Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

BA, CC, TX — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:35:03 GMT

Chelsea added, "THAT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!"

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

ENOUGH OF THE CLINTONS 'SLASH & BURN' — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:36:27 GMT

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Clintons' "Kamkazee Strategy" --- DESTROY THE PARTY, AS LONG AS THE CLINTONS WIN.

THEY MAY SUCCEED IN DESTROYING THE PARTY, OBTAINING THE NOMINATION --- BUT HILLARY WILL NOT BE ELCETED PRESIDENT.

WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE CLINTONS 'SLASH & BURN' TACTICS.
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Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Pam, NC — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:37:40 GMT

Clinton = Economy

Hillary or NOBODY in 08!

No Mccain, No Obama, (Maybe Gore write-in)

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Johnson, New Orleans, LA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:38:17 GMT

It was Hillary Clinton who was saying that we would have this thing wrapped up by February 5th. What happened to listening to the american public then? Letting all the other states vote?

Obama is playing by the rules that the DNC established before the primary season. That included not including Florida and Michigan. It wasn't him making up the rules, those were the rules that were given to him. You can't just change up the rules when you are 3/4 of the way through the race. The DNC should have known that if you say you are not going to seat the delegates of Michigan and Florida, then those people would not get a vote. Its not like they failed to realize that idea when they 1st started the primary season.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Johnny Bananas, Philadelphia, PA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:38:57 GMT

Doesn't anyone remember when John Kerry became the "presumptive nominee" in 2004 before Super Tuesday, nobody cried foul about voters being disenfranchised in the remaining contests? Howard Dean even won Vermont after Kerry sealed the deal.

If Clinton "suspended" her campaign now, it wouldn't disenfranchise anyone. Her supporters would still be able to vote for her and probably even deliver a quite a few more states, delegates, and popular votes to her tally. It would, however, prevent further intra-party attacks against the presumptive nominee Obama.

The simple fact is that Clinton has no plausible mathematical chance to secure the nomination without the superdelegates overturning the projected full results of the every primary and caucus contest. Doing so truly would disenfranchise millions of voters, at least 28% of whom would vote against the illegitemate nominee Clinton.

If Hillary Clinton truly has the interests of the Democratic party in mind, she would suspend her campaign immediately, let the remaining contests unfold, and allow the process to work. That way, whoever should become the Democratic nominee would be in the strongest possible position to win in November, as opposed to having far less of a chance.

Obama '08

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

John, Urbana, IL — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:40:36 GMT

I think its time for the news agencies to relate the fact that Hillary has NEVER been in the lead of the pledged delegates. So much for the comeback kid.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

AMG --- Richmond, CA — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:42:41 GMT

He means, that's a bunch of Bill, Bill and Bull being equal and interchangeable, IMHO... I don't know about the rest of you, but sleazy Bill Clinton of the big mouth and the slippy zipper is the main reason I want Hillary to concede sooner rather than later.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Bee — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:42:52 GMT

The Clintons must be living in a lala land. Everything is got to be about them, what a selfish human being.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

kathie, newburyport, ma — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:43:07 GMT

I'm waiting for the Clinton's to insist that they be given the popular vote totals for Edwards and Richardson et al, as they will assure the country that if those candidates were not on the ballot, the votes would have gone to Hillary. They will stop at nothing......

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Margaret, Columbus, Ohio — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:43:20 GMT

He is absolutely right. Everyone must have their say. The pundits and politicians screaming for Hillary to get out are being disingenuous saying the party is ripping apart. Baloney. What Bill and Hillary know and what the rest of us need to remember is that the Democratic party is not a bunch of weenies the Republicans think we are, who will fall apart at the slightest provocation. We are strong, and shame on those Dems who are using scare tactics for their own agendas to convince us otherwise. And I'll start and end with Bill Richardson who has almost certainly been given the Sec. of State guarantee by Obama.

Oh, and good job, Chuck Todd for acknowledging that Hillary should stay in, even if your reasons are for Obama's advantage.

50 States and our Territories...anything less is undemocratic.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Bob, Chicago — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:45:20 GMT

What month did he earn enough delegates to get impeached? Why do the Clintons think rules are for everyone else and not for them?

