Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Rod, SC — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:13:28 GMT

So basically nothing has changed. This is such garbage. Penn is still on her team. I hope he goes down with the sinking ship.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Randy E (SC) — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:17:42 GMT

An analyst on Hardball last night suggested that Hillary is "tone death" to principles and conflict of opinions. This one sentence cuts to the heart of all things Clintons.

My question to Democrats is do we want business as usual for the next 4 or 8 years followed by business as usual when the Republicans take over again?

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

adam/Brooklyn New York City — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:19:10 GMT

Hillary and Penn are running their campaign the way Dolan and Thomas run the Knicks.

Vote Obama.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Abbey — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:20:26 GMT

Are you serious?

Is Hillary Clinton so out of touch that she doesn't realize the moral and ethical considerations leaving Penn in her campaign?

I just don't get it.

Obama 08!

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Lisa, New Britain, CT CT for Change! — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:34:11 GMT

The more things change the more they stay the same...

Good to know she's answering the call of the unions...OH, not really. Yeah, he's fired. No, no he's not he's just going to advise me more behind the scenes.

Wonderful.

What took Roger Simon so long :). I have been making that argument for weeks.

BTW as an aside to Joe Scarborough, his linking Clinton's grit to Nixon and ultimately to what we've had for the last eight years (i.e., the keep getting up in the face of abject failure, i.e., not learning from your mistakes) is not what we want for the next eight years and is a big part of why I'm supporting Obama.

Women for Obama 08

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Iowa — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:38:33 GMT

Same lies, scandals, and embarrassments, different day.

HRC will never change.

She will ALWAYS be polarizing, she will CONTINUE to LIE, and she will try and do WHATEVER it takes, good or bad, to get back into the WHite House.

This is nothing new, as the Clintons have ALWAYS been this way, all the way back to Arkansas.

Just ask the people in Mena, Arkansas.

They know ALL about the Clintons.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

bart — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:38:56 GMT

So, it was all smoke and mirrors! Should have known better...WHO would pull Hillarys strings if Penn was gone? She needs her "PUPPET MASTER" to tell her WHERE she stands! She calls herself a "dem"? Laughable!

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

jerry/corpus christi texas — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:39:34 GMT

Mr. Garin argued that her route to success lay more in presenting her strengths than in assailing her opponent. ‘The sweet spot a campaign needs to hit is the intersection between what makes the candidate special and what the voters feel they need,’ he explained, praising Mrs. Clinton’s values, spunk and resilience.”

They could always bring up her record in the Senate...
If she had one.....

I understand some college lacrosse team in new York state might win the national title....
Another chance to up her resume in the Senate a little.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Mud — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:48:05 GMT

Why is it that none of the Media Outlets have called her out on this yet? She has done several interviews since this has happened and yet she is getting a pass.

Is it true that the media wants to keep the race going until August so that they have something to write about?

This kind of things shouldn't be swept under the rug, it should be front and center to show how dishonest a candidate she really is.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

fortuna, Houston, TX — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:48:22 GMT

Keep up the good work, Senator Clinton. Drip, drip, drip.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

S.B. Stein E.B. NJ — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:55:10 GMT

So, how much of a change was there really? None to the somewhat informed. The title has changed, but beyond that the concern over conflict of interests is still there.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

branqua — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:55:31 GMT

Please check Hillary's record for Arkansas, she was on the board at Wal-Mart nad was against UNIONS, now in Pennsylvania she pretends she's for the underdog nad unions, such a liar..The people of Pennsylvania had better check her out. The video is on Utube, and she's speaking against unions....

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Steve, Jacksonville, Florida — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:59:01 GMT

How can she "be ready from day one" to run the White House if she has not been able or ready from day one to run her campaign?

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Diane from Illinois — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:01:41 GMT

They never said Mark Penn was "fired" from Hillary's campaign. They said he had "stepped aside". Big difference. He is STILL on the payroll and he is still advising her. She has even said that Mark Penn is "brilliant" and trusts the decisions he makes. (Sounds a lot like Karl Rove, doesn't it?) I hope the good people of PA are paying attention to this and know that as her campaign continues, her friend, Mark Penn, is negotiating with Columbia to get rid of even MORE American jobs overseas. I hope they tell her what they think at the polls!

