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Cory - Greenville, SC — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:24:37 GMT

Hmm, sounds pretty straight up to me. Once again, another attempt by the Clinton's to dig up some dirt as been shot down and aborted.

http://www.politivine.com

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Pete - Albany, NY — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:27:41 GMT

Ever notice you never hear Senator Clinton talk about education on the campaign trail?

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Patty, SD,CA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:27:53 GMT

Lets split some hairs.

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Pat Huntington NY — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:29:16 GMT

hmmm, he's either a professor or he's not...and it seems the Law School never gave him the title of professor and therefore, whether he was regarded as one is irrelevant. The fact remains that while he gave lecutures from time to time, he was not a professor as he claimed and as the Law School still has yet to state otherwise.

So, it was correct for Clinton to point this out.

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twocanpete — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:29:34 GMT

http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
I thought he was a professor of Liberation Theology?

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Mark R., South Montrose, PA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:29:46 GMT

After looking at the University of Chicago's clarification, would someone tell the Clinton Campaign that "there is no THERE there!"

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:30:03 GMT

I agree with Cory. Obama said he was a professor and the university just validated that. No issue there, except the monster's continued attempts to make Obama as unelectable as she is.

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Gail, Dayton, OH — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:30:16 GMT

Case closed. Truthful and to the point.

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YCM - NYC — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:30:35 GMT

Yet another Clinton LIE debunked.

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Law Student — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:32:09 GMT

As an ex-law student, I guarantee you the students called him Prof. Obama not Lecturer Obama. Its a distinction without a difference. Clinton is really this pathetic?

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Claire — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:32:43 GMT

Barack Obama has not built a CAMPAIGN PLATFORM on his "experience" of being a Professor. Hillary Clinton has built a CAMPAIGN PLATFORM on her FOREIGN POLICY "experience." There is a BIG DIFFERENCE.

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C.K. Steele Fort Lauderdale, FL — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:34:11 GMT

Boom! Silly Hillary. Just because you may lie without conscience doesn't mean that everyone else has. I actually know a girl that was in one of the classes he taught. Unfortunately, there isn't anyone who can verify Sen. Clinton's "sniper fire" delusion. Why would someone lie about something that can be so easily fact-checked? Arrogance maybe? Well we have enough of that now with Bush/Cheney.

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Lisa, New Britain, CT CT for Obama — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:34:21 GMT

It would seem his official title may be lecturer but those distinctions are rarely made by students and outsiders to the school. When I was in college or grad school (and I have both a law degree and an MBA in healthcare admin.), I always called my teacher Professor or Dr. Rarely did I know what their exact title at the school was. Clearly he taught Con Law at the very reputable law school, clearly he was Professor Obama to his students.

Let's move on...

Woman for Obama 08

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AM — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:34:34 GMT

This is reaching the point of absurdity.

The Clinton campaign is now trying to differentiate between the positions of senior lecturer and law professor.

I think that says it all about the desperate state of their campaign.

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Paul, Riverside, CA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:35:09 GMT

"Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School."

Umm, it clearly states that he was a professor. I think you people need to FULLY read the quote.

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Vincent KC — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:36:18 GMT

Pat can you even read? Or are you just to slow minded to understand the words.
"Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined."
Seems to me to be the schools saying he is a professor. Of course he did not state he had to duck and run from sniper fire on the way to class. Guess he gets more sleep.

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Kristin, WI — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:37:42 GMT

"From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School."

"Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track."

Please reference the above two quotations directly from the Law School statement. He is obviously considered a professor by the school.

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Pete - Albany, NY — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:37:44 GMT

"hmmm, he's either a professor or he's not...and it seems the Law School never gave him the title of professor and therefore, whether he was regarded as one is irrelevant. The fact remains that while he gave lecutures from time to time, he was not a professor as he claimed and as the Law School still has yet to state otherwise.

So, it was correct for Clinton to point this out."

Pat Huntington NY (Sent Friday, March 28, 2008 10:29 AM)

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Pat, did you even bother to read this blog before you posted? Go back and try again.

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Patrick, Indianapolis — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:39:28 GMT

Pat in Huntington NY:

Get a clue dude. The only difference is in the official title. Obama didn't give lectures from "time to time". He taught three courses a year while serving in the IL legislature and US Senate. So Obama was a professor but because he was not on a tenure-track his title was that of Senior Lecturer. He did exactly what professors do but was not a tenure-track professor. To try to claim that Obama is lying here really shows how desperate you Clinton supporters are.

