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Chuck, NY — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:33:45 GMT

I was mad a little bit that Hillary would tell Bill Richardson that ‘He cannot win”. So I started playing mathematical games with the general election in November. I cannot be the only one who is looking at the Electoral College map. Here are the states I think will go for Obama- 355 total votes; CA, CO, CT, DE, DC, HI, ID, IL, IN, IO, KS, LA, MA, MI, MN, MO, NJ, NM, NY, ND, OH, OR, PA, SC, VA, VE, WA, WI, WV; 29 states.

I think Senator Clinton is wrong. I would call 355 Electoral College votes a near landslide. Even if you take out Michigan and Ohio, he still beats McCain handily 318-220. I have McCain beating you 306-232; and that is with CA & NY padding your number!

What exactly is your problem Hillary? Maybe I should call you at 3 AM, since that seems a good time to reach you.

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twocanpete — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:37:53 GMT

http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
If Obama wins the nomination he'll sweep Iowa. He spent so much time in the state that people actually felt like he lived there. McCain dusted the state off like it was full of a bunch of hayseeds. Obama still has legions of hardworking ground troops in Iowa and they will be out in force, count on it.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:38:12 GMT

I guess the vote that Barack Obama needs in PA is the white middle aged working class men. Well, if what I’m hearing up here is any indication, he’s not going to get it. I listen to a very popular local sports station program every morning and the two guys on the program are conservatives. I assume the bulk of their audience is working class men. These two hosts have absolutely no problem going through the conservative talking points of the day. It has become more of a political program than a sports program because of the upcoming election. They are determined to do everything in their power to ensure that a democrat is not elected in 2008.

If you could hear what they have to say about Barack Obama and Reverend Wright, it would make you literally want to cry. This is how conservatives are talking all across the country on the radio. These two hosts are probably in their 40’s and 50’s. It makes me so ashamed that Americans talk like this.

What is troubling to me is that their audience probably doesn’t realize that this is racism they are hearing - pure and simple.

I don’t see how Barack Obama can possibly get the working class vote if this is the crap they are hearing on the radio on an hourly basis. I have complained - to no avail. It’s all about ratings.

Which they have. In large numbers.

It's all too bad because as we all know, if Barack Obama carries PA - the primaries are over.

The voters will have spoken.

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Sick of corruption, sick of the Clintons — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:41:49 GMT

When Hillary says that Obama cannot win, she is obviously referring to the help that she will give McCain in order to ensure that Obama cannot win. Hillary does not care about the country or her party. She cares only about herself. She is planning to bring Obama down so she can have another chance in 2012.

Why does anyone support her? In all my years of following politics, I have found her to be one of the most deceitful, corrupt politicians ever.

Obama in 2008. Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.

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sarah, fountain, colorado — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:42:06 GMT

Being from Colorado I can tell you there is no way obama will win the GE here. That is the problem with the punditry (or do they really know this, we all know how they helped Gore lose and helped swiftboat Kerry) they don't get a real feel for what is really happening out here. During our caucus Latinos didn't show up (and they will vote in the general) and everyone I have spoken to will not vote for obama in the GE, they will vote for Hillary or McCain. The Rev. Wright has effected the viability of obama here in CO. we have 7 military installations in my county and once obama supporters, that I know, will not be voting for obama because of his 20 year inclusion of Wrights church and close relation. I have been told by several of them they will no longer support obama and will vote for Hillary or McCain. We still not have settled the delegate count here and won't until May, and so far the county conventions have given her a higher percent of the delegate count, I know I am a delegate. Obama won't win Colorado, so your numbers don't add up for obama.

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Ron, TX — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:46:46 GMT

Last time the Democrats relied on Ohio and Florida, we ended up with George Bush...

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Bruce St. Helens, OR — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:47:08 GMT

Oregon has a history of being a progressive state with a bit a radical right and left elements thrown in for fun, but Oregonians tend to vote for candidates who are likeable. Sen. Clinton is certainly qualified in every respect to be considered for the Presidency, but try as she might, she is not likeable. Oregon will be a strong Obama state.

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Lisa, New Britain, CT CT for Obama — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:47:15 GMT

The maps look close enough not to give a major electability argument to the Clintons.

However, I really do think Obama has the advantage in that with momentum, strong campaigning, lots of money, and turnout, he can really cut into his "leaning McCain" group.

YES WE CAN!

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sarah, fountain, colorado — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:47:55 GMT

Chuck are you serious? do you really believe obama can win the red states he won during the primaries? LOL maybe you are just to young. and no he won't pick up all the states Hillary won like FL, MI, OH, NV, AR, TN, etc. He has lost MO already according to the polls and I know he has lost Colorado and MCCain is whooping him in the southern red states he has won.

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JOAN CHICAGO IL — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:48:49 GMT

TIM R? JAJA JA JA, TIM IS ANOTHER OBAMA SUPPORTER, WHO HAS BEEN ATTACKING HILLARY IN EVERY OPPORTUNITY.
WHY SHOULD I BELIEF SOMEONE WHO SUCH BIAS AGAINST ONE OF THE CANDIDATE?

THE FACT IS THAT MOST OF MSNBC REPORTEERS ARE PUSHING FOR OBAMA ...

EVERYTHING THAT TIM AND CHRIS REPORT IS NEGATIVE TOWARD CLINTON, SO, LET MAKE THIS FACT STR8, MSNBC IS TRYING SO HARD TO SHOW OBAMA AS A STRONG CANDIDATE.

SHAME ON THEM... LETS BE HONEST AND FAIR IN OUR ASSESSMENT WHEN REPORTING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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Lisa, New Britain, CT CT for Obama — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:50:25 GMT

I think the Bill C. hangover is hurting Hillary everywhere except perhaps in Arkansas.

Oregon for Clinton, hmmm, I could see Oregon going to McCain if Obama is not the nominee. (Oregon is another state I've spent a fair about of time in, love the State).

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RENEA,PLYMOUTH,MI — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:50:57 GMT

I WOULD BRING UP ALL THE BIGOTED REMARKS MADE BY PASTORS ON RIGHT WHO ARE EMBRACED BY REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS!FALWELL,SWAGGART,PAT ROBINSON ....AMERICANS GO TO CHURCH FOR THE LEARNING OF THE LORD NOT TO LEARN ABOUT POLITICS.IF THE REPUBLICAN THREW EVERY PASTOR UNDER THE BUS WHO MADE OFFENSIVE POLITICAL REMARKS THERE WOULD NOT BE ANYONE LEFT STANDING!

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squintz, philly, pa — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:51:13 GMT

Pat, Boston, MA - why are you so afraid of conservative talk radio? The "working class" who listen to such trash are not likely Democratic voters, even for Clinton. Those same shows have soundly ruined her already, yes? They are also not likely to be enthusastic McCain supporters, as he has ALSO been torn a new one by these shows. My father loves Rush Limbaugh and has switched his party registration to vote for Obama, primary and general. There is no reason to be afraid of these people anymore, we don't need to fight on their terms. Even the people who LIKE these fools aren't actually buying it anymore. That's what I like about Obama, it's a break from these tired classifications. The map will get mixed up (oh, and MSNBC fellas, the map stuff is way premature and probably the most useless, navel-gazing story I've ever seen on television, ooo, look at the pretty colors - GET OVER YOURSELVES, NO ONE CARES THAT YOU CAN DO BASIC MATH, THE ELECTION IS MONTHS AWAY) and Obama is a terrific candidate who will win in opposition to a waning party, an uninspiring candidate, and a stale domestic and foreign policy. Why are we Democrats so afraid of success? Us newbies coming in don't much care for losing, thanks. Time for a solid win!

