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Hillary's problem with African Americans?

Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:27 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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From NBC's Ron Allen
There was a very interesting discussion on the flight back to D.C. from Indianapolis. By the time we landed, the Clinton campaign was proclaiming, "We shocked the world" by winning Indiana. "A win is a win," was the rallying cry, as the margin narrowed.

Meanwhile, the Clinton press team did everything possible to minimize Barack Obama's win in North Carolina. He has a "built-in advantage" there, they said. It was a state where they knew the "demographics" were going to be tough, referring the state’s African-American community. Turns out, his margin overall was greater than her's in Pennsylvania.
 
But Clinton's aides continue to argue she's the stronger nominee, because she continues to do well with the most important voters, crucial swing voters, who will make the difference in a race with John McCain in November, blue-collar and working-class voters, most of whom are white.

But how does a candidate claim to be the strongest and most electable nominee, when that candidate has very little support with some of the Democratic Party's most loyal followers, African-American voters? Wouldn't it be fair to say that ignoring that "demographic" tends to marginalize the significance of those voters, who also historically have felt somewhat taken for granted by Democrats?

When asked about the fact that Obama had won a significant, and apparently growing segment of the African-American community's votes, the response from Clinton's aides was to suggest that, by November, she would be able to heal whatever problems existed. And that she would be able to unite the party, in part, because of the Clinton family's many decades of such a positive record on matters of race and civil rights.
 
But when asked, well, wouldn't Obama enjoy the support of the segments of the Democratic electorate that have voted for Clinton -- those working-class white voters, the answer was full of doubt and concern. He's relatively new on the political scene. He's not very well known and doesn't have much of a track record, was the essence of their argument. Who knows what might happen?
 
A few weeks ago, Rep. James Clyburn (SC) made several comments laying out his observations about the Clintons' relationship with the African-American community. Let's just say it's not good, he basically said. And I think most reasonable people would say, the decreasing share of the black vote falling in the Clinton camp of late suggests that relationship is probably not improving.
 
Here's the point. To win the nomination now, the Clinton strategy, moving on to West Virginia and Kentucky and elsewhere, seems to have little to do with winning over African-American voters.

"We're not conceding any vote," spokesmen often say in conference calls. Yet the places the campaign goes and the people at the events, don't seem to support that contention.

This is a unique moment in the nation's electoral history for many reasons. The black electorate has been flexing its muscle. Today, Clinton's advisors argued that Obama hasn't proven he can win the votes of blue-collar voters, and that's the crux of the argument they'll make to the dwindling pool of undecided superdelegates.

But don't they also have to explain how they'll win over those Democrats now supporting her in single digits, especially since many of them already are convinced a historic victory, unimaginable not long ago, already has been won?

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The white working class are also a loyal voting bloc for the Democrats, and they won't ever vote for Obama. So what argument does Obama have to the nomination?
But don't they also have to explain how they'll win over those Democrats now supporting her in single digits, especially since many of them already are convinced a historic victory, unimaginable not long ago, already has been won?
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Great question indeed.

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I also don't think electability is only about a certain class of white working class voters.  Many of these voters, also known as Reagan Democrats, do come and go.  While I can understand someone trying to woo them, to do  so at the expense of the wide swathe of traditionally Dem voters seems incredibly short-sighted.

It is not only African-American voters who have consistently stood with the Dems for years, it is union households like my family growing up in California, it is Irish and Italian and lots of other pre-WW immigrants and their progency, it is people of many different religions, and many of us active in the civil right era.  Many of us traditional Dems, life-long Dems, have been right with African-Americans supporting Obama.  I am squarely in Hillary's demographic (except for education), I live in a diverse town, I am a white woman in my 40s and I live in a working class town AND I'm a Catholic.  She discounts my vote too.

Why you would put the interests of those who come and go with the wind in front of us who stay with you year after year is beyond me.  Maybe some of us have to look elsewhere...since maybe the Democratic party is not for us anymore.  Not the Clintonian Dems anyway.

