Delegate update: NE super to Obama

MI Chick — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:57:15 GMT

nuanced (Sent Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:02 PM)

Thanks! I noticed a pattern, too, but it doesn't always work. HP, Pat, and Nobama seem to have the inside track to post. :-)

Congrats on another SD, BO!

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

iowan — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:58:26 GMT

Okay, funmeisters, now that you're having fun with numbers, try spooning in the 'popular vote' from the caucus states----what malarkey. Buy yourselves some video games, or go take a walk, kids.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Chad, Salt Lake City Utah — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:01:13 GMT

The best will be at the end when barack is winning anyway, for he is now favored to win more of the popular vote in the next remaining contests.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Beth, Orlando, FL — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:02:39 GMT

There's a 1.7% difference between the two candidates in the set of numbers that has them the farthest apart (without MI or FL). Too close to call.

I'm a Floridian ... I sure would like to see my vote in there somewhere.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

greg chicago — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:02:48 GMT

ding dong the witch is dead

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Andress — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:03:14 GMT

READ FIRST, ARE YOU ENCOURAGING CLINTON TO BREAK THE RULES?

HOW UN-NEWS WORTHY.

WHAT AN IDOT

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Barry Scott, Stockton, CA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:03:42 GMT

You mean Hillary lied today? Impossible!

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

nick — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:03:42 GMT

What about a count with vote estimates from the 3 states who caucused but didn't report an exact vote total? Do those 3 states not get to count in this 'popular vote' count? Did they not vote (for all intents and purposes of the "count"?)

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Mary, Tamarac, FL — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:03:59 GMT

so for all that she has to take ALL the delegates in MI for her to get her less than 135K lead? But I'm sure she'll somehow spin this. Woman please do us all a favor and just shut up. You can stay in the race if you choose but STHU!

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

jac13 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:04:04 GMT

STOP! STOP! STOP! This "popular vote" crap is a contrivance cooked up by the Clinton campaign to attempt to cover up the fact that, within the defined metrics of the nominating process, she cannot win. You are doing the public a disservice by dignifying it with coverage.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Jason — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:04:19 GMT

HRC flatly stated that the Mich primary didn't count. Now she is saying in determining the popular vote MI does count. She gets all her vote and Sen. Obama gets 0.

I think her argument only reinforces the perception that HRC does not have any integrity.

On another note, shouldn't you have a metric that includes the caucuses?

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

alkali — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:05:06 GMT

Do the popular vote numbers stated above include caucuses?

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Common Sense — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:05:26 GMT

This race looks pretty close to me:

With MI/FL, including "uncommitted" for Obama:
Obama: 15,254,369
Clinton: 15,150,551

difference: 103,818

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

aleese. — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:05:28 GMT

Where's the momentum Hillary? I like this Chinese water torture she's being put through. Is it possible that the supers could erase any gain she got from Pa. before May 3rd? Hmmm. Nice. They've been helping to keep her bringing up the rear for quite a while now.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Real Americans — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:05:45 GMT

God Help American if Clinton gets the nomination through back door deals and dishonesty.

The rioting will never end.

I say ''Throw more wood on the fire,"

Free America from dishonest politicians--NOW

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Ron, TX — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:07:25 GMT

Hey, don't have so much fun with those numbers! The Clintons have a very serious argument that Hillary would be ahead only if Florida and Michigan are counted, and only if the uncommitted vote in Michigan is disenfranchised, and only if the 4 caucus states that did not have popular vote totals are disenfranchied...

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Jamil - Dearborn, MI — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:07:26 GMT

So even if we count FL & MI delegates, she still loses the delegate count. If we give 0 votes to Obama out of MI and 328,000 to Clinton, she would lead by only about 135,000. After NC and Indiana, he will net much more than 135,000 votes and be able to say count the votes any which way you want and I still win.

Clinton is like the football team who goes into the 4th quarter down by 5 touchdowns and then starts celebrating after she scored one (actually, it was more like a field goal). Relax, calm down, you still need 4 more touchdowns and there isn't enough time so just take a knee and run out the clock gracefully!

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Dem NPL, Bismarck — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:07:47 GMT

When you report numbers like that, you give them credibility they don't deserve. What about the 120,000 vote margin Obama won in the Texas caucus? Aren't there other caucuses which have gone unreported or unestimated. I know no media figure has worked it out, that if a million people went to the Texas caucus and Obama got 56% of them, he got 120,000 more "popular votes."

