wasn't she fighting for MI and FL to count THEN back in 2007???????

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Joyce, PA — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:35:00 GMT

The new polls (gallup) do show Hilary leading Obama now 49-42 with 3% margin of error - even after his speech. This is the biggest lead any of them had ever held. So yes, there is definitely a slow but steady shift in momentum.

To those that feels Hilary will try to win at any cost, try to examine Obama as well. Be fair. He straight faced noted that he knew nothing of his Pastor's stance on controversial issues while contradicted that in his speech. Looks to me like he would do anything to get there himself.

Both are in a hotly contested fight to nomination. They both will do whatever it takes.

It's a question now of who we can truly rely on in times like these where everything is a mess from the economy to foreign affairs. Enough of the side shows. We need to focus on getting our problems resolve. And we can do that by voting for the right candidate.

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JC, Massachusetts — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:35:15 GMT

It makes me happy to see that the people haven't given up on Obama. O' was right, the people who were never going to vote for him still won't (Pat Buchanan). Those who know that he is clearly the most intelligent, thoughtful, rational candidate, will vote for Barack regardless of the Clinton spin.

The wright comment will turn out to be positive, as American's wake up and realize that we should all be angry about the injustices this country has perpetrated on its own people and throughout the world.

This is why Barack is the best candidate, he has been working and speaking out against the deplorable acts of the American government, and yes, the rich people who run this country (banking crisis - ills of inevstment capital).

Barack treats the people as they are, people and not voters. So, why don't the people in MI and Fl, get a vote? They already did, but they let their state government break the rules so that their votes don't count. Blame the state, not the Barack. God forbid we have a president who is willing to follow rules.

Barack Obama "08

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Stupid @$$ — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:36:25 GMT

Hey j fl:

If Obama is the Hindenburg then Clinton is the Titanic.

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las. fleetwood, ny — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:39:10 GMT

Is anyone besides me so sick of the spin, spin , spin???? The only person speaking to us like adults with a brain is Obama. I admaire him more every day and my respect for Hillary plummets.

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oknOK — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:39:45 GMT

It's about what kind of country we want to be, what kind of leadership we want and should demand.
****
Yes, Pat, peoplle deserve a good leader. They don't deserve a sneak and a liar. I'm appalled that people can't see Obama was attemtpting to sneak Wright by you, but he got caught. This man who has PREACHED transparency and truth. He's not who he says he is. And, for me, all his rhetoric was 'JUST WORDS'.

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Robert Catalano, Salem, OR — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:42:09 GMT

Mark Penn and Terry McAuliffe; WHAT A PAIR. One has numbers that never add up and you can't believe a word the other one says. Mr. Wrong and Mr. Smarmy. Another reason not to vote for Hillary.

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Dan Locke — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:42:19 GMT

My personal guess is she already has given up on this year's nomination, but if she can ensure Obama loses, there will be a new nomination race in 2012.

Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA

Obama doesn't need any help from Hillary, he's losing all by himself.

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Baileigh — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:44:15 GMT

This memo may come back to bite Mr. Penn if the poll numbers change in the next few weeks. If that happens, what argument will he be able to make on behalf of Senator Clinton?

The longer this goes on the more I think a joint Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama ticket will be the only way to salvage the Democratic party, even though I think both candidates would prefer to run with somebody else.

I'm curious: How many Democrats will really vote for McCain if your preferred Democratic candidate is not on the ballot? Personally, I STRONGLY prefer an Obama presidency, but barring some kind of incredible scandal (like one of the nominees being a serial-killer or something along those lines), I could never throw my support behind the Republican candidate this year. I'll suck it up and support Clinton, if that's what it comes to and as downhearted as I would be.

Does anybody else have any thoughts on this? (Haters, please don't respond. I'm so sick of the hate.)

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Feisty Redhead IL — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:45:17 GMT

Voters with an IQ higher than a potato know this is just more of the same spin we've grown so accustomed to...

New Bumper Sticker for the Clinton campaign should be:

Potato Heads for Clinton 08!

