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BJ, CA — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:24:14 GMT

Check it out!!!

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/04/heilemann_robert_reich_to_endo.html

Carville's on the "Judas" train again

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Steve B, NewYork — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:24:57 GMT

How low will Hillary Go ?

Hillary Supporters, if you truly care about her, try to be objective, do you really think that trying to cripple Obama before the general election is the best way to go?

If she does this, I predict that she will LOSE, and if Rudy Giuliani RUNS for senate in NewYork he will beat her.
THEN WHAT !

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Brother Odd — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:36:15 GMT

Steve B, Obama will cripple himself in the GE. He already can't take the heat. He couldn't handle ABC. They were too touph on him. The republicans will destroy him. It will be Hillary or 4 more years of McBush.

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Grandfather, Albany, NY — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:41:00 GMT

There is one thing that keeps nagging at me though. Would the NFL allow a rookie to set footbal policy? ... No way! ... No matter how good he had been in college ball, the pro's are different.

So why would we let a rookie senator set policy for the Democratic party ...let alone the nation?

And after all Obama is only a rookie!

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:42:24 GMT

Hillary showed the world she is not ready to lead the country. Obama did a poor job as well.

Game. set and match to John McCain.

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Obama for President 08 — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:44:27 GMT

Senator Obama is a true leader. He sacrificed his reputation on the strength factor by not engaging in clinton's constant verbal assault. He did this to protect the democratic party and to keep her supporters from leaving. They can not argue that he beat-up on her. She did him and it did not and will not work.

Obama 08

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Publius McPeters — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:44:42 GMT

Was it just me, or did I not hear (straight from her mouth, I believe) that the younger of the two Congressional Sanchez sisters in the US House of Representatives was an Obama supporter also?

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Had enough of politics as usual??? — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:45:35 GMT

NO RACISTS IN THE WHITEHOUSE.

NO TO OBAMA.

NO(MORE)PROFESSIONAL LIARS IN THE WHITEHOUSE.

NO TO CLINTON.

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Reason for Change — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:47:35 GMT

McShame will see his own short comings..and will make a fool of the GOP before November....

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The Dead Guy — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:49:46 GMT

You know, the superdelegates from the states that have already voted in this primary season have no excuse. They need to sh!t or get off the pot. Endorse already. You're constituents have already voted - they had to make their decision, now it's time to make yours. You are called "leaders" for a reason - not "followers".

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Trey, Indianapolis, IN — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:51:26 GMT

I know MSNBC won't post this but I have to get it off my chest.

1) You say the debate was fair on Morning Joe, but ignore the fact that Hillary did not have to answer for Penn or Bill (one of which blew right before the debate). If Penn was a liability and she claimed she fired him (but didn't), why not press her on this issue?

2) After 21 debates she has yet to explain what Bill will do in the White House, and you know Republican's will have commercials about the Millions they got from Columbia and China. Why is this not a fair question? Won’t the Republican’s in the Fall have commercials about Hillary literally being in bed with a lobbyist for China? Won't this bring up the Hsu questions?

3) Obama received 4 out of the first 5 questions, is this not an Ambush? How can you say Hillary stood up to the heat when the only time the heat was turned on she stumbled on the Driver's License question? If I recall wasn't her answer to the lack of jobs in New York that she thought a Democrat would win? What a great answer to a tough question, not . . . Furthermore, the moderators never followed up on any question outside of the electable question.

4) When did Chris Matthews become a Clinton Supporter? I don't care since my minds made up, but since rumors started about the Senate he has veered strongly to her camp. I wonder if Clinton owning the entire Pennsylvania Machine has anything to do with this?

5) Stop putting up Ford as if he is neutral just because he has not endorsed anyone (and he happens to be a black male). Point out that he is part of the DLC, the same group that Hillary, Bill, and Bayh are a part of and created. He is not neutral and it is obvious when he speaks.

From someone who doesn't mind hard questions, as long as they don't ignore the 10,000 pound Gorilla in the room named Bill Clinton.