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Gary Schear, Bozeman Montana — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:07:48 GMT

This is not going unnoticed.
Hey First Read!
Respectfully, could you please post Hillary's unfavorable numbers recently put out?
I'd post em myself but I am trying to figure out how to avoid making who ever is moderating this mad.
Hey nuanced, are ya still out there or did they reformat you?

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

P, CA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:08:12 GMT

Question: how would you allocate a "popular vote" from a caucus state. Is there ANY WAY to do rationally?

As you can see, I'm no statistician!

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Kate, Boise, Idaho — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:09:50 GMT

Looks like Team Obama kept it in the single digits in Pennsylvania. According to the Huffington Post:

Clinton 54.6%
Obama 45.4%

That's a difference of 9.2%.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Chad Maglaque, Seattle, WA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:09:55 GMT

Watch it here guys. You're totally disenfranchising the voters of WA, IA, NV and ME by going down this line of thinking.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Marihelen — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:10:47 GMT

I was reading about the 50 NC folks that endorsed Obama, including 3 members of Congress (NYT Blog). Were these 3 Congressional Reps already included in the vote count? I assume as members of Congress, they'd be superdelegates.

Thanks for the updates, I live by First Read's delegate counts.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Ian — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:10:50 GMT

Only Hillary would begin campaigning for 2012 in 2008. That's the only conclusion one can reach when given the mathematical certainty that IS his nomination AND the tone of her campaign intent on destroying his electibility in November by lending Democratic credibility to GOP talking points.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

teopa — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:12:26 GMT

IF there is any popular vote 'credit' givn to HRC for Michigan, it should have the 'uncommitted' voted subtracted from it. Since this vote (which could have included John Edwards) clearly represents a strong 'non-clinto' element. She cannot claim to be 'counting all the votes' and hearing the voice of the people by dismissing this 'uncommitted' group. It should be subtracted to give her a net figure. That is the only legitimate way.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

sem, va — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:13:20 GMT

chick yesterday the superdelgete count for obama was 238. Today he has gained 2, so why isn't total 240? your count shows 239...

Obama 08

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Jim, CO — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:13:45 GMT

What about the popular votes from caucus states. This isn't included in the total popular votes. Wouldn't this give Obama a substantialy higher total.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

AMG --- Richmond — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:14:00 GMT

Oh, puleeeze! You guys have got to be joking!?!

The DNC has been perfectly clear, FL and MI are not being counted!

Bill and Hillary Clinton and that entire campaign have been smoking (and inhaling) too much funny stuff.

I'm not losing any sleep over the FL and MI numbers in any combo.

Obama's got the numbers right. Listen up, folks!

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

SouthCentralDel — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:14:12 GMT

As fun as this is, the race is counted in delegates and supers. Clinton campaign tactics are working at MSNBC if she has succeeded in getting MSNBC to from now on talk only about the popular vote.

Maybe a change to the popular vote should be considered for next election, rather than raising the bar yet again.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

jay — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:15:49 GMT

why are you morons citing these "fun" popular vote numbers that include MI and FL?? are you freaking kidding me?? everyone knows they don't count, even acknowledged by the clintons before they suddenly needed them to count. stop playing the hrc game, msnbc! you guys are losing it. i know it's probably "fun" for ratings (like holding off on calling pa for hillary last night for exactly one hour - just enough time for you guys, along with cnn and the others, to keep those ad dollars rolling in) and your own personal amusement, but the american people can't afford it anymore. get a clue!

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Me — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:16:14 GMT

Hi Mr Chuck Todd,
I am a big FAN but I am getting a little frustrated that you or you MSNBC are compromising your facts. The margin of victory for yesterday`s primary is 9.2 as of now not 10. There is a difference. Can MSNBC start reporting the true results. You can find them on this link.

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ElectionsInformation.aspx?ElectionID=27

Thanks in advance for talikng this request into consideration.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

David, Charleston, SC — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:17:55 GMT

I assume that these numbers don't include caucus results from WA, ME, IA, and NV?

In any case, using the popular vote as a metric is just a backdoor way for Clinton to exclude caucuses, due to the lower turnout in caucus contests.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

KT, Tennessee — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:18:41 GMT

Now is the time Obama says; "O.K., add in Florida".
He knows as well as most of America that Hillary cannot catch Obama in popular vote or in pledged delegates.
Hillary has lost the nomination.
She needed to hold on to her 20 point leads in: Texas, Ohio & Pennsylvania and she failed to do so.
Additionally, it does not matter a wit if she raises 5 million or 15 million over the next few days except to Mark Penn & Mandy Grunwald because the know they might actually get paid before the end of the year.
Obama bankrupted Hillary over super Tuesday and she has never been able to catch up.
Now she cannot compete fully in N.C. and she is flat footed in Oregon, Montana & South Dakota.
The trend is still not the friend.
We will see if white women decide to actually vote McCain and agree to toss out Roe come November as that is the only discussion still worth having.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Mark Santa Cruz, CA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:20:02 GMT

