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Chuck, NY — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:22:27 GMT

News flash…it is pandering stupid. Hey Hill, when are you going to pass this facade? Can’t you folks see what is going on? If she wants to attempt, and it’s unlikely Bush would sign it, any suspension of the gas tax for this summer, she would have to get Congress to act immediately. Then if this miracle were to happen, the transportation fund would go almost a year with and a half before the windfall profits legislation she wants would once again receive the monies. There is no way in hell Bush is going to sign off, and I bet the Repukes will battle extra hard, any windfall profits tax increase; even he she was President.

So wake up all you Clinton moronic voters. This is pandering and another Clinton gimmick.

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Gregory Peek, Birmingham, Alabama — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:27:53 GMT

Time to take the high road.

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garyd, amherst, nh — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:29:02 GMT

As Guam goes so goes the country. There is an ingrained Guamish folklore that states - "When the shell and the bird are in line and the year does end in nine then he of a darker skin will be in the house of white in Washington". As Guam goes so goes the country.

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sotiredofignorance — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:29:21 GMT

The "Morning Joe" show is unwatchable. When will MSNBC recognize that they need an adult to anchor that program?

I don't care if Joe is a Republican, I can't watch him because of his sophomoric behavior.

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Paul Miller, Woodbridge, VA — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:29:52 GMT

The only thing of relevence I saw regarding the presidential race in this blog entry was Obama had moved to within 19 superdelegates, and is scheduled to get a few more today.

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mary lee atlanta georgia — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:29:56 GMT

I'M RICH ... GOD BLESS ME

HILLARY CLINTON

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JNK, Covington, IN — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:30:57 GMT

I love to read your morning updates. I have one question, though... Why bother devoting an entire section to Bill Clinton's schedule? (You cover it in the campaign stop summary at the end...)

Also, maybe Obama would 'turn the corner' if reporters focused on his policy statements more. Even HRC has said it's time to stop focusing on Wright.

I'm intrigued by this 'gas tax holiday' idea -- because it cannot be achieved by decree once a person becomes the nominee (and it has *no* congressional support). A great story for MSNBC would be to outline whether this is a fantasy (or pandering, or a lie to get votes) or whether there is actually some procedure she could follow to make it a reality.

Also, I'd like to see some follow-up on Campaign Promises from earlier primaries... Maybe a "Where are they now?" type of piece.

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Andrew Kenneth, Durham N.C. — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:31:56 GMT

This horse race ends in May, the truth is one candidate will get the pledged delegate majority in May, and yes Superdelegates can vote their conscience but no never in the history of this system have they overturned the pledged delegate majority leader.
Lets just hope whoever finishes second doesn't get politically euthanized by his or her party.

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OBwan, In — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:32:17 GMT

What's the gas mileage Bill's motorcade? Pretty low I bet - there you go burning up my fuel.

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the Pajama Pundit — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:32:30 GMT

My predictions :::

Indiana: Clinton wins by 4 points.
N. Carolina: Obama wins by 8 points.

The sad story here will be that the media will paint this as a 'victory' for Hillary. It seems that the media loves her 'comeback kid' meme.

I think it's bunk.

http://thepajamapundit.com/

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turnip — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:33:25 GMT

The only reporters that I have seen ask Senator Obama about Rev Wright over the past couple of days are NBC and MSNBC reporters. YOU are the ones still asking the question. A little intellectual honesty here please.

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Frannie — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:34:00 GMT

No. Obama, can't get through an interview without ALL THE "white boys", TODD, MATTHEWS, SCARBOROUGH, BUCHANAN, and RUSSERT CONSTANTLY Bringing it up Rev. Wright EVERYTIME you interview him or even talk about Barack in passing. You ALL have tried your "locker room racist best" to lambast him while LETTING "your" candidates CLINTON and McCain have a pass on ALL their LIES, MISSTEPS and RACE BAITING.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-giordano/operation-anti-chaos-the_b_99965.html

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Terry, IN — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:34:54 GMT

1. If the gas tax holiday is such a great idea

2. If it is something that can be done for this summer

3. If the people are so desperate for immediate relief

Why hasn't Clinton started the ball rolling already? She hasn't even introduced a bill?

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R, Morgantown WV — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:35:07 GMT

Please explain how Hillary has gained 13 superdelegates since Super Tuesday, Feb. 5,
BUT
gained 20 since Junior Super Tuesday, March 4.

Does that mean she has gained a total of 33?

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jerry/corpus christi texas — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:36:47 GMT

If there was ever a day to do a day-on-the-trail story about Bill Clinton.

If i were the Clinton people, I would keep some pills nearby to keep him calm...

I'm not woried about the democrats gaining a few more seats in the house. After two years of the worst congress in history, people will finally get the message when gas hits $6.00 a gallon and a loaf of bread hits $6.00 and congress doesnothing about it. Then people will realize that thi "greening" of America is nothing but a sham and the GOP will ride herd in 2010.

When you have a leader like Nancy Pelosi in the house, you have pretty much hit rock bottom.

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Eric, Salinas, CA — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:37:02 GMT

With all the baggage that Hillary "Republican" Clinton has been spewing forth lately it's a shame the media isn't hammering her more, the way they did with Obama and Wright. Just goes to show the media does not want this contest to end just so they can make more money.

Go Obama!

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Concern Citizen — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:37:34 GMT

Why no one in MSM is talking about this. Search Google on Hillary's former pastor Rev. Willam Procanick.
When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the Bible during his sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court earlier this year, he swore to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
But as the former Clinton pastor was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home last March, Judge Michael L. Dwyer said Procanick sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.
"As a minister of God, you got on the stand and you lied," Dwyer told Procanick, the 54-year-old former pastor of Resurrection Assembly of God church on Kirkland Avenue.
A jury found Procanick guilty Jan. 22 of first-degree sexual abuse and endangering the welfare of a child.

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Ron, TX — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:37:36 GMT

I love it when two polls say exactly opposite things, because I feel like it reminds the public that the media is full of it... In the media's current state, it's nothing more than a mouthpiece. Gone are the days of valuable journalism backed up with real research and meaningful story lines. Now, it's all about who can pull the cheap trick shot. When did the media decide to let the far right control the tactics? That's the REAL question that should be asked every day? Since when did the far-right politics of deception and mudslinging because standard media practice?

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Peter McGarvey, Venice,Florida — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:38:31 GMT

If you haven's seen this yet, your missing it. Just google to floridademandsrepresentation . Then speak up, and make your voice heard.

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Carole, Fort Lauderdale — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:38:32 GMT

I'm really curious about why Tim Russert didn't ask Barack Obama about his appearance on MTP in January 2006 (yes 2006) where Obama said he would serve out his first Senate term in full and that he would not run for president or vice president in 2008. Tim Russert always goes back and points out lies and changes of position and asks candidates about them. I guess it's a rhetorical issue, because it's been clear for months that NBC and MSNBC will go to any length to support Obama's candidacy and to dismiss and demean Senator Clinton, including gender abuse. If Obama receives the nomination, he should appoint Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Eugene Robinson, Andrea Mitchell, David Shuster, Rachel Maddow, and Chuck Todd to posts in his administration if they want them. I wonder why Shuster hasn't made any remarks about the Obamas using their young children in the campaign yesterday. I dare him to say what he said about Chelsea Clinton about the Obama children.

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Leanza Cornett — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:39:06 GMT

Facts are a stubborn thing. Obama cannot close his 20 year old relationship with Wright because there is so much video evidence against it. On the TV program THE VIEW, Obama declared that Reverend Wright accepted that his views of America were inappropriate and mischaracterized, that his words had offended many people. Then weeks later Wright goes on a national Hate America Tour? This was either a blatant lie; Obama using clever semantics to avoid the main issue. Or worse, Obama was fooled by Wright which is kind of scary. That a possible next president can be played by a character such as Wright. Check the video evidence yourselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6J7yJ9R5p0

And if the video is not enough: Read this in politico.com which calls on Obama to state the truth.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10043.html

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mad in Madtown — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:43:53 GMT

Goods about the special election in Louisiana. We don't need more Woodys in congress.

