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Palin stars in Death Panel 2

Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:12 PM by Domenico Montanaro
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Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was invited to testify before the New York state Senate Aging Committee by its Chairman, Rev. Ruben Diaz. Instead of testifying, Palin has submitted written testimony, and publicizes it via her latest Facebook "Note."

In it, she defends her contention that there are, in fact, "death panels" in health-care legislation being considered in Congress -- despite independent fact-checkers repeatedly debunking the notion.

"A great deal of attention was given to my use of the phrase 'death panel' in discussing such rationing," Palin writes. "Despite repeated attempts by many in the media to dismiss this phrase as a 'myth', its accuracy has been vindicated."

She also claims that "Advance Care Planning Consultation" will have a "coercive effect" on seniors.

"These consultations are authorized whenever a Medicare recipient's health changes significantly or when they enter a nursing home, and they are part of a bill whose stated purpose is 'to reduce the growth in health care spending,'" Palin writes.

Therefore, she concludes: "Is it any wonder that senior citizens might view such consultations as attempts to convince them to help reduce health care costs by accepting minimal end-of-life care?"

More: "The fact is that any group of government bureaucrats that makes decisions affecting life or death is essentially a 'death panel,'" she writes. (Although, "government bureaucrats," according to legislation in the bills, wouldn't be making decisions; the patients would.)

She also cites writings by Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel's brother, Ezekial, as what "could ultimately be used by government bureacrats to help determine the treatment of our loved ones." (Ezekial Emanuel has said that he years ago believed that care would have to be rationed as a result of reform, but he has since been convinced otherwise, he said.)

There's plenty more.

Here's her testimony in full:

Senator Reverend Ruben Diaz
Chair, New York Senate Aging Committee
Legislative Office Building
Room 307
Albany, NY 12247

September 8, 2009

RE: H.R. 3200: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 and Its Impact on Senior Citizens

Dear Senator Diaz,

Thank you for asking me to participate in the New York State Senate Aging Committee's hearing regarding H.R. 3200, "America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009." You and I share a commitment to ensuring that our health care system is not "reformed" at the expense of America's senior citizens.

I have been vocal in my opposition to Section 1233 of H.R.3200, entitled "Advance Care Planning Consultation."[1] Proponents of the bill have described this section as an entirely voluntary provision that simply increases the information offered to Medicare recipients. That is misleading. The issue is the context in which that information is provided and the coercive effect these consultations will have in that context.

Section 1233 authorizes advanced care planning consultations for senior citizens on Medicare every five years, and more often "if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual … or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility… or a hospice program."[2] During those consultations, practitioners are to explain "the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice," and the government benefits available to pay for such services.[3]

To understand this provision fully, it must be read in context. These consultations are authorized whenever a Medicare recipient's health changes significantly or when they enter a nursing home, and they are part of a bill whose stated purpose is "to reduce the growth in health care spending."[4] Is it any wonder that senior citizens might view such consultations as attempts to convince them to help reduce health care costs by accepting minimal end-of-life care? As one commentator has noted, Section 1233 "addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity to fiscal ones…. If it's all about obviating suffering, emotional or physical, what's it doing in a measure to 'bend the curve' on health-care costs?"[5]

As you stated in your letter to Congressman Henry Waxman of California:

Section 1233 of House Resolution 3200 puts our senior citizens on a slippery slope and may diminish respect for the inherent dignity of each of their lives…. It is egregious to consider that any senior citizen … should be placed in a situation where he or she would feel pressured to save the government money by dying a little sooner than he or she otherwise would, be required to be counseled about the supposed benefits of killing oneself, or be encouraged to sign any end of life directives that they would not otherwise sign.[6]

It is unclear whether section 1233 or a provision like it will remain part of any final health care bill. Regardless of its fate, the larger issue of rationed health care remains.

