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Carol, Ca — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:13:31 GMT

If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen!!! It was clear that Senator Obama can not take the heat...there were tough questions to both debate participants, Obama's inexperience and judgement was on display for all to see.

He is no match for McCain!! The "baggage" he has would sink the Titanic!!

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Rob, Philadelphia, PA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:15:06 GMT

I'm glad that the headlines are indeed showing that lopsided nature of this debate. I'm an Obama supporter but would have to concede that Hillary won (with the moderators support). Bill Richardson may not still feel loyal to the Clintons, but apparently George Stephanopoulus does. As a PE voter, I feel cheated that our debate was mainly about dirty laundry rather than about the issues.

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Tommy Lieberman, Orlando Flordida — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:15:17 GMT

Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers in the 1990’s, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid, underlined PAID directorship position. They worked together, attended fundraisers together, Ayers held fundraisers and was a contributor to Obama’s Chicago’s campaign, plus they are neighbors and visited each other quite often. Enough said. This relationship deserves being vetted. What’s your fear? If Obama has nothing to fear. His associations with Farrahkan, Wright, Ayers and Refko should be fully vetted.

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JohnnyU, WA State — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:18:22 GMT

Great job by Barack! The ABC "moderators" seemed intent on HELPING Hillary throw the sink at him, and he handled it all beautifully. This will continue to backfire on Hillary. Barack wants to lift the country up. Hillary wants to tear Barack down. I support building the country up! GOD knows we need it. Enough of their old bully politics.

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mark, milwaukee,wi — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:18:23 GMT

i think the unfair treatment of sen Obama by the mass media is horrible, i the views are really one sided and they need to consider making some changes of the hosts for different opinions "like some people of color".

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Sam, Muncie, Ind. — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:19:01 GMT

What a disgusting display! You have a Clinton lapdog in Snufalupagus who uses Republican talking points from none other than Sean Hannity to waste half the debate taking aim at Obama for inane BS. Thanks for your assault on our intelligence and complete avoidance of serious issues Americans care about in order to get your tabloid firing squad fix.

Every day we witness why change is necessary in BOTH parties. Clinton and her lackey disgust me.

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Jim F, Greensboro, NC — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:19:09 GMT

If Obama is losing debates, why are superdelegates continuing to move toward him and away from Hillary?
Barack has picked up 5 SD's this week while HRC has picked up none.

I think this ambush/debate last night will bring even more superdelegates out of the wookwork for Barack Obama.

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Brian M de. — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:20:38 GMT

A media set -up Just as a revote in Fl. and Mi.Would be under the finances of A Hillary supporter.Dude get a grip you dont Like Obama, Mr montanaro and anything to try and shine a negative light on him is the story that you run with.

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Pam OC,CA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:20:41 GMT

Absolutely the worst debate EVER!! They should be ashamed, and the voters in Pennsylvania appalled they did not have the opportunity until HALFWAY through the debate to hear the candidates discussing the ISSUES that are important to them. Disgraceful.

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Tania — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:21:42 GMT

Could Clinton have "set-up" the questions, given George, Nutter, and Rendell have "connections" with her?.

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Ken, Sterling, VA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:22:14 GMT

I'm glad that Keith Olbermann, at least, reminded people that the first part of the "debate" last night was basically "let's attack Obama" by a guy who used to work for the Clintons in the White House (I guess he's not a Judas, eh Carville?) and who got one of the questions from Sean Hannity. I can understand them wanting Clinton to be the nominee, but when the GOP, in essence, is helping you to get there? C'mon. It's bad enough one "Democrat" will likely speak at the GOP convention.

I know Stephanopolous left the Clinton White House before the end of Bill's term, and that he's been the host of "This Week" for awhile, but does anyone else see there's even a perception of bias there? Made worse by the fact that the first half of the debate had zero to do with policy - something Obama tried to tell them - and was mostly about people he knows. Meantime Hillary gets one question on her Bosnia lie, apologizes and says she needs more sleep (no 3am wake up call?), and Obama let it go - I'd like to think because he knew that'd been hashed enough.

To be fair, I did applaud when Stephanopolous pressed Hillary on the question of "could Obama beat McCain" and forced her to commit to an answer. So now her campaign can stop saying "Obama can't beat McCain".

Obama may have gotten surprised by the Ayers question, but he had a nice riposte when noting that Bill Clinton pardoned some of that group's members. And of course, Hillary is so hot to claim that time as experience for her, except when it doesn't benefit her.

If NBC gets to run another debate, could you guys have Olbermann moderate it? At least I feel I'd get to hear about ISSUES.

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Dr.Strangedog, DETROIT — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:22:48 GMT

I didn't know Chuck Todd was THAT opposed to Obama. The most interesting thing I find is how time tells the political tale. The subtext of this race seems to be bringing all that normally lies dormant to the light.

The "debate" illustrated this to the fullest. I would ask my fellow voters how does a flag pin make someone a better president? Why not an American ring or star spangled glasses?