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Pat huntington NY — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:43:53 GMT

In the interest of Democrat Unity, I will only comment on the polls showing both Obama and Clinton beating McCain by double digits. I'm not surprised, as even by republican parents are not comfortable with Senator Grumpy old Man wearing Depends.

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Just Me — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:44:07 GMT

Anyone else find it oxymoronic that Rush Limbaugh is fronting "Operation Chaos", yet Hillary is arguing popular vote counts?

I hear Rush has a new book out, "Hacking democracies for Dummies"

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nmt — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:45:43 GMT

I just watched Hilary pandering on good morning America,She talks so much about other issues when asked directly whether this oil tax gas break will work....she knows it will not, but she hopes her supporters will still suport her....??? I honestly do not understand her supporters...do you want America for America, or America for the Clintons>>>...Democrats, what do you guys believe in...honestly....Hilary did the same mnistake about her healthcare proposal, she did not listen to any expert advice...well, we all know what happened to health care....
she used the same stanz for the war...and claimed she had read al intelligent reports, and voted for it????
Americans, honestly , dont you fell pandered to?????
BTW, where is My candidates good morning america bit, you only have hilary here.....i am tired of being pundered to..i want to listen to integrity...and speeches that come from the heart>>.......

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Disappointed in MSNBC — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:46:21 GMT

Chuck, curious why on poll watch, you jump on the poll which is least favorable to Obama. All week you guys have been talking about the Gallup poll which had Hilliary up by 4. Now Obama is up by 4 but you chose not to mention. You bias is shining thru harshly. What happen to fair & balanced. You being a numbers person, I am surprised how off course you have fallen.

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Nashville_fan — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:46:40 GMT

America! Stand up and be counted! We can change America - but only if we work TOGETHER!

Obama '08/'12

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MSierra, SF — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:47:39 GMT

'...Bill Clinton makes a whopping nine stops in North Carolina today, most of them in rural parts of the state...'

A CON MAN selling SNAKE OIL

Slick Willie murdered the Carolina furniture and clothing industries with his NAFTA and WTO sell outs

He destroyed manufacturing in Indiana as well as mortally wounding organized labor

At least he made $109 MILLIOM out of selling out the American working class

TURN the PAGE

THROW THE BUMS OUT !

DON'T BRING THE BUMS BACK !

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Geoff in Brooklyn — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:47:44 GMT

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iowan — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:47:46 GMT

Man, I really hate to pile on here, but "disastrous" (re one poll, while another shows big differences the other way) and, in another posting here, "desperate". Are you kidding me?

Chubby Russert spent 20 minutes of my Sunday morning rehashing the preacher business and getting the same answers we've been hearing. Yeah, we're all tired of it. Russert, you are much better than that---though certainly nowhere as bad as ABC--which got less than 3 minutes of HRC running over Boy George.

I hope the folks in Indiana figure it out; I think they're a smarter bunch than (sorry) their confreres (gratuitous elitist word, deliberately) in PA or OH and will have figured outwhere the Clintons' (and Republicans, not that there is much difference) real interest lies.

Call the track doctor. It's time to put the filly down.

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nmt — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:48:15 GMT

isnt it funny how hilary suporters really have nothing to say about their candidate , when asked facts, but have alot of crap to say about Obama, based on their ignorance and bias.......are these the people choosing the next POTUS????
God Bless America.

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NM Dave — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:48:33 GMT

It's going to be a pleasure watching these "has beens" moan and cry when Obama beats McCain.

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Dave F, South of Chicago, IL — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:49:43 GMT

I would love to know why Wright keeps coming up in Obama interviews when a large majority of people are satisfied with how he's handled the issue, yet an even larger majority DON'T KNOW about John McCain and Reverend Hagee. Why is that? Why does McCain get a pass on an endorsement he ACTIVELY sought, yet Obama gets blasted because the guy was his pastor whom he's already distanced himself from?

I don't care so much that the stories sometimes are weighted one way or the other from day to day, but when one party gets a pass on an issue that other one constantly gets hammered on, there's a serious double-standard happening in the newwrooms across the country. What happened to fairness in journalism?

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Julie Cline, Santa Barabara, CA — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:50:11 GMT

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BJ, CA — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:50:34 GMT

Sell our vote for gasoline
=The oil companies win again....

I thought the ECONOMY was the issue..as well as JOBS

Anybody agree???

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Pete - Albany, NY — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:51:04 GMT

If Senator Clinton refuses to listen to economists on the gas tax holiday maybe she'll listen to one of her Superdelegates, Gov. Patterson of NY?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/5743974.html

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Frannie — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:53:09 GMT

Hillary the carpetbagger U.S. Senator from NY said she "wasn't interested in running for President" up until she declared her candidacy. You hypocritcal racist bigots only see a problem with Barack because he is an African American. Period.

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Patrick, Houston, TX — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:54:45 GMT

I love how the economists who have decried Hillary's pandering gas tax cut proposal are "elites" from whom she wishes to distance herself, while advisors on Iran's political leadership are experts in the field.

Is anyone really buying this crap?

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Lisa, New Britain, CT...working class voter AGAINST Gas Tax Holiday — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:54:46 GMT

The gas tax holiday as a defining issue for the campaigns speaks volumes...one candidate says anything she needs to to win...one candidate tells truth to power. I'll take the latter.

She thinks she can buy votes for $30. Heck, I'll send you $50 to vote for Obama (not really, but only because I don't have $50 for everyone who needs it and because it would be unethical). Oh but its ethical when Clinton does it ::eyeroll::.

I continue to have faith.

(ps, Joe, Buchanan doesn't care if Hillary offends all of us by going nuclear, he's a conservative Republican as are you. Thank God for Mika)

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Joe S. Raleigh, NC — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:54:58 GMT

Vote for Hillary to save the Democratic Party. Vote for Obama to give the keys to the GOP.

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Rick, NC — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:55:04 GMT

the math game...thats funny...we all know democrats cant' handle math or they wouldn't think taking 50% or more of our earnings to fund the losers of the world adds up

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Terry, IN — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:55:08 GMT

Hey, start your morning off with a laugh. Swallow your coffee first.

After 2 faint, Clinton cracks joke about making 'em swoon
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90F2L7O0&show_article=1

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Fighting Bill Hussein — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:55:28 GMT

A new USA Today/Gallup poll out today is disastrous for Obama. He now trails Clinton by seven points and trails her by five on the question of who would be the more electable nominee.... Meanwhile, the latest New York Times/CBS poll has better numbers for Obama: He has a 12-point lead over Clinton...

Okay, Firstread, can you please explain how Obama's 12 point lead as registered in the NY TIMES/CBS poll isn't disastrous news for HILLARY, given the media trials and tribulations of the past two weeks for Obama?

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Steve, Boston — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:55:55 GMT

I stopped watching Morning Joe too. I know that republicans would like to run against another Clinton that's toting around a lot of baggage in a "change" election, but Joe's, Buchanan's, Hannity's, O'Reilly's, & Rush's kissing up to Hillary makes me want to puke. These shows are stupid & full of one-sided opinions...not once do they put an economist or historian on the show. Instead Rudolph Scarborough is the only expert blabbering on while a puzzled Mika just nods & ponders about something weak to come back with. Oh boy, if these fools pass for intellectuals then we're all doomed. Cable news sucks!

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steve lynchburg,va — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:56:01 GMT

After watching Michelle Obama on CSPAN this weekend, I see why you guys don't cover her, except for taking one sentence out of context. She will be the strongest, most intelligent first lady this country has ever had. If she got half the attention Bill does, Hillary would be long gone.