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The TRUTH Hurts — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:52:01 GMT

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Lisa, New Britain, CT CT for Obama — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:55:30 GMT

I suspect what is going on with Bill Richardson is that he gave the Clintons every benefit of the doubt early on in the campaign. Like a lot of people did. And what has happened since Super Tuesday is that Hillary has been losing a race that was hers to win. And Obama has come on strong through battles and is looking more Presidential every day. He has shown his learning curve and he has shown that experiences is not just measured in longevity but in overall life experience, judgment, and a willingness to hear diverse views and to learn.

Bill Richardson knows that it was Hillary's race to win or to lose and yet, look which way she went.

Also, let's look at temperment, shall we. NO matter what the conversations were, Bill Clinton, an ex-President looks not very Presidential here. Bill Richardson, not a President yet, looks way better here.

That is not in dispute.

Obama 08

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Confused — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:55:52 GMT

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squintz, philly, pa — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:56:48 GMT

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Beth, Orlando, Florida — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:57:19 GMT

Governor Richardson thought Senator Obama was unelectable until Obama offered him a job in his administration. Wait and see ...

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Steve, San Diego — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:57:57 GMT

Quite frankly, I think Russert's numbers are wrong. How can Russert, who has been incorrect a lot of the time during this campaign, disregard the ovewhelming voter turnout Obama and Clinton have received so far. Almost 2 to 1 over the GOP. Sure that will diminish, but not like he thinks.

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:00:05 GMT

Hillary will probably carry the northeast (lots of Liberals up there)

But when she gets that 3 a.m. phone call telling her she lost the nomination, will she beat Bill half to death with that phone? LOL

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Dante — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:00:05 GMT

The TRUTH Hurts (Sent Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:52 AM)

40% of Democrats in Michagan got into their cars, walked and caught buses on a cold day to vote UNCOMMITTED AGAINST Clinton, I think MSNBC calling it a toss-up for Clinton was being kind!!!

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Linda. Boston, MA — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:00:30 GMT

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NEWS!!! JIMMY CARTER will most likely endorse Obama!!!!
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http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=107611

"We are very interested in the primaries. Don’t forget that Obama won in my state of Georgia. My town which is home to 625 people is for Obama, my children and their spouses are pro- Obama. My grandchildren are also pro- Obama. As a Super Delegate, I would not disclose who I am rooting for but I leave you to make that guess..." -JIMMY CARTER

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Steve, San Diego — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:00:30 GMT

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BJ, CA — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:02:04 GMT

THE REAL FANTASY PHONE CALL...

It's 3AM. the phone rings....Thank You calling the White House. Please call back at regular business hours..We don't know when that will be..but keep trying..Thank You and Have A Nice Day......

Damnit Bill!! Where are you? I don't know how to change this G*D D#M! machine left over from the Bush's..those F&CKERS!!!!

FOR REAL PHONE CALLL

The phone rings it's anytime of day...

Hello this is Barack Obama...Okay..I'M ON IT !!!

Obama '08

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Steve B, NewYork, NY — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:02:15 GMT

I'm just laughing at the pro-Hillary comments here .
It's funny .. they have NOTHING ... I mean really .. they are running out of Any Good points ...
The only thing they have is Rev. Wright this and that.

Thats it ? REALLY ? ...

Do you mean to say that the only chance that The Clintons have is to push the perceived biggotry of Southern White men ?
REALLY !
SHAME SHAME .... AND FUNNY .. VERY FUNNY ...lol

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gmhussein, Jupiter, Fl — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:02:47 GMT

Sarah in Co:

So! Try looking at the bigger picture, and stop using biased and bigoted reasoning to guide you. If you let church going habits influence how you vote then you were only looking for an excuse not to vote for Obama. Stop all the talk about his pastor and again, Look at the big picture....if your heart and mind will let you.

Go Obama ,08

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Confused — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:04:03 GMT

The TRUTH Hurts: You must be on Senator Clinton's payroll. You are using the time honored strategy of the Clintons - Lie, Deny, then Deflect. Do you really think that Michigan voters think that Senator Clinton is championing their cause? She agreed that the state would lose it delegates, one of her top advisors was on the DNC committe that made the rule and so forth. Then when she found out that she really needed the votes (she didn't care before because she knew that the election would be over by Super Tuesday) then she suddenly cared? Come on now, do you really buy that?!

The real truth is that this is going to be a 50 state election with no "give me" states. Any of the candidates are capable of winning just about any of the states. I will grant that it is most likely that the only state that might be a lock is the candidates home state (though Gore proved that concept wrong when he didn't carry his own state, blame Florida if you will but if he had carried his own state he would have won).

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Diane from Illinois — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:05:07 GMT

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Pat Huntington NY — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:05:49 GMT

Chuck, NY (Sent Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:33 AM):
What are you basing your conclusion on with regard to states that Obama will win? Current general polling or his primary/caucus wins? If the latter, you are not taking into account that the fact that only a small percentage of voters in red states like Idaho actually voted in those primaries/caucuses when compared to the general electorate in those states. You are engaging in fuzzy math here a bit. For instance, if in Idaho, 30% of the voters are Dem., and of that 30%, only 20% voted in that states's primary, and Obama got 60% of that vote, that means only 60% of 20% of 30% voted for him which equates to a very smaller percentage of the general electorate. However, if you show me a general election poll that puts him against McCain and shows Obama beating McCain with very few undecideds, then you have a case. Otherwise, you don't.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:06:51 GMT

I think its way premature to be counting electors. Too much still to play out.

I'm more at the stage of looking at potential battlegrounds, realizing that independents will decide those states, and seeing which candidates do better among independents.

That said, Clinton would lose spectacularly, and she would drag down lower ticket candidates with her because of the reasons she would lose so spectacularly - reenergizing the Republican base and pushing indepedents who value trustworthiness toward the GOP.

Obama and McCain would be a classic. Independents aren't repelled by either. But win or lose, Obama wouldn't kill the party's congressional candidates.

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Rick,Ky — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:07:07 GMT

It's been a very Stressful week so far as My daughter gave birth to a 3lb-3 oz baby Boy on Sunday(7 week's premature).Her condition was touch & go for almost 48 hour's, but she is recuperating well now & hopefully will be released sometime this weekend.He is a Healthy 3 pounder & breathing mostly on his Own.

With all this happening, I have'nt paid much attention to Politic's or anything else.It is very encouraging to see Barack making headway in Pennsylvania(according to some).He was very Presidential on hardball last night.We supporter's of Barack have Not lost our enthusiasm for his candicy.It seem's like the Super Delegates are wanting to experience this enthusiasm as well.

With America heading headlong into a Recession, we can Not afford to get this Presidential election Wrong.Gasoline prices are fueling this Recession & as long as we're in Iraq, it won't get any better.Barack will End this debacle & bring our Troop's Home.

"DELUSIONAL THINKING BY COMMON SENSE AMERICAN'S IS OVER "

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squintz, philly, pa — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:07:46 GMT

But when she gets that 3 a.m. phone call telling her she lost the nomination, will she beat Bill half to death with that phone?