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CherieJ KCMO — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:23:10 GMT

This was just a travesity created by ABC with no help for the voters. Obama is great and will overcome. HRC is just trying to bring him down-we need her out of there.

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Sam Neill, College Park, PA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:24:54 GMT

When did Obama start stuttering? As the questions get more pointed toward him, he's now himing and hawing through his answers. He doesn't look decisive or as if he'd be much of a leader.

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Ellie Iglesias — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:25:39 GMT

No doubt that Clinton won last night, and all previous debates, there is no subtance to Obama's ideology or campaign, e.g. change needs to come from the people? ok. And just for those(including reportes and newscasters) that are saying that Clinton went on the attack in last night's debate, please watch it again, the questions regarding Obama's past comments and associations came from the moderators, not Clinton. It definitely makes me question his "judgement" of association to various individuals and groups.

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Amy B Portland, ME — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:28:10 GMT

I tossed and turned last night after watching the debate. In my mind I conjured an imaginary candidate who turned the tables on Charlie, Hillary and George and berated them for their lack of patriotism. I wish Obama had put them in their place. This country is in the decline, let down by our leaders and the media. Somehow its not enough just to boycott ABC News and This Week. This morning I am seriously pondering a move to Canada. I have my passport and I am near the border. I don't love America today. I'm sorry, I don't. We don't deserve super power status. We have degenerated beyond redemption.

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rita forte — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:33:10 GMT

More than 12,000 comments on ABC website; 90% or more negative against ABC; calls for ABC News, Stephanapolous and Gibson to apologize to the American public.

What a sham debate!

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joan chicago il — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:34:05 GMT

Good Job Hillary, now because Obama look so down and angry been confronted, some people are saying that it was because ABC, ja ja ja ja ja, good excuse.

Obama is not capable to handle criticism, he is not good when he is confronted and he needs to explain, he look like unable to handle rush situation, I DONT THINK HE CAN HANDLE MCCAIN IN NOVEMBER.

Hillary shows that she is the one. SUPERDELAGATES, don’t be making decision because your children like Obama, it’s the future of this country, don’t be stupid making decision based on childhood’s impression

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Keith Glegg, Ontario, Canada — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:35:24 GMT

Couldn't find the moderators. All I saw was two hold-up men trying to kill a man behind a lectern, with a female onlooker. Seems a shame that ABC presented the hold-up in some kind of historical context, for it only served to sully the place, the time and the context. Shame on ABC for indulging in false advertising--wasn't a debate as billed, just a miserable reality almost-murder show, which, fortunately, didn't succeed. Wonder what the job market is for aging failed hold-up men.

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Vote, Philadelphia, PA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:35:30 GMT

I live in Philly and like so many others, the debate last night was viewed as a pathetic farce. When this race began, I and so many others had high hopes for a different kind of Democratic Change. One that would lift the country up out of it's current bottom brought upon by the stranglehold of failures from the current administration.

I have lost any respect I might have had for Sen. Clinton. I expected some change from Sen. Clinton's campaign. My opinion of the media to spin news and negative feeds of the Democratic race into a pile of .... has been validated. Sen. Obama captured my interest from his first speech at the National Convention. Despite the gaffs and misspoken statements he or his campaign may have made, I still see him as the candidtate to bring about the most "Change" in the country. I'm tired of "Politics as Usual". That's why we are where we are today with the failing economy, health care & foreign sentiment.

I now want a swift end to this Democratic race. My opportunity to contribute to this will be in the form of casting my vote in the coming days. I urge the voters of PA and the Superdelegates, to now join me in bringing an end to this "Political Rendition of Survivor" (more like "LOST") and capture the remaining months to plan and prepare for the final campaign between the two parties. We have lost ground Democrats! Supers...stop being spectators in what looks like a schoolyard brawl. Step in, break this up, and let's get back to the business at hand.

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campdog — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:36:05 GMT

I don't understand the gripe about Obama being asked tough questions about his past relationships, teh flag etc.

I am a Clinton supporter but I've always thought these comments about Obama and the flag and the comments about his being a Moslem were absurd and I saw teh questions asked of him as giving him an opportunity to point out how absurd they are.

If Obama didn't want to here questions about the flag he could simply start wearing a flag pin...but he hasn't and he was given an explaination as to why he hasn't. Same thing applies to his past associations. I respect Obama's right to associate with anyone he might choose but he should be mature enough to understand that everything he does is going to be pick over again and again.

Let's not forget Eliot Spitzer in New York.....

Spitzer was thought of as a real Mr. Clean sort of Pol. Now, with the passage of time (and after the election) we find there was a person within that nobody knew was there.

This is not a situation we want to emerge after we elect our President..... So sorry Hill...sorry B Man...sorry everybody that thinks comparitive politcs is negative. This is the way it works.