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Keith in PA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:39:41 GMT

Thanks for proving once again that Obama tells the truth! GO OBAMA!!

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MBM, Chicago, IL — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:41:00 GMT

Pat,

Here is the excerpt from the schools statement.

"From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track."

Please notice that they state that he "served as a professor" and "are regarded as professors". Now how does this compare with the "we were under sniper fire" and "ran with our heads down to the cars" statements?

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campdog — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:41:13 GMT

As the spouse of a Professor I can tell you that they (Professors) do not view lecturers as Professors.

But so what. This is as silly as the discussion of Clinton's "exagerations".....

Mountains out of molehills while the war rages, people lose their homes and the only thing that is shrinking quicker than the antarctic is the value of the dollar!

Both camps need to get back to the issues.

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AJ, IL — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:41:30 GMT

Let's see...

Obama says he taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago. TRUE

Hillary says she went to combat zone Bosnia. TRUE

Obama says about the Terry Schiavo case "And I think that was a mistake, and I think the American people understood that that was a mistake. And as a constitutional law professor, I knew better". University of Chicago confirms that status of Sr. Lecturer is comparable to Law Professor.

Hillary says on numerous occassion but particular on March 17th about her Bosnia trip, "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base". CBS NEWS releases video footage clearly showing that Hillary lied about her tarmac ordeal.

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Gary Schear, Bozeman Montana — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:42:30 GMT

From Wikipedia:
The meaning of the word professor (Latin: professor, person is professed to be an expert in some art or science, teacher of highest rank) varies. In some English-speaking countries, it refers to a senior academic who holds a departmental chair, especially as head of the department, or a personal chair awarded specifically to that individual. For example, in the UK and Australia it is a legal title conferred by a university denoting the highest academic rank, whereas in the United States, Brazil, Canada, India, Hong Kong, individuals often use the term professor as a polite form of address for any lecturer, or researcher employed by a college or university, regardless of rank.

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We deserve what we get. — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:42:44 GMT

just anothe boneheaded mistake---------how many more in closet?After he is crowned at the convention the republicans will bring out many more.They are much smarter than the Democratic party,and are chuckleing on the sidelines.Matthews is doing his best to get rid o the Clinton family and pushingfor Obama---He knows his hero John Mccain will beat Obama into the ground.

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Phred, NH — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:43:45 GMT

Meanwhile in my lab I have devised an insidious method for splitting hairs. Hopefully I can market this to the Clinton campaign for big $'s.

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Pete - Albany, NY — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:44:53 GMT

"Ok, so even if he was a professor, all he did was lecture, i.e., give pretty speeches on the law, etc. So, once again...Obama is all words and no substance, while Hillary is the right experience and about solutions."

Pat Huntington NY (Sent Friday, March 28, 2008 10:38 AM)

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It's called teaching. Are you suggesting that teachers all across the country are just about "pretty words" and that they're "all words and no substance"?

Does Senator Clinton have any experience in the academic world such as this?

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AJ, IL — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:45:24 GMT

LAW STUDENT makes an interesting and revealing post. Did the law students call Barack Obama, Professor Obama or Sr. Lecturer Obama? In campaign words of Bill Clinton 'Let's stop beating a dead dog.'

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cc, boston, Ma — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:46:15 GMT

I do not understand why the Clinton pushed this story. It was easy to know figure that any one that teaches at a University or College are professors. Full time or not.

Question is, Where has Billary taught?

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Jim Black — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:46:47 GMT

Oh, gosh Pat Huntington NY, you’re pathetic! On your smartest day you wouldn't have as much intelligence in Obama's pinkie finger on his slowest day. Every professor "lectures", did you not ever attend college?

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sg, michigan — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:46:53 GMT

At least Obama didn't tell everyone he lectured under sniper fire.

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Kristin, WI — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:47:02 GMT

No offense, but take it from a college student, profeessors do more than lecture. It takes time and effort to prepare something that is meaningful to students. Please admit your mistake and move on. Thank you. Oh, and by the way, I'm not supporting any candidate at this point, so you can't say I'm biased. I haven't decided who to vote for in the generals.

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turnip — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:47:04 GMT

Twelve years as a teacher of constitutional law. Wow. I didn't realize he did this this long. I think he should trumpet this more in the genreal election, particularly for the Republicans who think he is lacking in intellect or experience.