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I love my country,Philadelphia,PA — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:54:15 GMT

Grandfather,Albany,NY. This ain't football...Barack Obama is not a rookie at being intelligent and knowing how to get things done. Politics are alot easier than playing a sport. Obviously, the "rookie" theme doesn't mean a thing. Look at the current President...he was a so called politician for years...The governor of the biggist state in the land and he will do down in history as the worst President ever... NO body's stupid so leave that sports anology stuff where it belong..with the coaches.

Barack Obama for President of the U.S.A>

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Joe (WI) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:57:03 GMT

To Brother: Obama is "tough" enough to handle the repubs in November. He could very easily bring up countless things about Hilary and look "tough". He is smart enough to know that doing that doesn't do any good for the party. In fact, look how well it's working for Hilary. Taking the high road doesn't mean he's not "tough".

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Grandfather, Albany, NY — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:00:40 GMT

OBAMA IS A ROOKIE!

IF HE WAS IN THE NFL THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW HIM TO SET FOOTBALL POLICY.

No matter how good a footbal rookie was in college ball the pro's are different... so they wouldn't let him even try to run policy.

SO HOW CAN ANYONE THINK OF PUTTING A ROOKIE SENATOR IN CHARGE OF DEMOCRATIC POLICY ...LET ALONE NATIONAL POLICY ..AFTER ALL THIS IS THE PRO'S

OBAMA IS ONLY A ROOKIE

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donna, pgh., pa. — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:01:09 GMT

Boo hoo Hillary got booed for all her efforts to defrock Obama of his frontrunner status. What a waste of our time.

To take the position that the duplicitous Hillary Clinton is the only viable female candidate for President, is to say that Tanya Harding is the only ice skater who could win a gold medal in the next Olympics.

Obama '08

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:03:31 GMT

Why do I keep seeing posts about how those posts won't be printed?

A little paranoid, folks? For whatever reason, we're all having posts not show up now, regardless of content. Maybe MSNBC needs to add another hamster to the wheel?

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Lisa, New Britain, CT Fired Up and Ready to Go — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:03:36 GMT

Unless you are planning on croaking in the next four years or so (perhaps eight :) ) there are TONS of women with the potential to be President, let's start with the ever increasing numbers of Women Senators and Governors. For pete's sake. A bad woman candidate sets you back. I don't see HRC as my role model, nor a good role model for my daughter. The leader role is much too important to elect a "token" anything.

No, the superdelegates should not just look to PA, there are afterall, 49 other states and some territories too. We matter too.

Obama 08 (a 40-something white woman for Obama)

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juan,ft lauderdale, fl — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:06:42 GMT

Jerry of cc I suggest you take your game,set and match comment along with your kool-aid to a certain compound in Texas.

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Grandfather, Albany, NY — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:07:11 GMT

How can you even being to say politics is easier then footbal? ...that's just plain naive.

We're talking about running the country ...the most powerfull country in the world.

YOU DON'T LET A ROOKIE RUN THIS COUNTRY!

OBAMA IS A ROOKIE

His political back ground is in the minors ...college ball

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Sick of corruption, sick of the Clintons — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:08:37 GMT

This country is in sad shape if Monica Lewinsky's boyfriends wife, is considered the best choice for President. We have waited 232 years for a female president. Another 4 or 8 years is worth the wait, if we get the right person. Jennifer Granholm, Nancy Pelosi, and Kay Bailey Hutchison would all be excellent choices. Hillary Nixon, I mean Clinton, is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. We can do better.

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Gary Schear, Bozeman Montana — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:10:48 GMT

"If Clinton does not win the White House this year, no woman will reach that goal in their lifetimes." ????????

This is a reason to select a President?
Hillary has guaranteed that their will be a female president with in three to four cycles and it could well be her. The question of if she could handle the job is not even a question. No one doubts it. The only thing in question is electability and margin of victory...coattails!