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Eric, Eau Claire, Wisconsin — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:36:23 GMT

Why do so few people get it? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! We have two honorable and qualified candidates for the White House on the Democratic side, why don't we celebrate that and focus on the differences on their stands on the issues at stake here, versus harping and sniping and criticizing and dredging up every minor point from their past and mis-statements? These are two very human and flawed people, as are we all, who happen to love this country and believe that we have had enough of an administration that cares nothing about law and rights and dignity! They both support change and I believe would do a fine job as president. We need to let the media and these candidates know that we demand a campaign that focuses on ISSUES, not who can't bowl or why someone drank a shot of Canadian whiskey instead of Jack Daniels! We have to come together and demand action on the real issues facing us; the economy, health care, social security (or insecurity), THE WAR, poverty, jobs, education, crime, and the list goes on and on and on!!!

We all must unite and stand together and DEMAND a discussion on the issues and then VOTE together to make sure that in November the party that still remembers how to care for ALL people wins the Presidency, the Senate and the House. It's not "win at any cost" it's win because of the cost of the alternative!

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CitizenJ — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:40:10 GMT

The moderators were pathetic. They did a disservice to BOTH candidates. They pushed both of them to make the campaign-killing pledge of "No New Taxes". They pushed and pushed on questions until they got the answers that THEY wanted.

And who gives a sh** about a flag pin!? That is 10 minutes of my life I will never get back, and will hold that grudge against Gibson and Snufalufagus forever.

Goodbye ABC, hello National Enquirer.

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markus, Boston, MA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:40:45 GMT

there were so many jokes about NBC's debates being biased toward Obama...

I wanna know, when did ABC News endorse Hillary???

The first 40 minutes was not a debate, it was a basic onslaught by both opponent AND moderators. I've never seen a debate so incredibly lopsided!!!! ABC News should be ashamed. The Post got it right when they said both MSNBC AND CNN did a better job moderating...

Through it all, not Obama's best night, but after that kind of BARRAGE, I think he handled himself about as well as can be expected. Hillary would've been whining, "oh, you're picking on me because I'm a woman!".

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Kim Derr, Millville, PA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:41:54 GMT

I was an undecided Democrat PA voter prior to the Debate. I was listening to each candidate with an open mind as to who would be best positioned to actually make the changes this country needs - economically, environmentally, health care and international policy (including Iraq and Iran). My feeling after the debate was that Hillary clearly had the broader oversight and knowledge of the political hurdles which must be crossed to institute change. I strongly feel she is the best candidate to make the changes. Barak Obama, while his ideas were sound seemed to me to be somewhat naive and inexperienced as to the process of change.

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CTJ, Annapolis, MD — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:43:26 GMT

Senator Obama is not inexperienced. He may not have as much as Hillary but she gets most of hers from being Bill's wife. Personally, all her suppose experience is that she has learned how to be a actress and a far better liar!!!

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Len Briggs — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:44:26 GMT

<< If Obama is losing debates, why are superdelegates continuing to move toward him and away from Hillary?
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Nobody has ever accused the Democrats of being smart.

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Kevin, Austin, TX — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:44:54 GMT

What a joke. 51 minutes of lets attack Obama for his associations. No mention of the huge conflict of interest in Colombia with Mrs. Clinton. A far more important discussion than whether Mr. Obama sat on a board and was friendly with an ex-convict, ex-radical. (Do you really believe he's going to become president and then start planting bombs?) What I'd like to know is, if Mrs. Clinton is going to go back on her word about her opposition to NAFTA and CAFTA considering the fact that her husband (and herself by proxy) earns money suppporting those two AND her top adviser (who still works for her) was actively supporting the deal, while she was shilling against it. Let's talk about that association.

Also, why are the pundits, today (Mr. Todd?) discussing Mrs. Clinton's "umbrella of security" in the Middle East. Are we seriously going to become so involved in Saudia Arabia, Dubai, UAE that we'd launch a massive counter-attack, if Iran attacked one of them?

This is substance, let's discuss that.

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Odell Jones, Atlanta, GA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:45:19 GMT

I find it "laughable" that anyone questions the moderators. They have the right to ask any questions, just like the pro-obama moderators from cnn and msnbc.

That being said, Obama looked:tired,angry, annoyed and unpresidential in the face of tough questioning.

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David, Indianapolis, IN — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:47:24 GMT

I can truly say that the only fair question HRC got asked by George S. was: "Is Sen. Obama electable?" HRC's response was, "Yes, yes, yes!!" Despite the fact Goerge S and the Clintons fell out with each other long ago, I still felt it was a conflict of interest for him to be moderating this debate, as he was strictly biased, barring the one question I mentioned above, and his slip was definitely showing. There was no pretense of this debacle even being fair and balanced. Fair and balanced does not even denote Fox News, much less. ABC News. If crap were a flower, they would be a bouquet. I guess it shows if the media itself focuses on a flag pins versus people losing their jobs and homes, it clearly demonstrates that the press is elitist, out of touch, and they cling to non-issues, as they generate ratings over substantive issues. With HRC clearly and resoundingly admitting that Obama is electable, she effectively gutted her own central argument to the superdelegates. Obama held his own despite being gang-raped……

Obama '08 "We are what we have been waiting for."