A great deal of attention was given to my use of the phrase "death panel" in discussing such rationing.[7] Despite repeated attempts by many in the media to dismiss this phrase as a "myth", its accuracy has been vindicated. In the face of a nationwide public outcry, the Senate Finance Committee agreed to "drop end-of-life provisions from consideration entirely because of the way they could be misinterpreted and implemented incorrectly."[8] Jim Towey, the former head of the White House Office of Faith-Based Initiatives, then called attention to what's already occurring at the Department of Veteran's Affairs, where "government bureaucrats are greasing the slippery slope that can start with cost containment but quickly become a systematic denial of care."[9] Even Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson, a strong supporter of President Obama, agreed that "if the government says it has to control health care costs and then offers to pay doctors to give advice about hospice care, citizens are not delusional to conclude that the goal is to reduce end-of-life spending."[10] And of course President Obama has not backed away from his support for the creation of an unelected, largely unaccountable Independent Medicare Advisory Council to help control Medicare costs; he had previously suggested that such a group should guide decisions regarding "that huge driver of cost . . . the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives…."[11]

The fact is that any group of government bureaucrats that makes decisions affecting life or death is essentially a "death panel." The work of Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, President Obama's health policy advisor and the brother of his chief of staff, is particularly disturbing on this score. Dr. Emanuel has written extensively on the topic of rationed health care, describing a "Complete Lives System" for allotting medical care based on "a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated."[12]

He also has written that some medical services should not be guaranteed to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens…. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia."[13]

Such ideas are shocking, but they could ultimately be used by government bureacrats to help determine the treatment of our loved ones. We must ensure that human dignity remains at the center of any proposed health care reform. Real health care reform would also follow free market principles, including the encouragement of health savings accounts; would remove the barriers to purchasing health insurance across state lines; and would include tort reform so as to potentially save billions each year in wasteful spending connected to the filing of frivolous lawsuits. H.R. 3200 is not the reform we are looking for.

Thank you for calling attention to this important matter. I look forward to working with you again to ensure that we keep the dignity of our senior citizens foremost in any health care discussion.

Sincerely,

Governor Sarah Palin

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What would the day be without another Palin story? Any other private citizens you want to get on the record FR?
Another day… another word salad!  Nothing new here… except maybe her continuing to sign as the ‘Governor’?  

The delusional ‘diva’ is soooo yesterday!
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was invited to testify before the New York state Senate Aging Committee by its Chairman, Rev. Ruben Diaz.


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Who the heck is Rev. Ruben Diaz, and who really cares? What does a NY committee on aging have to do Palin? Maybe Rev. Diaz should concentrate on his states lack of fiscal responsiiblity before picking fights with private citizens.
Earth to Palin (and to Tea baggers, etc.): You need to come to reality. There is absolutely nothing in this bill that endorses that notion. Stop this silliness.
Sarah Palin wouldn't know what a fact was if it fell out of her empty head or her full twitter box.
She's just another of those
RE-peattheliestothePUBLICANS
She's still a dingbat.
[She also cites writings by Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel's brother, Ezekial, as what "could ultimately be used by government bureacrats to help determine the treatment of our loved ones."]
--First, Palin's a dolt (if only because she's a woman ...errr, no that's not why at all, silly me).  Her conclusion is incorrect about the death panels.  Having Medicare pay for such allows physicians to offer better care.

Ezekial was right before he had to 'clarify' positions due to political reasons.  Rationing will have to happen/is happening now through who is and is not insured.  Now, I'm not a fan of moving that burden to the government, but it is and will occur.


Firstread, in your earlier thread about Max Baucus, co-ops were all the focus.  But isn't the bigger (errr, more important) story that they dropped an employer mandate for an individual mandate?  I'm just saying, I was shocked, but it was a move in the right direction--the Baucus committee bill.
First Read: Therefore, she [Palin] concludes: "Is it any wonder that senior citizens might view such consultations as attempts to convince them to help reduce health care costs by accepting minimal end-of-life care?"



Seems like a well thought out argument. At least Palin takes a stand and makes her case. That's more then anyone can say for anything Obama and the Democrats have come up with.
Now tell us how global warming isn't real. Then tell us how President Obama was really not born here. Then tell us killing wolves really helps nature. Then tell us how all Muslin  children want to kill us. Then tell us how a gay couple marrying in Vermont is going to ruin all marriages eveywhere. Now tell us how torturing POWs isn't really illegal. You Betcha.
She can call it anything she wants.  She can put it in her book (Face or no).  Why does she matter, she's a legend in her own mind.  

She is sad.