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JCar — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:56:53 GMT

What your polls don't show you is how tired we are of Hillary and Bill and all the drama and lies. Why don't you poll Americans how tired they are with the slanted media coverage? In my poll, Obama is winning by 100%

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Maggie, VT — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:57:04 GMT

After watching the tirade on Morning Joe this morning, it is my last. Joe Scarborough has no respect for woman. Had I been Mika, I would have walked off the set. All he thinks about is Hillary!!!! He actually believes her lies!!!!! He is , an elite, a condescening person!!!! Pat B. lives in the past. That was years ago, let's get on with reality. It is very plain to see anyone on MSNBC dislikes Obama. It is so sad that they do not give equal time to each candidate.How obvious can you be???? Please get Scarborough off this show and bring in someone who respects people.

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Not Here — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:57:36 GMT

Vote with your remote. Ratings equals money, money talks and, well you get the point.

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BB, winter haven, florida — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:57:55 GMT

These hack reporters will continue to fuel the fire because it keeps them employed. It's the media that's throwing the kitchen sink at Obama. I can't even listen to them anymore, it's sickening. How about focusing on what really matters? Let's figure out how we're going to fix this country. How about putting some dignity back into reporting. The MSM is hell bent on tearing this country apart.

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JCar — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:58:03 GMT

Fairness in journalism? What's that?

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HP Boston — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:58:22 GMT

The man who tried to soar above politics has been brought back to earth by the same media organizations that helped fuel his spectacular rise. After more than a year of mostly glowing coverage, Barack Obama is having to defend his relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his temerity in not sporting a flag pin, even his arugula-loving, bad-bowling, let-me-eat-my-waffle persona.
Barry can not win the GE.
Barry has the new and shinning baggage that takes him nowhere.
Barry will never ever be able to wash the stink off his past, with all his "close friends" ever present, at his side, behind his back and WRIGHT up front!

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Fed Up — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:58:47 GMT

Non-stop Rev. Wright by the media ... even Matt this morning ... no mention of sniper fire though. Seems NBC/MSNBC is STILL choosing to guide the voters with their sensationalism. So many issues, yet at least half of Obama's time on the Today Show interview was spent on Wright. Ludicrous!

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Hermine Clouser — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:58:48 GMT

I took a gas holiday and did not watch morning Joe today. To the economists Hillary said, "Don't confuse me with the facts". Sadly, Hillary's constituency thinks in the immediate moment and does not like "people who are different". Superdelegates know that ignorant racism should not dictate an outcome. I loved the Guam lore near the beginning of the comments. I am praying that a loss in Indiana will not send Obama's camp into a tailspin. Obama's family looks like a poster photo for family values! Middle-aged, white evangelical female in Central PA.

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Patrick, Houston, TX — Mon, 05 May 2008 13:58:55 GMT

Dave, the difference is simple. McCain was not and is not a member of Hagee's church, while Obama was a long standing member in Wright's church.

With that said, I think the Wright situation has been blown way out of proportion to it's actual importance.

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Stewart, Bethesda, MD — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:00:26 GMT

PREDICTIONS..... HILLARY WILL WIN BOTH NC AND INDIANA, BIG.
obama elite friends will obviously agree with him to not give SMALL TOWN people a break.

Whats up with olbermann, bashing Hillary going on fox but ignore obama going on fox. olbermann, thats why REAL PATRIOTIC AMERICANS who believe in free speech and an inclusive America stop watching your obama campaign show.

The CBS/NYTIMES polls are always polling obama campaign staffers just like newsweek and NBC polls, so nobody takes them serious or thinks they are a credible outfit.

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Phyllis, New Jersey — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:00:40 GMT

Leanza-
I suggest you watch the MTP interview from Sunday. I think Senator Obama completely answered all the questions regarding Rev. Wright.
It's nice that you are concerned about Senator Obama's former pastor. Maybe now you can move on to other things. For example did you know that 48 soldiers died in Iraq in April? How many others were injured?

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Barbara, Texas — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:00:50 GMT

There was a Chuck Todd article talking about coverage of front runners wherein he pointed out all the talk about Rev. Wright while virtually ignoring Hillary's much more serious "obliterate" comment. Gee, Chuck, maybe you and your Ace Reporters might have talked about some importat issues once in awhile.

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Linda. Boston, MA — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:01:00 GMT

OBAMA has already rebounded in the Gallop Daily tracking poll. He is back up to 49%-45%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106981/Gallup-Daily-Obama-49-Clinton-45.aspx

Hillary is the one with electability problems. Obama just had his WORST week so far, and Hillary just won PA... yet Obama is still ahead in the national polls, and he continues to get the endorsement of superdelegates by almost a 2:1 ratio. If she can't catch up to him after going through his worst week, then she never will. The bad news for Clinton - the worst is over for Obama, it's smooth sailing from here on out.

So she can continue to fight until the last primary (and I suspect she will), but it will be all for naught. She can't catch him in pledged delegates, contests won, or popular vote. Period. She will not be the nominee. If she wants to continue to waste her supporters' money, that's her prerogative. But it won't change the end result.

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Lynn Welch, Kernersville, NC — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:03:53 GMT

RE: Carole in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. If I'm not badly mistaken, Shuster was suspended for 2 weeks for his comments about Chelsea Clinton. I'm just sick and tired of all the "gotcha" moments. We should be talking about all the problems that this country is facing.

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nmt — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:04:19 GMT

leanza Cornet., have you read todays hoffington post? it says there are those who are either very ignorant, or just pushing untruths, knowing they are untruths, for whatever reason their motivation...
the reason why your candidate has such high negatives is her stubbornness in the face of wrong.
she has carried this same characteristic when she was passing her heathcare bill ( that did not succeed), or when she voted for the war. Now her stubborness in pushing for the tax break reminds me of all the wrongs of the clintons!!!They take advantage of the little knowledge, unfortunately, majority of her supporters have, just to win votes. Do some serious research.
If your candidate humbled herself more, and spoke the truth, not just for the sake of politics..maybe , as a woman , i would vote for her.....
Obama clearly brings a fresh page to this washington games...and honestly, that is what america needs right now.....A man of integrity, not a woman who says anything, at the expense of the electorate to get votes!! Americans, especially hilary supporters, do your selves a favor, do some real research...then decide....the whole world sees through these, and our headlines ( I am in Canada)...are different...we see through this....

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Al — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:04:50 GMT

Obama is upsetting two entities here - The powerful Clinton machine and the powerful media that has always had a say in positioning the candidate of its choice. In spite of all the negative coverage and cheap shots, Obama still leads Clinton in every category. We've finally found a candidate that the public will not believe the propaganda about. We all have to admit that their are some whites that will not vote for him simply because he is non white..does not matter if he is Asian, Latino or Black, that pocket of uneducated racists will vote for the worst available white candidate to keep the White House :white. So sad. Its almost reminds one of when in Biblical times the people had a choice of whether to spare Jesus or Barabas the murderer, they cried GIVE US BARABAS..so sad.

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Diane, Apex, NC — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:05:12 GMT

My husband and I voted on Saturday in NC's Early Voting. The lines were phenomenal! Here is my question - why is there no 'Exit Polling' done during early voting? Here in NC at least 400,000 to 500,000 or more voted between April 26 and May 2. But the Exit Polling is only done on Election Day. Seems like this omission could give a false sense on demographics, etc. Any ideas as to why no exit polling is done during this period? Thanks! (btw, we are white, in our mid-fifties, and voted for Obama)

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Pete - Albany, NY — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:08:06 GMT

A new USA Today/Gallup poll out today is disastrous for Obama. He now trails Clinton by seven points and trails her by five on the question of who would be the more electable nominee.

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How about a little perspective here, folks?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_primaries.html

Back in high school I was taught about polling. A higher sample size equals more accurate results.

Gallup/USA Today sampled only 516 likely voters. Meanwhile, Gallup on their own sampled 1267 voters and got Obama +4.

Kinda puts the damper on that result you point go...by the way, neither is indicative of anything but I guess you won't let that get in the way of a story, eh?

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Mel, PA — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:08:58 GMT

You are really really start to wear me down... BUT I still have enough fight left in me to keep asking all day today - WHAT ABOUT MAGNEQUENCH?!