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stix66-illinois — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:47:53 GMT

again, MOST of us got it! as some of the nations news has reported, this was a poor display of moderating a debate ..that didn't come until the last 30 minutes of the show. the first 50 minutes was nothing more than 'he said, she said'..and Obama held his own against the constant badgering, mostly by George, which I found interesting in the text of his relationship with the Clintons.

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Doug, MN — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:48:14 GMT

In an election tailor made for ANY Democrat to win the election, it's still mind boggling that the Clinton campaign with the assistance of some Republican moderators continue to anything in their power to undermine the leading candidate.

Barack Obama will be the Dem candidate and it's time to start backing him 100% so that we don't end up with another 8 years of war mongering and economy crashing. WAKE UP PEOPLE! If you love this country you will help get it back on track, strengthen the middle class (the backbone of a capatilist nation) and reject this campaign negativity.

SEND A MESSAGE PENNSYLVANIA, VOTE OBAMA AND END THIS PRIMARY BEFORE IT DESTROYS THE ONE CHANCE WE HAVE TO REMOVE THE REPUBLICANS BEFORE THEY HAVE THEIR WAY AND REMOVE THE MIDDLE CLASS!

Do you love your children? Then, protect their futures. As an independent voter, I can see the "lesser of two evils", not only from a party standpoint, but even within the Dem Party.

OBAMA IN 08!

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Steve, NY — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:49:01 GMT

Finally the media starts to vet Obama. Too late for Clinton. Too bad. I guess McCain will be the next President after Obama's dirty laundry gets aired.

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Brother Odd — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:49:33 GMT

I always knew that if the press started getting touph on the rock star the real person would come out. He can't take the heat. Neither can his supporters.

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Robert C, Kokomo, IN — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:49:47 GMT

As an undecided voter, I would have liked to hear the candidates' positions on the housing crisis, Bear Stearns bailout, Fed rate cuts, the decline of public education, the role of the executive branch in Government, the feasibility of a diplomatic solution in Iraq, etc., -- you know, things that matter -- rather than flag pins, "sniper fire" and "bitter" gaffes, loose associations with controversial people, etc. -- you know, things that don't.

I certainly hope people are voting on criteria more profound than who-knows-who and who-said-what-about-whom. Am I back in high school?

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donna, pgh., pa. — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:51:07 GMT

What a nasty mess. No real concern over the suffering of the non-rich except from Senator Obama. He was the only human being present last night. The rest acted like rabid dogs. His was the only voice there with an intention to speak to the problems plaguing the American people, and not to further some twisted agenda.

This, as all other trials he has had to face, will turn in his favor. Already undecideds, and even some Clintons supporters are turned off, and considering Obama as the candidate they will endorse.

It is human nature to turn against falsehood. Watch Barack's numbers go up, as Hillary's plummet even more.

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Peggy Green, The Villages, FL — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:51:41 GMT

Bill Ayer's relationship whould be more fully vetted. It is true that it was after Obama met Ayers that he he had a very quick political rise. Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn have continued to. spread their anti-American message through college students for many years. Obama has been friends with Ayers for 12-15 years. And you're telling me that Obama being associated with Rev. Wright(anti-American) and Ayers(antiAmerican) for 20 years, that He (Obama) is not anti-American himself. This association is scary.You noticed Obama never answered the question about his relationship with Bill Ayers. This is not about something that happened 40 years ago, this is about the scary anti-American people who are trying to get one of their own elected President of the United States. Many of you Obama lovers need to do your research.

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Mary OK — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:52:15 GMT

In my opinion, Barack has been given a pass by the media until lately. Clinotn has had to endure all kinds of questions about her personality (rember the likeability question in NH?) She answers them, genreally stays cool and gracious towards Obama- she is clearly used to it.

This debate showed Obama to be peeved and frustrated about having to answer questions about his own negatives. His message of rasing the level of political discourse for the first time sounded like a dodge of questions directed against him that others have had to deal with for years.

Obama supporters do not like it when the media dishes out the same treatment to him as they have to Clinton and other politicians. The bloom is off his rose - finally. Now maybe people will get get around to evaluating whether he can really handle the job he seeks at this point in his career.

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Joe, Glen Rose, Texas — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:53:12 GMT

One of the many reasons to avoid Disney channels like ABC is they act like FoxNews. Didn't get to the #1 issue for over an hour...and why was George moderating, didn't he work for Clinton's when he was president?
I think this was bash Obama night and Obama dealt with it head on. This will hurt the Clinton campaign even more as they focus on things other than issues as they did last evening.
I thought it was kind of funny when Obama brought up the folks that Bill Clinton pardoned...Hillary sure didn't want to make her time then and passed the opportunity to rebut. She is running scared!