Who is she again and why does she get press?
Ezekial Emanuel's is yet another loon inside the Obama White House that needs to be fully vetted and full exposed. As with Van Jones, Ezekial is another one of these far-left wingnuts that has made outragous statements. It's time to start getting the rats like Ezekial to jump ship, just like we did with Jones.
She never ceases to amaze me. I've never seen anyone who, despite the evidence, can "look in the camera" and lie. I guess she fits in with the right just perfectly..
Just like Obama altered his indoctrination speech to the public school children, the Senate bill pulled the "non-existent" lines from it's bill regarding the 'death panels'. It's not hard to get the liberals from doing so, they are such push-overs.
Hector Marshall, if you're reading this, your shoes are ready.
Once again, the former governor of Alaska is not familiar with the issues. Terri Schiavo would have greatly benefited form the advanced directives had she initiated one at a young age. Every American should have a living will and durable power of attorney. Since this was initiated by a republican I am surprised she finds fault with the idea - however, her career in government is DNR.
I am watching MSNBC Hardball and I am appalled at Pat Buchanan and his rhetoric. Why do you still have this man on the air? He lies and lies again and makes your so-called network look not only silly, but stupid.

Explain to me why I should continue to tune in to your station to listen to a man who, just last week, wrote that Hitler did not want war.

Have you all lost your minds?
Gee Brad, don't you remember Bill Clinton looking into the camera all those times and lying through his teeth??  I do!  But I guess it only gets your notice when you think a Republican is doing it, hmmm?
Democrats want to kill children and the elderly, and it is our responsibility to get this information out. I have a tingle in my leg, when sarah talks
Well done Sarah Palin. Thank you. So glad someone in the political world is speaking for the vulnerable.  You've certainly exposed this administration's radical agenda clearly.  Finally, the American people are beginning to wake up to the big mistake they made on Nov 4. Hard to find anyone who will admit they voted for BO these days.
Of course Palin submitted a note on Facebook instead of testifying in person.  

Based on the near illiteracy of the written copy of her resignation speech, her Facebook writings are obviously heavily researched and edited by others.

If she testified in person, her nonsensical ramblings would again be highlighted.
It's not hard to get the liberals from doing so, they are such push-overs.
Diaz should concentrate on his states lack of fiscal responsiiblity before picking fights with private citizens.
Gov. Palin through her ignorance of end of life issues will cause many elderly patients to trade a dignified, peaceful death surrounded by family for death with a tube down their throat, their ribs broken from CPR and stripped naked or nearly naked with a room full of strangers standing around them. All this for political gain. Shame on you Governor.
LMAO - this is news??? Let me guess, you G.E.D. graduates wrote this as Van Jones sung:

"At this point. The end of the occupation. The right of return of the Palestinian people. These are critical dividing lines in human rights. We have to be here. No American would put up with an Israeli-style occupation of their hometown for 53 days let alone 54 years. US tax dollars are funding violence against people of color inside the US borders and outside the US borders."

You lost last week - so many American's out of work and you idiots sit high-n-above it all....  Liberals who lie - what next - we can start having Dems arresting Dems?

If you want to start reporting the news - maybe one of you idiots could figure out why the Healthcare reform bill has 10 billion dollars alocated for the Union retirement fund.. is it for reduce health cost; quality of care; access to coverage? But that sounds like work - so keep reporting on Palin.

SIGNED: An un-American(my military service time doesn't count); part of the mob; evil-monger Democrat - who is tired of the MSM thinking it can spoonfeed what it think's the public needs to hear.. Your (MSNBC) silence on Van Jones means you side with Palestinian people.
This is exactly why I am no longer checking in with firstread. Only came to this thread through HuffPost and won't bother again. Your obsession with the snow bunny has become ridiculous. Didn't some of you used to be reporters in the 5th estate sense?
Is it legal for private citizen Palin to sign anything as "Governor Sarah Palin"? It seems to me that she should only be entitled to use the title "Former Governor Sarah Palin".
Palin didn't write this, it was written FOR HER. And THAT is why you don't see her in front of the cameras or the New York Senate. Remember that scene in the Wizard of Oz?

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! I am the Great and Powerful LIAR"
If the great Governer Sarah Palin is as insifgnificant as you suggest, why does her well argued comments get under your skins so much.

Sarah Palin has identified the true agenda of this President and his left wing anti American admiistration. wake you leftist loons and see that this woman is your last chance for salvation.
She is a Quiter plan and simple.  Any one that takes this politian word as reasonable is looking for validation for hating american democracy...
Chandler W:  I have repeatedly ask why Pat butthead Buchanan is still on, he is irritating, non rational, biased. and racist.  I wrote to MSNBC but to no avail!!  They should send him to Alaska to live with Sarah since her and toddy aren't getting along.  My bet is Piper is now pregnant with daddy's baby.  Typically ok per Pat!!!! And FR could you finally after many failed attempts POST THIS
Sure, Sarah Palin wrote that herself.  What wouldn't she appear in person to testify?  Because she has no idea what she's talking about, and needs a ghostwriter to express even her made up BS.