LOL! Dude, if I were her I would have dumped his sorry a$$ in 1999 and ran for the Presidency the next year. Now, that's the kind of woman I'd like to see in the White House. He has ruined her, what a shame.

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BL, Cincinnati OH — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:10:50 GMT

Clinton vs. McCain
Base Clinton: CA, CT, DE, DC, HI, IL, ME, MD, MA, NJ, NY, RI, VT (172)
Toss-up: FL, IA, MI, NM, NH, OH, PA (101)

I don't see Hawaii going Clinton if she steals it from Obama. I also don't see Iowa going Clinton either, after Clinton bashed their caucuses and only got 3rd to begin with there. New Mexico... after their trashing Richardson... that's going to be a rough state as well.

Florida is going to be very tough for her too. Charlie Crist is very popular, and the Repubs control every branch of that state, so they have a strong network there.

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Pete - Albany, NY — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:11:46 GMT

Michigan is not a "toss up" for Hillary. She would win Michigan, along with Ohio and Pennsylvania.
In fact, the controversy over the primaries in Michigan may well have a negative impact on Obama's ability to carry that state, as well as Florida.
But, Hillary could win Florida as there are a lot of transposed New Yorkers there.
Furthermore, Obama will not win California. Especially if the G.O.P. throws some money at that state and gets Arnold involved in the campaign.
If Rudy Giulliani and George Pataki campaign heavily for McCain in NY State, Obama won't win there either.
Hillary proved she can and would win California and of course NY would be solidly in her column.
Mr. Russert's electoral map is everely flawed and, of course, biased towards Obama.
Now, I know this post is going to upset the Obama supporters.
But it IS The TRUTH, and as we all know.....
The TRUTH Hurts (Sent Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:52 AM)

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Wow...major flaws in that argument.

1. Once again, blame is incorrectly placed on Senator Obama for the mess in Florida and Michigan. It was Clinton advisor Harold Ickes who was part of the team that decided that no delegates would be seated from either state at the convention. Shouldn't there be backlash against her for that?

2. You give The Governator too much credit. Between LA and SF do you really see California going GOP? Besides, Arnie is balanced out immediately by his wife (see also: The Kennedys).

3. New York going GOP if Senator Obama is the nominee is also a hoot. Not going to happen. This is still a state with 2 Democrats in the US Senate and a Democrat as Governor. Nice that you mention Pataki and Giuliani campaigning for Senator McCain but neither of them are the most powerful people in the GOP here in New York.

Truth? Not even close.

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Jim, Santa Cruz — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:12:06 GMT

This Reverend Wright drumbeat from the conservatives is very simple to counter. If the problem supposedly is that Obama did not renounce his pastor enough or did not abandon this church for the few politically charged sermons that Wright gave, then what of the millions of Catholic parishioners who stood by their church in its time of crisis.? They did not leave their church after it became known that children were being sexually abused by priests, and the fact that the church was hiding it to a large degree. Why? Because the Christian teaching is to forgive and move on and this is what Obama did as well.

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Pat Huntington NY — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:12:12 GMT

sarah, fountain, colorado - are you so not young that you can't Google the voting numbers? Obama won 255,809 votes in "southern, red" Mississippi, McCain won 113,074...Obama won 700,366 votes is "southern, red" Georgia, McCain won 303,639 (and lost to Huckabee)...Obama won 295,091 votes is "southern, red" South Carolina and McCain won 147,283...Obama won 220,588 votes is "southern, red" Louisiana and McCain won 69,665 (and lost to Huckabee). So, yes, I really believe math and that Obama can win the red states he won in the primaries.
squintz, philly, pa (Sent Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:56 AM)

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And are you forgetting that there were only 2 or 3 competitive democrats in those primaries while there were several for GOP?

Any Obamabot, and even Hillary supporters, who think that just because you won a red state dem. primary, you will get that state in the general election must be politically naive.

First, only a small percentage of the general electorate of those states actually voted in the primaries.

Second, when the general election happens, the entire state votes, meaning the greater percentage of repulicans in those states will outvote the democrats who are registed at lower numbers in those states, even with the current rise in registration.

So, you can't make generalizations about the general election based on a dem. candidate's success in a red state primary caucus. Otherwise, this means that Obama will win Idaho, a red state where republican registered voters are obver 60% of the general electorate, which has almost never ever ever ever voted dem. Clearly, he wil not.

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Marbw — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:12:18 GMT

group of prominent Pennsylvania Jews endorsed U.S. Sen. Barack Obama in advance of the state's April 22 primary.

In a letter to the state's Jewish community, about 60 Jewish supporters of Obama, including some politicians, rabbis and community leaders, dismissed concerns raised about the candidate's commitment to Israel, praised his response to the controversial statements of his pastor and urged them to support the Illinois lawmaker in the Democratic primary.

http://elections.jta.org
March 31, 2008

Dear Friend:

We are writing as American Jews from all across Pennsylvania to ask that you join us in supporting Senator Barack Obama for President of the United States.

Much has been said and many questions have been raised within the Jewish community in recent weeks about Senator Obama’s sensitivity to our community and his record on Israel. Unfortunately, much of the discourse has been based more on politics and positioning and less on facts and fair-minded analysis. We are writing to set the record straight and tell you why we intend to vote for Barack Obama.

Each of us – us members of the Jewish community – takes great pride in our commitment to Judaism. For us, the strategy of assigning guilt by association – as has been to done to Senator Obama – runs counter to our teachings and dishonors Jewish law and ethical traditions. Jewish law neither condemns thoughts nor does it denounce the musing of other’s hearts. By contrast, under Jewish law, we – all of us – are judged by our actions and our actions alone.

Senator Obama has earned our respect and gratitude because of his support for traditional Jewish values and his commitment to a peaceful and prosperous Israel. His support for Tikkun Olam – “repairing the world” – and social justice is evident through his accomplishments in the Illinois Senate and the U.S. Senate. Without exception, Senator Obama has voted 100% consistently with the position of AIPAC on foreign aid and all other legislation and resolutions affecting Israel. These are the kind of actions for which we are grateful as a community. And, these are facts. For a more in depth look at the Senator’s strong record on issues that matter to our community, please click here.

Earlier this month, responding to withering criticism of the pastor of his church, Senator Obama delivered a courageous and powerful speech that demonstrated his unique ability to talk frankly about the continuing racial tension in our country. His speech itself will not lead to racial reconciliation or a complete understanding of our different religious and cultural traditions, but it has opened a new door for Americans of all backgrounds to begin speaking openly with one another. It is a speech that will serve as a teaching tool for all our citizens and will surely serve the interests of the Jewish community. In trying to place the speech in historical context, The New York Times editorialized that the “Inaugural addresses by Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt come to mind, as does John F. Kennedy’s 1960 speech on religion…”

While we are profoundly disturbed by the unpatriotic, bigoted and anti-Semitic comments of the retired pastor of Senator Obama’s church, we are moved that Barack stood up at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia earlier this month, and “condemned in unequivocal terms the statements of Reverend Wright” and expressed his own views on issues near and dear to the heart and soul of the Jewish community.

Specifically, in repudiating the remarks of his former pastor, Senator Obama said Reverend Wright “expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country…a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.”

Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, a great rabbinic scholar of the 20th century, was known equally for his theological scholarship and as well as for having marched alongside the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. during the civil rights movement.