Bob, Chicago

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Ian — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:47:19 GMT

I've had second thoughts on letting Billary extend this right into the convention. By then, Obama will still be the nominee and nothing McCain can say will be any worse than what Billary has thrown. Billary's negatives will be so high that they'll have no choice but to crawl back under whatever rock they call home. AND if there is any justice, the power of the corrupt pinheads that seem to have way too much control over the party will have been diminished.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Sunshine, Peoria Il — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:47:44 GMT

As far as I know" & "he wouldn't be my pastor" are the childish & negative inuendos American voters are getting tired of.Go back to NYC HRC, you're days are numbered.Her negative sarcasm would have been more useful during Bill's embarassing affairs or even better MCBush's nonsense about the economy.Instead she applies those against the probable democratic nominee for the Republican attack machine to use.You weren't prepared for caucuses, you've had to make a loan to the campaign, you're praising John McCain,& padded your resume.So to prevent any further embarassment to your campaign, & the democratic party as a whole,I'm sending a message to HRC to concede, since the superdelegate's won't!

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Raymonty,Albany,N.Y. — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:47:56 GMT

I think that Hillary shot herself with her own bullet. I pray that Obama does not become another Dr.King. McCain will win the war even if it take 50,000 American lives.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Nobama — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:47:58 GMT

I was thrilled today--my grandson called me from Iraq---have been reading of what is going on and the family has been sick at heart.After some tearful conversation he asked what I was doing--I told him I was writing a letter to the DNC explaining why I would not be sending money and renewing my membership,because of this crooked election and howObama was being shoved down our throats.He said and I quote"why is that guy even running for president he should not even be there"News even travels to Iraq----course he is just one of thousands fighting fo this country and has no say so.He said if Obama was given the primary he would vote for Mccain.He,at least has some experience where Obama has none.I am sure he will get to vote if Obama can keep it away from the military.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

40 Years in the DemNPL, Bismarck — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:48:57 GMT

Popular vote means nothing. But if you're going to start counting them ... count Texas - where Obama carried the caucus by 120,000 votes. Hey Chuck, comment on that sometime - the Texas party didn't finish the count, but was confident that the ratio of 56% to 44% would hold for the million caucus-goers.

It is time for Obama supporters to embrace Clinton supporters, whether they want us to or not. This race is over and it's time to prepare to win the presidency and big margins in the House and Senate.

Hillary will make an excellent Majority Leader.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Wendy Denver — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:49:09 GMT

And if HRC had won 11 states in a row, she would have demanded Obama quit the race.
AFTER Super Tuesday, she was calling leaders in the Democratic party telling them to pressure Obama to drop out.
If Obama had LIED about Foreign Policy Experience and being under gun fire in Bosnia, NAFTA, Ireland and Macedonia, we would not even be having these conversations.
At least our campaign is staying the course and showing we will win with more states, more delagates and ahead in the popular vote.
Obama for Women '08 - it's a truth thing.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

CHRISTIAN — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:50:27 GMT

!!!! HYPOCRISY !!!!

Hillary Rodham Clinton's Texas campaign is challenging the seating of delegates from numerous precincts for Saturday’s Democratic county conventions, particularly in Barack Obama's strongholds.

State Senate District 23, which includes much of southern Dallas County, was a central target of the Clinton campaign.

Just before Wednesday’s deadline to file complaints before the county convention credentials committee, Clinton campaign officials delivered a large packet of challenges.

"There are numerous challenges," said Dallas County District Clerk Gary Fitzsimmons, who is temporary chairman of the District 23 credentials committee. The district went solidly for Mr. Obama in the primary, and there’s a question over whether Mrs. Clinton will reach the 15 percent threshold needed to receive delegates.

The committee meets Thursday night to deal with minor challenges. The rest will be handled on Saturday, the day of the county conventions.

On a conference call Wednesday, Clinton campaign officials said they would not try to influence the county conventions with mass challenges before the credentials committee [...]

