First thoughts: Obama's tough night

Margaret, Columbus, Ohio — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:12:20 GMT

Good job, Hillary! No scripted jokes and no direct vetting of Obama - let the moderators do it. Add in a smattering of your natural humour (loved the Dick Cheney sarcasm!) and this was your best debate!

GO HILLARY!

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California INdy — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:16:31 GMT

Look, you play the hand you're dealt. No whining. I thought he played it ok. But the fact that ABC used a question fed to them by Sean Hannity and then followed up with a patriotism question is inexcusable. Good news for NBC? A lot of people will no longer will be watching This Week with George.

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AC, Boston MA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:16:59 GMT

The American media is largely the reason Americans are ignorant and easily swayed by emotions. Hopefully more Americans are waking up to this fact and demanding more accountability from the people they expect to do a good job. Judging people on trivialities that have no bearing on how they will govern is a mistake. Bill Clinton for all his flaws was agood president. George Bush was the 'compasionate' conservative and turned out to be the worst thing for this country. Americans beware!

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Pam OC,CA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:18:21 GMT

Yep. I was so ticked off at ABC. Thanks. A republican shouldn't be able to sell a free ride in this country, but that is what the media has given him.

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Pete - Albany, NY — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:19:03 GMT

That wasn't a debate...that was a Senator Clinton infomercial...Stephanopoulos appears to still be on the Clinton payroll.

50 minutes on negatives...I thought they were supposed to be debating issues and it turns out ABC just chose to pay them lip service at the end of the debate...

"Oh, by the way, the economy..."

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Scott — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:19:04 GMT

The Saturday Night Live skit would be VERY appropriate now. Perhaps they could have George telling Charlie, "Charlie, you continue taking a tire iron to Obama's knees while I run and get the brilliant wonder junior Senator from New York a beer and a shot."

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Honcho Mingo, Texas — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:20:01 GMT

When the pressure is on, Obama folds like a cheap chair. Obama would be nothing short of a puppet if he were in the White House, controlled both by Congress and special interest groups.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:20:09 GMT

Don't kid yourselves - the media elite are so out of touch with the voters in this country. Case in point - ABC's debate last night.

Hillary Clinton is definitely out as far as being electable in November. That was clear not only last night but by the comments I'm reading this morning, as well as people I have talked with. Everyone is pretty angry and fed up with Hillary.

Now she will try and see to it that Barack Obama is not elected in November. Does she realize the damage she is doing to him? This is all inside the beltway stuff we witnessed last night.

If she had any class - any at all - she would campaign for Barack Obama in PA.

She's not going to get elected in November. Period.

I too saw that "Screw 'em" comment.

Notice Senator Obama didn't bring it up? However, if he had said "screw 'em", the moderators would have for sure mentioned it.

The media in this country could care less about the working class in this country who are about to cast a very important vote in PA on Tuesday. As usual, they were dismissed completely last night. And NOT by Barack Obama.

Kudo's to him for showing up at the debate knowing he was going to be questioned by a former Clinton aide. He never said a word.

Imagine that - it was more important for the moderators to ask a question that Sean Hannity wanted asked - instead of the questions voters in PA wanted asked.

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Pat from Hendersonville — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:20:37 GMT

Let's see...Hillary had the answers, was calm and composed, didn't get rattled, and was in control. Obama hmmmed and hawed and never said anything of substance. Let's vote substance over charisma...even if you don't like Hillary. We voted for charm with Bush and look where it got us! Go Hillary...it ain't over!

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Doug, Kansas City, MO — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:21:47 GMT

Clinton continues to act like she's in the tank for the Republicans. I assume that, in four years, she believes that we'll look back on this election and say "Well, Democrats lost the fight because Hill wasn't the nominee." She fails to realize that we're actually going to say "Well, Democrats lost the fight because Hill was doing the Republicans' work for them during the primary and damaged Obama as much as she could."

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Jeanne Moste, Mt. Prospect OH — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:21:52 GMT

How will people feel when Obama is elected to be president, and he gives the same ceremony to Rev. Wright as Bush has done for the Pope.

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The Dead Guy — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:22:01 GMT

Pile it on folks. Look - the unaffiliated and uncommitted who tuned in last night will see it for what it was - a Former Clinton lackey (George S.) and an elitist (Charlie "teachers make more than $97k" Gibson) asking Q's about trivial items that almost all have been beat into the ground. These two were nothing more than tweedle dee and tweedle dum playing it up for the Queen so that she could find a chance to hatchet Obama. http://thedeadguy.com/?p=31

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PA Voter — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:22:13 GMT

**************
Unfortunately...

A lot of what was said last evening regarding Sen. Obama's "associations" will be brought to bare come November if he is our nominee.

William Ayers hosted a fundraiser for Sen. Obama only a few years ago in support of his Senate campaign yet Mr. Ayers is an admitted "Terrorist" who was with a group who blew up..
The Pentagon
The US Capitol
Numerous police headquarters throughout the United States (resulting in 1 death).

Ya know, I am seriously beginning to wonder about his "Judgment" to actually lead this country.

Known association include:
Rev. Wright - Anti-American
Tony Resko - Curuption Charges
William Ayres - Admitted Terrorist !!

What next that will be brought to light... only time will tell... but America, is THIS the person you will chose to lead your country??