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Rodney, Gaithersburg, MD — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:53:43 GMT

I don't think Obama was "rattled" when asked the Ayers question. I felt he was just frustrated by the fact he had to answer questions on everything but the issues that matter to America. I have acquaintences in both my professional and personal life that may have done things I might not condone. Their life choices, however, have no bearing on how I do my job. This should be the same for our presidential candidates as well. All three candidates may know people that may done things that were inappropriate (HRC is till married to one!!). But what really matters is what they can do for the country when they are elected.

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Dee, Hermitage, TN — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:54:30 GMT

The question for me is should George Stephanopolus been allowed to even moderate the debate since he was part of the Clinton Whitehouse? I am sure that ABC had others who qualify to moderate. It was obvious that both moderators had an agenda but I think that the American people are much smarter than the media gives them credit for being. If the People begin to participate in politics as Senator Obama advocates then it is not advantageous to the Corporate Media so it is important that they take him down. If Bill Clinton pardoning the weather underground is not more important than sitting on a Charity Board with someone then I ask the Media, by suggestion of Chuck Todd, what's the real purpose of delving into the story? Yes politicians and the media do want to distract people to talk about guns, religion, patriotism and immigration so that they can keep control of the real agenda.

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Houston — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:56:03 GMT

This was one of the most poorly moderated debates in history. I couldn't even tell from the Washington Post article what was said on policy issues.

The "moderators" just attacked Obama for 50 minutes. This looks like another case of Gibson and Stephanopoulos, both members of elitist white corporate media, going after the "uppity" black man.

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Bill Birmingham, Kansas City, MO — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:57:33 GMT

This was Barack Versus, Hillary, George, Charlie, ABC News Sean Hannity and the other New Yort Right Wing Radio Host. It is an absolute shame, than an actual political question is not asked until an hour into the debate...and that Barack was relentlessly hounded with backup question after backup question while Hillary was allowed to tip toe through the tulips and was not pressed at all on her Lies about Bosnia or Macedonia. I was happy to see Barack not stoop to their levels even though he had ample opportunity to do so. Hillary is more intent to show why you shouldn't vote for Barack instead of why you should vote for her...I guess it's because her entire candidacy is built on a lie. SHAME ON HILLARY and those who support her if they believe the fraud of a debate was legit. She couldn't even look into the camera when she was running the man down. This just further let's me know my support of Barack is correct.

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Bill Depp — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:59:28 GMT

Barack was horrible..he looked annoyed and uncomfortable trying to defend his mentor Rev Wright....this is not a person who can beat McCain and is not trustworthy. He looked as if "how dare they question me!". a POOR PERFORMANCE!

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INDEPENDENT WITH EYES OPEN — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:00:47 GMT

It floors me that we dems aren't bright enough to see that electing Barak Obama would be like electing another George Bush. The only difference is, that he talks better--an improvement, no doubt. But it has become obvious that he is arrogant, just like Bush. Doesn't handle critisism well, just like Bush. Talks of "uniting", but is truly very devisive. Is inexperienced in foreign affairs, just like Bush.
HAVEN'T WE LEARNED ANYTHING, PEOPLE?!

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Chris Barker,wolcott,Ct. — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:01:53 GMT

I have to the conclusion that the media and some politicians have no idea what real middle class Americans want.I am a bitter American,and so are many others.America needs to replace its ageing politicians with young minds and new ideas.Clinton and McCain are a part of the problem recycling old ideas.

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B. Thompson — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:02:33 GMT

That "debate" last night WAS NOT a debate. It was let's ATTACK Obama with tabloid news issues and then label him as being on the DEFENSIVE. I'M TIRED OF DIRTY POLITICS. I'M TIRED OF THE MEDIA PROMOTING THEIR OWN AGENDA. I'M TIRED OF JOURNALISTS BEING ON A WITCH HUNT TO PROMOTE THEIR CANDIDATE! That's what that "debate" consisted of last night. What happened to issues that mind to the masses? All these questions to Obama were designed to whet the fears of the blue collar Americans that the republicans have so effectively manipulated for decades to win elections. I pray that this tactic will backfire. It's time out for these type of campaigns and these type of politicians. I will vote for Obama. The sad thing is that I started out as a Hillary supporter. I am disgusted with the turn of events in her effort to win this nomination. The behind the scene maneuvering, the misinterpretation and blatant attempt to distort the truth, the divisive tactic of using an opponents "true" misstatement against him for political purposes has totally turned me off. And, to see a former president reduce himself to the same type of divisive politics that they so effectively used to blame the "right wingers" for when he was in office, has totally made me an anti-Clinton voter. Had someone told me this 10 years ago, I wouldn't have believed it. I look forward to voting for Obama in Pennsylvania on April 22.