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Terri, Pittsburgh, PA — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:46:59 GMT

Joyce - you probably ought to look at ALL the polls, not just one. Obama is our nominee, Hillary needs to get a calculator.

Poll Date Sample Obama Clinton Spread
RCP Average 03/13 - 03/18 - 47.2 44.2 Obama +3.0
Rasmussen Tracking 03/15 - 03/18 900 LV 47 42 Obama +5.0

CBS News 03/15 - 03/18 LV 46 43 Obama +3.0
CNN 03/14 - 03/16 463 RV 52 45 Obama +7.0
USA Today/Gallup 03/14 - 03/16 530 A 49 42 Obama +7.0

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Mister Oh, Seattle, Wash — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:47:38 GMT

Penn should stop giving these people false hope and ask for their support "No Matter Who Wins."

Hillary's not gonna make it, and the more she goes forward, the more she shows that the stuff will stick to her where you will see Obama get through these attacks from left, right, and center with ease!

Hillary supported (according to initial releases of her First Lady calendar/schedule) the passage of NAFTA, and that will hurt her in PA.

The reason why Obama's being charged with some other man's words as his own (Rev. Wright) is because it's gonna come up later against McCain, and Obama needed to be vetted of it prior to upcoming Dem attack against McCain! Hillary's not being vetted in the press anymore. The people have just stopped looking.
Why?
Her candidacy is now officially over.
Find something now about Barry Obama that you like today and can support tomorrow - because he will be the nominee, or the Dem party is toast.

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Kym — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:48:09 GMT

My personal guess is she already has given up on this year's nomination, but if she can ensure Obama loses, there will be a new nomination race in 2012.

Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA

Paul I am with you, it is almost as if she is doing it out of SPITE. That is my only explanation for her actions.

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PD NEWYORK — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:48:43 GMT

Hmmm. Instead of spin and memos how about we just wait and see how well Obama and Clinton do in the upcoming contests?
Obama isn't done yet and if he ends up overcoming this bit of negative MSM airplay, he will be all the stronger for it. If not, you still have the Clinton candidacy to falll back on.

As an independent voter who starting voting in the first place after being inspired by Bill Clinton in 1992, and as someone who voted for Hillary in the last Senate race, I am disappointed that the Demorcats would make the same kind of choice they made in 2004 and run a candidate who is somewhat compromised on the issue of Iraq, which really is the core issue. The economy would be in far better shape were it not for this mistaken war. The US dollar would probably also be stronger as we wouldn't have flooded the market with them since we have to borrow cash from the likes of China to finance this mess.

I also think that while Hillary has proven herself a tough opponent, all this flip flopping over Florida and Michigan make this grown accomplished woman sound like a child who seeks to change the rules when she is losing. Her own guy, Ickes voted to impose these very rules over at the DNC, she herself signed on to agree to them.
Seems to me the fairest thing is to stick to those rules which were established and agreed upon way back before anyone had won any actual races or delegates. To play games with it now, and to now claim that you are concerned about these voters not having a voice, when before you agreed to all of this sinks you to a level that does you justice. Hillary picks and chooses. She was not concerned about these votes when she thought that they wouldn't matter. She never thought the contest would go like this. Her team did not plan to run a full primary. They targeted the big states where she was the favorite.
Think about this.
THIS IS THE SAME LOSING STRATEGY- IT LOST IN 2004
in 2002 in 2000.

In 1992 and in 1996 Bill Clinton managed to never crack 50% of the popular vote. HE also never managed to have coat-tails as the Democrats lost seats in both elections.

Since Dr. Dean took over the DNC and replaced Clintons' man Terry, the Democrats won seats in the last midterm they would not have otherwise. The Dems made major gains at the state level. The party is being built from the ground up.

Its seems to me its the instinct of the Clinton people to think "top down". To avoid competing in states where they deem they have less of a chance to win. That is a major mistake.

The other problem I have with the Clinton run (aside the obvious royal family stuff and the Bush. Clinton, Bush, Clinton pattern)
is that both her and Bill seem to willing to say anything to win.
I get the Commander-in Chief "test" remarks. But the problem is that they claim McCain and Hillary pass some phantom test while Obama has yet to. This obviously plays well for the GOP.