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juan,ft lauderdale,fl — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:10:51 GMT

Grandfather- I guess Abraham Lincoln was also a ROOKIE considering he had about the same or less experience. Spare us all your sport's anology! Furthermore, Darth Vader (Cheney) explain that one to me!

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Truth is Timeless — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:13:17 GMT

Hillary's not whining ...She just got OUTCLASSED!
She's licking her wounds and thinking up more trash to heave...Keep shoving it...you do it so welll..?
Remember if he's a elitist you have to throw uphill
not down hill like you visualize in YOUR ELITIST MIND!!

GO Pennsylvania...It's given to you...

Vote Obama

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Laurie in VA — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:18:36 GMT

We need a rookie in the White House.

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Pat, Boston, MA — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:22:04 GMT

Trey, you are absolutely right on every single issue you brought up.

Chris Matthews - MSNBC allows him to use them as he gears up for a run in PA - he has done an about face - as far as I'm concerned, PA can have him. Anything to get him off the air. One big phony with a big mouth.

Harold Ford, Jr. is a Clinton supporter. Nothing wrong with that - just don't anyone be fooled - that's all. He'll never admit it.

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SayNoTOHillBillyAndGrampaMcWar — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:22:19 GMT

It was not that Obama could not handle himself. He also knew that it was a set-up. Hillary had his questions before she went on the stage. She read her ad on statements to each negative question towards him.Obama is a rookie wow thatis a good one. Cant you think up something better than that. That is about as stupid as saying Hillary wears plaid panties so we cant vote for her. There have been plenty of what you call rookie presidents and most of them did a good job. Dont be mad at the McWar people they are feeling left out because granpa Monster is less interesting than the two Dems .

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SJB, SLC, UT — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:23:42 GMT

"If Clinton does not win the White House this year, no woman will reach that goal in their lifetimes."

You have got to be kidding!! Is this what these women think??? Is there noone else among our gender these women BELIEVE can ever be President??? HRC is our ONLY shot at ever holding the Presidency?? I am ashamed of this comment. I am ashamed of these so-called women Super Delegates. Get a grip!!! What you basically are saying is that there is no other intelligent, capable, experienced, ambitious woman out there that could ever be POTUS!!! You are insulting your own gender.

SHAME ON YOU!!!! SHAME ON YOU!!!!

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Karen, NYC — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:25:00 GMT

hummmm....

Does Hillary have any Brothers? I wonder where they are..... she's framing herself as the only child.... I wonder why..... oh brothers oh brothers... where art thou brothers??????

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Cory (SC) — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:26:26 GMT

The Superdelegates need to come together and overthrow this whole deal. When are these people going to finally grow a pair and put this puppy to bed??

http://www.politivine.com

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.. "no mas, no mas," --- — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:26:43 GMT

.
NEWS FLASH ----

HOWARD WOLFSON ANNOUNCED THAT THE 'FAT LADY' WILL SING SOON FOR HILLARY...

.. "no mas, no mas, Hillary, no mas ............."

.

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j fl — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:27:08 GMT

As far as behaviors go,concerning arrogance and hatred....ObamaNation is sounding and acting much like AryanNation.

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Tiffany, Chicago — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:28:16 GMT

"The reason some give: If Clinton does not win the White House this year, no woman will reach that goal in their lifetimes."
And this is a reason to pick the worst candidate? As a woman, I am totally disgusted.

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Jay, The Batcave — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:36:49 GMT

I am less than amused by the bickering that seems to start with the Clinton campaign, and subsequently the Clinton supporters.

As an Obama supporter I have been called naive, a freak, a fanboy, a robot, a sheep - not to mention having weathered hearing and reading about how my canidate of choice is a racist, a liar, an elitest, and now, weak. I do not believe these things about Barack Obama, so save your breath.

But what gets me is this desire to diminish the passion we as Obama supporters have for our canidate. What is the purpose? Does it help this country for you to try and disengage us from this process? Or does it simply help YOUR canidate?

Either way, it will not work - not on me. You will not sway me from the excitement I have for this process, rekindled by this very exciting and hopeful canidate.