Unreal!

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Matt (Buffalo) — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:22:13 GMT

This debate will actually help Obama. The media insiders and Washingtonians are so slow to catch on to why Obama is doing so well this campaign: he has been unrelenting in helping America to see that we can have a new kind of politics. That travesty of a debate was so transparent last night. It was clear that ABC had it in for Obama. In a time of war and recession, the moderators spent the first hour on character assassination.

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Seriously? NH — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:22:23 GMT

Chuck, you keep saying that last night was not good for Obama. Your opinion.... definatly not fact. I see it differently from here in my cookie baking world!

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Lynne B — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:22:44 GMT

That debate (dare I call it that) was a hit job, and a joke on the american public. I don't care about flag pins or bosnia, I care about whether or not social security is still around when I retire, or whether my husband's employer will outsource yet more jobs and lay him off. I think given the circumstances Obama did well, he showed he has the metal to stand up to whatever the republicans will throw at him in the general.

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JohnnyU, WA State — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:23:06 GMT

They were indeed intent on making it a tough night for Barack. He's not complaining. He answered everything with class. All the attention was on Barack, that's good for HIM. Hillary WAS given time to admit she LIED about her experience in Bosnia. She seemed to sort of say, well, you know, I lie once in a while...

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Dr.Strangedog, MI — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:23:27 GMT

I didn't know Chuck Todd was THAT opposed to Obama. The most interesting thing I find is how time tells the political tale. The subtext of this race seems to be bringing all that normally lies dormant to the light.

The "debate" illustrated this to the fullest. I would ask my fellow voters how does a flag pin make someone a better president? Why not an American ring or star spangled glasses?

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Sick of corruption, sick of the Clintons — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:24:19 GMT

I know there are a lot of people in this country, myself included, who would like to finally see a female president. Germany has Angela Merkel. England had Margaret Thatcher. It is unfortunate that the first serious female candidate for president in this country had to be Hillary Clinton. That is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. We should be able to do better than that.

Keep it up, Hillary. Keep criticizing Obama for alleged relationships with terrorists, when your husband pardoned terrorists on the last day of his term. I'm sure no one will notice the hypocrisy.

Obama in 2008. Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.

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sue — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:25:00 GMT

This will backfire on Clinton. Obama stood out as the ONLY one in that debate, moderators INCLUDED, that wanted to talk issues, ways to help the People. George and Charles were disgusting! Looking for a new job at the National Enquirer?

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Dante — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:25:09 GMT

PA Voter (Sent Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:22 AM)

Bill Clinton pardoned two of those admitted terrorist!! So what ya say about that?

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Mike, St. Louis — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:25:21 GMT

For the 1st time in 32 years of voting I crossed lines and voted democratic in the MO primary. After the latest discusting performance last night and the allowance of ABC to allow a Clinton operative to run what was supposed to be a debate it looks like I will be going back to the other side and WILL NEVER, EVER spend a single dime watching anything ABC produces...EVER!!

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Nashville_fan — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:25:30 GMT

So let me get this straight - Senator Obama had a bad night because he focused on the issues, refused to pick all the low hanging fruit that is Senator Clinton's lies and conflicts of interest, and he became annoyed at having to reanswer questions about things that he has addressed AD NASEUM for weeks on end?

It is amazing how out of touch the American media is with the people who are forced to watch them preen and primp daily about their ridiculous "theories" - We want OUT OF IRAQ! We want FAIR TRADE! We want HEALTH CARE! When is anybody gonna get that and quit telling us about the "Catholic vote" the "beer vote" and assorted other IRRELEVANT DRIVEL?

P.S. Why oh why does Chris Matthews say every night that Senator Obama doesn't seem comfortable "in a bar with 5 or 6 white guys"? Chris, please give me a break. Senator Obama has lived his ENTIRE LIFE with "white guys". We don't need your crackpot not-so-man-on-the-street opinions about Senator Obama's street cred with white people - we are smarter than that! Stick with politics - PLEASE!

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New Wave — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:25:43 GMT

One would think that National Enquirer moderated the debate. So issues affecting real people we discussed.

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James — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:25:44 GMT

FIRST READ TEAM: Your reporting on the debate is way off base and absolutely ridiculous! You must have watched a completely different debate. Why not commend Obama for withstanding literally 3 against 1 the entire night? Do you think the questions were fair? Was Hillary Clinton pressed on anything? And yet your conclusion was it was a bad night for Obama after he answered every question thrown at him? Maybe you guys should go apply for jobs at ABC, you'd fit right in with their tactics! I used to have respect for this blog, but I no longer. If it wasn't for Keith Olberman and Dan Abrams I'd stop watching MSNBC altogether, but I'll definitely turn the channel now if Chuck comes on...pathetic!

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Carmen Colorado — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:27:38 GMT

I thought it was supposed to be a debate. Do we care about the issuess? Hillary at cutting down, again. What a waste of time. Obama should have passed on this debate (or what ever it was), they have debated enough.

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Peg Warren — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:27:43 GMT

How can the media elite be out of touch with such an elitist like Obama?

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Eric Prell, Bethesda, MD — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:27:50 GMT

Dear Mr. Todd,

The public seems to have a very different impression than you did. Your own MSNBC poll shows Obama winning.

