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First thoughts: The meaning of 60

Posted: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:17 AM by Domenico Montanaro
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From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Ali Weinberg
*** The meaning of 60: It lasted 238 days beyond Election Day and eventually entered all four seasons, but the never-ending Minnesota Senate race finally came to a conclusion yesterday, after the state Supreme Court unanimously ruled in Al Franken's favor and after Norm Coleman conceded hours later. Most significantly, yesterday’s developments resulted in Democrats obtaining a filibuster-proof majority -- 60 votes -- in the Senate, and Dems want to have him seated by as early as Monday. Having 60 votes will shift the balance of power from the Republican Maine-iacs (Collins and Snowe) to the Joe Liebermans, Ben Nelsons, and Mary Landrieus, meaning that the upcoming fights over health care and energy will be on Democratic turf. Remember that stimulus debate back in February? Does anyone doubt it would have been different (in size and composition) had Franken been in the Senate then? As Rahm Emanuel told the New Yorker then, “No disrespect to Paul Krugman [who wanted a larger bill], but has he figured out how to seat the Minnesota senator?” 

*** The Democrats’ challenges: Indeed, had Franken been in the Senate then, you could have probably added some $30-$50 billion to the size of the $787 billion stimulus; that was the cost of getting one more GOP vote, Susan Collins. But Democrats jumping for joy right now might want to temper their enthusiasm a bit. For one thing, conservative/moderate Democrats haven’t always been easy votes to get. In fact, in the health-care debate, Dem senators like Max Baucus and Kent Conrad have been cool towards a public/government insurance option. Second, given the health problems of reliable Democratic votes like Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd, it will be a challenge for Democrats to make sure they have 60 votes at a particular time. Yesterday's Franken news ironically coincided with Byrd’s release from the hospital, and it’s been more than a year since all 100 senators voted on a bill. So forget Harry Reid; getting to 60 is the hands of medical professionals, not political ones.

*** So what do Republicans do? Their initial spin is, “OK, no excuse time. Democrats have it all -- the House, the White House, and a filibuster-proof Senate.” It's almost as if Republicans want to start their "change" campaign now. And that's what will be interesting to watch: Will they completely wash their hands of governing, and simply sit back like a columnist or talk radio host and just criticize, er, campaign? They can't obstruct on a party line vote, but they can rant. But can the Republicans keep this up for over a year and just sit by as a group, or do a handful of them (the Maine-iacs, Voinovich, Mel Martinez, Lugar, maybe Grassley) start going their own way and possibly work with the White House?

*** Other odds and ends: This is now the first time since the 95th Congress (1977-1979) that one party will have had 60 or more votes in the Senate; Democrats had 61 at the start of that Congress. Also, this wasn’t the longest contested election. Per NBC’s Marcie Rickun, the Senate Historical Office says the 1974 Wyman-Durkin race went through several stages of recount battles before the Senate finally declared the seat vacant at the end of July, 1975. Then, a new election was called, which took place on September 16, 1975. And there was an even LONGER Senate vacancy in Illinois in the 1920s... Finally, what does the future hold for Norm Coleman? Will he run for governor in 2010? Remember that Coleman lost statewide to a wrestler (Jesse Ventura) and a comedian (Al Franken), and probably wouldn’t have won the lone race he did win without a death (Paul Wellstone’s), though in that race he did beat a former vice president (Walter Mondale). Coleman's concession speech had "I'm running for office again soon" written all over it. The Republicans need a strong candidate for governor thanks to Tim Pawlenty's retirement, and because Coleman stayed and fight, he probably can raise a decent chunk of change nationally.

*** Chuck Schumer’s legacy: One other thing worth pointing out in the Franken-Coleman news: In his two cycles as chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, Democrats were able to pick up a whopping 14 Senate seats (six in ’06 and eight in ’08). And when you add Arlen Specter’s switch earlier this year, that means that Democrats went from having just 45 senators in 2006 to 60 today. That’s a remarkable two cycles.