"Apparently the promise that the Clinton campaign made less than 24 hours ago not to challenge the seating of delegates at Saturday's district conventions was just another made-up story," [Obama spokesperson Josh] Earnest said. "The Clinton campaign's politically-motivated outrage over disenfranchising voters apparently doesn't extend to the 1.1 million Texans who participated in the precinct conventions earlier this month."

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Marihelen, TX — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:50:34 GMT

Two points.

First off, on disenfranchisement, both sides seem fine with disenfranchising voters when it suits them. Having superdelegates override the pledged delegates and popular vote is pretty much the same thing as denying the vote to the people of Florida and Michigan, except on a much larger scale. And on that note, to me it seems it was actually the superdelegates of those two states (ie, the party big-wigs who pushed for the new primary schedule violating DNC rules) who actually ended up disenfranchising the people of their own states. (Just my own opinion on that...)

On the issue of caucuses, I would like to know how Bill Clinton fared in primaries vs caucuses in 92 and if he voiced the same opinion back then. I have absolutely no idea on that, but I would be very surprised if he wasn't doing quite well in caucuses as an insurgent, non-establishment candidate himself.

I also read Chuck Todd's article about it not being time for Clinton to get out and I do agree, with one caveat. If she is campaigning for why she should win (ie, her positive reasons for being a better candidate, with better ideas, better skills, etc), I'm happy to see this continue. That's the stuff that makes Dems proud. It's only when the campaigning becomes self-destructive to Dems, as evidenced by the mud-slinging from both sides, that I have a problem with this continuing. Yes, I am now for Obama (he wasn't my first choice), but I want to win in November more. When the campaigns are so dirty that it diminishes our chances and divides the party, then I want it to stop. Seems like that choice is up to the two campaigns and if they can keep it clean, I think the supers will keep sitting out through at least North Carolina and Indiana.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

jp,michigan — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:51:10 GMT

The DNC has disfranchised the voters of Michigan and Florida, now they want to stop the rest of the states their voters rights. They are so desperate to get Obama the nomination, and they will do it at any cost. WAKE UP AMERICA! If we allow the DNC and supporters of Obama take away our right to vote for the candidate of our choice, we should get rid of the DNC. The Democratic party does not stand for Democracy! Hillary, if the DNC takes this away from you , change and be an Independent candidate! Many will vote for you!

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

C.K. Steele Fort Lauderdale, FL — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:52:39 GMT

The longer this drags out the more the Clintons start to look like caricatures. I don't even think that they believe the spin that is coming out of their mouths. Poor Chelsea had to cover for her mother's "sniper-fire" lie. Both Hillary and Bill know that they can't win the rest of the contests by a 65-35 margin without losing any. That's impossible. Bubba said "Saddle Up" the other day...it's about time that he 'Sat Down'.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Enrique, Chicago — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:53:11 GMT

Though I am sick and tired of the Clintons constant mudslinging and negativity, I do not believe that Democratic leaders should be asking her to drop out. It just doesn't sit well with me.

Let's see what happens in PA, NC, and IN. If Barack Obama can maintain or widen his delegate lead, then Hillary should consider doing what's best for the party and the country.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Baileigh — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:53:53 GMT

"Notably, Clinton described the remaining primaries as contests for the popular vote (not for delegates.) "Now we’re going to have to go all the way through to the end to see who has the most popular votes," he said. "And that’s good."
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That's funny. After she won in New Hampshire, the Clinton campaign declared, "It's all about the delegates." I am just so sick of their ever-changing spin and double-speak.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

TKD — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:54:08 GMT

Will the ex-president ever stop lying and spinning? I guess not. The situation in 1992 was completely different -- Clinton was the uncontradicted frontrunner after the first few primaries, and even though he did not clinch the majority of delegates until the end of the primaries, he was on a trajectory to do so, and everyone knew he would be the nominee, long before he actually reached that delegate count. The situation in 2008 is completely different. Hillary cannot win a majority of delegates under any conceivable scenario. It's over. Bill Clinton is lying -- whether just to us, or to himself as well, only he knows.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Jeff — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:56:09 GMT

