FR: Fix abortion, the bill passes, one Democrat said. Don't fix it, it doesn't.

Odd. Another Democrat said something a little different: Leave abortion in, the bill passes. Take it out, it doesn't.

Enough with the Olympics; it was no more Obama's fault Chicago didn't get the 2016 Olympics than it was George W. Bush's that NY didn't get the 2012 Olympics!! SHEESH!! How dumb!!

Moving on, this Bill will pass; President Obama cannot play politics with this by staying away for fear of what the PundIDIOTS will say!! NEWSFLASH: Beck, Hannity, Rushbo and their ilk will say whatever drools out of their mouths anyway!!

President Obama must stand with the democrats; one thing that has really angered me about HCR is that, in my opinion, President Obama tossed the ball to Congress and has sat on the sidelines!!

Time to get up and get going, President Obama!! This was a core issue during the campaign; it's time that you get into the ballgame!!

>> House Democrats "intend" to bring the health-reform bill to a vote tomorrow <<

I intend to win Powerball tomorrow, so I don't much care what Congress does.

I'm OK with that

Not wild about it
But, let's get this thing passed

--- Also, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is making calls on this. President Obama is supposed to head to the Hill tomorrow to try and wrangle votes.




Because we all know how well those visits worked in Copenhagen, New Jersey, Virginia . . . . .

Fix abortion, the bill passes, one Democrat said. Don't fix it, it doesn't.
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As much as I'm 100% PRO CHOICE...

It was made clear from the beginning that abortions WOULDN'T be COVERED!  So change make the necessary changes and pass the freakin thing already!

If they want to re-visit it, they can do so somewhere down the road! If this is the ONLY thing holding passage up at the time I'm not a very happy Democrat! :0(

At time these idiots are their own worst enemy!

If these members are truly waiting for a yea or nay from the Catholic child abusers, I mean old men...then they should be removed from office.  They have forgotten the oath they took to the Constitution.  If those same old men, I mean child abusers give some kind of permission, the tax exempt status should IMMEDIATELY be removed from the Catholic "church".  Pay to play.  Just like the massive pay off the "Catholic Church" has had to make to all the victims of abuse from these dumb-----.

Life tees them up, and I smack 'em out of the park.  I believe I mentioned this point much earlier today.

Rep. Stupak and other Pro-Life Democrats opposed to this awful bill: stay strong - we are behind the good work that you're doing.    

Do it now or forget your majority.  Every day you delay you look weaker and less capable of doing your jobs.  The GOPers have no idas and everyone knows that for now, but Americans have a very short memory about those things. We voted you in because we wanted you to take action, not to watch you hem and haw about everything because you want to have lifetime employment in the Congress.  Do the right thing and get this done!

"Perhaps the White House doesn't want the perception of a repeat of Copenhagen"...

Domenioco?  How many ways can you spell snarky?

Please...  Don't become FOX...  We need sanity...

Seriously?  Why is abortion in the same realm as healthcare?  Would you hold up a healthcare bill on birth control?  How about sex education?  This is such BS.  

So much for separation of church and state.
And they worried about Kennedy taking orders from the Pope.
 

This is the biggest joke in America.

No insurance company or Medicaid has ever paid for Abortion.

Congress simply includes the language in the bill simply not covered although there is significant language in the Medicaid legislation that is included in every Medicaid Carriers provisions

It's Congress's responsibility to include the already established language in the Medicaid Carrier's provisions but it's also the Medicaid Carrier's responsibility by law to follow all laws reltative to the claims processing process.

It's the government claims processing Administrator responsibility to make sure all abortion claims are excluded, ie, not covered

The physicians actually code the claims for every procedure they perform including abortion.

Once the physician codes the claims with the appropriate CPT procedural code for abortion and submits it to the Medicaid Carrier or Private Carrier the claims are automatically entered into their system and those claims are Denied as not covered charges.

All this talk and waste of Tax payer money about the language for not covering abortion when the government laws already have significant language to exclued abortions as well as Private Carriers is just a stall tactic by anyone using Abortion as a means to stop the Health Care Bill or bow to scare tacticts.