Last night was not a debate it was a public Lynching, and Senator Obama held through the fire. Last night will only make his candidacy stronger. It is your duty to point out how little the REAL issues were addressed to the candidates and the failure of ABC news to add any substance to the campaign. Both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama performed well in the evil funhouse, but Senator Obama wins because he didn't get tripped up.

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joan chicago il — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:27:56 GMT

Talking about last night, Obama Look so down, Incompetents last night, it was a poor performance and again, Hillary show her ability to confront and do well,. Are you talking about who is more able to confront McCain in November? Don’t even think to say or hold the idea that Obama will do a better job than Hillary, it is impossible.
Obama never can do good when he is confronted, he is good talking and talking and talking, but when is confronted with the fact, face to face, he look desperate, angry and uncomfortable, just like last night.

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exregis, Newport News, VA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:28:01 GMT

What's up NBC? Afraid to discuss openly how poor a job ABC did with this debate? The list of things a voter MIGHT be interested in but was ignored is huge. At least, the conflict of interest Stephanapoulos had should be mentioned. He worked for Bill Clinton (and, by inference from this campaign, Hillary Clinton as well).

Poor Jennings and Brinkley. Their successors have succeeded in completely besmirching the news reputations these two worked so hard for.

Yours is getting there as well. Please, a little honesty about the moderators.

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Margaret, Columbus, Ohio — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:28:03 GMT

As for Hillary 'piling on' Obama - she did not bring up the major topics - the moderators did. Good debating technique is to take advantage and she did. In the past she has not done this with the finesse she did last night. She was not shrill. She was not frustrated. The simply concurred with the moderators inferences and tweaked the info where it was lacking.

I sense Geoff Garin is earning his paycheck.

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Jessica, Wisconsin — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:28:16 GMT

Ad another super for Obama:

Breaking News: Thomas Backs Obama
You heard it here first. Council member and newly elected superdelegate Harry Thomas Jr., initially a supporter of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, is announcing in minutes that he will cast his vote at the Democratic National Convention in Denver for Sen. Barack Obama.

Thomas received more than 100 phone calls and e-mails from constituents who feared that he would use his power as a superdelegate to vote for Clinton despite the city's overwhelming support of Obama in the Potomac Primary.

"After meeting with the candidates and listening to my constituents, I have to honor the 83 percent who support Barack Obama," he said in an interview, referring to the results of the Democratic primary.

Thomas will make the announcement at 10 p.m. at a debate watch party.

Also,

Philadelphia Daily News endorses Obama
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20080417_VOTE_FOR_BARACK_OBAMA.html

Plus: The Obama campaign tells Stephanopoulos that “prominent Pennsylvania supporters” will switch their support from Clinton to Obama Thursday morning due to Clinton’s negativity.
http://thepage.time.com/2008/04/17/philadelphia-daily-news-endorses-obama/

One other point. Obama would have handled this debate in a very different way if it had been against a Republican rather than a Democrat. Unlike Hillary he does not want to do damage to the party.

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MSierra, SF — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:28:31 GMT

Did last night convince anyone ?
Hillary was RELENTLESSLY NEGATIVE
She had nothing positive....

All Hillary has is cheap shots
Is THAT what you want in a nominee ?
A cheap shot artist with baggage a mile high ?

Hillary also failed the Commander in Cheif test ?

If Iran attacked ANYBODY in the Middle East she's committing us to 'massive retaliation' ?
HELLO ?
It sounds like NATO....
Except NATO members were democracies with populations glad to have US troops stationed in their countries.
Populations who regarded us as allies....

Just like .... SAUDI ARABIA !

Hillary is embedding us into the Middle East ?
IS this sabre rattling against Iran ?
Does she, like John McCain and Geroge Bush want a war with Iran ?
WHY ?
There's NO EXCUSE for another war !!
Let's finish up the wars we have now
Put the 'American Middle East Empire' back on the shelf for a while
Let's take care of issues at home

Hillary FAILS the 'Commander in Cheif' Test
She sounds like she's pandering to the neo-cons

Bye, bye Hill
You've got NOTHING TO SAY
(and you take so long to say it)

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boogeyman, mamaroneck, ny — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:28:57 GMT

Mr. Stephanopoulos and Mrs. Clinton also referred to statements by Mr. Ayers in an article in The New York Times on Sept. 11, 2001, that Mrs. Clinton said were “deeply hurtful to people in New York.”

“I don’t regret setting bombs,” Mr. Ayers said then. “I feel we didn’t do enough.”

Mr. Ayers did not make the remarks after the attacks on the World Trade Center that day. The interview had been conducted earlier, in connection with a memoir that he had published, “Fugitive Days,” and he was referring to his experience in the Weather Underground.

After Mrs. Clinton criticized Mr. Obama for not severing all Ayers ties, Mr. Obama said, “By Senator Clinton’s own vetting standards, I don’t think she would make it, since President Clinton pardoned or commuted the sentences of two members of the Weather Underground.”

That referred to commutations by Mr. Clinton in January 2001, shortly before leaving office, for Linda Evans and Susan Rosenberg. Ms. Evans had been convicted of weapons and explosives charges connected with eight bombings in the mid-’80s and sentenced to 40 years in prison. Ms. Rosenberg had been charged in connection with a 1981 armed robbery in which two police officers and a security guard were killed, and was serving 58 years after being convicted of weapons charges in a 1984 case.