Yes we can.

Obama '08.

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Fred C Dobbs Sierra Madre, CA — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:39:23 GMT

What's the difference between Barack Obama and a dog?

At some point the dog stops whinning!

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Tess, Portland, ME — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:45:14 GMT

I,too, think Chris Matthews has unofficially launched his run for the PA senate just this week on Hardball.
He's going to need the PA "Clinton" machine behind him and he will do all the shameless pandering that he has to to accomplish that.

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j fl — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:47:15 GMT

Boo Hoo Jay, I seem to recall enormous amounts of bashing and viciousness from the Obama people when Hillary was miles ahead...so in other words, shush big baby.Your acting like your cult leader, weak and ineffectual.

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JC, South Florida — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:48:43 GMT

Like many of you, I'm tired of the same politics. Hillary will say what people want to hear, she is not prepared to lead our Country. It's time to get a person that knows what we need and really cares about delivering for the American people.

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Demarcus J., Columbia, Tennessee — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:49:16 GMT

I still believe that most of the superdelegates are intelligent and objectively-minded people. As such, of course many of them would not be swayed by what was clearly (by any rational account) a bias debate against Obama. Stephanopoulous and Gibson had every intention on spending the bulk of the ABC debate on stupid, trival, and wholly unimportant matters. Forty-five minutes of gossip and hype is not a debate!!!! While American soldiers are dying, the U.S. economy is sinking, and the healthcare crisis grows, Stephanopoulous (who arguably is leaning toward Clinton since he worked for her husband) and Gibson spent more time re-hashing very old and very irrelevant issues! They really should be ashamed of themselves...especially if they call themselves so-called "professional journalists". In using Obama's admittedly weak performance at the debate, Clinton has clearly proved to me that she will say and do anything to secure the Democratic nomination. This is exactly the reason I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON! I do not want another shoddy Clinton Administration. I am just plain pissed over the entire situation.

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Dr.Strangedog, MI — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:01:43 GMT

Why does everyone act like McWar is untouchable???? He is a continuation almost right down the line of the WORST PRESIDENT EVER. Really, I know Republicans are justifiably arrogant with 2 steals ..errr I mean wins in a row. But this isn't Kerry or Gore. It's more like Clinton before he went silly.

McWar isn't all that great and it's not like he's been vetted much either. Calm down, you haven't won yet, and I don't think you will.

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MBM Chicago, IL — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:04:48 GMT

Fred Dobbs -

You have just demonstrated the class, integrity and intellect of the Hillary supporters. Or I maybe mistaken and you are really Wolfson in disguise.

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Desiree, New York — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:07:05 GMT

Has any one ever seen "A League Of Their Own", the Jimmy Dugan character played by Tom Hanks says "crying? There's no crying in baseball". Someone should tell Obama there's no whining in politics. This is a cheap trick to get sympathy votes.

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Can't afford Gas — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:08:58 GMT

George W. Bush had the experience of running the state of Texas and just look at the devastating impact we are experiencing as a result of his presidency! 9,000 jobs to be cut by citi.., people are going into their 401k's to get money just to buy food and gas. We are in serious trouble and everyday gas and food prices go UP more and our President/VP are oblivious to it! There is no response or effort at all to do anything about it! These people should be impeached for the high crimes of neglect and abuse on the American people. I'll take my chances with a vote for CHANGE! Something sure has to and soon!

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David Donar — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:11:56 GMT

I was hoping the Pope could help solve this conflict.
http://politicalgrafitti.blogspot.com/2008/04/papal-politics.html

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Voice of reason... is anyone listening? — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:15:38 GMT

Wow we are an angry American public. When did we all get so bitter, resorting to name calling and finger pointing. Do any of you remember that feeling after 9/11 when we all stoped yelling at each other, held hands, prayed, rolled out our American flags across the nation and brought our country together.....

Divided we fail. We should no better. We continue to repress ourselves. It's sad really.