What is "fun" is seeing that HRC has no chance of winning in any scenario. I'm for bringing the party together...I know they hate each other at this point, but how about a joint ticket with Barack on top? That way, there are none of the "wont vote for ___ if ___ wins" options. And, it just make them uniters instead of dividers after all. Time to end the divide! Go Democrat 08

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Steve B. NewYork — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:20:20 GMT

Hillary is Running for 2012 .
She's a smart woman ... making Obama unelectable is the only way she has to go.Everybody knows this.There is no way that the SD's will overturn the numbers and give her the nomination.
Shamelessly teaming up with the nast right-wingers !
Shame on her. Really!.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Greg P., Winnipeg, Canada — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:21:48 GMT

I find it so interesting that no analyst is asking the Dems about how the Clinton campaign is 'poisoning the well' when it comes to FL and MI. If Clinton, time after time, BLAMES Obama (not DNC rules) for the states' situation, isn't she essentially telling Dem voters that he is against their interests, even if he becomes the party nominee?
That strategy will be a PERMANENT wound to Obama much as the "leadership threshold" statements are. After being told that Obama is 'against them' in the primaries, I don't see Dems in FL and MI running to his support in the general election... even if Sen.Clinton goes recanting door-to-door.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

MK, Los Angeles, CA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:22:45 GMT

First Read might also want to note that the final vote tally in PA was Clinton 54 Obama 45, not 55 to 45. Please go over to the PA SOS site, your numbers need a little correcting.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Independent in TN — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:23:09 GMT

NO, NO, NO . . . this is lazy journalism . . .
Do your homework!!!

Your numbers make the incorrect assumption that "Caucus delegates" equal "votes", while in fact, each caucus delegate represents MULTIPLE VOTERS

http://www.dcourage.com/Caucus%20Study.pdf

Obama actually leads by at least one million popular votes

Stop taking your story lines directly from the Clinton spin-meisters . . . it's irresponsible journalism

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Steve Z — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:24:16 GMT

If Clinton is going to credit Obama with ZERO votes in Michigan, why doesn't she just go all the way and count all his black votes as only 3/5ths of a white vote like the Constitution originally said?

Then she's WAY ahead!

Just shameless.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Murgatroyd, Umpqua, Oregon — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:24:59 GMT

Is Clinton so narcissistic that she'd suggest the last option, with MI/FLA giving Obama 0 in Fla?

Yep.

It's the same use of flawed logic, using only the data that supports one's arguement, that Bush used to take us to war.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Allen, Seattle WA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:26:18 GMT

Who cares about the popular vote other than Hillary? Please stop reporting this nonsense, lest disenfranchise all voters in Iowa, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and the rest of the caucus states that went heavily (+20%) for Obama. LISTEN UP OBAMA SURROGATES: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/23/01152/2705/129/501246

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Zeke, Etonvilla — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:26:30 GMT

You should mention that last estimate excludes the caucus states which don't report vote totals, which would put Obama over the top in any formulation.

I think in MI you shouldn't put "Uncommitted" for Obama- you should subtract their number from Clinton! After all, they voted "against" her.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Keith in PA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:27:41 GMT

There's no way you can come up with popular votes for caucus states. The process is really a party building exercise in addition to a selection process for a nominee. As you know, delegates will be the ones casting votes at the convention and those are the only numbers that matter. Forget the other stuff.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Brian M. De. — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:29:49 GMT

I must say interesting but not even worth entertaining the last 3 options since the rules are the rules. rule are not to be broken just to pump up the pride of a losing candidate.Sorry Hillary that sounds nice but it does not work. People from Fl. said on TV that they knew the rules and accepted them but would still vote dem in November.Face the facts campaigning just for Super Tuesday was a losing tactic. To think up all of these new ways to give yourself a victory outside of the Rules of theh Party is oe of the reasons you are untrustworthy. Obama dont stoop to their tricks and lower yourself to their level. Remember that when you stand in crap you smell like crap.They stink of it to all end and you dont. If you go negativethey will portray you as picking on Hillary then she will get more sympathy votes.Just stay on message and on course and you will find favor.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Kathleen, Manhattan Beach, CA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:30:40 GMT

Hey HRC - you beat him by 10 points and he still picked up 2 supers to your 1. How d'ya like them apples?