*** Back to health care: Turning to an issue that Democrats hope Franken’s Senate vote will help them with -- health care -- President Obama holds an online town hall on the subject in Annandale, VA at 1:15 pm ET. Per the White House, questions will come from a live audience, as well as online communities like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter. Valerie Jarrett will moderate the forum. By the way, don't think it went unnoticed that in the president's congratulatory statement and Franken's victory statement last night, both mentioned energy and health care. Coordinate much?

*** Where in the world is … Manuel Zelaya? Ousted Honduran president Manuel Zelaya traveled to Washington, DC, late yesterday, according to multiple sources. He was in New York earlier yesterday to meet with the United Nations. It's not clear where or who the ousted president met with in Washington last night. But it was made clear to us this morning that Zelaya has since left both Washington and the country. We're efforting more details.

*** Cable catnip, part 2: We knew that Todd Purdum’s critical profile of Sarah Palin would get lots of attention. What we didn’t know was that it would immediatley start a public war between Bill Kristol/Randy Scheunemann and Steve Schmidt. As Politico’s Martin writes, “William Kristol … touched off the latest back-and-forth Tuesday morning with a post on his magazine’s blog … pointing a finger at Steve Schmidt, McCain’s campaign manager. Kristol cited a passage in Purdum’s piece in which ‘some top aides’ were said to worry about the Alaska governor’s ‘mental state’ and the prospect that the Alaska governor may be suffering from post-partum depression following the birth of her son Trig. ‘In fact, one aide who raised this possibility in the course of trashing Palin’s mental state to others in the McCain-Palin campaign was Steve Schmidt,’ Kristol wrote. Asked about the accusation, Schmidt fired back in an email: ‘I'm sure John McCain would be president today if only Bill Kristol had been in charge of the campaign. After all, his management of [former Vice President] Dan Quayle’s public image as his chief of staff is still something that takes your breath away,’ Schmidt continued.” Folks, be sure to read the whole piece; it only gets better…

*** The Sanford story gets weirder: Finally, as he’s trying to save his job -- not to mention his marriage -- what was South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford thinking when told the AP yesterday that he had “crossed the lines” with other women besides his Argentine mistress? “‘Without wandering into that field we'll just say that I let my guard down in all senses of the word without ever crossing the line that I crossed with this situation,’ he said, referring to his affair with Chapur.” This guy is letting his mid-life crisis play out in public. Meanwhile, the Washington Post chooses to "go there" in a piece about Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer, the once and future governor, delving into the rumors about him.

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Just heard on the news here last night, stimulus money coming in for infrastructure.  2000-3000 new jobs coming!  I'm watching new jobs being created weekly.  The good thing about Vegas, they advertise on the news who's hiring, whether it be Casino's or construction!
cindy, las vegas, nv


This is good news. Some of the tens of thousands of people laid off in California as of today can start filling out the job applications. My guess? A 100 applicants for each job openning.
Johnathan Flint Mi:
I enjoy health debate. So if your question is how long will the Dems remain in power? My best guess is at least 8 more years.  It wouldn't suprise me if, ikn 2010 the Dems pick up two more Senators. Too early go guess which states.  

Obama will win, Big in 2012 with the House and Senate remaining about the same as in 2010. Why? GOP still has no leadership or new ideas.  Those two components are essential. Second reason: The economy will be back on track by 2012.  The country will be in no mood to change.  Reason three. Lack of great GOP candidates.  Romney is flawed, as with many others. GOP will need to find a new face.  Someone in their early 30's who can put a noun and verb together to make a sentence.
"guess what? Indiana and several other right leaning states gets more federal money than it puts into the system do some research. we have already debated this point in the blog. does anyone out there still have the chart they can publish to show how much every state gets? BTW, California has armold,the republican, so it aint that liberal. "
-leon houston
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Ask and you shall receive leon!

http://www.taxfoundation.org/press/show/22659.html
Just heard on the news here last night, stimulus money coming in for infrastructure.  2000-3000 new jobs coming!  I'm watching new jobs being created weekly.  The good thing about Vegas, they advertise on the news who's hiring, whether it be Casino's or construction!
cindy, las vegas, nv (Sent Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:43 AM)
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The same thing is happening in central Ohio and the local news even says when the jobs are comming from the stimulus money.