How come charlie & george didn't tell the truth.

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Don, PA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:28:59 GMT

This is a great debate. Thank god, it was not hosted by NBC or CNN. Obama finally got real questions for which he should have had ready answers. Over the last year Barack Obama has gotten a complete pass on his record, his life and everything associated to his political rise. In fact, if Senator Obama had been subjected to the scrutiny that Hillary Clinton has been subjected to he would have turned to ash by now.

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Holli, Oklahoma City, OK — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:29:21 GMT

I don't think the debate did Hillary much good. After all, she was forced to say that he was electable which is in direct contrast to what she has been saying to the superdelegates. While I didn't think that Obama's performance was that great, except for the Ayres thing, I thought that the Wright exchange felt old. We've heard the same question and explanation so many times that I don't think that anyone changed their minds on the issue once stated. So basically, her supporters think she won and his supporters think he did fine. Nothing new except a waste of 2 hours. Wish I'd watched American Idol!

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iowan — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:29:45 GMT

Voters again disserved by 'journalists'/media. Disappointing.

Obama is totally my man and totally for the right reasons, but I tuned in only for last half and he definitely appeared to be 'finishing it out', leading me to wonder what had happened in first half; i.e., his demeanor was not one of having 'folded', but rather one of a person who is speaking but is sure that no one is listening, precisely the effect that only being able to look at these two hostile 'modertors' would be expected to have. Poor format; 'debate', my ass.

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Cheryl Wilson, Chicago — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:30:32 GMT

It tickled me to know that Sean Hannity was behind the scripted questions attacking Obama last night. Charlie Gibson, George Stepanopoulos and the Clintons were all in on it. They had a prepared script (of which "Hillbilly" had a copy) and Obama's answers forced them to abandon the "script" they had feverently worked on to "set the brother up." The Clintons have now opened their bedroom door and have climbed into bed with the Republican right wingers to keep Obama out of "their" White House. This campaign is all about race, nothing more, nothing less. So, America, don't complain that you're paying $4 a gallon at the pump, don't complaint about milk being $5 a gallon, don't complain about your sons and daughters dying in Iraq, don't complain about America being hated on the world stage. It was and is CERTAIN elite members of white America that have run this nation into the ground. Whether Obama wins or loses, it was just thrilling to see Obama take on Gibson, Stephanopoulos and the Clintons in a 4 on 1 scripted contest and he held his own. Did you see the look in their eyes? Did you see Gibson's hands literally shaking with his scripted card in his hand at the end of the debate? Did you see the hurt in Chelsea's eyes and the anger in Rendell's eyes? As an ordiinary citizen, Obama delivered a knock out punch last night and pulled the veil off the evil conspiracy to keep him out of the White House and to bring change for all of America. The morning polls shows that ordinary citizens have no doubt that Obama plummeted Clinton last night. God Bless You, Obama. My prayers are with you.

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Laura L. Chicago, Il — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:31:11 GMT

Dear Mr. Todd -

You have missed the entire point of the debate - the total lack of serious journalistic integrity or skill on the part of the moderators.
Wake Up!! Did you watch the same debate the American public did last night? Have you seen the abc news website now more than 12,000 complaints about the debate.

Americans want to know about issues and policy positions - not gossip and inneundo.

You should make a list of the questions asked- they were ridiculous:

Do you think your pastor loves his country?
Why don't you wear a flag lapel?

compare these questions to ones asked by Walter Cronkite in earlier Presidential debates

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sotiredof ignorance — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:31:18 GMT

This was shameful. This is exactly how we wound up with Bush/Cheney for 8 years. I have always liked Charlie and George, but to talk about flag pins instead of why our soldiers are dying in a Civil War in Iraq leaves me speechless.

If we voters allow this election to spin out of control again and not be about substance instead of emotion, we will get exactly the govt we deserve. Just like last time.

Let ABC know what you think, and switch over to another news channel. That is exactly what I plan on doing tonight.

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j fl — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:32:02 GMT

Oh of course, men can NEVER, EVER say that a FEMALE actually ran circles around a MAN! God forbid if anyone even breathes that truth. The gender related truth is that, as a woman, she must do %100 better than him, otherwise she gets no credit whatsoever. Welcome to the mans world folks. As females, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. She OBVIOUSLY kicked butt Chuck....shhhhhh..you can't say it though.

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NO MORE FREE RIDES, Time for Obama to start answering questions — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:32:08 GMT

It's about time Obama faced some tough questioning, instead of the usual; "are you comfortable Senator Obama, can we get you a pillow and a cold drink?"
Hear Hear for ABC News!...at least THEY have some integrity....unlike SOME "newsmen" I know. (Do you get it, Chucky, Markie, and Little Dom-Dom?)

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Marty CR Iowa — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:33:52 GMT

Poor little Obama, they picked on me. Without a smooth talking prepared script he don't do so good. He is showing to more people now what we knew all along, he ain't presidential material.

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Mary Childs, KC Kansas — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:34:00 GMT

All this corruption is now showing up in Obama's past. We knew the Clinton's were corrupt, but now we're seeing the man the advocates 'Change' is just as corrupt. Biden was wrong, Barack is not a 'clean candidate', and appears to be every bit as corrupt and Bill and Hillary.