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Tired of being tired of this — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:47:37 GMT

Yeah Patty SD, CA, lets split hairs:

Clinton, you know, is a liar you know? Caught she responds by charging the other guy is lying too!

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BobW Mendon, NY — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:48:08 GMT

"So, it was correct for Clinton to point this out."

Pat, can you read?

""The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer." From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track."

Were the words too big for you?

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C.K. Steele Fort Lauderdale, FL — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:48:32 GMT

Pat from Huntington NY, you are indeed a troll. You just changed the entire crux of your argument. You are like the remaining 29% of the population that thinks Bush is doing a good job. You will now be forever added to the Scroll List. Go ahead and continue your childish rants if you wish to do so. You are a poor advocate for your candidate.

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See the danger in Obama! — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:49:27 GMT

Why does Obama want to leave Congress if he's an expert of constitutional law?

He should be where the laws are made, in the Legislative Branch, or where the laws are clarified, in the Judicial Branch. Definitely not in branch that enforces the laws. That's just counter-intuitive if not stupid. Haven't we had enough of lawyers running the military?

Why would someone SO COMMITTED TO CHANGE want to leave the office that allows him to be involved in making laws for the office that CAN'T MAKE ANY, and isn't even responsible for verifying laws with the constitution?

Could it be the bigger pay check? Could it be the recognition? Could it be the chapter in future history books that says, "First Black President?" Yes. Yes. It could. Don't be fooled.

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RobK, Seattle, Wash. — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:50:03 GMT

I don't think HIllary supporters know HOW to read; or at least, they only read what that supports their lies.

HILLARY LIED, OBAMA TELLS THE TRUTH!

Accept it!

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Tired of being tired of this — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:50:06 GMT

"...the Law School never gave him the title of professor and therefore, whether he was regarded as one is irrelevant...

So, it was correct for Clinton to point this out."

-Pat Huntington NY

So is that really what you got from that piece?

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End Game — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:50:12 GMT

Has it come to this?

This is pathetic.

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Ms. Peak — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:50:43 GMT

Pat -

Hillary has consistly lied about her foreign policy experience - Ireland & now Bosnia

All that leaves is a speech in Beijing.....how ironic that her foreign policy now boils down to a speech, just a speech.

Karma, ain't it a bitch.

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M Wells San Diego — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:50:50 GMT

While the entire issue seems totally absurd to begin with, it might be well to point out that both Clintons also were law-school lecturers and/or professors at one time and that Sen Joseph Biden continues to occupy a similar position in Delaware and has for many years.
While I do not denigrate Sen Obama's experience in this area, I do not find it particularly unusual nor particularly relevant to the Presidency, since one assumes that all three major candidates are familiar with the Constitution.

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DJ in TX — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:50:53 GMT

Pat, what do you mean "all he did was Lecture"?? hmmm, his title was "Senior Lecturer", wasn't that what he was supposed to do? I agree with Pete, unless I've missed it, I've never heard Senator Clinton mention education. At least Senator Obama has "taught" our young people. Remember, they are our future.

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Pete - Albany, NY — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:50:59 GMT

"Barack Obama has not built a CAMPAIGN PLATFORM on his "experience" of being a Professor. Hillary Clinton has built a CAMPAIGN PLATFORM on her FOREIGN POLICY "experience." There is a BIG DIFFERENCE."

Claire (Sent Friday, March 28, 2008 10:32 AM)

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Like we keep asking, just what was Hillary's foreign policy "experience"?

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Etin Mot, Orlando, FL — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:52:12 GMT

For crying out loud, it clearly states "He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track."

So, "all he did was lecture, i.e., give pretty speeches on the law, etc." is a bit of a "mis-statement." He taught Constitutional Law courses at one of the United States of America's best law schools (According to U.S. News and World Reports, the seventh best in the country!).

Geez, how could being an expert on Constitutional Law help a U.S. President?

It's apparent Bush never even read the Constitution. How refreshing it will be to have a scholar of the Constitution as our President!

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Frank, PA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:53:26 GMT

Obama embellished his credentials!
Well of course the law school "considers" Obama a PROFESSOR - they're not going to call him a "teacher" in a law school!
But Obama clearly EMBELLISHED!!

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Deb, Dallas, TX — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:55:57 GMT

Such hair splitting is definitely a sign of desparation. Frankly, the point I take from this is that Obama may be the first president in a long time that can take the oath to 'protect and defend the constitution' and actually know what that means!