I'm an Obama supporter, and I have no problem with the Clinton's staying in the race except for the fact that the only way they can win is playing there dirty politics, and as a result of that I will not vote for Hillary. Yes politics is a dirty business and bring on the republicains. But shooting the soldiers on your side of the line, so at the end of the battle you get the medal is cowardily. I respected Clinton before she went negative!!!
And as far as electability, get real, Clintons are the one's turning off voters with there negativity, and who has Hillary brought into this, it seems her base is mostily life long Dems, if Obama wasn't in this race do you think these younger people, and Independents would be involved, I don't. And as far as Repubs voting I think its great that some Repubs would vote for Obama, unlike the ones that are voting for Hillary just to cause trouble.
So yes I think Hillary should get out, not because I'm worried she will catch up but because the only way she can win is to bring Obama down, and that will cause all the independent to go to McCain, and all the new young voters to stay home, giving the election to McCain.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Vote McCain play the game. — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:56:42 GMT

Well McCain has plenty of experience so I will vote for him not Obama.
McCain is not as far right and we need a good moderate, not the far, far left LIBERAL Obama!
Your taxes will soar under Obama , he is in the entitlement business.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Elizabeth — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:58:21 GMT

50 States and our Territories...anything less is undemocratic. --------------- Well, that's 50 states except the states that "don't count" (the ones with caucuses, that traditionally vote red, that have lots of blacks, etc., etc.). ----------- What I just DON'T GET is how she can simultaneously argue (1) that every state should get a chance to elect its own delegates, determine who is the nominee and (2) that "pledged" delegates aren't really pledged and can vote for who they think is best. Is that at all logical? Well, what am I thinking -- logic doesn't matter, only winning does. --- If Hillary wasn't doing the scorched earth bit, I'd be the first one in line arguing for her to stay in (every right to, lot of support, more interesting). But she's not being just a competitor, she's being a bully and hurting the party's chances in the fall. Obama would have either behaved himself or gotten out before now if things were reversed.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Dan, Madison, WI — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:58:51 GMT

Bill, this isn't the 90's, people lookup facts in minutes.

Bill, why aren't you telling everyone that in 1992 the race started in February and was over in April?

It's true you didn't cross the official # needed until June, but everyone considered the race over in early April.

After 27 states voted in primaries and caucuses, the race was considered over.

BTW, Bill remember you helped get the primary and caucus system in Texas. Back in 1992 you thought it was great, now you're saying caucuses are bad?

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Bob, Chicago — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:58:57 GMT

Nobama....Thank your grandson for fighting for our country, you must be proud. I know all Americans are proud of his efforts. Now Grandma remember who sent him there and why.

Bob, Chicago

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

an Obama supporter — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:59:53 GMT

Nobama,

I am glad your grandson is safe. Hopefully either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama will win and the travisty that is the war in Iraq will and he and the other brave men and women can come home.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

donna, pgh., pa. — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:01:21 GMT

A Roads Scholar invoking the language of the gutter. They know they can't win engaging Senator Obama in a civil discoarse, so they'd rather appeal to the baser regions of people's nature. Well Bill, we won't go there with you. From the high road we can see forever. The future is out-there, and that is where we're headed. You are the past. Get over it.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

adam/nyc — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:01:38 GMT

To Hillary supporters from an Obama supporter;

Let's be friends.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9aT3scqk2V8

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Mike Smith — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:03:49 GMT

WOW- I THINK I FOUND THE OBAMA CHATROOM!!!

GEAUX HILLARY!!

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

bill Jo Charlotte, NC — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:04:00 GMT

"Bunch of bull"

So's lying about sniper fire in Bosnia.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Mike Smith — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:05:08 GMT

WHY WAS CHRIS MATTHEWS BLEEPED LAST NIGHT ON HARD BALL? HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HILLARY!!!! COME ON MSNBC>>>SHOW US THE GOODS>>>>>

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

kentro san diego — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:05:12 GMT

It's CLEAR what Hilary is doing. She is NOT stupid. She KNOWS she has not a snowball's chance in hell to get the nomination. But if she destroys Obama's chance to win the presidency, then she can run again in 2012. And that will probably be the case. So... we will be stuck with this war in Iraq for 4 more years. But what the heck, she doesn't care, as long as she gets another shot in 4 years. It is the extreme of vanity and self-glory, but that's her. When she is a very old lady we will listen to her stories, about the time she was shot down behind enemy lines, surounded by snipers...