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say_what? Greater SF Bay Area, CA — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:08:59 GMT

NEWSFLASH!!! It is entirely up to the idiot press to stop hyping the Wright story. The viewing audience is sick to death of it. CNN has declared a moratorium on Wright. At what point does msnbc plan to shut it down? After mccain gains the Oval Office?

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Cindi in Louisiana — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:09:00 GMT

As a hope-filled , idealistic Obama supporter, I am feeling pretty "bummed" about now. For the first time during this campaign, I believe that the media's baised coverage just might wrest this nomination away from Obama and give it to Hillary. I mean, it has been Wright, Wright, and more Wright ( I have some ideas about who paid him to re-emerge on the scene just before two of the biggest remaining primaries, but I won't mention that here.) I am appalled that the media has NOT let people know that the Clintons are involved in the Peter Paul fraud case. It is conceivable that she could win the presidency and then go off to jail or at least result in a second Clinton impeachment. Amazing that the media felt that it was more important to cover a nuuty pastor who obviously is NOT in Obama's camp.

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Susan E. Bahama NC — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:09:33 GMT

I'm particularly disappointed in Chuck Todd. He was fabulous a few months ago in the early primaries, when he'd get on the numbers and make your head spin.

Now, he does this deadly dull presentation of numbers that are absolutely the worst that can be found for Obama, and the best that can be found for Hillary. Not even criticism of the methods the pollsters use, and why they may differ.

Chuck, even you sound bored. Are you doing your own reporting, or is someone else telling you what to say?

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Real Clear Polls — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:10:40 GMT

Again, you only report polling from one pro Clinton place. You don't know what fair and balanced means.
MSM==free Clinton advertising.

Poll Date Sample Obama Clinton Spread
RCP Average 04/28 - 05/04 -- 46.0 44.7 Obama +1.3
USA Today/Gallup 05/01 - 05/03 516 LV 44 51 Clinton +7.0
CBS News/NY Times 05/01 - 05/03 283 LV 50 38 Obama +12.0
Rasmussen Tracking 05/01 - 05/04 900 LV 46 45 Obama +1.0
Gallup Tracking 05/01 - 05/03 1267 V 49 45 Obama +4.0
CNN 04/28 - 04/30 441 RV 46 45 Obama +1.0
FOX News 04/28 - 04/29 400 LV 41 44 Clinton +3.

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Linda — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:10:49 GMT

Hillary doesn't need money for her campaign; she has the media. Most all media networks talk about Hillary and in a positive way but when you mention Obama it negative. Obama was great on "Meet the Press" and I see you did a negative sound bite from the show. Hillary just kept flapping her lips on Stephanopoulos show and she even took control...like a cannon out of control. Do you want someone in the WH that will not listen. If so, kept Bush for four more year. You need to stop with your subliminal subjections about Obama and be fair. Americans we are smart than the media give us credit. Think for yourself and not let the media think for you. I'll see if this will be posted.

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Amy — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:11:07 GMT

Most people in this country want someone with experience; and I'm not talking YEARS of legistlation but years advocating for working class american. We need a President for ALL of America and I think the choices that Obama has made in his life have proven that he will be divisive. If you don't subscribe to black separatism then why on earth would you be a member of a black separatist church?
That would be like me saying I've attended KKK meetings for 20 years but I don't support everything they say. That just doesn't ring true with most people. I think it's more likely that Rev. Wright's explanation (the guy who's known him for 20 years versus his supporters who've only been acquainted with him for a little over a year) hit the nail on the head when he said that Obama said what he said with denouncing Wright's comments because Obama is a politican and says what he says to get elected.

That makes sense a lot more than Obama's denunciation ONLY after being personally affected.

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tina, ar — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:12:00 GMT

Joe "Good Morning Joe" STINKS! He is constantly acting as if Americans are stupid! Dude, we drink beer, iced tea, and eat ribs on the weekends but we also have a brain. Elitist, Joe, someone who thinks that he knows America, but can only spout what someone has told him about America. Oh, and Clinton's nuclear option, I got news for you we won't come back in Nov. we will just sit our butts home. You see the Clinton campaign has been bought and paid for by those Wall Street elitist, and Obama's has been paid for pay normal American citizens. So, NO, we won't forgive and forget. Just like in 2000 and 2004 we will look at the idiots who vote for Clinton and say, "At least I didn't do that to my children!"

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Anne, IL — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:12:09 GMT

What is with MSNBC running the Dan Abrams "special" on Reverend Wright over and over again this past weekend? Talk about helping out Hillary! Your bias was definitely showing.
Go OBAMA!

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Briggs S — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:12:41 GMT

Listening to Obama on Meet The Press on Sunday, the man has no clue when it comes to the foreign policy, the economy, defense, and on and on. Just more rhetoric and populist speeches from a man that has yet to take a stand on anything. He's just an awful candidate.

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Tim, Grand Rapids, MI — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:13:00 GMT

So does the Democratic winner of the LA special election (Don Cazayoux) become a super delegate, too? And, if so, who is he leaning towards?

Carole (Fort Lauderdale):
While I think you might have a point regarding Olbermann being for Obama, I think the others are neutral to Clinton-leaning. I think Maddow and Todd are the most centrist of the bunch. I think Maddow would like to see Clinton win, but that hasn't colored her reporting too much; she has been just as willing to point out a Clinton blunder or gaffe as she has an Obama blunder. Todd, on the other hand, is just crunching the numbers, and if the numbers seem to favor Obama, I don't think you can extrapolate his opinion from him reporting that fact. Andrea Mitchell is strongly pro-Clinton, I think, possibly due to personal feelings and possibly due to having traveled with and covered that campaign.

Lastly, regarding Schuster's comment... you would have a point wondering why he wouldn't say the same thing about Obama's children that he said about Chelsea if the Obama's were doing the same thing that the Clintons were/are doing. Let me know when the Obama children are traveling around, stumping for their dad and answering questions at universities around the country. While you may not like Schuster's diction, you cannot complain that he does not say the same thing about the Obamas. The comparison simply does not hold.

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olga, studio city, ca — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:13:03 GMT

What a joy to read this post early in the morning. America is smarter than that, better than that to believe Hillary's pandering. We all know who speaks from the heart and means what he says. it's Obama!! he's going to win this nomination and the general election and together we will change America and we will change the world!
Obama '08

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GOBAMA — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:13:14 GMT

*** The weekend in delegates: Obama picked up four superdelegates over the weekend, to Clinton’s net of zero.******

The polls matter of course. However, there are tons of them, and they are all over the place.

I'll stake my hope on the only poll that matters at this point. Obama picked up four supers to Hillary's big goose egg!

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LB, Virginia — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:13:34 GMT

Mika had become Joe's little messy haired sex symbol. It's disgusting. Tell her to put on some decent work clothes, something other than pouty teen lip gloss and act your age. It's embarassing, and I'm sure her girls would die if they knew what a cave in she's become just for ratings. I hope her dad can talk some sense into her! Bring back Andrea, at least she put Joe where he belonged--in high school!

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Angela Morabito, Creve Couer, Missouri — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:14:37 GMT

If anyone read Chuck Todd's big front page article on the MSNBC political page this week-end you would have seen how much real disdain he feels for Obama. It was unbelievable! Shame on Todd who is supposed to be neutral. Very obvious he is pushing Hillary. Someone wrote in Saturday saying that Todd's wife works for McCain which would explain why Todd is for Clinton to be the nominee. Look at Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough. They are so worried for the GOP if Obama gets the nomination that they are Hillary's biggest cheerleaders. I am really getting disgusted with MSNBC. You are so biased for Hillary - now even Chuck Todd.

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Kimmer — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:15:01 GMT

MSMBC's coverage is becoming a joke - right when it has the chance to be seen as a beacon of light in the mix of all the media reporting.