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Allen Hussein — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:58:24 GMT

Here goes the Clintons again, after getting caught in their lie on Bosnia try to smear Obama on this issue. What do you expect from the folks that don't know what the meaining of "is" is.

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Eric — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:58:40 GMT

First it was "I was not aware of these statements" and now it is "I would have left the church if he did not retire". Talk about saying anything in order to get elected!

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Mary, Seattle — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:00:32 GMT

Hillary failed her first bar exam.

Obama was President of the Harvard Law Review, past his bar exam, graduated with high honors AND was a popular Constitutional law professor for many years.

After 8 years of Bush, the US needs a smart president.

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Colleen, NY — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:01:19 GMT

As the wife of a University Lecturer not even a "Senior" one) I can assure you that they teach the same courses, and the same students as tenured Professors. A Senior Lecturer is a lauded position that is reserved for very high-level professionals who are too busy to take a full-time Professorship which has all sorts of administrative and committee duties.
Clearly Obama was not lying or even exagerating - he never called himself a Full Professor.

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KYObserver — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:02:27 GMT

For those of you who obviously do not understand the nuances of academia, calling yourself a professor is legit even if you are an adjunct and serve as a junior lecturer or senior lecturer. I don't see any big deal with any of Obama's terminology about his role at the Univ. of Chicago Law School. FYI, I'm an adjunct research professor and I also teach part-time, research most of the time. These titles are sometimes arbitrary and many times dependent on whether or not you bring external research funding into the university. Money and financial compensation usually provide the bottom line definition or designation of a position title and that can also vary among universities/colleges/professional schools. I vote that the Clintons STOP nit-picking. This is not an issue...but I suppose they think they can make it one with an uninformed public that may distrust all those professorial "elites".

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Obama supporter, AZ — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:03:43 GMT

And so what is wrong with being the first black president and making more money? I would rather have someone in office who knows about government, and how it works, rather than a complete buffoon, like the one we currently have. Incidentally, GWB certainly has reached the highest level of incompetency, demonstating the "Peter Priciple" to perfection.

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John Mehan, San Francisco, CA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:04:06 GMT

So glad that's settled.

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sozzi — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:04:13 GMT

During my time in college any individual who taught law for a full time was consifered a professor.PERIOD.

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Sara, Wisconsin — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:07:47 GMT

There seems to be little comprehension of what the University of Chicago has just said.
In plain English, they regarded Sen. Obama as a professor - the only reason the title was not bestowed was that he still had a job as community organizer, per Sen. Obama's wish.
If the University of Chicago offers a person a full-time, tenure track position as law professor - that is a full statement of that individual's qualifications.
For the clinton's to try to use this as resume inflation is totally incorrect - they are counting on those persons who are unfamiliar with academic titles to misinterpret what they say. Bravo for all the dummies who haven't yet understood that Hillary LIED again on this one.
12 years of teaching our Constitution to law students is certainly more than relevant to leading the United States - if any of you happen to have a copy, check out the oath of office - it requires the incoming President to declare to uphold said Constitution.

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dt,IL — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:11:38 GMT

This is what the Clinton campaign now comes up with. Is he a Senior Lector or not. It seems the U of C confirms he is/was. Hill's husband should be the expert of what the word "is"-is so ask him. Please, stop insulting the intelligence of the voters. Can she now see why her negitive rating keeps going up?

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Obama Supporter, NY — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:12:58 GMT

A politician saying anything to get elected? You mean like Hillary lying about landing in sniper fire in Bosnia?
You mean like Hillary lying about just how involved she was in the peace process in Northern Ireland?Is that what you are talking about Eric?
Obama '08

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Peggy Greensboro — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:13:17 GMT

Come on folks, it's all over cept the shoutin'. You know it, I know it, the American people know it. In some ways I can sympathise. It's hard to give up something everyone was telling you for years was yours. But it didn't turn out that way. Preserve some dignity Senator Clinton

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JSmith — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:14:13 GMT

Hillar fans CANNOT you read this: OBAMA WAS INVITED SEVERAL TIMES BY UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO TO JOIN FACULTY AS FULL TIME TENURE TRACK PROFESSOR , OBAMA DECLINED.

what in it can you pinheads not understand?

"" Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.""

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PROUD to be a 2nd Grade teacher — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:14:36 GMT

Pat,

Obviously you cannot read, and from reading many of your post, you don't know how to spell or write simple sentences. Lecturing, teaching, and Professors are all things that must be to intellectual for you to understand. I am a teacher, and I am HIGHLY OFFENDED that you would say teaching is just pretty words. This shows a complete lack of RESPECT and INTELLIGENCE.