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Jeff — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:06:29 GMT

One more thing, we will never know the popular vote will we? Didn't at least some of the caucus states not record the popular vote? Oh thats right Caucuses don't count, its ok to disenfranchise them.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Mary Martin — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:08:37 GMT

It is all about the Clintons the heck with other people.If the rules can be broken for them why not.Both Michigan and Flordia were told that they votes wouldn't count so they don't count.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Chris, NH — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:09:00 GMT

As it has been said many times the Clintons are political animals. They understand the game and play it masterfully. Don't think for a minute that thay can't read the writing on the wall. If an everyday political junkie, as many of us are on this blog, can see it then surely Bill, Hill etc. can see it. Their current strategy has some very distinct and legitamate goals.

1) Even when they DO drop out they will simply "Suspend" their campaign. Just pragmatism, a "Just in Case" Obama were to implode. Fair enough. Just ask Huckabee about this theory.

2) "What's in it for them" theme. Just like many say about the SD's the Clintons are no different. What can they get for dropping out at the right time(VP slot, Majority leader, High profile position w/ Heath Care Reform, ambassadorship for Bill etc.)

3) Make all possible(although erroneous)attacks on Obama OLD news (Wright issue, Muslim issue "As far as I know", Patriotism) Better now than in October when people don't have time to see through the BS. Also, as a Dem., she can back off if things are too damaging where the Repubs are relentless. Also it shows Repubs that certain lines of attack will blow up in their faces, thus getting many things out of the way.

4) "No such thing as bad publicity" theme. The news organizations are doing most of the advertising and getting Democratic Messages out therre for them for free. Yes, the Hillary campaign has faught dirty, but that will subside now that it has had the desired effect, see reason 3 above. Another debate or two(2 hour, FREE, infomercials) will give Obama a little more practice for his debates with McCain, He's already come a long way.

5) DOWN TICKET!! This one is huge and can't be overstated. Hill/Bill know Barack opens up some previously unattainable Senate/House seats. Think Kansas(Hagels seat), Colorado, New Mexico. See reason 4 for how they are helping.

These Polls that show 20% or whatever will vote for McCain if a voters desired Candidate is NOT the Nominee show how this strategy WILL(yes, WILL) work. Clinton's supporters are Hard Core Supporters (As are Obama's) when the right time comes she will endorse Barack and plead w/ her supporters to support him and use that opportunity to trash the effects that McCain will have on this country(the war, Supreme Court Justices especially given the opportunity of a Dem. Pres. and Dem. Senate Majority) This will ring true with most.

I may be wrong, but this Cynic, has been shown the way of hope. I know I'm not the only one.

Good luck to the Dem's!! The country and the world need their leadership.

Best to all,
chris

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Democrat 08 — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:11:23 GMT

Nobama,

That is interesting. I work for the military, (AFMC) and all I hear is that they want a Democrat in office, civilians and military. When I talk to the returning military people, they want a change. While they won't openly admit this war sucks, they would like a change in direction, and they know that is not coming from McCain.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

A.Brocco,Albuquerque,NM — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:11:30 GMT

McCain had better hope this thing does not get settled for a long time, because, as soon as he has to debate Obama, the sooner he is going to explode. He has no debating skills, his facts are jumbled in his brain and unless he has a coach (Lieberman) standing next to him to correct his "senior moments" he is going to come out of debates looking awfully ignorant. He already has and there was NO presssure on him to make sure everything that his brain was processing came out semi-intelligently.

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

kathe oakland, calif — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:13:17 GMT

And this is our former President of the United States of America - Bill, you are a disgrace to former and future Presidents, your real "good old boy" tone is rearing up more and more and more P E W!!!!!

OBama GO

Bill: End race? 'Bunch of bull'

Feisty Redhead IL — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:13:26 GMT

Hillary or NOBODY in 08!

No Mccain, No Obama, (Maybe Gore write-in)
Pam, NC (Sent Friday, March 28, 2008 4:37 PM)
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Okay we get your point... now isn't it time for you to take your nap and leave the adults alone???

Woman for Obama 08!