Heschel once recalled that when marching in Selma, he was confronted by a host of people who were filled with hate and ignorance. They jeered at the Rabbi who afterwards declared to his fellow Jews: “When I marched in Selma, my feet were praying.” Later, Heschel would recount that while he had always found comfort in his Siddur, his prayer book, it was in Selma where he learned to pray with his feet as well.

We have each chosen to pray with our feet and stand with Barack Obama because he is sensitive to the issues of the Jewish community and a stalwart supporter of Israel.

We respectfully ask that you stand with Senator Barack Obama and vote for him on April 22.

The Honorable Josh Shapiro
Deputy Speaker, Pennsylvania House of Representatives
Abington, PA

The Honorable Daylin Leach
Pennsylvania House of Representatives
Ardmore, PA

Rabbi Robyn Frisch
Rydal, PA

Rabbi Seth Frisch
Rydal, PA

Rabbi Nancy Fuchs-Kreimer
Philadelphia, PA

Rabbi Jonathan H. Gerard
Easton, PA

Rabbi David A. Teutsch
Philadelphia, PA

Rabbi Joshua Waxman
Fort Washington, PA

Robert S. Adelson
Merion, PA

David Ainsman
Pittsburgh, PA

Meryl Ainsman
Pittsburgh, PA

Mark Alderman
Bryn Mawr, PA

Marian Allen
Pittsburgh, PA

Tom Allen
Pittsburgh, PA

Irl Barg
Chester County, PA

Henri J. Barkey
International Relations Dept., Lehigh University
Allentown, PA

Dr. Steve Barrer
Abington, PA

Daniel Berger, Esq.
Philadelphia, PA

Todd W. Bernstein
Philadelphia, PA

James D. Bloom
Muhlenberg College
Allentown, PA

Peter Buttenwieser
Philadelphia, PA

Daniel Clearfield
Harrisburg, PA

Carl Cohen
Pittsburgh, PA

Dan Cohen,
Pittsburgh, PA

Hillary Cohen
Pittsburgh, PA

Marcia Cooper
Pittsburgh, PA

Mickie Diamond
Pittsburgh, PA

David Ehrenwerth
Pittsburgh, PA

Judy Ehrenwerth
Pittsburgh, PA

Justin Ehrenwerth
Pittsburgh, PA

Bradley T. Forman
Harrisburg, PA

Sue Friedberg
Pittsburgh, PA

Aaron J. Friewald, Esq.
Wynnewood, PA

Jeffrey Frutkin
Spring House, PA

Serena Fujita
Bucknell University
Lewisburg PA

Bernard Gerber,
Berks County, PA

Susan Golomb
Pittsburgh, PA

Stephen M. Goodman
Philadelphia, PA

Mahnaz Harrison
Pittsburgh, PA

Ross Harrison
Pittsburgh, PA

Rick Horowitz
Wynnewood, PA

Ruth Horowitz
Wynnewood, PA

Eve Klothen, Esq.
Swarthmore, PA

Joseph Kohn, Esq.
Devon, PA

Dean Kross, M.D.
Pittsburgh, PA

David Landau
Wallingford, PA

Clifford Levine, Esq.
Pittsburgh, PA

Rosanne M. Levine
Pittsburgh, PA

Daniel E. Loeb
Publisher, Philadelphia Jewish Voice
Philadelphia, PA

Cathy Lewis Long
Pittsburgh, PA

Andrea M. Lowenstein
Pittsburgh, PA

Michael E. Lowenstein
Pittsburgh, PA

Jules Mermelstein
Township Commissioner
Upper Dublin, PA

Morey Myers, Esq.
Scranton PA

Sondra Myers
Scranton, PA

Jacob Naveh
Pittsburgh, PA

Todd Reidbord
Pittsburgh, PA

Stephan Rosenfeld
Jenkintown, PA

Jeff Shell
Philadelphia, PA

Laura Shell
Penn Valley, PA

Stephanie Shell
Ardmore, PA

Carl Shuman,
Harrisburg, PA

Alan Siger
Pittsburgh, PA

Patricia Siger
Pittsburgh, PA

Prof. Lawrence Silberstein
Director, Berman Center for Jewish Studies, Lehigh University
Bethlehem, PA

Larry Silverman
Pittsburgh, PA

Roger Simon
Lehigh University
Bethlehem, PA

Jill Stein
Villanova, PA

Lem Tarshis
Blue Bell, PA

Jill Zipin
Philadelphia, PA

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Peter, CA — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:14:32 GMT

Go Hillary.
You are the true fighter for the people.

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CJ — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:15:16 GMT

I thought McCain was just getting his tour STARTED...haven't seen a peep from the media about it. Just goes to show, it had no impact. He's too old for the media to show any interest and when I hear him speak it's like I'm listening to a grandpa waxing poetic about war stories and tax cuts.

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Pat huntington ny — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:17:43 GMT

Sarah - How can Obama have already lost states that haven't had an election yet? Plus lets really look at this red state/blue state argument. Didn't President Reagan win 49 out of 50 states? And that was when it was a Democrat Controlled Congress. To automatically assume that Senator Obama will lose certain states is a false assumption. Plus it seems as though Senator Clinton is trying the same strategy that Gore and Kerry used wich was to go after the big states and ignore the rest. I think we all know how well that strategy worked for both of them.

Confused (Sent Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:55 AM)

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You must be in the politically ignorant column because Reagan's electoral landslide happened when he was running for re-election, at at time when he was very very popular, and against a wimpy flawed candidated, Mondale. If that same election were happending today, Reagan would win by the same electoral landslide, and I would vote for him too, even though I am a dem.

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Stewart, Bethesda, MD — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:20:20 GMT

Now I know why James Carville called Bill Richardson JUDAS. Isn't the coversation between Hillary and Richardson confidential. Why Richardson went to the media with what they discuss behind closed door........ he did it because he wants to embarrassed the Clintons.

I've look back in first read archives and I didn't see a story on the TACTICS barck ? obama used to strong arm super delegates to suppport him. Remember John Lewis from Georgia, the obama camp had black radio talk show host with the help of their listeners call John Lewis office and basically threaten him with UNCLE TOM comment, telling him they will pressure the black voters not to vote for him and they had their black surrogates pressure John Lewis to the point where he had to change his e-mail and phone number, so lets be fair and report the DIRTY TACTICS the obama camp is applying to super delegates.

The notion that barack obama can win a major state with large white votes is spin the obama loving media would like us to believe, but the reality is JEREMIAH WRIGHT will not allow that possibility.

Hillary RODHAM Clinton is RIGHT to bring up the jeremiah WRIGHT issue against barack HUSSEIN obama. The praetorian obama worshiping media pundits are treating obama has if he is running to be president of a banana republic or he’s running to be president of MSNBC news department.
Everything good and BAD about the candidates should be put forth so the SUPER DELEGATES and the voting public can decides who is best to lead this country.

“SHOULDN’T ALL THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES GO THROUGH A SECURITY CLEARANCE BEFORE THEY CAN BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?”...... just a thought.
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Only Chris Matthews and Eugene Robinson and some other obama supporting pundits seems to be up in arms over the JEREMIAH WRIGHT issue because their mission is to protect the very naive, inexperience, delicate barack H. obama from the BIG BAD WORLD and the American Voters.

If Chris Matthews is saying he's inspired by barack obama speech, THEN CAN WE SAY barack obama IS INSPIRED BY JEREMIAH WRIGHT SPEECH.

"SHOW ME YOUR FRIENDS AND I'LL TELL YOU WHO YOUR ENEMIES ARE."