Your NEED to keep Hillary in the race to sell more advertising yourselves has become blantantly clear and I hope you read what is posted on this site today. Many of us are fed up with your 'pandering' journalism for the Clinton folks.

And I agree with a post earlier - Morning Joe has become unwatchable.

Please rethink your strategy - we need a solid and reputible place to come for news and information regarding this historic and important race. Please stop YOUR pandering....

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Cindi in Louisiana — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:16:25 GMT

Does anyone else think that Obama has made a BIG mistake by devoting so much time in Indiana, a state he will probabaly not win, and neglecting North Carolina, a state that he MUST win? As an Obama supporter, I have grown concerned about his shrinking numbers in North Carolina, especially because the number of undecideds ( who always go to Hillary) equal his % lead in the state now. If he wins by only a few points, or God forbid, loses this contest, the witch will have enough ammunition to go to superdels and plead her case that he is unelectable. Just my opinion that he should have made sure of a WIN in this state.

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Quinn — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:16:46 GMT

What is Hillary's latest lie?

She went on TWO networks this morning and said...

"Senator Obama has said that he expects to win both Indiana and North Carolina tomorrow by double-digits."

THAT IS A FLAT-OUT LIE. HE NEVER SAID THAT.

SHE IS SO DISHONEST!

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lt — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:17:39 GMT

Will you stop talking about Right crap. It's getting old and boring. Why don't you talk about
PETER PAUL vs CLINTONS ???????

http://www.peterfpaul.com/

Why don't you talk about that?

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Bev Plummer, Bradenton, FL — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:18:01 GMT

Mr. Todd, Isn't the following quote from your report this AM more of a comment on the media not letting go of this issue? Aren't polls showing the public is over this a ready to move on? "And then there’s Wright, Wright, Wright. When Obama can get through a TV interview without the name Rev. Wright coming up, that's when he'll know he's out of the woods. So far, he's not out of the woods."

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Bitter — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:18:38 GMT

I am sick of news media. They are very manipulative and they want Hillary to win this primary without any vetting. if you all the guts discuss paul Vs Cliton case. that is enough for her downfall. What a shame for this country to shape a liar to be president.I tink this country need another liar to be president so tha he can go to war once again and kill all innocent people in the name of collatral damage.

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Rider, Louisville, KY — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:18:43 GMT

Hillary is a miracle worker. She has managed to get every economist on earth to agree on something. That something is that her gas tax holiday idea sucks.

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Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:19:14 GMT

Sorry, but that NYT/CBS poll is WAAAAAY out of line compared to the other polls. Take the general election polls. According to RealClearPolitics, here are the latest 6 polls of McCain vs. Obama:
USA Today / Gallup: McCain +1
CBS / NYT: Obama +12
Rasmussen Tracking: McCain +4
Gallup Tracking: McCain +5
CNN: Obama +4
Fox News: McCain +3.
Certainly looks like CBS / NYT is the outlier.

Similarly, look at McCain vs. Clinton:
You have 5 national polls that range from McCain +3 to Clinton +4 and then you have the CBS / NYT poll with Clinton +12.

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Julie, Pittsburgh, Penn. — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:19:51 GMT

i think that Obama shall win.

Clinton isn't cool. :]

GO PENGUINS!

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Jo, Chicago — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:19:58 GMT

I read an interesting item in Zay Smith's column in the Chicago Sun-Times over the weekend that bares repeating, although not verbatum. It went something like:

Why is it that Barack Obama is held accountable for anything and everything everyone he has ever known has said in his lifetime, when John McCain hasn't been held accountable for any thing he, himself, has said...ever?

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nightfall, Chicago, Illinois — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:22:10 GMT

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-giordano/operation-anti-chaos-the_b_99965.html

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Julie, Pittsburgh, Penn. — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:23:16 GMT

i think that Obama shall LOSE.

McCain is the best!!!!!

Clinton isn't cool. :]

GO PENGUINS!

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infogiant, austin, TX — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:23:59 GMT

How is it that a poll that has Hillary up by seven is "disasterous" but a poll that has him up by 13 is "better" than disasterous. He's up by 150 delegates, polls mean little at this point...and Hillary needs a miracle. Gallup's other poll has him up by four. When you need a miracle, THAT is disasterous.

http://infogiant.wordpress.com/

You guys need to work on some words that

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Anne, PA — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:24:47 GMT

When I made calls on behalf of the Clinton camp to Indiana I found that most Republicans are voting Republican for McCain or Ron Paul not Obama. In fact, I only found a handful of support for Obama.

I think Hillary will win Indiana. As respects to North Carolina, Hillary will either win or come close enough to call it a win. Obama's campaign is in deep trouble. Voters are having buyers' remorse now that we know Obama better. We now know how inexperienced he really is. His connection to Rev. Wright, the anti-American, combined with his elitist comments about rural voters finally showed us the real Obama.

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christina santorella pittsburgh pa — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:26:03 GMT

I love hearing how everyone has finally come to see how msnbc is! Mika is the worst! The best time to watch msnbc is at 8:00 pm. Morning joe should stop being so racist! Do you get it MIKA! She is a horrible person!

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Ron , Boynton Beach, Fl. — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:26:47 GMT

The Gallup USA Today poll doesnt make sense, If you go to the Gallup website it shows Obama up 49-44 on May 4th 2008. here is the link.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106981/Gallup-Daily-Obama-49-Clinton-45.aspx

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Carole N.Y. — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:27:17 GMT

Why its very evident why the media wants Hillary to win after all the media is controlled by about five good old boys who wish to maintain the status quo and I'm sure Hillary made a few commitments to these folks, thats why you saw the sudden shift to pro-Hillary back oh about 6-8 weeks ago.Wouldn't it be nice to see Obama lower the boom on these old boys and split the media/press into fragments so we could get some real reporting for a change....

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Carole N.Y. — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:27:17 GMT

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poppamcdaddy west covina Ca — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:28:14 GMT

Turn on the today show this morning and watch Matt
Lauer spend the first 3 minutes of a 5 minutes interview on the Rev Wright. enough already listen
to your on promos for Decision 08 and maybe ask some of those questions.

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Bob J Woodbridge NJ — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:29:10 GMT

The USAToday Gallup poll has Clinton leading Obama, but the same polling organization, Gallup, in the same time span reports Obama leading Clinton by a similar margine??????

Sonds like Gallup will claim to be right no matter what the results of Tuesday's election.

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Rick, NC — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:30:33 GMT

the morning schmo show was pro obama until he got too big for his britches and then they slanted to billary's side...but lets be honest, mika is an idiot with no opinion and joe schmo is a rightwing republican who voted for the contract on americans

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No more Obama for this PA voter! — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:30:43 GMT

I voted for Obama - but will NEVER vote for him in the general election. He wants me to believe that he didn't know Rev. Wright's views? I am a college and grad school educated -supposed to be the BO group. Well, I was and am smart enough to brand him a liar. I will vote for Hillary. If not, McCain.

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Robert Olson, Denver, Colorado — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:31:15 GMT

Purposeful Polarization by Bill and Hillary on Race, Gender, and Religion. Why? Bill and Hillary are going for the Racially Charged Majority White Voter Backlash? Bill Clinton polarized black and white american in South Carolina Bill's remarks were meant to race-baited. Bill and Hillary calculated move was to polarize, and go after the majority white vote in North Carolina,and Indiana. Will Americans both white and black, defeat the "Clinton smears ?

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Betty-Bothell, WA — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:32:25 GMT

I agree with the person that states Morning Joe is hard to watch-between the immature Joe Scarborough and the cranky and unsightly Pat Buchanan, I simply cannot watch it. I wait for that show to end then tune in to Meika-she is wonderful-Joe and Pat are so in the tank for Hillary it is nauseating-and they have the winniest voices ever~-simply not got TV

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RENEA,PLYMOUTH,MI — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:32:54 GMT

IS 30 DOLLARS WORTH A BRIDGE COMING DOWN HILLARY? YOU TAKE NEEDED MONEY FROM ROAD AND BRIDGE REPAIR PLUS 300,000 JOBS IN THIS COUNTRY WITH THIS GAS TAX. HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY THAT HILLARY?