And its a false premise anyway.

Truth is, Hillary failed when she did not show leadership back in 2002. She failed again when she voted for that Iranian resolution recently. Hillary's record, which is what she should be measured by is what the problem is. Look at her Senate record.

I also would remind people of something-
The Clintons do fight and they fight very hard.
They will do what it takes to win back the Whitehouse.

But remember this- when the healthcare thing exploded in their faces , they put their tales between their legs and retreated from the subject.

The only time I recall Bill putting his foot down was when the government shut down for a bit in 95.

They fought only when Monica happened. ANd that was for themselves.

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Ron, TX — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:51:57 GMT

My wife lost 20 pounds taking Mark Penn's Spinning Class...

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New Independent — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:52:43 GMT

I don't know where they get these people they poll. I can only tell you from my experience, I have been speaking to alot of people and they are extremely unhappy with the Clintons and the way they are running this campaign. The whole Florida Michigan vote is distateful, and she signed her agreement that they would be disqualified. Where were all the words about voters being disenfranchised when it was happening? Where were all the Florida and Michigan voters who are so upset now???

As far as Rev. Wright goes, almost every American has a friend or a relative who says things that we disagree with. I heard one of the republicans on t.v. (I can't remember his name, Joe?) say he would NEVER vote for anyone who sat and listened to someone say goddamnamerica. First of all, no one knows if Obama was at that service and if he was if he said anything privately to Wright. I just sat through my son's confirmation and totally disagreed with at least 2 things the bishop said. And disagreed strongly. Will I leave my church? No. Did I talk to my kids on the way home, yes.

As far as all these idiots who say we should never criticize America, I say they have been listening to the Bush administration too long. I see nothing wrong in criticizing anything! I have never believed in blindly following anything out of loyalty. Everything and I mean EVERYTHING can always be made better. I have raised my children to always ask questions of anything they disagree with. If the founders of our country never believed in questioning the way things were being run, we wouldn't be the U.S.A. I have also taught my children that they have to learn to live with ALL people, even those they don't agree with. This concept of totally disassociating with people you don't agree with is ridiculous. Even Jesus hung around with the sinners.

As far as judging Obama by his minister's words, why not judge him instead on the work he has done and the way he has voted? Do the same with Hillary and McCain.

At any rate, the way Obama has stood up to all these hits (remember how he wasn't tested?) has only strengthened those who believe in him. I am an independent and have not even been able to vote. I think you would be very surprised by how many people actually support him.

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Rick,Ky — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:02:01 GMT

The establishment have found their go to guy, (Jeremiah Wright)to try & derail Barack's nomination.This pattern developed early in the campaign,Muslim email, Madrassa's attended, Jesse Jackson,Picture in Native dress & Now, Mr Wright.Until this past week, America had fought for Barack & against the Establishment trying to Ruin a Great politician Again.I have No fact's that this is why Hillary was able to maintain a campaign after 11 losses in a row(so late in the season)other than Common Sense.
My support for Barack has Not & will Not be diminshed by this line of attack.Since Day 1, i have been an avid supporter & will Proudly cast my vote for Barack in May.I'm smart enough Not to allow this Public Lynching that is happening. I'm Smart enough Not to allow the establishment to Put the word's of 1 man inside the body of a Completely different man.I'm Smart enough to see that Barack has taken every hit from every angle coming from Hillary, Mccain,GWB, The MSM, The Religous Right Terrorist Bible Thumper's & whoever else has tryed to attack the man's Integrity, Judgement & Character & continues to Beat them All.Not a single one of us could withstand this kinda pressure, yet he has.His supporter's will Not allow this Public Lynching to happen as evidenced by his commanding lead in every category that matter's for the Democratic Nomination.

" DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER"

New Penn memo: 'The shift to Hillary'

Brian, NC — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:02:03 GMT

We all know the Clinton's policy is driven by polls, so it is easy to understand why they want the super delegates to use them in their decision making. Here's a different idea, let's use principal!