Too right for me, I guess.  Too negative for me, for sure.  Too untruthful for me, for sure.

Obama for our best future.
I know this probably won't show up on the site but please stop grouping all African-Americans together. It's the media that is dividing everything up. I'm African-American and I voted for Hillary Clinton. Why don't you do a poll of how many African-Americans voted for Hillary? Since MSNBC is so big on the race issue.
Why aren't you guys reporting that Hillary Clinton
can't get any Super Delegates to meet with her today?

She (and Bill) want to twist their arms, bribe them,
coerce, intimidate and threaten them.  But NOBODY
will meet with her!  

THAT'S why she's still out campaigning today, instead
of back in D.C. trying to sway Supers.

They just don't want to talk to her!

It's over!  And they all know it!
Finally, someone raises this very significant argument.  The Clintons and the democrats certainly can't take the black vote for granted: many would just stay home and she would lose those same Reagan demograts to McCain.
Hillary's problem with the black voters is Hillary herself. Not many of your average black americans think much of her or ever did. Whatever "love" she received by Hillary was by association, her marriage to Mr. Bill Clinton, whom black americans (until recently/more specifically this election) seem to care quite a bit about. But because Bill has put his foot NOT just in his mouth, but down his throat with his comments, insuiations and what not concerning Mr. Obama, Hillary is suffering even more. And because this is only "my" opinion, Hillary has always been too cold, too self-serving and (I'm sorry/don't mean to offend) too white, black americans never "bonded" with her. As a matter of fact, if you listened to many sitting around their tvs during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, many blamed Hillary for not taking care of her man cause she was too busy and to self-serving to "get down."
Lastly, I hope my little message will carry a little weight because it's coming from a real-life,working,  tax-paying, law-abiding, hoping "Obama" wins black american.
She will never get my black vote.... And i have three kids voting and they all will not vote for Hillary either...They all voted for Obama...
Please, someone explain to me...

How is Obama racist if all the "blacks" vote for him?  Did he order them to vote for him?  Does he posses mind control powers that we don't know about yet?  Seriously?

Let's say that's true - that he is racist because "blacks" voted for him.  What does that make "whites" who voted for HRC?  Isn't that racism too?  Or woman who voted for her - they're sexist then?

What about the "whites" who voted for Obama?  They're racist by association - against their own race?

C'mon folks - you have to have better reasons than this...
My goodness, what some people won't say or do, excuses, excuses. Every state and every vote is important. The majority of us are blue collar and working class no matter what our race is.
I always thought independents were important swing voters...

And Obama virtually always beats her with independents hands down...
I've noticed that the Clinton camp OFTEN accuses Obama of not being able to win over the blue-collar, white, undereducated votes.  But what about HER not able to win the Black vote, the young vote, the educated white-collar vote, etc.  OK, that's 1:3 votes she'll hand over to the Republicans in November!  He took a thumping over the past 3 weeks & emerged from the dust still STANDING & working for the American people.  Whereas HRC was still fighting for HRC!

Let her have her final 6 contests, telling every resident of each remaining state, "I grew up here!", "I promise to give you a gas tax holiday", "I'm losing, but pretend I'm more electable", and so on, and so on...

Meanwhile, we White, Black, Native American, Latino, educated, non-educated, blue-collar, white-collar, poor, rich voters will continue to support Obama to clean Bush, Cheney, & McCain's hopes out of the White
House in November!!!

Barack For President!!!
The answer to the question at the end of the article is simple...if Hillary were black, she'd have the nomination already...it appears that blacks are voting for the black candidate, whoever he or she may be.  That's racism in my book.
Obama is winning 90% of the African-American voters in the primary, therefore his chance of gaining more African-American voters in the general election is narrow. Gore received 90% of the African-American vote in 2000...and lost... and that was with Fl and MI states that were not disenfranchised as they are now. But ask yourself, if Obama was a caucasian man would he still be receiving 90% of the African-American vote in the primary?


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