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Ron Bergman East Moline, Il. — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:02:48 GMT

This was as much as a ABC endostment for Clinton as I have ever seen! If the debate was suppose to be about this countries problems, then why was it a whole hour of lets attack Obama. I would not recomend that anyone watch the reruns of the debate if it was even lucky enough to be shown again.

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Rod Laver, NY — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:04:36 GMT

The debate never got to the so called "policy issues", because there are no differences between Obama or Clinton. Both are social liberals, economic liberals, protectionists, and as green as Al Gore. What's left to debate?

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Cindy Caprio — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:06:07 GMT

A pathetic performance by Obama....poor Obama did not like be asked anything about his negatives. His disdain was showing. Looks like it is too late for Clinton...President McCain...sounds that way as Obama cannot and should not win. Since when do we vote for a cult of personality and no actual subtance?

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Barry Hill — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:06:16 GMT

The moderators and McCain won the debate. I was so ashamed by ABCnews. Almost an hour into the debate before any real issues facing the voters was brought up. Clinton, in infuriating 'oh he's a good man, BUT' mode, and Obama carefully measuring each delivery, but weathering the triple-teaming pretty well. I hope the negativity backfires on all of them. Pennsylvanians, so far in the polls, aren't falling for it. God bless them.

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Hank Dutchess — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:07:26 GMT

Stephanopolus should be ashamed of himself, as should Charlie Gibson. Asking Obama why he doesn't wear a lapel pin? Give me a break! His flag is in his heart-where mine is as well. He doesn't need to drap it all over everything he wears just to pander to others who do just that.

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Cindy Lou, TX — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:11:18 GMT

Obama did very well, considering what turned out to be a right-wing debate among two biased moderators and an opponent vying for position on McCain's ticket. I loved Obama's answers about Ayers; they were zingers!

Of one thing I am certain; if you were a voter who wanted to know where both candidates stood on issues, you are still in the dark. Wednesday's so-called debate was nothing more than bad reality television.

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Lindi — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:11:29 GMT

I was amazed at how abc moderators couldn't even carmourflage their obvious bias against Obama and their strategy to fight Hillary's battles to prove they are more loyal than Richardson.They could not even bring themselves to asking the Bosnia question resorting to using a viewer so as to soften the blow.Unlike what they were doing with Obama,following up with questions after any of his explanations,they let hillary's apology of the sniper lies go unchallenged.
If they were hoping for a big kill with People of PA it has backfired coz that is not what we bargained for we have real issues that we needed answers to not all this tabloid material,we have the national enquiry taking care of this

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Ivana Mann, Providence, RI — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:12:25 GMT

McCain looks soooo much better after watching the Obama debate last night! Obama does not like to be actually questioned on what he says or does...it angers him and makes him sweat...I dont blame him since it is impossible to defend Rev Wright and his other buddies.

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Stacey from DC — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:13:12 GMT

This is why the networks are on the decline. ABC hosted a debate that failed to advance the debate. The bias exhibited last night was a disgrace. Shame on ABC. We have voted in the recent past on wedge issues. As a result we have been complicit in the situation we find ourselves in. The type of politics played out last night has resulted in a less safe America, a five year war in the middle of Arabia and the drum beat for another war, an economy in shambles, suffering from everything from a redistribution of wealth, no health care plan, failing school systems and infrastructures, a housing crises and job losses. Yet ABC asks questions about ministers, flags and who the candidates know. Maybe they like the status quo. In fact doesn't political division fuel their industry. In fact the media counts on it. Individuals have made fortunes and I'm not just talking about Rush Limbaugh and FOX as shown by ABC's behavior last night.
However, if you going to act like a tabloid at least keep it equitable. That's what a debate is. They should have grilled Senator Clinton for 40 minutes, interrupting her, tag teaming her on issues like Bosnia or the fact that 6 out of 10 Americans don't trust her. They might have asked her "how can you lead when 6 out of 10 Americans think you aren't truthful" or "how can you bring people together when your negatives are higher than your positives" or how can you win when most Americans feel you are not electable" or "why should we believe you have judgement when you supported Goldwater, voted for the war in Iraq and recently a similar resolution for Iran"? Why didn't George ask Senator Clinton about her judgement and experience and truthfulness on trade issues like NAFTA and the Colombian trade deal. Why has she yet to fire Mr. Penn. Why did they not ask her about her experience and management style exhibited during failed campaign strategy and if this would be the model for her presidency. Why did the not ask about her disdain for working class people and more traditional women as exhibited by her previous comments.

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Terri, Omaha, NEE — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:14:24 GMT

It's too bad the commentators didn't think the debate should be about the real issues facing this country. The National Enquirer would have done a better job.

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Andreas Sarris — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:15:36 GMT

there is at least the appearence of partiality, when the moderators include Stephanopoulos, who served in the Clinton White House for years. He should not have been allowed as a moderator. As to Ayers, is someone going to be accountable for all and any dirty laundry of any one who serves with in board of trustees of charitable organizations? This is guilt by association, and smacks at least of macCarthyism. With the same logic we should demand resignations or crucify any public figure who served on boards of trustees with anyone who gets convicted or is accused of any crime.