I'm sure this is going on in cities all across the country onlt the conseratives are watching FOX so they can get their daily talking points and injection of hate.
Will the president have more staged questions at his town hall meetings...just like at the recent press conference.  The gov't run press sure is doing its part for this administration.
Just Ask'n (Sent Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:51 AM)

I think it is more the "do as I say, not as I do" that has caused the backlash.  He built his career on villifying Bill Clinton.  Makes him an easy target now.

Personally, I don't care about what bases he got to and with whom.  The thing that I object to is that he apparently left his state in limbo and didn't even tell his aides where he was.  Had there been a state emergency, what was his plan?
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"... I just need an amount of time before an educated counter-argument can be made against the liberal policies of this Admin..."  Jonathan Flint, MI (Sent Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:39 AM)

I think you are being sincere so I will tell you where I am at on this, I think Obama gets the first year,...Reagan's Recession started two years into his first term; but he cried Carter's mess that whole time.  I thought that was 'unfair'.  9/11 happened in the first 8 1/2 months and Bush claimed "No one could predict..." - well, I won't go there - you've read the reports.  So, since this recession was already packaged and waiting on President Obama's desk on 1/20/09 - I say he gets a full year.  If by January 21, 2010 we are still bleeding 400K-600K jobs a month; well then I will probably have to agree with you that he isn't the miracle worker I was hoping for.  In the interest of further 'fairness' - I think he gets a few Trillion to play with in the first 2 years.  If we don't see significant program cuts by budget (Fall 2011, looking at Fiscal 2012) then I will probably have to agree with you that the massive spending was a boondoggle.  "W" spent FAR more and kept much of his spending 'hidden' - we have literally LOST billions in Iraq (KBR, Halliburton) and none of your team have lined up the mobs to go and hunt that money down.  If you will recall, those contracts were "no-bid" because "...no other companies had the organization to handle such a massive undertaking...".  Do you see ANY irony there?

I will admit when I think Obama is screwing up (I have repeatedly on Civil Liberties issues) - but why can't any of you right leaning water carriers ever flat out say "W" was a class A screwup?
The Republicans will sit and watch the USA become a third world nation run by an African colonial despot with an insatiable thirst for power and control, down to the point where they determine what you can and cannot eat, what utilities you can own and whether or not it's financially advantageous for the government to pay for your life-saving procedure or not. Everything that happens in the forthcoming Socialist Utopia will be all due to the current administration and the Congressional czars who are beyond reproach. Who would have thought 'hope and change' would destroy America? There will be nobody for Obama to blame, now.
Don't know which state you are from, but I live in the great state of Minnesota.  While Jesse Ventura was not our greatest governor (and I did NOT vote for him) he was the choice of the voters at that time and actually did not do permanent harm to our state. == Ann Brandt, Mpls, MN


Ann, you seem to set the bar very low for your representitives. Ventura was a complete disaster for Minnesota. A circus clown, something to amuse the rest of the country. Franken is no different. People point towards his education as if that means anything. Franken is just one more extreme liberal in the Senate that will be voting to take money from the taxpayers to fund the bloated federal government. He has no ideas, he is just a dependable vote for Harry Reid and Barack Obama.

And nothing is permenent, but cap and trade along with nationalized health care will damage the country for a very long time. Once people get a dose of how much money these programs cost and for so little benefit, it may too late to change the course of each for more then a generation.
Len - You forgot to tell everyone how Indiana nearly shutdown the CASINOS this morning because there was not a budget until late last night.  Note, we are not better off than any other state - we just don't know it yet.
OBwan, IN


But they didn't now did they? How are things going in Illinois my friend?
"Democrats obtaining a filibuster-proof majority -- 60 votes"

This is technically not true.  Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman are not technically "Democrats."  Both caucus with the Democrats most of the time, but the reality is that there will be 58 Democrats when Franken is seated, and 2 independents that typically caucus with them.