Congress does not I repeat DOES NOT  PROCESS ANY CLAIMS, IT'S THE ADMINISTRATOR'S WHO ARE CHOSEN TO PROCESS ALL CLAIMS FOR ANY TREATMENT WHETHER PRIVATE OR GOVERNMENT THAT IS RESPONSIBILE FOR ENSURING THAT SUCH CLAIMS DO NOT GET PAID

HISTORICALLY THE HEALTH INSURANCE CLAIMS PROCESSING CARRIERS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY ARE GOVERNMENT OR PRIVATE DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF ENSURING THAT THESE CLAIMS ARE DENIED

ADDITIONALLY THESE CLAIMS PROCESSING CARRIERS ALSO CONDUCT ONGOING AUDITS TO FURTHER ENSURE THAT CLAIMS SUCH AS THESE ARE NOT PAID

IT'S SAD THAT THOSE IN CONGRESS WON'T TALK TO MEDICAID OR EVEN PRIVATE INSURANCE CARRIERS WHO PROBABLY WON'T ADMIT THAT THEIR LANGUAGE IS VERY LOOSE HOWEVER, AS LONG AS IT SAYS "NOT COVERED" BOTH CARRIERS DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF DENYING THESE CLAIMS

THIS IS NOT NEW ABORTION CLAIMS HAVE BEEN DENIED HISTORICALLY.

PRIVATE CARRIERS ONLY EXCEPTION IS IF THE ABOUT IS DO TO SPECIFIC MEDICAL REASONS THAT THREATEN THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER

IT'S SAD WATCHING AND THOSE WHO WORK IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY' CLAIMS PROCESSING UNITS WHO PROCESS THESE CLAIMS EVERY DAY AND DENY THEM ARE SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS WONDERING WHATS THE BIG DEAL.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CONGRESS DOES NOT DISCUSS ISSUES WITH THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR CARRYING OUT THEIR LAWS ONCE THEY LEAVE CAPITOL HILL

ONCE AGAIN CONGRESS DOES NOT PROCESS HEALTH CLAIMS, HEALTH INSURANCE CARRIERS DO.

IT'S THE HEALTH INSURANCE CARRIER WHO'S CHOSEN BY THE GOVERNMENT TO PROCESS THE CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT ALL ABORTION CLAIMS ARE DENIED.

PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES "ABORTION LANGUAGE IS VERY SIMPLE, "NOT COVERED CHARGE"

THESE COMPANIES MUST BE LAUGHING THEIR HEADS OFF HAVING CREATED THIS STUMBLING BLOCK FOR THE CONGRESS SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT CONGRESS IS NOT SMART ENOUGH TO EVEN SPEAK TO THE MEDICAID CLAIMS PROCESSING UNITS WHO PROCESS THESE CLAIMS EVERY DAY AND DENY THEM EVERY DAY

THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONGRESS'S FIRST STEP, RATHER THEY LET THOSE WHO CONSTANTLY USE ABORTION AS A WEDGE TO GET WHAT THEY WANT PUT UP THIS SMOKE SCREEN.

EVEN THE ENTIRE MEDIA FAILED TO DO IT'S INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING WHY?

BETTER YET WHY DIDN'T THE MEDIA GET A COPY OF THE SPD (SUMMARY PLAN DESCRIPTION) THAT OUTLINES WHAT'S COVERED AND WHAT'S COVERED FROM BOTH PRIVATE AND MEDICAID HEALTH CLAIMS PROCESSING CARRIERS AND THEN REVEAL THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE TO THE PUBLIC?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the GOP/Conservatives and the ConservaDems the ones so worried about not wanting GOVERNMENT to come BETWEEN US (women!) and our DOCTORS???

This appears to be another delaying tactic.  I wish they would just put the language that is needed in the proposal and stop nit picking.  Abortion should be a personal and religios decision, not a polical one.  Are we moving toward a Taliban type of country?  Where the church is trying to impose their theology and beliefs on the majority of the people?  The next thing these religous extremist will do is bear up arms and fight the government and the people who don't have a voice.  When is there really going to be a separation of Church and State?  Should one religous group be over all of the others?  

Joe Wilson is a jerk.
  LAP DOGS?  At least there is something resembling diversity in the Dem. side...
  Better than being mindless, lock-step 177 SHEEP all voting NO!

Abortion is an elective legal procedure and not part of the health reform bill.  Women should pay for this procedure on their own.  Illegal immigrants should not be entitled to benefit from health care reform - they are illegal after all.  