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Daly, CA — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:03:18 GMT

What is most amazing is the fact that she still has any sort of lead in PA.
Twice now Clinton gang has been linked to offshoring. Nafta-gate that they then tried to blame on Obama and HRC was so out done and then this Colombia deal where again she says; Not me.
Colombia Prez Uribe spewed hate at BHO for being agains the agreement however nothing about HRC; I guess that is because she gave them the ole wink wink.
PA that giant sucking sound? HRC & Penn are making to case to steal not just your votes; they want your jobs too.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Chad / Houston, TX — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:05:27 GMT

I would sincerely like for one Clinton supporter to rationalize this for me; Penn was found to be directly involved in a trade agreement that Clinton had publicly disagreed with, Clinton did the right thing and had him resign from her campaign, and now it comes out that he really hasn't been removed from her campaign and will instead be serving pretty much the same role as before under a different title.

How is this not a dishonest move on the part of her campaign? Clearly he resigned for damage control, to ensure that his little scandal wouldn't hurt the Clinton campaign, but by keeping him on isn't Senator Clinton betraying the trust of those who have supported her?

How do you justify the fact that not only is one of Clinton's top advisers directly involved with a trade negotiation that she has claimed she doesn't support, but she has decided to "secretly" keep him involved in her campaign regardless of this supposed discrepancy on an issue that has been made an integral part of her bid for the Democratic nomination?

I'm not trying to call anybody out or throw egg in anyone's face, I simply want to understand how this issue is viewed from the other side.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

C.Myles; Atlantic, VA — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:06:14 GMT

More of the same from Hillary .... not in command, disorganized, not a good leader, more lies, and more excuses. She should not be considered even in the top-25 of democrats that should be running for President. Her candidacy is an embarrassment to the Party. But she is greart at dodging bullets in Bosnia.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

ArthurW from VA — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:12:11 GMT

Did Penn know that the employee of Burson-Marsteller allowed the Huffington Post reporter to listen in on the Penn-conference call? This is important to the analysis (if Penn knew, was he is trying to restake territory lost within the campaign or perhaps doing an Et tu Brute to the Clinton's). In either case, it marks a continued and unexpected unravelling of the Clinton campaign when they can least afford it...and continues to take the focus away from any weaknesses of Obama.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

shirley,san jose, ca — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:17:20 GMT

Hillary wants to be the 'first woman President', period. If she can't win with honesty and integrity, she will cheat and lie. I cannot imagine how anyone can continue to support her unless they refuse to acknowledge her past and present scandals. We have had a President and administration with the same ethics Hillary has demonstrated for the last 7 years, albet with Republic ideals instead of Democratic.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

MBM, Chicago, IL — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:19:00 GMT

Nixon (as he was at the end of his Presidency) would have been very proud of Hillary. Darn if the two of them don't share the same moral values and integrity. The end justifies any means. As long as they are the ones benefitted. The rules only apply to the other guy. And with Hillary, the rules never apply to the girl. Only the guy.

Isn't she just an out and out embarassment? This is truly a sad time for America when a person such as Hillary is a remaining candidate for the Office of President. She supposedly is a Democrat and yet she actively supports and condones the movement of jobs out of the country at a time when we are desperate for jobs. The Republicans may be altruistic, but at least they want to create jobs. Hillary, what was your share of Penn's Colombian fee?

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Robert Guardiola Omaha NE — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:24:25 GMT

It's funny how what comes around goes around. Clinton hammered Obama for the Canada take on NAFTA, now Penn talked to the Columbians and is ousted. Funny how this process is making a mockery of our system and that HRC won't go away with some dignity intact. She is wrecking the party's chance of winning in November.
We will need to seat our patriotic friends from Fla and MI and split their votes. What a mess and a big potential for major rift in the party. IF HRC WAS READY TO LEAD FROM DAY ONE, how is it that HRC lost 27 out of 41 primaries. Take your ball and go home!

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Esther Cassidy, NYC, NY — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:27:20 GMT

Senator Clinton is an experienced waffler -- legalistic -- and is proving herself over and over again how completely out of touch she is from real people who urgently need jobs. Is Mark Penn in or out? Does Senator Clinton listen to him? I thnk she does and doing so will continue to be her undoing... All Senator Obama has to do is what he has always done -- be honest with the voters and keep his very smart and compassionate political team with him. It sounds like they are telling him to tell the truth. And guess what Senator Clinton and Mr. Mark Penn, this time the voters really want the truth. Senator Clinton's continuing mistakes are making this race easier every day.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

bored in ne — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:31:22 GMT

Mud, the media would of course love to keep this race going - just to have ready made 'news' handed to them. But it is more than that now - how many outlets have added special programming and introduced new shows?? They now need this to continue for more important reasons - money. The cable news outlets are billing themselves as 'election headquarters' - for an election that will not be held until Nov.