The American People aren't stupid, they know who the bad guys are in the world and who obama associates and friends are and who the corrupt media pundits are and their motives, so come April 22 the blowout win by Hillary Clinton will silence all and show the super delegates who can really win in November.

PREDICTIONS:.... HILLARY WILL TAKE THE LEAD IN POPULAR VOTES AFTER SHE WINS PENNSYLVANIA.

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Rick, NC — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:20:23 GMT

The Mccain "i'm a lifetime ward of the taxpayers" tour is nearly over...didn't this guy ever have a real job? Obviously not from the economic plan he's put forward which can be summmed as...

"I will protect the high flyers on wall street and the rest of America can toughen up you bunch of whiners"...you know, the bushleague economic plan

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Nj — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:21:53 GMT

Did the Hill supporters see that The GOP wants Hill by 65% so they can crush her???
And the dems want Obama by 59% because he is MORE ELECTABLE????

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Jim Banks — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:23:43 GMT

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:24:38 GMT

It's not really lying if the suckers don't notice

"The problem is not that she exaggerated her record;
the problem is she exaggerated her record and she's
Hillary Clinton,"

From the WSJ:

'...Clinton Slipping on Trust
Blunders About Past Weaken Credibility;
Move to Shift Focus
By AMY CHOZICK
April 1, 2008; Page A6

HARRISBURG, Pa. -- In the weeks before the
Pennsylvania primary, Sen. Hillary Clinton not only
lags Sen. Barack Obama in the race for delegates, she
also is losing ground in her effort to convince voters
that she is trustworthy.

The debate over her record has left Sen. Clinton
confronting her lowest approval rating since April
2006, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll
released last week.

According to the survey, 29% of the approximately
1,000 respondents said they had a very negative
opinion of Sen. Clinton compared with 15% for Sen.
Barack Obama and 12% for Sen. John McCain, the likely
Republican nominee.

A Pew Research survey released last week shows 29% of
Democratic voters describe Sen. Clinton as "phony,"
compared with 14% for Sen. Obama.

For more than a year, the Clinton campaign has tried
to burnish Sen. Clinton's image, and early last month,
the strategy appeared to be paying off. A stronger
approval rating helped Sen. Clinton score victories in
the Ohio and Texas primaries, though Sen. Obama picked
up more delegates in Texas.

The New York senator suffered a setback last week when
she admitted to overstating the danger she had faced
on a 1996 trip to Bosnia as first lady. The incident
sparked allegations that she had exaggerated her role
on other issues, such as the Northern Ireland peace
process, opposing the North American Free Trade
Agreement and bringing health insurance to children.

Everhart Flenory, 67, a retired steelworker in New
Kensington, Pa., said he used to be a Clinton
supporter but plans to vote for Sen. Obama in the
state's April 22 primary. "I've lost all my love for
the Clintons," Mr. Flenory says. "Why'd she have to
lie?"

Clinton campaign image maker Mandy Grunwald and Ann
Lewis, head of women's outreach, are working to
re-establish voters' trust in Sen. Clinton, campaign
aides say. In a new online video entitled "Help us
show our strength," Clinton supporters share
testimonials, and Sen. Clinton delivers a message,
thanking voters for their confidence.

The campaign is also trying to shift focus away from
recent debates over Sen. Clinton's record and toward
the economy, an issue many voters say she more firmly
grasps than Sen. Obama. Monday, Sen. Clinton held an
economic roundtable in Harrisburg, and she talked
about a tax-cut plan for the middle class at an event
in Fairless Hills, Pa., near Philadelphia.

She also laid out a plan calling for stricter
regulation of Wall Street investment banks, broader
consumer protection on credit cards and student loans
and additional measures to curb the foreclosure
crisis.

Pennsylvania is a must-win state for Sen. Clinton, who
is behind in the race for delegates. Sen. Obama leads
in the overall delegate count, with 1,623 to Sen.
Clinton's 1,499, according to the Associated Press.
About 2,025 are needed to win the nomination.

"We've always said from the beginning of the race that
our challenge is to change the perception a lot of
people already have," Clinton campaign spokesman Mo
Elleithee said.

Some observers said the Clinton campaign has a tough
road ahead.

"The problem is not that she exaggerated her record;
the problem is she exaggerated her record and she's
Hillary Clinton," said Hank Sheinkopf, a Democratic
political consultant who worked for former President
Clinton....'

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Ron, TX — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:25:09 GMT

The KEY to winning every general election is winning independent voters.

It's back to the basics politics. Democrats will be Democrats and Republicans will be Republicans. You MUST win independent votes to win the general election. Obama wins independent votes over McCain. McCain wins them over Clinton. That makes Clinton a HUGE risk to the Democratic party in November.

Back to the basics, Democrats, back to the basics.

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Lisa, New Britain, CT CT for Obama — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:25:09 GMT

OK, California is my native state and there is no way that CA will not go for Obama if he is the nominee. California is a state of inclusion (if you exclude those Republican strongholds in Orange County) and Obama's support will be deep and wide there.

(I agree with the poster that says these maps are way to early but fun to speculate, no?).

Lisa (a California girl now living in CT)

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Anne/OHIO — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:25:12 GMT

Sarah in CO.
I am from OHIO please do not think that my state will not vote for Obama in November!
We have a democrat as gov. and just because he supported Hillary does not mean that come the fall if Obama is the nominee that he would not back him!

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jj — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:25:54 GMT

I think everyone is getting way ahead of themselves here. Has anyone considered the fact that Obama will have time to campaign in the states he needs to win in Nov? Has he NOT closed the gap in almost every major contest thus far? Why would you think the GE would be any different? Hasn't his campaign run a well-oiled machine, considering this was Hillary's race to lose and lose she is? Do NOT underestimate Obama and his team. I have faith that he will pull this off and be the first African American President of the United States and we ALL will have a part in getting him there! This is how politics SHOULD be!
Diane from Illinois (Sent Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:05 AM

The only thing I get out of your post is that your voting for Obama for the sole purpose of having the first African American President. Obviously things like being the best choice are secondary in your considerations.

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Ron Indiana — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:27:34 GMT

Well lets see: Who do I believe--Richardson or Hillary? Hillary has lied about NAFTA, Sniper-fire, Ireland, etc. Richardson is an honest man with no history of falsehoods. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WATCHING THE WHEELS FALL OFF THE HILLARY CAMPAIGN WAGON. All the signs and symptoms are there. That's a fact.

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Jeff, Cincinnati, OH — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:28:12 GMT

I believe Nebraska and Maine appportion electoral college votes based on congressional district, and that Obama is projected to win at least one of the Nebraska votes.

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Ron Indiana — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:28:52 GMT

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diane — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:31:35 GMT

Morning Joe desperately wants to find a way to diminish Obama. Between his daily rants and obsession with Wright and trying to make the polls read in Clinton's favor, the man is becoming so transparent and pathetic.
Rightwing tool is laying on the pro Hillary so thick hoping voters actually buy it.
Too bad he cannot face the reality of the fact that his party is going to be facing Obama

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TYPICAL CLINTON HYPOCRISY -----. eh, az — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:31:57 GMT

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QUESTION.--- WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR THE HILLARY SUPPORTERS TO UNDERSTAND & ACCEPT OBAMA'S PERSONAL LOYALTY TO HIS PASTOR ... WHILE BILL CLINTON & JAMES CARVILLE FIND GOV. RICHARDSON'S 'ALLEGED' DIS-LOYALTY TO THE CLINTONS UNACCEPTABLE. --- CARVILLE HAS ECHOED BILL CLINTONS SENTIMENT THAT "LOYALTY" IS EVERYTHING TO A POLITICIAN --- (EXCEPT WHEN IT IS OBAMA'S LOYALTY TO HIS PASTOR). ----- THAT IS TYPICAL CLINTON HYPOCRISY -----.