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TANGIE — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:33:03 GMT

I'M BEGININNG TO WONDER IF THIS RACE WOULD END JUST LIKE THE KENTUCKY DERBY DID. OBAMA PICKED THE WINNING HORSE AND HILLARY'S DIED ON THE TRACK!! UHMM

GO OBAMA 2008...

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Sue, Raleigh, NC — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:33:05 GMT

Obama will win here in NC. The level of excitement for him is unmatched in my 30 years of being old enough to vote. The early voting that went on for a week ending Saturday broke all records. On Saturday, the last day, people waited in long lines that stretched for blocks, waiting as long as two or more hours. But they were not grumpy or complaining. It was more like a party! People are just so energized! My college-aged daughter is voting for the first time. She and all of her friends from NC State are working for Obama. I'm for him too! Unfortunately my husband is for McCain, but we'll work on him before November!

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boogeyman, mamaroneck, ny — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:33:44 GMT

It's the WHITE Media who have created this baggage for Obama. They've relaized thier wasn't any story in the Rezko trial so they jumped on this non-issue. NOW they the WHITE MEDIA have come to realize that Obama has won the nomination, so thier trying to take it away from him with this Wright story. If the media was so balanced how come thier isn't any coverage on Hillary's Pastor or McCain's. Also if Obama is guilty by association, how come the WHITE Media has brought all of Hillary's connections, and McCain's association with a White Supremist Leader.

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boogeyman, mamaroneck, ny — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:33:48 GMT

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Bill — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:34:18 GMT

I'm sooooo tired of listening to Hillay's spin. If there is a God, please deliver us from slick politicians. Go Barack, you have honesty on your side.

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Dennis — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:34:54 GMT

In general, these qualities have been reveal about the candidates:

McCain- Flip flopped on multiple issues, sought endorsements from controversial characters, ignorant about the economy, says something questionable in every speech he makes, has questionable past associations, wants the war to continue, no executive experience.

Clinton- Prone to lie, takes credit for all the good things in her husbands presidency, while taking no responsibility for all the bad things, panders to the people telling them what they want to hear, not what is reality, has questionable past associations, wants the war to end, makes devisive foreign policy comments, no executive experience.

Obama- Has not sought the endorsements from unsavory characters, tries to run a positive campaign, doesn't attact his democratic opponent like he really could, has been mostly responsible for bringing in new voters, has questionable past associations (that have been reported ad nauseum), has attracted a wide range of people supporting him, wants to end the war, has no executive experience.

Who would you elect? If it's about wanting a candidate who will run the white house with integrity, the answers obvious. If the preference is someone unscrupulous, that choice is there. Whatever happens, it will tell the world a lot about this country. Of course MSNBC will not post this.

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Christ2for20, Kato MN — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:34:58 GMT

Go Clinton,
If she wins & ask Obams to be th VP
The Dem are a shoe in & everyone is Happy.
Obama will be the Pres when Clinton is done.
16 yrs of Clinton & Obams is much beter then
8YS only of either one.

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Fed up in MN — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:35:18 GMT

Isn't there a former Miss America named Leanza Cornett? Then she had a brief media career on Entertainment Tonight? If it is the same person that is posting on this site, I sure am disappointed that you haven't learned much from all your experiences....

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Robert Hussien Harris, Buckeye, AZ — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:35:49 GMT

Gallup Daily: Obama 49%, Clinton 45%

Come on MSNBC whats with switching polls all of a sudden? 99.9% ofthe time you quote Gallup, yet you choose to ignore it the day before the primaries because a different poll shows Hillary up?

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Charles Ugene Farley, D.C. — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:36:04 GMT

Sigh,
We are ready for woman President, Just not this woman.
She can't be Trusted.
Yeah, the Clinton years were good, but due to the groundwork laid out for him. The Free trade act took all of our jobs overseas. We can never recover, or forgive him for that.

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Candice TN — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:36:51 GMT

As I watched Morning Joe....not because I like to hear hours of Clinton commercials but to see how the REALITY will be spun for the day on MSNBC......I was struck by HOW OUT OF TOUCH the pundits are on Hillary STEALING the nomination and that everyone will get over it.....WRONG...WRONG ...AND WRONG AGAIN.
First of all EVERYONE KNOWS that RUSH is messing with the REAL OUTCOME of the races.....YET that is NOT being covered....the last races that hillary won....were LARGELY DUE to RUSH.....that's when he started OPERATION CHAOS....
IF by some chance Hillary were to get the nomination with all the DIRTY TRICKS she ,,,,the MEDIA.....and RUSH LIMPNUTS' OPERATION CHAOS....there will be a split party...
There is a NETWORK that is supporting Obama that no one seems to understand.
IT IS REAL!!!!!
IT IS POWERFUL!!!!
We are looking for a THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE to jump behind.
We are hoping that RON PAUL will go INDEPENDENT
IF HE DOES......HE WILL WIN THE GENERAL
ALL THE MONEY...ALL THE GRASSROOTS ...WILL GO TO HIM IN THE GENERAL IF SHE STEALS THE NOMINATION>
IF NOT RON PAUL....then there will be someone else we will get behind.
Ron Paul said something very interesting...he is not endorsing Obama...however he agrees with his foreign policy.
THAT SHOULD BE A CLUE that he is seeing a possiblity of bringing over OBAMA SUPPORTERS if Hillary were to steal it.
RUSH's OPERATION CHAOS just might NET A DIFFERENT RESULTS THAN EITHER PARTIES ARE AWARE OF

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Larry, Roseville CA — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:37:23 GMT

"...lot more crystal clear ..." Huh!?

I guess even pundits get exhausted, eh? As commonly used "crystal clear" either IS or ISN'T -- there aren't shades of "crystal clear." And I'd say that as of tomorrow (or Wednesday) things in this campaign still won't be "crystal clear." Unfortunately.

Oh well, it's been a LONG campaign! Hang in there guys!

Obama '08

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Craig W, Seattle, WA — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:38:29 GMT

FIRST READ: Please re-do your math!!!

For the past several days, I have read your misstatement regarding the amount of superdelegates won.

Your latest statement:
Since Super Tuesday, Feb. 5: It's Obama +84, Clinton +13; Since Junior Super Tuesday, March 4: It's Obama +41, Clinton +20.

It's impossible for the TOTAL amount to be higher for Clinton since "Junior" Super Tuesday than Super Tuesday. I think your numbers (+13, +20) are backwards. Please fix.

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BL, Cincinnati — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:39:19 GMT

Chuck
Is the whole MSNBC team including you and now Mika, who used to be somewhat more balanced - going over the top so Hillary can continue on - Why do you say the resutls of the polls are disasterous when Barack is up 50% to 38% in NYTimes/CBS poll? Why are you spinning it as all negative for Obama? Thsi seems to be what all the pundits and media are doing - Hioping he will fail!
Julie Cline, Santa Barabara, CA (Sent Monday, May 05, 2008 9:50 AM)

Want to know why? Chris Matthews said why, and even Keith Olbermann has hinted at it....

If any news person runs a story negative to Clinton or speaks against Clinton, the Clintons go after their job. Trying to get them suspended or fired. Hillary has a history of going over someone's head to get her way. She regularly went over the heads of people in the White House when she didn't like what they said, even though they didn't report to her. She'd go and harrass that person's boss to get them in trouble.

They do it to the media too. Any time someone says something against Hillary, the Clintons go after then by taking on their boss or higher up threatening them.

They do it with judges as well, look at the Peter Paul vs Clinton trial and others. They try to silence anyone that speaks against them.

Only Keith and Rachel has the spine to speak out anymore. Even Chris Matthews has caved, I couldn't figure out why he went from being so pro-Obama to pro-Hillary... till he mentioned his desire to run for Senator from Pennsylvania. Then it was clear, he was sucking up to the Penns machine which was nearly all pro-Clinton. So he sold out for his own future ambitions.