YES WE CAN!!

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Gregory Peek, Birmingham, Alabama — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:33:14 GMT

Superdelegates are a non-issue. No sane superdelegate wants to be part of the death of the Democratic Party.

In the 1986 Democratic primary for governor of Alabama, the narrow win by Charles Graddick was overturned by party officials for valid legal reasons. They determined that his narrow margin of victory was the result of his illegal misuse of his elected office of attorney general.

As a result of the Democratic Party's justifiable overturn of the public vote, Guy Hunt was elected as the first Republican governor since the 1870's. To this date, most Alabama governors are Republican.

None of the reasons Hillary Clinton comes up with for the superdelegates to overcome the valid public vote even remotely compares to the valid reason the Alabama Democratic vote was overturned.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Gail, Dayton, OH — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:33:27 GMT

Just like Chris Matthews send today, the media is keeping up this delusion that Hillary is still in this race. Why do we go through this exercise, because Hillary says so. I guess she has the grip on the Media that she has on the weak super delegates

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Ron, TX — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:34:09 GMT

Honestly why humor them with these FL/MI numbers? You are helping them move this goalpoast. Are you also going to put one up showing the votes in the iowa, nevada and so on too?

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

VL, FL — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:35:09 GMT

The Media only pushed the Florida Michigan issue for ratings and money and staff promotions and new media segments.

The DNC established rules advising that if any state pushed up their primaries their delegates would not be counted.

Both FL & MI decided to overthrow the rules knowing they would either in the RNC's case loose 50% of their delegates (suprising that the press does not address this issue AT ALL because the RNC fell in line and did not complain about loosing 50% of their delegates). But the RNC especially FL Gov talked continously about how FL Voters are disenfranchised interesting) and Fl as was MI told they would loose all their delegates should they disobey the national DNC rules. Both states proceeded.

All major Florida newspapers and pundits from the state kept advising the DNC at the state level that the national DNC was serious, but they insisted that they did not care and talked trash about the National DNC, thus proceeded to pass the law in the FL legislature to have the FL primary early.

Sen. Clinton signed a pledge as did Sen. Obama stating that the FL & MI votes would not count and they committed to the national DNC rules knowing that FL & MI would not be seated. Sen. Clinton said publicly that FL & MI did not count, "its just a beauty contest:

Once Sen. CLinton fell behind she quickly set aside her WORD (Trustworthy) and start complaining that the folks in FL and MI were being disenfranchised. Had she been in the lead she would not have complained.

The Media followed and only choose to interview those in FL who agreed with Sen. Clinton. Check the media interviews you won't find one person in FL that they interviewed that said they were not disfranchised and agreed with the National DNC rules. You see that doesn't make for good TV and ratings.

Millions in FL agree with the National DNC and we don't feel that we are disfranchised. At least the media should they have been responsible journalist and should have reported BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE. THEY CHOSE NOT TO IN LIEU OF RATINGS.

Now the entire country thinks we are sitting in these states mad as mad can get because we ALL have been disenfranchised. SIMPLY NOT TRUE1 When in essence it's just like any other issue we have millions that DISAGREE with Sen. Clinton AND many that AGREE.

THIS IS NOT A ONE SIDED ISSUE AND THOSE OF US WHO DON'T AGREE WITH THE MEDIA OR SEN. CLINTON CHANGING HER WORD OR THE CONTINUED MEDIA FODDER ARE VERY ANGRY THAT THE MEDIA HAS CHOSEN TO REPORT ONLY ONE SIDE OF THE STORY.

The media will not report the actual process of what happened between the National DNC and both states FL and MI. The media nor Sen. Clinton (since she took back her word)will not recognize or acknowledge that Sen. Obama played by the rules and most important KEPT HIS WORD.

IF YOU CAN'T TRUST A PRESIDENT'S WORD WHAT DO YOU HAVE?

Only CNN reported that the majority of those Floridians that showed up at the poles TO vote were overwhelmingly Republicans NOT Democrats!

The only reason that a number of Democrats showed up at the FL poles was because of Admendment 29 a promise by the FLA Gov and the entire FL legislature to decrease all Floridians Property Taxes. Otherwise the number of Democrats voting would have been substanially less because we knew our votes would not count.

Many of us showed up to vote for the bill and many showed up to stop the Admendment because we knew that passing this Bill with no budget would result in many city, state, and local employees including our schools loosing their jobs, which is exactly what the state is experiencing now while they cut the overall state budget substantially.

So playing with the numbers is just not RENSONPSIBLE JOURNALISM when the media knows the DNC rules and the DNC has said it will comply with the rules, it's just plain all about the ratings.