This is an important distinction that should be reported properly.
Finally, MN is over.  There should be a better way for disputed elections that doesn't take 238 days to resolve.  Coleman probably does not have a future in MN politics no matter how gracious his concession speech was.

60 votes is important but probably most helpful to avoid watering down legislation.  Democrats are not like today's GOP, they have a wide range of ideology from conservate to moderate to extreme liberal so it is not likely that having 60 votes automatically means Pres Obama gets everything he wants but it will make it easier to get good democratic legislation.  The reason Bush got everything he wanted was because the GOP was group think, lock-step, don't go against the party ever.

I don't see that 60 democratic votes changes the GOP strategy since they've been sitting back saying NO since Nov 4, 2008.  The question is will voters feel  be willing to listen to a year or more of negative, obstructionist attacks and will voters find the GOP arguments credible, especially since GOP ideology gave us economic meltdown.  I'm not sure the voters will forget by 2010 the economic collapse at the hands of republicans plus two wars and debt caused by republican cut taxes and spend anyway attitudes.  The negativism of politics was one of the reasons Pres Obama was successful; we want action by our government not verbal inaction.

The also never-ending Palin saga continues.  The Vanity Fair article along with others last fall merely confirmed my thoughts about Palin not being qualified to be a heart beat away from the presidency; she just was intellectually short and incurious which was quite clear during the Gibson, Couric interviews.  The distrust between Palin and her handlers may have come from the fact that the McCain staffers realized quickly what a mistake her choice was.  McCain and those who picked her are to blame for failing to do a better job of vetting; the McCain crowd has tarnished Palin in ways that she may never recover nationally except with her base.

And another never-ending saga, Sanford.  I would certainly think that someone on his staff, or an adviser would tell him to shut up.  Talk about TMI, the hole he dug is getting deeper everytime he speaks.  One affair turns into an apparent on-going search for someone else while fathering four children with his wife.  If I were Mrs. Sanford, I'd file for divorce today.  Just from his rambling revelations, Gov Sanford has given any attorney ample ammunition.  What a jerk and a not so smart one at that.
but why can't any of you right leaning water carriers ever flat out say "W" was a class A screwup?
Clara Kansas City, MO (Sent Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:11 AM)

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Fine, I don't like George Bush, he was not a true Republican and Iraq is the 21st century Vietnam! There Clara do you feel better? Bush is gone, gone for over 6 months as your MSNBC cronies like to gloat.

NOW the people and the press must hold OBAMA accountable.

The “Blame Bush For Everything” excuse is wearing thin. Both Democrats AND Republicans owe the American people some answers on where the over one trillion dollar TARP and stimulus money has gone.

We are in the deepest recession since the early 80’s. Transparency my eye, Obama is a total fraud.
Really??

Care to explain then why they took 2 billion dollars of that nasty socialist stimulus money to balance THEIR budget yesterday???

We'll be waiting...
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
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That stimulus money doesn't seem to have helped Illinois now, has it? Saw your governor jumping up and down having a spasm over the Illinois legislator not wanting to raise your taxes. It was quite a sight. He looked to be auditioning to be the next Bozo on the Bozo show.

And aren't you the train-wreck that gave Sanford grief for not taking the very same money? So what side of the tracks are you coming from, besides the ugly side that is?
Len Southfield, Ft. Wayne IN (Sent Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:55
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Ahhh.. same old tatics?  Spin & DISTRACT... care to take another shot at it and answer the original question?

You're spinning some pretty tall tales about your states budget and we'd like to hear the TRUTH for a change?  That is if your capable of telling the truth!

We're STILL waiting???
How come the holier than thou crowd on here aren't putting the tar and feathers on markie sanford like they did eliot spitzer? Where is the christian outrage that this clown is daily making a mockery of his heterosexiual chritian blessed marriage?