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Cindy, Carrollton, GA — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:39:20 GMT

To Chuck, NY

Why is it necessary to call Clinton voters "moronic"? I am a Clinton supporter and I assure you I am not a moron. Clinton is not perfect but then neither is Obama. I just know both are a better answer to our problems than John McCain. We better all start acting like mature individuals and unite behind our canididate once this thing is settled.

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Cheng Kong — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:39:27 GMT

I like the Guamish Folklore but isn't that only a half?

There is little any candidate can do about the price of gasoline. The WORLD economy is slowly bringing us to $8 per gallon, a universal price.

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LJ — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:41:43 GMT

Yes Obama did take a hit wit the Rev Wright Controversy but is the reporters were the least bit fair they would look at the poll dates and see that he has bounced back from that dip is now leading HRC in Gallup. Instaed that continue to look at poll data right after wWright and nort poll data that is showing each day that he has bounced back. It is also curious that gallup has two polls on the same period conflicting each other. The one with USA Today contradicts the the gallup poll taken each day as a cumulative. The reporters need to be fair or else they will also be the ones not having a job after Jume.

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OBwan, IN — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:41:49 GMT

Patrick, Houston, TX (Sent Monday, May 05, 2008 9:58 AM)

But McCain sought Hagee's endorsement - that tells me that he agrees with Hagee in lockstep. Verstand.

Other than that much has been made about nothing

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MK,MO — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:42:40 GMT

the press seems to be intimidated by the clintons because they sure won't ask her any meaningful questions, hillary has offered up a virtual smorgasbord of stupid gaffes, but the media refuses to touch any of them, all the while constructing mountains from molehills against obama while running continuous loops of that crazy preacher, now that's fair and objective reporting. hillary lost the primary some time ago but the press keeps propping her decaying corpse up like some knock off of weekend at bernie’s, class act guys

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Sick of hypocrisy, Washington, DC — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:43:21 GMT

EVERYONE SHOULD LOOK at the polls more closely. Rasmussen AND Gallup have Obama trending up and Clinton trending down for several days running now. And, Obama is trending up vs. McCain, too. And, that data includes polling from 3 or 4 days ago, before Obama began to turn the corner ..... so the current snapshot is likely even rosier than it appears in the tracking polls. This means even a split decision Tuesday will be followed by Obama gains and Clinton losses. And, does anyone really give Hillary a chance in NC? Undecideds are unlike to break for her there as heavily as PA because at least 1/3 of the undecideds are black. It'll be Obama by 8 in NC and probably a narrow Clinton win in IN -- 4- 6 points.
Geoff in Brooklyn (Sent Monday, May 05, 2008 9:47 AM)

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Anyone thinking that 1/3 of undecided voters are black is just being naive. Don't try to insult peoples intelligence. The race card has been played all along as 90% plus vote for skin color not issues while amongst non black voters you see splits of 60/40 55/45 and larger and smaller depending on demographics but nothing like the race card vote.

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Obama4me Charlottesville, Va — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:43:42 GMT

Wouldn't it be great to wake up to Olbermann in the morning? I used to watch ALL the MSNBC shows--now I'm down to two-- Hardball and Olbermann(who is better than anyone else at 8pm--including network channels!) Lately, even Chris has been towing the HiLIARy line, and we are all getting tired of it. I may dump him next!

Joe S.-- go to FOX NOISE-- you would fit right in.

If Obama supporters would boycott these shows--you would see the difference.

BOYCOTT JOE-- BOYCOTT JOE-- BOYCOTT JOE

Even IMUS returning would be less racist

OBAMA FOR US

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Indiana for Obama — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:44:19 GMT

MSNBC is turning into Fixed News. They ran Obama and Wright all weekend. I would say much more than the fox network. The Media wants to hold up Obama. I am a white guys saying this, but if Obama were White this would have been over long ago. What a croc of crap.

What happened the fair journalism. Chris Matthews and Chuck Todd or fickle flip floppers.

Republicans for Obama 08

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Sunshine, Peoria Il — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:45:06 GMT

What the f--k!I am through with Joe Scarbrough & Pat Buchanan.How dare them suggest that that Hillary Clinton is owed the nomination & that the superdelegates should take the nomination from the first black candidate,who mind you, has the lead in pledged delegates & popular vote just because Billary said so.We are not living in 1968.I am really getting sick & tired of the likes of these two & other pundits treating Mr Obama like Sidney Poitier in "Guess who's coming to dinner." Earlier on "Morning Joe" Joe Scarborough even had the nerve to start yelling at Mika because she called Billary out for the liar & phony she is.That is not only male chauvenistic but he's starting to come off as a bigot as well.This is a wake up to Joe Scarborough & Pat Buchanan that it is not 1968 anymore, It's 2008.I have now decided to join CNN's Newsroom for my morning news.Shame on you for calling out reagan-demaocrats to lynch Obama & may your ratings fall to hell why you continue to show your bias.No wonder Rev Wright called America the US of KKK.

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cscwuff — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:45:39 GMT

I agree with the majority opinion, here, that MSNBC's coverage is transparently favoring Clinton's continuance. I also agree that Morning Joe is becoming unwatchable but for a different reason: Joe, himself. I respect that he has his own opinions about issues, but he is rude to Mika, disallowing a finished sentence by interrupting her with his angry rants. Please make it stop (although my remote has made it stop for my household - I'm assuming others have acted similarly).

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FLY POOLE — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:47:32 GMT

the media has just been told who run's thing's could Rev wright be right when he said the rich( )people are trying to still or still do actually run this country that's why Obama encourages that once all voters are engaged in this process and he wins we can only then begin to change not only washington but the way we do business at home and abroad that's why they are not riding most of the luggage that Clinton is toting or even her outright lying I saw it even on the so called independant show of lou dobbs when a analyst (female-caucasion)was bringing up the Hilary instances they actually cut her off explaining lets move on and let his guest get a liitle rude to her for bring some of those things up we all are not sleep just watching you sell your soul's fake suppose to be fair as can be reporter's know wonder Eugene Robinson is always smiling when you'll begin to talk for he knows'and is seeing the same thing plus go Roland and Keith she even has Pat Buchanan writing for her sellout she has a smart husband and they have been chumping GReg STENOPULUS all his political life people are really watching even the real SUPER-DELEGATES any way for the record at least it is taking almost 1/2 of America to try and beat him hey he has won lot of States votes and DELIGATES that the type a race voter are looking for a won that has picking a winner since day one

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Amy M. Love — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:48:40 GMT

Call Me Curious......Just wondering why the media has not polled of white Catholics, both men and women....who stayed in their parish churches, participated in weddings, baptisms, confessions, and more, while for decades, children in their communities were being abused by their priests. There's something about "The Pot Calling The kettle Black" isn't there.
Just Call Me Curious!
PLEASE PUBLISH!!!!!

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C. Johnson — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:48:41 GMT

Get Good Morning Joe of the air, I will never watch MSMBC again. Joe is such a racist, Joe and Hillary make a great team, both liar's. How does MSMBC allow a man like Joe to represent them?

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Sandra — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:48:51 GMT

I a finished with Morning Joe. He has gone way past obnoxious. Surprise he was ever elected to congress.

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Walt, Ohio — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:51:18 GMT

The Politics of Fear
There is so much nonsense about this so-called "20 year relationship" with a pastor, that everyone is skirting the real issue. There are some people and politicians who try to lay out the case that voting for Obama would "set back racial relations for 40 years", or that a candidate for president like Obama would somehow lead to total anarchy; total division.

Really. Race relations are great now, right? A politician and her husband constantly denigrates an honorable man playing on the lowest common denominator of race baiting and fear mongering (he's not a Muslim...as far as I know...) or "He won South Carolina just like Jessie Jackson", or perhaps he doesn't share "our" values. All are racial code words.