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Clara — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:35:54 GMT

I simply do not understand punditry. She admitted to lying and "...stating things I knew were not true..." and she gets a pass? I think we have had almost sixteen years of presidential lies. How on earth is this race even close. He was cool headed under 'fire' and she seemed shrill and petulant. Come on Todd, your analysis is usually better than this. I do not see myself, a staunch Democrat, closing ranks behind Clinton. I will stay home or organize a grass roots campaign for a write in candidate. I am so over this race, it is ridiculous.

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Firm Obama Supporter — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:36:19 GMT

Senator Obama is the one who tried to remember, that as the one ahead, he had a responsibility to try to keep the party together. If he is not the nominee, I will remove myself from the democratic list. I'm so happy to know that I never have to vote for clinton, because I never will. She is an embarrasement to the democratic party.

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Typical White Guy in Rural PA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:36:22 GMT

All the Obama supporters are upset that their candidate is being exposed for what he is. The truth hurts, doesn't it? All of Obama's fans are becoming bitter and angry people. That's good news for churches and gun shops, but bad news for Barack.

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Ron, TX — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:36:49 GMT

An hour on campaign gaffes and weak "negative" associations... and health care, the economy, all the other issues that -really- matter got bypassed.

Obama didn't lose. The American People lost.

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Fed Up in America — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:37:40 GMT

Funny how the people's comments here mostly think Obama did very well in the "debate". Pundits, you don't really have a clue, do you? We are tired of the character assassination circus. Obama was upset the issues weren't being debated, and he wasn't the only one.

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Jimmie Pots'n'pans — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:38:18 GMT

I hope Russert and Williams were watching last night.
THAT is how a debate should be conducted.
Tough questions for both candidates. Not puff-ball for one, and slash-attack towards the other.
Great job by ABC!

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Sick of corruption, sick of the Clintons — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:38:31 GMT

Boogeyman:

You make a good point about Clinton pardoning terrorists. We have to remember something though. Hillary was opposed to everything bad that happened during Bill's administration, and she was in favor of everything good that happened. She was especially unhappy about the Marc Rich pardon. In fact, she was so unhappy about it, that she almost didn't accept the huge donation that Rich's wife made to her campaign right after the pardon was issued.

Obama in 2008. Integrity matters and the Clintons have none.

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Concerned Democratic Voter — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:39:56 GMT

I can't belive how Obama folded up last night!
Maybe we need to take a second look at him. If he does this against McCain we'll lose the election.

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KUDOS TO ABC !! — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:41:19 GMT

KUDOS to ABC News for exemplifying what TRUE Journalism is all about !!

HATS OFF !! FINALLY - others are beginning to wake up to the realization that Sen. Obama is not the person he claims to be !!!

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Alan, NJ — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:41:41 GMT

So BO is rattled by "hard" questions from a senior Citizen and a dwarf. God help us when he sits down with no preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Does he accept a nuclear Iran? If not what are his ideas to try and stop/slow down their development. will he take any action against the logistics and training of Iraqi militias that are attacking GI's? You still think this guy is ready for prime time?

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Michelle Zee ABC (A Bunch of Crock) — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:48:29 GMT

Last night was not a go girl moment!

I; like him was very annoyed. It was only tough for him, because he did not want to go negative, but she did not have a problem with it.

This was clearly trying to get to those rural voters, because it wasn't on cable news. They knew many would watch the debate and that many may not have cable, so this was clear moment for them showcase Wright, Ayers, and a darn flag pin.

More poison that won't solve anything. After last night, I will be standing firm on my position of not voting for her. I don't care how high she gets in politics, I will always view her as an assassin to the Democratic Party.

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Kristen, Austin — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:48:42 GMT

Did we watch the same debate. I saw Obama getting asked alot of stupid questions and him answering them quite well. I never saw "his feathers getting ruffled" at all. Why are you misrepresenting the debate like this?

He is STILL going to win and your lies won't make any difference.

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shawn, mobile, alabama — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:49:19 GMT

I don't suppose anyone has had a chance to review the fact that every single poll out today shows that indeed Obama won the debate. Also the votes on MSNBC's own polling (though unscientific) show Obama slaughtered Hillary in public opinion. If you ask me it was brilliant on his part. He rope a doped her. He sat there taking punches like a sacrificial lamb while she gleefully looked on. It showed all of us how she really is and how honest and sincere he really is. It should also have made a few people feel guilty for attacking him for things that aren't his fault like what other people have done, his name, who his father was, that someone he met was in a controversial group. I might add that all this crap about holding him responsible for things other people have done is stupid. What about holding Hillary responsible for what her associates have done like here husband who is a cheat, her brother in law who is a criminal etc. Why don't we discuss that? No its the guy who is black and has the weird name that we blame for knowing someone who may or may not believe something etc etc its stupid on both accounts.

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Andrea Gaines, Lincoln, Virginia — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:49:25 GMT

Last night's debate reflects like a mirror where voters are with respect to the Democratic nomination. The negativity, cultivated 24/7 with increasing vigor and recklessness by Senator Clinton has all of us, including Senator Obama absolutely exhuasted. We've reached the saturation point. We want Obama to be the nominee and get on with the general election. Senator Clinton's presumptive nominee-anything-goes-posture is beyond unbecoming. Since when did one's ability to bloody the opposing candidate make someone more deserving (or qualified) to lead the world's most powerful democracy?