What ever happened to separation of Church and State? Why are our congressmen waiting on Catholic Bishops' approval of language in a bill?  Religious groups are taking over this country and that is a much bigger threat to the American founder's ideals than any so-called "socialist" agenda the President is being accused of.

Members of Congress are elected to serve all the people in their congressional districts, not just the ones in their own party or of their own religious group.  Why are they favoring their Catholic constituents?

Rep. BOEHNER is wrong. Polls show people DO want reform and most polls show they want a public option.
But if they don't, they certainly NEED it.
And costs need to be more efficient than ER as first stop for primary care. And no one can feel secure with their current insurance.
 A lot of people didn't want blacks or women to have the vote. Some things transcend the popular vote into the realm of what's right in a moral and decent society. WAKE UP and smell the HISTORY.
Americans need healthcare. Americans are dying and going bankrupt without it. Because most of us are fortunate now, is no reason to turn our backs on others. And all of us who are covered?  Well, ya think? So far....

Where are you guys? Not everyone Twitters, you know.
No cable, no First Read. I'm on CNN for pity sakes-and Huff Post and Politico.
Chuck, Dominencio, Mike, Luke...what's up?
Speaker Pelosi must be calling Limbaugh for some Oxy Contin by now. How does she and the president do it.

I guess  " Babs Boehner" lost his bid to ruin America.
We had to throw these OLD KOOTS out of out government.
They only vote for what benifits them ...and now this jack ass is about to send our youth to slaughter.
He is not up for rehire  he didnt end the wars

11/7/09
   11:20 p.m. YESSS!!!

First Read disappears on a night like this? Thank you Mr President and Madame Speaker - and for the Republican from Louisiana

"Many of these members are waiting for a yay or nay from the Conference of Catholic Bishops on the abortion language."

So much for the separation of Church and State.

How does the Vatican fit inot American government exactly?  If you look at the infallible teachings (as in Humanun Genum and De Rerum Modernum and the Syllabus of errors)resting government on the consent of the governed, freedom of conscience, freedom of religion and separation of Vatican and state have all been clearly and repeatedly condemned.  This is even before we get into its official pederasty and sanctioning of imposing baptism over parent's objections.  This is also the country that helped Mengele and Boorman, among several other Nazis find sanctuary and bleesing for what they did during the Holocaust.

Republicans want less goverment more freedom to the people. except woman should not be in control of their own bodies. Let me ask how many Republicans already may have had an abortion.Moving from the north east to midwest l have seen first hand how the gop prays on all the uneducated people in the midwest they live on fear. It's so sad.

This health care bill is pork at it's worst.  There are so many give aways in it that it's sickening.  The only thing that is for sure is that the representatives are looking at the next election cycle.  Increased Medicare/Medicaid funds for some states is typical of the outright bribes that have become the norm in Washington.  The middle class is going to be stuck paying for this while certain corporations from key states get a free ride.  The corrupted process is disgusting.

Oh look at this ladies...more abortion debate.
Being pro-choice DOES NOT MEAN that you're pro-abortion, even though politicians like to state that is the case. I have NEVER MET even one woman who would have an abortion with delight and glee. This isn't a decision any woman would take lightly. I have never had one, I would never have one...that's my CHOICE! This is such a tired old argument.
ALWAYS...the debates on abortion are a thinly veiled case against women's reproductive choices and rights. Usually, the argument is couched in terms of religion, seeming to make the argument that if it weren't for religion, all women would be wanton sex fiends who regularly kill their own babies...and that somehow religion keeps us all from doing that.
Funny, but when you empower girls with knowledge, decency, compassion and honesty, they..somehow...make very good decisions.
"Abortion" has been a political volleyball for far too long, and women's rights pay the price each time it's thrown over the net.

Really??!! This is what would have caused healthcare reform to fail? Really??

I am pro-choice on abortion. However, if I play devil's advocate on whether funding for it should be included for payment in the health bill, I have to point out that it's an OPTIONAL procedure. On my current insurance, I have no coverage for "optional" procedures.  Second, pregancy is NOT an illness. If I go to the plastic surgeon for a nose job, that isnto an illness and not covered by insurance.  Again, I'm pro-choice but many like me still don't like the idea of paying for abortions. It's kind of like my folks used to say "You got yourself into this, now get yourself out."  We are responsible for our actions; we must pay the price for them.

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