Perhaps the whopper, "I would never stay at THAT church with THAT pastor", conveniently forgetting that Rev Wright was called TO the White House to pray FOR Bill Clinton in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

Anything and everything has been insinuated to cause reasonable people to fear the "unknown Black candidate".

Unfortunately, racism, like any other destructive impulse or thought is based on fear. Ultimately fear of what is not familiar. This cuts both ways; ALL of us are guilty to a certain extent. Knowledge and understanding overcomes fear and bias. Willingness to address the common fears and overcome them in individual interactions, as well as between groups and nations; represents the best chance for humanity. Ignoring or pandering to fear only perpetuates the problem.

The problem with racism is that it is far more than the overt signs of the past. Everyone remembers the images of different water fountains, lunch counters, and protest marches. In today's world, those images no longer exist.

I believe there is a more insidious problem that is just below the surface. This is a fear that can be tapped in both sides by just the right spin or rhetoric.

Throw in the mix an egotistical narcissistic former pastor goaded into maintaining his 15 minutes of fame in front of a rabid ravenous press corps, and this fear of the "Black Candidate" comes to the surface.

If you truly objectively analyze all of the public (and private) statements of Obama, there is not one instance where there is the suggestion of vitriol currently being ascribed to him. What about the "bitter" comments? Who isn't bitter after 5 years of Iraq, 7 years of a tanking economy, 15 years of unaffordable bad healthcare, and scandal after scandal representing the "Washington way of doing things"? Clinging to guns and religion? Who among us doesn't retreat to familiar forms of comfort when times are bad?

Elitist? A man, raised first in a single parent home, then by his grandparents, is called elitist; while his opponents had privileged lives, made millions in bogus salaries, and are given a pass on this issue.

What is the real issue? The real issue is whether you will allow your vote to be influenced by fear or hope. If you are afraid of a "Black President", and you need "justification" by using the Rev Wright controversy confirm your previously held deep-seated opinion, by all means vote for Hillary Clinton. She has based her candidacy based on fear, and innuendo (remember the Bin Laden ad in Pa., 3 am phone call in Texas); you will be rewarded by the same in Washington by voting for her. Because whether she or McCain wins, there will be no help on the economy, no long-term health care plan, no change in Iraq (McCain), and most importantly, politics governed by lobbyist favors, back room deals, and personal enrichment of the politicians involved.

If on the other hand, you can see past the destructive fear and hate spin, and truly want to reform Washington, remove the influence of PAC's, lobbyists, political fat cats, foreign government influence (China, Colombia), corporations (Halliburton), lies (Weapons of Mass Destruction, Bosnia, Northern Ireland), and finally have a government that we the people can finally be a part of, then the choice is clear.

Senator Obama is a candidate that has real solutions for the economy and energy crisis, not a gimmicky gas tax "rebate" which will end up costing much more in infrastructure repairs and ultimately higher gas prices. What he offers is a real health care policy that doesn't punish those that cannot afford to pay; a coherent Middle Eastern policy that doesn't threaten to nuke Iran if they threaten the oil sheikdoms of UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan; a military policy that will focus on the real terrorism battle in Pakistan and Afghanistan; and an environmental policy that will create new green industry jobs through the aggressive support of new energy initiatives.
This is why there is huge grassroots and financial support for Obama. Support that neither Hillary; Bill, nor McCain can match.
The choice is Senator Barack Obama for President of the United States.

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Dave F., South of Chicago, IL — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:52:02 GMT

Patrick said, "Dave, the difference is simple. McCain was not and is not a member of Hagee's church, while Obama was a long standing member in Wright's church."

I wish you'd read my entire post, where I pointed out that McCain actually SOUGHT the endorsment of Hagee. Obama didn't go after Wright's endorsement, did he? If so, where's the video of Wright's endorsement of Obama? And why are we not subjected to endless re-runs of Hagee offending millions of Catholics by calling the Catholic Church "The Great Whore?"

I'm not even Catholic, and that offends me. And McCain actually WANTED the endorsement of this guy. Obama, rightly, denounced Farakkhan's endorsement. McCain asked for Hagee's, and got it.

Double standard? Yes, definitely, because we don't get any media coverage of McCain's issue. Just because McCain didn't sit in the pews at Hagee's church on Sunday's has no bearing on the fact that McCain asked for Hagee's endorsement. And got it.

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Shirley — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:53:03 GMT

Uh, Chuck Todd eeds to get an update. Michelle Obama will be in Gary tonight.

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StevO, Denver, CO — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:53:15 GMT

I am sick to death of hearing about Rev. Wright and other distractions du jour. Let's move past this and concentrate on the real issues. Obama has eloquently answered these questions long enough and I can't believe the media is still hyping it. That is job security I guess. There seems to be an incredible amount of Dem Dummies out there that are still buying whatever HRC conjures up. Wake up! Gas holiday my ass! Just another ploy to get the dummy, non-reading, non-paying attention voters to side with her. Generally speaking... The Masses are Asses. Don't continue to be duped by the Clinton's political hacking machine.

Obama O-Eight

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Kaye Martin Buffalo NY — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:53:33 GMT

It is clear that instead of reporting the news, the main stream media is continually trying to "frame the news". It is also becoming increasingly clear that if the American public wants factual reporting, they will come to rely less and less upon the traditional media as we know it.

I hear so much about Senator Obama and Reverend Wright. It would appear that the media is trying to tell us that they are not two separate individuals with minds of their own.

Clearly Senator Clinton has been married to former President Bill Clinton for more than twenty years, yet we allow her, when convenient, to separate herself on policy issues with her husband.

Finally, speaking out against racial injustice is not racist, nor is it unpatriotic. I don't agree with much of what Reverend Wright said, but everything that he said was not wrong. We need to reassess our foreign policy, we have treated many groups within this nation, Native Americans, African Americans, Japanese Americans and others unfairly.

The Bill of Rights to the U.S.Constitution guarantee the rights of freedom of religion and freedom of speech. The media's attempt to demonize Reverend Wright, instead of helping the American people understand the history of this anger only fuels racial misunderstanding and mistrust. Additionally the attempt to attribute Reverend Wright's words to to Senator Obama, the media undermining the very principles upon which this nation was founded.

Americans are diverse. African Americans are diverse.
We do not all hold the same views, but the constitutiion gives all Americans the right to express our views.

Unless we are willing to stop villifying and demonizing individuals who hold opinions that differ from our own, then we are no better than the person in whom we are finding fault.

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Domenico Montanaro — Mon, 05 May 2008 15:27:06 GMT

Chuck W. and others, thanks for the feedback. When we looked at the numbers from Super Tuesday and Junior Super Tuesday, we did a double take as well. But, in fact, Clinton has netted more superdelegates since Junior Super Tuesday than Super Tuesday. The reason is this: On Super Tuesday, Feb. 5, Clinton had a total of 260 superdelegates. But between Feb. 5 and March 4, she lost seven delegates, taking her down to 253. So when you subtract from her current total of 273, her net gain is actually higher from March 4 (Jr. Super Tuesday) than from Feb. 5. As always, thanks for the feedback and keep us honest.

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zeporah — Mon, 05 May 2008 15:43:42 GMT

What has happened to the 4th estate? I have always been under the impression that journalists were neutral in their reporting of events. Do we have personalities or journalists? Perhaps some of your news anchors should take a crash course in journalism. Chuck Todd is the only person on MSNBC who maintains a professional demeanor related to the primaries.
While I have yet to decide which democratic candidate I will suppport, I find that the media during the last few weeks have been blatantly pro Clinton. You have spent more time than Fox on the Reverend Wright incident.
The reporting (if you want to call it that) is a disgrace!

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Vickie Hunter, Owensboro, Kentucky — Wed, 07 May 2008 03:16:39 GMT

You can blast Hillary and Obama all you want on here.
The primary is NOT over. I live in Kentucky and want my voice heard, regardless of your opinions on what either one should do. This is America, and I want to vote!!!!!! Thank goodness we have two qualified candidates as opposed to the Republican's one.