Oh, and "any group of government bureaucrats that makes decisions affecting life or death is essentially a "death panel."  I guess she never got a letter from a Private Insurance Company's "death panel" denying coverage for her or her family?  Considering this is what I do all day, I can tell her that private insurance denials far outweigh Medicare or other government run insurance denials by 20 - 1. Medicare bends over backwards to protect the patient from being billed for over-utilizated services.  Private Insurance doesn't give a crap if the doctor gets paid or not, because they have no jurisdiction over the medical professionals in preventing them from billing pts for denied services.  If Medicare denies reimbursement, theh doctor cannot bill the patient. I have yet to see any Republican address this blatant greed.

Regarding end of life care, who would Sarah Palin rather have make those decisions? Herself, her doctor or her family? Or a judge, lawyer or HAH! Rick Santorum?  
Just like Obama altered his indoctrination speech to the public school children, the Senate bill pulled the "non-existent" lines from it's bill regarding the 'death panels'. It's not hard to get the liberals from doing so, they are such push-overs.
Gloria Bonnett, Alabama

What color is the sky in your delusional universe? I think there were secret mind control phrases in the indoctrination speech -good thing you conservatives stopped him from delivering it.Thanks Gloria  my kids almost became 'socialists' whew! that was close..

Anyone reading the testimony knows that Palin is incapable of writing something of that length.  She so dumb she thinks Sherlock Holmes is a subdivision.  Only the media is dumber for puting her on tv
I thought of suggesting that Sarah go home and take care of her children, until I realized they were probably better off without her around.  EX-Governor Palin, someone needs to explain the facts of life to you. We have more people, with more intelligence in a small Brooklyn neighborhood in New York than the entire state that you Used to represent.  We are not gullible fishermen, we are educated, and  we read, and we think.  You are only showing your ignorance to a smarter group.  Time to just shut up and go away.  I'm a senior citizen, with a living will, and believe me, I don't need the likes of a fool like you to protect me.
There's nothing that stirs up the obamabots more than a beautiful conservative woman that speaks her mind.Enjoy your ride liberals because it's not gonna last.
I agree with Chandler W.'s posting.  I'm boycotting MSNBC, anytime their shows have Pat Buchanan on to offer his comments.  His continued outrageous comments and his recent column about "Hitler", show that he doesn't deserve to be honored as an MSNBC comentator, so keep him off the shows.
Good Lord, please let this woman rest in peace off the shores of Alaska and Russia or some please in between devoid of telecommunications to the point we would not be able to hear from her again....EVER! When I want news, I turn on my local station.  When I want an intelligent perspective on the news, I turn on CNN (Wolfe/Anderson/Suzanne). I know you are MSNBC, but if you have any power PLEASE ask CNN to REMOVE Lou "Spanky" Dobbs - his voice annoys me and he is not too bright - caustic, but not bright.  I cannot wait for Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman to come on. I think they are the BEST. (I am still laughing at Keith's critique last night..."I pooped my pants..." When CNN/Rachel/Keith start to "TALK LOUD and UGLY" I turn on The Golden Girls... Scarborough and Mika are Dumb and Dumber and I watch them for maybe a minute a day to determine who is coming on from administration.  If no one interesting, I turn immediately - I dislike D&D intensely.  I don't like Buchanan (I remember him from when I worked on the Hill), as he is old school racist.
I've worked in healthcare 20+ years specifically in oncology and around end of life issues I have also been a Republican since voting for Ford and as long as Sarah Palin is given any credence as a voice associated with the GOP or conservatism they can count my vote as lost her demogoging this issue for the sake of political expediency and 'look at me' is embarrassing and inexcusable not one thing she cites as 'the truth' comes even remotely close to resembling a 'fact' with regards to the real issue of living wills and end of life issues and HR 3200
Sarah Palin speaks the truth, no nonsense.  Thank you Sarah Palin!!!  Sorry she makes you people so nuts, I don't get it.  She is wonderful.
Palin's a moldy oldy at this point folks.
I'd say she was clueless, but she isn't.  She does this stuff to stay in the headlines so she can demand big speaking engagement fees.  There is a method to her madness and it is "me first" and to heck with the American people.  Just another fear-mongering Republican.  The guy I'm upset with is John McCain for creating a national nightmare.  Thanks a lot, Senator.  
MSNBC,NBC,ABC are on there deathbeds. American's are not as stupid as they think. Here is a novel idea...how about giving us the real factual news and let us decide. No more withholding news or slobbering and taking obvious sides.  
It was almost comical to read Van Jones's (Obama's green czar)comment. He quit because of a smear campaign. Maybe he should call Sarah Palin, she can tell him about REAL smear campaigns.
Sarah Palin speaks the truth, no nonsense.  Thank you Sarah Palin!!!  Sorry she makes you people so nuts, I don't get it.  She is wonderful.
Debbie Mondragon, Denver, CO (Sent Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:44 AM)