THE MEDIA HAS REACHED FAR PAST BEING RESPONSIBLE JOURNALIST. LET'S HOPE THAT THE CURRENT REPORTING AND PLAYING WITH NUMBERS 'JUST FOR FUN' IS NOT WHAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO EXPECT IN THE FUTURE. WE EXPECT THE TRUTH NOT SOME GAME CONTINOUSLY CONDUCTED FOR MEDIA FODDER WHEN THEY KNOW THESE SENARIOS ARE NOT REALISTIC AND WON'T HAPPEN.

We the American people are much smarter than the media thinks we are. They should remember we are the Voters and will make up our own minds without any Media help.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Jeremy, Seattle WA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:36:37 GMT

I find it offensive that people quote these "popular vote" numbers that don't include any estimate of votes from the Iowa, Nevada, Maine or Washington caucuses. So what if it's harder to get authoritative numbers from those contests - it shouldn't be about doing the easy thing, it should be about reporting the right numbers.

It's bad enough that the Clinton campaign tries to diminish the role of caucus states, it's that much worse when the mainstream media buys into that view as well.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

NO SPIN — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:37:04 GMT

Who is the stronger candidate?

Who is the new kid on the block that has the established Clinton dynasty fighting for their lives?
BARACK OBAMA

How is he doing it?
Playing by the rules of the game.

American's are waaaaaay underestimating the strenght of this American.

Obama 08

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

KN, LA, Ca — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:38:14 GMT

I've been wondering what makes a woman so relentless in her quest, against all odds, far beyond just being a fighter and into an obsessive desperate attempt as if without it her oxygen will be cut off.

It came to me. Her husband took what should have been terrific years - first lady of a state and then the nation - and turned it into a tawdry sideshow of his/their sex life. It wasn't a vast rightwing consipiracy, it was the corner porn shop. I can't imagine a more humiliating experience. And so public.

Yet here they still are, and now her fortunes are rising while he's relegated to backyard incendiary remarks. If she's president she becomes an historic figure while he's a footnote, notable only for his impeachment.

Could it be the ultimate revenge? Could it be her deep rage at her husband's chronic infidelity that drives her, not passion for the American people? How else to explain her inability to face the truth about delegate counts, just as she seems to avoid the truth about the definition of marriage.

And to Clinton supporters I would remind them: do you really want that circus again? The behavior that left Al Gore in a bind by not being able to run on the Clinton administration successes? And a country so exhausted from it all that Bush and his fake morality looked good?

Think about it. The Clinton years came with a very high cost. She doesn't have experience, she has a very thick skin and a white hot rage at the injustice of it all.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Demarcus J., Columbia, Tennessee — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:39:12 GMT

Hillary Clinton is no different from George W. Bush, who won by dividing the nation. The Clinton camp has been very successful at painting Obama as the "dark" candidate, interjecting race at every turn of this primary season. In some ways I wish that Obama supporters were has hateful and irrational as Clinton supporters are. Irrational, because despite the state of nationwide depression that eight years of Bush and a Republican led leadership has reaped upon the United States, huge numbers of Clinton supporters are willing to vote of McCain instead of Obama, for no other reason than "because its Obama". I am beginning to regret switching to the Democratic Party. Clinton is doing everything possible to divide this electorate, which is just plain sad and unfortunate. It is clear to me that Clinton has played every card in the deck...the race card, the gender card, the working-class card, etc. And, it appears to be having an impact. The Clinton camp knows exactly what it is doing and I for one cannot stand to think of ANOTHER Clinton Administration. I guess Americans are NOT ready for change, because if Clinton supporters truly believe that change will come with Hillary Clinton, then they are the delusional ones!

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

garth, los angele, CA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:39:22 GMT

Enough with the popular vote nonsense. Do you know what a campaign based on popular vote would look like? It'd be 6 months of candidates hanging around Brooklyn coffee shops. Chuck, sit down with a cold beer and some Thomas Jefferson, and you'll soon see how utterly ridiculous HRC's popular vote contortions are. Come on, buddy, you're the numbers guy, but you can also be the substance guy.

Delegate update: NE super to Obama

Kim, Pasadena, CA — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:42:45 GMT

Thank you for your "fun with popular vote" numbers -- it does put it partially into perspective, but I wish you would also include some representative number for the record numbers of people who caucused. It is appalling that the caucus states are routinely dismissed by Senator Clinton as meaningless and worse when the media fails to tell us that the overall popular vote numbers ridiculously underrepresent the caucus states.