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Darren White — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:50:53 GMT

I'm seeing alot of deflection from the severity ABC's national embarrassment by your network this morning. Let's be clear. In no way should that type of behavior in journalism be defended by MSNBC. That was a shot fired across the bow of the people - it's people v. media if that becomes a normal "debate". Accordingly, defending ABC, or sticking up for your journalism buddies who behave in like, is standing against providing the public with real information.

There was no winner of that. The public was the loser.

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BC — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:55:14 GMT

WHAT A JOKE!!!

I was accually hoping that the debate would finnaly concentrate on the issues and that the moderators would help to keep the candidates on issue.

The only thing this debate did was make John McCain look really good.

What aq Joke. I thought Moderators were supposed to (Moderate). I guess they did just like ABC wanted them too. Do you suppose this might be part of the problem. The reason that so many people are referring to the media as "THE JOKERS".

Now, I feel so much better. Think I'll go play golf.

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Kate, Derry, NH — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:55:49 GMT

I would not be ticked off at the questions, I would be more ticked off at the answers or lack thereof. How is Obama going to stand up to McCain? Or worse, world leaders. I thought the debate was an eyeopener for many Americans.

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jesse St.Paul Minnesota — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:56:35 GMT

I have never seen such a hacthet job .This was not a debate, this was abc playing judge and jury,taking into consideration that some of the questions came from Shawn Hannity a person that has shown his dislike for A,A.,and to let a former clinton staff member George Stepalloverus throw softballs to the former boss hillie.This was a clear smear job,stuff you would read on a bathroom stall,a knee job as the hillbillys call it.I know that abc has the lowest ratings nationally ,whens the last time you watched there channal?This will not change the game like Obama said last night "the American people are smarter then that"What I saw last night was worst excuse of journalism.and I would think that abc is the laughing stock of the industry

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Joe, Portland OR — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:56:53 GMT

Last nights debate was a clear indication of how either nominee with hold up in the general against the Republicans. I thought ABC did a terrible job, but I agree with them hitting both candidates hard. This was a preview into the fall, and Obama failed.

Is this guy ready to stand up against both Republicans, and world leaders? Is he going to be defensive, and evasive?

I believe there is hope for Obama, but he simply is not ready. While you may not agree with Hillary, not like her, she is strong and ready.

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David R. Haight Geneva NY — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:01:46 GMT

There is no way that a person with a fair and open mind can continue to say Obamma has been given the pass. The last few weeks have shown a well deserved critical review of this man.
Hopefully he has been humbled and grows from the experiance.
The Hillster showed that she while tougt rose above the frey and did not go for the juggler of this wonded candidate. By saying SEnator Obamma could win she extemnded the Olive brance of unity.
The question now is: Are the delegates too bitter to vote with an open and fair mind?

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Demetri New Jersey — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:03:30 GMT

worst debate so far! The average citizen is facing serious issues and they are not being addressed. Frankly, I don't care to hear about what people Obama knows have to say I do care about what he plans to do for us. I want to hear about what taxes will be raised, what about capital gains, student college credits etc. We need real answers! Last night ZHillary said if Iran attacks any nation in the middle East we will get involved. I need to hear exactly what plans all 3 candidates have in that regard.
The media is so tabloid orineted that they are not providing us with precise details we need to know to make the right decision in November.
Is there any media out there that can deal with the real issues and get real answers for us?

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Tex, Port Aransas, Texas — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:04:56 GMT

The problem with that debate was, Mr. Stephanopoulos was formerly Bill Clinton's most brilliant political strategist. He is still friends with the Clintons from what I have been told. So, to be fair, he should have refused to be a moderator and question asker in this debate. Even Jeb Bush did not take part in that mess in Florida that ultimately got GW Bush elected to the white house for the first time. Jeb Bush stepped aside and did nothing either way in Florida. Mr. Stephanopoulos should have done the same, because he could not be impartial. He is a human being, and not a machine. Because of this, Hillary had a lot of unintentionial help in that debate, which made it a gangup on Obama. I just hope the people of the US and especially Pennsylvania realize this, and respond in Obama's defense accordingly.

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the media is lazy — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:05:13 GMT

It's astounding to me that, considering the vapidity of the debate last night, all that Chuck Todd and the rest of these lackeys here at msnbc have to say is "bad debate for Obama."

It was a colossally bad debate for American democracy. ABC wasted everybody's time by taking an hour to get to the issues -- the war, the economy. Health care, the energy debate, the mortgage crisis, global climate change -- all of these real issues took a back seat to "Bittergate" and Bosnia and made-in-China American lapel pins.

That some would come on here and tell us what a great debate it was shows us just how lazy the American media has gotten and how complicit Americans are in allowing it to happen. The idea that some care more about American lapel pins than health care is a disgrace and helps to explain why our leaders tend to be so utterly mediocre nowadays.

Further, it shows to what depths the media in the U.S. has sunk that the people here at msnbc have no criticism for ABC whatsoever. To further illustrate the media's laziness, the only analysis they included here at First Read was word-for-word what they put here last freaking night! Geez! You can't even come up w/ anything original to say?