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from a Latino... Madrid...Spain — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:34:57 GMT

From a Latino’s point of view… maybe I am wrong… but…
Some people here don’t realize the reality of this election, like in many others. We get into argument and fight for our preference, but the reality is that most of those who are fighting, defending their candidate KNOW NOTHING about them. They get feed and instructed by the media and start repeating everything they hear but without any based.

The whole country is talking about Obama as a great candidate, but is really Obama that great? Well, for the media’s purpose, yes, he is. WHY?

This country is not ready for a female or black president, but, at this point, the media, (controlled by a group of white, macho men) is pushing for Obama, because he is a men, no because he is so great, or because he has done anything extraordinary, but they prefer to push for another male figure and no a female, because at the end, the presidency is for MEN, NO WOMEN. So, let’s get ready of the female candidate using the black male.

What would happen if Obama win the nomination? The media is going to answer this question, DO WE REALLY WANT A BLACK FOR PRESIDENT? Answer: of course no. lets then works for McCain, and the result will be that Obama, the great sensation, the great speaker, will become the scapegoat. The media is going to play and clean the floor with him, because they are not going to support a black man for president.

So, for all of you, Obama supporters, don’t get too excited. If you really look the candidates, you will be talking differently, but, MOST AMERICAN CANT DO THAT, WHY? BECAUSE THEY DON’T READ, THEY DON’T EDUCATE THEMSELVE, THEY DON’T THINK, THEY LET THE EMOTION TO CONTROL THEIR CHOICE AND THE MEDIA IS GOOD USING THAT FACT.

PLEASE, don’t lets the media fool you, OBAMA IS A PRODUCT OF THE MEDIA AND THE AFRICAN AMERICAN; they are so excited with the idea of having a black president for first time. But the fact is that AA only won’t elect a president. My conclusion is that if American people stop been so emotional about it and think, they will support more Hillary Clinton.

p.s. sorry for my English...

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Pat, Boston, MA — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:35:15 GMT

squitz, thank you. Best of luck in PA on 4/22. You may be right - but I wanted to expose this radio station. They are awful.

Obama/Webb - 2008

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from a latino MAdrid Spain — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:37:26 GMT

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:37:44 GMT

Linda. Boston, MA:
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NEWS!!! JIMMY CARTER will most likely endorse Obama!!!!
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http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=107611

"We are very interested in the primaries. Don’t forget that Obama won in my state of Georgia. My town which is home to 625 people is for Obama, my children and their spouses are pro- Obama. My grandchildren are also pro- Obama. As a Super Delegate, I would not disclose who I am rooting for but I leave you to make that guess..." -JIMMY CARTER ..'

This is GREAT NEWS !
I like Jimmy Carter
(I didn't when he was President)

He spent his post Presidential days building housing for the poor and working for human rights
I really respect his comments about the Palestinians

What First Read DIDN'T MENTION in their supposed Electoral counts......

Obama WILL BE THE NOMINEE
Obama leads in PLEDGED DELEGATES by 13%
It's almost inconceivable tha Billary could catch up
For all practical purposes...... SHE CAN'T

Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee

Running against the Clintons and their DNC sleeper cells has been harder than running against John McCain

Never underestimate the power of Republican STUPIDITY

Obama '08
Integrity counts
Honesty counts
Character counts

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Barbara C, - Pompano Beach, FL — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:37:59 GMT

Here come the maps as the Media trys and trys to show how divided the country still is....if both sides can EVER work together, I agree with Obama that we just may get something done in this country. In other words....the stupid stuff we worry about....months and months and months away from the November voting...

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thevaneljournal.com — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:38:07 GMT

http://www.thevaneljournal.com

what is not being discussed here is that Obama, with his fundraising apparatus, will be able to compete in all 50 states forcing McCain to spend time and money in traditional red states

NC,TN and IN are just three examples where he can put pressure on McCain.

VA is more of a purple state and with Web and Kaine as supporters, Obama can win this state.

Gov. Napolitano will help Obama in NV, but FLA maybe a challenge especially if Crist is named VP

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dblake Austin — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:38:21 GMT

A neutral superdelegate who was in the room for that meeting called the Chronicle's take "a bit exaggerated." But there is no question the Clintons are passionately arguing their case against Obama in what is fast becoming an intense race not just for the votes of the public but of the Democratic elite known as superdelegates.

Will Bill Clinton's argument 'Barack Obama Can't Win'; win over Super-Delegates?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2023

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KJ, Dallas, TX — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:39:05 GMT

Sen. Obama will probably lose a few votes to the more conservative, and/or racist people who will not vote for him regardless of his plans for the country, but I'm sure our campaign has weighed in all of these factors. I have faith that Americans will take into consideration the issues and whose plans are best suited for them and our country. I'm pretty sure that we'll choose Obama (if he is the Dem. nominee), over McCain in 2008!

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jesse St.Paul Minnesota — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:42:28 GMT

time for the Dem party to show the hillbillys the door.These people don't care that they are bring down the party as they go along on there losing way,They are on a misssion to take this to a new level of slime ball tatics,This is going to get worse and the slime slinging is about to become unbearable.They have nothing to lose,they will be bringing up the Wright issue everyday from now till they drop out.You can bet the house on this.

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:43:13 GMT

The TRUTH Hurts: '...But it IS The TRUTH, and as we all know.....'

The TRUTH is: HILLARY CAN'T WIN THE NOMINATION !!
She's 13% behind in pledged delegates

'...A Pew Research survey released last week shows 29% of Democratic voters describe Sen. Clinton as "phony," compared with 14% for Sen. Obama.

For more than a year, the Clinton campaign has tried
to burnish Sen. Clinton's image, and early last month, the strategy appeared to be paying off. A stronger approval rating helped Sen. Clinton score victories in the Ohio and Texas primaries, though Sen. Obama picked up more delegates in Texas.

The New York senator suffered a setback last week when she admitted to overstating the danger she had faced on a 1996 trip to Bosnia as first lady. The incident sparked allegations that she had exaggerated her role on other issues, such as the Northern Ireland peace process, opposing the North American Free Trade Agreement and bringing health insurance to children....'

Her credibility is shot with DEMOCRATS !!
26% think she's a phony

The TRUTH is: Barack Obama is inevitable

Barack Obama will be your next President

Does that hurt ?

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Idaho — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:45:24 GMT

Does Hillary have a Mountain West problem? She definitely does in Boise, where she did not even meet the 15% threshold to get delegates in either of the two Ada County caucuses. Her supporters were a handful of white haired old women, led by Frank Church's widow. While she is a home-town heroine, she couldn't find a good reason to vote for Clinton, other than that Billary had given her son a job.

Idahoans are anxious to get to the polls and replace that creepy Sen. Larry Craig. While they're there, a lot of them will cross the line and vote for Obama. That won't happen if Hillary is the candidate.