How ever long it will take you to resurrect the 4,000+ dead American soldiers, and millions of dead Iraqis killed in a war based on lies Nashville_fan (Sent Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:56 AM)
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As long as it takes to resurrect and heal the over 55,000+ dead and wounded Americans who fought in that just and righteous JFK and LBJ directed war in Southeast Asia. American interests were threatened in Nam and Ho Chi Minh was a clear and present danger to American liberty. An invasion was imminent!
Will the president have more staged questions at his town hall meetings...just like at the recent press conference.  The gov't run press sure is doing its part for this administration.


With Valerie Jarrett as the moderator, it is guaranteed that the "Town Hall" is just another name for staged event. Just google Val for more background information on Barack Obama's old friend.
Okay Dems, don't blow it now. You need to get some spines now and start rolling over the repukes at every opportunity, as you well know they would and have been doing to you.

I will say this - if there isn't a real competitive public-option plan in the healthcare bill - I will absolutely never vote for a spineless Democratic Party again. And Obama will be a 1 term President. I'm very certain a great majority of Democrats feel the same way.
I voted in that New Hampshire 1974 election (for John Durkin) where Durkin won the final recount by two votes. Since there were far more disputed votes than the two vote plurality, Durkin was granted the seat until a new election could be held the following fall.
Durkin, as the incumbent won the new election, but it was also very close.
Never will I forget this when I speak of the value of each and every vote.
Therefore, in my opinion, the responsibility for any failure of the Senate to pass meaningful legislation, still falls on the G-No-P.
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Unbelievable.  I can't even come up with the words to describe what a load of crap that statement it.

As far as the 60 Senators. HELLO!  The Democrats only need 51 if they would grow a spine. Let the GOP fillibuster anything they want. Make them stand in the halls of Congress till the wee hours of the morning explain to anyone who will listen.

Sanford - What more can be said. This guy was actually a presidential hopeful. LOL!  Looks like Sarah Palin will get her chance to face Obama in 2012. That should be fun!
Minnesota - you've been put on notice. When you elected a pro wrestler as governor, that was your problem. Everyone laughed at you, but it was only you that had to put up with that nitwit. You realized the error of your ways and you sent Jesse packing. Now you've done yourself one better, you've elected a total moron to the US Senate. This action affects the entire country. So now your little joke may cost the nation trillions with government takeovers of health care and energy and amnesty to illegal immigrants. We're thinking of tossing you out of the union Minnesota. Consider this your probationary period. Either straighten up, or we'll sell you to Canada.
The United States (Sent Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:28 AM)
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Do you need a diaper change now?

Franken is a Harvard graduate, something that keeps getting overlooked.  So what is he was a comedian, Fred Thompson was an actor, and the GOP had no problem with him being a Senator.  Schwarzenggar was sort of an actor, and the GOP once upon a time wanted him to be President.  You think the GOP still wants Arnold as President?

I wonder, though, if you were this vocal when either of them was elected?
How is Sanford, which FR seems to absolutely hate, any different from Bill Clinton? They seem to be the same person, just from different political parties. But Clinton is ambassador to the world and gets no criticism, while FR seems intent on destroying Sanford.
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Good point.  I've wondered myself.  And when do you suppose FR will be covering the Edwards' sex tape story?  
Never-FR ignores bad news about Dems (Sent Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:01 AM)
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Personally, I dont think having an affair makes you unfit for public service.   I never have, I never will.

I only draw the line when people like Gingrich, Ensign and Sanford condemn Clinton for having an affair, but all the while they are all doing the same thing.  I draw the line when people like Gingrich, Ensign and Sanford attempt to force "family values" and "morality" down our throats, all the while, they aren't even close to practicing what they preach.  If all three of them had shut their mouths about morality, I wouldn't have a problem with any of them right now.  The only act I am criticising is the hypocrisy in their high and mighty attitudes.
>> Democrats are not like today's GOP, they have a wide range of ideology from conservate to moderate to extreme liberal <<

Conservative Democrats? Next to zero. Some Blue Dogs in the House, but none in the Senate. Moderate Democrats? Can't think of any. Liberal Democrats? That would include about 90% of them in the Senate.

It's safe to say that the country is being run by some of the most liberal people ever.


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