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You don't understand it because you think Sarah Palin speaks the truth.  She doesn't and you are not intelligent enough to know that.
You people are pathetic.  You are so blinded by Obama that you follow him blindly.  Be careful, you will reap what you sow.  And remember, you will grow old one day and wonder how in the world I was so dumb and to believe any politian.
The bottom line is why would anyone wnat the governemnt involved in anything we do in our lives.  What ever happened to limited governmant in this country?  The very basic foundations this country was built from.  Provide for the general welfare, we owe it to the elderly and those in need to help them but not control them.
The bottom line is why would anyone wnat the governemnt involved in anything we do in our lives.  What ever happened to limited governmant in this country?  The very basic foundations this country was built from.  Provide for the general welfare, we owe it to the elderly and those in need to help them but not control them.
The bottom line is why would anyone wnat the governemnt involved in anything we do in our lives.  What ever happened to limited governmant in this country?  The very basic foundations this country was built from.  Provide for the general welfare, we owe it to the elderly and those in need to help them but not control them.
"The fact is that any group of government Bureaucrats that makes decisions of life and death is a 'death panel' " Sarah Palin

So FEMA during Katrina was a death panel. Bush and Rumsfeld in creating the Iraq war were a death panel. The govenment officials not putting enough money towards research for Cancer or AIDS are a death panel. The govenment officials not willing to end hunger and poverty in  the US are a death panel. and so on...
Many of Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel writings that are being quoted here are academic discussions of theoretical constructs and not to be taken as his beliefs. Since I work in research and this is totally accurate in that you have academics in their ivory towers discussing theories as food for thought. The title of the article that Palin references is “Principals for Allocation of SCARCE Medical Interventions” The article is specifically referring to SCARCE interventions such as organ transplants and vaccines.

If you look at the breadth of his work you see that for example: A decade ago, when many doctors wanted to legalize euthanasia or physician-assisted suicide, Dr. Emanuel opposed euthanasia throughout his research. He challenged stereotypes of patients expressing interest in euthanasia, and found that patients were not in excruciating pain, but that they were depressed and did not want to be a burden to their loved ones. He is not a co-author of the healthcare bill, as the bill HR 3200 and the other bills are written by congress.

Taken from this link (really good story and gives context to Dr. Emanuels quotes): http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/when-academic-words-become-political-ammunition-.html

“For the prolific Emanuel -- the author of nine books, 11 book chapters, and more than 200 magazine articles – the process is frustrating. He wrote a chapter in Harrison’s Textbook—the main medical textbook—on improving end of life care; edited the end of life care section of UpToDate the main electronic medical textbook; and posited in “The Promise of a Good Death” in Lancet Oncology how doctors need to treat the whole patient and not just symptoms. Medical experts say he’s not known for being cold towards the needs of the dying; quite the opposite.”

The culprit who started this? Betsy Mccaughey. Here’s here op-ed in the NY POST titled “Deadly Doctors". She lies, and misinforms her audience into being very afraid of healthcare reform.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm

She is the same person who led the misinformation campaign to torpedo Health care reform in 1994. She works for the Hudson Institute who is funded by Drug companies, Drug store chains, and biomedical suppliers. She wrote a letter to PHARMA CEO Alan Holmer on Jan. 7th, 2000 where she states “…asking PHAMA to support my work at the Hudson Institute, because my writings on health care policy can make a substantial difference in PUBLIC OPINION and in the nation’s capitol”.

She’s right!! Her deliberate lies and misinformation has been picked up by the right wing echo chamber and Republicans in congress have helped to lead the charge in misinforming the public about Health care reform.

You conservatives who believe this crap are either too ignorant or too lazy to do your own reseaerch.


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