This primary has become their replacement for Spears and Hilton et al. and is just as shallow.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

nick, new york, ny — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:37:13 GMT

Very interesting - Notice no hillary supporters have commented at ALL on this article? they are too busy not thinking. hillary is such a hypocrite - she says she is against special interests and lobbyists and then she has a lobbyist CEO as her chief campaign strategist. this is why most of obama's supporters are educated - because we think. we see this and say, "gee, it makes no sense to vote for her" while hillary's uneducated masses don't get informed or ignore the facts they choose to ignore. the diversity in this country is amazing.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Dennis king Alta Ca. — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:38:33 GMT

Hillarys claim to have been so relevent in Bills white house, logically translates to him being quite relevent in hers.I do not want the snake oil salesman running a town ,much less our government. The Clintons are politicians in the most negetive sense of the word.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

William Cast, miami fl — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:45:39 GMT

I believe Clinton and Obama are too involved with the group of individuals that ran US into this mess. Mc.Cain is the best of the worst. He is old,was never greedy and has little to envy. Others are in desperate. Than scares me.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

William Cast, miami fl — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:45:50 GMT

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Eddie Caplan, Fairfield, Iowa — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:55:03 GMT

This is an even worse turn of events for Sen. Clinton. After first making a big deal out of Penn's "conflict of interest", now she keeps him on anyway? She would have been better off taking the more familiar stonewall approach and deny there was anything wrong to begin with.

So much for experience.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Fred, Houston, Texas — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:06:52 GMT

wOW!! Mr. Penn still getting paid by the blue-collar donations given to Mrs. Clinton's campaign. What a spit on the face that must be...paying the guy who was trying to outsource your job. It seems Mr. Wolfson is on the same boat.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

SKumar, Memphis, TN — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:29:07 GMT

As usual nothing has changed so their expensive failing strategy continues i.e. "In Denial, Demonize anyone who supports Obama, win-at-any-cost, Kitchen Sink, Tanya Harding, Criticize the process, portray media as the enemy while claiming Fox as the most balanaced channel, keep changing the parameters or goals, shamelessly pad up resume, world owes it to them" strategy! How low you can go 'Billary'!

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

mike, los angeles — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:34:06 GMT

Mark Penn was paid $300,000 to get passed, through whatever means necessary, the free trade agreement. The Clintons were paid $15 million by the Saudis for.. um.. consulting. The Clinton Library keeps donors of its $500 million .. um .. secret. This is just frightening.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Carrie L. — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:41:19 GMT

Well, I can't speak for all Hillary supporters, but as for myself, I was too busy laughing after reading Obama's statement that he has more foreign policy experience than either McCain or Clinton because he vacationed in Pakistan for 3 weeks during college! Talk about resume padding. But I guess when you got as little as he does, you have to take what you can.
Heck, I think I should be head of the State Department because spent 2 years in Germany and have vacationed in 8 different countries on 5 different continents!

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Evelyn, Austin, TX — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:42:32 GMT

Oh c'mon. Bring to light that all political operatives and pollsters have clients on all sides of the issues. Be fair.
Aren't some on Obama's team associated as lobbyists with an Illinois Nuclear Company that Obama seemed to fight against but not really in a watered down Illinois state bill that left many Illinois environmentalists wondering whose side he was really on?
Why don't you please also report on that...

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

Theresa R., Benicia, CA — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:03:47 GMT

Olberman hit it out of the park last night with regard to HRC, her judgement, and the people she chooses to retain on her campaign. Truth Decay was what he called it.

I also shudder at how so many people think they would be voting for Hillary when it is actually Bill who is vying to be president on the downlow. When the media starts explaining Penn's presence like a joint decision to be made by both the Clintons and that supposedly he is the one who "pressured" Hillary into keeping Penn on the team, it lets me see that her promise to keep Bill in check are a joke. This is HER campagin and if she'd actually run it like a woman of true power, substance and competency she may have very well have wrapped this thing up back on Feb. 5th instead of acting like Obama did something to her other than run a good campaign lumps,bumps and all.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

John Doe, San Francisco, CA — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:09:38 GMT

If the media can use "Nepal" and "India" police arresting protestors' photo to indicate the Chinese government's wrong doing, they can do anything.
It is very sad to see there are some journalists out there do not have any moral.

Clinton: Penn still 'in the loop'?

wlbill adams — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:17:31 GMT

Like Nixon is a fair comparison. Hillary even makes her speeches like Nixon. Remember his little dog fireside speech when he uses the "and you know" clause over and over as "and you know, we are going to keep the little dog". Now recall or re-listen to Hillary's speeches when she uses the same clause again and again when she wants to invoke your sympathy and demostrate what a soft heart she has for the those poor souls who just can't make it without her help as president.