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Give me a break — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:47:31 GMT

Ok Chuck, NY,

I've saved your dumbass electoral college map and plan of posting it over and over on the November 4th when your number turn out the be so out of left field and WRONG.

I mean really, there are plenty of political experts who say that it would be close and it's just too hard to call given the fact that McCain at one point had been counted out and is now the presumptive nominee of the Republican Party and given the up and down back and forth between Obama and Clinton, but you for some reason seem to know something that no one else konws.

What a guiness you must be.

GIVE ME BREAK.

But that's Ok because on November 4th when you end up being WRONG, and you will be wrong, I'll take your rediculous electoral map and post it over and over and over.

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AC in LA, CA — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:47:58 GMT

Joan, I am disappointed in Tim Russert. THERE IS NO WAY THE DEMS WIN FL. GOV CRIST HAS A >70% APPROVAL RATING. He is a man of the people. He took a centerist position on Insurance that won the hearts of Floridians. That means Clinton has no chance of winning.

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Sierra, SF — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:48:20 GMT

Diane from Illinois: '...I think everyone is getting way ahead of themselves here. Has anyone considered the fact that Obama will have time to campaign in the states he needs to win in Nov? Has he NOT closed the gap in almost every major contest thus far? Why would you think the GE would be any different?...'

Thank you, Diane
Obama's team kicked the stuffings out of the vaunted 'Clinton machine'

The BIG PICTURE is:

Obama is ahead by 13% of the pledged delegates
He WILL WIN the nomination

The electibility crap is just Clinton talking points
Thanks, First Read.. the is better than just printing Clinton press releases.....

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donna, pgh. pa. — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:48:43 GMT

Barring any unforeseen circumstance, which holds true for every canditate, if he's true to form, Obama's number will rise, as soon as we let him out of the gate, with the nomination.

Pulling for Obama '08

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Dan, Denver, Colorado — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:50:27 GMT

Sarah in CO,

Your wrong and let me tell everyone here that Colorado will go Democrat. You probably have lunch with Dobson down their in the Springs with views like that. Colorado Republicans voted for Romney in the primaries, which shows you how much they know.

Obama had the people on the ground all over the place here. People in Colorado are tired of the Republican philosophy. Not even Tancredo will stop Colorado going Democrat. We will give CO to Obama and we will take back a Senate seat in CO when we elect Mark Udall.

Colorado Will Turn Blue

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jimbo palm beach, fl — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:52:45 GMT

Its amazing how some people are falling for this Change motto. Obama isn't changing anything. He is doing what others have done- saying one thing and then doing another. He talks against Nafta then tells the Canadians not to worry -its just campaign talk. When he is confronted with it he lies until there is evidence, then he give another speech to cover it up. He tells you he worked for slumlord Rezko for "5 hours"- another lie, there is a long association between them and hundreds of thousands of dollars in deals and influence. He says he didnt hear racist Pastor Wrights cursing of American and the n when he is confronted with the evidence he gives another speech to actually defend that church. He takes money from gas and oil companies and then says he will not be controlled by lobbyists. He is for the "people voting" but then tries to stop the Florida vote because he lost here after camapaigning on T.V. He says he is for Health care and the poor yet his wife works for the Univ of Chicago hospital that charges minorities without insurance 5 times more than whites with it. Michelle says she came from a poor background, yet her upper middle calss brick home shows what a farce that is. Obama was handed legislation in illinois and he claimed it as his own after others had worked hard on it- he steam rolled others there and then spit in their face. He says he was "against the war but has voted numerous times to keep on funding it and he even voted aginst troop withdrawals. Wake up people. The list goes on and on. Who knows what the Republicans will dig up on him when they are backed to the wall.

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obama 08 — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:58:26 GMT

REd state? Blue state? purple, swing, flip state?

How about the United States?

Only ONE candidate thinks of us that way.

United states.

Obama 08

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Sunshine, Peoria IL — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:58:55 GMT

Since most people haven't noticed, this is not a conventional race with conventional maps.Obama has changed the game for the Democrats & made them competitive in much more states.We all know the blue states will automatically go Obama.I think to everyone's surprise he'll pull an upset with IN(IL's neighbor).When Obama first started this race they said he could not win the predominantly white states which he did.The pundits can predict all they want, but I think he will do much better than anuyone expects.What the pundits don't understand is that most people would vote for Mickey Mouse over 100 years of war.And McCain makes Rev Wright look like an angel.

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ya know — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:00:32 GMT

sarah...

I too live in El Paso County and I'd like to know where these 7 installations you're referencing are?

I can list Pete, Schriever and Ft. Carson. Buckley is in Denver. Although this is besides the point, you're obviously a Clintonite... please, if you're going to post, post something of substance.

Obama won this state due to change and his movement among the younger voters. The Rev. Wright ordeal would have had a MINOR sway, but Obama was able to quell the situation by making his race speech. Alot of Colorado residence who attend church know they shouldn't judge Obama by his pastor's ramblings.. because they are all too aware of the mess that surfaced within the past year at the New Life Church. Which by the way didn't hurt the turnout one iota.

With that said, there are alot of republicans in this state but they are VERY, VERY conservative and don't care for McCain and probably won't show up. I tend to think anytime a party has enthusiasm (like the Dems), they win. If you haven't noticed, dems are turning out about 2 to one during the primaries

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Holli, Oklahoma City, OK — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:03:17 GMT

The different maps are quite interesting because it shows that the argument that Hillary is making that she is much stronger in the electoral map is not true. Plus, here's the unknown quantity that I know the Clinton camp doesn't project but is true--I think it's a pretty strong fallacy to suggest that just because a state went for Clinton that it will automatically go to McCain if she is not the nominee and vice versa with Obama. I think this is why how the primary contest ends is so important. If there is a way for this to end without the appearance of a backroom deal, I think that most of both candidate's supporters will back the other candidate. However, in a year with an opponent like McCain who has a long history of independent thinking and action, the appearance of impropriety in settling the nomination could definitely pose a threat for the independent and Moderate vote.

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Beverly, Chicago — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:04:05 GMT

Hillary can't win. She is losing face. She is way past the embryonic and decomposed stages. The truth is Hillary's legislative experience point to empty calories. Obama's legislative experience is far more qualitative than her's. Hillary's nothing accomplishments should not be glossed over.
The truth is Hillary's legislative experience point to lies. Obama's legislative experience is far more qualitative. Many people seem to have problems regarding Senator Obama's eloquent speech. On this rocky rhetoric Obama... stated it has substance. Rocky lost. There is the fundamental difference between Rocky and Hillary. Hillary is a lying loser. Rocky had a fight for the good. Hillary's is not; only power and a change to answer the call of polarization. Rocky didn’t deliberately lie or cheat. Hillary has/does.
So is Hillary finally admitting the truth in simple terms e.g. that her crusade is lost?

Hillary you're fighting the wrong fight. Obama has cut into your superdelegates!
Go Obama!

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Alan, NJ — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:04:19 GMT

BO has not even won 50% of the Democratic Party vote. He has performed best in small caucuses which do not happen in the GE. He is behind in OH, PA, FL, MI, VA. Things may change but how can anybody be talking landslide?

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Sylvia in Ohio — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:04:29 GMT

What the Clintons are saying is that Obama is unelectable because he is black. They are so surprised that he is where he is because he is black and they are hoping that the American electorate "is not ready" for a black president. That is why surrogates are saying that he is only where he is because he is black-- they are shell shocked too. Richardson probably thought so too, as I did (I am African-American), until he started winning those primaries. The American electorate may be more progressive than the Clintons think-- or maybe not. November will be the true test. Regardless, he should be the nominee. If he is not, it will be a sad day in the Democratic party.