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lin, nyc — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:18:33 GMT

it all comes down to experience, but here is a thought...every dreamer (Obama) needs an experienced fighter (Clinton), who knows about the dirty politics of D.C. (last time i checked there are more dirty ones) on their side; let's remember America, we have a very short attention span and when Pres. Obama starts stuttering among the BIG DOGS you gonna wish the Bull Dog (Clinton) was there to fight back!! Let's realize their symbiotic relationship and make them come together. Now that would really bother the McCain camp!!

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PHarris — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:18:45 GMT

The difference between the two candidates: Hillary (and the Moderators to some degree) kept trying to keep the personal attacks going. If anyone recalls, when Senator Obama was asked about the Bosnia incident (the only Clinton question), he could have layed into her dishonesty trait. Instead, he moved the topic in a different direction. He wanted to focus on the important topics so undecided Americans could make a decision based how each candidates' stance on various policies fit theirs. He engages people. Not turns them away. George S. using questions from Hannity and another right wing person. Still holding the Clinton flag, huh Georgie?

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Tex, Port Aransas, Texas — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:19:26 GMT

I wish Mr. Stephanopoulos had refused to moderate that debate. He was Bill Clinton's best campaign advisor, and stiil a friend of the Clinton family. And, he is only human. You cannot expect him to be somewhat leaning toward a friend. He is, again, only human. Thus, Obama was gang up on, albeit unintentionally. I pray that the people of the US and especially Pennsylvania see this, and rise up to defend Mr. Obama.

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D Bailey Houston TX — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:21:18 GMT

Hillary Clinton should never refer to Rev Wright and should not say she would have left the church. She said you cant pick your family but you can pick your pastor. Wrong, you can pick your husband.A lot of people have stayed in relationships gone bad and she of all people should understand that.

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Ann in Virginia — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:24:01 GMT

This is the first presidential race that I have followed this closely since the late 1960's. I have learned that the press may be the most despicable part of this whole thing. Keep it up guys. Eventually no one will run for anything and then what will you have to do. And by the way would someone let me know where to get the news (read objective facts). I am capable of interpreting it myself.

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Helen Jack Cambridge MA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:24:14 GMT

The debate was a travesty. No real issues until the end when we were all too annoyed to pay attention any more. If I had any respect for Hillary Clinton, it went out the window last night. She has no business running for President if all she can do is attack anyone who gets in her way. Insofar as the moderators.......YUCK! Don't you guys ever think of important issues to talk about?

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Laura L — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:26:32 GMT

Clinton-Obama Debate: ABC Decides Top Issues Facing Americans Are Gaffes, Flag Pins and '60s Radicals

By Greg Mitchell

Published: April 16, 2008 10:15 PM ET

NEW YORK In perhaps the most embarrassing performance by the media in a major presidential debate in years, ABC News hosts Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolous focused mainly on trivial issues as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama faced off in Philadelphia.

Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the health care and mortgage crises, the overall state of the economy and dozens of other pressing issues had to wait for their few moments in the sun as Obama was pressed to explain his recent "bitter" gaffe and relationship with Rev. Wright (seemingly a dead issue) and not wearing a flag pin while Clinton had to answer again for her Bosnia trip exaggerations.

Then it was back to Obama to defend his slim association with a former '60s radical -- a question that came out of rightwing talk radio and Sean Hannity on TV, but delivered by former Bill Clinton aide Stephanopolous. This approach led to a claim that Clinton's husband pardoned two other '60s radicals. And so on.

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native american, 32 yr old. military wife, Columbia SC — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:26:46 GMT

As an American citizen, my take on the flag pin is this....for the last EIGHT years, we've been told by Bush that we need to "bring it on"....throw a bumper sticker on our cars, a lapel pin on our shirt and take our kids to Disneyland...meanwhile, while we thought we were on some fun rides....people have lost their homes, people have lost their jobs, soldiers have fought bravely and lost their lives. I love America enough not to sell it out.

**A proud Army wife**

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Garba — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:28:56 GMT

Why didn't Charlie and George come out from the onset and declare that they are in Hillary's camp? After watching for the first hour or so, I was so flabbergasted I had to switch it off. Why did the Directors and Producers of the debate find it necessary to show us Princess Chelsea not once but many times during that debate. And, Hillary show have done the honorable thing and dissuade the "moderators" and not pounce on everything like a vulture.

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Kat, Miami, Fl — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:31:39 GMT

Golly gee, what a bunch of tough questions! Flag pins? Weather Underground? Good work adressing the Kook Brigade's number one concerns and leaving real, thinking people who want to know about actual issues in the lurch.