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Bull the Dog — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:05:30 GMT

I am sure the attacks by the moderators and Hillary will backlash given that this is a change election.

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Former Obama Supporter — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:07:03 GMT

Wow, Hillary really kicked butt last night.
She was sharp as a tack, and Obama was flat as a rug.
I was kind of surprised by the way he choked on some of the questions.
I mean, it's obvious he's been getting preferential treatment from the press.
But, I didn't realize just HOW bad it was until he was asked about Ayers, and he simply couldn't come up with any other answer besides "Clinton did it, so it's okay..."
MAN! Who would have expected that from Barack Obama, the great orator of our time? He was stifled, stymied, and tongue tied.
I'll tell you one thing, if he gets the nomination and does this against John McCain, Barack will get his clocked cleaned in November.
I think we better take another look-see at Hillary and seriously consider whether she might be a better representative for our party in the general election.

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Don, PA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:07:05 GMT

As an Obama follower, I strongly condemn ABC for not following other medias that provided Senator Obama couch and pillows during debates, and for not offering him softballs to put his "change" signature for audience.

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Darren White — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:11:43 GMT

If the assumption is that Obama looked disgusted the entire time and that led to a poor performance, I'll point out that the public watching this debacle were disgusted, moreso from the multitude of comments over at ABC. Democratic voters, certainly Republicans were chuckling in glee, but Democrtic voters were disgusted right along with him. Disgust was the authentic reaction that in itself made Obama seem genuine.

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Lisa, IA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:12:02 GMT

I keep reading about "readiness", that maybe Obama is not "ready" for the tough questions and pressure of the general election and the presidency and that last night's debate illustrated that point. People just aren't getting it. The reason Obama may not seem "ready" is because he is NOT GOING to conduct out country's business in the same corrupt way that it has been done in the past. If that is your standard of comparison, that you are absolutely right, he is not "ready" and never will be and to that I say THANK GOD.

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Greg Olsoner, Ridge Falls, Washington — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:12:58 GMT

Best debate so far. Finally, someone asking Obama questions that expose him for what he is.

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Andress — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:16:36 GMT

Most of the questions were against Obama, but as usualy, he elegance belittled Hillary's negativism.

On conservative radio, here in Colorado Springs--68% of the people believe Obama won the debate.

Poor Hillary, without a home run (and the moderators were trying desparately to give it to her) she is toast.

I liked win they asked if Obama could win and she said, "YES, YES, YES...I think he can win!!" It sounded . . .well, use your imagaination.

Hillary will soon be grasping at Obamas coat-tails.

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Jay, The Batcave — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:16:41 GMT

Come on Pennsylvania...finish this thing.

I want the integrity that Obama clings to and that only he and Mc Cain will bring to this process.

I have faith - despite my critical thinking skills - that Pennsylvania will come out on the side of Obama.

Obama '08

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EBK Rice Lake WI — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:16:49 GMT

We watched the debate with much interest even though we and many of our friends/relatives have nearly decided agiast voting for any of the canidates.. We are so tired of voting "against" instead of "for". We think it was time that someone expected Obama to take the hard questions as Hilary has had to do all along..It didn't make us want to vote for either one.But,if we do vote, it will be for Hilary..Not that she is likable or warm.. but because she is tough and has taken what the media, and Bill, has dished out through the years.. Guess a lot of Americans can't deal with an intelligent, strong woman who has earned her place..like her or not..

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Maggie, VT — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:17:49 GMT

Did anyone read the "Huffington Post" and the story of Hillary Clinton's "SCREW EM" remark? Howard Wolfson was on MSNBC this morning when it was brought up and said it was 'ABSOLUTELY FALSE". At least ABC could have had a moderator that wasn't backing either candidate. It might have been a little more fair.

Boy, first Hillary says Obama doesn't meet the "Commander in Chief" test, says he can't win, says he in "unelectable". Then turns around and "denounces" what she says. What is wrong with these Clintons?????

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Sherri, Charleston WV — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:27:25 GMT

Never mind my empty fridge
Never mind Iraq
Never mind my empty wallet
Never mind Iraq
Never mind my empty gas tank
Never mind Iraq
Never mind the USA's piss poor standing in the world
Never mind Iraq
Never mind our infrastructure crumbling
Never mind Iraq
Never mind education taking a back seat
Never mind Iraq
We do know now Senator Obama's stance on flag lapel pins
Jesus wept.

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Ed Jackson Scranton, PA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:28:31 GMT

Lets stop the BS and call this debate what it really was- a hit job on Obama. 3 against one. Gibson, so obivious a Republican, George S. former Bill Clinton press secretary and poor little mis-quoted, mis-understood Hillary. Republicans want Hillary to win for a reason-McCain wins and more of the same old lying, double-talk that we have had for the last 8 years!

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Carol, Reno, Nevada — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:29:04 GMT

I can just imagine what the commentators would be saying if Obama had raised his voice and gotten really nasty. He got in quite a few zingers but didn't lose his cool. The comment about Bill's pardons, and the comment about Hillary's pastor praising Rev. Wright, and his comeback about her baking cookies were all major put-downs but in a restrained manner. But the main point he made over and over was that there are many really important issues that should be discussed. This debate failed miserably on that score. (and your NBC poll said Obama won with 79%!!)