Obama 08

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Mike, Arlington, VA — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:06:40 GMT

If Indiana goes to anyone but McCain, I will eat my hat.

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Mrs R, Martinsville, IN — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:07:04 GMT

Chuck and friends.... don't count Indiana in the McCain column just yet - we have a republican govenor that has approval ratings rivaling Bush. That could have an effect on the presidential outcome as well... those voting against Mitch Daniels could impact the totals.

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Diane from Illinois — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:09:16 GMT

jj: It doesn't surprise me one bit that that's all you got out of my post! I'm encouraged that you can read! Keep practing; you'll only get wiser.

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40 years DemNPL — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:09:23 GMT

Get this North Dakota survey - the only one done so far:

Obama - 46, McCain - 42

McCain - 54, Clinton -35

I wouldn't place an even-money bet that Obama will carry North Dakota, but it's in play. He's here tomorrow and the whole state is electrified.

This is the pattern throughout the Great Plains and Rocky Mountains, Obama runs 20-30 points better than Clinton - and every politician in the region knows it. All the superdelegates in the region are going for Obama.

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C.K. Steele Fort Lauderdale, FL — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:10:07 GMT

These are some very foolish comments by the Clinton side today. NY and CA would fall into the ocean before they vote Republican! I have a few family members that are currently serving in the military specifically the Marines and the sentiment throughout the bases is NO to McCain. The families are strained and sick and McCain will have an impossible task convincing them to stay the course. Sarah, your argument is flawed. Since your part of Colorado has so many military installations, I doubt they would let the Rev. Wright issue outweigh having a chance to bring their loved ones home. You try watching your brother, wife, husband, etc. go off to Iraq for a 3rd tour in the meantime while going to the funerals of one of your friends who passed away in Kandahar or Tikrit and you tell me that Rev. Wright is going to change the families' minds. People are sick of this war and the choice is clear that Sen. Obama gives us the best chance to leave responsibly.

Maybe Sen. Obama would lose OH. I'm sure that the GOP will make an appeal to every Archie Bunker in the area. This area of the country has been devastated by NAFTA and we know that McCain has no plan at all for the economy so he should lose here. If the worst in us is brought out maybe a few shortsighted folks in Ohio could tip the scale. The counter for this would be win LA, IA, VA, and ND. McCain has a money problem and Obama would force him to overextend and have to defend a majority of his base states. It is very likely that Obama could win in a landslide.

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ya know — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:24:23 GMT

Obama wins the following: CA, NV OR, WA, NM, CO, ND, MN, IA, WI, IL, MI, PA, NY, ME, VT, NH, MA, RI, CT, NJ, DE, MD, DC and TX

... a total of 311 Electorial Votes.

He will bring home states with heavily black and latino populations and will run the coasts (east and west).

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anna oriolo, Lady Lake,fla. — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:29:01 GMT

Well I agree with Joan, Chicago, IL. and The Truth
Hurts. Why do people on just sicking what Hillery
did and what Obama did, they just drop it. Well to
the Jewish people in Philly and so forth in Pa. I come
From South Philly and very proud of it. Why are all of
you people voting for Obama? With me it is not race
card it is experience,experience,experience. Can all
of you people see what happened for the last eight
of George Bush. I did not vote for him because no
experience. And see what happened to our country.
I love my country I do not want it to go down. Please
think America about our country. Be senseable when
you go vote. Don't listen to the media & the
Politicans.

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Idaho — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:30:19 GMT

I suspect that the Carville comments will backfire against the Clintons. No one wants to feel "owned" by their former boss. If someone has given you a job, that
doesn't mean that you have to be their serf for life. Carville may not have the guts to be his own man, but most of the SD's are going to want to believe that they are party leaders, not serfs.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:33:18 GMT

Hillary's electoral college math is all screwed up. She's still thinking of the way it happened 4 and 8 years ago and she's trying to just run that losing 50% +1 strategy once again.

Obama on the other hand has gotten smart and decided to contest every state, that's why he's whipping Clinton in so many states. Obama has the winning strategy for November and all Hillary is doing now is helping Tailhook Johnny make it closer than it should be.

Time for Hillary to accept reality and do what's good for the party. If she quits early enough she'll be regarded well by fellow Dems but the longer she delays making the smart decision the worse her position will be in the future of our party.

Go Obama!

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The Truth Hurts — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:37:28 GMT

Good lord, the Obama supporters are dillusional, he will not change the electoral map and will loose a few states along the way, someone just listed that Obama would win Texas, that is so funny... He won't win a single southern state...

If I were Hillary i'd burn down the Democratic party, Bill brought the DNC back to life in the 90's, and now most democrats have turned on them...

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squintz, philly, pa — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:39:24 GMT

Pat, Boston - thanks for the good wishes. We're going to win PA, maybe by just a point, but we'll do it. People love to feel important in PA, we have an inferiority complex, so getting to make a decision (especially if it goes against the more famous big states) is a big deal for us. I got 5 new Democrats registered in my family and I'm not alone :-) Sorry to get testy, I'm a little hyped up today!

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The Truth, Chicago, Illinois — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:45:07 GMT

Wow. All you Obama supporters disgust me. Of course he cannot win, and he can't carry any states like CA, MI, FLA, OH, or NY. The fact is that the only reason he got this far is because people got swept up in the momentum. It suddenly became "cool" to like a candidate with absolutely no idea how to run a country. And McCain will simply crush Obama with endless attacks. Obama went to church every Sunday, and he's smart enough to know what his pastor was saying! If he was really patriotic, he wouldn't have come every Sunday to listen to the anti-white, anti-American crap that came out of the Rev.'s mouth unless he actually believed it himself! The truth hurts, kind of like it will when we get another Republican elected for president because we were to stupid to see facts.

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Nick, Austin, Texas — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:45:58 GMT

Hey "The TRUTH Hurts" I don't know what planet you live on but it is very clear that you don't know very much about politics. Obama is going to win California and New York just fine and anyone who tells you other wise must have a good stash of something on hand because that argument is crazy talk. McCain is going to win Florida no matter who the Democratic nominee is which is why it is probably not such a good idea to focus all our efforts on that state. If you want to support Hillary here is a hint: Ohio. She will do better in Ohio than either McCain or Obama. It hardly matters with the states Obama can win but that is her ace in the hole so focus on that.

Anyway, Clinton is never going to get elected in a general if she can't even win the series of primaries and she won't win against a Republican who can grab independents. Not only that but can you imagine how stupid she will look talking "experience" with McCain. It may be an argument when debating Obama but it will seems nutty against McCain. You just can't run the '92 Bill Clinton triangulation-hawkish-democrat campaign against John McCain since he has already started running it himself. Not only that but I very much doubt after all the hostile crazy talk towards Bill Richardson that he will be able, even if he is willing, to help her in New Mexico where she won a narrow win and where John McCain will have an easy time cleaning up. I also believe she will have to spend so much money to win Iowa and since she can't control her campaigns money too well that won't help a thing. If anything this lay out is too kind to her. It isn't just possible that she will lose if she finds a way to cheat and be the nominee- SHE WILL LOSE. Sorry, that's the way it goes.

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PulSamsara — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:48:05 GMT

Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States of America.