"McCain looks soooo much better after watching the Obama debate last night! Obama does not like to be actually questioned on what he says or does...it angers him and makes him sweat...I dont blame him since it is impossible to defend Rev Wright and his other buddies."

I'd be mad if someone asked me about Weather Underground and grilled me about personal issues that have already been done-to-death in the media and have nothing to do with real policies for helping a struggling America.

I'd be mad as hell!!

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Sheila, Austin, TX — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:32:54 GMT

Obama mentioned during the debate that although Hillary has so much experience, much of her experience has taught her that this type of debate is what politics is about. She is a fighter and unfortunately she has learned that fighting is more important than truth or integrity or negotiating. If she were more of a negotiater than a fighter, I think that she would have gotten the health care passed during her husband's term. But maybe it had to be her way or no way at that time, so only fighting and no negotiating means no healthcare plan. She learned tabloid politics because she was assaulted with so much of them, so she thinks this is what must be done.

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Tyro, Arlington, VA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:34:27 GMT

Aiding and Abetting is a crime...this is what Hillary did with those moderators. It was a "death by a thousand cuts" and every chance Hillary got she teamed up with those ABC losers for another slice at Obama...and she wonders why her credibility rating is taking a nose dive!

One thing for sure, I will never watch another ABC tv show, I lost all respect for Charlie Gibson and George Stupidopolis is a Clinton hire. This was a complete hit job against Obama. Im all for vetting but last night was totally ridiculous. ABC should be shamed and Hillary is a "mad" woman. All we, the voters, wanted to hear was policies, policies and what we got was conservative right wing bull crap. I won't be surprised if the super delegates came out of the closet for Obama to end this "shock & awe" attempt to destroy the democratic race.

What a waste...so sad...

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John Anas — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:36:35 GMT

I am a Clinton supporter but I have to say i was embarrassed by the debate last night. The only person looking like a grown up on that stage was Senator Obama, who handled his inquisition with some dignity. He earned my respect.

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C.B, Miami, FL — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:36:55 GMT

Last night a debate was preposterous. Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolous deserved an award for the worst broadcaster ever. The result was arguably one of Mr. Obama’s weakest debate performances thanks to Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolous. I know Mrs. Clinton is experience, and she want to be Commander and Chief, but a debate as poorly organize as this one is not helping her case but bringing her down. She could have shined last night, but she went negative instead with her supporter Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolous. I am sorry Mrs. Clinton I was one of your favorite supporter, but last night prove to me that you will try to win at all cost. Here’s what change my mind: last night when they ask Mr. Obama about your Bosnia blunder he choose to remain positive, and forgive you about your mistake, he even stand up for you by blaming the media. I know you a politician at list be one with dignity. Now I am undecided and I hope that the Democratic parties have a solution about all that.
Sincerely C.B

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AnneT Murfreesboro, TN — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:37:17 GMT

I am a steadfast fan of GeorgeS because I have always perceived him to be politically insightful and even handed. What a shame that the real GeorgeS didn't show up last night.

The debate was such a waste of time. Real ssues took a back seat to petty and inconsequential associations and candidates' preferences to accessorize or not.. I mean who really cares about a flag pin?? It will take my turning off "This Week" for awhile to actually hear what he has to say again.

Good Night George.

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Dennis Williams, Clarksburg, Ca. — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:09:48 GMT

This debate just proves that Clinton and Obama are not suted for president. McCain is the only one with enough common sence and experence to be president.

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Jan Barrett — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:11:06 GMT

Whitewater, Colombian ties with money, unsavory connections if you look at the Clinton's taxes, Bill's ties to govt Hillary has disapproved of, Bill's support of Nafta, H saying of Southern democrats "screw 'em," - lots for George & Charlie to bring up with which to attack Hillary, but they didn't. Maybe because Obama's campaign is not pushing all of these issues that reflect badly on Hillary.
Obama's campaign is concerned about the pervasive influence of lobbyist in Washington. Clinton's did not deal with this issue last time they were in the Whitehouse. And Hillary's rigid style meant she couldn't get healthcare reform passed last time. Now we hear her rigid position re Iraq pull-out where she won't be swayed by facts to approach a pull-out more thoughtfully, nor will she be realistic about her rigid tax position, all the while racking up more expenses on the budget e.g. healthcare, law enforcement to cities.
Hillary will do whatever it takes to win. So if you accept this & vote for her, don't be disguested by the state of political campaigns.

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David, Farmington, NM — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:13:07 GMT

The democrats are watching their worst fears being played out. As an Obama supporter, I used to feel Clinton staying the race could be good for him, but its clear now she's willing to drive this nomination process right into the ditch...and the media seem happy to follow suit. The "Tonya Harding strategy" right before our eyes. I feel both these candidates are infinity better than a 3rd Bush presidency, but I'm afraid that wont matter...you have Hillary to blame for that. Anyone with a brain had to be disgusted by the performance ABC gave in that debate, but I'm sure Hillary was quite pleased about the media's lynch mob mentality. Its a real shame.