Furthermore, instead of whining like a child over something that you obviously do not understand, why don't you go ask YOUR candidate why she LIED to your face about her little trip to Bosnia. Of course you probably wouldn't understand that either.

p.s. My second graders have a better command of written language than you. How pathetic.

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Kensingtonbill — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:16:20 GMT

This is soooooo stupid. As former editor of the Harvard Law Review (and as the first black editor) Obama could have had a tenure-track faculty position at any law school in the United States. He chose equivalent but non-tenure track senior lecturer status to pursue separate legal and political careers. Unbelievably petty by the Clinton campaign.

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Romona — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:19:30 GMT

Obama is not running on his "experience" as a law professor. He is not creating stories about that experience nor is he creating television ads with him in front of the classrroom.

Hillary is running on her foreign policy "experience" which now consists of a bunch of fairytales and false television advertisements.

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Mary, Ohio — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:22:37 GMT

Not even close to being comprable to "Sniperfire-GATE"

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Joe — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:23:30 GMT

And that settles that question...any other petty attacks from the Clinton camp?

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Roger B — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:24:09 GMT

A Lecturer is considered a PROFESSOR. Not sure what the story is here, other than Hillary's Exaggeration again about the truth. The story is he was a Lecturer and Professor. So one in the same, he did not lie, he did not exaggerate he spoke the truth.. Just another game of semantics being played by the Clinton Campaign.

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Linda. Boston, MA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:28:33 GMT

"Twelve years as a teacher of constitutional law. Wow. I didn't realize he did this this long."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Exactly, which is why all those accusations about him being anti-American are so completely ridiculous. Yeah, he hates America SOOO much that he CHOSE to teach the CONSTITUTION for 12 years.

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Candi Yuba City Ca — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:30:21 GMT

Just another Clintonian msitatement. I mean come on folks this is getting insane. How important was it and why does the media waste time and energy looking into it. I mean get a little backbone and don't be diverted by the Clinton Gang.

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Rick, NC — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:35:14 GMT

So my question still is...has obama ever worked a real job in the real world or has he always been a ward of the gooberment or the education mill?

You know neither he nor his wife have invested a penny in any kind of retiremeent accounts so you have to wonder how they plan on funding their retirements? I'm guessing they both think the taxpayers owe them a retirement...sounds like entitlement to me

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JZ, New Haven, Ct — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:37:04 GMT

I was a TA during grad school and my students called me professor. I also referred to every adjunct who taught me as "professor." It's both a generic term and a title. To go after Obama on this is ridiculous. If you teach a class in college, you're a professor.

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JBanks, Montgomery, AL — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:44:24 GMT

I invite Pat from NY and anyone else to take a constitutional law class for semester and then come back and say whoever ran the class was just a "lecturer". As a law school grad, trust me, it's not "just words". The university's statement is simple and logical. Back to real issues please.

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Hank Husssein — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:45:00 GMT

To Frank at PA:

Please...are you really going to capitalize "Embellished" as if you're raising a substantive issue?

For those who want to talk about substantive issues. Here's a man who taught at one of the nation's top law schools on constitutional law (12 years), was invited to join the law school permanently multiple times.

This is a plus for any candidate (regardless of who you support). Straight talk please.

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jp,michigan — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:46:06 GMT

Obama built his platform on what experience , he real has none. 7 years in the Illinois Legislation and 2002, was the only year he actually had any bills passed and that was because Emril Jones became Senate majority and gave high priority bills to him, in order to build him up for his Senate run. His time in the US senate was limited. Besides sitting in Rev. Wright's church and taking donations from Rezko what has he really done. Every one helps Obama to get were he is today, the media is the best supporter.

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Just Wondering — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:46:33 GMT

Do any of the reporters on the Clinton conference calls ever put the phone on mute and start laughing amongst themselves?

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Tim, Peoria, IL — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:48:46 GMT

Addressed To: "See the blank in Obama"

Maybe Obama is runnig for President so that bipartisan legislation might actually get passed instead being vetoed (a major CHANGE). I believe Obama has stated once or twice he intends to CHANGE the way Washington works.

Note the VETO Happy Bush admin's record breaking use of the "NO" stamp!

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Lee Holmes — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:49:20 GMT

The Clintons would have gotton more propaganda mileage out of the fact that another of U Chicagos professors is one William Ayers. Obama friend and former terrorist.