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Dean, Pomona, CA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:30:17 GMT

I didn't know watching a debate could make you dumber, but that seemed to be the intent of ABC last night. The only loser last night was ABC News for underestimating the intelligence of the American people. No more George on Sunday for me (no more Russert either, he patented that garbage)

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AP from IL — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:30:24 GMT

I think PA voters got screwed by ABC last night. Spending 52 minutes on tabloid accusations did nothing to serve the candidates or the viewers. I support Obama and agree it was not his best performance but one thing that stood out is the restraint he used with Hillary when anyone else would have decked her.

The Clintons definitely have baggage that has been, and will continue to be rummaged through but Obama has not done the rummaging. True to his word, and probably at his own expense, he is taking the high road in this campaign.

Regarding his perceived problems, I think he calmly made his point that in a professional and public life you encounter all kinds of people and deal with them in various ways. Voters are judging him on his own merit and the results are becoming clear. Obama is different and I believe he will get the chance to prove it.

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father — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:31:05 GMT

I'm so glad to have Obama answered everything the foolish moderators tried to swing .. Really hillary has no place of favor still after the debate. Obama is and will forever go above her.
the ones that have problem are the ones that have not still believe that he is electable even after hillary re-confirmed her long time fears of telling the truth of her supperior.

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Emily, Linville, NC — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:33:21 GMT

Just say for the sake of discussion that the ABC line of questioning was appropriate. Why was Hillary not asked about Mark Penn and the Columbian trade issues? This is a huge issue for working class Americans across this country. Her constant denouncement of NAFTA does not coincide with her or her campaing's actions. This hyprocracy speaks much more about what she will do as President, but our media does not seem to care. Fortunately, I believe that the American people do.

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shirley, san jose, ca — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:33:47 GMT

Hillary did better than in the last 2 debates, but she did a 360 degree turn around on diplomacy. She has said in her speeches that would not talk to enemy Nations unless they move toward Democracy and even cast slures at Senator Obama when he said it is necessary to practice diplomacy with all Countries; Last night she claimed she would talk to everyone and spread diplomacy far and wide. Hillary spent way to much time on blaming Obama for what someone he 'knew' said and he gave her a pass on Hillary's husband and campaign manager lobbying for the Columbian Trade Deal. I would have like her to answer how she could not have known about this, when your husband deposits $800,000 in your bank account you are going to know where it came from; and when your campaign manager takes time off to go to Columbia you know about that too. This is an issue that should have been addressed because NAFTA and other Trade Bills have had a huge negative backlash for American workers.

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Daniel, San Diego CA — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:33:59 GMT

This was kinda unreal. They slammed Obama on past issues, even brought up NEW issues, and when he was done defending himself, they would say, "Im sorry, the time is a little unbalanced, Senator Clinton, would you like to respond to that?" No mention of Mark Penn, no mention of Nafta, nothing... That was uncomfortable to watch, and I think the American people are smart enough to understand what went on last night... That being said, I think Obama held his own... My love hate relationship with politics continues...

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Elocin M. — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:36:57 GMT

Last nights debate, confirmed for me, undecided voter, that Clinton is the better choice. She showed she has plans, not just rhetoric. Obama stumbled on the issues, and didn't provide anything concrete when it came to actual practical plans. Especially on the area of economy repair- Something that is a priopity to us all at this point.

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Paul, NJ — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:55:01 GMT

Allow me to misquote someone smarter:

"The only big question they forgot to ask was about Obama's bowling score."

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Tony C. — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:59:13 GMT

Fed up in America:

The media is biased towards Obama. They let hm off easily, give the hard questions to Clinton, don;t cover his screw ups or outrageous statements as they should (i.e. "typical white woman", "bitter blue collar Americans", etc. I wasn't even aware of his friendships with his radical anti-American buddies until it was brought up in lst nights debate and I can GUARANTEE if Tim Russert had been the moderator it never would have and he would have hammered away at Clinton all night.

Just like in the lead up to the war. The media cowered and shivered in the coner as the witherd fist of the White House shook and did not report the facts or ask the tough questions which wre right in front of them. They were a disgrace and cowards. They were as complicet as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and all of the other clowns in the administration.

I've noticed none of my 3 comments have been posted. COWARDS!

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John Doe, The Peanut Gallery — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:11:20 GMT

The one thing I can defiantely say about last night's debate was that ABC lost. And they lost hard. The decline in respect for that station has been mentioned no less than 5 times in my hearing today and I doubt they will do what is necessary to repair the damage. It's just a shame that most media outlets, in my opinion, won't take the cue and resurrect their actual journalism departments.

Such a shame.

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Tired of Hillary's deal — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:11:45 GMT

So Hillary has come forward as a communist. "The GOP should apologize and not run anyone in this election"! Let's see...Stalin - no, Mao - no, Hugo Chavez - maybe, Kim Jong Il - that's it! The idea is to have discourse, debate, and selection through an election; even if you don't like the other side.

For someone who claims to be such an American she is sure acting like she expects the party bosses to 'annoint her'. Maybe they're just annoyed by her instead. Obama is the Dem's future - select him and let him run against McCain. The US will be okay either way.