Cheers, in hopes of a brighter tomorrow. I hate non of you, I'll listen to all of you and show you respect. That is what democracy stands for and American pride.

I am an Obama supporter. It's time to bring this all to an end. I know it's easier to yell and name call but now it's time action so lets come together and get to work on building America again.

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Natalie — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:21:36 GMT

Was it just me or did Obama look like an arrogant ***hole brushing off his shoulders yesterday. Give me a break...what a loser!! I would like to see him brush off his shoulders after he meets with Middle Eastern dictators!

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:21:40 GMT

I get a real laugh out of the repugnant ones who claim Tailhook Johnny will destroy Obama in November. TJ's clueless comment to drop the 18 cent federal gas tax during the summer shows how little he knows about economics. Yeah cut the gas tax during the peak driving season and watch our demand grow and watch the OPEC jerks jack up the price of oil. Yeah we'll cut out paying the federal government thus further increasing the budget deficit and making the dollar weaker making oil higher.

Tailhook Johnny will say anything to get elected because most Americans aren't smart enough to understand the ramifications of his gas tax cut nonsense. Just more tax cut bribery from the repugnant ones who don't have a winning platform with their foolish decrepit faith values!

Go Obama!

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Concerned Citizen — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:27:33 GMT

Yes--I believe he was annoyed as he wanted to discuss the issues and not rehash that same old insignificant issues... He also did not strike back at her as he most certainly could have because, unlike her, do not want to damage the Democratic Party... He managed to get to her though when he mentioned about the commuting/pardoning of the two members of the Weather Underground... He is a statesman and a gentleman--not a pushover... He won't be as nice if John McCain come this fall--it will be mano y mano!

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Cross in Lauderhill, FL — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:34:13 GMT

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (still sleeping until the bull doodoo is over).

Sports analogies... I like those, too bad they dont mean a thing when people are losing their homes to foreclosure due to predatory lenders who talked them into these crazy mortgages, which by the way, Hillary supports, because they work for her. Ok... nap time again... somebody wake me up Wednesday morning.

Onama '08

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KHR — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:34:24 GMT

Grandfather, your analogy is weak. The Dolphins turned over their franchise to a rookie, Dan Marino, and that worked out pretty well. :)

It depends on the rookie. The Colts picked Manning and he did okay too. Had they picked Ryan Leaf, they'd be second-guessing themselves for years.

Seems to me that the US chose Leaf the last time and now at the mess you're in! Time to rebuild the "franchise".

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Tony Bridges, Oswego, IL — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:38:33 GMT

I want more inforation of the Clinton's gaffes relationship with Mr. Peter Paul. Can anyone including the new media shed more light on the subject?

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Barbara C., - Pompano Beach, FL — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:39:36 GMT

Oh....Chris Matthews...who is a Republican in Democrat Clothing. I have had to stop watching him and I used to be his biggest fan. Thank God for Radio these days. Until Matthew's Colleague comes on at 8:00 p.m. every night, I only listen to Radio during these trying days. My blood pressure has gone down because of turning off Cable News from 5PM to 8PM every night. I also turned off "Morning Blowhard" as he rants on and on.

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BMR, Pittsburgh PA — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:39:36 GMT

Hillary Clinton's core demographics include older, white, working-class voters, right? Just the sort of people who are either collecting Social Security, or will start doing so relatively soon.

So it must have been interesting to these people when Social Security was debated Wednesday. Clinton attacked Obama's proposal to raise the cap on SS payroll tax. Her final declaration was that more money had to be put into Social Security, but you can't cut existing benefits and you can't raise any taxes to do it. (No mention, mind you, of where the money *would* come from...just "there has to be some way" of doing it with those restrictions.)

When Obama pointed out that her proposal essentially called for forming a commission to study the issue, she mentioned the 1983 commission formed by Reagan and O'Neill that did work to improve SS funding. However, Obama nailed her by pointing out that the very same commission ended up temporarily raising capital-gains taxes and raising the payroll tax cap to do it.

I hope those seniors who wonder about their Social Security payments and living costs were listening.