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jp,michigan — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:49:20 GMT

If you earmark millions to the University of Chicago, I guess you earned a title!

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James — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:49:38 GMT

Good job to UC. My status according to my institution is not "Professor" but my students don't call me "Full-Time, Non-Tenure Track, Visting Assistant Professor XXXX" Good grief Hillary!

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Hank Husssein — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:51:36 GMT

BTW:

I'm an academic, and I should clarify something.

The Univ. of Chicago is pointing out a few things.

1. Obama was not an adjunct lecturer, namely someone you hire like you would hire short term contract work. Unfortunately, adjunct lecturers are looked down upon by full-time faculty.

2. U. Chicago clearly wanted him permanently on the faculty (getting multiple tenure-track offers from one of the top law schools is quite astounding).

3. They state clearly that they have outstanding faculty who have full time jobs doing public service, etc. Senior Lecturer is their compromise position to be able to retain oustanding scholars.

I think this is clearly a plus for his candidacy. Clear headed people supporting other candidates should acknowledge this and move on.

I didn't realize, but am even more impressed, that he was invited to join the faculty multiple times. From the academic world's standpoint, that is a significant sign of his intellectual mettle on a very important issue to all of us (i.e. constitutional law).

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Bonnie S. — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:53:47 GMT

It's about time this gets out! Come on, who attacks someone's LEVEL of professorship? Oh yeah, someone who doesn't have any other grounds for opposition...
Embellishment my ass. And if you must call it that, there's even a HUGE difference between "embellishment" and outright fabrication--look out for that sniper fire!--which in turn, is nothing like "misspeaking." Geez.

Professor vs. Senior Lecturer

not voting for Clinton in PA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:55:05 GMT

So the point of this whole thing is that the Clintons lie about the lies they tell? Next. . .

Professor vs. Senior Lecturer

Sophie Brown — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:55:27 GMT

Thank you, thank you, University of Chicago. I have seen the haters site this fact over and over again as evidence of Obama's lack of truthfulness, and it is BS.

I was an "adjunct professor" at a state law school, in a position very much like Obama's -- I taught the course in the evening while working full time. Bear in mind that law school's like these types of instructors, because law school is something like a trade school, and being a practicioner as well as a teacher is a good thing. Those who have compared law school teaching arrangements to traditional college programs -- where if you're not tenure track you are a third-class citizen -- do not know what they are talking about.

I am very glad University of Chicago cleared this up.

Professor vs. Senior Lecturer

JSmith — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:56:17 GMT

Think about it isnt this awesome, the Genius of Obama:

Obama graduated from America's No ONE (yes number one) law school : Harvared law School with honors.

And is a Professor (and invited many times to be a full time tenure track professor) by America's number FOUR law school: University of Chicago. He taugh Constitutional Law there for 12 years!.

What more do you want in the resume for the job of the president of USA

Professor vs. Senior Lecturer

Perry Dane — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:02:08 GMT

This is a fairly typical case of linguistic ambiguity, and nothing more. "Professor" can be a generic term. It can also be a specific title. Think about it, at least conceptually, as the difference between a small-p "professor" and a capital-P "Professor." As the University of Chicago Law School has made clear, Obama was a "professor" though perhaps not a "Professor." His title as a professor was Senior Lecturer. End of story.

Professor vs. Senior Lecturer

Robyn, Illinois — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:02:54 GMT

Thanks Hillary for pointing this out. The U of C has given a concise statement that he was considered a senior lecturer and professor--Also, he WAS offered a tenured track position. Case closed. No big.

NOW...HILLARY, WHERE ARE THOSE TAX RETURNS & PRESIDENTIAL PAPERS???

Professor vs. Senior Lecturer

Obama Supporter, NY — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:06:01 GMT

For Rick in NC - I hope you know that you just insulted and denigrated just about every one who has ever taught any class of any kind-- from Pre-K to Post Graduate.

Teaching is not working in the "real world"? What could be more real than that -- teaching our children.

Seems to me that someone who has this type of experience -- can bring a lot of understanding on how to deal with a lot of different issues. Seems like a big plus!!

Obama '08

Professor vs. Senior Lecturer

Kim--PA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:06:27 GMT

Correct and to the point. I am an "adjunct professor" and at this point would not want to be a full-time, non or tenured track professor/faculty becasue I have a career outside of teaching. That's my main job. However, I enjoy teaching at my convenience. Where's the spin, Hillary?! There is nothing to this...Once again, Obama is correct.